12-1 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

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143 Responses to 12-1 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. rumpole2 says:

    Thanks to Donald West… Christmas might come early for George

    Scheme Team – Unwrapped before Christmas

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    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      Thank you so much for sharing this hilarious video. I can barely type because I am convulsing with laughter and my eyes are all teared up! After fighting the good fight for months at the HP, I come here for encouragement. You just gave me enough steam for about another month!

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    • froggielegs says:

      Funniest video I have seen! I have watched it 4 times already and still laugh just as hard each time LOL

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      • froggielegs says:

        BDLR riding the violin like a horse kills me LOL Yes I had to watch it one more time before I shut off my computer LOL Rumpole you’re the best!

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    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Rumpole – Thanks! Yes, I admit to watching it a few times myself. But, as this case develops, I don’t think Bernie will be “singing” much longer for Corey – for obvious reasons!!

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      • rumpole2 says:

        Actually….. places on the JibJab Scheme Team are limited to 5.
        So…. places on these vids are hotly contended… If one (say Bernie) becomes less of a player… he can easily be replaced :D

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    • nameofthepen says:

      This video rulz, Rumpole! :D

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  2. rumpole2 says:

    They just don’t get it over at JQ :D
    They applaud Tracy for not supplying phone PIN… it’s a private phone.. Trayvon is the victim???

    And as far as Dee Dee interview not made available by Crump:

    “concernedczen” posts:
    “This is all such nonsense as the witness is available for deposition.

    They can interview her and make another recording at that time”

    Where would you start if you wanted to have a discussion about the case with these people?? :D

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    • floridianne says:

      Lalaland?

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    • Arkindole says:

      “Where would you start…?”
      Very heavy sedation.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      Where would you start..

      Nowhere. Because I am not interested in engaging with idiots.
      Crumpster claims the recording is “ebidence” which “blows GZ claims out of the water”.

      If it’s “ebidence”, and it resulted in charges, he must produce it.
      There is also the issue of the starting and stopping in the tape, and multiple voices playing the part of the “DeeDee”.

      the “DeeDee” is listed as a “Category A” witness by the State. Therefore, a great deal of time and attention is going to be directed to deconstructing the State’s claims that this is crucial, non-impeachable “ebidence”. The Scheme Team after creating the “DeeDee”, whose testimony most conveniently hits every single talking point they constructed for the narrative, then continuously used all manner of schemes to deflect attention AWAY from this “key witness” and “bombshell” testimony.

      Don’t forget as well the conflicting information released by the Scheme Team as to how the “DeeDee” was discovered. NatJack claims they hired a private investigator who found her. The family has a different claim. Crumpster a third, and so on.

      The composite fictional character known as “the DeeDee” is the Keyser Soze of this case.

      If they can’t wrap their heads around that by this juncture, they are never going to get it. Ever.

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      • Arkindole says:

        “Nowhere. Because I am not interested in engaging with idiots.”
        Exactly. I’m not sure I understand why people visit sites like that and give them ad revenue. I’ve followed SD’s links to his examples sources, say at grio or whatever it is, about the reporters, and it’s a disturbing experience to me. Even the screen captures here of the “Ima gonna…” tweets give me the willies.

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    • jello333 says:

      These people are not real bright. And I’m not even trying to be funny, I’m serious. Most of them really seem to have something mentally wrong with them.

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  3. froggielegs says:

    Just saw this tweeted …

    http://www.wlns.com/story/20234038/parents-of-trayvon-martin-to-be-honored-in-detroit

    “DETROIT (AP) – Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin will be honored in Detroit for establishing a foundation named after their 17-year-old son, Trayvon Martin, who was shot to death by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida.”

    Honored for starting a “foundation” named after their son??? More like being honored for starting a foundation to scam people out of money by naming it after their son.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      Maybe they will finally go after their natural enemy…The Republicans! Scott, Corey, and Bondi. They must hate being in bed with them.

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    • Orlando Sentinel used to have a link at the top of their home page, “George Zimmerman.” They took it down last night, and replaced it with “Win $100 for linking us.”

      Here is another news story they posted last night:

      “George Zimmerman’s legal team has asked a judge to force an attorney for Trayvon Martin’s family to turn over to the defense a recorded interview with the witness described as the teen’s girlfriend.”

      http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-george-zimemrman-crump-trayvon-girlfriend-20121130,0,4647925.story

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      • ytz4mee says:

        I don’t see how Judge Nelson can refuse the request. The entire capias hinges on the “DeeDee” ear-witness account. Crumpster himself has referred to her claims as important “ebidence” that blows GZ’s claims of self-defense “out of the water”.

        Crumpster went there. Put up or shut up. You can’t claim something is a key piece of “ebidence” and then not produce it.

        This is getting so tiring.

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        • John Galt says:

          “I don’t see how Judge Nelson can refuse the request.”

          I do. She already ordered Crump’s deposition and the production of the recording at the deposition. Seems to me that she left the door open for further relief depending on results of those two events. She might get pissed that West didn’t follow instructions.

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          • ytz4mee says:

            Sigh. I realize you are correct. IMO, Nelson is overly obsequious to the State.
            However, Team Zimm did request if she would entertain continuance of deposition, and it seemed she affirmed she would.
            Therefore, West should play it like so:
            Deposition with Benjamin Crump, Day One:

            Good Morning, Mr. Crump. Did you bring the original, unedited, unredacted recording of your interview with Witness # 8 and the recording device you used to procure same?

            If he answers Yes, he can request that he turn that device over to the FLDE on the record with a court stenographer transcribing the interaction on the record, including refusal to cooperate.

            If he answers No, then he stops right there and returns to court with the documented refusal.

            I know West is impatient and frustrated that Nelson refuses to put a stop to this charade and just move on with the production of all evidence, but if this is the playing field, he’s going to have to play the same game. Create his own trail and record as it were.

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            • John Galt says:

              Yes, exactly. Hopefully she grants the motion. It is absurd that State didn’t collect the recorder as evidence. It would be interesting for BDLR to attempt to explain his “private property exception” in a televised hearing.

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              • ytz4mee says:

                Exactly. That would be some GradeA viewing. According to BernieLogic (TM), if I run someone over with my car and leave the scene, the State can’t impound it and conduct forensics because it’s my “private property”.

                Brilliant. This is a major CRIMINAL case, not a civil dispute. LawdHelpUs.

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        • If the recording device contains information about other clients could he refuse? Attorney client privilege or something like that?

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          • John Galt says:

            He could refuse, there would be a motion to compel, for in camera inspection, redaction. Then he would be ordered to produce. If he continued to refuse, he would probably go to jail for contempt.

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          • ytz4mee says:

            Don’t give them ideas! ;-)
            He could try but it wouldn’t help, and the continued obstinance only helps build the case against him for further civil liability. Remember, Crumpster likes everyone to believe he is the lead attorney in this case, in “daily contact” with Angela Corey, but West refers to him (correctly) as a “third party” in the Motion to Compel. Crumpster has absolutely no standing as part of the Prosecution/State team. None.

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            • jello333 says:

              I loved the very last thing in the motion. After listing who all West sent official copies to, he says, “And a courtesy copy was sent to Benjamin Crump”.

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    • ejarra says:

      This may be another reason for CS to hire an attorney:

      “Orlando attorney Howard Marks, who frequently sues police agencies and officers for alleged misconduct, said that if an officer intentionally includes false facts in an affidavit, he may be guilty of violating a suspect’s constitutional rights against illegal search and seizure. The officer could then be liable for civil damages.”

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  4. canadacan says:

    Sympathy for trade von seems to have taken hey southbound train for the coast

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  5. myopiafree says:

    Can “Blacks”, be racists?

    The answer is YES.

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  6. At this point I can imagine Trayvon’s family saying something like all they want is peace and to grieve for their son. They just can’t handle the public pressure any more. That George being put in prison won’t take their pain away. Etc. Recommending to the State that they just let it go and drop the charges. The State saying something like out of respect for the family’s wishes they’re dropping the charges. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      But that would stop the formal investigation by the defense. :)

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      • hooson1st says:

        State cannot drop charges that way. It has to be for lack of evidence. But with this recent motion by West, things are not going to go smoothly ahead for Corey and Co.

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    • boutis says:

      They may wish they could but they can’t. They started it, ruined a family, ruined the reputation of a city PD (with the help of the city’s own employees) and numerous public officials who may want to reclaim their own reputations in some way, and they are going to have to finish it in any manner that a judge and Don West wishes. In a sad and tragic way they did not learn the ultimate lesson of Trayvon’s short life, do not pick a fight you cannot win.

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      • ytz4mee says:

        In a sad and tragic way they did not learn the ultimate lesson of Trayvon’s short life, do not pick a fight you cannot win.

        Well said.

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      • jello333 says:

        Yesterday in one of these threads, I said half-jokingly that IF the prosecution asks for the case to be dismissed, the defense could very well OBJECT, and say NO, we’re not finished yet. I’m beginning to think it could really come to that.

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    • nameofthepen says:

      risefrombelow says: “At this point I can imagine Trayvon’s family saying something like all they want is peace and to grieve for their son…”

      Good point, RiseFrom!! Yeah, trying to turn a disaster into another self-serving,”poor us; victimized, but Gandhi-like” public posture.

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      • janc1955 says:

        I think that approach could also serve to stir up the racialists again for more hoodie marches, more attacks on innocents in Trayvon’s name, more general bad behavior because The White Man made it impossible for Trayvon to receive “justice.”

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        • nameofthepen says:

          janc1955 says: “I think that approach could also serve to stir up the racialists again…”

          Agree! Certain social terrorists, from malicious bloggers right on up to the White House, have this thing cranked right up to the tipping point already.

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        • jello333 says:

          Exactly. Which is why I don’t think George, or MOM, or West, or any of them will ALLOW the state to just dismiss charges without demanding the defense be allowed to continue collecting evidence to be used as they see fit.

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  7. Angel says:

    I was discussing the Jordan Davis case with a co-worker yesterday and the Trayvon Martin case came up and she stated it was awful how TM got shot in the back as he was turning to run away. I knew it wouldn’t do any good to correct her.

    ————–
    Corrected by Admin according to your intent.

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  8. ytz4mee says:

    I hope that West requests to subpoena the “DeeDee’s” medical records for the period in question before he deposes her. After all, Crumpster told the media that she had to seek medical attention she was so distraught.

    Pick at every.single.thread in the woven fictional account.

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    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Ytz4 – Does this mean that that she Kaiser Soze was NOT talking to Trayvon in that last 15 minutes. That the cell phone in fact had a DEAD BATTERY, and, as we suspected, TM was not talking to DeeDee? That there are no “Ping Logs” – to be had. That the 6 hours of “Text and Coversation” were a fabrication of Crump – to get Corey to file 2nd degree murder against the innocent George Zimmerman. Isn’t this witness tampering? Since Bernie knew about this FACT, is this not malicious prosecution?

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  9. david says:

    Hilarious that Ntalalie Jackson is retweeting LLMPapa videos…..one proven liar promoting another

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    • smoothcriminal says:

      9 tweets since
      Natalie Jackson ‏@NatJackEsq
      @Animaljunkie I’ll be back in two weeks and I promise to come back bearing gifts :-).
      View conversation Reply Retweet Favorite

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  10. I promise not to revere anyone’s identity on this forum.

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  11. Justice4All says:

    Latest Crump scam (aside from trying to weasel his way into the Jordan Davis case)

    http://www.pnj.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/311300024

    Black woman and young black male suspect refuse to leave the Walmart after being told to and continue to argue with police and display aggressive body language. Cop tries to handcuff the woman, Woman resists, cop takes her down to detain her.

    We at the treehouse should dedicate our lives to destroying every single case Crump, Parks, and Jackson ever come near.

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  12. Justice4All says:

    Natalie Jackson is imploding on twitter…….LMAO

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    • James F says:

      She just said ‘have a great evening’ and then ‘good night’ but it is still afternoon or earlier everywhere in the US. She must have been up all night, unable to sleep, becoming unhinged. :lol:

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    • Yes, she is. Also ranting about people harassing the person they think/thought was Dee Dee. So was NatJack in touch with this person? Does she represent her? And doesn’t this young lady know how to use the block function? We certainly know NatJack knows how to use it. Perhaps she should have taught the young lady.

      Natalie Jackson ‏@NatJackEsq
      @Animaljunkie The teen nuts WRONGLY harassed 4 almost a year now has almost a year’s worth of cyber-stalking evidence. ;-). (tweet 2 of 2)

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      • ytz4mee says:

        I’m not sure what constitutes “harassment” in NatJack’s book. Sharp disagreements, whether in person, or online, are not “harassment”. I find it hard to believe that there are people out there who have allegedly “cyber-stalked” someone they believe to be the “DeeDee” constantly and consistently for months, but I could be wrong, of course. IMO, Classic NatJack hyperbole, as usual.

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        • James F says:

          She could have ended the speculation long ago, simply by telling the truth about DeeDee’s age. She chose to continue her deception instead. If she was truly concerned but did nothing to stop the alleged harassment, she is morally culpable.

          Jackson is essentially admitting that protecting her lies was more important to her than protecting the welfare of this girl, if she has any actual proof of harassment.

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      • ftsk420 says:

        So this teen was wrongly harassed maybe that wouldn’t happen if the truth was told in the first place.

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        • maggiemoowho says:

          That girls parents would have raised hell and demand that their daughters info and photo be removed from this site if that was true. NJ tweeting about this DD information tells me the CTH is spot on and that has NJ in a tizzy.

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          • ftsk420 says:

            I believe Dee Dee to be exactly who we think she is to but the Dee Dee we know of isn’t 18 as far as I know.

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            • maggiemoowho says:

              Who knows if the other is really 18, I hope they made a copy of her DL or some form of ID and I hoped they checked to make sure that ID wasn’t fake. The State and Scheme team could still be playing games with MOM and West, for all we know they could turn up with a 10 year old male DD next week. None of them have any credibility and I wouldn’t put anything past them.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      I did like the Tweet where she said ppl know “JACK” about this case.

      I guess she’s still burned that their Insurance shakedowns got exposed and they rolled snake eyes.

      They got too impatient and greedy, and started in with the civil actions before the criminal case was confirmed as successful. Maybe the well is dry over at Crumps and Park with all the international travel, designer togs, multiple Trashcan Momma makeovers, tattoo removal for Trashcan Dad, professionally shot blegging videos and trips to Le Home Depot for larger capacity trashcans.

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  13. Arkindole says:

    Please excuse my complete ignorance (and failing memory), but diwataman brought up something above. I thought there was a motion (during the last court hearing) for change of venue. I’ve searched here, Google, and MOM’s site, but can’t find anything concrete. Have they done that?

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    • ytz4mee says:

      I know nothing of any formal request to change venue. There has been much discussion about whether or not GZ can receive a fair trial based on all the tainting of the potential jury pool by the Scheme Team, but that is very different from a formal request for venue change. As well, something of that magnitude would have been posted (most likely with commentary) to the GZLegalCase web page.

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      • Arkindole says:

        Many thanks ytz. Maybe I picked up on that during the Lester go-round period. Hadn’t thought about a potential jury pool until dman indirectly referred to it above.

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  14. Interesting. It seems NatJack deleted this tweet. Too revealing? An admission that they are playing games with this case?

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  15. ytz4mee says:

    Three things you need to understand about the Black Queen of the Scheme Team, NatJack:

    (a) she was suckled on her mother’s milk of racial resentment and anger. It defines her.

    (b) she successfully lawyered her way into bankruptcy as a stand alone practice once already, and I’m pretty confident she can do it again. She has that wonderful air of incompetence and hubris about her.

    (c) her feedback loop is seriously broken: Natalie Jackson Id

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  16. hooson1st says:

    I am surprised by the boldness of Natalie Jackson’s tweets.

    Either she knows facts that are not in the public record that stand in contrast to everything that has been exposed so far, or…well, there must be an alternate reality floating around somewhere.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      Threaten and bluff is SOP when you don’t have facts.
      She’s a really bad poker player.
      Almost as pathetic as her legal skills.

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      • Sharon says:

        …and they are accustomed to it being effective, due to their track record of getting away with it for so long. Much of it is now institutionalized as well, via legislation, culture and really bad legal precedents….again, no wonder they don’t like their lessers (in their opinion) poking our heads up and saying, “huh? that bell don’t ring right…”

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        • jello333 says:

          I can see her, as she’s being led off to jail. “Aha! Now I’ve got you all just where I want you! You have fallen squarely into my trap!”

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    • rumpole2 says:

      I think there is a checkers board in front of her…. but she imagines she sees chess pieces. :D
      Even checkers can be played with some skill… manoeuvre the opponent so that they are forced to take one piece… then with a knowing smile, jump over and take all their pieces.
      I think West is manoeuvring nicely…. we are about to see …
      jump…jump….jump…jump…jump… as he clears the board of Scheme Team pieces :D

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  17. hooson1st says:

    Rumpole:

    West has the facts and the caselaw is on his side

    The saying among lawyers goes like this:
    a.) when the facts are on your side, pound on the facts
    b.) when the law is on your side, pound on the law
    c.) when neither the facts nor the law is on your side, pound on the table

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    • rumpole2 says:

      Nice to see that spelled out.
      My memory of the hearings to date (especially the last one) was West and O’Mara doing a bit of (a) and (b)… BDLR doing (c)
      But Bernie seems to also have a (d) option… “raise your voice and babble” :D

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      • It amazes me how inarticulate and incompetent BDLR is. It’s difficult to imagine how he got to his current position if how he has performed so far in this case s any indication of his competence. Might he be faking it or is he really just that bad?

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        • doodahdaze says:

          He lives in Jessejacksonville. He has to come down to Orlando to work. The circuit insiders do not like the hi-jack and publicity. Lester is in hot-water over Shellie. (Real hot water.) Guy, who charged the perjury case is wondering how his career got ruined. The 5th DCA don’t like it. The media is wondering why they are in bed with Angela Corey. So are Blacks with a mind left.

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      • jello333 says:

        Even the JQers during that hearing were worried about Bernie a couple times. “What’s Bernie doing? He needs to quit waving his arms around and repeating himself. Oh no, I think he’s lost his train of thought now…” ;)

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    • janc1955 says:

      I think there’ll be some pounding the pavement before this is over, too.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      But who is “The Cheshire Cat” in this? Wolfinger?

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  18. ftsk420 says:

    Does anyone have a link to the pdf documents from the day MOM asked to have the school records and the facebook and twitter accounts unsealed.

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  19. libtardh8r says:

    O’Mara and West are smart lawyers. Smart lawyers never ask questions that they don’t already know the answers to. I think it’s pretty darned likely that O’Mara and West already have everything they are asking for already in their possession, and that it’s all exculpatory. Scheme Team either has to turn over heretofore suppressed evidence that proves GZ’s innocence, or pretend it doesn’t exist. Either way, they are hosed and they know it.

    O’Mara and West want to have all their ducks in a row before they depose the major players. It is possible that an analysis of a clean copy of the original phone interview with Dee Dee could confirm or deny the existence of two Dee Dees. That is certainly be something I would like to know before deposing Crump.

    On a different note, I noticed discussion as to whether the judge could order Crump to turn over the recorder…IANAL, but I believe what they want is for her to order BDLR to issue a search warrant, which he has both the duty and authority to do.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      They do not tweet. The tweeters? Why in the world would a lawyer tweet?

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    • doodahdaze says:

      On another different note. If the case is dropped how will that effect discovery? Is criminal discovery better than civil? Obviously this Orange Blossom Special is running off the track.

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  20. david says:

    Still trying to understand why the Martins need FOUR attorneys at their beck and call 24/7 (Crump, Parks, Jackson, and Rand) while the Trayvonites complain about George having two

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  21. George Zimmerman will shout the cry of freedom.

    “Down with the traitors!”

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