Looks like there is enough votes to pass the bill. Another defeat for fiscal conservatives and our great-great-great grandchildren.
House now voting on debate rule for the Senate-passed fiscal cliff bill. Once approved, House begins hour debate on that, no amendments.—
Mark Knoller (@markknoller) January 02, 2013
Full House vote on Senate-passed "fiscal cliff" bill expected around 10:30 p.m. or 11:00 p.m. bit.ly/UBPlZQ—
The Hill (@thehill) January 02, 2013
Source close to whip process tells me that Boehner knows he has enough votes to get Senate deal through w/ Dems, now wooing a few undecideds—
Robert Costa (@robertcostaNRO) January 02, 2013
Meeting Adjourned - House Republican leaders will assess support within their conference for two options on the Senate’s “fiscal cliff” compromise before deciding whether to try to amend the legislation and send it back to the upper chamber, lawmakers and aides said.
The two choices: amend the bill with spending cuts — likely killing it for the 112th Congress — or vote to adopt the Senate measure and send it to President Obama for his signature.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/286270841434537985
GOP leaders plan to reconvene the rank-and-file around 5 p.m. TODAY !!
Two choices for House GOP: Amend budget bill with spending cuts – likely killing it – or adopt Senate compromise bit.ly/UBPlZQ—
The Hill (@thehill) January 02, 2013
Rep. Nugent says Boehner told members that if amendment didn't get 218 votes, he would personally vote yes on unamended Senate bill—
Russell Berman (@russellberman) January 02, 2013
GOP leaders will count votes for adding spending cuts to Senate bill.If they don't have 218 for amdt they will bring Senate bill up 4 vote—
Jill Jackson (@jacksonjk) January 01, 2013
Speaker Boehner and I are working with House Leadership and our conference to find best path forward.—
Eric Cantor (@GOPLeader) January 01, 2013
4:15 pm According to sources in the room, Cantor said that he did not “support” the Senate-backed bill but stopped short of saying he would vote against it if the House took it up on the floor.
Boehner told his conference that he was “shocked” that so many Senate Republicans voted for the bill, but he would not indicate how he felt personally about the direction the House should move in. (link)
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No excuses not to have your voice heard. You don’t have to agree with my personal view; heck, I really don’t care. If you want them to vote yes, then call and tell them. BUT if you want them to be fiscally responsible – call and tell them that urgently.
Excellent idea – work teh twittah!!!
Damn I thought we might be getting screwed but I did not think it would be by this much…
Hang on guys…Hang on Tight…
Switchboard BUSY ! Personal Rep mailbox full in DC, also full in Local Office with no-one working !!! arrrrrrgh !!!
Sending Faxes and E-Mails and will Try the Facebook.
Makes me wonder if some of the Reps have turned off their email inboxes. With a feedbag this large waving in the wind I’m betting that many a Senator has his finger in the fiscal pie, in something this large it would be about as easy to find out where the money’s going as it would be in the first huge stimulus-theft Obama threw on their desks on the night before everyone was supposed to vote on it. One of my favorite observations: “Nobody leaves the House or Senate with less money than they went in with.”
I emailed my rep but if he’s as prompt in answering on this as he has ben with past emails the deed will be done and the money will be long gone.
One thing is certain, most of the staff took the day(s) off.
I gots a feelin’ that a dirty deal was worked long before the vote was taken. Over the next year we’re gonna have to look to see which Senators and House toads get what favors – like fat ‘speakers’ fees from certain special interest groups holding rubber chicken speacials.
Hey, it’s a government job
E mails sent!
No answer on the phone.
Reblogged this on LadyRaven's Whisky In A Jar – OH! and commented:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/jan/1/deficit-fiscal-cliff-bill-actually-spends-330-bill/
They are shutting us out.
They are indeed trying like hell. It’s like they are intentionally staying silent trying to wait us out… But DON’T GIVE UP. Use a Fax if you can, or use a free on line fax service. Just keep trying….. Now is not the time to complain. Stay positive and find ways around their roadblocks. You are smarter than the dunderheads.
THEY WORK FOR YOU.
Best quote of the day from a T-Party house Rep…..What a bunch of tired octenegarians over in the Senate….
Done!
Hello cash business.
Yep. Black Market will spring up. Wonder if the GOP is really going to pull the trigger and become the neo-whigs.
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Ya can fool all the people sometimes………….
Cantor openly opposing, to propose amendments.
This bill is suicide. All they have to do is let the cliff happen. They get a real spending cut. They can then pass a real tax cut bill and send it to the Senate. The Crats are already committed for at least the 450k level. To pass this scam is Obamacide. The Libs are salivating for it. Shut em down.
Deny a Debt ceiling increase to turn their lights out, refuse to appropriate any continuing resolution without budget reconciliation process and tell the Nazicrats to stuff it …..spell DEFAULT so it can be understood and see how long the people yelling “pay me” take being given a deaf ear by those turkeys who think no budget is needed. Shut them down. Shut down Washington for a month and see if they want to talk sense in February.
I wish. I only wish. Now or never.
The Crats and RINOS are trying to cram it down while everyone is recovering from the Holidays.
This is funny. The Leftist Skunks on CNN are all worried for the Republicans getting blamed. What a Frickin Joke. The Left is terrified of the “Cliff”….Us ….not so much. It is a 10% real immediate spending cut. We need it. Couple tax points are no biggies if ya know how to work your return.
Folks, if you are having problems getting thru it is not that they are shutting you out – it is because people are burning up the lines! One more good avenue – tweets – they DO pay attention to tweets I promise you!
First list here is EASY to use – write your tweet then copy/paste 3/4/5 reps addys in at a time. I will apologize now but the NEWBIES are not on the list – I’m still working on it.
And this list is Republicans ONLY.
http://ladyravensaspirincabinet.wordpress.com/house-twitter-copypaste/
This second list has the Democrats phone #’s individually but no twitter.
The Republicans on this list have both.
http://ladyravensaspirincabinet.wordpress.com/house-twitterphone-list/
Great thing about using twitter is they do NOT know what area of the country you are from so you can tweet at every damn one of them!
Boehner – “but he would not indicate how he felt personally about the direction the House should move in.”
Does anyone wonder why we are working so hard to remove this mole as Speaker!
He has got to go.!
I just called and had a relatively long conversation with my rep., personally. He said he was about to go into a meeting on amendments and that they were “shocked” by the pork, etc. in the Senate proposal. He seemed sincere in that sentiment — which blows my mind. He also mentioned the CBO numbers and used the term Bolshevik regime . . . So I think my rep. is good, but we shall see.
Yay callin em like it is. Bolsheviks! 100% Right on.
What state are you in and to whom did you talk?
I tried to put this in a few minutes ago – possibly it being a link stopped it. It is a full list of House Republican’s TWITTER accounts though it does not have the new reps inserted. Still, obviously, it covers the majority. Just create tweet and add 3/4/5 reps at a time. Emails and calls can be ignored if you are not calling your own rep. With tweets they do NOT know who you are therefore you can tweet every one of them. And they DO pay attention to tweets!
http:// ladyravensaspirincabinet.wordpress.com/house-twitter-copypaste/
Omg that Debbie Whats here name Shultz is on next at CNN.
Why on earth do you have CNN on? It’s been proven that it’s an active threat to viewers’ mental health and has only occasional and accidental connection with truth.
My fax to Rep. Boehner, Cantor and McMorris-Rodgers:
[Whip McCarthy doesn't do faxes it appears]
President Obama knows very well, as do you, there is no such thing as a “balanced approach” that will work to address our deficit and spending problems. There are not enough rich, nor enough job creators. President Obama wants enough revenue to pay for his crony spending [and yours if you vote for this]. President Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff, because it is the only way he will get enough revenue to cover all his spending [and yours if you vote for this]. Going over the cliff and raising everyone’s taxes then also raising debt ceiling is President Obama’s solution [and yours if you vote for this]. Raising the debt ceiling keeps us indebted to President Obama’s cronies [and yours if you vote for this]. It is obvious why President Obama, Democratic leadership and Republican leadership unbundled the debt ceiling and taxes. Don’t vote for cronyism. Vote against the crony Senate bill and the crony debt ceiling increase. By the way…MyMoney.gov “Your trusted source for financial information” on the back of my tax refund check envelope is insulting. A government and it’s agencies who won’t balance their own checkbook handing out advice on financial literacy is hypocrisy.
You are U.S. Representatives. The term is 2 years. That is so you can do the right thing by the people and the Republic and go home and carry on the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Outstanding . I am using it.
I just tweeted the following to all three…
Whatever you decide MAKE SURE the DEMS and OBAMA OWN this crap sandwich! DO NOT LET GOP take the BLAME for it’s failure!
Why, it is the fault of the GOP? Nobody is forcing them to vote for it. They were elected to be against it. The GOP owns it and all other spending. They run the House. They control the money.
I really meant Conservatives rather than GOP. My point is just this…right after the election, Sundance posted that we should just let the Dems have everything they want (within reason). It’s a bitter pill and none of us are going to enjoy it, but it’s a like your kids…you need for them to fail to learn and it is apparent to me that people need to see that this stroll down the Communist road will not end well for us. It’s like ripping off a bandaid though and I just would rather them learn this now rather than learn it so far down the road that there will be no going back. The DEMS need to own it. But I know this won’t happen and the stupid GOP will fall right into the trap and when it all goes down and is a complete failure as we all know it will be, the DEMS will say “it only failed because the GOP wouldn’t let us have all we wanted.”
Called my Rep…Who I campaigned for…H3LL he is the only Republican Rep in my state…
I dont know how to tweet though…
Here’s the link to phone and faxes for some of the top Republicans to contact. http://www.grassfire.com/2322/targets.htm
I faxed to the Senate Republicans last night. I am faxing to the Reps now.
Here’s my fax:
NO DEAL on Higher Taxes! Just say NO!
Dear Representative;
I am tired of spending my holidays keeping an eye on you and your shenanigans.
Do you believe in the Constitution or not? Do you believe in Capitalism or not? I’m beginning to believe the horrible theory that you do not. You say you do, but your actions say otherwise.
Do you really believe that our fiscal problem is the fault of too high of taxes? Are you really that mathematically challenged? When has increasing taxes on anyone ever resulted in more “revenue” to the treasury? When are you politicians in D.C. going to quit your crack addicted spending habits that are being funded by taxpayers’ children and grandchildren? We can’t afford you anymore.
I am tired of your excuses. The American people elected Republicans ~and gave them the majority in the House~ because we expected them to STOP the reckless, out of control spending of the Democrats and reign in the rapid expansion of government. You aren’t reigning anything in. You are enabling the President and the Democrats. It is for this reason that I no longer think that you believe in the Constitution and a limited federal government. Why can’t you defend it?
You are participating in the further loss of Liberty by going along with the confiscation of MY private property ~my income~ by your agreement to higher taxes. You are conceding to the Democrats belief that tax cuts don’t work and participating in the class warfare that the Democrats have poisoned the takers in this country with.
Where is your backbone? Where are your principles? You don’t see Obama backing down from his ideology. You don’t see Harry Reid or Pelosi or any of the other Democrats backing down on their ideology no matter how many times they get beat. Where is the budget from Harry Reid? He doesn’t care that he’s violating the Constitution. Apparently you don’t either.
The reason I am a Republican is because it means something. It means Constitutional, limited government. It means defending Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. By your actions, you are making that null and void.
Our Founding Fathers risked everything to birth this great nation; what are you willing to risk to secure it for our kids and grandkids?
My children and grandchildren’s lives and Liberty are at stake. Make Obama and the Democrats own higher taxes like they own Obamacare. Don’t vote for any “deal” that includes tax hikes on anyone. Just go home.
We the People are watching!
They are not abandoning their principles. We’re finding out what their principles are.
Doesn’t seem like they have any principals
The principle was to pretend to be conservative as long as possible.
Oh, of course they do. Even Satan has principles (….to kill and steal and destroy…)
Here are some of the results of their principles:
1. Say whatever is necessary to acquire the votes necessary to get elected.
2. When in office, continue to say those things publicly while developing the skills to survive behind closed doors where the deals are made.
3. When my constituency calls me out, I will use evasive action for as long as possible such as claiming I was misunderstood or that I was lied to; when necessary I will cry in public or act angry in public to prevent my constituents from turning on me completely.
4. When I actually/accidentally achieve a political victory in congress, I will not gloat or claim victory, but will (behind closed doors) trade away my winnings to the opposition.
5. When I routinely achieve public defeat, being bested all sides by my opponents, I will whine about wanting credit for any kind of deal at all, and will blame my base for not being flexible enough.
So the two principles are:
1. Truth is a matter of opinion: so hold truth loosely and adjust it as necessary (both publicly and privately).
2. Taking sides is wrong: so vote with the liars when when they disagree with me.
There are only two principles. And there they are.
Once again you have nailed it.
I always thought Satan’s primary principle was to “tempt.”
you may have a point–with re to “sequence of events”…with the goals being kill, steal….
Actually, I was thinking about the story of Job where Satan (first?) appears and says to God, “Hey, do you think Job will still be loyal to you if we test him (by slaughtering his family and his livestock)?”
Also, IIRC, one of the roots on which “Satan” is based is Hebrew for “The Tempter,” but I forget what it is.
the Hebrew #7854 in Vines reduces it to “adversary” and the Greek #4567 , derived from the Aramaic, goes to “adversary” also. There may be other detail behind all of that, but if we want to get more involved, this would one of those ideal conversations to take to the Chapel (click on the picture in the right margin)….my original thought was simply that we keep in mind that those who are doing stupid, erroneous, destructive do have principles in a negative sense.
A principle is defined as “a comprehensive and fundamental law, doctrine, or assumption; a rule or code of conduct; an underlying faculty (Merriam-Websters actually gives human greed as an example of such an underlying faculty)
My reason for wanting to make the point is that we ought not to underestimate the broad foundation upon which deliberately, habitually deceptive people operate. It’s deep. It’s intentional. It’s practiced. It’s focused. It is NOT because of the pressure of the moment. There is something driving it.
Damn, Sharon. You have my attention. Not too many folks use Strong’s in a post.
^^meant in regard to moral principles
….but don’t you see that these ARE their “moral principles….”??? Unless you thinking of “moral principles” as always good….didn’t mean to pick at you!
Their political principles and their public, political morals are on brilliant display today for all to see.
No worries; I’ve always equivocated morals and principles as one in the same so to me one either has principles or they don’t.
Well, ctdar, the detail I’m trying to get at is that “principles” are not inherently good: Adolph Hitler had principles. Moamar Qhaddafi had principles.
Principles can be good or bad. Morals can be good or bad. They are not inherently good.
The freeloaders that form obama’s base have principles–one of their primary ones being that the boundaries regulating personal property and ownership rights (to money or stuff) do not apply to them. That’s a “working principle” that drives much of their way of living and certainly fuels their demands.
You got it. They are not what they pretend to be are they?
I just saw they are going to either add a few cuts and send it back or join the socialists and pass it.
I just tweeted a bunch of Republicans – “If you can’t vote NO – vote PRESENT. Make them own it. NO GOP support.”
I just finished tweeting (“Per CBO cost of Senate Bill $4 Trillion SAY NO!”) to EVERY House Republican. If you were to go to my @ you could just hit RT and get the message to every one of them in about 5-7 minutes. Doing RT’s is FAST! @ladyravensdc
Done.
Done!
To GOP: Don’t do it! Don’t jump. It is not as bad as it seems. Now come back in the window. Ignore that screaming crowd of Democrats in the street.
Tea Party Patriots weigh in:
http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=378811b3c052d40a005861416&id=926800e9b5&e=797d3b81d0
A tweet by @jamiedupree 32 minutes ago – @jamiedupree – “GOP lawmakers were tight lipped as they left their meeting, but it looks like we are headed for votes tonight.” Right now they are doing other business.
You can follow live ->>> http://www. house.gov/content/features/story2/
Can it get any more clear who’s side of the isle Boehner is on?
Since I am no longer a Republican I have no faith in them. They will prolly go right along to get rid of the 2nd amendment too. They betrayed all who backed them. This is the birth of the neo-whigs. They will begone in 14 as the socialists consolidate. Boner has a late date with Pelosi no doubt. I just wish the T-Party Reps. would bail and form up an new party. I hope those who thought that it was a good idea to try and reform the GOP from within are getting a 3am wake up call. Including Rush. It is one of his 1% mistakes.
Howie, Did you really join the Constitution Party?
Sure did got my card.
Until the American people can affect an arrest of members of Congress who violate the oath of office, nothing will EVER change. Since they are all liars and crooks, there is no way to impeach any of these dirty rotten scoundrels. In spite of what they say, NONE of them abide by the oath of office.
We truly have no way of enforcing our Constitution any longer. The vote means NOTHING.
And there you have it. The last stand is Criminal Law. But as it looks in Zimmerman they are trying to change that too.
I think I can say with reasonable certainty that the Founders NEVER considered that a time would come when every single Congressman and Senator would violate the oath of office.
Not only does it seem improbable that could occur, it actually defies logic that one hundred percent of them would do that. What are the odds that would ever happen?
The huge issue is that there is NOTHING in current law that allows us to do anything about it. The vote was so important that they never considered that it could become null and void in preserving the Republic.
So, realistically, what can we do that does not require a revolution on some level? IDK, Howie. This is a mighty grim picture we’re looking at.
I forgot to ask if you can change parties online. I do not want to ever be contacted by the Republican Party again for anything whatsoever.
You have to print out a form online and mail it.
No worries. Miss Lindesy Graham is going to fight hard on the debt ceiling….:) a good joke to cheer you up. Gallows humor.
Well this was all a big waste of energy. Boner wins out he is joining the socialists. Now we know what the Republicans are. They are Democrats.
http://www.constitution-party.net/party_platform.php
Jamie Dupree has updates – including pic of pizza for dinner. They are expecting it to be after midnight before vote.
Yeah howie – Boehner turned a long time ago.
https://twitter.com/jamiedupree (whether you are on twitter or not you can still read tweets)
Oh–thank you for the twitter feed link—
ADD: oh, I’m bummed. That’s all of Jamie Dupree’s tweets, I see. I thought it was a feed of twitters being sent to the House (My ignorance is howing…no worry!) …..thanks for your contributions to the thread.
They are back – http://www.house.gov/content/features/story2/
Breaking: House Republican Leaders determine they are really Democrats. Raising taxes on the rich and increasing spending is the new improved GOP platform.
C-span online reporting vote approx 11:30 p.m. EST.
Looks like the boy kings dreams will come true, he was right to be an arrogant pric@?
Uggghhh.
Lights out.
just reported on my local news that CNN states that was passed.
Well they have done their dirty deed. Weaklings they are, with no backbone.
A coup? We are officially socialist now. RIP USA. How bi-partisanly apparent. Hide Wallets!
And that marks the end of the Republican party but they are just too stupid to know it.
Ya mean the Whigs?
Yes hide wallets among other things.
Funny, I’ve not crossed a border, yet the country I’m living in now isn’t the one I was born in.
I’m old enough now that I don’t worry for myself…. But I pity the young, and those with children.
The future isn’t what it used to be.
I know. I am trying to adjust. I am amazed at the changes since I was a kid. They are gonna be cyberkids. They all walk around following their cellphone. Never looking up. Maybe they will all have implants in the future. I can see it coming. Just like the Borg.
You nailed it. I am 66 and, in a sense, have no skin in the game. None of this affects me adversely to any great degree but I have 2 daughters and 2 grandchildren. The best I can do is educate them about what to do when the end gets near.
Hang on to your faith and keep it burning within your heart, and as Sundance told me once surround yourself with good friends….
I think that those of us who keep the faith and have good friends will survive no matter what…
But like you I do fear for the generations following us…Hopefully our kids are old enough to remember the true America schools and we taught them about and will keep the true history in their hearts and minds. For it will be up to them to keep this alive in our grandkids and great grand kids and generations down the line to fight the fight that seems to lay ahead..
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