Trayvon Martin Case Whoopsie – Scheme Team MEGA-Fail: “Dee Dee” is Keyser Soze – Motion to Compel

Don West

Today the George Zimmerman defense team revealed a bombshell discovery.  A discovery that will ultimately deconstruct the entire “persecution of George Zimmerman”.  It could also lead to serious liability and charges of fraud against the Scheme Team, with visible malicious prosecution by the State of Florida and Special Prosecutor Angela Corey.

Benjamin Crump introduced Witness #8, “DeeDee”, to the media on March 20th as Trayvon Martin’s 16-year-old girlfriend.   Discovery evidence now shows the person claiming the identity of “DeeDee” on April 2nd swears under oath during her witness affidavit that she was 18-years-old, when interviewed by Benjamin Crump and ABC’s Matt Gutman on March 19th, 2012.

The State Prosecutor is refusing to identify the address of Witness #8 (DeeDee) to the defense, and Trayvon Family attorney Benjamin Crump is refusing to provide the recordings, or details of the 16-year-old who he interviewed on March 20th.

In essence Benjamin Crump constructed and sold one version of DeeDee to a gullible media, then a completly different person to state investigators and Special Prosecutors.

We have outlined on numerous occasions there was nothing existing on March 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16 to law enforcement that would support an arrest of George Zimmerman.

The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event,”  – Sanford Detective Serino told the Sentinel March 16.

“Everything I have is adding up to what he says.””

Law enforcement officials stated consistently there was nothing in their investigation that disputed ANYTHING in the George Zimmerman outline of events.


Due to the lack of substantive evidence to support an arrest on Friday March 16th, 2012 The Scheme Team (pictured above) consisting of family attorneys: Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson, Daryl Parks were in a panic.

Their PR person Ryan Julison, NAACP President Ben Jealous, MSNBC’s Al Sharpton,  Jesse Jackson, Congresswoman Corrine Brown, together with the Scheme Team and Martin Family, listened to the 911 calls in Sanford Mayor Triplett’s office.

But still nothing in the police investigation was pointing to cause for an arrest:

 Monday April 2nd, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Police Chief Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Detective Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman’s account – that he had acted in self-defense.

Absent of anything, any scintilla of evidence, to reflect George Zimmerman did not act in self defense, the Scheme Team concocted a ruse, a guise, a false narrative, that we described best understood as “media evidence“.

At the time we said:

Media Evidence is a strategic use of information presented by the legal team, in this case Parks and Crump, and used to specifically and intentionally sway public opinion.  If you can build the public opinion strong enough, it can change the action of the politically dependent class of prosecutors in your favor.

When factual evidence does not support your demand for an arrest.  A specific intentional strategy is to create media evidence.   Media evidence need not be real, it merely needs to appear to be real.   The goal is to change opinion, and subsequently force an action the opposing party would otherwise not have taken.  Such is the action of arresting George Zimmerman.  To accomplish that goal they constructed DeeDee.

Mystery woman DeeDeeWith specific and malicious intent the Martin family lead attorney Benjamin Crump “created the story that became DeeDee” who ultimately became Witness 8.   The Scheme Team of Crump, Parks, and Jackson  then sold her to a willing media.

In his own words, Benjamin Crump sold the lies that are “DeeDee” to a more than gullible legacy media.     You can read the initial sales pitch from Benjamin Crump in this March 20th CNN interview.    (Transcript of his statement here)

I come here today on behalf of Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin. [...]

Well, what George Zimmerman said to the police about him being suspicious and up to no good is completely contradicted by this phone log, showing, all day, he was just talking to his friends. And in fact, he was talking to this young lady when he went to the 7-11 and when he came back from the 7-11. I’m going to get into that in detail because her testimony, her testimony that is shown on these phone logs, connects the dots. Completely connects the dots of this whole thing. [...]

This young lady details it completely, the tone of the conversation and the nature of the conversation, and what was happening the last minutes of his life. I will ask you — her parents does (ph) not in any way want to reveal her identity. She is a minor. Her parents are very worried about her. She is traumatized over this. This was her really, really close personal friend. They were dating. And so it’s a situation where to know that you were the last person to talk to the young man who you thought was one of the most special people in the world to you, and know that he got killed moments after he was talking to you, is just riveting to this young lady.

In fact, she couldn’t even go to his wake she was so sick. Her mother had to take her to the hospital. She spent the night in the hospital. She is traumatized beyond anything you could imagine. And we all were teenagers, so we can imagine how that is when you think somebody’s really special, and you call it puppy love or whatever you want to call it. Then suddenly and tragically, this is taken away and you have, unfortunately, a first-hand account of it. So I will ask you again on behalf of the family and on behalf of the young lady’s family if you would please respect their privacy. She is a minor.


He further spun the false story – the ruse – with the use of Matt Gutman from ABC…. and extended the lies with Russell Simmons and the Global Grind.

"Scheme Team" (Left to Right) Benjamin Crump, Jahvaris Funton-Martin, Russell Simmons, Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, Daryl Parks

“Scheme Team” (Left to Right) Benjamin Crump, Jahvaris Funton-Martin, Russell Simmons, Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, Daryl Parks

The obvious questions were never asked:  Why, if this girl was on the phone at the moment of the “encounter”, did she never call police – even AFTER finding out Trayvon was dead?  She never told her mom, or the Martin family, or anyone, ever – Nobody?  

After her introduction the entire narrative  just seemed absurd – but the media was “all-in” for the story.   Further absurd was the angle this poor girl was unknown to Tracy Martin (Trayvon’s dad) or Sybrina Fulton (Trayvon’s Mom).    Both had NEVER even heard of her.

Yet, according to Crump she was such an integral part of Trayvon’s life.?   Really? 

It was a complete ruse in the same standard as Al Sharpton’s Tawana Brawley.   The same Al Sharpton who was mentoring Benjamin Crump in how to play the media.

The ruse was also obvious because the schemers could not even get their stories straight about Keyser Soze’s age.   The false persona that became “DeeDee” was reported, by THEM, to be fifteen years old at times, sixteen years-old at other times, and also seventeen.   The inconsistencies about her were brutally obvious:

Ben Crump – “It really doesn’t because she is a 16-year-old teenager who just lost a person very special to her”   (link)

Jasmine RandAnd, you know, as we heard, we now have the 17-year-old girl that came forward that heard, you know, some of the final moments of Trayvon’s life. (link)

Daryl Parks –  Well, part of the problem is she`s a minor so it`s a very delicate situation.  (link)

Natalie JacksonWe contacted the person he was on the phone with. It was a young girl. And she told us that she heard Zimmerman approach Trayvon. (link)

The ever-morphing truth about DeeDee being a “Keyser Soze” ruse has been peeking through the cracks;  However, only truly visible to those who have followed closely and actually knew what was behind the fake DeeDee door the Scheme Team desperately try to keep closed.

Keyser Soze/DeeDee was elusively alluded to by odd deflective interplay between Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda and Defense Attorney Mark O’Mara.    It has shown up several times in many venues where “DeeDee”  or “Witness 8″ was discussed.

Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda – “Is she a minor”?   [He askes defense attorney Mark O'Mara with a coy wink in court]

Today the deceptive door was unlocked a bit, and now appears slightly ajar – While defense attorney Don West requests permission from the court to..


The motion to compel discovery is available here:  GZ Legal Case pdf




Continue reading entire motion to see the lies being displayed:

Yes, for those who are wondering WTF is this?    Indeed, according to Bernie De La Rionda, the State Prosecutor in the case,  Dee Dee is not a minor.   The State provided a copy of the sworn statement to the defense.   The ear-witness described at length by Benjamin Crump, who swore a statment to the state investigators, was NOT “a minor child”.   So, who is Keyser Soze? 


Scheme Team Of Liars

For anyone, ANYONE, who cannot see how this confirms every single prior outline of the SCHEME……  well, then you are just hopelessly addicted to the Crumpesque Kool-Aid, and over emotionally attached to the Scheme Team Media fraud.

Trayvon family attorneys Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson and Daryl Parks fabricated evidence with a non-existent minor child they named “DeeDee” to support an affidavit for arrest.

It was only the addition of the DeeDee story that swayed the legal decisionmakers into finding probable cause for an arrest and subsequent charges.   Take away DeeDee, and you are back with the same evidence that existed prior to 3/19/12 which did not even support a manslaughter charge, let alone 2nd degree murder.  

Now it is proven the credibility of DeeDee as a witness is shredded, and worse still,  perhaps the very story she outlined was manufactured by the Scheme Team.

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439 Responses to Trayvon Martin Case Whoopsie – Scheme Team MEGA-Fail: “Dee Dee” is Keyser Soze – Motion to Compel

  1. John VI says:

    Is crump in contempt for not providing the list to the defense as required? By providing it through the prosecutors office via email didnt he circumvent the judges order?

    • doodahdaze says:

      Not only Crump. There are may fish to fry here. The Orange Blossom Special has a lot of passengers. The discovery is looking like a RICO investigation.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Don’t forget all the other innocent third parties who were beaten/killed as “Justice for Trayvon”.

        • jordan2222 says:

          I wonder how many folks see that like we do here? I have made it a point to send out emails every time one of them occurs to show the impact of this case on whitey. At least my friends now understand but at first some of them thought I was “reaching” to make such a connection.

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      Not sure John, but he sure does sound like a surrgate for the persecution

  2. lovemygirl says:

    Without Tweedle Dee Dee there is no case.

    • doodahdaze says:

      This is so Plus Ultra past the “18” year old adult. Previously presented as a minor child by the schemers. Tip of the iceberg. This is so rotten.

      • I would’ve sworn there were two DeeDee’s because the original (3/19 telephone interview)recording played for the media back in March was & the young woman spoke as though she was of average intelligence. The 4/2 audio recording of BDLR interviewing DeeDee (actually interviewing himself) doesn’t sound even remotely similar to the previous audio recording. Not to be cruel but the person immitating being interviewed by BDLR sounds as though she’s either recently had a stroke, is intellectually handicapped or took a handful of “Ludes” prior to BDLR interviewing her. Just for laughs; I’d like to see the Orlando Sentinel hire Tom Owen to conduct a comparison between the two audio recordings of DeeDee’s voice. I’d bet Tom Owen’s homegrown software “Easy Voice Biometrics” would allegedly conclude whatever the O.S. wanted it to.

        • doodahdaze says:

          There could be two. At the same number. Maybe they charge for phone time.

        • nameofthepen says:

          70scarrestoguy says: “The 4/2 audio recording of BDLR interviewing DeeDee (actually interviewing himself)…”

          LOL! Perfectly-put. :lol:

          • Thanks; I was worried I was getting carried away because after a couple of drinks I can’t shut up LOL

            • nameofthepen says:

              70scarrestoguy says: “Thanks; I was worried I was getting carried away because after a couple of drinks I can’t shut up LOL ”

              Ha haha…Don’t worry. You were totally fine all day.

              But, since I have you on the line, if the answer isn’t something too personal, what does the “carresto” in your screen-name stand for (or mean)?

              • ytz4mee says:

                I would guess car restoration guy, but I could be wrong.

                • nameofthepen says:

                  ytz4mee says: “I would guess car restoration guy, but I could be wrong.”

                  I think you’re right. That makes sense. Thanks! :)

              • One of my hobbies is restoring 60s & 70s American Muscle Cars. I’m presently disassembling a 70 Plymouth Cuda.

                • nameofthepen says:

                  @ 70scarrestoguy – Thanks for the reply. Muscle cars rule!

                  The first time I saw “carresto”, my brain said, “Italian”, and from then on, it nagged me, because it didn’t make a whole lot of sense, yet it blocked me from seeing “car” + “resto” after that, lol.

                  • jello333 says:

                    Well, that’s not as bad as mine. I keep seeing “carrot guy”. I KNOW that’s not what it says, and I consciously try to see his name the right way, but so far no luck. Maybe now things will be better. ;)

      • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

        There is some quantum mechanics going on here if Deedee can be 16, 17, AND 18 all at the same time

    • James Warren says:

      i am still trying to figure out what tweedle deedee (SEEN) on the phone?? never hear of a ear witness for a murder to start with lol 2 funny. comes a time to throw the towel in…its BEEN time here. but the media is milking this cow till it appears to be on meth!

  3. LoudaJew says:

    Don West deserves a lot of credit! he is very good at his job.

    • sundance says:

      Don West is an EXCEPTIONAL investigative attorney – in the old school fashion of the lawful search for justice and TRUTH.

      When the final transcripts of this are over the biggest cigar needs to be handed to Mr. West, he is an exceptional legal representative.

      • kathyca says:

        +1000 West rocks. No holds barred, no punches pulled. SO glad he’s on the defense team!

      • ytz4mee says:

        Oh, yeah +1000
        And his refusal to take crap makes him hawt.
        Love me some Westie.

        • jordan2222 says:

          I had to look that up:
          . hawt

          In the late 1940’s and early 1950’s “hawt” was an acronym for “having a wonderful time.” It was eventually stolen by scenester fucks to mean,”sexy” or “attractive” because of the downfall of american youth.
          How are you doing today?
          I’m HAWT, darling, thank you
          Internet slang for something really hot.
          Girl: You were so hawt last night at the show.
          Boy: I know

          Then I had to look up scenester fuck and then I had to look up…. .

          Then I said screw this. Damn.. you make me work..

  4. smoothcriminal says:

    She was 18 and trayvon just turned 17, so he was 16 and she was 18 for at least a month. statutory rape much?

    • xballer52 says:

      In her interview with the BDLR, she said that she knew him since kindergarten. Something doesn’t add up here….so, she knew him when she was 5 and he was 3, yet Trayvon’s parents didn’t know the girl…..hmmm…there are so many questions…and so few answers.

      • James F says:

        I guess she had to repeat kindergarten once or twice?
        Then again, she is probably just lying through her teeth about the whole damn thing.

      • doodahdaze says:

        The simple answer is this. It is a political frame up.

        • There are at least two conspiracies running parallel. The original was to defraud the insurance providers of the Twin Lakes HOA, the SPD, City of Sanford, & possibly the State of Florida. An additional benefit would be the evisceration of the Sanford Police Dept personnel structure & replace them with NAACP approved replacements. The second conspiracy intent was to deprive George of his civil rights, his freedom & possibly his life by malicious false prosecution/imprisonment. It’s being perpetrated by the State as a knee-jerk reaction to the threats of violence from the media driven mobs comprised of racist & delusional Scheme Team supporters.

          • myopiafree says:

            Hi 70’s – That is an accurate judgment. It seems that DeeDee is a complete fabrication. If Bernie KNEW she was 18 year-old – he had an OBLIGATION TO SAY SO. It is a lie for a prosecutor to hide that fact from the court and George’s lawyers. Everything else will CRUMBLE – because if this lie of the prosecution – and THEY KNOW IT. How long it will take for all of this to un-ravel – is anyone’s guess. There was NO basis for a 2nd degree charge – EVER. This is indeed NiFong-2, but far worse.

            • Agreed; Though I’d go a step further & state that there’s never been any verifiable evidence to support George being charged for any violation of law. Nifong was a prosecutor that realized too late that he’d been Duped. Corey & BDLR knew or damn well should’ve known on April 2nd that the DeeDee character was a fabrication. There’s no way in Hell they were unaware they were committing a felony when they had George arrested & then charged him with Second Degree Murder. For those acts alone their culpable for prosecution under Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241 – Conspiracy Against Rights
              Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 – Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law

              I for one am going to borrow the Scheme Team’s playbook. When George is granted immunity I’m going to scream for the Scheme Teams arrest & prosecution. Then I’m going to petition the Gov to investigate/file appropriate charges against Corey, BDLR, Bondi & Scott if need be

            • James Warren says:

              i have seen holes in it for months …so has omara …he called it a weak case months ago

      • “Something doesn’t add up here” Yeah nothing from the Scheme Team adds up, maybe it’s their version of new math. My personal opinion is that every word they’ve sold the gullible public is a preconceived pack of lies intended to further their racist agenda & temporarily satisfy their greed.

      • ctdar says:

        Same thing re age George’s cousin said about him!!

      • Yes, and Trayvon, 3, and his other little friend “came by” her house. lol

    • maggiemoowho says:

      That is exactly what I was thinking as I was reading this.

    • ftsk420 says:

      From what I read it’s not statutory rape in FL but I did think the same thing. Say Dee Dee was the cause of all this. Say she egged TM on told him to do what he did wouldn’t that make her legally liable since she is an adult. Corruption of a minor maybe.

      • doodahdaze says:

        You are forgetting Judge Lester and Shellie.

      • If that could be proven then DeeDee could be arrested & prosecuted for second degree murder. I would email the Florida State Attorney office 50 times a day, every day until they took a charge to a Grand Jury for consideration.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Put da bangz on da cracka!
        You be a WSHH Star, fer shur, Slimm!

      • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

        She has sounded like a CO-CONSPIRATOR in the FELONIOUS ASSAULT AND Attempted murder of a neighborhood watch guy

      • scubachick75 says:

        Must depend on what color you are because I know a guy who was dating the girl that lived next door to him. He was 17 (almost 18) and she 16. She got pregnant and her parents blamed him. When the baby was born he was 18 and they successfully charged him with statutory rape. He can’t even see the kid but has to pay child support. This is in Fl.

    • jello333 says:

      Ha! Kinda reversal of the normal thing, eh? ;) Actually, in most instances, I think “statutory rape” is one of the most ridiculous laws on the books.

    • jordan2222 says:


  5. eastern2western says:

    crump is not willing to turn in the original recording because it will expose him as a fraud. In the first couple minutes of the interview, crump clearly asked dd to tell the story like how she told him before. Judging from this little cut of the tape, there is plenty of proof of witness contamination. de la rionda is just playing dumb because he knows dd is fake as silicone.

    • doodahdaze says:

      Crruuummmpp is a chaser of go away funds.

    • Omara/West don’t need Crump’s version of DeeDee audio recorded telephone interview except to prove conspiracy & hopefully to get a criminal case built against the Scheme Team. Remember that Matt Guttman stated he has the only full length unedited copy of the original DeeDee telephone interview. We need to purchase that original copy of which Matt Guttman has possession of. That’s why I was worried when ABC sent Matt Guttman on assignment to Israel & then to Syria. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Queen of the Scheme Team was with DeeDee during the telephone interview.

      • Cupcake says:

        Yep, Gutman pretty much bragged that he had the original copy of the interview. Can’t he be subpenaed to hand it over? After all this time how can everyone have an unedited copy of the tape except for the defense?

      • John Galt says:

        “We need to purchase that original copy of which Matt Guttman has possession of.”

        Don’t need to purchase anything. Just send him a subpoena.

  6. doodahdaze says:

    “Politically dependent class of prosecutors.” There lies the problem.
    (“the Due Process Clause protects the accused against conviction except upon proof beyond a reasonable doubt of every fact necessary to constitute a crime with which he is charged.”) Winship,397 U.S. 358,364 (1970); State v, Cohen, 568 So. 2d (Fla. 1990) (finding affimitave defense unconstitutional because “this affimitave defense’ does not concede the offense; it negates it. In effect, this statute requires the defendant to present a preponderance of the evidence that says in effect, ‘I did not do it.”)
    This is a wrongful prosecution. Wrongful prosecutions precede wrongful convictions.
    The state can not shift the burden of proof to a defendant to disprove a necessary element of the crime.

  7. doodahdaze says:

    Key sentence….”Prior to the deposition of Mr. Crump.” :)

    • justfactsplz says:

      Tracey and Sybrina will get deposed, too!

      • doodahdaze says:

        Well. They were there. Now, don’t forget the cousin. Also BONAPARTE. The fun is just starting.

        • justfactsplz says:

          Oh, yes little Bonaparte and the mayor, too. Why not throw Pink Cowboy Hat in the mix while we’re at it?

          • ytz4mee says:

            Matt Gutman was there at the DeeDee interview with his “assistant” and he had the “exclusive” interview tape which ABC aired. He has also made repeated claims that he is the only one with the tape.
            Plus the stolen CCTV footage from the SPD garage. Matt has a lot to share.

            • justfactsplz says:

              These people will sing like a bird and throw each other under the bus. It will be good to see. I don’t mean to sound vengeful, but it will do my heart good to see them get their just reward.

            • jordan2222 says:

              It makes no sense to me that no one has demanded HIS tape. Why has the defense not done that?

            • Cupcake says:

              Wouldn’t Gutman (and Crump) have to hand over his copy of the tape because it’s evidence in a murder trial?? I don’t get it how after all this time the defense still doesn’t have it.

            • nameofthepen says:

              ytz4mee says: “Matt has a lot to share.”

              Ha ha…I think Matt might suddenly end up with another out-of-country assignment.

              Maybe a special along the lines of a David Attenborough-type nature film on the mating habits of the rare and extremely secretive Spraddle-Legged Coathanger of the Borneo forests or something. :lol:

          • jello333 says:

            And the 3 or 4 Sanford cops who pressured Serino. Wow… our list is getting long.

        • John Galt says:

          “Now, don’t forget the cousin.”

          The cousin that tweeted about making some moves.

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Daze – Good catch – if Crump does not flee the country first. I would truly like to be a “fly on the wall”, when Crump starts sweating bullets – when he starts making statements about 16 year-old DeeDee, and her 6 hour conversations and TEXTING with Trayvon. When O’Mara asks, Crump about his relationship with – and information fed to Julison, he will probably ask, “… you want that too”?

      • doodahdaze says:

        Crump is silent. That say’s a lot. But don’t forget West said…I can’t depose BDLR…Yet.

        • ytz4mee says:

          Yes. What did BDLR know, and when did he know it?
          He knew that the person coughed up to play the part as “DeeDee” was 18 when he deposed her, yet he sat there as a potted plant and didn’t correct the record.

          There’s also a reason why he’s not too anxious to press the issue about unlocking Traydemark’s phone … which ever one that may be ….

          • John Galt says:

            “What did BDLR know, and when did he know it?
            He knew that the person coughed up to play the part as “DeeDee” was 18 when he deposed her, yet he sat there as a potted plant and didn’t correct the record.”

            Exactly. It appears that they edited the transcript to conceal the fact that she was 18. They need to search every document, email and every hearing transcript. If the State misrepresented Dee Dee as a minor, they should move for serious sanctions, perhaps to include prosecution for obstruction of justice.

          • jordan2222 says:

            Actually I think he did make a sarcastic remark to O’Mara about her being a minor.. The implication was that she might not be a minor. It was mentioned on the thread about that hearing.

            • ytz4mee says:

              I’m aware.
              And I believe it was snark directed at West when he was pressing the issue at the failed Second Motion for Gag Order, demanding to know how West knew how old she was. Perhaps that’s when the copies of her deposition provided to the defense still had her age redacted, and they thought they could get away with the lie indefinitely. Or at least until they could turn the pain dial up so high GZ would beg for a plea bargain.

              They are beyond disgusting. It sickens me to have to watch their preening and their antics.
              The schadenfreude when they are ALL hoisted on their collective petards will be delicious.
              When that happens, I recommend a nicely chilled Viognier. Something light and crisp, not too heavy, but more muscular and nuanced than your average White Wine with a good ETOH content. Champagne is overrated.

              • jello333 says:

                “The schadenfreude when they are ALL hoisted on their collective petards will be delicious.”

                Hey, that’s two of us in just the past 24 hours who’ve used that cool German word (and in the exact same context)! ;)

              • doodahdaze says:

                Calling Algonquin J. Calhoun. He is the only one with the right experience for this jam. I thought only the age of a juvenile could be redacted. There would be no reason to redact the age of an adult.

                • ytz4mee says:


                  For other Treepers who need to catch up:
                  Algonquin J. Calhoun: Your honor, you have heard the prosecution tell you that my client is dishonest. Your honor, it’s easy for him to say that because my client is a crook!

                  This portrayal of a “coon lawyer” was perhaps one of the most offensive to middle class African Americans. The NAACP complained bitterly about the portrayal of “Negro lawyers … as slippery cowards, ignorant of their profession and without ethics.”

                  Johnny Lee played the character Algonquin J. Calhoun in blackface.

          • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

            As stated elsewhere for comedic effect ( Not sure it had the inteneded effect or not), there is a quantum mechanical aspect to Deedee (where she can be a minor AND bre 18 at the same time). Light, it is both a particale and a wave.

      • jello333 says:

        West (or MOM) to Crump: “Mr. Crump, the next thing we’re going to discuss is… umm… what is that Mr. Crump? You seem to be… are you crying? Mr. Crump, are you crying? It’s either that, or we’ve got a leak in the ceiling and it’s a little bit drippin’ water. You do understand, do you not, Mr. Crump, that there’s no crying in depositions?”

      • doodahdaze says:

        Wonder if she is a “Dancer?” Or charges for phone time?

      • jordan2222 says:

        Maybe Crump will pull a JJ and go into the hospital for a year or two. He has been traumatized, ya know.

      • thefirstab says:

        “if Crump does not flee the country first”
        Hi Myopiafree – I’ve been glued to these threads this morning, and had this same thought. As it all comes crumbling down, I’m sure this same thought has crossed some of the Schemers’ minds. I think it’s time for the defense to ask Judge Nelson for some passports.

  8. lovemygirl says:

    I was searching for Crump videos and ran across “Crump Battle”. It just seemed fitting.

  9. yankeeintx says:

    From page 8, Bernie lied to the judge when he said they had turned everything over to the defense! The defense just recently received exculpatory evidence that other witnesses identified George’s voice on the 911 call. There are also LE, civilian witnesses, and investigative reports that have not been previously disclosed?

    Can someone please notify the airports that Crumps passport is no longer valid, if he is still in the country. This goes beyond disbarment.

  10. eastern2western says:

    crump is trying to play dumb to hide some major flaws in the dd story. The caucasian voice that was heared in the tape recording does not sound like gutman at all. However, it does sound more like julison. By selectively forgetting the name of gutman’s assistant, crump is trying his hardest to avoid involving Julison because he knows Julison will sell him out in a heart beat.

  11. justfactsplz says:

    Crump is outclassed and out smarted by West. Crump is a criminal. I bet Judge Nelson has never had anything that compares to this cross her bench before. Drop the charges and free George Zimmerman now.

    • doodahdaze says:

      In the Anderson case the charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. Bondi was the prosecutor. There are many similar actions in the Zimmerman case. And many of the same players.

      • justfactsplz says:

        All of these players need to learn a hard lesson. No American citizen should ever have to go through what George has.

        • ytz4mee says:

          George and Shellie have shown amazing courage throughout all of this by refusing to yield and by steadfastly declaring their innocence.

          The only way that this whole narrative can finally be killed to is to have all of its sneaky, hidden premise of threats, intimidation, extortion and innuendo ruthlessly exposed through a civil court proceeding, where those players are called to account at the witness stand. Let all of the rot be bathed in sunlight.

          I hope that they have the courage to see civil action to the very end and not “settle at the courthouse steps” with closed settlement agreements. Pre-trial settlement may provide some reparations and closure, but allows the Scheme Team strategy to lie in wait to be used again.

          Burn down their rotten house of lies and salt the fields so their hatred and vindictiveness can never find root again.

          Carthage Delendo Est.

          • justfactsplz says:

            George and Shellie’s “amazing courage” reveals the amazing people they truly are. And I know that all of the support and encouragement they have received have given them added strength.

          • gretchenone says:

            “Burn down their rotten house of lies and salt the fields so their hatred and vindictiveness can never find root again.”


          • nameofthepen says:

            ytz4mee says: “Carthage Delendo Est”

            Ytz, your whole post is a beautiful piece of writing! I chose this part to quote in my reply, because I went and Wiki’d “Carthago delenda est”.

            It means, “Carthage must be destroyed”.

            …a Latin oratorical phrase which was in popular use in the Roman Republic…by the party urging a foreign policy which sought to eliminate any further threat to the Roman Republic from its ancient rival Carthage, which had been defeated twice before and had a tendency after each defeat to rapidly rebuild its strength and engage in further warfare. It represented a policy of the extirpation of the enemies of Rome who engaged in aggression, and the rejection of the peace treaty as a means of ending conflict.

            Lovely post! +1,000,000

    • LoudaJew says:

      release Trayvon’s school records first. the racebaiters will always claim George got off on a minor inconsistency. it needs to be clear to these racebaiters that George is a good man who cares about everybody including a black homeless people, while Trayvon was a trouble maker who was never in school and thought he could intimidate a stranger because he was black. this will also help race relations in our country instead of one race always getting one up by claiming discrimination.

      • doodahdaze says:

        I think the defense could make a motion to dismiss now. But it would not be advantageous to the forthcoming civil actions. Discovery now in the criminal case is easier than the discovery will be in the civil action. This is just a precursor. Every day the damages add up. The schemers are clearly on the run.

        • John VI says:

          Now thats a peaceful easy feeling. If part of the harm can be the amount of time spent in jail, wrongfully, based on manufactured evidence…

          • doodahdaze says:

            If Crump was not in trouble, would he be silent?

            • ytz4mee says:

              Actually, Crump is busy running around the countryside, even to states where he is not called to the bar nor licensed to practice law, ginning up more Crumped-up race-baiting schemes for “Justice”.

        • sundance says:

          BINGO. All should read what Howie just wrote here. Comfortably let it sink in. The criminal discovery is “compelled” by the case against GZ. Knowing the case is without merit, and knowing how easy it is at this point for dismissal, the VALUE is in keeping the “Free” discovery – which the accused is constitutionally entitled to – going forward. In essence using the sixth amendment ‘criminal protections’ to build your civil case armoury.

          The first, “motion to dismiss” will, more likely, come from the State at the behest of the Martin Family lawyers who are cornered by their accusations. So long as the criminal case against GZ exists – the schemers are actually at risk.

          It is a bizarre, yet deliciously righteous outcome.

          • ytz4mee says:

            Sword of Damocles.

          • Sharon says:

            If the motion came from the State and were granted, how simultaneous would the charges against the Schemers be? or is that a totally separate process that has to start from zero and be built? Is there a different kind of Grand Jury process when it comes to members of the bar being charged?

            If the State filed a motion to dismiss, can the defense demand relief from the damage that has been done and request some other kind of investigation? (poor question–don’t know how to word it).

            • jello333 says:

              Your question isn’t weird at all, compared to mine, which is this: If the state did ask for the case to be dismissed, could the defense say NOPE, we object… we haven’t finished collecting all our evidence yet? I don’t think I’ve EVER heard of such a thing happening, and it might not even be legal.

              • nameofthepen says:

                jello333 says: “…could the defense say NOPE, we object… we haven’t finished collecting all our evidence yet?”

                Total LOL, Jello. That’s hilarious. And not weird at all, at least IMHO! Love it. :D

          • So SD, to paraphrase, your saying that the longer the State keeps up the charade the worse it is for the Scheme Team?

        • jello333 says:

          I agree. I think they’ve had plenty to justify a motion to dismiss, for at least the past 3 or 4 months. I do believe that everything since then has been to lay the foundations for not only civil suits, but also possible sanctions (incl. criminal) against certain people.

          • Angel says:

            “I do believe that everything since then has been to lay the foundations for not only civil suits, but also possible sanctions (incl. criminal) against certain people.”

            All of it was there from day one but this way, two birds can be shot with one stone. Probably the plan all along.

        • Angel says:

          Has anybody else considered the there are players (think about it) in this who are doing this to get Crump and Co. legally on the record to get evidence to prosecute and to be able open the door for civil suits. I think so. Without the depositions, and allowing discovery to go forward, cannot get evidence on certain parties. All left with is speculation. Certain parties are playing their roles very well, if this is the case. The best way to get Crump is to allow the discovery process to go forward with the irony being the trial he fought so vigorously for could be his undoing. I think all of this with GZ being charged and the subsequent discovery was to allow truth to come out, “wherever it leads.”

          • Angel says:

            ” The best way to get Crump is to allow the discovery process to go forward with the irony being the trial he fought so vigorously for could be his undoing.”

            Really more like poetic justice!

            • Angel says:

              I said a while ago that the state voluntarily releasing exculpatory evidence that would help GZ would be perceived as racism as they were accused of when they did not initially charge him. The state is making the defense of GZ work tooth and nail to get the evidence. When GZ is exonerated, it won’t be because the state helped in it but because the defense worked diligently to get at evidence. Not a right thing to do but understandable to not want to be accused of racism by readily releasing evidence that would exonerate GZ. The defense has to discover the exculpatory evidence as the state is not going to look at anything that is exculpatory as if it comes from them, then, they are back to square one: being accused of conspiring to let GZ go free which means they and the justice system is racist. No, this GZ case had to get to this stage so the truth would come out but from the hands of the defense who is supposed to vigorously defend their client. Those are the roles I believe the prosecutors are playing in this court in this legal drama. Just my thoughts.

      • justfactsplz says:

        Absolutely. I know West will turn over every stone and cover all the bases. He thinks like a Wolverine.

      • Lou,

        There was a time I could agree with your entire statement. After spending much time hear and elsewhere, I can only agree with this portion of your statement:

        “the racebaiters will always claim George got off”

        Yep, crystal clear video proof of the entire event could be discovered, and it won’t matter to some. They see a “white” on “black” hate crime, and ain’t nothin gonna change their mind. Its called ignorance. What can you do?

        • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

          Youwantthattoo (I like to write it as youwantdattoo),
          readoing some academic books written post duke lacrosse, I have to agree with you 110% (I was disgusted to read about how academics view duke lacrosse after the fact-they still think crystal gale magnum is the victim)

      • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

        Trayvon went to school to sell drugs (he might not have gone to class much, but he was there to make money and a rep for himself). his school records should be ever so interesting (with brandy green gettggn all his violent suspensions turned into minor infractions-is this how traydad met brandy green? she was his case worker withj juvvy justice and trayvon ended up there often and she covered for him often)

    • yankeeintx says:

      Drop the charges AND grant him immunity. Sybrina better start selling on those fancy new clothes on Ebay, she has some expenses coming up soon.

    • Not yet! Unless Judge Nelson is going to grant George immunity protection & the Feds agree not to file frivolous unfounded charges. We’re here for George, we’ve got his back & many of us would go to the wall for George but the defense can’t allow the State or Feds to hit George with another charge. The truth needs to be illuminated in cleansing sunshine so that George & the Zimmerman family will be safe from further persecution. While reading Winnie The Pooh to my children many years ago, I remember telling them that milk is to honey as truth is to justice. It’s time for Omara/West to serve up a breakfast of milk & honey to the Scheme Team! I’d hope they choke on it.

      • justfactsplz says:

        Of course, with total immunity. It goes beyond clearing George now, West is going for the juglar.

      • myopiafree says:

        70s – I agree. The most critical issue is that George get FULL IMMUNITY. Once that ruling is made by Nelson – George, West and O’Mara, can “un-roll” everything else. This should start with that CBS video – created as a “spin-off” of Juilson’s false story about the cute, innocent little black child, Trayvon. The lies go out to infinity.

  12. Buck says:

    I was looking at the full call log PDF. It says 4 phones but i see 6 listed? HTC amaze G4, HTC Sensation G4,Nokia Lumia 710,Samsung Galaxy Sll,Sidkick G4 and a T-Mobile G2X…..

    • doodahdaze says:

      I keep thinking about something I read while researching this. “The state’s evidence. If proven. Will exonerate. The defendant.”

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      Dont forget, homeslice always has a misstress on the side (traydad would be homeslice)

  13. diwataman says:

    What in the ****? 18? And damn did West lay into them.

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  15. selfdefenseadvocate says:

    Hmmm… How many days has it been since the election? When in January is the inauguration? That will be when the political game playing with George Zimmerman’s life will finally come to a head, imo. Aside from Trayvon losing his life due to his own agressive behavior, the tax payers of Florida are the bigest losers. I am so very glad that George stood tall and stood his ground (no pun intened) with no plea other than not guilty of any crime.

    • doodahdaze says:

      No doubt. This is a landmark. The point about the election is relevant. Just as in Benghazi.

    • lovemygirl says:

      It appears GZ will walk and then who will calm the crowds?

      • ytz4mee says:

        The threat of mass rioting was again one of those toothless “tools” used to quell dissent and to brutishly and inartfully attempt to force capitulation.

        There is not going to be mass rioting going on. And in select areas where they do try this nonsense, local PD who don’t put the clamp down on it pretty quick are going to find themselves in a world of hurt.

        • lovemygirl says:

          ’68 Chicago Cops need to do the job.

        • justfactsplz says:

          A blogger on Click Orlando said yesterday if George gets off it will be open season and the south better get ready. I have seen various threats of this nature.

          • ftsk420 says:

            I bet anything that nothing will happen. All they are doing is puffing their chest and blowing hot air.

            • justfactsplz says:

              I hope you are right. I am not s sure myself, the hatred from the race baiters is extreme. They don’t care if George is innocent.

              • ftsk420 says:

                I bet they wouldn’t recognize him if he was standing next to them at a bus stop. George could walk through Times Square and nobody would give him a second look.

                • jello333 says:

                  But justfacts is right… the hatred is real. It’s very real. These people, many of them at least, are NOT just putting on a show for internet viewers. I have NO doubt that certain ones of them would try (key word) to do damage to many of US if they met us face-to-face. Think about the girl who went crazy in the college classroom a few months ago. Yeah… some of these people are just as bad as that. It WILL get ugly, I’m afraid.

            • kathyca says:

              Agree. Am I the only person on the planet who doesn’t care at all about the threat of “thug riots”? Not relevant in my corner of the universe. Bring it….

              • justfactsplz says:

                I say bring it too even though I live in close vacinity of the “battleground’. The threats I know about are real and we cannot be intimidated. This crap must stop.

              • ftsk420 says:

                I’m not worried about the thug riots either.

              • Knuckledraggingwino says:

                Thug Riots = Target Rich Environment.

                Start off with HK-91 at 500 meters, then move up to Barrett, .50 BMG out to 2,000 meters.

                • Letsbefairtogz says:

                  WE won’t be shooting like this:

                  • rajabear1 says:

                    Oh good Lord….is that for real? Little twisted???? My kids and I were just talking about how ridiculous, ummm, shall we say some ‘folks’ or trash, are by ‘aiming’ and shooting this way. My son said because some of his buddies only really see someone on tv/movies shoot firearms this way, they truly believe that is the more accurate and best way to shoot. He has tried to tell them it’s all for show and they can’t aim correct, Guess this add proves him wrong.

          • ytz4mee says:

            Of course they did. That’s what they’re good at. Threats. It usually gets them what they want, which just reinforces the behavior.

            • justfactsplz says:

              This time it backfired on them big time.

              • Go to a gun show/expo this winter, buy an AR-15 in .308 Win (the gov is hoarding the 5.56 ammo), join the NRA & a sportsman’s club. You’ll get discounts on NRA sponsored classes, Sportsman club membership & people there will help you learn to shoot while under duress.

                • justfactsplz says:

                  I can shoot good. I always nail my target but I am a little out of practice and need to get busy. You are correct about the NRA.

          • Though I don’t welcome their attempt to take over through extermination, we’re more than ready. They’ve been covertly conducting their Race-War for the last ten years. Figure 12.8% of which more than half are female. Subtract young children & the elderly, the incarcerated, the Xbox cowards & you’re left with a small % of hateful racists wishing to commit genocide yet they can’t hit the proverbial broad side of a barn. It’s ironic that the gov can’t manage the economy but they can manage to keep the Classes & Races from uniting to oppose the current administration which has run amok spending as though there’s no tomorrow. They’re obviously treating us as though we’re mushrooms & like we must be thanking them because they keep feeding us more bulls–t.

            • justfactsplz says:

              It is unfortunate but you are correct. They were just looking for a reason to protest and stir up racial tension when this case came along. They are so fired up they will never accept the truth that George is innocent. I have talked to many that are ready if riots start up.

              • I harbor no racist animosity but I wont stand by idle while those haters attempt to murder Americans in the name of revenge. My opinion; The professional racist’s are selling them a pipe dream of taking control of the country & committing genocide in the name of revenge. I’ve been all over the “net” attempting to pry open their eyes that we need to stand together against gov abuse & the coming tyranny. No luck yet! There’s just too much hate out there

      • Arkindole says:

        If Sanford has a problem…and the state has a problem…
        They offer assistance in case of “disasters”

      • Smith, Wesson, Colt, HK & Gaston Glock.

  16. sundance says:

    Has any media picked up on the Don West Motion?

    Silence can be deafening.

      • sundance says:

        It really is sad how the media is no longer about real journalism. You can sense even in this bit of Weineresque writing he is sitting at his keyboard with a big “huh?” disposition.

        …. but, but, but… they said……

        • ytz4mee says:

          Lamestream Media isn’t touching with a ten foot pole
          Article in Lawyer Herald:

          “Recently, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda leaked the names of the witness. Whether this was an intentional move or accident remains unclear.

          Earlier this month, O’Mara said that his witness would be given numbers as identities. O’Mara will submitted a list of witness to Judge Debra Nelson, while keeping their names unknown.

          According to an article in the Orlando Sentinel, Rionda filed a summary sheet, which is open to the public, on November 8 at the Seminole County Court. The summary has a list of a number of witnesses.

          Whether Judge Nelson will take any action against the prosecutor is yet unclear

          Clearly they need time to regroup. Cruise by some of the more rabid sites that are fronts for the Scheme Team to find the protesting … I mean, agreed upon “talking points” in response to this new development. I’m sure it will all be quite entertaining as they attempt to explain it all away ….

        • rajabear1 says:

          Hello SD. Very true. Even in something as obvious as the Benghazi story, they won’t even do something as simple as rewinding their own footage from the press conferences and speeches from just the first week from BO, clinton and Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif. Coupled with the speeches from the UN from bo and the muslim countries, you get a very accurate picture of the lies they are spinning now centered on Rice and the ‘who knew what when’ crap. All they have to do is look at their own footage! Sorry, just had to repeat that cuz it’s so stinking crazy.
          Mind you, it’s only the tip of the iceberg concerning what happened and why to our heroes from that night in Benghazi, actually more like a distraction to avoid the real truth, but it would put the back’n’forth for this particular issue to bed and they won’t do it. Anytime I think of real journalism, I think of people like Breitbart and how he was maligned by the frauds. Very few like him. I have come to see this sight and a couple others as real journalism. I find your depth of investigating (from the very beginning) of the TM case stunningly detailed. You probably scare the panties off of the progressive media…good.

        • nameofthepen says:

          sundance says: “It really is sad how the media is no longer about real journalism.”

          True. I love Chip Bennet’s label for them: “The Ministry of Propaganda”

    • ftsk420 says:

      I haven’t seen or heard anything. Even bigboithemut has been silent.

    • ytz4mee says:

      Rene filed a story that Sanford cops a problem for the Prosecution, says “experts”. Heh.,0,6861430.story

    • ytz4mee says:

      We tweeted it from the Treehouse as well as several digs at teh Crumpster about DeeDee’s age. If people want to help, they can go to the #TrayvonMartin or #Zimmerman hashtag on Twitter and re-tweet them out …. that will be the issue trending. It is better to re-tweet than to MT.

    • sunnydaze77 says:

      Benjamin Crump, Esq. ‏@attorneycrump
      No Comment…Staying focused on JUSTICE. No time to waste on Distractions. #Trayvon, #Ernest, & #Jordan…NEVER FORGET!
      Retweeted by Natalie Jackson
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  17. ottawa925 says:

    Is there any proof whatsoever that DD was on phone with Trayvon?

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Ottawa – Probably DeeDee just did what she was coached to say. Trayvon’s cell phone had a dead battery. How do you talk or text to anyone with a dead cell phone?

      • ctdar says:

        Pink phone with sticker on it found at scene was probably one Martin had stolen…what “cool” teen be caught er dead ( :roll: ) with one like that & he supposedly owned?

      • ottawa925 says:

        ok thank you guys (boutis and myopiafree). I had been waiting for someone at some point to establish either by ping or phone records through discovery that Trayvon was indeed on the phone with someone … DD or otherwise. She or someone had said the phone had gone dead. So I’ve been waiting as all of you have been to know if this was true, or the scheme team just decided to coerce this girl into saying she was on phone with him and making up all the stuff she said. If they indeed got her involved to make up this story they all should hang.

        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Ottawa – Yes – with all Crump’s lies, and DeeDee’s coached and FALSE statements, it has cost the State of Florida about $2,000,000. That is what the taxpayers are paying for this Crump-created FARCE. Crump’s calumny against the innocent George Zimmerman, and LIES about “Minor” DeeDee, is what this is all about. Bring the popcorn – TreeHouse has done wonders for George and family.

    • justfactsplz says:

      NO there is not!

  18. dizzymissl says:

    George and his family are going to be able to live the rest of their lives on an island sipping umbrella drinks. Crump and the rest of the crew will be drinking weak, store brand koolaid out of paper cups in the ghetto, or, even better, the pokey.

    Love it.

  19. akathesob says:

    WOW The Treehouse just slammed the Dream Team all to he**!

  20. ytz4mee says:

    Watching Angela Corey’s press conference where she preens as she announces the second murder charge and the capias is stomach-turning in hindsight. So is the sight of watching Benjamin Crump, on the announcement of the second degree murder charge, literally licking his lips in delight, like a ravished rottweiler impatiently waiting as his food bowl is refilled.

    “…adhere to the rules of the criminal justice system and rules of our constitution and statues that protect a defendent’s rights as well…..”

    The stonewalling and outright lies (redacting the putative DeeDee’s age, for example) makes a mockery of your grandstanding, Corey.

    I hope that you are all forever ruined, professionally and financially. You are several exits of evil past Nifong.

    • janc1955 says:

      “Several exits of evil past Nifong.” Absolutely love that.

    • gretchenone says:

      Heinous people, every one of them.

    • nameofthepen says:

      ytz4mee says: “Watching Angela Corey’s press conference…”

      Ha hahahaaa…

      I watched again (Corey’s speech starts @ about 15:00)

      Every crafted phrase she burps out now makes her sound (to me at least) like she’s doing a viciously-satiric comedic routine on herself.

      But, don’t get me wrong. I’m no less sickened and outraged, nor less desirous of full karmic and human justice to strike all of them, than are you, Ytz.

  21. Well now that we know she is an adult, do you think Frances Robles will try to ferret her out?

    Ok, I can’t even type it with a straight face.

    • ctdar says:

      I remember too that someone said back than they thought she sounded older during interview

    • ftsk420 says:

      Doubt it Robles already picked sides.

    • John Galt says:

      Will Robles take cognizance of the fact that Crump lied?

    • What about “Natty” tweeting that there would be consequences for posting the name of a minor? Didn’t she get the Trayvonites worked up to where they were falling all over themselves & swearing that the Tree House was going to get sued big time? Either “Natty’s” out of the loop or she didn’t remember the memo that they were going with the eighteen year old DeeDee rather than the sixteen year old wannabe actress.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Exactly. And her most recent Tweets about the Defense “not figuring it out” will be helpful. It’s not up to the defense to “figure out” who witnesses are, and what they have said. It is up to the State to turn that information over, completely and fully, without redactions, edits or omissions to the defense.

        • I’m kinda glad that even though the Scheme Team apparently made the decision to keep their lips zipped, Queen Natty of the Scheme Team can’t live without the attention the limelight has afforded her. My opinion; The more they talk themselves up & brag about how inept the defense & CTH are, the deeper they’re burying themselves & they’re looking to be waist deep in their own waste. I don’t do Twitter or Facebook but If I did, I’d be giving them back slaps to keep them talking about themselves.

    • hooson1st says:


      You have made a very good point.

  22. david says:

    I see Bigboi and her sheeple are still attempting to pimp their petition which even their “Guru” Leatherface has already deemed completely useless as 1) there has already been a civil rights investigation and 2) private citizens acting as private citizens cannot be charged with civil rights violations. My feeling is they will continue to push this nonsense because to abandon it would mean they would have to admit to being wrong which is something indoctrinated sociopathic lunatics simply cannot tolerate.

    • lovemygirl says:

      Just look at them as examples of what you don’t want your children to become.

    • Every dog needs a bone to gnaw upon, theirs just happens to be made of rubber & held together with duck-tape LOL. Their kind are harmless to George’s legal situation & irrelevant to the vast majority of bloggers. I couldn’t be bothered to attempt stealing their dreams from them, I’d feel guilty as though I were using a magnifying glass on an ant mound.

  23. diwataman says:

    How are the tweetnits going to spin Crumps big fat lie about her being a “minor child’?

    • ftsk420 says:

      That’s what I have been wondering. I have been trying to remember if Dee Dee her self ever said she was a minor. But this is a big problem for Crump and the rest of them.

      • boutis says:

        Maybe this is her mental age. Or social development age. Or grade. They will come up with something that has nothing to do with legal age and will not save her from being deposed.

    • sundance says:

      Prolly initial disposition was to quick call Julison, who might prefer to allow all incoming calls to reach voicemail while he searches for kleenex and fumbles through

      ADD: However, in all seriousness: D-man, you know this ‘revelation’ is not really a surprise. That said, I have been thinking about their strategy for this inevitable day for some time. I have a pretty clear idea what approach they will take, but some things are better left unsaid for now.

      When you know what direction the opposition/enemy will take in retreat – it is best not to announce your flanking manuever.

    • Cesar BBiano says:

      Maybe they’ll compare DeeDee to Susan Rice. Both are under scrutiny not because of their statements, but because they are black females. You can’t question either one. That would be racist!

    • John Galt says:

      Simple misunderstanding. Crump meant that she extracts minerals from the ground.

    • jello333 says:

      As big a deal as that is, there’s other stuff in the motion that is even bigger IMO. Especially the stuff listed in that last footnote, all the stuff that’s been hidden from the defense for months. And the fact that there’s gonna be separate motions to follow concerning all that. With today’s motion, and the last one, and the ones to come, these guys are clearly laying the groundwork for something bigger than George’s exoneration. They’re now going after the conspirators.

    • jordan2222 says:

      It is possible that Crump’s DeeDee is 16 and the state’s DeeDeei is 18.

      • hooson1st says:

        I thought that as well, but Crump identified the age as a 16 year old who was talking to TM at 7:12 p.m. that evening on the cell phone.

      • hooson1st says:

        and we don’t know if TM talked to more than one female that day in that 7 hour period.

  24. ottawa925 says:

    after disbarment and public humilation … like it is in this clip the end for Zampano … so it will be the end for Crump … I hope he watches this:

    • jello333 says:

      IMO, we’ll eventually learn that Jackson and probably Parks knew just as much as Crump did, and had just as big a hand in constructing the lies as he did. And if so, Crump better not be the only one getting locked up.

      • justfactsplz says:

        I have long thought that a blogger I have debated with was Nat Jackson. They had too many similarities. I remember Nat was saying Trayvon was just walking along talking to his girlfriend. I went around with this person that the Dee Dee call never happened. Almost immediately Nat stopped saying that.

  25. boutis says:

    Why is West going after the ear witness audio first rather than the phone records of Trayvon Martin? Firstly West and MOM want the judge to make Crump provide the “evidence” he has which was used to force an indictment and all the machinations that accompanied it. He wants all the witnesses to said audio tape also so they can be deposed. ALL of them, Witness 8, Crump, the family, the media, and the PR zen master and anyone else who sat there listening so they can give “their story”. You know they are fighting like cats to be left off of Crump’s list. After this is exhausted West and MOM will go after the phone and telecom records. There will be major discrepancies in what those technical records will show and what the Team says happened in “the phone call” which is why those records have not been volunteered and why the prosecution has not gotten them to back up their “star witness”. I am starting to think there was no phone call and the telecom records will prove it but after West and MOM get them all on the record for civil action.

    • justfactsplz says:

      I totally believe there was no phone call.

      • boutis says:

        Anything in the phone log records from the telecom carrier that shows something different from what has been alleged kills the probative value and the veracity of any testimony of Witness 8 and all of the other audio witnesses that Crump is compelled to provide. BDLR knows he needs corroborating evidence to prove the phone call occurred, that witness 8 was on the line when she alleged she is an ear witness. Cory and BDLR and their investigators either did not get it, or know it doesn’t exist. Either way the prosecutors are on the hook as they should be.

      • dmoseylou says:

        I totally believe what you believe.

      • jordan2222 says:

        You have said this for a long time. If that is true, this will a lot more than prosecutorial misconduct but what makes you so completely convinced?

        • justfactsplz says:

          Things I have known for a long time. I was beginning to think crucial evidence had just disappeared but I can see now that the defense is on it and it will come out. This motion proves that it will all be exposed. This evidence existed even before George was arrested. .

          • jello333 says:

            From what I understand, everything George had been told, right up till the day before Corey held her press conference, was that charges would NOT be filed. And that George only learned he was gonna be arrested when the rest of the world did: When Corey announced it on TV. Do you know if that’s true? If so, that is just horrible. Sounds like Corey’s intent was to freak George and family out as much as possible…. and I guarantee the slimy woman enjoyed every minute of it. Based on this case, and the 12-yr-old kid’s case, and several others, I’m confident in saying: Angela Corey is just flat-out EVIL.

            • justfactsplz says:

              George was in hiding out of state at the time. Shellie was still with the Ostermans. He was on his way to get Shellie. I heard there was going to be a press conferance and I feared the worst. I called the Ostermans to tell them. George had a contact with FDLE. He called that person and asked if he was going to be arrsested. They thought no he wasnt’t. Then Angela Corey came on T.V. The FDLE person called George back and told him yes he WAS going to be arrested so George made arrangements to meet them and turn himself in. It was a total shock. That is how Angela works. And the case about the twelve year old was ridiculous. That child needed help for sure but not prison for life. Up until a short time before the arrest they kept telling George he would not be charged, that there was no evidence against him.

              • jello333 says:


                Corey is SLIME… I don’t know how else to put it. How any of her relatives can stand to be near her is beyond me.

                • justfactsplz says:

                  After I replied to you above I started thinking about that awful day. My thoughts go straight to Shellie. Here she was exciting to see George after not seeing him in awhile then the bombshell of this news hit. George went straight to jail and Shellie did not see him that day. She did not see him again until he was released on bond. George did not want anyone to come visit him in jail and the media get pictures of them. How awful that time must have been for both of them but especially Shellie, because we women are such emotional creatures.

            • jordan2222 says:

              I have never accepted the story that an arrest was made to prevent riots. I still think that Scott made the decision AFTER talking to “some people” but I do not know who they were except that Corey (and maybe Bondi) were probably involved.

              I also think that a decision to arrest George was made BEFORE Corey actually began her investigation. There is more to this than meets the eye. I just have not figured it out yet but would bet that SD has some good insight other than the preventing riots explanation.

              This damn thing has been rooted in politics and money from the moment Crump got involved.
              Watch how quickly Crump appears when a black person is killed by whitey. Name one time he has got involved in a case in which whitey was killed.

              Unless he is stopped, he will surpass Jesse Jackson in extortion winnings. The best chance to do this lies within George’s case. SD seems to think he is immune but I hope he is wrong this one time.

              • ftsk420 says:

                Well I think it started with the Martins who are all about the money. I feel they saw George as a white person who was Jewish and thought cha ching. From there I believe it was politics on Corey’s part. I do believe the threat of riots played a role as well.

                • jello333 says:

                  Speaking of the Martins thinking George was “white”….

                  Has anyone ever seen a picture of Trayvon or any of his family members with a non-black person? Or on any of Trayvon’s (or his friends) Facebook or Twitter pages. Any non-black people… at all? Similarly for Tracy and his online presence. If there are pictures I’ve missed, then sorry. But I just don’t remember any… not even one. And if that’s true, then it can not, simply can NOT be coincidental. You would have to INTENTIONALLY make sure all your friends and acquaintances were black (same goes for a white person with ONLY white friends). Why is that never talked about?

                  • doodahdaze says:

                    Thank You. I made this point long ago. Did T-Con have even one white friend of record? Very good. You win a cookie.

                  • ftsk420 says:

                    He was racist and didn’t like Crackas. He did say “Black people call they cousin White people call the cops”

    • ytz4mee says:

      Yes. The best part is, they are all going to be deposed separately, so they can’t coordinate their responses in real time. They already have enough trouble keeping the official story line straight in front of a syncophantic media without being under pressure and redirection. I’m so disappointed the depositions won’t be made public. :-(

  26. Cesar BBiano says:

    This revealing of DeeDee’s age makes it all the more sad. I have a six year old niece that makes better sense than her. lol

  27. John Galt says:

    Why not just depose Crump? The judge already ordered Crump to bring the original recording to the deposition. If he didn’t bring it, then file a motion for contempt. Also, if anybody falsely represented Dee Dee to the court as a minor, it seems to me that they should be sanctioned.

    The particularly absurd part is BDLR’s purported representation that he can’t collect private property as evidence. I guess Florida can save a bunch of money spent on maintaining evidence rooms.

    • ytz4mee says:

      Crump is on the list to be deposed. It is important to have the forensics of the purported DeeDee interview tape analyzed FIRST, because it will lead to many of the questions in the deposition. Chain of custody will be a big part of it. Remember, Crump didn’t have the Po-leece or the FBI interview DeeDee, “he” did and then had the “interview” disseminated to the media using Matt Gutman as his cat’s paw.

      BDLR’s interview of DeeDee – again, he didn’t have an experienced investigator do it, he did it himself – was filled with outrageously leading/coaching statements. From the beginning, they handled DeeDee with extreme care and only allowed “certain” people access to the DeeDee. And I say “the DeeDee” because we’re talking about a work of fiction here.

      Nope. Get the alleged original first, then depose.

      Make. popcorn.

      • jello333 says:

        We’re talking a lot about Crump, but what about Bernie? Assuming he knows about the lies, the conspiracy, and he knows that everything Dee Dee said was constructed, isn’t HE in some legal jeopardy too? I mean even if he wasn’t directly involved in creating the story-line, and putting words in Dee Dee’s mouth (a big assumption, IMO), just him KNOWING what was going on should be enough to make him a co-conspirator… right?

        • jordan2222 says:

          Of course.

        • The Assistant State Attorney’s will be looking at probable federal indictment & prosecution under both federal sections.
          Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241 – Conspiracy Against Rights
          Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 – Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law

          Corey & Bondi may be culpable but I’m not sure whether Judge Lester & Gov Scott are going to skate on by under the radar. Do Lester & Scott maintain plausible deniability? I’d guess that Lester will go unscathed whereas Scott is in deep because he’s in charge of the State government. He’s ultimately responsible for the State filing the unsubstantiated charges that Angela Corey knew or at least should’ve known ,since Corey had like 46 investigators working on the case, were false because they were filed due to fabricated evidence. I expect Corey, Bondi & Scott to each eat a federal indictment.
          Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241 – Conspiracy Against Rights

          • arkansasmimi says:

            Maybe this is one of the reasons Loopy Lester did what he did to get off the case ..

            • jello333 says:

              Just imagine watching the next hearing, and MOM or West standing up and saying this to the judge. I mean, this would be one of the greatest moments in the history of the world.

              “Your Honor, in the coming days, we will be submitting evidence that implicates several individuals in a massive fraud and civil-rights conspiracy. We fear that some of these individuals may attempt to flee the country rather than face charges. Therefore we’re asking you now to order the following individuals to surrender their passports: Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson, Daryl Parks, Ryan Julison, Frances Robles, Bernie De La Rionda, Angela Corey, Tracy Martin, Jeff Triplett, Norton Bonaparte, Al Sharpton, and Malik Shabazz.”

              (I think I’d faint dead away!)

              • jordan2222 says:

                Nice list, jello, but those are the underlings. Doncha think we might as well go after the hierarchy: Rick Scott, Eric Holder, Ben Jealous and the head of the snake, Barrack Obama.

                • jello333 says:

                  Yeah, but I figured those guys would be untouchable, at least to start with. But once the others start to “sing”?…. then, ya never know. ;)

            • doodahdaze says:

              I think Lester is culpable. I think he is in Hot Water. He conspired to charge Shellie. Behind the back of the defense. Not good for an impartial trier of the facts. The 5th DCA sent him packing. As goes Lester as goes this case. A judge is sposed to be impartial.

            • If Lester foresaw the writing on the wall & screwed up purposefully then the guy deserves an Oscar

      • Cupcake says:

        Yep! Unbelievable isn’t it? Lots of popcorn! And beer!

      • arkansasmimi says:

        a friend of mine who works for Sheriffs office here, says the chain of custody is gonna be a huge deal, he knows from first hand work from his workplace.

  28. ftsk420 says:

    Maybe this will make Dee Dee open her eyes. She was basically left alone because she was supposedly a minor but now we know she’s not she’s gonna be fair game in a lot of people’s eyes. That is if Dee Dee is even still around.

    • James F says:

      :lol: Now, I will ash you her parents does not in any way want to revere her identity! She is a minor!

    • ytz4mee says:
    • sundance says:

      Someone sent this to me. I thought the title of it was funny: “Reading Is Hard“.

      …..”I’m wondering about the age discrepancy of Witness 8 – “DeeDee” and how her age has been established. The motion offers no proof.”…..

      Apparently, The sworn statement from the States Witness #8, where she affirms her age as 18 years old on April 2nd 2012, to the prosecution, and is provided to Attorney Don West in September, is not proof of anything.

      Follow the logic: She’s not 18, she only swore under oath she was…. that doesn’t make it real or anything……..

      This is the mindset of people who actually engage in “voting” n stuff. :(

      • diwataman says:

        They truly are a hopeless lot aren’t they? Trying so desperately to avoid that burning of cognitive dissonance in their brain, by the time they begin to even comprehend the beginning of Crump’s scheme this case will be over and they will be left wanting, while Crump is on to the next prospect laughing all the way as they say..

      • ytz4mee says:

        Hilarious. And, apparently demanding that the State turn over evidence that they are required by statute to provide, and is exculpatory to your client and necessary to your defense, is “whining”, as is pointing out the State’s deliberate evasions and willful stonewalling.

        I guess this is the “official talking point” now, courtesy of the all-knowing Drum Circle.

        They’re allowed to vote. And drive. Both are terrifying prospects.

      • lovemygirl says:

        From Leatherheads idiotic blog.
        “Friday Night Open Thread
        2 Votes
        Due to some unexpected complications (nothing serious), I was unable to complete the article that I had planned to post today.
        Therefore, I have created this open thread instead.
        Thank you,

        Maybe his “unexpected complications ” had something to do with realizing his blog will end now that the Truth is emerging. ;)

      • LittleLaughter says:

        Should any of them ever be charged with anything, see how fast they will want Discovery, and a good lawyer who will demand it.

      • selfdefenseadvocate says:

        Thanks for posting that link sundance. I had never been to that site before, but I won’t be going back. Reading that garbage is a waste of time. Sadly, you can’t fix stupid. :cry:

      • ackbarsays says:

        Unless he can cut her in half and count her rings, he’ll remain convinced that there is no “proof” that she was 18.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        I guess she is witness 8, 2 dd’s so thats how they got 16? lmbo

      • nameofthepen says:

        sundance says: “This is the mindset of people who actually engage in ‘voting’ n stuff. :(

        Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge. — Isaac Asimov

    • LoudaJew says:

      good job as always Diwataman. I wonder if there are videos of Parks or Nat Jack claiming the same.

    • hooson1st says:

      succinct, diwataman.

    • nameofthepen says:

      Awesome, Diwataman! :twisted:

    • doodahdaze says:

      Justice Dept. This was before the director sent in the FBI. Crump thought he was immune. He thought he could get away with it because his cause negated due process.

  29. maggiemoowho says:

    Fox Orlando just reported that the recordings are of TM and his 16yr old girlfriend. Why can’t they get facts straight. Now people are going to think there is a recording of TM talking to his girlfriend.

  30. janc1955 says:

    Wow! That motion to compel was a tasty little treasure. I don’t think I’ll need my usual bedtime snack tonight. :D

  31. boutis says:

    The Sun-Sentinel is trying to blame the SPD for the imploding case. “O’Donnell, of John Jay College, predicted the state may have to “throw the cops under the bus.”

    Said O’Donnell: “The prosecution will come back and say, ‘What do you expect them to say about a case that they bungled?”,0,2270309,full.story

    The Sun-Sentinel is still floating the same old same old. The cops were right and are apparently saying so.

    • John Galt says:

      Galbraith announced it at the first bond hearing. State has no evidence.

    • diwataman says:

      Too bad at Corey’s presser she praised the work of the SPD.

    • James F says:

      Too bad Corey is on record saying SPD “were a tremendous help” and “launch(ed) a thorough and intensive investigation.” All O’Mara has to do is play this part of her press conference to the jury.

      QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) looked closely at how the police conducted their investigation? Looking back at the Sanford Police Department, would you say their investigation was thorough?

      COREY: Well, I am not going to comment on that, other than that they were a tremendous help to us and had already done a lot of witness interviews.

      They did what the police do. Any time you have a shooting scene and there is a person whose death is caused, the police launch a thorough and intensive investigation. That was done here.

      But before the investigation could be finished, there was a lot of outcry about this case. And then, it changed course and we got appointed to take over the investigation.

      • diwataman says:

        Wow, you and me are like on the same wavelength at the same exact minute, lol.

      • ytz4mee says:

        I also found it interesting that Corey states in her presser that the US Marshal service was involved … whom she thanks from the podium.

        Yet I have heard absolutely nothing about the role of the US Marshal service prior to Zimmerman’s formal arrest, and what they may have contributed to Crump’s “objectif ebidents”

        • floridianne says:

          I’m guessing they contributed nothing except being on stand-by to pursue and arrest GZ once a warrant was issued. GZ burst their bubble by contacting Corey’s office and turning himself in rather than fleeing and having to be hunted down. You know like a real criminal wanted for murder would typically do?

          • justfactsplz says:

            LE knew George’s whereabouts at all times and when he heard there was a warrant for his arrest he immediately complied and turned himself in.

        • arkansasmimi says:

          Maybe she was talking about Ousterman (sorry if I bungled his name) since Geo was staying with them. Hmm possible thats where Robles got her lead…

  32. david says:

    With today’s shocking revelations it is more impotant than ever to promote our White House petition for a federal investigation into violations of George ZImmerman’s civil rights. We are at 559 signatures and growing!

  33. david says:

    I see the Traybots have started a White House petition for a constitutional ban of SYG laws. I guess that is their next move now that change for trayvon was a big flop

    • maggiemoowho says:

      They only want it banned because the monsters that they create can’t commit felonies anymore without a fear of being shot. After all it’s much easier to take rights away from law abiding citizens than it is to teach your offspring right from wrong and proper respect.

  34. akathesob says:

    Still in a stupor after reading this.

  35. nomorebsplease says:

    I adore dee / x fashion obsess. Daiesha brianne. Yet she was not the girl people thought was the girlfriend. A photo of tray with a girl by his side not too much time before he died was of another girl. That is why i always felt this story of dee dee as his g.f. Made no sense. Dee dee/daiesha was not that girl. That girl called him best friend which, since the name deedee likely came from her and not the girl he shares a photo with, a photo that lends impression to them being a couple.

    One could have scoured his social media past in a hurry and assumed he had gf while inventing a name deedee.

    It always felt rotten. From the crump mis statement of the shooting happenong after nba all star game halftime to the three stooges arriving to 711 right after he takes a quick phone call and says “hello”. To which only uk media would air.

    All rotten. All of them. Maybe west can find the mystery trayvon snack chad takked about when fox news interviewed him. Good on him. Gonget ‘em, don. Time to take out the trash finally. Put a bangaz on a crooka.

  36. david says:

    Florida Statutes 914.22 – Tampering with or harassing a witness, victim, or informant; penalties
    Florida Statutes > Title XLVII > Chapter 914 > § 914.22 – Tampering with or harassing a witness, victim, or informant; penalties

    Current as of: 2011
    Check for updates
    2010 version
    (1) A person who knowingly uses intimidation or physical force, or threatens another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, or offers pecuniary benefit or gain to another person, with intent to cause or induce any person to:

    (a) Withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official investigation or official proceeding;

    (b) Alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the integrity or availability of the object for use in an official investigation or official proceeding;

    (c) Evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official investigation or an official proceeding;

    (d) Be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process;

    (e) Hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of information relating to the commission or possible commission of an offense or a violation of a condition of probation, parole, or release pending a judicial proceeding; or

    (f) Testify untruthfully in an official investigation or an official proceeding,

    commits the crime of tampering with a witness, victim, or informant.

    (2) Tampering with a witness, victim, or informant is a:

    (a) Felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a misdemeanor.

    (b) Felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a third degree felony.

    (c) Felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a second degree felony.

    (d) Felony of the first degree, punishable by a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a first degree felony or a first degree felony punishable by a term of years not exceeding life.

    (e) Life felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a life or capital felony.

    (f) Felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the offense level of the affected official investigation or official proceeding is indeterminable or where the affected official investigation or official proceeding involves a noncriminal investigation or proceeding.

    (3) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from:

    (a) Attending or testifying in an official proceeding or cooperating in an official investigation;

    (b) Reporting to a law enforcement officer or judge the commission or possible commission of an offense or a violation of a condition of probation, parole, or release pending a judicial proceeding;

    (c) Arresting or seeking the arrest of another person in connection with an offense; or

    (d) Causing a criminal prosecution, or a parole or probation revocation proceeding, to be sought or instituted, or from assisting in such prosecution or proceeding;

    or attempts to do so, commits the crime of harassing a witness, victim, or informant.

    (4) Harassing a witness, victim, or informant is a:

    (a) Misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a misdemeanor.

    (b) Felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a third degree felony.

    (c) Felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a second degree felony.

    (d) Felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a first degree felony.

    (e) Felony of the first degree, punishable by a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the official investigation or official proceeding affected involves the investigation or prosecution of a felony of the first degree punishable by a term of years not exceeding life or a prosecution of a life or capital felony.

    (f) Felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, where the offense level of the affected official investigation or official proceeding is indeterminable or where the affected official investigation or official proceeding involves a noncriminal investigation or proceeding.

    (5) For the purposes of this section:

    (a) An official proceeding need not be pending or about to be instituted at the time of the offense; and

    (b) The testimony or the record, document, or other object need not be admissible in evidence or free of a claim of privilege.

    (6) In a prosecution for an offense under this section, no state of mind need be proved with respect to the circumstance:

    (a) That the official proceeding before a judge, court, grand jury, or government agency is before a judge or court of the state, a state or local grand jury, or a state agency; or

    (b) That the judge is a judge of the state or that the law enforcement officer is an officer or employee of the state or a person authorized to act for or on behalf of the state or serving the state as an adviser or consultant.

    • nameofthepen says:

      david says: “Florida Statutes 914.22 – Tampering with or harassing a witness, victim, or informant; penalties…”

      Nice post, David. Very informative.

      Looks like a Smörgåsbord of felonies applicable to the Scheme Team. :twisted:

  37. nomorebsplease says:

    Can somebody show me where to get chads magic headphones that block out a shooting, a scuffle,cops helicopters, news crews and emt? My cats are noisy and i need a good night’s sleep. Maybe don west should ask him…

    • diwataman says:

      lolz, while waiting for his skittles no less, you’d think he’d be nosed pressed up the window like waiting.

    • Here’s a Cod or a Grouper. I still believe Chad was recording their intended beat-down of George Zimmerman & that Austin Brown witnessed the beating prior to the gunshot. The gunshot frightened both the dog & Austin, causing Austin to drop the leash. That’s when the dog ran after Chad as he was booking it back to mom Brandy’s condo. I’d bet that phone has a partial video clip of Trayvon attacking George, Trayvon mounting George MMA style & slamming George’s skull against the concrete while George called for help.

  38. James F says:

    Ricky J tried to break the news over at HuffPo but they are still in delusional denial.

    56 Fans
    6 hours ago ( 7:28 PM)
    Big news over at the gzlegal site today. Don West has written a motion demanding evidence Crump has been stonewalling. Among the revelations, we find out that Crump, Jackson etc have been lying that DeeDee is a minor. Crump even said she was 16. She signed an affidavit that she was 1 when de la Rionda interviewed here but Bernie somehow forget to send it to the defense until recently. And the story of how Crump edited the tape he made is pretty revolting. Pretty soon the lynch Zimmerman mob on this site will get a nasty jolt of reality as to how phony this case is.

    56 Fans
    5 hours ago ( 7:56 PM)
    Typo there. She swore she was 18.

    Nancy Benefiel
    283 Fans
    4 hours ago ( 9:27 PM)
    When did DeeDee testify under oath? It’s always been said that she is 16. Methinks thou art stretching again.

    732 Fans
    4 hours ago ( 9:23 PM)
    Oh Ricky…you are fantasizing again…

    26 Fans
    4 hours ago ( 9:41 PM)
    That’s all they do….Dream….

  39. diwataman says:

    People win the powerball and Don West kicks some ass, you know what that means!

  40. smoothcriminal says:

    lmfao @ crump


      • smoothcriminal says:

        sorry mod trying again.


        Benjamin Crump, Esq.
        No Comment…Staying focused on JUSTICE. No time to waste on Distractions. #Trayvon, #Ernest, & #Jordan…NEVER FORGET!

        • ytz4mee says:

          That’s because he hasn’t figured out the “Talking Point” yet.
          I hope he comes up with something better than the Letterhead premise that
          to point out the lies, stalling and deliberate obstruction is “whining”.
          In their world, all that is left is how much rope to measure out.
          This other stuff, like proof, and mounting a defense is annoying.

        • diwataman says:

          So the Trayvon Martin case is now a distraction for Crump?

        • anwtexa says:

          Being caught in mega lie is just a “distraction”. What an audacious fool!
          How dare he and the rest try to destroy innocent lives.
          And, too, remember all the people who were terrorized and bludgeoned in Trayvon’s name. Is that the way these individuals honor their dead? Disgraceful!

          It’s way past time for their “chickens to come home…”

          • selfdefenseadvocate says:

            Well said!!!!

          • myopiafree says:

            Hi Anwtexa – Crump is a sociopath. That means he LIES to achieve his GOAL. He will be strewing lies across the “landscape”, until he gets caught. Sociopaths do indeed destroy lives, with no regard for the consequences of their actions. They just assume that everyone lies – but Crump (in his mind) just thinks he is better at it.

  41. david says:

    In Frances Robles world Judge Nelson directly ordering Crump to hand over the recording does not make Crump legally obligated to comply. Frances Robles ‏@RoblesHerald
    @StacyPage01 Maybe it’s more prosecutor stalling. I don’t think Crump is legally obligated unless there’s subpeona/search warrant/ ct order

  42. Cupcake says:

    Wow! Finally! Even though reading how Crump handed over an edited tape and thought he could get away with it and is obstructing justice and how BDLR said the original tape is Crump’s “personal property” makes me want to vomit, this makes me so happy! And Dee Dee is 18? Icing on the cake. Cheers!

  43. James F says:

    Is Nasty Nat referring to CTH here? I thought she never read this site?

    • ytz4mee says:

      BDLR said @ hearing “don’t even know her age.”—

      Um, well, that’s a problem, NatJack.
      See, the rules of procedure dictate that BDLR provide that info to the defense in a timely manner.
      Which he didn’t.
      And now you think that’s funny.
      That’s also assuming that the person BDLR was dispatched to interview, (conveniently in Trashcan Momma’s living room and without a court reporter BTW) by the Scheme Team is the same DeeDee(s) heard on Crumpster’s faux “gamechanging” tape.
      Which you also refuse to hand over the original, untampered copy to FDLE, even though the family is committed to doing “everything they can to help”.

      • Justice4All says:

        Their case now becomes a 50-1 long shot without a copy of the unedited tape.

      • Cupcake says:

        That little tidbit of information in the motion that the “gamechanging” (ha ha!) Crump/DeeDee interview was in Sabrina’s living room, with Gutman, an aunt, and a cousin hangin’ around, but no trained law enforcement investigator or interviewer to be found, was just…..amazing. I’m speechless. Unbelievable.

      • jello333 says:

        I don’t think there are any co-ed prisons in the US, are there? Ah well… I’m not even sure Benny would WANT to share a cell with Nat.

      • doodahdaze says:

        If BDLR does not know her age how does he even know who she is? One of the most important things an investigator does is verify who the witness is. DOB, address, physical condition, etc.

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Ytz4 – Good catch. ON THAT BASIS – Bernie MUST RESIGN. Virtually NO PROSECUTOR CAN BE CAUGHT LYING – AND CONTINUE TO PROSECUTE THIS CASE!! I think our good lawyer friend, Kathy can confirm this fact.

    • Cupcake says:

      What the heck she talking about? Her partner in crime Crump said she was 16 and a minor, multiple times, did he not? Parks too. WOW. Just. Wow.

      • ytz4mee says:

        I believe that the Queen of the Scheme Team, NatJack herself, sat in on a presser grinning like a Cheshire Cat and affirmed that the “DeeDee” is a minor as well.
        I’m not in charge of the “Archives”, so I’m sure a Treeper who has indexed all their public statements and claims can pull that. For NatJack to deny any culpability in the gamesmanship of the identity including age and status (minor/not minor) of the fictional entity known as “the DeeDee” is remarkable and audacious in its boldness.

        • jello333 says:

          I love the new way you’re referring to her: “the Dee Dee” ;)

          Adding that “the” is just perfect. I think I’ll start doing it.

    • sundance says:

      I will repeat my oft repeated prior statement:

      The person Benjamin Crump described in his 3/20/12 press conference, and whom he named “DeeDee” was/is, correctly identified.
      The person who Benjamin Crump “presented” to Bernie De La Rionda, on 4/2/12 and identified as “DeeDee” is unknown….. to anyone except BDLR and Crump.

      Hence, from the outset we have assembled the entire construct of the “scheme” and the false guise.

      Benjamin Crump, could have looked through a School Yearbook to come up with the identity of his 3/20/12 version (media evidence) DeeDee, who knows. Because it was a complete fabrication.

      I have an idea how he constructed her. A very good idea. But only Crump knows what methods he actually employed to create the fictional character. That, I would surmise, is the standard of inquiry which will be revealed in the deposition he will be subjected to. It will be interesting to see who represents Benjamin Crump as his legal representative in that deposition.

      • hooson1st says:


        Do you think that BDLR would knowingly go along w/Crump in the use of a fake witness?

        • doodahdaze says:

          He used the witness for the criminal affidavit. If it is a fake witness BDLR will be cooling his heels in the Hoosegow. There is something so fishy here. Nobody talks on the phone that long. Unless maybe DD is a phone sex scam artist. Now that would be funny.

    • dizzymissl says:

      You can bet your last dollar that she reads every single word posted here about this case.

  44. david says:

    Whoops! Looks like Chump doesn’t want to comment! Benjamin Crump, Esq. ‏@attorneycrump
    No Comment…Staying focused on JUSTICE. No time to waste on Distractions. #Trayvon, #Ernest, & #Jordan…NEVER FORGET!
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  45. diwataman says:
    • James F says:

      What harassment? And Nasty Nat just sat there let this alleged harassment take place all because she and her scheme team knowingly lied about her age. If Nasty Nat honestly believed this girl was being harassed, all she had to do was tell the truth. The fact that she chose not too speaks volumes on her character, her lack of compassion and her self-righteous indignation.

    • Justice4All says:

      Natalie said yesterday she would be back in 2 weeks………She is back 1 day later should be a clear sign that she is sweating this.

    • nameofthepen says:

      diwataman – Whut??? LOL.

      “Those nasty Treepers have been victimizing the wrong fake witness!” :lol:

  46. ItsMichaelNotMike says:

    I have spent the last two hours reading the Motion, making some preliminary notes, and snooping around my computer (my Zimmerman directory has 12.6 GB in files).

    Had I not been involved in this case since mid-March I would have thought MOM West’s Motion was a movie script he was peddling to some Hollywood producer.

    I thought it was going to be a quiet holiday. Silly me. Guess now I’ll make a YouTube video discussing this Motion. I’ll give the play by play on the significance of everything West said. But this article has it right.

    This is a very serious filing. It is explosive, but not surprising. Great to see a public record setting forth for all to see what this Site has been saying since day one, George Zimmerman is innocent.

    Here’s my preliminary notes on the Motion, and just one of my files on Crump saying that his star witness was 16.

    3:00 am here. Night.

  47. michele says:

    The icing on the cake for me is that Dr. Phil will have to eat his friggin words….the “Dr” is a douche and this lets it be known that he’s nothing but a quack :)

    • justfactsplz says:

      You are correct. He knew when he majorly edited that interview that it wasn’t truthful, down to changing the unphotoshopped picture of Martin to actually showing the photoshopped version when the show aired. Dr. Phil left out any and every part where he had agreed with the Ostermans.

  48. michele says:

    Gnat Jackson needs to be the second in line for disbarment.

  49. JAS says:

    Footnote 14 in the motion is priceless!!


  50. myopiafree says:

    Bernie – MUST RESIGN NOW!! When the chief prosecutor is CAUGHT IN A LIE – he is profoundly COMPROMISED. He needs to recognize this fact – and ask Corey to REMOVE HIM FROM THIS CASE. Because this lie – will TAINT EVERYTHING HE SAYS – FROM NOW ON. O’mara and West know this – as does the Judge and Angela Corey.
    YTZ> Yes. What did BDLR know, and when did he know it?
    He knew that the person coughed up to play the part as “DeeDee” was 18 when he deposed her, yet he sat there as a potted plant and didn’t correct the record.”
    We know that Crump lies – with no limit. But a “State’s Prosecutor” – can not lie.
    I don’t know what a new prosecutor will be like, but it can’t be Bernie.
    This will be a matter of time – perhaps three or four weeks.

    • ytz4mee says:

      Never underestimate the actions of people who have been assured that the “Rules” don’t apply to them. Corey’s presser when announcing the charges set the stage.
      “Praying with the sweet parents of Trayvon Martin”.
      Hope she’s not angling for a Tony.

    • John Galt says:

      “I don’t know what a new prosecutor will be like, but it can’t be Bernie.
      This will be a matter of time – perhaps three or four weeks.”

      I would like to see Bernie held in contempt prior to his departure from the case.

    • doodahdaze says:


  51. arkansasmimi says:

    Dang miss a day and miss EVERYTHING :) Sorry if repeat, but this about DD being 18, that bring a whole new prospective on why BDLR made the ODD at the time comment to the Def about DD being a MINOR… off to catch up!

  52. arkansasmimi says:

    IF I HAD A SON…. looks like even more proof Obumma a schemer too :)

  53. arkansasmimi says:

    SD I am sending this article to the attny for the guy that shot the Hoskins guy in Arkansas. And also to the major media in Central Arkansas. So they are up to speed on CHUMP and his black magic he is trying to work. I hate for my state to fall into that slum pit.

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  56. doodahdaze says:

    According to Stare Decisis. A citizen can still claim his constitutional protection v an out of control state. They ain’t got us yet.

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  58. ejarra says:

    This whole “Who’s the real DeeDee?” reminded me of the old game show “To Tell The Truth”; where 3 (like there may be up to 3 DeeDees) contestants would try to convince the panel who the real (fill in the blank) is. Bud Collyer would say, “Would he real _____ please stand up.”; and one would. In this case, I doubt any of the three (two from the tape, one from the BLDR interview) DeeDees can say who the “real” one is and would stand up.

    What I find interesting is which DeeDee mother Sybrina supposedly talked to. That mother also needs to be disposed. I’d love to her tale.

    • ytz4mee says:

      Footnote 5 from the MTC
      5. In spite of repeated requests, Mr. Crump has refused to disclose to the undersigned (West) if this witness is a minor, a fact necessary under our rules to consider when scheduling a witness for deposition.

  59. minor4 says:

    IMO the defense is laying the groundwork to make a motion to exclude any evidence related to DeeDee or anything she might testify to. If they are successful, it’s likely the case will be dismissed by agreement because the state will have no evidence. The defense has meticulously documented their repeated requests and their need for the original recording and device.

    They are in a win/win position here if there are actually alterations of the tape or recorded info that undermines DeeDee’s testimony: 1. If Crump doesn’t turn it over, they will probably successfully have all DeeDee evidence excluded with a motion in limine; or 2. If Crump does turn it over, I would bet money the complete, unaltered recording will effectively destroy the reliability and credibility of DeeDee’s testimony. Either way, they will be able to negate any impact DeeDee testimony could have had.

    I think they are also laying roots for an eventual motion for mistrial (if it were to become necessary) based on Brady violations.

    There is some indication in the tone and in West’s previous comments in court that they are looking to silence Crump by making him a witness and piercing the attorney-client privilege he enjoys with his clients.

    • jello333 says:

      Actually, I don’t think MOM or West are the least bit worried about undermining, or destroying the credibility of Dee Dee or her statements and interviews. I think they feel she and her words have already quite successfully destroyed all credibility. As far as it’s potential to harm George, I don’t think they are the least bit concerned. And I definitely don’t believe their intent is to get all the Dee Dee evidence excluded. Just the opposite: I believe they want EVERYTHING to do with “the Dee Dee’s” to be brought fully into the light, and put on the official record. This has gone beyond the exoneration of George, although that’s still of prime importance. This is now also about holding the conspirators accountable for what they’ve done. And part of the proof of that conspiracy will be in any and ALL of “the Dee Dee” evidence.

  60. minor4 says:

    Their first and primary goal is to get the case dismissed or get an acquittal. I see this motion as a means to that end. They do not want the DeeDee evidence at George’s criminal trial in front of a jury , and they don’t want any mention that someone was on the phone with Trayvon when he confronted George.

    Yes, after the criminal case is disposed of, they might want to shine a very bright light on the whole DeeDee fraud or whatever it turns out to be, and it might be an important part of eventual defamation and official oppression lawsuits. But they don’t want this near a jury in a criminal trisl if they can get it excluded or use it as a means to have the case dismissed.

    • jordan2222 says:

      I think maybe you are not up to date on the latest news. There is no proof that Martin was on the phone with anyone named DeeDee. In fact, there may not even be a real DeeDee.

  61. minor4 says:

    I’m up to date. I think there is a “real” DeeDee but I think much of her story was suggested to her. I think she was saying what she thought her questioners wanted her to say, and I think Crump may get in some real trouble before this is all over. It is not news that Martin was not on the phone with this girl — it is speculation, and I do not believe that this person was entirely fabricated. If she was, this motion should expose that fact. We don’t know what proof there is and what there isn’t at this point.

    In any event, the defense does not want to have a jury hear anything about the DeeDee narrative.

    • nameofthepen says:

      minor4 says: “I’m up to date. I think there is a “real” DeeDee…It is not news that Martin was not on the phone with this girl — it is speculation, and I do not believe that this person was entirely fabricated.”

      Let’s get together for a poker game sometime, minor4. Bring cash. ;)

  62. Dangles says:

    This is a very interesting development. It turns out the DeeDee thing might blow up in the Scheme Team’s face. I get that DeeDee is a fabrication on some level (either one coached “witness” whose age and background was lied about in the media or two maybe even different people), but bear with me.

    Does anybody think that it’s possible that Trayvon was, in fact, on the phone–but with talking to someone other than the purported DeeDee? I don’t know how much credence I should give to the phone records that Crump-a-Dump produced, but if they’re legit, Martin must have been on the phone with SOMEBODY shortly before he attacked Zimmerman. TM could have been on the phone with an entirely different person altogether. Seeing this, Crump might have just inserted/invented the DeeDee story as way to further damage Zimmerman’s reputation and undermine his self-defense claim.

    We haven’t seen DeeDee’s supposed call log from that night. Only what Crump gave to the media (TM’s T-Mobile records). Re-reading this article made me realize that all of this might come crashing down like a house of cards if O’Mara and West are able to put “the dates and times” from DeeDee’s phone or “any GPS or cell tower information” into evidence.

    Just some wild speculation and hypothesizing: The “three stooges” have not been ID’d to my knowledge. Could he have been talking to one of them on the phone? After all, he was likely talking to them in the 7-11 as seen on the surveillance tape:
    here (nunyobidness):
    and here (diwataman):
    I know it’s possible that this might be irrelevant, but who knows? Maybe if the four of them were up to no good, TM could have been paranoid about Zimmerman, prompting TM to ask, “Do you have a f*cking problem?” bofore jumping GZ.

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