Day 13 (Week #3) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread…

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Today, June 26th, is DAY #13 (of 3rd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case. An explosive second day of deconstructed witness testimony took place yesterday.  Which leads to the “big question”:  Will witness #8, Rachel Jeantel, be called to the stand today?

[Yesterday could] … only be characterized as an utter debacle for the prosecution in Florida v. Zimmerman. Besides the testimony of a couple of highly professional law enforcement witnesses, the testimony of the the other State witnesses ranged from signing George Zimmerman’s praises, to acknowledging the utility of following a suspicious person from a distance, to being utterly discredited by razor sharp cross-examination of the defense.

Before we even get to the disaster that was the State’s witnesses, however, we first have to discuss this morning’s hearing and the extent to which it evanescent is the State’s case against George Zimmerman.  State: Zimmerman Is So Good, He Must Be Bad (read more)

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Four Live-Streaming Links:

http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/

http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html

http://livewire.wesh.com/

http://www.clickorlando.com/

Here are some additional *possible* Links to the Hearing:

Hat Tip Rumpole for the list.
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  1. districteyes says:

    OMG how in the world is the prosecution even considering putting her on the stand? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/twitter/rachel-jeantel-758403

    This is someone they want the jury to find credible? WOW, I am perplexed after reading that… The defense will have a field day with her.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      Check out this Tweet! Notice any name we have heard b4?

      • Unicron says:

        I’d be interested to know if any of her older tweets ever mentioned “Dee” or “Deedee” the origin of the nickname isn’t obvious within her real name… and if it was a name she was widely known as, what would’ve been the point of using it as a cover name so the media couldn’t find her real identity?

        I wonder if she’s using it now (possibly on someone’s instructions) as a direct counter to those of us who question if she’s the same girl. It seems a little too convenient with the timing.

        • arkansasmimi says:

          tweets only go back to Feb 26 of this yr

          • Mr. Izz says:

            I thought I saw a few more that went back a bit further. Then again, the overwhelming theme of her texts never changed: drinking, smoking, and cussing people out.

            • deqwik says:

              If you look, she’s not tweeting to anybody… just sending out tweets to cyber space. lol. A real acct. would have friends on it.

              • Mist'ears Mom says:

                That was my thought exactly. I noticed she doesn’t/didn’t have many friends listed. My nephews & nieces in collage have hundreds of friends just as her “friend princess” does. Somethin ain’t addin up wit dis here acct. Sadly, as of now her acct has been scrubbed clean. All posts with cussing, drinking, court ref, etc have been deleted so the only left are music likes. Yesterday it was completely different.

      • El Gordo Loco says:

        Rachel: Court Nails!
        Cupcake: Girl Me TOO!

    • myopiafree says:

      Bernie has gone this far with Rachel (DeeDee), he might as well go the whole way. (Wave at Bernie.)

  2. eastern2western says:

    the thing I worry about the most is sympathy votes. Lets just hope the ladies will understand the legality of the case and ignore the emotional smoke and mirrors.

    • auscitizenmom says:

      Good morning. I wouldn’t worry too much about the sympathy thing as far as DeeDee goes. If this gal shows up and really is what it appears she is, I think the mostly women jury’s trashdar will kick in really quick no matter how sweet and all she appears.

  3. rumpole2 says:

    MOM is trying hard to get the “So Good, He Must Be Bad” tapes not discussed (seems they are already “in evidence”?)
    As I posted earlier.. I don’t see its a big deal if they do come in?
    In fact I think it is a plus if they do.
    The 5 previous incidents show George doing the right thing.. reporting suspicious persons. And I imagine that the 5 suspects ran and got away each time. The State contending that, that is what led to George’s frustration…. they were the “assholes that got away” but……..
    To my mind the difference in the TM case is that he was an asshole who did NOT run away as every reasonable person (George) would assume. He stayed and attacked George.

    Trayvon is what makes this incident different from routine.. Trayvon is the one who caused the problem. Trayvon should have stayed “right by his father’s house”

    Apparently Judge Dim is deciding as a homework assignment.. I assume we get her ruling on that first up today.

    • Pugfrench says:

      I’d prefer them to have as little evidence as possible. But if the tapes are let in MOM can just ask if to the best of your knowledge did zimmerman ever shoot any of these other people he called nen about? Even if it is sustained the point has been made.

    • Mr. Izz says:

      When she does her homework, she seems to agree with the defense. When she makes immediate decisions in court, it is always for the prosecution. At least, that’s the feeling I get at times.

    • sundance says:

      The only issue I have with it (FWIW) is the fact the prosecution cherry picked the 5 black suspects out of the 12 known calls. I think if they are going to air the calls, they should air all the calls or none at all. Why just pick and play the ones with black suspects.

      DCA would have a field day with that. Prejudicial from the bench?

      • FrenchPug says:

        Plus iirc in one of the calls he was reporting about a boy that was playing too close to traffic. Although I’m sure that the scheme team would just say that GZ was worried that his neighbors cars would get damaged if they ran him over.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        +1 AND thats also what Richard Hornsby said. If they are played now, after hearing the lady who helped with the NW program testify, I think would be ok. But as you say all or nuttin

      • nightcaster says:

        If those 5 tapes were allowed, couldn’t the defense do more then just play the others in rebuttal? Perhaps crime stats since the time Zimmerman moved into that community? How about the crime rates of that area? Point out where Martins “official” residence was?
        Mention any discrepancies between “official” residences of Martin family members?

      • Chip Bennett says:

        The only issue I have with it (FWIW) is the fact the prosecution cherry picked the 5 black suspects out of the 12 known calls.

        They’re doing everything they can to prevent a reasonable JOA at the end of their presentation. (Though that seems to be backfiring spectacularly.) They’re going to cherry-pick the calls the same way they’re going to cherry-pick eye-witnesses (i.e. I’m fairly certain the State won’t call Witness 6).

        Perhaps one of the lawyer types can say whether or not any implied racial undertones from the cherry-picking is an issue? I’m not sure it is.

        But what’s most pathetic is that, even though the State doesn’t have to present exculpatory evidence in its own presentation, even their chosen witnesses and evidence are proving to be exculpatory.

        • howie says:

          With these records if one come in all must come in I think. Maybe even non-Zimmerman calls. They are not criminal bad acts. They are legal acts encouraged by the Police Department. They are not probative. I think it is an easy no brainer.

    • ZurichMike says:

      Setting a pattern of “he followed normal protocol all those other times, but something “snapped” with TM and he left the car and followed and assaulted him”. That’s the lame story the State is trying to prove by using these prior calls. I say: BRING IT ON.

      • John Galt says:

        Yeah, he snapped and shot the guy that was beating his head against the sidewalk. So “snapped” means he usually lets guys beat his head against the sidewalk?

        • ZurichMike says:

          But that’s the perversion of the State’s case: trying to make something out of (1) nothing or (2) evidence to the contrary.

        • Stormy says:

          He snapped like the customer waiting in line to buy Lebron X shoes in Atlanta, when another guy in line decided to rob everyone? Bad guy pulled a gun, concealed carry customer pulled his gun and shot the bad guy. Dead. And then good guy remained in line to buy da shoes. Article @ huffpro.

          • Stormy says:

            Police said, “A number of witnesses were interviewed and this appears to be self defense.” This must be code for “the shooter was not white hispanic.”

    • AghastInFL says:

      I will add a difference, Sean Noffke and the first time the NEO asked George to ” just let me know if this guy does anything else” or ask him ” he ran? which way did he run?” all after having the suspect approach him in a sign of braggadocio.

  4. eastern2western says:

    we better start paying attention when ever baldo questions a future witness because baldo was giving selene his special treatment. even after she was destroyed by O’Mara, baldo was still trying to refurbish her credibility. I though it was strange when baldo got up and started questioning selene because he sat out for the frye hearing and the all of the witnesses except for selene. To me, it seems to be that baldo’s questions were rehearsed with selene and they were trying to hit the main points (left to right) without going to the details, but baldo forgotten about the fb account. A great job on the coaching, but social media sold her out.

    • Mr. Izz says:

      It almost seems like the prosecution split up the witness list and whoever talked to this witness, or that witness, is the lawyer who will be questioning them. In drawing straws, BDLR got stuck with Selene. I’m guessing he got Rachel as well. They have all done a horrific job at checking the backgrounds of their witnesses though. Right now, all of the prosecution’s witnesses have been perfect for the defense (the witnesses that didn’t help anyone offered a heck of a lot of nothing). Whoever is in charge of the prosecution and selected them should be held responsible for how inept their actions have been. Additionally, I REALLY hope the prosecution is facing charges when this trial is over. And facing charges under a new judge.

      • John Galt says:

        “In drawing straws, BDLR got stuck with Selene.”

        Nope, he got with Selene because he knew he was going to sleeze in some new, inconsistent testimony. All the sleezy stuff originates with BDLR. Hiding the digital broken nose photo, hiding the phone cellebrite reports.

        “I’m guessing he got Rachel”

        Yes, for the same reason. He is the one that got her to recite the script during the April 2 interview by using incessant leading questions.

        • boutis says:

          He was in on it from the beginning. He has the early witnesses that helped fabricate the “narrative”.

    • froggielegs says:

      I think the state is playing bad/aggressive lawyer – Guy. Good/gentle lawyer – Birdie and ugly stepchild – Mantei

  5. jeff b. says:

    Is Saleen Bahadoor’s sister still gonna testify? If so, won’t they have time from the end of court yesterday unitl the start today to get their story straight from where MOM destroyed Saleen’s testimony…..

    • ZurichMike says:

      I am going to guess she will be removed from the witness list. Don’t want to relive the lie twice, do we Bernie?

  6. eastern2western says:

    judging from witness 8’s love of jack daniels, is it even possible for her to talk for 8 hours? 8 hours of telephone talk, but the girl looks like some one who is drinking every other 15 minutes. If she were drunk during the 4 minutes, could it also be possible that she was the one who told trayvon to play the punch-out game, film it and post it on you tube.

    • howie says:

      The first thing Bernie asked her was “are you on drugs or anything.” She said no. I wonder if the defense deposed the LEO’S who were sent to round her up for the interview regarding her physical condition.

  7. BertDilbert says:

    Figured that O’Mara did not call Diana Smith on the Iced tea due to her husband being the first officer on scene and he is yet to be called. No point creating a hostile witness by attacking his other half.

    • FrenchPug says:

      Although a crime scene technician that doesn’t pay attention to detail is problematic

      • BertDilbert says:

        Misstating the evidence 3 times could not have been missed by the defense. Thus ignoring it was a strategic move. Since the evidence will not change, it can be pointed out later that she was incorrect with reasonable cause for not bringing up at the time she was on the witness stand..

  8. arkansasmimi says:

    Sundance, I sent snip pix of Francine, twitter friend of Racheal Jeantel, Francine also follows Sybrina on Twitter. ROFL looks like Rumpoles Pix of Racheal!!! Emailed ARKANSAS MMI in subject

  9. Ebidence says:

    I saw a joke on Twitter earlier that I hope West sees (after resting and having some chicken soup!):
    Knock, knock
    Who’s there?
    I forgot.
    I forgot who?
    I forgot I’m a prosecution witness.

    Teehee :)

  10. sundance says:

    Here’s O’Mara on AC360 last night:

    • sjd12 says:

      “There are things that we do that are somewhat insensitive to a family who’s lost a loved one” in reference to showing pictures of the deceased at the scene of the crime during trial that might stir the family emotionally.

      CNN/MSNBC Headline: “Zimmerman Attorneys Condone Being ‘Insensitive’ Towards Victims’ Families”

      • Mr. Izz says:

        I thought the prosecution showed those pictures.

        • sjd12 says:

          They did. I believe when he said “we” he meant attorneys, in general, present things during trial that are somewhat insensitive. Not the defense specifically. But I could be wrong.

      • auscitizenmom says:

        I know my sympathy tank is just about empty for the Martin/Fultons, but the truth is, they KNEW that pictures like that would be shown. It is a murder trial for goodness sakes. So, they didn’t have to be there. It was ALL for show. :(

        • Josh says:

          “…my sympathy tank is just about empty for the Martin/Fultons…” … the BGI, the State, the liars …

        • jello333 says:

          And I guarantee you that they had already seen those pics before. I’m sure it wasn’t fun for them, no matter how many times they had seen them…. but there was NO shock, NO “Oh my God!”

    • ZurichMike says:

      It’s also insensitive to the Zimmerman’s to falsely accuse someone of a crime, not use a grand jury proceeding, trump up charges, coach witnesses, and say you want justice for one party, but not the other.

      • boutis says:

        Totally agree of course. BUT, but with the massive PR campaign, lies, misrepresentation by this bunch of frauds, to slowly and with a” heavy heart” and great regret expose it and bring the grotesquely manipulated public along slowly into the sunshine is probably necessary. The fury that he displayed yesterday in snapping at witness one, glaring at her as she searched for a way out of her hole, rolling and rounding her eyes, stupidly admitting she talked to “TC” to add some stuff to her testimony, then snapping closed his laptop and turning his back on her in contempt is not the courtly, weaselly O’Mara we are used to seeing. Sometimes I think he believes all of his baloney and others I think he is just playing a part to snooker the press and persecution. Maybe a bit of both. Sometimes you do what you gotta do.

    • AE says:

      Interesting. So the defense might not even present a case. How does that work? Can they just motion for the charges to be dismissed if the state’s case continues to suck the way that it does?

  11. FrenchPug says:

    I really want someone somewhere to mention the crime scene techs testimony about not finding any evidence of martins DNA on the gun. It was important and I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere. The lack of DNA on the gun and on martins hands is always mentioned by the traybots and the tech testified that it doesn’t mean anything. That just because she didn’t find DNA doesn’t mean that the object wasn’t touched! And the no blood on the sidewalk testimony was also meaningless. They just looked in the dark with a flashlight, didn’t use any chemicals and it was raining. This is what leatherman points to as damning evidence. It drives me nuts!

    • ZurichMike says:

      That was testified too: no chemicals used to search for blood that evening; it had been raining, too. Also, tech admitted that (1) “touch DNA” does not always appear, even if you touched it, (2) the DNA could have been wiped away.

      • FrenchPug says:

        I know. That was my point. The media is ignoring the most important parts of her testimony. Instead they are focusing on how the jury finally saw The Gun and The Hoodie. Who cares? The tech just killed the states “lack of DNA theory” and she was the states own witness.

        • ZurichMike says:

          My personal favorite from Chad on Day 1 is “I don’t know” and “Skittles” being what he wanted TM to get for him. Wow. Cutting edge, Murder 2 stuff!

          • FrenchPug says:

            I think so far the result of all the witnesses has been a net positive for the defense.
            The techs testimony was mostly:
            Yes, that is correct.
            Yes, that is correct.
            Yes, that is correct.
            Yes, that is correct.
            Who knew a murder trial could be this dull?

        • howie says:

          Note: lies of omission in the media. Everyday all day. One big giant lie.

    • flawesttexas says:

      Its not unusual to be unable to find DNA evidence at a crime scene. It also rained that nite….and was quite damp outside….which would affect evidence

      • FrenchPug says:

        I know that is what the crime scene tech said and it is important and the media doesn’t even think its worth mentioning. A lack of DNA doesn’t mean anything. The scheme team has started recently hammering the lack of DNA home as proof GZ is lying and a states witness testifies that it is meaningless. I always follow leathermans blog to see what they think is important. I knew they were wrong about the DNA and I was waiting for it to come up. And when it did……..nothing. Leatherman still says the lack of DNA is important. No one noticed it and its driving me nuts.

      • jvj says:

        The people that are screaming about a lack of DNA means GZ is lying are the same people that screamed that a lack of the accused DNA in the Duke Rape Hoax didn’t have any bearing even though the DNA of multiple other people were found in that nasty liar.

  12. arkansasmimi says:

    OH MY GOSH! Cant make this crap up! This is a friend of Rachel Jeantel’s on Facebook lmbo she has a lil baby boy named TRAYDON bahahaha cebook.com/princess.l.dee

    HEYYYYY maybe these are the 2 dd’s lmbo
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    Please do not publish personal information/photos of friends of people involved in the trial. The CTH has no desire to bring undesired and unexpected publicity to these people.–Admin

    • Stormy says:

      I saw that last night… and thought the same thing. GMTA

    • ZurichMike says:

      “Traydon’s Mommy” (apostrophe corrected)???? Knowing how some blacks names their kids (combing parts of names of parents or family members), perhaps Trayvon was also a father?

  13. sjd12 says:

    Any news on whether or not George’s comments to Officer Smith — “I was screaming for help, but nobody came [paraphrased]” — are admissible per the spontaneous statement or res gestae [excited utterance 90.803(2)] exception to the hearsay rule?

  14. arkansasmimi says:

    Friends of Rachel Jeantel on fb
    Francina S. Cineas who also has fb as Francine ServeJohnson (who is the Twitter person upthread)

  15. kyzug says:

    Apologize for length, but I’m pasting something I wrote on my local (Seattle) forum. Did I get anything substantially wrong?

    Zimmerman couldn’t see which way Martin went.

    The dispatcher asked him which direction he went. (You can hear his car door open right after the dispatcher asks him.)

    Zimmerman got out of his car and went to the other side of the building to see if he could tell which direction Martin went so he could give the police an address or location. They were on the way. Zimmerman knew they were on the way.

    Here is the audio in case you never heard it:
    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-day-2-analysis-of-states-witnesses/comment-page-1/?replytocom=432400#respond

    Since he lost track of Martin (Zimmerman walked straight to the road, Martin had turned between buildings – down the path to the back of his father’s girlfriend’s house), and because the dispatcher suggested he didn’t need to follow, Zimmerman turned around and went back towards his car.

    I feel empathy for Zimmerman because I could see myself doing the same thing. His goal was to follow from safe distance and report. It wasn’t to confront Martin. They played a call today where something similar happened months before and Zimmerman said explicitly, “I don’t want to confront him.”

    I think it worth noting in contrast to the hype that he stalked Martin with a gun, Zimmerman’s gun was actually holstered this whole time. It very dark and instead of having his gun out, he had his little key ring flashlight out. Hardly intimidating.

    While Zimmerman was walking back, Martin, instead of easily going home (he had lost Zimmerman 3 minutes before, and it was a 1 minute jog to his house), choose to come back (transcript of conversation with Dee Dee says after Martin lost Zimmerman, he was right by his dad’s house and “he started walking back”)

    Martin purposely approached and confronted Zimmerman and escalated things. (The prosecution’s witness reportedly on the phone with Martin said the first thing she heard when the confrontation started was Martin saying, “Why are you following me.” She hears Zimmerman reply “What are you doing around here.” She says she next hears something like something hitting someone. Since Martin had no injuries other than the gun shot and a scratch on his knuckle, it was likely that the noise she heard was Martin breaking Zimmerman’s nose. Zimmerman said that Martin had immediately hit him in the nose and knocked him down.

    reenactment video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=PX1sxARNq_c&feature=fvwp

    Zimmerman didn’t do anything wrong and isn’t guilty of ANYTHING.

    Martin is the one that choose to start a physical fight. A month ago I had posted that maybe he was cornered and had to fight his way out, but knowing more now it is clear that Martin had gotten away and made the choice to come back. Martin made the choice to start a fight. Martin beat Zimmerman for about a minute while Zimmerman screamed for help. No one helped.

    With a broken nose, no one helping, and the back of his head getting smashed into the sidewalk, any reasonable person should agree Zimmerman had a reasonable fear for his life or of great bodily harm. That is a justification in Florida for use of deadly force in self defense.

    Martin didn’t die because he was profiled and stalked. He died because he chose to start a fight and beat a man relentlessly, a man who was wise enough to own and carry a gun.

    • howie says:

      What you say about self defense will be in jury instructions if it gets that far. The Spurgeon case reversal has put the judge on notice and the instructions are already set pending small possible changes. The state is desperately trying to overcome Det. Gailbreth’s statement at the bond hearing with any sort of “new” evidence it can manufacture. (manufacture) If the state had any notice at all of the lying stealth witness yesterday the whole house of cards is coming down on the quick. The witness stated that the last contact with the state was 2 weeks ago. She was not asked about contact with the scheme team. If the testimony was a scheme coordinated through the family lawyers and it can be proven look out below.

    • waltherppk says:

      Fear of great harm or fear for ones life is a justification for self defense anywhere that persons are acknowledged to have that natural God given right which ought not to even need to be spelled out by any law since it is only common sense and it is a thing that is self evident. Deniers of this fundamental truth are simply liars and subversives no matter where on earth they are found. However there has been for decades a growing percentage of the population that have been brainwashed and have surrendered all common sense and reason to political correctness that is inherently a dangerous lie.

  16. arkansasmimi says:

    Anyone believe this statement? I have hard time personally believing, considering

    • ZurichMike says:

      What? No sympathy for the dad? Have you noticed that NatJack and Crump lately don’t talk or tweet about dad, just mom? Maybe because they are trying to get sympathy from the *women* on the jury.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        YES thats what ME thinks. Did you see the one I posted from Chump asking for prayers for $ybrina. no Tracy?

        • ZurichMike says:

          Yes, that’s what made me think NatJack and Crump know something awful that’s going to come out about TrayDad, and that’s why Sybrina is no longer sitting next to her former babydaddy or interacting with him.

          • boutis says:

            And the influence he had on TM. The fact that something awful comes out is not such a big deal, but his “custody” and influence is.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        But then again… how would the jury know this :)

        • ZurichMike says:

          NatJack and Crump see that the case is imploding, and maybe they know something bad about TrayDad (violent past? — like father, like son?) so they are distancing themselves from him figuratively as Sybrina has done in the court room literally.

          • FrenchPug says:

            I was wondering if they split up to make sure that at least one of them is visible to the jurors or the cameras.
            If I was sybrina and I sent my son to stay with his father because he was in trouble, and instead of supervising him he left him at his mistresses house with her teenage son while he was at a hotel and didn’t find out that he had been shot until the next morning I would have killed him. I certainly wouldn’t be traveling or holding hands with him. I would probably be in jail.

            • Stormy says:

              It’s not like Trayvon was even living with Sybrina… she had kicked him out.

              • FrenchPug says:

                I know, I just meant that if my kid died while his father was supposed to be watching him I would be murderously angry. I actually feel sorry for her. i think she lost control of her son and didn’t know what to do. Jahvarus seemed to turn out ok. I don’t know how much parenting Tracy did with trayvon. A few years ago trayvon seemed like normal kid playing sports and normal kid stuff. I think that is probably why they used old pics, they didn’t have many recent pics because he had withdrawn from his family a while ago.

            • auscitizenmom says:

              Wasn’t she there at that conference that weekend? Unless I am mixed up, a total possibility, she was there in the pictures with Tracy and Brandy. If that is true, she knew that Trayvon was alone.

          • howie says:

            I think the defense wants to get #8 on the record at trial under oath before they depose Crump. They can depose at will during the trial. The state may be stalling putting her on. Just a hunch.

            • ZurichMike says:

              Interesting theory. But Crump will skate, unfortunately. And we have to focus on the brass ring: acquittal of GZ on all charges. If we can do that and get rid of at least some of the filth and stench emanating from Angela Corey’s department, it will be a good thing.

              • howie says:

                I doubt he will “skate.” I think he will either be exonerated or convicted in his role in this. As will the rest. According to the rules. If they have not stepped over the line they will be fine. Otherwise….

        • boutis says:

          When he does the voice identification that he changed from the SPD to the press declaration a few hours later. Impeachment of his “honesty”. Since the voice “experts” are out, that would leave only Fulton to ID it. And the persecution just made a big deal out of keeping him in the courtroom even though he is a witness. They have to use him.

    • unitron says:

      First time?

      Must be just about the only evidence not leaked to them.

    • IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

      uh then what about the single tear on cheek photo the schemers had reuters run with? if it existed (it does not) then natalie would have seen it. Another lie exposed.

    • flawesttexas says:

      Nat having a hard time sleeping because she will need to steal a lot of $$ when she loses the suit filed by the Zimmermans

  17. arkansasmimi says:

    Does anyone think Def will have some sort of Motions first thing because of the last witness yesterday? I will miss the first bit, but will try to catch up. Some reason I feel it coming on :) Witness Tampering???

    • ZurichMike says:

      They could move for a mistrial and/or sanctions.

      • howie says:

        If the SP does not have anything except LEO’s and Witness 8 left the this is a case that might be won with a JOA when the state rests. The LEO’s will be all bad for SP. The judge may have no choice.

    • howie says:

      The rules are starting to have effect. If the judge can figger them out right and apply them in an impartial way the SP is toast.

  18. arkansasmimi says:

    Wanna laugh! Ole Leatherhead had.. ONLY 73 I say 73 comments for ALL OF YESTERDAY :) :) this made me giggle out loud!

    trina cosbie says:
    June 25, 2013 at 10:33 pm
    Some people on here having strokes over Selene’s testimony today need to have several seats. My goodness folks its only day 2 & there was no bombshell just because Selene signed or liked a petition.

    zhickel says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:46 am
    My take on the first two days of trial proper; the defence is throwing out all-and-everything in the hope that some of their statements make it past the prosecution.

    O’Mara and West are going to go down fighting.

    If the prosecution has not done their homework and are not prepared for all eventualities, O’Mara and West may prevail.

    However, I don’t think this will happen. The defence is determined to force the prosecution to make their case; and they will, by being better prepared, in possession of more facts and having impeccable resources at their disposal.

    The defence is a rouge electron. The prosecution is a slow and inexorable train.

    Reply
    zhickel says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:56 am
    *rogue

    Reply
    truthseeker66 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:00 am
    R U smoking crack??

    Reply

    • FrenchPug says:

      No he just never put up a new thread. The posts from the 25th are in the thread from Monday. I know cause I always skim through them. They were having an argument about who’s fault it was that Selene bombed so badly. some were furious at the prosecution for putting her on. Leatherman thinks that the tech and her lack of blood evidence was a huge score for the state.

    • howie says:

      She did it while sequestered as a SP witness. That is big trouble.

  19. alan says:

    the point the defense should make is….culture clash…urban ghetto black goes to nice, quiet Sanford. urban black is used to street rules….tries to apply them to Sanford….confuses Z, as all the local Sanford thugs run whien they are doing something wrong..proof is, Z’s gun is still in the holster….both men surprised…Z by the attack, TM by the gun. Bad ending for both.

    • howie says:

      The SP is making the case for the defense. The SP witnesses are exonerating the defendant. By the time Corey finishes there may not be a need for the defense to make any points. They are scoring safety after safety 2 points at a time as Wrong Way Corey keeps on scoring in the wrong end zone. The cross examinations have been devastating. Yesterday the stealth witness was at the end of the day. The jury will think about it all night. Witness 8 if called will be the final nail in their coffin. She has already committed perjury under oath and will explode on the witness stand under the cross.

    • districteyes says:

      If the defense can prove that Trayvon made the decision not to go to the residence where he was staying but instead made the decision to confront Zimmerman,

      AND

      If the defense can prove that Zimmerman was en route back to his car when confronted by Trayvon.

      The jury will find Zimmerman not guilty of 2nd degree murder (although Involuntary manslaughter is still a possibility).

      • howie says:

        Det. Gailbreth already did that at the bond hearing. The SP will have to impeach their lead detective in order to make their case. Yes, that is how weak they are. They are running out of straws to grasp.

  20. FrenchPug says:

    This case is reminding me of the Simpson’s episode where homer is accused of molesting the babysitter and they alter his interview so it sounds like he admitted it, and they make a movie about it starring Dennis franz. And everyone follows him around protesting.

  21. howie says:

    I think the SP may have to call the stealth witness back to establish they had no knowledge in advance of what she would say about running left to right. Bernie did not seem surprised at the testimony.

  22. alan says:

    ok, lads and lassies….think about things from the state point of view, more precisely, the prosecutors. HE got handed this hot political potato, and he has to try to make something of it, and he has almost nothing at all. SOOO, he rounds up the usual suspects used in prosecutions that are worse than week (sham audio experts, witnesses that really don’t contribute much to his side, and a really, really unbelieveable story that he KNOWS he can’t prove, and then goes on with the whow. He can’t really throw up his hands and say to the jury : I REALLY< REALLY don't want to be here! AND, there is the awful temptation to try to cheat, lie and steal to get some sort of a plausible argument for his bosses, who are looking over his shoulder. We all need to pray for poor Bernie, as it wasn;t his fault he was born with no conscience, and no gumption to just say "no" when the politicos come to him with an unwinnable case. Blame the upcoming disturbances on the State and its rush to judgment. Blame the upcoming lack of confidence of the citizens of the State of Florida in the legal system on the politicos. Truth, honor, jurstice….all blackened. All for what? You tell me.

    • howie says:

      He is an officer of the court. Ya can’t do that. According to the rules if he has information such as you speak of his responsibility is to bring it forth to the defense and nulle prosse the case. Politics has no place in a criminal courtroom.

    • ZurichMike says:

      Prosecutors could have (1) objected to being assigned the case, (2) resigned, (3) gone public with corruption of the State prosecutor’s office, (3) raised federal concerns as a protected whistleblower. In short, they could have acted like men of character and truth, not lazy, mewling eunuchs in the sway of that power-mad legal race whore Angela Corey. Yes, Bernie, I’m talking about you. Have you no shame?

      • howie says:

        (2) and (3) would be the moral, ethical, and professional thing to do in that situation. It is not corrupt to overcharge a solid case in order to facilitate a plea bargain negotiation, with solid evidence of guilt presented to the defense. It happens every day all day. In fact it is considered to be in the public interest. However. To overcharge and arrest without solid proof like in this case is. To arrest for political reasons without good evidence is about the worst thing a state attorney could ever do.

    • ZurichMike says:

      +1,000,000 to howie. Yes, they are *officers* of the court, and have not only a duty, but an obligation to act correctly and ethically.

      • howie says:

        The defense is fighting tooth and nail. An example of this is the custodian of records called to the stand. That is a tell of the battle being fought behind the scene.. Normally the records would be stipulated to. As far as letting the calls in if the judge does that it is probably reversible error IMO. The possible probative value to the murder 2 charge is far outweighed by the prejudice to the defendant by these previous calls so remote in time.

    • realitycheck says:

      Alan (Bernie):
      If you think the citizens of Florida and of this country will ever forgive or give any “out” to you, Corey, Bondie, Scott etc you are wrongly mistaken.

      You have wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars (millions(?)) of hard earned, taxpayer dollars to persecute a man because the BGI wanted you to. There was no evidence only whining from an artificially stirred-up voting block your political brethren needed.

      We only can hope that at the end of this travesty, the Scheme Team, The Martins, the media and the political powers that be, pay for all of their damages to the Zimmerman’s and we, the people. (And unlike the BGI, I mean pay through legal methods of jail time etc)

  23. ZurichMike says:

    Amazing. Over 100 posts and it’s only 6:37 am East Coast time.

  24. rejoicenhim says:

    Please O’Mara put a stop to the theatrics in the courtroom with Sybrina and Crump getting up and down in front of the jury. Mr & Mrs Zimmerman are grieving too and the court has shown no sensitivity in making an exception for them, nor should there be an exception for Sybrina’s behavior.

    • howie says:

      His interest is his client. The open grieving and emotional displays in front of the jury in court, prejudices his clients right to a fair trial.

      • rejoicenhim says:

        I really hope they address it with Nelson before we’re in session. I was disappointed it didn’t come up yesterday after they dismissed the jury. He has to stop trying to be sensitive to a woman who is purposely trying to deny Zimmerman his right to defend himself against her son.

    • alan says:

      I don’t suppose any thoughts have been given for a counter demonstration for truth, liberty, justice, right to have guns, etc. We could have an NRA booth, a refreshment booth serving Skittles and Iced Tea or Watermellon drink, The Daughters of the American Revolution booth, a T shirt booth with appropriate pics of all the players, and even a recruitment booth for the military!

      • rejoicenhim says:

        and since there was a foundation for kids created, we should add a booth showing the extra curricular activities of street MMA for the kiddies next to the Watermelon drink stand.

      • clemma716 says:

        G’morning yall!

        Okay, I’ve been following as closely as I can, reading the threads and watching the case on HLN whenever I get a second but it’s tough with babies lol!

        Last night I watched a couple videos from fox.com and I’m blown away by their bias!! I expected it from HLN & ignore it but I didn’t see that coming from FOX. All they talk about is tm’s dead body & stir up emotion & the darn knock knock joke!! They also made a big deal of tm’s body face down in the grass w/ his hands underneath him. Said GZ claimed he spread his arms after he pushed him off. Is this significant? Oh and they downplay GZ’s injuries sooo bad! What omara & west NEED to do is make it clear that with trauma & blows to the head, its not the external wounds one needs to worry about. It’s the internal damage that cannot be seen that is extremely dangerous. And if im not mistaken didn’t gz complain vof nausea and vomit at the police station? Those are signscof a concussion that most definitely need to be adressed to the jury!

        • AE says:

          Yes, I made a comment below about this as well. They are talking about nothing of substance. It seems that the female analysts on CNN are still busy swooning over the hunky prosecutor. It’s annoying. But in the coverage clips I watched, no one mentions what the defense has disproven in court, and I think that they’ve really uncovered a lot of evidence that supports their side. Thus far, the prosecution has not really established anything at all.

          • rejoicenhim says:

            I was actually shocked that Anderson Cooper asked a substantive question to Crump 2 nights ago. “The Defense says you interjected yourself into this case by interviewing TM girlfriend before Law Enforcement questioned her. Did you do that.. and if you did..why?” Thank you Anderson Cooper for simply asking the question. When, why and how the “star” witness came to be is important… I just hope more of the media would do more of this.

        • rejoicenhim says:

          clemma I’m frustrated with Fox talking about the joke, its a non issue in a case where the media and justice system are criminally prosecuting Zimmerman. It doesn’t seem as if they’ve actually heard the evidence so far presented by the State??? I wish they would either have a contributor focus on this case, or find better sources.

          • Lulu says:

            Re West’s “”cognitive eraser” aka the knock-knock joke, many seem to have not gotten the memo. Fox’s Megyn Kelly (who purports to be a lawyer and even has a featurette called “Kelly’s Court” during her two hours) is still outraged over this. And now that ditz Kathleen Parker is ranting at the WaPo:

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kathleen-parker-the-zimmerman-trial-is-no-joking-matter/2013/06/25/9e6e87ea-ddbe-11e2-948c-d644453cf169_story.html?hpid=z3

            I expect this insanity from Parker, but would have hoped that Kelly would have more legal savvy. And her favorite “expert” on Zimmerman is Mark Fuhrman. Fuhrman was a homicide detective on the OJ murders. That’s all. But he has parlayed it into expert television pundit. Even he looked squirmy yesterday. In over his head.

            • howie says:

              Cognitive lies by omission.

            • rejoicenhim says:

              It seems over at Fox they get side tracked with the idea that “if other people are talking about it, we need to talk about it”…they get caught up in the momentum of irrelevance. No outrage over how weak the State’s case is…. that’s why the internet is where people go to get relevant information regarding this case.

    • rejoicenhim says:

      *correction Crump was not in the courtroom.

    • Joel says:

      It is jury tampering, but with Nelson that is a “good thing”, just showing how much they care.

      The rest of my post I omitted. I don’t want to give Bernie and company any more ideas.

    • Chip Bennett says:

      I know of two such instances (one each for Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton). Have there been more? If so, it must absolutely be addressed.

      • rejoicenhim says:

        Those are the 2 incidents… I should have mentioned Tracy instead of Crump. I think the 2 disruptions should be addressed before there’s more.

  25. alan says:

    after all, what good is a circus, without a side show…

    • alan says:

      note to defense…please refresh the jury on what mere suspicion, probable cause and beyond a reasonable doubt is, when you call the detectives, and question them why they didn’t arrest Zimmerman, and then also ask them if any of the facts have changed, and in their mind, would they even arrest Zimmerman today, knowing all they know now.

      • AE says:

        I don’t think the defense should ask them if they would arrest Zimmerman today, knowing what they know now. With the pressure they received over this case, they are going to answer that question yes, which will make Zimmerman look very bad and like he is deserving of the charges against him. The defense should get into the politics of this case because it can backfire.

      • rejoicenhim says:

        Now that the country is paying attention, explaining probable cause would be helpful for the jury and the public.

        • AE says:

          Seriously. It’s scary to think that any of the Trayvonites out their could sit on a jury. Someone needs to educate them about how the legal system works in this country.

  26. AE says:

    Thus far, I am disappointed by the media coverage of this case. The state isn’t meeting its burden, and no one is talking about it. They’re too busy fuming over the knock-knock joke, which mature adults need to get over. This jury really has problems if they are going to convict a man off of no evidence but out of a desire to seek revenge for a bad joke. That seems to be what the media is implying they will do.

    • alan says:

      good point, AE….no, the burden is not being met, and not by the media, either…the last part of the past witness on HLN was CUT OFF for Nancy’s bad show…could anyone brief me on the last few minutes of the last witness on the stand? Thanks, Alan

      • howie says:

        The last witness was busted for being a stealth witness. Lying on the stand. HLN does not want to subject its brain dead viewers to the truth.

        • alan says:

          I always wondered about that…can a witness ADD to their testimony on the stand by mentioning things not in deposition that she wasn’t SPECIFICALLY asked about? Oh, Bernie seemed coached on that one…he was WAYYYYY to fast to follow up on her comment, and he had all the little charts ready to go, when she mentioned the left to right movement….

          • howie says:

            Yes, but the state can not put on a witness that they know is going to lie and ask them any questions.

          • ZurichMike says:

            Nor can the State ask a witness questions where answers are *substantially* different from pre-trial testimony, and if so, they must alert defense counsel.

          • TandCrumpettes says:

            I’m sure that one can – in the sense that I’m sure it happens nearly every day in courts across the world. Inadvertently, of course, only small details that have no relevance to the case whatsoever. “I was watching Andy Griffith that night….when I heard a gunshot!” Aww, who cares if you never mentioned it, maybe before you said, “TV” or “a show.” As long as AG was on the lineup nobody really cares. I’m sure it happens all the time.

            But something like “left-to-right,” heck, that’s a fact that would rather blow an absurd self-defense claim right out of the water, wouldn’t it? That’s a no-no.

            Compounded by Bernie’s readiness for follow-up.
            Compounded more by Bern’s excitement to explain she never mentioned it because she was never asked. Of course she was never asked! Needed some wiggle-room in order to add stuff later. Oops, did I say, “add?” I meant, “remember.”.

            No, actually I didn’t mean that either. I meant, I know I said it or something to somebody but this transcript doesn’t seem to reflect that.

  27. howie says:

    #8 may come today. Her testimony is considered admissible hearsay under an exception to the hearsay rule. It leaves her wide open to impeachment by the defense. Get the Popcorn!

    • boutis says:

      I think it was West in opening that said W8 said in deposition that TM went to confront GZ. I’m especially looking for that when she testifies.

  28. dizzymissl says:

    Someone mentioned that they finish with the State’s closing, so that is the last the jury will hear. Is that correct?

  29. Yakmaster says:

    Good Morning Treepers. I’m ready for court today.
    Last night at dinner I told my husband that I’ve gotten so obsessed with this trial and all it represents that I’ve made sure I don’t have any appts. this week so I can be home watching live stream. He laughed and said my being at home means I’m not out spending money!
    It’s typical now for him to come home from work and ask me how the trial is going, which is sweet, so I’ve explained the case and the PLAYERS. He is sorry for George and the way his family has to live right now and says he had believed Pam Bondi was one of ‘the good guys’, but apparently not!

  30. kobeclan says:

    I have a question :

    Is there any possibility that the state DOESN’T have the medical examiner testify and the autopsy results are not entered into evidence?

    I know that seems ludicrous, but this is a ludicrous case. If the autopsy results are entered into the record, than the toxicology results are entered into the record and TM’s drug use becomes known to the jury. And another prosecution witness becomes a defense witness.

    The logical witness after the CSI tech SHOULD have been the ME. No?

    • Yakmaster says:

      I was wondering about that too. The jury will certainly expect an ME on that witness stand!

      • BertDilbert says:

        Omara is saving the height of the clerk at 7/11 for something he has not made his point with that yet.

        • kobeclan says:

          I agree. The autopsy height is obviously wrong. Even TM’s family says he was 6’3″.

          Can this case get even more bizarre and the defense calls the ME to the stand over the objection of the state?

          • Lulu says:

            When the height discrepancy was noticed last year, I went to a website on forensic autopsies. (Yes, I did!) It said autopsy height is actually an estimate. The body is lying down. It may not be possible to stretch it to its full length. It may be contorted due to rigor. And the body begins to shrink immediately after death.

            No one should get hung up on height. If family says he was 6’3 he was probably 6’1. Unless someone measured him when he was alive, no one knows for sure. And they don’t seem to have been that interested in TM before he was killed.

        • creepytwins says:

          Mary Cutcher and the little boy she saw?

      • kobeclan says:

        They also expect incriminating evidence but they haven’t gotten any of that yet.

  31. rejoicenhim says:

    Are they not televising the pre trial discussions this morning?

  32. sunnydaze77 says:

    Hi Ev1, i missed most of the coverage yesterday, but i did see some re-runs….apparently the button was on Trayvons shirt and not found in his pockets, but what about the earbuds? did they cover that? i am and always have been very curious as to where those earbuds where found…..thanks : )

  33. ZurichMike says:

    Seal’s up! Here come da judge!

  34. HughStone says:

    What year did W8 graduate? Does someone know?

  35. ZurichMike says:

    I am listening to the “news” piece on the channel provided on the site. Such breathless reporting about NOTHING.

  36. howie says:

    Reversible error starts the day.

  37. diwataman says:

    O’Mara’s objection denied, tapes are in

  38. DizzyMissL says:

    B72 dismissed who was he

  39. HughStone says:

    Trying to get ahead oof the curve to soften the blow.

    http://newsone.com/2615522/rachel-jeantel-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/

  40. howie says:

    I hope the whole day does not consist of the old NEN calls. Ughh. Will find something better to do if so.

  41. ZurichMike says:

    Ah! The two gum-chewing parents are back! How ridiculous.

    • HughStone says:

      The gum is used to attracted attention to themselves, Their jaws are moving and the movement would certainly catch the eye.

    • Lulu says:

      Sybrina is a Drama Queen. Just lappin’ this up since the very beginning. She’s slimmed down a little, gotten all tarted up. Ready for her closeup.

      Tracy often looks as though he was Anywhere But Here. Off with Brandi (is she still around?), off with his homies, just off….

  42. diwataman says:

    Alternate Juror B72 W/M, has also been dismissed for reasons unrelated to the case judge says

  43. diwataman says:

    W11 is coming to the stand

  44. ZurichMike says:

    Is she another earwitness?

  45. I missed the ruling. Was it just the five calls that got in?

    • cboldt says:

      Yes, for now. O’Mara can bring in the rest of them (not from Zimmerman) because he’ll have the custodian of records on the stand.
      No big deal other than a time waster.

  46. Josh says:

    “bucketing down with rain”

  47. TandCrumpettes says:

    I would have been SO lost had I not known this witness’ cat’s name. Glad it was brought up.

  48. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    BDLR always tries to lead the witness in the most obvious way.

    • Lulu says:

      Interesting. She’s been an activist.

      • Lulu says:

        From that article:

        ORLANDO — The University of Central Florida is being investigated by the federal government on charges it has discriminated against women athletes and coaches.

        The Orlando-based campus becomes the first Florida public university to face charges of violating a federal anti-discrimination law known as Title IX. The law, passed in 1972, requires schools receiving federal money to provide equal opportunity for both sexes, including students and staff. Violators face loss of federal funds.(Snip)

        The woman was identified as Jane Surdyka, 38, of Longwood, a former track athlete at the University of Florida.

        Surdyka filed a written complaint in early December with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights, the agency that enforces Title IX.

  49. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    “I said to myself who would be walking their dog out in this rain.”

  50. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    Raining buckets….shut the window…dark at that time…heard a “loud voice”…then “voices”

  51. tara says:

    Adios HLN. Allowing your racist co-host to declare the judge’s decision about the prior NEN calls a “bombshell for the Prosecution” without any challenge or without playing any parts of the calls is the last straw. I have no desire to watch your channel as it participates in this grotesque lynching attempt, so just as I rejected MSNBC years ago for its blatant bias I will NEVER watch HLN again. NEVER.

  52. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    “I thought it was strange someone was out there in the pouring rain.”

  53. dizzymissl says:

    George has a soft voice.

    Why are we continuing this travesty?

  54. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    She had a nightlight on then turned it off to get better view. Didn’t she also have a TV on? That would have put out more light than a night light.

  55. Josh says:

    Yes. I sleep with a stop watch.

  56. Josh says:

    “two men” MEN. Not one man and one child :-)

  57. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    Five minutes!!!

    • clemma716 says:

      More dominant aggressive voice = tm / soft voice = gz. GZ has a very soft voice. I think he should testify so the jurors can hear that.

  58. sjd12 says:

    This witness is every bit as damning for the State as she is for the defense. Whoever she heard outside her window was “very aggressive; very agitated.”

    Is there proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the person outside her window was George? If there is any reason at all to believe that the person was Martin, then the fact that he was “very aggressive & agitated” is further evidence to HIS state of mind.

  59. AE says:

    How can she just say that she believes the voice belongs to a boy? She didn’t know who was fighting until far after the event and can’t possibly make that judgement fairly. This is just being used to play the emotions of the juror. “Oh, it was a poor baby crying for help. I just know it.”

    • Josh says:

      She was saying MAN before she picked up on the cues thrown at her by BEDLR.

      • AE says:

        I’ll bet that she’s going to become eerily forgetful as soon as O’Mara questions her. It’s interesting how the state’s witnesses are struck with amnesia or even lose the ability to speak in full sentences as soon as the defense questions them.

      • ctdar says:

        OMara should ask George to stand up and yell for help (much like OJ trying on the gloves) and play audio examples of TM voice
        for comparison
        case closed.

  60. Josh says:

    “pop. pop. pop.” THREE pops!?!!
    “popping noiseS'”

  61. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    Three pops! Hahahahaha!!!!

  62. She heard two men talking, a boy make noises, and three shots.

  63. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    3 pops? Pop pop pop? And then a person walking towards her window.

  64. partyof0 says:

    This witness is bathing in the limelight…talks TO the Jury…

  65. HughStone says:

    Did this witness ever say “hand to the head ” before.

  66. tara says:

    Is this the woman who freaked out while being interviewed by the police just after the incident, she was upset because they didn’t keep coming back to talk to her, and she hired an attorney?

    • AghastInFL says:

      Yes, she is the one… needed consoling.

    • Lulu says:

      Was this blonde woman the one whom Serino had to reassure when he interviewed her? I remember there was one “earwitness” who was concerned that she had heard the person calling for help and that they may have been killed. Serino told her not to worry. That the person she heard calling for help was not the person who was killed.

    • sbguy says:

      I don’t have it on. The girl you are talking about was a blond in her 30’s I want to say? She did an interview with one of the stations down there and said she heard a lot of things that nobody else heard, IIRC.

      • tara says:

        30’s ? More like 50’s.

        • sbguy says:

          Yeah, I just turned on the trial. I was wrong. My memory is from a year and a half ago and I thought I remembered somebody younger doing that TV interview. Maybe I need BDLR to come over and refresh my memory, LOL.

          • Lulu says:

            This witness was 38 in 1994 when she filed the complaint against the U. of Central Florida. We can do the math. She’s moving toward 60.

    • AE says:

      Actually, I think that was Mary Cutcher, not this witness. Cutcher was upset that the police stopped talking to her, so she held a press conference over it.

  67. Josh says:

    Which alternate juror(s) has/have been dismissed?

  68. Josh says:

    Bernie: “you described him as a boy”
    NO! SHE DID NOT!

  69. rejoicenhim says:

    pouring rain
    5 minutes
    laying down vertically
    heard soft younger voices (ear witness)
    pop pop pop

  70. Josh says:

    “I could see him clear”
    I question her on this.

  71. HughStone says:

    The three pops were trayvon hitting George.

  72. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    Looks like this is shaping up to be another stellar day for the Defense.

  73. Tz says:

    Did she describe the noises of a boy to police immediately after the incident?
    Or only after Trayvon Martin was portrayed as a boy in amedia cause celebre

  74. Lou says:

    the Judge needs to let Trayvon’s voice sample of the bike homeless guys fighting into evidence as a voice sample.

  75. FrenchPug says:

    I can’t wait for the cross examination

  76. yankeeintx says:

    Could the pop, pop, pop that she heard be TM landing blows on George?

  77. ZurichMike says:

    Three pops were GZ’s head hitting the concrete, or Saint Skittles’ fists hitting GZ’s head.

    • Tz says:

      No. Head hitting concrete not that loud or punches. Either she’s making stuff up or the shot echoed off windows etc it the courtyard

  78. Bernie asked her if she saw Zimmerman walking across past the T towards the street. She said no, but why didn’t the defense object because she wasn’t even looking out the window at the time?

  79. ZurichMike says:

    I heard a bang? Or three pops?

  80. Josh says:

    “I heard like A bang” Now she heard A pop noise.

  81. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    Great a 911 call after the event is over!

    “I don’t know what he did to this person.”

  82. Josh says:

    “You can still hear IT?”

  83. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    LOL at the 911 call. She is falling apart during it. Freaking drama queen.

  84. recoverydotgod says:

    “I can open my window and hear it if you want me too.”

  85. gannasview says:

    Assumption that it was the “boy” yelling…Has she ever spoken to Trayvon? Has she ever spoken to George? Assuming that it was the younger voice is only her speculation. People often assume my 30 yr old daughter is a kid.

  86. Josh says:

    A police officer was there THAT fast? Why has HE not yet testified?

  87. FlyingSailor says:

    Oh my god… She was looking out her window…

  88. HughStone says:

    $YBRINA SHOWING NO EMOTION AT ALL!!

  89. thehoff71 says:

    This isn’t the sound of a person who is scared and upset, this is the voice of a drama queen who is overacting. I bet you dollars to donuts this lady made an immediate conscious decision to inject herself into this. She is so full of crap it isn’t even funny.

  90. Josh says:

    “The man didn’t try to run away”

  91. AE says:

    Oh, I remember this lady! I thought she was kind of senile when I first heard her testimony. I think the defense should be able to point out a lot of problems with her testimony.

    • AE says:

      Oooh, when she says,”Oh my God, why would someone kill someone like that,” it reveals that she already has a bone to pick with Zimmerman and is going to be biased against him no matter what.

  92. dizzymissl says:

    She is beyond annoying.

    • AE says:

      The more they play this tape, the more she just sound irrational and like she has psychological issues. I don’t understand why the prosecution is playing the tape this long. Perhaps to play with the emotions of the jury? But after a point you have to think, “Bitch please… YOU weren’t the one who was shot.”

    • Lulu says:

      Surprised that she’s still single? That face has been ironed and botoxed to smithereens.

    • ctdar says:

      My eyes still hurin from her blouse.

  93. sjd12 says:

    In trial: “I could see him very clearly.”

    On her call to dispatch: “I couldn’t see anything it was too dark.”

    Interesting.

    • Lulu says:

      And she was “hearing” and “watching” from a second floor window which was closed for the duration of the incident. Right?

      • michellc says:

        My thought during her testimony is my first instinct when I’m going to look out the window is either to raise the blinds or pull up a slat to look through the blinds.
        But my goodness she just keeps going on and on during the 911 call. I’m going to give her the benefit of the doubt though and say she was in shock(understandable knowing someone was shot in your neighborhood) and because she lives alone needed to talk it out of her system.
        But the boy stuff is bs, at that point she had no idea who the people were and didn’t even know their sex at the time. When she found out it was a 17 year old who was shot, she naturally assumed it was the boy who was yelling for help. One of my boys at 14 had a much deeper voice than his Dad.

  94. partyof0 says:

    Did she ever get her a date with the 911 operator?

  95. waltherppk says:

    My name is Jane and I am certifiably blonde.

  96. Josh says:

    “I never saw anyone killed”
    Did you SEE this?

  97. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    “Never seen anyone killed”? How about have you ever seen anyone beat to a pulp?

  98. is that Sean on the phone with her?

  99. HughStone says:

    If trayparents get up again it will look staged.

    • tara says:

      Do they get up and leave because they can’t cry on demand?

      • Lulu says:

        Sybrina just nudged Tracy – “do we leave now?” He settled into his seat without looking at her. She is trying to figure out when to make the move.

      • brocahontas says:

        They should spray mace into their eyes. I would almost accept their tears if they did that. Like a barter – “I know you don’t care about your kids but I like it that your eyes hurt”.

  100. tara says:

    It was a mistake for Bernie to play this woman’s call. She sounds nutty!

  101. Josh says:

    “…POURING rain. Why would they be outside?”
    “I heard the MAN yell ‘help, help'”

  102. SheStone says:

    Her testimony on the stand didn’t exactly match what she said on the 911 call.

  103. dizzymissl says:

    The 911 operator is dying to get her off the phone.

  104. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    Spinster Syndrome.

  105. rovatek says:

    Emo people.really annoy me.

  106. FrenchPug says:

    She was pretty far away

  107. sangell says:

    Someone called for help and you did nothing woman. Nothing but fall to pieces.

  108. Josh says:

    “I wish I could have done something…”
    She pi**e* me off!

  109. froggielegs says:

    This is the one that drives me insane. OK lady the cops are there now hang up for pete sake and let 911 deal with some real emergency’s now and not be your personal psychiatrist.

    • Lulu says:

      In the 911 tape it sounds as though the guy she sees walking around (did I hear “flashlight”?) is probably the first responding officer.

      All of this is from her second floor window. The one that she didn’t open until she was asked to by the 911 operator. Who is now having to Dr. Phil her.

  110. Tz says:

    This is a lonely lonely woman in need of validation and someone to talk to

  111. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    I heard someone yell for help and I felt like I could have helped them. I mean I didn’t have a gun or anything.

    Well lady wait till you see the pictures of George’s bloody face. He is the person you didn’t help.

  112. sbguy says:

    Damn, Lady. Get it together.

  113. SheStone says:

    I believe in the 911 call she said a man calling for help.

  114. Yakmaster says:

    Oh wow, Jane was getting off on the drama. Never occurred to her to hang up and let that operator take other calls?

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      Jane isn’t getting off as much as Bernie is right now. He’s loving this drama, and the chance to play it for the jury.

  115. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Her call with 911 did not connect until 12 seconds after the shot. Didn’t she just tell Bernie that she heard the “3 pops” AFTER she called the police?

  116. Josh says:

    I can’t believe the 911 operator is staying on the line this long with her! What other calls are not getting answered because of her?

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      This operator is doing what they are trained to do. Stay on the line with the caller.

      Jane sounds like she is mentally unstable.

  117. eastern2western says:

    she just got impeached by her own 911 call.

  118. sangell says:

    Too bad the 911 operator can’t slap her.

  119. partyof0 says:

    HANG UP THE PHONE LADY…WHEW!!!

  120. froggielegs says:

    Meanwhile, 7 other people die waiting to get through to 911 while this woman is wasting their time. Call a friend lady!

  121. HughStone says:

    $YBRINA should stop acting like she is wiping away tears when the camera turns on her.

    • Yakmaster says:

      ANOTHER drama queen. She and Jane would get along great.

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Not really. $ybrina is fake, but Jane is a very real person. She is a nervous wreck, probably from 10 years of dealing with Trayvon Martins.

  122. John Galt says:

    Is this the 1st “witness” of the day?

  123. Josh says:

    911 operator: “I’m not sure if you have any preexisting medical conditions…”
    I’m pretty sure that’s been answered now.

  124. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    Victims advocate. LMAO

  125. FlyingSailor says:

    I had to step away for 2 minutes to make some coffee… Just came back…

    Is this still the SAME 911 call being played?

  126. dizzymissl says:

    She wants a psychiatrist to make a house call.

  127. tara says:

    I LOVE that they’re playing this entire call!!!! Thanks Bernie!!!

  128. hooson1st says:

    the guy has two suicide emergencies on hold, while taking this call

  129. boutis says:

    Was she lying in bed after taking medication? NEN asked if she has “medical conditions” and to call a friend. How about a victim’s advocate lady to talk you down a little lady. This is really sad as she is hyperventilating..

  130. HughStone says:

    Sounded like she was lonely and needed someone to talk too. She had no friends to call,

  131. Josh says:

    She’s trolling for a date! Any port in a storm!

  132. waltherppk says:

    Did they Baker Act this lady?

  133. AE says:

    I think I see what this is. They want to show an older white woman, just like the jurors, getting bent out of shape over TM’s death. It’s a way of getting to the jury. Pathetic.

    • AE says:

      But if I were a woman, I would be embarrassed that this lady can’t get it together.

    • tara says:

      Again they misunderstand the jury. The jury will not feel sympathy for her, they’ll think she’s crazy!

      • sbguy says:

        The prosecution’s case so far has been:

        Dear ladies of the jury. You’re women. I’m handsome. You’re gonna cry and then you’re gonna convict this murderer of murder.

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        I hope you are right.

      • jello333 says:

        Plus, what I think REALLY made that lady crazy was the screams. She thought she had just heard someone screaming and begging for their life, and STILL get shot despite that begging. THAT, I think, is why she was so freaked. So as long as the jury realizes it was George screaming (just as Serino informed this witness), they’ll totally understand how the woman’s sympathy/concern was misdirected.

    • janc1955 says:

      My guess is most if not all of the women on the jury have more “upset” in their lives every day than this emotionally fragile woman and her cat encounter in a decade.

  134. Tz says:

    Longest 911 call ever! Call Guiness

    • michellc says:

      In her testimony she said she was reading, the reason why she couldn’t see outside due to the glare from her nightlight which was on because she was reading. In the 911 call she said she was laying down watching tv.

  135. nivico says:

    What happened to Witness 2, Serene Baldoor’s (sp?) sister ….

    Did she go poof…???

  136. eastern2western says:

    1 pop became 3 pops and man’s screaming for help became a boy.

  137. The all-woman jury will recognize that this blonde lady, Jayne Surdyka, is looney-tunes.

  138. dizzymissl says:

    The operator deserves a medal.

  139. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    Is this the longest 911 call ever?

  140. howie says:

    Good Grief get her some help. The poor woman. There was no need to torture her by forcing her on the stand. I would say no questions and let her go.

  141. sbguy says:

    LOL at the 911 operator. Maybe you should call a friend. Maybe you can talk to an officer. Maybe you can get the hell off my line and let me do my job.

    Seriously, he sounds like the same guy that talked to George and is very patient, very professional. Still looking for one of the millions of racists in the SPD to whom Crump was referring.

  142. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    Bernie wants to approach before the first word is uttered by West?

  143. SheStone says:

    Did she also testify to opening the window yet on the 911 call said she didn’t open the window?

  144. sbguy says:

    Tuned in late. Was that Mr. Handsome that played that tear jerker of a tape? I would expect nothing less.

    Can’t wait until he gets to the part where somebody testifies that the lead that went through Trayvon Martin’s chest was hot – “hot lead” – as he said in his opening statement.

  145. sbguy says:

    He’s leading here.

  146. waltherppk says:

    Screams of a desperate person in dire straits …a life threatening situation

  147. Josh says:

    “ONE cry for help” she stated
    “cryS for help” she stated within the same 20 seconds

  148. HughStone says:

    State is gonna lose on this witness.

  149. dizzymissl says:

    LOL, I loves me some Don West.

  150. nivico says:

    …and you did nothing?

  151. dawndoe says:

    This witness looks a little hostile toward the defense right off the bat.

  152. boutis says:

    Desperate cry for help is so extreme. Boy she jacked up fast when West walked up. Your opinion that you formed nice suggestible lady.

  153. Lou says:

    someone is EXTREME PAIN would yell like that. do you agree?

  154. Yakmaster says:

    Bernie at the bench: “Your honor, my witness is fragile. Please ask Don West to treat her with kid gloves, so she doesn’t hyperventilate. She’s on medication and in a fragile mental state.”

  155. waltherppk says:

    Jane thinks the screamer was ….wait for it….the deceased

  156. Josh says:

    THIS witness alone will require an entire thread.
    What is her name? Is she the first witness?
    (I got here late. Dog spilled his water…)

  157. partyof0 says:

    In this testimony, She HEARD 5 minutes of talking…before the incident?? Hmmmm…

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      She claimed to have heard some talking a few minutes before she looked out the window, but witness 8 never mentioned anything like this.

      Jane’s internal clock needs as much of an adjustment as her grip on her emotions.

    • John Galt says:

      W8: fuark that cracker up!
      Trayvon: NO, I wanna go home!
      etc.

    • partyof0 says:

      I should have phrased that better…she heard arguing 5 minutes before the incident…that’s a long period…actually when George was on the phone

  158. recoverydotgod says:

    Didn’t quite understand the Olympic marathoner part…the boycott was in 1980 [there was no women's marathon in the Olympics in 1980]. Women’s marathon’s started in 1984 in the Los Angeles.

  159. Josh says:

    “POURING DOWN RAIN so it wouldn’t come in my window”

  160. Yakmaster says:

    again, POURING DOWN RAIN.

  161. froggielegs says:

    Raining enough to make her question why someone was outside in it. Funny how she can wonder about that and find it suspicious yet George can’t.

  162. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    They were both vertical YET horizontal.

  163. 22tula says:

    The 911 Tape – As her stress level increased, her own voice went up, like a hysterical teenager.

  164. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    She keeps looking over to someone on the prosecution side…almost like she is being coached, looking for up or down on her testimony.

  165. nivico says:

    trayvon on the phone is what she heard?

  166. LetJusticePrevail says:

    TALKING ON THE PHONE! YES!

  167. janc1955 says:

    She lost me at “three pops.” And again when she decided she was sure it was “the boy” who was screaming.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      She lost me when (in an interview) she claimed that she held her phone to the window so the 911 operator could here the yelling, and then the gunshot. But her 911 call did not even connect until after the shot was fired.

  168. Josh says:

    “I can’t imagine anyone talking that loud”
    I hear people speaking “that loud” in a grocery store, at a restaurant, walking on the street, etc.

  169. creepytwins says:

    Perhaps Trayvon was telling someone he was going to the bangaz on a cracka?

  170. John Galt says:

    Dominant voce first, meek voice was the response.

    West is going to use W8 for Trayvon spoke first.

  171. sbguy says:

    Oh, he threw softer, more “meek” voice was the second. Martin was the first, “aggressive” voice. Who has been described as “meek” in this very trial? Having a hard time remembering . . .

    • John Galt says:

      And Mr. Gym Owner, isn’t it true that Mr. Zimmerman was so “soft” that you would never let him get in the ring?

    • 22tula says:

      Meek – Wendy Dorival

    • CCG says:

      Wendy Dorival described Gorge as meek. For the record:

      Definition of MEEK (from Webster’s Dictonary)

      1. enduring injury with patience and without resentment : mild

      2: deficient in spirit and courage : submissive

      3: not violent or strong : moderate

      Blessed ae the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

  172. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Someone being aggressive and angry… TM telling Rachel “Hell, no, I’m not gonna run from dat cracka!”

  173. Josh says:

    Has anyone procured a pointer for today’s events?

  174. Josh says:

    He’s checking her eyesight…

  175. dizzymissl says:
  176. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Does this woman wear contacts?

  177. dawndoe says:

    Like Father, like son? “You’re going to die tonight, MFer” (Trayvon) Compared to Tracy calling the Zimmerman supporter being called MFer in court. Makes me go Hmmmmmm.

  178. rejoicenhim says:

    She’s a witness to hearing loud voices and making assumptions? I wish West would just clarify “youre assuming because you’ve never heard Trayvon speak before” and end this. There’s no evidence here.

  179. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    Russ Ballard – Voices

    Voices, I hear voices, voices, I hear voices

    Don’t look back, look straight ahead, don’t turn away, then the voice it said
    Don’t look back, yesterday’s gone, don’t turn away, you can take it on

  180. dawndoe says:

    Could earlier loud voice have been TM on phone with Rachael? Then the confrontation of TM to GZ later.

  181. dizzymissl says:

    bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 31s
    West makes good point using word meek to describe softer voice. Sanford PD Community watch coordinator earlier described GZ as “meek.”

    • Lulu says:

      My desktop dictionary says meek means “quiet, gentle, easily imposed on, submissive”.

      Not exactly the way one would describe a vigilante, an aggressor. No one would have used those words to describe TM.

  182. partyof0 says:

    She is finally getting the attention she deserves and NEEDS…

  183. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Didn’t Bernie make a point of asking her if she ever saw George walk down the sidewalk to Retreat View Circle?

    West needs to make the point that she didn’t look outside at that time, because she had not even looked outside yet. As far as she knows, George could have walked to RVC and back, and she never would have seen him do that, because she didn’t look outside until George had already walked back from there.

  184. John Galt says:

    Dark jacket on top – for the win

  185. LetJusticePrevail says:

    BLACK shirt on TOP! Good job! That was Trayvon!

  186. Benzy says:

    Two things stand out from her testimony… at least to this point. 1) It appears it was raining much harder from her vantage point than described by the police. 2) it sounded from her 9-1-1 call that she recognized George Zimmerman. I thought I heard her say during the call.. “Oh my God Why does it have to be George”

  187. yankeeintx says:

    She sure is sneaking a lot of glances in the direction of the prosecutors, while answering to West.

  188. Yakmaster says:

    Jane’s convinced herself that Trayvon had a soft meek voice when it’s actually the other way around. George doesn’t have a loud talking voice. I’ve heard him on tape. In comparison to my own husband’s voice, which is deep and carries (I sometimes have to tell him to lower his voice just in normal conversation if he gets animated about a story he’s telling), the OPPOSITE of George whose voice is in the higher range of male speech.
    Wish the Defense had some of Trayvon’s voice on tape that the Prosecution Gatekeeper would allow in.

  189. Josh says:

    West: “…by seeing the MEN on the ground…”

  190. LetJusticePrevail says:

    WHen did the call connect, Don. ASK HER.

  191. Dark shirt on top matches what the guy who actually came out and asked them to stop said, with the guy on the bottom wearing red. Good.

  192. sbguy says:

    This is masterful cross by West. He’s extracting the parts he wants and then showing the jury that her recollection of some things was formed by subsequent events.

  193. Josh says:

    She is very inconsistent.
    Yell vs. Yells
    Shot vs. Shots

  194. LetJusticePrevail says:

    LOL “Possibly” Dialing 911 when she heard call for help–shot fired while on the phone with them.

    USE THE 911 EVENT REPORT DON. IT HAS THE CALL CONNECTION TIME ON IT!

  195. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    Woman THINKS she was on the phone with the 911 operator when the shots were fired. West gave her a number of opportunities to back out of that. She is clearly out of it.

  196. dizzymissl says:

    Fin Gomez ‏@finnygo 2m
    E6 writing so much that she has flipped over her large white notepad, starting a new page. She writes emphatically #zimmerman
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

  197. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    You do admit you told the 911 operator I could open the window if you want.

  198. ZurichMike says:

    The “arrow” (cursor) — that she can’t see too well. If she can’t see that — how can we trust what she saw in the dark a year ago.

    Also, I like that West can calm down a witness and actually slow down the testimony so you can understand it. BDLR is so fast, interrupts, leads, and zig-zags I can’t figure out anything he is trying to say or prove, and the storyline of the witness is garbled and therefore unreliable.

    • Josh says:

      “I like that West can calm down a witness and actually slow down the testimony so you can understand it.” Yes. West is doing an excellent job with her.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      “I can’t figure out anything he is trying to say or prove”

      That’s what he is counting on. He hopes the jury will just remember whatever snippets he can pluck from their memory during his closing argument. West will drag this out to erase Bernie’s “snippets” with a bigger, truer, picture.

      • janc1955 says:

        I can’t believe Bernie has made it this far in his career. He is pathetic. Every single question is leading. I guess the defense feels there’s no point in objecting, but I wish they would object occasionally just to throw BDLR off what little game he has.

        • sbguy says:

          I think they’ve figured that the facts are on their side and objecting every time BDLR opens his mouth will make them look too defensive.

    • sbguy says:

      West is the most patient and deferential person I have ever seen. Probably explains why he is fit. If working days are filled with being the guy who gets to absorb the nonsense, I can see him murdering a treadmill on his way home.

  199. LetJusticePrevail says:

    She earlier claimed that the window was closed, and that she heard the voices, and opened the window to hear better. And THEN called 911. BUT- on the 911 call she can be heard asking the operator if he wants her to open the window so he can hear.

  200. waltherppk says:

    Heard three shots, the blonde lady’s head is an echo chamber

  201. Josh says:

    West asks her about needing the comfort of a “friend”. Heck, seems like she was looking for “comfort” from anyone!

  202. FlConservative says:

    I think this woman has bought into the St. Skittles myth and believes Zimmerman should be in prison. She knows she can’t say that but she is going to try and make sure her testimony helps the prosecution.

  203. sangell says:

    Take the kid gloves off West. The woman was hysterical and couldn’t possibly be a reliable witness to anything.

    • hooson1st says:

      MOM and West will keep the kids gloves longer than many will like.

      Right now, their entire focus is on the jury.

      By maintaining a calm presentation, the few times when they need to make a point with some emotion, that point will be magnified and impressed upon the minds of the jurors.

      Early example of the switch in demeanor came yesterday in MOM’s cross of one of those two sister witnesses as her testimony evinced clear subterfuge.

  204. recoverydotgod says:

    “Who the heck is Jane Surdyka? Witness who says she would have been Olympic marathoner?”

    http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5255494

  205. waltherppk says:

    This is the lady that hired a P.I. to look into things

    • That’s just strange.

      • Yakmaster says:

        Can’t West bring that out?

      • waltherppk says:

        She and her P.I. could get to the bottom of things that the police couldn’t manage. They should have taken a shot at the phone forensic evidence. wrongonred or myself could have done better than SPD. And I know any P.I. could have done better.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      NO!

      SHE did not hire a PI—Natalie Jackson hired that PI. He is the one who questioned her and provided the 2nd handwritten interview of her.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      If you look at the two handwritten interviews of her, both disclosed in the May discovery dump, you will notince that the 2nd, longer interview record does not have a police header on the top of it. THAT is the interview done by Natalie Jackson’s PI.

      THEN, if you go to the July Discovery, you can see where she was interviewed (at her attorney’s office) by the FDLE, and complained to investigators that she had given that interview to the PI in confidence, and under the promise that her 2nd statement would NOT be given to law enforcement. She felt that Natalie Jackson had broken her word by giving the PI’s copy of the interview to the police.

  206. froggielegs says:

    That surprises me considering this is supposedly the “biggest civil rights case of the century” Looks like the public isn’t as interested as the Scheme Team had hoped. That’s what normally happens when you saturate the media for over a year with BS. Kinda like a radio station over playing a song, eventually people get tired of hearing it and wish it would just go away.

  207. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Oh, come on, Jane. There isn’t a person alive who doesn’t have an idea of what a “muzzle blast” is.

  208. AghastInFL says:

    I feel the same thing now that I did the first time I heard her call, she is a gun activist…. the gun is evil and she will do waht she can to stop the evil gun handler! JMHO

  209. FedUp says:

    She keeps changing her story while still on the witness stand lol. This woman deserves perjury charges IMO, because clearly she is lying her head off.

  210. dizzymissl says:

    Oh man, he got her GOOD

  211. John Galt says:

    West uses improper question (calls for speculation) to make argument to the jury. This guy is soooooo good.

  212. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    Witness thinks Trayvon was shot in the back even though he was shot in chest.

  213. Lou says:

    I think she’s a victim of the MSM lies with the pic of little Trayvon.

  214. Josh says:

    Co-worker made a good point. During the 911 call she turned the drama from the incident to herself. There is a person, or persons, in dire need of help and yet she asks for help for herself. She’s definitely so lonely that she is not well.

  215. Lou says:

    perfect time to allow Trayvon’s voice sample. perfect time for bike video exemplar.

  216. moe2004 says:

    West is so good…he got her twisting and turning too.

  217. alan says:

    KUDOS for the 911 operator in being SOOOOpatient…he is the kinda guy I would like for my city. I am a bit puzzled by both her time and distance measurement guesses….also, did the prosecution NOT take the time to send someone up to her window and shoot a pic during the daytime to get a good perspective on what she saw, or could have saw? I think it would have been worth much more than the money they spent on the audio guy

  218. Play the voice of the 15 year old who was on the stand Monday.

  219. Jake1 says:

    West is good, real good. She will be on the defense’s side soon.

  220. dizzymissl says:

    She’s TOAST.

    NEXT

  221. nivico says:

    like pulling teeth to get to answer honestly

  222. recoverydotgod says:

    My husband was singing bass when he was in high school choir

  223. nivico says:

    asked but not answered conclusively

  224. Josh says:

    How can she not know about the changing of a male’s voice?
    She is showing herself to be hostile. Good.
    The jury WILL see through her.

  225. tara says:

    W18 just killed what little credibility she had by refusing to admit that teenage boys can have deep voices.

  226. boutis says:

    “I guess so” is not going to go over so well with the jury. She is a superficial observer and poor witness.

  227. FlConservative says:

    Wow! Did Debbie just over rule a prosecution objection?

  228. janc1955 says:

    This chick does NOT want to admit that the deeper voice could have been Trayvon’s, and the meeker voice was Zimmerman’s. She is going to try to have the last word on this. Clearly playing for Team Skittles.

    • jello333 says:

      And you know what else this is doing? It’s getting the message out there that Trayvon had a deeper voice than George. Without having yet got Trayvon’s voice on-record, the Defense is already putting in the jurors’ heads, “Trayvon’s voice was deeper than George’s.”

  229. Sha says:

    Gracie is there for George…………….. They can’t put them all out. :D

  230. mrsqt says:

    Ugh!!! Can.not.stand.her! It is OBVIOUS she is pro-prosecution and prefers to slant her answers to help them rather than to be honest. She is LYING…NEXT!

  231. nivico says:

    it’s good they had Chad on the stand already

    the jury has already heard a fifteen year old with a very deep voice

  232. dizzymissl says:

    Time to let it go Don. You got her.

  233. AE says:

    I think it looks bad when the state witnesses constantly try to shut down the defense and prevent them from getting answers. If you’re just trying to relay what you saw with no bias, why would you suddenly become a stubborn, tight-lipped prick when the defense in asking questions?

    • janc1955 says:

      Yep. And I hope the defense, in their closing, points this out. It goes to the whole lynch mob aspect of this case.

      • recoverydotgod says:

        Goes back to the opening where Don West said something to the effect he has never seen anything like it with so many witnesses lawyering up.

  234. tara says:

    Hey W18, if you answer the questions honestly, as you are supposed to do, they’ll be done with you much more quickly.

  235. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Why did witness 18 insist on being interviewed by the FDLE ONLY in the presence of her attorney?

  236. clerkdante says:

    Defense is just dominating on cross.

  237. Yakmaster says:

    She’s the InArtful Dodger. Just like witness one.

  238. ZurichMike says:

    That’s it! She’s toast. Two voice. Two people. Never heard before. Couldn’t see. Unreliable.

    Now get some therapy, honey.

  239. pet says:

    No wonder she she told dispatch she had no family or friends. What a complete ditzo.

    • janc1955 says:

      Yep. Why the hell would you tell a stranger that? “I’m all alone in the world, wah wah wah.” How very odd. She seems absolutely pathetically desperate. Ordinarily I’d have some compassion for her, but not when she’s perfectly content to take a ride on the Orange Blossom Special.

  240. John Galt says:

    I think now comes evidence of the post event imprinting. red hollister shirt photo, etc.

  241. HughStone says:

    The jury will see the way she is being evasive. they will get mad.

  242. LetJusticePrevail says:

    WHY was witness 18 angry at Natalie Jackson for revealing to the Police that witness 18 had given a sworn statement to a Private Investigator hired by Natalie Jackson?

  243. Ebidence says:

    She keeps looking at the prosecution, I don’t like it.
    I’m guessing she feels really guilty that she didn’t help (even though I don’t think she could have) and she thinks this is her way of helping now. So she’s made up things to remember that help trademark.

  244. Tz says:

    Another witness who only became a witness after Trayvon became a cause celebre

  245. AE says:

    The dispatcher and the neighborhood watch coordinator were the best witnesses so far. Notice how they were helpful to everyone and answered the questions fully and honestly for the prosecution AND the defense. And notice how when a witness is being full and honest, Zimmerman actually looks good. The only way the state can attack Zimmerman is through these biased witnesses who slant the truth.

  246. ZurichMike says:

    And her not having children will probably not sit well with the moms on the jury thinking “look her, all blonde and gussied up, and she says she works with kids and yet can’t say that some kids have deep voices.

    • Ebidence says:

      In voir dire most jurors said they were aware that GZ was arrested after there were “demonstrations”. With that in mind, and seeing how the honest witnesses end up helping the defense & the witnesses who help the state are not credible based on their inability to concede on the smallest of points (COULD a 17 year old have a deep voice?) and/or have been caught lying after state tampering I think they will start to wonder WTF is going on… he shouldn’t have been arrested and now the state is trying to present their non-case.

  247. LetJusticePrevail says:

    How many TV interviews did witness 18 give?

    How many times did her attorney give interviews to the media?

  248. rejoicenhim says:

    No-limit would be offended by this lady describing his voice as soft

  249. John Galt says:

    Serino is a lady cop. Wow, who knew.

  250. ZurichMike says:

    Oh, that’s why she wanted to be a witness. She wanted a police officer to come to her apartment. Jeez, honey. All you have to do is go to a bar.

  251. Josh says:

    Oooh, an officer in her home. Wonder if she ever changed out of her PJs.

  252. TandCrumpettes says:

    Jane is suffering from LMS, or “Lifetime Movie Syndrome.” As we all know, a Lifetime movie is rarely ever about the 7-year-old cancer victim, but rather the harrowing story of a mother, who has a 7-year-old child with cancer.

    Here, Jane’s “Lifetime movie” is the harrowing story of a concerned neighbor who proactively dialed 911 for aid, because the stress of witnessing a violent event was just too much for her to bear. Did you hear how rather shocked she sounded that she wasn’t the only neighbor to call 911?

    Clinically, this is called “egocentrism” but I prefer LMS. One day it’ll make it into the textbooks.

    • HughStone says:

      HAHA

    • ZurichMike says:

      Thanks for that! It’s a keeper: “Lifetime Movie Syndrome” — I know a few people like that.

      • TandCrumpettes says:

        Yes, I prefer it over “egocentrism.” Often people have to ask, “ego-whose-a-whats-it?” Say, “Lifetime Movie Syndrome,” they know JUST what you’re talking about.

        I hope the jury has no sufferers: The harrowing story of a juror, torn in a struggle between a mother’s vengeance, and facts.

        I hope the jury remembers, “this is not about you.”

    • froggielegs says:

      LOL LMS Good one!!

  253. LetJusticePrevail says:

    What was witness 18’s motive for making a statement to Natalie Jackson’s Private Investigator, but INSISTING that it not be given to the police?

    Why make a statement, if it wasn’t intended for use by the police?

    • nivico says:

      They really do need to point out on cross every state witness who was contacted by the Scheme Team… to get it in the jury’s mind that there is a reason these folks’ statements have evolved.

      (*and to get it on the record for any future civil actions brought by George against the schemers or vice versa)

      This woman, after interacting with the ST, now won’t even admit to what she was recorded telling the 911 operator… she offered to open the window to hear better, and now she’s claiming it was already open and doesn’t know why she would have said that at the time?!

  254. ZurichMike says:

    West needs shirts with a slightly smaller collar. He looks like he’s swimming in his shirt.

  255. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    She was mad Serino didn’t go up to her bedroom (to look out the window).

  256. eastern2western says:

    don should ask her about the ac 360 interview.

  257. clerkdante says:

    More tears from Sybrina as she watches the $$$ disappear.

  258. froggielegs says:

    GROSS!!! With all the money $ybrina has made over this, you would think she could afford a Kleenex!!! She just wiped her nose on her hand/arm like a 2 year old!!!

  259. waltherppk says:

    She propositioned Serino to come upstairs to her bedroom so she could show him her vantage point but Serino said no thank you.

  260. Lou says:

    she does seem like she will be on TV after this case is over talking about the young boy screaming.

    this is so messed up that Sybrina hid Trayvon’s voice from the public.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      She has already made several TV appearances, in disguise.

      • janc1955 says:

        In disguise. Further evidence she’s in desperate need of attention.

        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          She originally told the 911 operator that she did not want to be used as a witness. She later got angry when Natalie Jackson handed her SECOND sworn statement (Made to Natalie’s PI) to Law Enforcement. She ALSO insisted that the FDLE interview her at her attorney’s office. And, as West noted, she remarked about the fact that Serino had not gone upstairs to check out her “vantage point”. What West did NOT mention is that she had commented that Serino had told her “the person screaming for help was not the person who died.” when he was trying to comfort (what he thought) was an emotionally upset woman.

          Now, I bet if you examined her past, she has a history of dislike or distrust for police, and probably identifies with the Martin Family and their “Victim Status” of supposedly always being given short shrift at the hands of the police. Seems like the perennial “White Guilter” to me.

          Quick to criticize the police, quick to speak to the media (and not correct them when they said she complained about Serino not being thorough) and trying to work with Trayvon Martin’s family “on the sly” by making a second sworn statement to a PI hired by them.

      • Ebidence says:

        Who is she scared of that she wants to be in disguise? Oh, I know who.

  261. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Why would she want to give a statement (presumably for the use of the Martin Family attorneys) and get angry when it was given to the police?

    Was she trying to hide the fact that she was pumping info to the family’s attorneys?

    • ctdar says:

      Def needs to ask each state witness whether or not they were approached by the Martin family lawyer firm park & rump at any point since 2/26/12.

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Oh hell yes! I have been saying the same thing for a year:

        Witness 8: totally owned and manipulated by Ben Crump
        Witness 5 and 16: appeared on TV with Ben Crump during presser
        Witness 14 (and Mom): represented by Alisia Adamson, former employee of Ben Crump
        Witness 18: Made statement to PI hired by Natalie Jackson

        HOW MANY OTHERS THAT WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT?

  262. Josh says:

    The State wants her off the stand. She is (also) hurting their case :-)

  263. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    Bingo!!

  264. Josh says:

    She not only saw it – she probably recorded it.

  265. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    You went on television twice is that right?

    NO.

    You went on with Ashley Banfield is that correct?

    Busted

  266. yankeeintx says:

    Gladys Kravitz really, really wanted to get involved in this. Couldn’t stay in her condo, had to go outside so neighbors could see how hysterical she was, and be dragged to a police officer. They jury knows she lying when she states that she has worked with teens, but only “guesses” that their voice can change.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      LOL @ Gladys Kravitz!

      Is that Aunt Clara seated at the bench, polishing her doorknobs?

    • ZurichMike says:

      Except even Mrs. Kravitz had a husband at least: “Abner, come quick. There’s something fishy going on over at the Stevens’s!”

    • FedUp says:

      Yup every time she wanted to avoid the truth she said I guess so.

      • nivico says:

        Even the crime scene technician yesterday was like that (paraphrasing)

        State: is this the skittles, the lighter, the button, the swabs, etc etc etc

        Smith: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, …. and all smiles interacting with Guy.

        Defense: Are these Martin’s pants?

        Smith: They look similar. Scowl on her face.

  267. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Didn’t she also complain that Serino tried to influence her statement by telling her that the person screaming for help was not the person who died?

    Was it HER that made this accusation, or was it the MEDIA who spread that idea?

  268. janc1955 says:

    I hope the defense objects … YAY!! Leading! YAY!

    • John Galt says:

      BDLR asks a compound leading question. Objection. Sustained. BDLR follows up with a non-compound leading question. lol

  269. Josh says:

    Now she says it was NOT pouring down rain?

  270. Lou says:

    when the Judge asked “Does anybody need a break?” did she answer yes?

  271. gannasview says:

    I guarantee the women on this jury can see through her assumptions! Maybe she and DD can get a drank together to calm their nerves!

  272. dizzymissl says:

    Another State witness for the defense.

    Thanks Bernie!!!!!!!

  273. Cyber says:

    I’d much rather read these posts as they happen in real time than actually watch the trial itself. This is much better!

  274. HughStone says:

    Her shirt will not go over with the jury. It looks to “Real Housewives of whatever”-ish.

  275. tara says:

    She made a face at Bernie on her way out which I would describe as “this didn’t go well”.

  276. “…Surdyka, 26, a substitute Orange County school teacher and a Maitland resident, has neither.

    ”I’m about two minutes behind the best women in the country, and the difference is they are sponsored and I’m not,” Surdyka said. ”I don’t mean to be weird about it, but most of the top competitors receive a full-time salary and are paid to fly around the country to compete…..”

    Yes honey, you are weird.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1985-07-21/sports/0310380275_1_triathlon-surdyka-running-shoes

    • clerkdante says:

      “‘I couldn’t believe it,” Surdyka said. ”At first, I thought someone had deliberately taken my shoes. I was so upset that I wanted to chase them down and see if I could beat them.”

      Wanted to chase someone down and beat them. Seems she had some things in common with Traydmark. :)

    • John Galt says:

      “I’m about two minutes behind the best women in the country, and the difference is they are sponsored and I’m not,”

      So second rate athletes don’t get sponsored? Got it. I was wondering why Nike has never called me.

  277. arkansasmimi says:
    • arkansasmimi says:

      according to Dman I think its BRANDI GREEN!

      This is not finished and is a work in progress(which means I will be adding and changing this blog or any other blog I do which states “work in progress” as time goes on) yet but this is what I got for the Civilian list on the Discovery. W4, W7 And W10 are Brandy Green, Chad Green and someone else(still trying to figure that one out,Cheryl Brown?).

      • arkansasmimi says:

        Sorry, guess I was off and but it wont be Chad
        First A-Z List

        W1 B, Female
        W2 B, Female
        W3 B, Female
        W4 Brown, Cheryl
        W5 Cutcher, Mary
        W6 G, John
        W7 Green, Brandy
        W8 DeeDee (p.36/284)
        W9 Johnson, Christina
        W10 Chad [Green]
        W11 L, Female
        W12 Wife of W13
        W13 Guy who went outside
        W14 McClendon, Austin (p33/284)
        W15 Sister of 14
        W16 Mora, Selma

  278. eastern2western says:

    me not want to be witness for police, but me went on ac 360 for multiple interviews after the case became a national obsession. me school teacher, but me always believe black teenage kids have soft high pitch voices. give me a break in here because she is hiding some weird crap behind her propaganda.

  279. FlConservative says:

    I suspect the mature better educated mothers on the jury are going to have nothing but contempt for this woman. She thinks she knows what happened and wanted to make sure her, and the prosecution’s, version of events is established as the truth. West exposed her for the lying hysterical harpy that she is.

  280. waltherppk says:

    Another Barbie on the barbie …Told you West was going to be barbecuing …more to go

    • ZurichMike says:

      You need to go into comedy. I really, truly laugh out loud when I read some of your comments! This is so much better than watching the live video, but I have both running side by side (two separate browsers open) so I don’t have to flip from screen to posts.

  281. rejoicenhim says:

    In between the “I guess’ “, & contradictions, she did manage to say the one on top had on a dark shirt.

    • ZurichMike says:

      True that, or, as Crump would say, “true dat” before accusing you of being a racist for mentioned the color of the shirt.

      • rejoicenhim says:

        haha… I have to admit that I’ve actually picked up the term “true that” but that’s incorrect ebonics.

        • ZurichMike says:

          Brush up on your ebonics vocab for other witnesses to come:
          1. HOTEL – I gave my girlfriend da crabs and the HOTEL everybody.

          2. RECTUM – I had two Cadillacs, but my ol’ lady RECTUM both.

          3. DISAPPOINTMENT – My parole officer tol me if I miss DISAPPOINTMENT they gonna send me back to the big house.

          4. FORECLOSE – If I pay alimony this month, I’ll have no money FORECLOSE.

          5. CATACOMB – Don King was at the fight the other night, Man, somebody give that CATACOMB.

          6. PENIS – I went to da doctor and he handed me a cup and said PENIS.

          7. ISRAEL – Alonso tried to sell me a Rolex, I said Man, that looks fake. He said, No, ISRAEL.

          8. UNDERMINE – There is a fine lookin’ hoe livin’ in the apartment UNDERMINE.

          9. TRIPOLI – I was gonna buy my old lady a bra but I couldn’t find no TRIPOLI.

          10. STAIN – My mother-in-law axed if I was STAIN for dinner again.

          11. SELDOM – My cousin gave me two tickets to the Knicks game, so I SELDOM.

          12. ODYSSEY – I told my bro, you ODYSSEY the tits on this hoe.

          13. HORDE – My sister got into trouble because she HORDE around in school.

          14. INCOME – I just got in bed wit dis hoe and INCOME my wife.

          15. HONOR – At the rape trial, the judge axed my buddy, who be HONOR first?

          16. FORTIFY – I axed da hoe how much? And she say FORTIFY.

  282. Yakmaster says:

    Bet the State is ever-so-grateful for NatJack and Crumpster’s witness tampering in this case. (Like they didn’t realize it before hrrrrmph.) I’m liking the ‘what goes around, comes around’ aspect playing out here in the public arena.

    • auscitizenmom says:

      Bet they didn’t expect George not to plea. Bet they didn’t expect to have to go to trial. Bet they didn’t expect to have to do all this lyin’ and cheatn’ out in the open, on TV. Bet they didn’t count on the CTH to take such an active interest. (snicker)

  283. howie says:

    Stealth witness #2 down in flames.

  284. waltherppk says:

    Jane should hook up with Mary and Selma

  285. HughStone says:

    w10 refresher anyone.

  286. sjd12 says:

    Ehhh, I’m not too happy with how that testimony turned out. I think it was brutally obvious that this witness saw nothing, heard little, and could not support the claim that George was not acting in self-defense; yet, after weeks, months, a year of gathering info, her perceptions of the night’s events have changed dramatically and in favor of the State.

    In her original audio tape to dispatch, she could not see anything because it was too dark. Those are her words. She could hear voices, a deeper, more aggressive one and a higher pitched one. She now claims that she knows without a doubt who those voices belong to despite never meeting either George or Trayvon; despite never hearing either George or Trayvon’s voices.

    She did an excellent job at eluding West. West said, “You’re making assumptions that have no factual basis.” She said, “I’m just telling you what I think.” She was clearly coached up, and she is obviously smart enough not to dig herself into a hole. Nevertheless, I thought West should have gone for the throat and made it very clear to the jury that she knew nothing originally, then decided at some point after the fact that she DID actually know something.

  287. froggielegs says:

    She must not of been a very good teacher if she didn’t know her male students voices got deeper around 16- 17 years old. Course we all know she was evading the answer because it didn’t fit the po black chil being hunted down like a rabid dog and killed scenario.

  288. eastern2western says:

    jane seems to be a woman who wants to reclaim the glory days that she once had.

  289. clerkdante says:

    Ugh, I hate recess and listening to this dopes try to justify her bullshit.

  290. talkaftercarefulthought says:

    too bad that witness didn’t see the going to fight a person a second time “because he didn’t bleed enough the first time” TXT she liked to use the word aggressive.. I’d ask her if she considers that aggressive

  291. ZurichMike says:

    What is Little Debbie wearing around her neck? A necklace or is that another collar from her collection of clown shirts?

  292. Noted that the dispatcher “ordered” Ms. S to step away from the window, call a friend, wait inside her unit until police arrived. Apparently she did not step away from the window, and did go outside, disregarding the dispatcher’s “orders”. She is now presumed guilty for opening her door when told not to.

  293. eastern2western says:

    how many celeb witnesses are going to have?

  294. maggiemoowho says:

    Can the defence bring up prior statements that a witness made to the media when questioning.

  295. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    I wonder what the joke was with the Fulton/Martin/Parks group as they came in the courtroom.

  296. Lou says:

    she dressed like a slob for Court.

  297. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Witness 12, wife of witness 13.

  298. Josh says:

    Now on the stand: Jeannee Manalo

  299. arkansasmimi says:

    WHAT THE HELL?? The WHOLE Martin Family walk in AFTER JURY was seated, and RIGHT BEFORE THIS WITNESS!!!

  300. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Now Bernie will solicit some false testimony that he FORCED out of this woman by “confusing her” during his visit to RTL during mid-march

  301. dizzymissl says:

    Wife of the guy who took the photo?

  302. jeff b. says:

    It was a litto Wainy outside

  303. arkansasmimi says:
  304. John Galt says:

    7:05 – 7:10 – 7:15 Which?

    • howie says:

      She heard the shot when she pressed 911. According to her. Whatever time that is. Then looked out and saw the aftermath. Seems pretty clear. She is a neurotic nut case and was gotten hold of by the schemers looks like. Wonder if CNN paid her. She did sign an agreement.

  305. sbguy says:

    Day three and the state has almost proved beyond a reasonable doubt that a confrontation occurred and Trayvon Martin was killed.

  306. howie says:

    The 10 minute timeframe puts George staying at the top of the T talking on his phone loudly in the wind. She obviously saw the end where George was on top and then got up. National TV. Has a lawyer? Schemer? Not good for Bernie. More pain than gain.

  307. Josh says:

    “a little rainy”
    “I heard a howling…”
    Too dark to see

  308. howie says:

    No #8. They must be trying to sober her up.

  309. John Galt says:

    You heard a struggle? What did that sound like? strugglings.

  310. LetJusticePrevail says:

    FROM HER RECORDED INTERVIEW

    Wit 12: Ah, it was on a Sunday at 7:15, around 7:15. It was…

    Speaker: 7:15?

    Wit 12: 7:15, 7:10… around that time.

    Speaker: OK, and was it, how would you describe the uh the lighting conditions outside?

    Wit 12: That time, it’s, it’s dark. It’s not on the ah daytime hour or whatever.

    Speaker: OK.

    Wit 12: Um, our porchlight wasn’t on, and I really couldn’t really see anything on the first glance. On the second glance, that’s when I saw the two shadow, close to our (unintelligible)

    Speaker: OK, so the first thing that your attention was drawn to was just a… a noise?

    Wit 12: Yeah,

    Speaker: OK, how would you describe that noise?

    Wit 12: At first it sounded like a howl, like a dog howling like a, a LOUD howl.

    Speaker: OK, nothing intelligible like the English language or a, a, a, a language?

    Wit 12: No

  311. clerkdante says:

    These “witnesses” just keep getting better and better.

  312. jeff b. says:

    There is no possible conceivable way I see the State put Wit#8 on the stand because she destroys the State’s case completely and even goes as far to reveal that Trayvon was the real aggressor…

  313. sbguy says:

    So the state is calling yet another witness that establishes that Trayvon Martin was on top of George Zimmerman? They should at least do it with jazz hands.

  314. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Speaker: No? Ok, at some point did you hear something that you recognized?

    Wit 12: And then, um, and then… we heard ‘Help’ after the howl. That’s when I looked and didn’t see anything.

    Speaker: And then you looked out…. (wit 12 interrupts)

    Wit 12: I looked straight out…

    Speaker: …your living room window and at that point you didn’t see anything?

    Wit 12: I didn’t see anything

    Speaker: OK.

    Wit 12: And then I heard a shot… we heard a shot.

    Speaker: And how many shots did you hear?

    Wit 12: Just one.

    Speaker: OK. And… did you look out your window a second time?

    Wit 12: When we heard the shot I looked out and that’s when I saw a sha… ah two men on the g, on, on the grass.

    Speaker: OK, you saw two people?

    Wit 12: Two people

    Speaker: And were they both on the ground?

    Wit 12: No. One was on top of the other. I don’t know which one.

  315. tara says:

    The comments here today are hilarious! My eyes are constantly watering from laughing so hard.

  316. FrenchPug says:

    Martin didn’t have grass on his back did he?

  317. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Speaker: OK, were you… were you able to tell, from where you were looking, through your ah living room window, what these people were wearing?

    Wit 12: All I saw while, while they were on the ground was dark colors. I don’t know what… what… it’s just dark.

    Speaker: OK, so you… you wouldn’t be able to tell what, describe what color or what.. it…a description of their clothing?

    Wit 12: No I couldn’t

    Speaker: You just saw two figures on the ground?

    Wit 12: It was pretty dark, back then, about seven…

    Speaker: Ok, and you said at that point your husband had gone out?

    Wit 12: That… out… right after we heard the shot I told my husband ‘There’s a man, there’s people over there. He… that… he went outside. I looked out again and there was a man talking to my husband.

    Speaker: OK. Was, were you, were you able to tell if the person your husband was speaking to was one of the people who was on the ground?

    Wit 12: No

    Speaker: No? OK. When you were… when you looked out the window again was your husband speaking to one individual and one person was STILL on the ground?

    Wit 12: Yes.

    Speaker: OK. Did you, at some point, after looking out the window that third time, did you leave your house?

    Wit 12: No.

    Speaker: No. You never

    Wit 12: No

    Speaker: OK. So you never actually went outside?

    Wit 12: I did not go outside.

  318. dizzymissl says:

    Hands moving in a pummeling motion.

    Who has lumps on their head?

    Why are we even doing this?

  319. She knows what she saw after watching the news.

  320. AlphaWookie says:

    After seeing the news LOL

  321. eastern2western says:

    6’3” vs 5’8”. which one is bigger?

  322. Tz says:

    Do the prosecutors even realize Zimmerman’s defense is that he was getting the crap beat out of him. state keeps bringing up people who testify to seeing ground and pound! It’s pathetic

  323. sjd12 says:

    Is this really happening…? The prosecution called a witness who watched Martin raining punches down while standing overtop of George?

    Do they understand that they’re trying to disprove the notion that George was acting in self-defene…? Has anybody told them that yet?

  324. sbguy says:

    The funny thing is that after this objection, the only thing the State will have established is that one guy was on top beating the other guy who was just laying there. Atta boy, Bernie! Atta boy!

  325. clerkdante says:

    “When I was looking at it, I saw someone beating someone else, after the media told me what to believe, Zimmerman is a murderer!”

    Anyone else notice her repeatedly trying to answer questions before they’ve been asked? Another coaching.

  326. dizzymissl says:

    Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 1m
    This is the witness who initially told police she was not sure who was on top but after seeing photos on TV now thinks it was #Zimmerman.

  327. Ebidence says:

    Did anyone see what Bernie just did there?
    “did you see height?” (flap)
    “or size?” (flap)
    “or weight?” (flap)

  328. sbguy says:

    WTF, judge? WTF?