MH 370 – The Treehouse Theory

The media are clueless, apparently so are Malaysian authorities, so here’s my take:

malaysia flight 370

Malaysian flight 370 was taken by team aligned with Islamist ideology.

The plane was taken for use in a future event.

The Malaysian authorities are: a.) embarrassed by their own security ineptitude, b.) desperate to avoid the appearance of that ineptitude, and c.) unwilling to admit their nation is not compromised entirely of the secular melting pot they espouse to the outside world.   Indeed Malaysia has been yet another nation with internal Islamist conflict despite their diligent efforts to obfuscate in that regard. 

To that end modern Western nations, and their more sophisticated intelligence apparatus, are growing increasingly frustrated with the refusals of the Malaysian authorities to admit the obvious.   The flight was taken, perhaps by Malaysian nationals, with an intent yet undetermined.

A serious amount of planning and logistics would have been needed to pull this off.    Also, a great deal of skill and simultaneous luck would have to align to “disappear” a Boeing 777.

The “takers” would have been aided by surprise and the unexpected.   In the middle of the night a shadow flight is entirely possible through all of the regions being discussed as possible routes.

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The radar capabilities in the Western China region, the ‘stans’ and the mountainous areas of the Northern Middle East are generally archaic, not staffed, and only activated when there is a reason to be looking for something.   A surprise flight with no advanced notification could easily slip through undetected almost to anywhere.

Why would a terror group not claim the event?   Quite simply because they have no desire to outline their intents or draw attention toward themselves.   If they plan to do something with this plane why would they announce they have it.

As a consequence it’s reasonable to assume all the passengers were viewed as immaterial to the event itself.   The goal was not hostage taking and any passenger surfacing would be viewed as a risk to the mission itself being discovered.   So they were most likely killed during the event.   Perhaps while still seated, during a planned decompression and strategic oxygen loss event.

Where is the plane?   It could be in any number of places – concealed, covered, and now available for the next stage of its usefulness.

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Who is the intended target ?   Whoever is viewed as the bigger infidel !!

What say you ?

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149 Responses to MH 370 – The Treehouse Theory

  1. timmysfriend says:

    I think you hit the nail on the head!

    • Major says:

      A carpenter has done that many times.

    • elvischupacabra says:

      Hiding this airplane isn’t that easy. Without a hanger, it’s a sitting duck for a satellite, recon airplane or drone. It’s essentially 200′ x 220′ x 65′. A 777 can’t sit on runways, taxiways or terminal ramp areas that are not stressed to hold a half-million pound airplane. It can’t negotiate turns at most airports that don’t handle wide-body airplanes.

  2. maryfrommarin says:

    Seems quite plausible.

    If so, we’ve just lost a huge margin of safety; because once something has been successfully done, it can be replicated.

    • justfactsplz says:

      That’s true. And here Orlando announced today that they are adding more flights and airlines to the U.S. from the U.K.

  3. auscitizenmom says:

    The way things are, our own government could be involved.

    • taqiyyologist says:

      :(

      The way things are.

    • John Galt says:

      Zero & Crew did give Iran time to produce weapons grade uranium.

      • Junie G says:

        FAR more likely that nuclear material was stolen/purchased by terrorists from the desperate people of the fallen USSR. President Nixon wrote an Open Letter to then President Bush after the fall of the USSR. He was prescient in stating the coming cause of global destabilization was terrorism, and the future asymmetrical warfare. He urged President HW Bush to reach out to Russia, in order to stabilize nuclear stockpiles which could find their way into the hands of terrorists. Nixon gave excellent counsel, and certainly called the future conflict the US would face – but Poppy Bush did nothing. Despite the fall of the USSR, and the fact that Russia is a target of horrific terrorism just as the USA, Israel and UK are – there are forces in our government which have always sought to isolate Russia. (I agree – Russia is in the crosshairs of Islamic terror as much as the US and Israel are.)

        This is just to say – HIGHLY unlikely Iranian nuclear power programs will contribute to the theory that this PERHAPS hijacked plane will be used in a future attack.

        Why the US, Israel as obvious targets, if so? Surely China and Russia and India have more to fear given a hijack-for-future-use-of-plane-for-terror theory.

        My theory (my name is Ann Elk) is that it just APPEARS to have deliberate cause. Nothing fits together. Its just way too crazy a scenario for “deliberate” actions. More likely catastrophic systems failure.

  4. Sentient says:

    Christendom produced virtually every technological development in the last 1,000 years. All the Muslims know how to do is use those technologies to kill people and wreck stuff. How pathetic. And how inferior they must truly feel – to know that the best thing their civilization ever produced was hummus.

    • rovatek says:

      It’s Ironic that you use Arabic numerals in a rant about “inferior” Muslims.

      • Really? That’s irony? The Ummah produced the symbols that we still use today for our base-10 numerical system, a method of typographical design.

        I’m. even after long years of reading, still somewhat unclear on the concept of irony.

        I would almost wager my left eye that Muslims’ “Arabic” numerals (typographical designs for a pre-existing base-10 numerical system) were either purloined and cribbed from a conquered culture, or predated Mohammed.

        They also claim they invented glass. The Greeks did. The Muslims stole credit, after conquering the Greeks.

        Is it irony when they claim they invented the Zero, and that they also want there to be Zero infidels alive? Nah, just coincidence.

        It MAY be irony that our preezy is nicknamed Zero.

      • Sentient says:

        First of all, the Hindu-Arabic numeral system was invented before the birth of the prophet of Islam. Second, while the West produced the printing press, the battery, the generator, the electric lightbulb, the steam engine, the electric motor, the internal combustion engine, the automobile, the airplane, the telegraph, the telephone, radio, television, refrigeration, rocketry, geosynchronous satellites, the computer, the internet and the green revolution, the Muslims sat around sharpening their scimitars and bragging that they’d invented the zero.

        • JudgyOnAWebsite says:

          This why I find the whole premise of the new gripe of “cultural appropriation” so infuriating. In accordance with other “laws” decreed by the PC and professionally aggrieved crowd, THEY are allowed to cite countless examples of, and endlessly lament about how Whitey is “stealing” by learning to belly dance/ sing soul or R & B music/ do the hula/ paint henna tattoos, or by wearing bindis/ saris/ cheongsams/ kimonos/ headdresses/ etc., all while they sit, clad in blue jeans and tee-shirt, listening to country or pop music on American-brand headphones, typing how awful “WE” are into an “Al-Gore-invented” Internet blog, while using a computer designed by also-American Steve Jobs!The newest weapons of the Left are the terms “cultural appropriation”, and the even dumber “micro-aggression”, I suspect this is because their beloved stand-by, “racist”, is finally ceasing to have the desired effect. I would warn everyone not to fall for this crap, but am constantly blown away by the wisdom of the commenters on this site. Y’all do NOT need my advice!

        • radish says:

          the Hindu-Arabic numeral system was invented before the birth of the prophet of Islam

          It was all downhill after that.

      • Fun Fact: Arabic numerals are actually Indian numerals.

        • rovatek says:

          If you want to be technical they are Indo-Arabic Numerals. The numeric system originated in India but the script is of Arabic origin. And it was Muslims who developed the system into modern mathematics that we still use today.

          • Sentient says:

            And then took the next thousand years off to sharpen their scimitars.

          • Excuse me…our base 10 numeric system was invented in approximately 3100 B.C….your precious mohamet was born in 570 a.d. He was a tich late for the party. Arabs were around a whole lot longer than mohamet, please see Biblical passages in Genesis regarding Ishmael. I”m sure there are corresponding passages in your holy book that say Arabs didn’t fall out of the sky the day mohamet was born. That was later.

            • radish says:

              Arabs didn’t fall out of the sky the day mohamet was born. A picture tells a thousand words! The Arabic theory also claims mathematics did fall out of the sky with him, never-minding that math is a concept — not an invention owned by any one populace.

        • elvischupacabra says:

          Elizabeth Warren will no doubt claim partial credit.

      • ZurichMike says:

        It’s ironic that such a “superior” culture failed — it was culture that preyed on the successes of others, not a creator or original thought and value.

      • radish says:

        Except that Arabs were not to a great extent muslims back in the day. Arabs today are not all muslims, and would be more so if not for the conquering Islamist theme via terrorism and fear. Malaysians were preponderantly non-muslims much like India and Pakistan too, back in the day. I admit my ignorance realizing due to the Malaysian Airline hijack that Islam has succeeded in dominating a large majority of Asian countries with the exception of probably China. Hence, the terrorism against Chinese passengers. Islam has amassed great majorities at the expense of every religion on earth from Hinduism to Buddhism to Christianity and Judaism.

  5. labrat says:

    A serious amount of planning and logistics would have been needed to pull this off. Also, a great deal of skill and simultaneous luck would have to align to “disappear” a Boeing 777.

    ^this

    I can’t wrap my brain around the logistics. The resources and personnel required make me tend to think these theories are implausible. My gut tells me this plane is deep in the Southern Indian Ocean, another case of “workplace violence”.

  6. justfactsplz says:

    I agree with your theory. I have thought all along it was taken for future use, perhaps to carry a nuclear weapon. I believe Iran has it and the intended target is Israel or possibly the U.S. If North Korea somehow got their hands on it, then we would be the target. Probably as soon as that thing landed it was painted or covered with camouflage. I think the passengers are most likely dead as no ransom has been demanded. So much attention on this first phase. The second phase and journey of this plane will be devastating if it is not found. I still think the plane was given extra fuel before takeoff. Intelligence collection is crucial at this point. Sooner or later somebody will talk that knows things. Airports in the whole region should check and see if they have any pilots that have not shown up for flights in case it wasn’t the plane’s pilot that took it over.

    • Both of you seem to have come up with a plausible theory. It would take the sophistication of the people in a country like Iran to carry this out. Not sure about Pakistan, my first choice. Adding to my suspicion? Most commentators are saying their “gut” feeling is that the plane is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

      • justfactsplz says:

        The media and their gut feelings is something I don’t put too much stock in either. I first thought Pakistan also because of it’s location. They are protesting a little loudly that no it’s not there. Iran has the capabilities.

    • Junie G says:

      But Iran has its own planes. Why steal one from Malaysia? Makes no sense.

    • Polk8dot says:

      @ ‘I still think the plane was given extra fuel before takeoff’
      According to Boeing, the Basic Max fuel load is 47,890 U.S. gallons (181,280 L).
      With three optional fuel tanks (inside cargo bay, replacing 6 LD-3 containers) it goes up to 53,515 U.S. gallons (202,570 L).
      That gives it a flight range of 9,395 nautical miles (17,395 km) – Approx. 19 hours flying time.
      For instance (depending on wind and fuel consumption):
      New York, NY – Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia approx. 20hrs
      Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – New Delhi, India approx. 4hrs 45min
      Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – Sydney, Australia approx. 15hrs

      With such flight potential it is easy to see that the current search vector ending near Delhi, India is completely inadequate. The plane can actually have flown another 3x that distance. Basically meaning that unless ‘they’ (whoever ‘they’ are) want us to find it, we never will. It is just not humanly possible. Earth’s Circumference at the Equator is 24,901.55 miles (40,075.16 km). With max fuel load the 777-200 can make it almost halfway around the planet Non-STOP! (or approx. 0.44 Earth’s circumference).
      After that flight, on full fuel load – this plane can be pretty much anywhere.

  7. afghanvet18f says:

    One possible target could be Diego Garcia, or possibly an aircraft carrier, esp if it is going to a port or even at a choke point like the Straights of Malacca. Who knows?

    • justfactsplz says:

      Those are both possible. However, terrorists seem to favor mass civilian deaths.

      • radish says:

        Yes, the passengers were not incidental, they were part of the terrorist plan to kill Chinese passengers. Islam has taken hold of Europe and the USA. They’ve advanced quickly, scarily, strategically, in 5 years with Barack choking the US military and economic juggernaut, towards China and next will be Russia. Two of the largest populous countries. You cannot fight terrorism, especially one that’s winning, with milk and cookies.

    • elvischupacabra says:

      Remember that the US Navy Aegis cruiser, USS Vincennes, splashed an Iranian A300 that was making threatening moves on US ships. It has two chances of getting close to a carrier: slim and none.

  8. Rachelle says:

    I agree with your view. I think the Israeli government [which is 10 times smarter than ours] has come to the same conclusion and is preparing for a possible attack using this plane.

    The only way the US will prepare is if someone warns us that the plane is going to target Obama’s favorite golf course.

    • justfactsplz says:

      CNN just announced Israel on high alert concerning this plane. They have a longer list of steps in security steps to identify incoming planes. These steps are not being revealed.

      • John Galt says:

        Step 1: contact and verify identity of every incoming plane.

        Step 2: shoot down any unverified planes

        • ctdar says:

          I wonder if sr pilots flying into certain airspace are given a “code of the day” type term that can be asked anytime while they are enroute.

        • justfactsplz says:

          That’s all the steps they need. I love step 2.

        • Stormy says:

          I hope these were not stuxnet type steps that our central committee was told about in confidence, not to be repeated…

          • radish says:

            Barack has never worn emperor’s clothes to those who can see right through him. His agenda was always clear. Pretending to bumble along giving out secrets and murdering Americans is the epitomy of evil.

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  10. Abagail says:

    Since I was hunting for a old thread where I’d asked TundraPA a question I thought it would be interesting to look for my posts on this subject. I can’t find the last one, but in was in an exchange with LJP and I said I thought Israel would be the target. Here’s the preceding posts and I still think the same way.

    Abagail says:
    March 12, 2014 at 5:05 pm
    I’m back to my original gut feeling that the plane was stolen. Training for this exercise was done utilizing the pilots home Boeing 777 simulator.
    Until evidence to contradict my theory is presented, I’m sticking with it.
    Abagail says:
    March 13, 2014 at 12:12 am
    “There is no conceivable way that I see anyone being able to pull that trick off.. Think of the implications if someone has been able to do this. To what end? Surely, if nefarious forces were at play, there would be some demand, some indication at this point. ”
    This sounds like a hostage scenario, and if the plan was stolen, I don’t think passengers would be kept alive. My thoughts were running towards the plane being stolen and flown to an Islamic state for future use as a means of transporting a weapon. I know it sounds crazy…..
    It seems highly improbable that if it crashed, it has not been located after all these days. I just don’t believe this was a true accident.

  11. I guess the target would have to be within 1 fuel load of its current location. Israel?

  12. Sam says:

    The way I see it there are two possibilities about this plane: 1. It was diverted and will next show up with new markings and new transponder as a terrorist weapon of mass destruction, or 2. It’s at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. In either case, the passengers are not among the living anymore. Malaysia is a third world nation as are many in that region and their military and gear are not up to 1st world standards so it’s not surprising that the news coming out of the investigation has been so random and hapless.

    • radish says:

      I could not sleep last night, with the revelation that Malaysia and other countries are fast approaching wholly muslim now. Their investigation is not random and hapless. The witch doctor was a distraction. The Chinese families had a right to be angry because they KNOW games were being played. The Chapter has turned on a new page, when external hijackers are no longer to blame for the death of 230 innocent passengers. It is now the muslim pilot and co-pilot who simply take over the plane, and the muslim government cooperates to hide the evil deed. Cannot sleep. Could not sleep.

  13. JAS says:

    I agree with this scenario to an extent. The decompression thing as a tool to murder the passengers I don’t. Decompression, even a gradual one is dangerous for all aboard, and the passenger masks deploy automatically.

    For this to work there had to be more than one person working on the plane’s flight, and many more on the ground. You would have to find an airfield that is long and strong enough, either vacant or lightly manned and with lots of people on the ground to help with hiding the plane, the passengers, etc. The country would have to be low tech enough the get the plane in without suspicion or radar intercepts.

    I would look closer to the first event, someplace like Burma for example.

    • dws says:

      An anesthesiologist friend of mine thought whatever the Russians used for the Moscow theater would be the most effective way to disable the passengers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_hostage_crisis_chemical_agent

    • JAS says:

      The logistics involved in getting a plane such as this turned around and flight ready, to be used as a weapon are not within the capabilities of a terrorist group for many reasons. The refueling is massive, a long enough runway for takeoff is needed, and on and on. They would need the full support of the country where they put it down. I therefore believe that to also be a low probability scenario as it would make it an act of war, not a terrorist event.

    • Steven says:

      I suspect they may not need to decompress the cabin – with reports the plane flew at 5,000 feet, I would think it would be feasible to dump the cargo hold below, and send passengers out the same way. This would also I would think extend flight time with less weight to push and hold up.

      Not a pleasant theory to be sure. It would also provide false positives if searchers did find a suitcase or something else floating in the ocean, adding further confusion and perhaps not raising defensive alarms. Since nothing has been found this additional benefit doesn’t pan out, but extending flight time would be a key benefit.

  14. mung says:

    The shadow theory seems very plausible to me.

  15. John Galt says:

    “U.S. officials have suggested recently that the likeliest fate of flight 370 was a crash into the Indian Ocean.”

    Why would experienced political fanatic expert pilot who wore tee shirt with political statement and attended trial of political figure want to secretly crash plane into the Indian Ocean? This official story line does not make sense.

    More is known than what is reported. Emails and phone calls associated with the pilots have probably been analyzed.

    • stella says:

      Another scenario is that he was turning the plane around to crash it into one of those tall buildings in Kuala Lumpur. He was angry at the government (t-shirt), and a crash into one of those huge skyscrapers would be a heck of a way to make his political statement.

      • rovatek says:

        That still begs the question of what happened to the plane. Was it perhaps shot down and the search is merely a ruse to avoid the embarrassment of killing a plane full of multinational civilians?

        • stella says:

          Don’t know. If it was in the air as long as some reports say, the return to Kuala Lumpur may not fit at all.

  16. Daniel says:

    Muslims are getting a really really bad reputation. They don’t want to add to it. Also, Malaysia is not only a muslim country, but an asian one. Asians are famous for keeping the facts close and hidden as they are “careful not to say too much,”

    • maryfrommarin says:

      Muslims are getting a really really bad reputation. They don’t want to add to it. I have to disagree with you.

      The ideological-type of Muslims who would commit an act like this don’t try to avoid adding to a “bad reputation”. The opposite is more likely.

  17. dws says:

    Although I don’t underestimate the cruelty of the Islamists, I do question whether they have the mental capacity to pull off a caper like this without significant outside help.

    • Dead Dog Bounce says:

      Think: guided missile.

      And for once I disagree with Sundance: I’d be more worried about a nuke than explosives. Israel are rightly concerned. So should the US.

    • “Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
      ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
      “Never underestimate your enemy.”
      — Jo McIntyre, TheWanderingJo

    • Wizzum says:

      I work with several Middle Eastern and Asian (Malay and others) Geophysicists. I can assure you they are smart enough.

  18. sundance says:

    How could it (the plane) be used ?

    With a full load of fuel the plane becomes intercontinental. Meaning it could fly just about anywhere within a 19 hour flight radius – 9,395 nautical miles (17,395 km)

    Typical flight/city pairing:
    New York-Singapore
    Perth – London
    New York – Auckland
    Chicago – Sydney
    Miami – Taipei
    (Approx. 19 hours)

    http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.page

    It could be used to replace, or shadow, a regularly scheduled trans oceanic flight. Meaning it could mimic any flight anywhere. If the originating flight was intentionally crashed (explosion) mid-flight, the MH-370 could replace it’s signature and fly into a destination, any destination, as if it were he originating flight.

    OR, it could just “stay dark”, not identify, and shadow another Transcontinental flight (above and behind) into a destination.

    It could carry 5,330 cubic feet of explosives. Or with a full fuel load around 300,000 to 400,000 pounds of TNT-type detonation.

    • KPM58 says:

      The plane could be used to make a rather large thermobaric weapon. No radioactive signature to detect.

    • JAS says:

      Shadowing another flight is extremely difficult. I have done tight formation flying in single engine light aircraft, the kind you would need to merge two radar returns, and it requires so much concentration it is exhausting. Not something you want to do for hours on end. Agile small aircraft like fighters make the task much easier because they are infinitely more responsive than jumbo jets. Large aircraft have to fight tons of inertia and so are not the best thing to fly in tight formation. But even in small aircraft it still takes many hours of practice and communication.

      Large aircraft are not really made to be flown by hand, or without computer aid. Computer aid depends on a lot of instruments that would have to be turned off for manual flight and stealth.

      The way to do it would be at night because daylight visibility would be negated. Formation flights at night are even riskier and heavily depend on practiced alignments with very dim lights on the aircraft.

      Then there is weather. In any kind of weather the visibility is reduced and makes the enterprise even more dangerous. In fighter aircraft the trick is get even tighter in formation, not possible with large jumbo jets.

      Then there’s the problem with collision avoidance lighting systems, strobe lights. These are incredibly bright and not suitable at all for formation flying. The shadowed aircraft would have them on, literally blinding the shadowing pilot.

      Then even though you might know the shadowed plane’s flight path you can never anticipate exactly when they are going to execute an altitude or heading change. That alone is potentially catastrophic.

      Shadowing to me is another low probability scenario.

      • taqiyyologist says:

        And I’m starting to think this thread may need to go into stealth mode.

        The wrong sorts of folks could learn a lot reading “possible scenario” chatter like this.

        Just sayin’.

      • mung says:

        But how exact would it have to be? If they were not paying that close attention to the radar, and if their equipment isn’t the best, might it be common for some artifacts in the screen? How about the possibility of double doppler giving back ghost returns and the people watching the radar being used to that?

        • JAS says:

          Excellent question. Like you said there are factors involved, size of targets, distance from the RADAR, signal quality and on and on. That said, there is a math formula for this, I just can’t remember the particulars. Two merge two radar targets it has to do with a function of the size vs distance between the two targets and the distance from the antennae. In a normal RADAR environment merged signals would indicate a probable collision so, they have to be really close.

      • JeremyR says:

        If the flight were transatlantic, or such, they would only need to shadow for an hour or two as they neared the coast. Also, given the number of flights at any given time in any given hub, it would be possible to shadow with out getting that close. they are not looking for it, so a double blip might be undetcted.

    • elvischupacabra says:

      Keep in mind that no aircraft can carry a full payload and a full fuel load. As the payload is increased, the fuel weight must be decreased. The maximum gross take-off weight of a 777 is around 650K pounds. A full fuel load cuts the payload to about 65K.

  19. Chance says:

    There were two radical muslim’s in control of the fight deck and at least two other operatives/accomplices who boarded the aircraft with stolen passports. The bad guys had complete control of this aircraft the moment it left the ground!

    Pilots bid there trips (choose which trips they want, which are then assigned by seniority), so it would be fairly easy for these two pilots to sync their schedules. And they would know in advance, possibly up to as much as a month in advance which flights they had together.

    Beyond that, you just need a remote place to hid an aircraft. In that part of the world that’s pretty easy to come by. Bribes and payoff’s are the norm for many so-called officials, most of whom are probably sympathetic to the radical muslim cause anyway.

    And to those who think this plot is too complicated, improbable or inhuman, you have no idea of what goes on in that part of the world. In a place where you can buy a human being for a few hundred dollars cash, killing the passengers wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow.

    And last but not least, we know for a fact that there are several of the Soviets’ so-called nuclear suitcases unaccounted for. An airliner would be able to avoid the ground radiation detection methods we employ at our boarders and points of entry. Can you say, “Mushroom Cloud” over Washington D.C.?

    • taqiyyologist says:

      And to those who think this plot is too complicated, improbable or inhuman, you have no idea of what goes on in that part of the world. In a place where you can buy a human being for a few hundred dollars cash, killing the passengers wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow.

      EITHER version of the 9/11 explanations is FAR more complex than this. “Inside Job” and “19 Hijackers” are both mind-numbingly more complex than this.

      After JFK, after 9/11, after TWA-800, and after Sandy Hook, there is nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that would surprise me, short of the alien invasion from the original “V” miniseries.

      • taqiyyologist says:

        Neither one of those versions of the events of 9/11 seem to stand a chance at success.

        The government itself hijacking four airliners, flying them into a field, the Pentagon, and the Twin Towers, after first going through all the WTC buildings, with nobody seein’ nothin’, planting explosives in all of them, just to profit somehow.

        Versus

        Nineteen Saudis attend flight school to learn how to fly, but not how to take off or land, like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day just wanting lesson number 23 in piano (we can surmise). They all work for Osama bin Laden, but really for The Dread God Ba’al, and they all manage to steal four airliners with box-cutters. In the Home of the Brave.

        Think about that.

        Yet, it happened. Sundance’s scenario is SMALL BEANS, in terms of complexity.

        • ctdar says:

          Family members wintered in Venice FL around the time the terrorists were taking their aviation lessons…less than a few miles from their condo. :(

      • Diana S says:

        Loved both “V” series shows! With the flight 370 situation, there is not enough info and too many talking heads.

        • taqiyyologist says:

          As a kid, I made models of the shuttles out of cardboard, complete with their weird alien markings. :nerd:

  20. KPM58 says:

    Well you are going to need an airstrip big enough. A sheltered place to hide and make changes to the plane and the equipment to do that. A big hole to put the removed contents from the plane. Housing for the people doing the work. And all that would have been already in place. You are also going to need some place where the locals do not talk to outsiders.
    Thailand? Drug trade facilities? Maybe the DEA should be asked about possible old sites.

    • sundance says:

      Nope – IRAN !

      The Passports of the two Iranian’s were used before to get into China. Why does this matter? Because it shows the holder of the passport(s) were not just trying to get to Europe as originally espoused.

      Stolen Passports Used by Iranians on Flight #MH370 Were Used Before –
      http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-stolen-passports-malaysia-flight-20140317,0,6620266.story#axzz2wFgU1bpk

      What does this mean. It gives further weight to a state sponsor assisting the entire plan. That state would be IRAN !

      If the passports were originally used to gain entry visa to China under false pretenses a year ago – now you have the trail of the plan origin.

      This changes the entire argument of “they couldn’t” to “oh, yes they could”. Getting to Iran is entirely possible if you follow the arc of the shadow flight. Once in Iran all things become possible.

      ….. including the intention of the plane itself as a transportation device for a nuke.

      • sundance says:

        Also explains why the Chinese are LIVID right now:

        …” China blasted Malaysian officials today for their bungled investigation of missing flight MH370 “….

      • Stormy says:

        Wow. The passports had been used before for two people attempting to fly to China from Kuala Lumpur ?

  21. tomaig says:

    From the Wikipedia article on the Boeing 777:
    ” The 777-200LR is the world’s longest-range airliner and can fly more than halfway around the globe; it holds the record for the longest distance flown non-stop by a commercial aircraft…”

    From the NY Times article that the wiki article references:
    “The plane, the Boeing 777-200LR, departed from Hong Kong at 10:30 p.m. and landed in London at 1:12 p.m., after air traffic controllers at Heathrow Airport kept the airplane briefly in a holding pattern.
    The 777-200LR entered the Guinness Book of Records covering 11,664 nautical miles from Hong Kong to London — or 13,422 statute miles as the earth-bound measure it.”

    So once this thing is filled with fuel, it could easily reach anywhere in Europe or Israel or even the East Coast.

    Very worrisome…

    • safvet says:

      You would also need a few other necessary items:
      * A qualified flight crew. Taking one of these things off is a lot more demanding that just taking it over in flight and steering it into a building. Of course, the Malaysian crew could be in on it, but I wonder if Iran Air also has 777s?
      * Ground support technicians, unless they managed to land it undamaged and in good working order – if so, then the crew could just light up the APU and they’re on their way.
      * Fuel (a lot), with fueling equipment that is compatible with the “single-point refueling” equipment on a 777.

      If you’re not carrying much weight as passengers/cargo, a full fuel load would get you a very long way…

      • mung says:

        If the pilot was flying it, he could have landed it. If you can steal a plane, you can steal a tanker to fill it up with.

    • tpg says:

      Just for clarification, the aircraft was a 777-200ER (Extended Range) not the LR (Long Range) model. Range of 7725 NM versus 9380 NM. Still enough reach to fly to North America.

    • elvischupacabra says:

      No… the data you’re looking at is for the LR and not the ER. The 777-200ER is what is missing.

  22. mcguffin says:

    Freakin’ terrifying.

  23. taqiyyologist says:

    SD, your scenario is the one I guessed on day two. Pretty much every bit of it.

    Right-o-sphere readers tend to “guess” correctly about a lot of things.

    Death Panels.
    Name-that-Party
    Name-that-Ethnicity.
    Keep your Doctor.

    And we tend to do so way before these things become widely known by the MSM.

    They guess it according to their wishes. “The Bomber was probably a TEA Partier!”

    We don’t, although they ascribe that motivation to us. “They just WANTED it to be a Muslim!”

    (or “a Black Guy!” or “a Democrat!”)

    No, I want Muslims to stop doing this crap, and MSM reporters to stop helping them, by not being good reporters, out of abject cowardice.

  24. Kairn says:

    In my estimation I believe MH 370 is currently located somewhere in Iran. Yes, with the collusion of the Iranian government. It landed and was promptly driven in to some kind of specifically built shelter for this purpose:

    To be loaded with a fully functioning atomic bomb. Perhaps two (fail safe). It may or may not be repainted depending on the end game plan for this plane. I tend to think it isn’t being repainted and here is why:

    This plane is being transformed into a flying “Hot Potato”. Once these evil bastards are done with their ground work and after this plane is back up in the air and has cleared Iranian airspace, they will announce to the whole world that the plane is in the air and that it is now a seriously deadly weapon. I’m sure they have an exact target they will be directly flying to. But since the plane has been made in to a “Hot Potato” they will be just as happy to have the nuclear blast happen anywhere outside of Iranian airspace.

    And that blast will happen whether the evil bastards make it so or whether any given nation with the ability to launch a missile at MH 370 can intercept it and destroy it. But that means any given nation will have to make the decision to explode this “Hot Potato” over their neighboring nation or to explode it over their own nation. There will be no scrambling of military jets to escort flight MH 370 away from populated areas. The jihadists flying this hot potato will not be intimidated in any fashion to abort their mission. And there will be humans piloting this plane. For a dedicated jihadist, this is like the biggest muslim martyrdom wet dream they could ever hope to make real for their allah.

    This mission will be a successful jihadi accomplishment whether the nuclear bomb goes off in EMP fashion or whether it goes off in a Hiroshima-type blast. And whether it winds up exploding over some other nation besides the primary target, matters not. Because this is about destroying infidels first and foremost. No matter where the infidels are. It doesn’t matter whether the jihadi pilots activate the bomb(s) or whether a defensively launched missile explodes it over who knows what land mass. Or whether the plane crash lands for what ever reason. The muslims will obviously view any of these scenarios as a win win.

    I’m telling you folks, there is no time like the present to get yourselves right with God and start praying like there really and truly is no tomorrow. Pray to God with all your might that He intercede on behalf of God-fearing humanity and foil this plot before this plane can move even one inch towards the runway for take off.

    • maryfrommarin says:

      I’ll echo that last paragraph for sure.

      • rovatek says:

        I’m worried this might end up being another Flight 19 or Amelia Earhart but a mystery is certainly preferable to these other possibilities.

    • ctdar says:

      To get to Iran, wouldn’t they have had to refuel somewhere?

      • tpg says:

        Not if the 777-200ER was loaded with more fuel than it was supposed to have. Which, if they did pull off a plane theft, would be the least of their worries.

        • ctdar says:

          but the fuel amount would be filled and recorded for original flight to China. The weight has to mesh with the a full plane load also. Too many moving parts to overfill fuel tanks? I thought from previous maps it was estimated that it might reach border of India/pakistan as it was even after using up some fuel on original trajectory up til just outside vietnam airspace.

        • safvet says:

          A few things about airliner fuel loads. First, airlines typically only load as much fuel as is required for the intended flight, plus some reserves for a missed approach at the destination end, plus enough to fly to an alternate field, plus some other minimum amount that is by policy of the airline. Why carry more weight than necessary? However, with many airlines, the Captain of the flight has the authority to request more than the “minimum” fuel load – justifications could be anticipated bad weather, etc., or just because he wants to.

          In this case, in order for the 777 to make the distance to Iran non-stop with a load of passengers, etc, they would have to have flown at very efficient altitudes. Flying low for a while will dramatically increase range. That’s why I’m skeptical about reports of the plane descending to nap-of-the-earth altitudes to avoid radar while crossing Malaysia. Remember also that flying westbound puts them at a disadvantage from the prevailing winds.

          • elvischupacabra says:

            Yeah… I agree. Also, any fuel increase has to be cleared with a dispatcher. Otherwise, no fuel slip is created for the fueling agency to use. The dispatcher would then file an amended release at the higher weight. Otherwise, the 777 might suffer a “green band” indication due to the higher, non-documented weight.

            Really, if you’re going to pull a stunt like this with an airplane, the 777 is a BAD airplane to use, because it has so much “smart” technology built-in.

    • The Tundra PA says:

      Occam’s Razor. I think you are right, kairn. God help us all.

  25. justafly says:

    My theory is that there was something in the cargo hold, which is why we are not being told about the cargo, that was of significant interest. Maybe weapons like electronic warfare super spy James Bond stuff, and/or engineers who built the Tony Stark Industries stuff. Or maybe just some gold?

    Could a government secret squirrel type have diverted this plane containing some of that Stark Industries stuff being secretly shipped to Beijing?

    The airplane to missile theory could be the case, but logistically to turn around the plane in preparation may include reprogramming the data signals to send a different/ bogus/ friendly signal. (This is just a guess from a guy still running at 33-1/3.)

  26. Ad rem says:

    Then…..there’s always my theory….
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  27. Kairn says:

    This is also in my estimation:
    The evil jihadi bastards needed a long distance plane to fly from Malaysia to Iran without a refueling stop. Thus the choice of a 777. Once they made it to Malacca Strait they flew the the remainder of the distance over open water to elude detection. I believe they flew under the southern end of Sri Lanka and then over the Arabian Sea directly into Iran. Since this is an Iranian sanctioned and sponsored deed, the plane was landed just about anywhere within Iran’s borders. The big question is, where? This location needs to be pinpointed ASAP and this jet and nearby facilities neutralized before this jet can take off with its horrible payload.

    I am thinking they aren’t interested in long range fuel consumption for the next stage of this dastardly plot because they plan to take to the air with nukes on board and point the plane directly at Israel. Shortly before the plane leaves Iranian airspace, they will announce to the world where the plane is, where it is headed and what is on board. Israel will soon be making the most difficult and horrific decisions on very short notice it has ever had to make. The whole weight of the world will be on their shoulders. It will be a damned if they do and damned if they don’t scenario.

    This is gut wrenching. Please pray for Israel. Pray for her safety. Pray that Israel will be shown by God how to deal with this horror. Pray for God to reveal where this plane is located in Iran before it can fly again. THIS PLANE CANNOT FLY AGAIN!!!! Pray, pray, pray people!!!!

  28. CrankyinAZ says:

    You guys here aren’t helping me sleep! Yep… I agree with Sundance… I’ve thought this was the endgame, almost since the second day. (Though my family tells me to adjust my tin-foil hat… *sigh*)

    Just a thought… who’s to say how much fuel was put in the plane? Was it enough to get to Bejing? Or was someone on the ground-crew in on it, and put more fuel in the plane … say enough to get to Iran? This was obviously a well thought out plan… wouldn’t that be part of it? Has anyone figured out how long it would take to fly to Iran from the last known position of the plane? Would it be about 7 1/2 hours?

  29. ZurichMike says:

    Suggestions that the jet flew at low altitudes to avoid radar — doesn’t that chew up a lot of fuel?

    • sundance says:

      I don’t think the Himalayas are that low. Over open water there is no radar so they would only need to consider the benefits of altitude over land (and the land they would be crossing is equipped with 1940’s – 50’s era tracking). Maybe that’s what the China recon was about? :(

      Former CIA analyst Robert Baer has repeatedly said it would be a no-brainer to fly undetected….. and my military peeps confirm it’s easy peasy. Just like we flew hundreds of miles undetected directly into Pakistan to get OBL. And think about all our drone flights. When no-one has a heads up no-one’s looking for anything around their path so there’s no actual concern about getting caught….

      • ZurichMike says:

        Hmmmm. If no need to fly low over water, and vintage radar in the “stan” countries, then yes, jet could have made it to Iran, no?

        I’m thinking a “horseshoes” scenario — close enough counts, too: load the jet with a device, and sent it kareening toward Jerusalem or Baghdad — with an Iranian airforce escort — and detonate over or near target sufficient to do major damage. Baghdad is a thought — perennial enemy and Western (to a degree). Not sure Iran would want to temp total retaliatory obliteration by Israel if Jerusalem is attacked.

        I read too much Tom Clancey.

  30. radish says:

    The flight time from Malaysia to Iran is roughly
    7 to 8 hours depending on flight speed

    BINGO!

  31. radish says:

    The 777-200ER costs between US$205.5-231.0 million. Answer to why terrorists would use some other country’s airplane?

    From Business Insider

    Here’s What It Would Take To Steal A Boeing 777

    There’s no telling why someone would want to make off with a plane with 239 souls aboard. But if you did want to try, it’s at least physically possible to succeed. Here’s how you’d go about it.

    – Kill or incapacitate your fellow pilot. “We have a deadbolt on the inside of the cockpit door,” says Rich Solan, who flies 777-200s for American Airlines.

    – Wait until you’re over a region with poor radar coverage, then turn off your transponder, ADS-B, and ACARS. As I wrote on Slate previously, there’s a small stretch of MH370’s regular route, midway between Malaysia and Vietnam, that fits the bill. And this happens to be where the flight vanished.

    – Turn and dive for the deck. Radar coverage gets worse the lower you go, so if you want to stay off primary radar, you’ll fly as low as possible. There’s a drawback to this strategy, however: The lower you fly, the slower you go, and the more fuel you burn. A 777 can go 485 knots burning 13,000 pounds of fuel per hour at 35,000 feet; down at sea level, you’re talking more like 20,000 pounds per hour and only going 310 knots. So if you can go 2,000 miles at altitude you’ll probably only go around 800 miles down low.

    - Find someplace to land. The 777 is a big plane — once Boeing retires the 747, it will be the biggest in its stable — but in an emergency it can be put down on a relatively short runway. “If I have a fire in flight, I’m prepared to put it down on anything above 5,000 feet,” says Solan. “You could put it on a highway.” A runway wouldn’t even necessarily have to be paved; hard-packed dirt would likely be good enough. Throw some camouflage netting over the plane once you’re on the ground, and you’re good.

    – Sell it. There’s an active market for used 777s.

    more http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-to-steal-a-boeing-777-2014-3

    • elvischupacabra says:

      The last paragraph is bar talk. Yes, you can land a 777 almost anywhere, if dying is the only alternative. However, that airplane will either never fly again (but hey, we’re at least safe and alive) or will take months of on-site rebuild work. Really, busting through a runway or taxiway not suited to your heavy airplane is a last resort and never a pretty thing. Boeing did this to one of the two test 777s while doing some instrument work at Glasgow (MT), when one of the test pilots took a wrong turn-off onto a taxiway that was only stressed for the early model B52s. It sat there for two months getting a main landing gear rebuild.

      • radish says:

        Bar talk by a 777 pilot which wouldn’t stop another 777 pilot from attempting. Non-pilot terrorists would be none the wiser from the bar talk. We have at least two months.

  32. radish says:

    …none the wiser from over the bar talk…

  33. Bazylisk says:

    It is now hidden under a camouflage tarp and being repainted in the colors of Air France or Singapore Airlines – both of whom fly routes from Asia to Europe and Israel.

    The bodies are being disposed of, seats are being ripped out and it is being packed with either a Pakistani nuke, dirty bomb or conventional explosives and chemical weapons.

    If they have just one rogue fighter pilot – and the majority of the Pakistani airforce is composed of rogue elements – then they can fly in from the east from under the radar, shoot down, say, an Air France 777 and the bomb plane can swoop in and take its place.

    It will set its transponders and identification to match the plane that was shot down and the ruse is complete – it can fly into any airport it wants and would even pass a visual inspection.

  34. s1ct says:

    The target is Saudi Arabia.

  35. Hazel says:

    “…nation is not compromised entirely of the secular…”

    Compromised? Or comprised? Maybe both fit.

  36. Hazel says:

    Good thinking in this article. More logical than I’ve seen elsewhere.

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