Disarm Through Permits, Taxes, and Now Liability Insurance….

Recent movements to require gun owners to carry “liability insurance” are gaining traction.  As this article from Hot Air outlines, the goal is the same..

gun_control(Hot Air)  What to do if the nation fails to fall in line behind new gun grabbing legislation and doesn’t want to put limits on ammo capacity? How about if they rebel against the idea of taxing the heck out of ammo? What if it just seems like there simply isn’t a majority on board with new gun control legislation? Well, if you follow the Obamacare model, you could always consider making extra insurance on weapons technology mandatory.

If you can’t force people to do what you want, force them to buy insurance: That seems to be the strategy of the liberal left in the Obama era. We refer not only to the ObamaCare health-insurance mandate but to the latest bright idea under consideration in mostly Democrat-dominated state capitals.

 

“Democratic lawmakers proposed legislation Tuesday that would require California gun owners to buy liability insurance to cover damages or injuries caused by their weapons,” FoxNews.com reports. The idea isn’t brand new: “Bills have been offered unsuccessfully in Massachusetts and New York since at least 2003,” according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

But the idea has drawn added attention amid the inevitable delirium following a horrific crime involving firearms: “Similar bills have been introduced in other states after the Newtown, Conn., school massacre. They include Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and New York.  (read)

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18 Responses to Disarm Through Permits, Taxes, and Now Liability Insurance….

  1. czarowniczy says:

    While on the force I carried at least$1-million liability as, even when on-duty, you can have an ‘O-Sh*t!’ moment and get your ass sued off. One would think that they’d sue the department and they well might, but in New Orleans the city’s broke, the state constitution forbids plaintiffs from grabbing public property to satisfy a judgment and you can wait ten or more years to get paid – if then – were you to win a suit filed against the city. The plaintiff and his lawyer want $$$. There’s also the chance your boss could decide to cut his losses by throwing you under the bus – yes, it does happen here, as a number of suits against the city by cops who were fired and later exonerated will testify. Off duty you still carry your gun for a number of reasons. My best example is if you encountered Osama bin Laden, fired and a shot missed, grazing a bystander – you’d get sued. I’ve seen perps wounded who’ve obtained lawyers to sue the person who shot them, trying to argue that their crime did not warrant the use of deadly force by the shooter. Use you gun to defend against some clown with a knife an see how long it takes for the assailant to get a lawyer and sue as he had a knife and YOU SHOT HIM! A baseball bat – a piece of pipe – ‘then why didn’t you fire a warning shot, shoot to wound, or just run away?” I still carry liability insurance as I have a CCW and I do not believe that if I’m forced to defend myself or someone else the shootee will say ‘I deserved that.” Got a CCW? Get an umbrella policy or take the chance of seeing the life the assailant failed to take away be taken away by some shyster and twelve people who didn’t have the wherewithal to get out of jury duty.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        I’ve got a great deal through my farm insurer, just a few more here and there, but this is a rural area and rural agents of national firms have a different ‘code’ than more urban ones do – they don’t even ask about my big, mean flesh-eating dogs, it’s part of being rural. Make society a bit more polite out here too.

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    • Sharon says:

      Both the city and our son was sued for $10,000,000, when he was LEO. He answered a call to a residence where citizen had reported via 911 that bad guy was in the house.. DS was the first officer on scene. Door was locked and no answer. DS went around back to look in barred windows. Person 1 flat on his back on the bedroom floor getting the snot beaten out of him by Person 2 who was sitting astride the person, ….Person 1 was having his head busted in by Person 2 whose Beating Weapon was a handgun. DS is yelling at the barred window at gun-toting person “POLICE! andwhatevertheyyell. Beater does not respond. Beater puts barrel of gun to the head of the Beatee, still not responding to DS yells or acknowledging his presence. DS shoots the Beator, who is apparently preparing to kill the Beatee dead.

      Guess what? Turns out Beatee is the bad guy. Beator is the homeowner who had called the PD. So homeowner sues the city and the LEO (him personally) for the $10 mil. He and the city both won their cases and the guy didn’t get a dime. However….the city was squealing like a stuck pig, begging him to settle, and he just kept saying, “No. If you settle, that suggests that you believe I did something wrong.” (Their defense was that he had made all correct decisions and took correct actions; prosecution’s claim was that LEO training was at fault) Freaked them out, he did, because they couldn’t settle without his agreement since he was being personally sued as well.

      Homeowner claimed that since he was the original victim, it was a wrongful shooting. He was being yelled at from 8 feet away through the window and due to his own high adrenaline state could not/did not hear. What the LEO was seeing was an assault in progress with a shooting of a civilian at the hands of another civilian about to occur right in front of him. He had no way of knowing ID of either person and in the situation, who-is-who actually didn’t matter.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        Perfect ‘Oh Sh*t” moment. When we’d roll up on a situation you couldn’t tell who was who or what was going on, innercity crowds are like a Gilbert & Sullivan opera with bad English. For a while back in the 90s it was ‘shoot anyone who doesn’t drop the gun when you say so’. Many times you’d roll up on a fight and by the time you got there, there were more guns being waved around than D-Day. Fights are something else – you can’t tell – as your example – of who’s fighting who and here if it ain’t a gun it’s a club. Department made a decision that if they have any kind of a striking implement and threaten you and do not drop it you are in a position to shoot if you feel necessary and we were specifically told that if you had to shoot you shot to kill, not wound. Too much of a tort and incidental damage danger. Then again at that time we had a real DA who’d go to the mat for us – now if it smells like a political win they’ll toss the officer under the bus before the gun cools.

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        • Sharon says:

          Yeah…DS always said that the one thing they always knew for sure when they rolled up was that at least half the people standing around didn’t want them there. It was an interesting experience my first ride-along with him in the middle of the night when he was the only officer on scene for 4-5 minutes standing between three different individual combatants who all had different interests, shall we say. Before he left the vehicle, he said, “Mom, do not leave the vehicle, no matter what happens over there.” and he showed me which button to push if I needed to say “Officer down.” It’s nice when our sons have our six, and he still has mine, even as he knew that night that in all of my amateur-“backup,” professional-mom status, I had his. God help us, I hope there are a few million more of you, Czar, than we are specifically aware of.

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          • czarowniczy says:

            There are many really conservative and civic-minded officers of all races on PDs across the US. Having worked here and in Florida I can also say there are more than a few racist officers of all races too. I can see what Dorner’s saying – I’m betting he was a bit close to the edge when they hired him and the stuff he said, some of which I believe, pushed him the rest of the way. It’s getting worse as many bad guys from the homegrown as well as the trans-national gangs and cartels are targeting officers’ families as well as the officers. The ones who hold ground and keep fighting day-to-day deserve support and, unfortunately, in a lot of cases they are not getting it from local politicians. From where I worked, especially at the Fed level, I am 100% certain that huge drug trade in the US could not exist without support from massive support at all levels of government, and honest cops are undoubtedly working for crooked politicians somewhere. Best handle the UN could get on international drug proceeds was a few years back and that was $400-billion – UN estimated that when the international economy went south in 2008 the only thing that saved the international banks was the huge flow of illegal drug proceeds. There are many times when a honest cop feels like that friggin’ ram buttin’ that dam.

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            • Sharon says:

              Yup. Your last sentence. He always told us that if he died in some “crossfire” (inner city) to (1) Call “this officer at this home #” and (2) start publicly screaming (appropriately!) about custody/chain of evidence immediately and don’t quit until all the questions are answered. The political gamesmanship was such that most officers assumed that if they died on duty, the lies would begin immediately and would continue (and would win the day) unless somebody was specifically and effectively pushing back from the git-go. He made it plain to us that if he died on duty, we must not take the liberty of 30 days to grieve–but immediately start pushing and demanding data and transcripts. Too many incompetents on the force and too many political angles.

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              • czarowniczy says:

                A lot of the rank during Katrina was not visible – unless you went to the luxury French Quarter hotel where they set up a ‘command post’. A lot of the lower rank were out trying to galvanize the officers as there was no communications – no nothing, despite years of knowing it was going to happen and pointless, endless planning sessions. Soon as the PD was reconstituted the first order was to find a lot of the officers who’d been very visible to national/international press while so much of the rank was couched in comfort in the Quarter and destroy them professionally. For years after the storm (and still to a good extent today) the PD’s morale sucks. Just like any other business it has its hierarchy and bureaucrats. Wanna see how good morale is? Here’s a new NOPD Youtube video someone took the time to make and post. Hitler is Chief Serpas, the NOPD police chief who retired from NOPD once as a deputy chief, went to Washington State where he headed up the State police, I believe it was, and then went to Nashville where he was Chief before the new NOLA mayor was pressed into hiring him back here as chief.

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                • Sharon says:

                  Wow. Excellent morale indeed–not. 😯 Lack of morality in the infrastructure of our cities isn’t turning out so neato-keano, is it. I believe one of our fine Founding Fathers said that a Republic only works as long as there is a working sense of public morality.

                  We could have a new text for the Hitler bit weekly at this point. Somebody should do one of Himself ranting last week after Panetta’s testimony.

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                • czarowniczy says:

                  The folks crying from the mountain tops are being drowned out by fluff originating from the entertainment media, almost as if they are flying cover for the POtuS. Most people I talk to have no idea of, or interest in, what’s going on in the world other than on entertainment TV. I believe the apathy far outweighs the lack of morality – though both may well be connected.

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  2. Bongo says:

    Many of these new proposals are simply ways to force all gun owners to register their weapons by brand, serial number, model and caliber. Once they get a universal registry established, all kinds of new taxation and regulation will result.

    I will never answer questions about gun ownership and I will never register any guns. Since I’m not a hunter and don’t go to shooting ranges, my guns never leave home, except when I go RV’ing.

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    • Sharon says:

      And if the gun owners buy insurance, the State will just demand the info from the insurance companies. Nice.

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      • LHlaredo says:

        That was the point I was trying to make on the blizzard driving bann, someone was arguing that the state has no dominance over them when they issue you a permit, which I totally disagree. Once a state has the authority to issue a permit or license you have basically given your rights to them via acceptance of such “permission” it has gone from being a right to been a privileged and subject to restrictions and conditions. So in these scenario the safety of the public as the say outweigh your individual rights, so now based on you risk factor which rely more on you economic history will determined whether you’ll would qualify to own a gun. So when the “Insurance” declines you the state will be absolved from restricting you 2nd Amendment rights.

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  6. Why the hell does anybody need a permit that tells you when and where you can open carry or conceal carry a weapon? Since we have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, that should render the permit issue as null and void.

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