11-24 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

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    • jello333 says:

      “I think we have to step back as journalists and do the due diligence to say we need to be as fair and as balanced as we can moving this story forward.”

      Wow! What an amazing concept! :( Had ALL journalists had that attitude from the start, the whole Crump/Julison/Sharpton lie machine could never have gained traction.

    • ytz4mee says:

      Well, this was pretty much the complaint from all moderate people in the very beginning ….
      what I find interesting is that, in spite of their best, heavy-handed efforts, the media could not create overwhelming grass roots support for the Martin family’s version of events.

      And I don’t think anyone believes the Martin family or the Scheme Team were ever honestly interested at all in “justice” and letting the process work – otherwise, they would have been very happy with the seating of a Grand Jury and accepted the outcome. Instead, they pressured to have the Grand Jury process subverted and went instead for a politically motivated charge and created the conditions to coerce GZ into accepting a plea – which didn’t work. And contrary to the Crumpster, the Martin family did NOT cooperate fully with the State – instead of turning over the info for the cell phone, they lawyered up, and have continued to misrepresent what really happened that night. Never forget, Trashcan Dad’s first call was to Juvie to see if St. Skittles had been picked up. He also lied in the phone call about when they last had seen St. Skittles. So many lies – makes you wonder what really went on at the Green residence? Not to mention the witness tampering. If there really was a “justice” system, they would all be charged with Obstruction of Justice.

      The Scheme Team doesn’t have facts or reason on their side; what they do employ is threats, lies and ad hominem attacks. This is all starting to backfire on them, in a big way.

      • jordan2222 says:

        Well since they are trying to raise for their new “criminal defense fund,” maybe Tracy knows he will be charged for obstruction of justice by refusing to give up the PIN number for the cell phone, which he still has not done as of this date.

  1. diwataman says:

    I was just listening back on the Oct. 26th hearing, to City of Sanford attorney Mr. Flood and he had this to say in talking about the depositions O’Mara had previously with the SPD;

    “The depositions that we’ve had previously there were two attorneys for Mr. Zimmerman, two attorneys for the State, I[Mr. Flood] was there for the witnesses, and while the depositions were going on one of the State attorneys would go out and talk to the next witness, quite an unusual process, most of the witnesses had no problem with that, one of them did not appreciate that and wasn’t sure what they were supposed to do in that process.”

    After Mr. Flood spoke, the judge asked O’Mara if he had a response, he did not.

    So my questions are these;
    1) Which state attorney was going out and talking to witnesses?
    2) What witnesses did they talk to?
    3) What did the State’s attorney say to each witness?
    4) Which witness had the problem with the State doing this?
    5) What exactly did that witness have a problem with?
    6) Were there any other witnesses that had a problem with the State doing this?
    7) Why did O’Mara not respond?
    8) Was O’Mara aware this was going on during his depositions?
    9) What’s O’Mara doing about it now?
    10) Will O’Mara be watching out for this in future depositions?

    Joseph R. Flood
    http://www.drml-law.com/attorneys/josephflood.shtml

    @2:11: 54

  2. Ricky Jimenez says:

    Best Orlando Sentinel article in the case in a while, http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-trayvon-cell-phone-20121125,0,542835.story It is dated tomorrow for some reason. The comments about Tracy Martin and Crump are really interesting. What in the world are they hiding?

    • diwataman says:

      Trayvon was unarmed? Black? and 17? Oh, George is guilty for sure.

      “It’s not clear why Brenton at FDLE went no further than he did. FDLE did not respond to an email asking about the process, and neither did the office of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey”

      Well it’s about time the media starts asking questions. Did they ask for the document that shows that phone actually belongs to Tracy Martin? “The phone is registered to Trayvon’s father. According to police records” Really? What records? I haven’t seen them.

      “At a March 8 news conference in Orlando, Tracy Martin told reporters he would not help police download information from the phone.” Damn, how did I miss that one.

      “When questioned last month about Tracy Martin’s decision to withhold the phone’s PIN from authorities, family attorney Benjamin Crump said, “I don’t know anything about that. We’re going to do anything prosecutors say we should.” Damn, how did I miss this one. He’s such a liar. Is he throwing Tracy under the bus here?

      • LoudaJew says:

        the big question should be “Did Trayvon film the assault of George on his phone?”.

        • LoudaJew says:

          maybe that’s why DD felt guilty.

          • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

            Yup,
            cuz she said to him, “Why you running? you such a mama’s boy. You should go kick his ass”
            .
            to admit this, she must admit she was encouraging his lawlessness (ort it could be ordinary survivors guilt). she was a likely co-conspirator in the felonious attack on the neighborhood watch guy

        • Dexter says:

          One problem, for me, is the considerable amount of time it took for Trayvon to return from the 7-11. DeeDee claimed he ran home because it was raining. Slow runner. Some Sanford residents claim the distance can be walked in less than ten minutes. It’s not even half a mile. Maybe the cellphone could help in determining things better.

        • Knuckledraggingwin says:

          It was Chad filming TM’s assault on GZ.

          It is called aiding and abetting an assault.

          That is why Crump has diverted attention from him.

          That is why Crump has instructed Tracy to not provide the PIN code.

          That is why the police were instructed to not get fingerprints from the phone.

          • nameofthepen says:

            Knuckledraggingwin says: “It was Chad filming TM’s assault on GZ.”

            Hey, Knuckles…I think you’ve said this before, and I’ve kinda just “shined it on”. But, tonight, for some reason, it seemed to “land differently” when I read it.
            :idea:

            Now, wouldn’t it be funny to find out that the “orphan phone” (the Comet) was Chad’s phone, and indeed, DID record the “bangaz on da cracka” that night?

            Would sure make a lot of sense. And, it sure would blow Chad’s highly-unbelievable alibi for that night right out of the water…

            • jello333 says:

              Wow, very weird. Because I had exactly the same reaction as you. Before today, whenever I heard that theory, I was skeptical, and didn’t much comment on it. But for some reason, when I read that tonight, it didn’t feel so far-fetched. Really, really strange that we both had the same reaction.

              • nameofthepen says:

                jello333 says: “…Really, really strange that we both had the same reaction.”

                Hey, Jello. And yet, people are afraid to believe in telepathy. ;)

            • maggiemoowho says:

              If a person videotaped TM attacking GZ couldn’t they be charged under the felony murder statute, a death occurring as a result of participating in a felony, can result in your being charged with murder. I remember reading about a case where 2 men held up some store or pharmacy and the store clerk shot and killed one of the robbers, the other robber was charged with murder for being an accomplice to the crime that resulted in his friends death.

              • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

                Yup, both chad AND trayvon would then be charged as adults

                • nameofthepen says:

                  Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says: “Yup, both chad AND trayvon would then be charged as adults”

                  Hey, Liberals USED – I posted a reply to Maggie on this. If you would like, please do come read it, as it does also touch upon what you said here. :)

              • nameofthepen says:

                maggiemoowho says: “If a person videotaped TM attacking GZ couldn’t they be charged under the felony murder statute…”

                Maggie, you’re right. But, personally, I’m not interested in seeing Chad charged with anything.

                Personally, I feel there’s been enough “collateral damage” from this disgusting collective display of the worst humanity has to offer from amoral people such as Crump, Julison, Stutzman and Weiner, Holder, Obama, Sharpton, Corey, Nat Jackson, Tray mom and dad, etc., all jumped on the bandwagon together to do things “their way”.

                I think Chad is a fairly decent kid. Maybe I’m wrong, but if it should turn out to be the case that Chad was tangentially involved, then, again, to me, the prime fault lies with the people responsible for Trayvon’s upbringing and stewardship.

                As for Traymom and dad…I think this quote applies perfectly:

                You do not wake up one morning a bad person. It happens by a thousand tiny surrenders of self-respect to self-interest. ~Robert Brault

                • jello333 says:

                  My opinion about Chad is that IF he was involved, it wasn’t premeditated. I’d guess that he was sitting home when Trayvon came running in. “C’mon! Come watch me smack up this white dude!” Whereupon they both run back where George is, and… Again, all this is total speculation, and may have zero basis in truth. I’m just saying that IF Chad was involved, I think it was because Trayvon encouraged him. I still say Chad has some moral culpability in what he’s done/said and not done/said, but I wouldn’t go as far as to say he should be criminally charged.

            • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

              trayvon is trying to join the local gang known as the goons. they have an initiation rite trayvon must pass (say playing the knockout game with the neighborhod watch guy).
              .
              all they gotta do is get it on video to provde it happened (deedee could have been amnother accomplice if she encouraged them-she might feel guiklt if she had encouraged them-if she had diswcouraged them, why would she feel guilty except if she could have called the parents, not that they would have helped-trayvon was a latch key kid from the age of five i bet

              • ftsk420 says:

                Wasn’t that local gang local to Sanford why would he want to join them. If that is an initiation into a gang it’s a weak one.

      • jello333 says:

        I think that’s the ONLY chance Crump has. I really couldn’t see a way out for him, until you just said that. But now that I think about it, yeah… Crump may be planning to say, “All the false info I put out there wasn’t known by me to be false. I got it all from Tracy, and I assumed it to be true. Even with Dee Dee, it was Tracy who prepared her for the deposition.” Sure this is all ROFL territory, but I’d put nothing past Benny.

        And one thing that Rene is still doing in her stories, even though in other regards she’s been good recently: She is STILL doing the “Trayvon” with “Zimmerman” stuff, rather than being consistent with both first or both last names. Or maybe it’s Weiner doing that. Either way, they really should stop with that.

        • nettles18 says:

          I saw Frances Robles respond to this several months ago. She said it was a policy of her paper, the Miami Herald, to refer to minors by their first names and adults by their last names. Perhaps the Sentinel has a similair policy?

      • nettles18 says:

        “At a March 8 news conference in Orlando, Tracy Martin told reporters he would not help police download information from the phone.” Damn, how did I miss that one.

        I wonder if the reporters wrote it in their notes or caught it on video but never made it public. I missed it too and hear several others did as well.

        • ytz4mee says:

          It was remarked upon here and at other sites following the case. It spoke volumes about the intent of the Martin family from the beginning, as if trademarking, hiring a publicist and involving the race-baiting CBC didn’t make the agenda obvious. You should listen to the NEN call Tracey makes to report Traydemark missing. They are lying throughout that call, too. I sincerely hope Tracey is on the GZ depo list. There’s a lot of questions he needs to answer.

          • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

            he sounds like he is flirting with the person he is reportng his son missing to (HOW are YOU DOING?)…..his son is missing, but he is “FINE, Fine, Fine”

    • doodahdaze says:

      They will do anything the prosecutor asks for. The police asked for the PIN. So WTF? They will do what the judge tells them to. Or go to jail. What a buncha crooks they are.

    • smoothcriminal says:

      “A technician also could pull the chip out of the phone and analyze it, considered by some to be an extreme step because it would destroy the phone.”
      who cares? the owner is dead, he doesnt need the phone. I say do it.

      • jello333 says:

        I agree, except I don’t think that’s what they’re worried about. I think they’re worried that after they take the chip out, they STILL might not be able to get data off it. And at that point they may wish it was still in the phone so they could give THAT method a few more tries. (Just guessing here…)

    • jello333 says:

      “Tracy Martin told reporters he would not help police download information from the phone.”

      Even if they threw out every other piece of evidence in this case, that right there, that attitude of Tracy, tells you everything you need to know. The man KNOWS the whole case against George is a LIE, and that Trayvon was always the one at fault in the altercation and shooting. There is NO other reason he would refuse to help get info off that phone… NONE.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Yes. They have lied from the beginning. If there was evidence on the phone that supported their made-up version of events, you bet they would ensure that it was in the hands of the prosecution. Instead, they lawyered up and refused to cooperate. Note, Trashcan Dad has never said he “couldn’t” help with the PIN, he said he WOULDN’T.
        Big difference. Especially since they are all concerned about “justice” and all.

  3. diwataman says:

    Speaking of Crump, he sure does get around doesn’t he? What happened to the case in California? Now he’s in Arkansas?

    http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/234867/2/ASP-Investigation-continues-on-21-year-old39s-death

    • diwataman says:

      Arkansas state police are investigating the shooting death of a Little Rock man who was fatally shot during a lunch at his boss’ home.

      Police responded to the home of Chris Reynolds on Friday, November 9th, after Reynolds allegedly called police to report he’d shot 21-year-old Ernest Hoskins Jr.

      Hoskins and three other employees of Raynell Industries, a green technology firm, were attending a lunch at Reynolds’ home near Ward, Arkansas. According to Ben Crump, a lawyer for Hoskins’ mother and his widow, the family was told that at some point during the lunch, Reynolds allegedly produced a 44 Magnum Desert Eagle pistol, pointed it at Hoskins, and pulled the trigger, fatally wounding his young employ in the jaw.

      “For whatever reason, he pointed the gun at the only African-American guy at the table,” Crump told theGrio, adding that two weeks later, Reynolds has still not been arrested.

      Read more: http://thegrio.com/2012/11/23/arkansas-man-shot-to-death-in-mysterious-incident-at-boss-home/

      • jello333 says:

        Aaaannnnndddd… once again, it’s only blacks who Crump cares about. This could be a case of cold-blooded murder, and the guy who fired the shot should be locked up for life. That could be. But just the fact that Crump jumps in here and throws his race card around?…. that makes it real hard to sympathize. Hey Benny, we’ve studied up on all the cases you’ve handled. We’ve heard all your comments re. race and racism. We’ve seen the pictures of all your friends and associates. We’ve seen the “diversity” there. And you know what? We’ve all come to a single, simple conclusion:

        You, Ben Crump, are a racist.

        • diwataman says:

          It’s a real shame too because this case gets more bizarre them more I look into it. I’m sure the family would like the know the real reason why he was killed but instead they get Crump to tell them it was about race. I’m willing to bet the guy will get charged and it wont be because of any effort put forth by Crump.

          • jello333 says:

            We all know there’s still racism out there. Of course it can come from all directions, but right now I’m just talking about what most people used to think of when they heard the word: Whites mistreating blacks. But after so many years of scumbags like Sharpton and Crump running around screaming RAYYYCISSSS!! at every opportunity, it’s now become the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Whenever I hear about a case that is declared to be white-on-black racism, I now take it with a HUGE grain of salt.

          • ftsk420 says:

            I think there is more to it then just shooting the only black guy there.

          • arkansasmimi says:

            Just saw this on a Justice for Ernest Hoskins FB which was Founded Nov 16 2012..NOTICE THE DATE: NOV 18 this was posted: SO that means that was last Sunday THAT THEY KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN ARREST, PER PROS.

            Justice for Ernest Hoskins Jr
            November 18.
            *JOSH WRIGHT HAS JUST INFORMED THE PAGE THAT “Im proud 2 say after taking to prosecutor and the Fox 16 news charges have been bought up aganist Chris Reynolds and will be arrested 2ma morning or later today” *
            https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForErnestHoskinsJr

        • menostupid says:

          +1000000000 jello!

    • Ricky Jimenez says:

      Arkansas seems to be different from Florida. A prosecutor complaining that the state police won’t return his calls asking for information sounds different from the Martin/Zimmerman case. Which is good by the way. I believe in the European model where there is a wall between the police and prosecutors and a judge is put in charge of the investigation. When you get somebody like Bernie de la Rionda actually conducting the “search for truth”, you can see defects in the administration of justice in the US.

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Ricky – This starts with Crump’s classic LIE:

        “In any jurisdiction in the world, even in Arkansas, this should have resulted in arrest,” Crump said.

        In the case of George – he was ARRESTED. Put in handcuffs, and questioned. Crump does NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORD “ARREST”.

        Further, if Crump means “Charged” – then that is different. You need PROBABLE CAUSE, and without that YOU CAN NOT HOLD THE PERSON.

        How this case will turn out – depends NOT on Crump, but in finding Probable Cause.

        But I bet Crump will attempt to inspire a “Thug Riot” to get his way.

        • diwataman says:

          He’s already trying to inspire the masses by injecting race into the case;

          Against the shooter;
          “For whatever reason, he pointed the gun at the only African-American guy at the table,”

          Against the police;
          “In any jurisdiction in the world, even in Arkansas, this should have resulted in arrest,”

          Just like he did in the Zimmerman case. He’s trying to replicate his success in the Zimmerman case. I guess it didn’t work out in California so now he’s in Arkansas.

          It’s weird though, I can’t find any information on “Raynell Industries”. Also, there seems to be very little details on the case, which Crump loves so can say what he wants and no one is there to challenge it, just like with the Zimmerman case. And of course the stupid police are ding the same thing Sanford did. How is Crump getting the details of the case when supposedly the family isn’t getting the info? It’s all too familiar. Crump probably got a bunch of info on the case being the families lawyer and is now spinning it.

        • arkansasmimi says:

          Thug Riot Preview ALERT: (side note from MIMI, from the looks of this page for Ernest, looks an awful lot like TM page. IF I were a betting person, I WOULD BET CHUMP office set it up as well as TM’s JMHO)
          https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForErnestHoskinsJr
          Benjamin Crump-Esq
          MEDIA ALERT: The family of Ernest Hoskins and I will speak to the media and supporters on Monday 11/26, at 12 Noon during a prayer vigil that will take place on the steps of the Arkansas State Capitol. At that time we will have just concluded a meeting with the State’s Coroner’s office and we hope to have official results. The news of today’s arrest in the Hoskins investigation has been extremely overwhelming for his widow; we are asking the media to respect her privacy at this time.

      • jello333 says:

        Oh absolutely. One of the main flaws in the American system is that cops and prosecutors almost always work hand-in-hand. That is just WRONG.

  4. Mikado Cat says:

    Just like Allred, Crump wants his name in the paper so the calls keep coming in on new cases, but Crump’s pattern is getting kind of obvious.

  5. diwataman says:

    Aw geez, now let’s throw some real conspiracy in here. Reynell Industries, if you look at the Cache of the now closed down website “www.gogreenafv.com” you will find they were selling, or wanting to get the money up to sell, well, here’s a video they had linked to on their website;

    From their FAQ;
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EtjC2iAsJNwJ:gogreenafv.com/faq.html&hl=en&client=firefox-a&tbo=d&gl=us&strip=1

  6. diwataman says:

    I don’t know if my last link worked right so I’ll just try this;

    Aw geez, now let’s throw some real conspiracy in here. Reynell Industries, if you look at the Cache of the now closed down website “www.gogreenafv.com” you will find they were selling, or wanting to get the money up to sell, well, here’s a video they had linked to on their website;

    From their FAQ;
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5PeNqkuW1FMJ:gogreenafv.com/how_it_works.html+%22Reynell+Industries%22&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

  7. Mike says:

    Sundancecracker,

    I read your response that was addressed to me on yesterday’s blog. Frankly it brought tears to my eyes. That was so cruel of you to speak about Trayvon’s parents as you did. I realize you are supporting Zimmerman, but to trash the parents of a dead child is so cruel. If you could find it in your heart, please leave these poor grieving people alone.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    An Intentional Provocateur - one who provokes: demagogue, exciter, fomenter, incendiary, inciter, instigator, agitator, rabble-rouser

    • Popeyes spinach brand says:

      Those “grieving” parents are “grievous” – not “grieving”. Not once did they assume responsibility for allowing Trayvon to wander around in a strange town alone. The ones who should have left the parents alone were the money hungry sharks Crump and Jackson who created a lie to wrongly crucify Zimmerman. Your use of emotion is a tactic by corrupt leftist con jobs. Everyone lost in the event and the parents SHOULD TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR LEAVING THAT SO CALLED CHILD ALONE IN A STRANGE TOWN. This serves as a lesson for parents like Trayvon’s, and to let that go is to let the parent’s go unpunished. They suffered because of their OWN negligence. The only source of comfort is God, not money and not going after another family for their own faults. You are a typical leftist who takes no responsibility for your own actions and only BLAMES OTHERS. Had those money hungry parents left George Zimmerman alone understanding that it was Trayvon who was left alone and received no guidance from them to not attack people for imagined slights, maybe they would deserve the sympathy you vainly demand.

    • Knuckledraggingwino says:

      Tracy Martin and Sabrina Fulton are sewerage slime. If they had really loved their child, they would have patented him while he was still alive. Unfortunately; both we too busy being promiscuous to honor their parental responsibilities.

      The both need good clubbing.

    • kathyca says:

      Oh please, spare me the faux emotion. Who’s bothering Tracy and Sybrina? Do you think they read HERE? That’s a real knee slapper. And, “frankly,” no one’s bothering you either. If you don’t like to hear what’s thought about them by some here, don’t read it. Your problem is solved. I don’t know who you are, but it’s clear that you care a whole lot more about their grief then they do. Get over yourself.

    • ftsk420 says:

      LMFAO! are you serious right now. Poor grieving parents? none of it’s cruel it’s needed. These people walk around like gods gift to parenting. They lie all the time and have put peoples lives in jeopardy all for a pay day. Feel bad for them all you want but we won’t we see them for what they really are.

    • jello333 says:

      I’ve said several times that I have some sympathy for Trayvon. But no, not for Tracy and Sybrina. And you know why? Because if you take motive, intent, and state of mind into account, what they have done to George and his family is much worse than what George did to Trayvon. Before you freak out, please read that again… I said “if you take motive, intent, and state of mind into account”.

      In other words, George shot Trayvon ONLY because he feared for his own life. He did everything in his power to escape, to no avail. It finally came down to an “it’s either me or him” instinctive decision. There was NO malice in George’s heart when he fired the shot… and since then, he has suffered and beaten himself up over what he had to do that night… what he HAD to do, and yet he still feels terrible about it.

      On the other hand, consider what Tracy and Sybrina (with the help of their buddies) have done to George and his family. They KNOW George is innocent, and yet they have done everything in their power to try to make sure he is locked up for decades. And they’ve gone further. They’ve said and done things that literally put George’s life, and the lives of his family, in danger. They have done this INTENTIONALLY. They, Tracy and Sybrina, have gone out of their way to try to DESTROY George, both figuratively and maybe even literally. And unlike George, they HAVE had malice in their hearts. So from a purely moral standpoint, what Tracy, Sybrina, and their associates have done is FAR worse than anything George did.

      (If any members of JQ or the Dog Pound read this and wanna quote me, please have the decency to post the WHOLE comment, rather than just take a sentence or two out of context… OK?)

      • yankeeintx says:

        Actually I think he is getting responses for “doth” today.

        • jello333 says:

          Heh, whatever. ;) It’s all cool. I’m totally ok with any of them quoting us. The only thing I hope is that they keep our quotes IN CONTEXT. But I realize that even expecting THAT common courtesy may be too much to ask.

          • yankeeintx says:

            Today they are threatening to expose all of us that post here. Oh! No!, they are going to find out that I am a Yankee that lives in Tx!! (Of course they are not going to post anything in context, unless they are quoting the cockatoo!).

            • ftsk420 says:

              They been threatening to do that for a few months now. If they do I’m sure they will post my criminal record.

              • Sha says:

                ftsk420: You are way to blunt to give a crap if they post that. Besides how would they have our Info anyway .

                • ftsk420 says:

                  I really don’t care what they post about me. If it’s in my past I won’t hide from it. There is a few ways they can get info like that but the main one would be if any mod or Sundance gave it up which I know they would never do.

                  • Sha says:

                    ftsk420: I don’t have a record, but I was a bad little thing and probably should have had one. We all have a past……. thank god we survive it lol !

                  • ftsk420 says:

                    well I remember a few months ago when they posted SDC info and now it’s all over the internet. They even went as far as to call either his current employer or one from the past. These people like bigboi have nothing better to do other then to destroy or try to destroy someone’s life. I was no angel growing up and everyone here knows it. I’m an open book but I know for a fact if one of them were to get my name they would post my info thinking it would have some sort of affect on me which it won’t. My past made me what I am today.

                  • jello333 says:

                    Don’t these idiots understand that they can be sued? I mean, the law is complex, and it depends on lots of things incl. what’s already voluntarily been “put out there”, etc. But if they seriously think they can “out” someone who is trying hard to remain anonymous, they are dumber than I thought. Unlike a few years ago, there’s now case law that works solidly against them. And I’ve noticed they like to drag people’s family, employers, etc. into it. But whatever… let ‘em keep playing their games. When they lose everything they own, then they’ll be crying about how unfair life is. Poor, poor fools.

                  • ftsk420 says:

                    They don’t think before they act that’s for sure. Just look at all the retarded shit they have come up with since this all started. Stupidity and the internet can be a dangerous mix though. But I know SDC and the mods would never give any of our info out to any one. I trust this site like no other.

                  • jordan2222 says:

                    I did not know all of that about SDC. How did he handle it? I have made some mistakes by posting things I would never do today so I am asking in the event it happens to me. Whatever he did is what I would want to do because obviously, it worked. I mean he is not in Gitmo, right?

                  • ftsk420 says:

                    I don’t know how he handled it to me it appeared he just ignored it but I don’t know what he may have done behind the scenes. I only communicate with him on this site. He is gonna be more exposed then us because it’s his website. Any info they pulled on him really meant nothing but I heard they may have called his job. Ask him about it.

                  • jordan2222 says:

                    I only asked because it sounded like it was a public thing. If SD wants to share his experience, then he will do so without anyone asking. I doubt that he would do that since it would only open the door to further scrutiny.

                  • jordan2222 says:

                    We are the sum total of our entire life’s experiences here and previous ones too, if you believe in reincarnation, which I now do.

                    Even Southerners believe in reincarnation. It’s why they say, “Y’all, come back, you hear.”

                  • Sha says:

                    ftsk420: I had to respond here instead of below. Some people enjoy trying to hurt other’s they haven’t been raised right or taught that it will come back to them. I think Sundance is pretty tuff and can hold his own against the best of them , so I don’t worry about him. My life is so boring I doubt anyone would won’t to waste there time on me. LOL ! I haven’t known you that long but from what I know, you have a good heart and you have learned alot from life something’s I’m sure the hardway.

            • Knuckledraggingwino says:

              You mean they will post my real name and address?

              Will the New Black Panther Party put out a bounty for my abduction or assassination?

              Will I have thousands of Obama’s bastard sons marching up Thermopyle pass to attack me?

              Do you think I. Can kill all ofthem before my trigger finger gets tired or my shoulder gets soar?

              ICANN guarantee you that I will not run out of ammo.

        • Sharon says:

          Regardless of what their immediate intentions are, they obviously thrive on the attention they get by poking at y’all. Their whole thing is fairly childish, based on deception and someone else’s misfortune from the git-go. They’re just playground bullies who want their way…and when this case disappears, they will find somewhere else to vent in order to get attention.

          Anything you give them by way of response, recognition or acknowledgment is pearls before swine. Their “input” never adds to the conversation. It detracts from the good work that many of you are doing, and I believe that’s their only intention. Their impact isn’t much different than that of trolls on some days. Don’t feed them.

          • jello333 says:

            Hmm…. yeah, I’m sure you’re right. Someone else here (Jordan?) brought that up recently, too. My last comment really had nothing to do with “them”, until the very end. I just added the “quote us in context” part in order to try to shame them into doing the right thing for once. But you’re right… the chances of that are remote, and it’s just better to ignore them altogether. So starting right now, I’ll do my best.

            • Sharon says:

              I didn’t intend to be poking at your comment, jello333–it was just a general thought as a result of seeing what those unthinkers do to the conversation. I’m amazed at the ability y’all have to connect the debates and clarify details… and don’t much like the time-wasting effect of their antics. :)

              • jello333 says:

                I think I’ll be able to just ignore them if they come around here trolling. I’ve been as guilty as anyone of feeding them, but I think I’ve got that out of my system now. ;) But that doesn’t mean I won’t still peek in at their idiocy from time to time… it’s almost entertaining. Like the way Serino has gone from a hero to a goat in their eyes. Ever since he lawyered up, they’ve been freaking. I think their problem is they know what that means — that Serino’s gonna be a key to the whole Scheme Team imploding — but they’re unwilling to admit it.

    • yankeeintx says:

      Are you here simply to get more comments to post over on the the “other” site? Did you like it when they gave you props? You are entitled to your own opinion, but last time I checked, I am still entitled to disagree with you. I don’t go to other sites and tell anyone else how to feel, think, or who to support because that would be antagonistic. If you don’t like our opinions, you are free not to read them. You can go hang out somewhere else where people share your opinion.

  8. LittleLaughter says:

    Mike; Trayvon Martin’s parents, by their own actions, do not want to be left alone. What you are emploring of people is that they have the same perception of them that you do. They chose to go on networks and continue a diatribe of fabrications. They chose to be active participants in a scheme to build a false narrative of racism. They chose to collect trashcans of money and questionable donations which they used to further jettison a fabricated story, purchase expensive clothing for themselves, and travel around the globe. Having sympathy for a grieving parent would come naturally for any thinking, feeling human being. However, being able to see through a fake veneer also comes naturally for any thinking, feeling human being. That is what you are seeing here- thinking individuals who have looked at the evidence, found the lies, and noted the lack of parenting, and the lack of emotion except when it serves a financial purpose. From all of this, we are able to discern that these parents are not looking to be “left alone.” Rather, they want the attention and the focus to continue to be upon them and their “story” so long as it benefits them. That, Mike, is what is cruel.

    • jello333 says:

      And you mentioning the trashcans of money also reminded me of something. A fact that we need to always keep in mind: A good number of people at those early rallies, especially in the churches, were old, poor people… many living on nothing but Social Security. Those kind-hearted people, who really thought they were doing something good, and had no reason to believe they were being lied to, handed over $10, $20, maybe more. That’s money that could have gone toward groceries, or medicine, or heating bill… but they handed it over to Tracy, Sybrina, and their ilk. And did we even ONCE hear Sybrina or the others say, “Please, if you can’t afford to give, please DON’T. We’re just glad to have you here.” ?? No, they were more than happy to take money from poor, gullible people. So, sorry… while I can feel some sympathy toward Alicia, since she doesn’t seem to be much involved in the grifting and exploitation, the same can NOT be said for Tracy and Sybrina.

      • ftsk420 says:

        None of them get any sympathy from me not Sybrina or Tracy Trayvon or Alicia. They had no problem with the NBPP putting a bounty on a mans head. They had no problem promoting violence. They are all money hungry scrubs who should be erased from society.

        • jello333 says:

          I don’t know enough about Alicia to say for sure. But if you know more about what she’s done, I’ll take your word for it. I know very little about her other than the Dr Phil thing, and the fact that the rest of the Scheme Team seems to have locked her in a basement for several months out of fear of what she might say.

          • ftsk420 says:

            That’s why she gets no sympathy from me. If anyone knows what TM was like it’s her but she allows Crump and the rest to shut her up. I saw right through her act on the DR Phil show especially the 911 calls. She is hiding something and is no better then the rest of them.

            • jello333 says:

              Ok, I see your point now. I was thinking about things she has DONE, while you’re thinking more about what she has NOT done, NOT said. More like “crimes of omission”. So yeah, looking at it that way, I’d probably agree with you.

          • justfactsplz says:

            According to the Ostermans Dr. Phil edited out most of Alicia’s interview also. She had gone in depth about her raising Trayvon, how she was upset finding out from the media about his death, and how she felt so left out. The Ostermans felt that Alicia’s tears were genuine.

            • ftsk420 says:

              I don’t believe her one bit. My gut tells me that was all an act. Only part of it I believed was when she was listening to the 911 tape and Osterman explained why he believed it was George she seemed to believe him.

      • jello333 says:

        And to add one more thing that people often forget: If the figures we hear are correct, then between them Tracy and Sybrina made well over $100K, maybe as much as $150K per year. From where I’m from, that’s doing very, very well. And yet they went around begging people living on $700/month for donations?! Pretty sickening.

        • ftsk420 says:

          Tracy is a truck driver correct? I don’t know if he in union or not but my father was a union truck driver for many years and he made over $40 an hr. My brother drives a truck now and makes about the same. I have no clue what Sybrina made doing what she does but you are right they made good money.

          • kathyca says:

            I just read her salary in one of the links someone posted earlier this week in the context of her taking other people’s donated vacation time. Her salary, not including the donated time was in the $60k range, iirc.

          • jello333 says:

            I’ve read several places that Sybrina was making something like $70K/year. And so if Tracy is making as much as you suggested, then he might have been making even more than her. So yeah, $150K between them is entirely possible. Really?! What kind of human being do you have to be to make that kind of money, and STILL go out and beg poor people to hand over part of their grocery money?

      • LittleLaughter says:

        Exactly so, Jello. I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for several parents who have lost their sons or daughters. Those that are not trying to make money off of their dead child, but who spend their days grieving in private. For them, there are no platforms, no Sunday Morning Talk Shows, or Foundations from which to draw “salaries” from donations. For them, there are no lawyers prancing about on TV and preaching justice to a crowd filled with righteous indignation. It is just them, and their pain. Fulton and Martin shucked their grief aside to begin a campaign which they believed would benefit them monitarily. For that, I have no sympathy.
        My youngest son is dead. I grieve everyday. We did not spew hatred over his death. We did not look to gain money from the negligence of others. We just grieve.

      • Popeyes spinach brand says:

        About the grifting of money from the less fortunate for a trumped up cause – this is reprehensible.

    • dmoseylou says:

      ITA 100%. Well Stated!

  9. David says:

    Hello all! I am the author of the White House petition to launch a Federal Investigation into the violation of George Zimmerman’s civil rights. I am pleased to say that we are just 20 signatures away from our next status goal of being “searchable” on the we the people website. This means that when people from around the world view the White House website this petiton will be listed. Once we reach the goal of searchable status we will begin efforts to make the petition a national news story. Please help spread the word to get us our last 20 signatures. The Trayvon supporters are actively trying to stop the petition and they spread the word among themselves to flag the petition as “inapproriate” in an effort to prevent us from reaching our goal. let’s all do our part!

  10. david says:

    Fascinating how Crump’s Trayvon phone records which he was waving around in the media go from 2/26 to 3/2 at about 7pm in question and back to 2/26. Cut and paste much Crump?

  11. Hugh Stone says:

    I’m gonna hurl.

    • kathyca says:

      One of the video thumbnails that comes up after that vid finishes playing is a CircleTen media video. I watched it and it’s a paid for publicity video parading like an actual live news account. I’ll try to find the link. The video is totally awkward, Crump talking about Paris and London watching the Trayvon case with his hand on the small of the “reporter’s” back and he spends the last several seconds trying to dig his cell out of his jacket pocket while also trying to look like he’s paying attention to the PR ho’ groupie doing the “interview.” That guy makes me wanna puke — and that’s the understatement of the century.

        • James F says:

          Wow. That is pathetic! Sounds pretty dead for a rally. It is must have been at this April fool’s day flop of a rally. Chump is wearing the same outfit in this video footage.

          Crowds Smaller Than Predicted At Bayfront Trayvon Rally

          MIAMI (CBSMiami) – Thousands of people filled the amphitheater at Miami’s Bayfront Park Sunday afternoon to demand justice in the death of Trayvon Martin. The attendance fell far short of the 75 thousand predicted by US Rep. Frederica Wilson, organizer of the event, but they missed a spirited rally held under a blazing sun.

          The Reverend Al Sharpton spoke to a crowd of more than 3,000 people, chanting “No Justice, no peace.”

          http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/04/01/massive-trayvon-martin-rally-set-for-sunday-in-bayfront-park-2/

          • dmoseylou says:

            “She ($F) told D’Oench that it was important for her and her husband (t-dad) to attend the rally to show their support for all of those who were there.
            Husband…huh…

  12. akathesob says:

    Crump. Haaa ha hah aaa hah aa haaaa! No really haa h haaah ahaaa.

  13. dawndoe says:

    So Crump admits that it really IS all about the money.

  14. opweifjmpwe says:

    Why speculate on a video that may or may not have ever been recorded, that may or may not exist, and if it does (or did) exist, will likely never be seen?

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