11-19 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

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  1. lovemygirl says:

    Christmas is Coming
    (video was disabled…..admin)
    Clarification: the video itself, when I clicked on the delta to play, revealed an error message saying that the video was disabled and could only be viewed on Youtube.

    • lovemygirl says:

      Umm, I only listened to a bit, was something wrong with it? It sounded good.

      • Preston says:

        My vid;s got deleted too. not sure why?
        ——————————————-
        The videos deleted were titled “Michael Savage Takes on a Black Muslim Supremacist” and “The Muppet Show.” Neither of them seemed to be related to the topic of this thread. Off topic videos will always be removed when we have time to do it to protect thread download time requirements for those who don’t have access to high speed systems.

        General interest videos may be posted in the Open Thread of the day. Not all videos are suitable for open thread posting.

        Multiple video postings by a single commenter will usually not be left up due to system speed restraints and visual interference within the flow of conversation in the thread. (Example of an exception: the day(s) of the GZ hearings, it sometimes takes 3-4 videos to present the entire event) Good conversation that includes a high number of readers and commenters is our goal on all threads–posting multiple videos without comment often is a detriment to that goal.

        While this information is posted under Preston’s query, these guidelines are applied to all videos.

        –Admin.

    • lovemygirl says:

      Oh, is it sticking to the topic? Sorry about that. I thought it was a good song after 2 minutes and posted it was all. If it wasn’t the “good” inspirational song I thought it was I apologize for not watching the entire thing before posting it. No problem.
      ————————
      It have been a perfectly lovely inspirational song. Perhaps it was removed in order to keep the flow of the thread…sometimes commenters who care deeply about George and his family have posted serial videos of inspirational songs, which really makes it hard for some commenters to even access the thread, so admins have been more careful about posting “any and all good inspirational songs” on the thread.

      Maybe we need to have a thread one day that is specifically intended just for dropping in inspirational songs, spiritual encouragements and general hugs all around for George and his family. :) Seriously!

      Our apologies to all for any frustrations you may experience when our edits don’t make sense to you.

      –Admin

    • rumpole2 says:

      That happens with some YouTubes.(You can not tell until it’s posted).. its a setting that the uploader decides on. Some people do that so that people watch at YT and they get a “hit” for someone watching the vid. You don’t get a hit when people watch an embedded YT.
      I know there is more to the problems on this occasion.. but just clarifying that point.

  2. Preston says:

    did the 2 vid’s posted get removed?

  3. Preston says:

    I must be missing something ?

    • lovemygirl says:

      The admins work hard for no pay. I’m just guessing the video’s were a bit off topic. I reposted mine in the open thread after watching the entire video. Give us a hint what we did wrong Admin; We certainly don’t want to anger you or make your life difficult.

      • Preston says:

        This is the Open thread. The one I posted had Michael Savage ripping this guy that was a racist and Michael Savage was standing up for George. That’s what an open thread is about. I have posted Video’s before so that’s why i ask why they were gone. There are Music Videos posted all the time so the Muppet’s Video was just meant to be cute. Sorry if it ruffled any feathers.

    • No Idea, but maybe concerns about copyright?

  4. diwataman says:

    Okay, my frustration with O’Mara continues. Last week he gets us all excited in that he’ll be posting “all” “public” records in regards to the Zimmerman case. What’s the first thing out of the gate five days later? “Our first opportunity to follow through on this policy has met with a challenge.” What they go on to talk about is the “accidental” release of witness names from the state in their 9th supplemental. What, O’Mara was confused what to do at that point? To redact or not to redact? What challenge can there possibly be with that or the release of any other information?

    But the main point of frustration, and what I pondered about last week, is what O’mara meant by “all public documents”. After reading his post today it seems that means documents from that day, Nov 13, forward. If he wanted to post documents from the past, such as the toxicology report, why not just do it? There are plenty of other things we know was part of the State’s discovery, from long ago, that haven’t been released, so where is it? There are things that we don’t know if they were part of the State’s discovery but you would think would be such as the ping logs, where are those? All these examples and many more should pose no challenge to post, so, where are they?

    And don’t excited about depositions, from last week; “Depositions are not open to the public, and the transcripts of depositions are not necessarily considered discovery, and therefore may not necessarily become part of public record.”

    So if he’s not going to retroactively post info or depositions what’s really left?

    http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents/62-state-s-9th-supplemental-discovery

    • hooson1st says:

      diwataman:

      What I get from the 18 Nov release is that MOM is being extra careful w/regard to the documents contained inadvertently unredacted names and addresses.

      As for prior discloseable(?) public records such as the ping charts, I don’t know.

      • rumpole2 says:

        I’m not necessarily expecting MOM to release the files … but it is FRUSTRATING that we can only GUESS if these files are around at all.
        Does BDLR have them but not yet released them as discovery?
        Does MOM have them.. but not released publicly?
        JUST LET THE PUBLIC KNOW… what is there, somewhere. Then we can scream about what the State still needs to get moving on.

        • hooson1st says:

          rumpole2:

          Bear in mind that MOM’s primary attention is focused on the court.

          He just scored big points with the court on the issue of BDLR alter-egos working the public against GZ. He is not going to put the GZ defense in a position where the same claim can be made against GZ.

          • rumpole2 says:

            OK

            But like I say… he could release a list of what he does have. Not details, not content at all.
            I just can’t see any valid reason to not list what he has.
            Perhaps also a PUBLIC list of what he does not have would help give BDLR the hurry up.
            Ping Logs
            Full Tox Report on TM
            The Crump List Of pll hearing DeeDee call
            Are just 3
            We hope MOM has these. If not… he (and we) should be screaming about it by this stage
            And what else is there. We simply can only guess.

            • diwataman says:

              What’s worse of all is that there has been stuff filed with the court already, a lot of stuff, that we have not seen. Subpoenas is one example, I can’t recall seeing a single one in the discovery but they are there. The media announced long ago that O’Mara was supposed to receive 5,000 pages, how much have wee seen? maybe not even 1,000?

              What about the document that shows me that evidence tag DMS-7 actually belongs to Tracy Martin? Is that like some national secret?

              We need to put together a list.

              • rumpole2 says:

                TalkLeft have a list of “missing” discovery (I recall, have not looked lately)
                Anything we do is still limited to GUESSES to some extent.. we need the factual list.. then I am sure we can come up with stuff that SHOULD be available and ask why it isn’t.

        • jello333 says:

          A couple months ago, I left a comment on the gzlegalcase site, and they actually posted it. As if that didn’t surprise me enough, they even answered part of my question. Here’s what I asked:

          “I understand why some discovery (like the school records) won’t be made public. But I’m wondering will you at least announce that YOU have received such info when you get it? Not the contents, of course, just the fact that you have it? And if you can answer this: Are technical reports re. the cell phone(s) expected to be part of the info you’re seeking?”

          And this was their response:

          “Any records identified and forwarded by discovery methods will be acknowledged, although certain records, such as medical records or certain school records will be maintained as confidential. At some point, if they are determined to be relevant to an issue in controversy, a court may decide whether those records are kept confidential or are released.”

          So sounds like they WILL let us know about anything they get, as long it involves “discovery” in some way. While be might not learn about the specific details, we at least will know of their existence.

          http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/49-zimmerman-defense-begins-discovery-process

    • nameofthepen says:

      Diwataman speakum big truth here, Kemosabe.

  5. diwataman says:

    Does anyone else find it odd that Shellie’s case keeps getting continued? The next Docket Sounding is on Dec 12, six months after information was filed.

    http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012CF001792A

    • John VI says:

      If they charged her to put pressure on george ( which seems likely given the nature of the evidence against her and the carefully edited transcript used in the affidavit ) then they cant well have it come to court where it risks being dismissed. Especially since they havent gotten very far with thier plan to get george to plead out. Thats looking more and more like thier only bargaining chip.

      • The State started out with a virtually non-existent Affidavit of Probable Cause and it went downhill for them from there. Exculpatory evidence being released, two failed gag attempts and at least several releases of protected information (GZ school records, pic of TM body and witness names). They had people looking at their indictment of SZ for perjury as an indication GZ was a liar and not credible. If that fails, and it will, they will look completely corrupt and incompetent.

    • jello333 says:

      Nah, it’s done all the time. It’s not at all unusual to see NOTHING accomplished in a case, for a year or more. You can look up the details of all the court proceedings for any given case, and chances are all you’ll see is something like: “Mr. Jones appears for the State. Defendant Smith appears personally and with counsel. Request for continuance. Request allowed. Next hearing Dec. 15th.” Where the date is usually one or two months away. This is often done over, and over, and over…. as long as neither the defense or the state is in any hurry, the judge is usually, “Whatever…”

  6. Somehow reality seems to become reversed for Trayvon supporters. They claim it’s the defense that’s trying to sway public opinion? Where have they been the past 8 months or so? And who is this Debbie Hines person?

    http://blogs.lawyers.com/2012/11/zimmermans-lawyer-internet-sway-opinion/

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Rise – The word I prefer is, “Chutzpah”. It means this – let us say I go attack an innocent person – by smashing my fist into his face. Let us presume I did not kill the person, and I get away. Later, I am caught. I then insist that this person attacked my, by running his face into my fist – and HURTING MY FIST. I think sue the person for medical damage to my fist for $10,000. That is how the “Travon supporters” think.

    • diwataman says:

      Michele Bowman seems pretty disconnected from the case in a lot of ways. She hasn’t written very much on it though she says this;

      Her first article appears to have been posted July 16, 2012, pretty late in the game;
      http://blogs.lawyers.com/2012/07/new-fbi-evidence-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/

      Notice in that article she properly sites this lawyer “To assert that Judge Lester should be removed as a judge because he has determined that Zimmerman is not a credible witness is ludicrous,” lawyer/trial watcher Malia Litman wrote on her blog.

      But when she gets to criminal defense attorney Jeralyn Merritt all of a sudden proper citing goes out the window and she’s a “Zimmerman supporter”
      “But Zimmerman supporters think the motion has a chance and think Judge Lester should withdraw.”

      • MJW says:

        “To assert that Judge Lester should be removed as a judge because he has determined that Zimmerman is not a credible witness is ludicrous,” lawyer/trial watcher Malia Litman wrote on her blog.

        Maybe she should have set the 5th DCA straight.

    • James F says:

      What a coincidence. Hines herself released a very similar article yesterday as well. She obviously has close ties to the scheme team propaganda machine.

      “The Trayvon Martin case is not expected to go to trial until June, 2013. The trial could be finished online before it starts in the courtroom if the defense has its way. Criminal defense attorney, Mark O’Mara has been vigorously defending his client in the media, particularly online through social media. The defense has put court pleadings in the web site dedicated for the defendant’s case, commented on the evidence and witnesses just in case any would be jurors need to read them. The Zimmerman defense has a Twitter account, web site and had a Facebook account dedicated to the case.”

      http://www.legalspeaks.com/2012/11/trayvon-martin-case-goes-to-trial-online/#.UKm3u2L4Bm8.twitter

      • jello333 says:

        These people just HATE it when the truth finally starts to come out, don’t they?

      • doodahdaze says:

        More depraved rantings of a Black Racist legal mind. Can not reach the bar of objectivity. To do so would require weighing actual evidence and interfere with the pre-existing narrative. Your Honor. I move to suppress all evidence that is exculpatory to the defendant. On the grounds that the deceased is black. (US v. Old White Men, § 432) Al Sharpton presiding judge.

  7. diwataman says:

    Hmmm, in the Satanial Stutzman reported

    “Normally, he[Bernie] prepares two sets of summary sheets, one for defense attorneys that includes witness names and other protected information, and a second for the public that goes into the courthouse file. It typically identifies witnesses by number — for example, witness 17.

    But on Nov. 8 de la Rionda filed the summary sheet that included witness names in the courthouse file, where anyone is free to look at it.”
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-11-15/news/os-george-zimmerman-witness-names-20121115_1_witness-names-witness-list-george-zimmerman

    Okay, so it seems when Bernie prepares these two sets of documents, he gives O’Mara the one with the names and addresses on it and the clerk at the courthouse gets the one with witness numbers instead. However, O’Mara stated this “Therefore, we have blocked out the names of witnesses that should have been redacted…” The question is then, if the courthouse ended up with O’Mara’s copy then O’Mara should have gotten the redacted version that the courthouse was supposed to get; if this is the case why would O’Mara need to redact anything?

    Also, how does Stutzman know this is the procedure for these thing? I don’t recall anyone saying anything about this in the past and she says “A spokesman for de la Rionda’s office did not return an email seeking comment.” So did she just make this up?

    • John VI says:

      The gzlegal site said that the states office had released the full list to the public, with names and contact info for the witnesses exposed. He personally redacted the info that the states attorney was supposed to according to previous instructions from the judge, even though it is now publicly available via the courts, it would not be available from the gz website.

      I think Omara is covering his own ass with regard to this as the question of his media presence website is under review at the moment. Plus i wonder if this was a ploy to get omara to “accidently” release that info on his site and get it shut down by the persecution.

      • John Galt says:

        “Plus i wonder if this was a ploy”

        Perhaps a clever ploy by BDLR to get himself sanctioned for violating a court order.

    • kathyca says:

      “if the courthouse ended up with O’Mara’s copy then O’Mara should have gotten the redacted version that the courthouse was supposed to get; if this is the case why would O’Mara need to redact anything?”

      It’s possible that O’Mara didn’t receive the copy intended for the Court, but that BDLR didn’t redact either copy. But even if O’Mara received the redacted copy intended for the Court, I assume he is only posting what has actually been filed with the Court — the “public” records he says he will post. In that case, although it’s hypertechnical, he wouldn’t post the redacted copy he received since it was not filed and is not a public record. Make sense?

      I don’t know how Stutzman knows the process, but I don’t doubt that she was told about it directly by someone in the prosecutor’s office or O’mara’s office.

      • diwataman says:

        So either Bernie didn’t redact anything, which seems highly unusual and unlikely or O’Mara got the courts copy. Someone ask O’Mara if he received the courts redacted copy, but I guess that requires an actual reporter which I don’t think exists anymore so I guess we’ll never know.

        • nameofthepen says:

          diwataman says: So either Bernie didn’t redact anything, which seems highly unusual and unlikely or O’Mara got the courts [redacted] copy.

          I’ve been scratching my head over this. I’ve read, and re-read, Dman’s and Kathyca’s posts several times, as well as hopped over to the OS link on the story.

          I keep getting this little voice saying, “Dirty tricks”.

          In response to accusations of biased reporting, MOM announced he’d begin posting all filings. So, BDLR pulls this stunt. Now MOM is over a barrel, one way or the other:

          1. Either he’s a liar now, since he’s not following through on that promise,
          or
          2. Like Kathyca pointed out, if he does redact Bernie’s screwed-up public version, then publish it on the GZLegal site, then he’s knowingly publishing an altered, untruthful version of a legal document.

          Pretty “twisted sister” maneuver, if you ask me. Personally, I don’t believe it was “accidental”.

          At any rate, how many more “accidental leaks” is the prosecution going to be allowed on this case before sanctions and/or disciplinary measures are taken?

  8. maggiemoowho says:

    Found this on facebook.
    The photo doesn’t show up when I copy and paste. He is talking about TM. That buddy he is talking about would have to be a woman because SF is not married. (wouldn’t it?)

    Von Gretchen Mitchell
    March 18
    Man, now this hits home! I didn’t know that this young man was my buddy step-son!!! Like I said, I will be at the General Attoney & Senate office this wk! HELL NOW!!’ — with Keith White and 8 others.

    1321Share

  9. diwataman says:

    Have you all seen who O’Mara is following on the twitter?

    Frederick Leatherman ‏ @Masoninblue
    and
    BigBoi ‏ @BigBoithedog

    https://twitter.com/GZlegalCase/following

  10. Preston says:

    Stellap I’m not the new kid just fyi. I’ve been here since February. Many of the video’s I have posted have ended up on other blogs as talking points.

  11. Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

    Just saw this….a journalist actually admits black cops threatened serino.
    .
    And i cant paste with this stupid tablet

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      Serino hires baez.
      Check it out

        • doodahdaze says:

          Get ready for the fireworks.

          • arkansasmimi says:

            :) yeppers!!! Catching up and this is such great things to read!!! Finna git good~ Female Dogs gang is hopping mad. Foaming at the mouth :)

        • jello333 says:

          I’m reading BigBoi’s Tweeter stuff from today. It seems that she and her buddies just can NOT figure out what’s up with Serino. “This is really strange, what’s going on?” “Why would he hire a lawyer?!” “Especially THAT lawyer?!” “Waaahhhh!!!”

          I tried telling those people, from the first time I posted there, that this is no longer just about getting George off the hook. It’s now just as much about holding the conspirators accountable. And Serino (partly thanks the the threats he received from the other cops) wound up right in the middle of it. Thanks to Serino, Dee Dee, and others, this is about to all come crumbling down… Crumpling down. I told the JQ people to prepare for it, but they just laughed and accused me of spreading crazy rumors. Oh well, I’m not longer there to talk to them, to help them through the difficult days they have ahead of them. I haz a sad. ;)

          • froggielegs says:

            LOL Jello!

          • rumpole2 says:

            There are still a few good people at JQ… I got another report on Teetowel…
            potty mouthed like her Prune-Ma

            She has taken to referring to CTH as the “Shit-Hole” (Yeah right… typical JQ “class”) :D
            For the JQ rats hidden down in their closed sewer, as they look up, most of the circles of light that they see above them are toilets. :D
            (And if truth be known… there is some pleasure to be gained in crapping on them from on high)
            Those rats who crawl out of the sewer and scurry secretively in the sunlight, spy furtively and enviously on the real people at CTH.
            They return back down to the depths of their sewer to squeak and chatter about what the grown ups are doing and saying in the world above.
            Our pearls of wisdom are wasted though…. all is corrupted once they drag it back down into their “Member Rats Only” sewer.

          • John Galt says:

            “It’s now just as much about holding the conspirators accountable. And Serino (partly thanks the the threats he received from the other cops) wound up right in the middle of it.”

            Serino might not like the night shift and might be looking forward to a big pay day.

        • froggielegs says:

          “Days after the interviews were made public, the 15-year department veteran was transferred to patrol duty on the overnight shift.”

          Hmm No mention of him requesting this “transfer” as was reported when it happened.

          “He wants his own counsel – he’s intimidated,” said Baez spokesman Michael Wright. “It may not be a friendly deposition.”

          “An FBI report released this summer showed Serino told agents that he was pressured by African-American officers to file charges.”

          Hmm if he was pressured to file charges as he told the FBI, then why wouldn’t his deposition be friendly? Is he changing his story now?

          • kathyca says:

            It wouldn’t be friendly regardless of who takes the depo. The prosecution wants to refute the racial/political pressure and the defense wants to show that that was the cause of the affidavit and how wrong it was. Serino, if he’s honest, will testify both about the pressure to get George arrested and also that he knew there was no probable cause. So the prosecution’s po’d and the defense has his butt in the grinder. He probably also is either the leaker of the jailhouse vid copy, or knows who is.

            This much I know for sure, Serino isn’t lawyering up to because his testimony will help the prosecution. I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes the 5th on much or all.

            • myopiafree says:

              It is interesting that Patrolman Serino felt the need for a high-power lawyer to defend him. Does the State of Florida pay for the lawyer? After all, he committed no crime – and is under no threat. He could testify with no lawyer – they way that George Zimmerman did.

            • froggielegs says:

              I don’t think Serino enjoys being demoted to foot patrol. My guess is he hired Jose so that when everything is all said and done with George’s case, he will be suing Sanford Police. This isn’t Jose’s first dance with corrupt police and cops being demoted or forced to quit. Happened during the CA case too. I’ve said it a million times I’ll say it again, I would not have believed one word of Jose’s book had I not followed George’s case. The entire time I read it I said OMG same thing with George! People don’t like to have the 2 compared but in many ways the handling of the 2 cases by the media, LE, State etc are exactly alike. The only difference is, George is innocent and I believe CA had something to do with Caylee’s death,

              • LittleLaughter says:

                Respectfully, I disagree. Even Baez was surprised when the verdict was read, because he darn well knows CA was guilty. The stars all happened to align for her that day and *POOF*…12 of the dumbest, laziest ppl on the planet made up the jury. They didn’t even look at the evidence. Should GZ’s case even get that far, and I’m betting it won’t, he better hope not to have 12 more idiots like the ones from Penelous county. They won’t even look at the real evidence.

                • froggielegs says:

                  I’m not talking evidence they had or didn’t have or about whether I feel the jury did their job (which I do given what evidence they were presented. Remember the jury didn’t read every ounce of evidence the majority of the public read for years prior to trial.) I am talking about things that happened in both cases that are the same. Media saturating with lies, LE cover-ups where some left because they refused to lie about what they didn’t see with Roy Kronk to suit the Prosecutor, Prosecutor hiding evidence from the jury and court such as the 84 searches for Chloroform that never took place. The fact that the Prosecutor decided not to tell the court or the jury that the man who developed the software used to find these searches, contacted the Prosecutor during trial to tell them there was an error in the software and that it wasn’t 84 searches but rather 1 search. Why did they not bring that out in trial? Why did they continue with the 84 searches story?

                  “The finding of 84 visits was used repeatedly during the trial to suggest that Ms. Anthony had planned to murder her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, who was found dead in 2008. Ms. Anthony, who could have faced the death penalty, was acquitted of the killing on July 5.

                  According to Mr. Bradley, chief software developer of CacheBack, used by the police to verify the computer searches, the term “chloroform” was searched once through Google. The Google search then led to a Web site, sci-spot.com, that was visited only once, Mr. Bradley added. The Web site offered information on the use of chloroform in the 1800s.

                  The Orange County Sheriff’s Office had used the software to validate its finding that Ms. Anthony had searched for information about chloroform 84 times, a conclusion that Mr. Bradley says turned out to be wrong. Mr. Bradley said he immediately alerted a prosecutor, Linda Drane Burdick, and Sgt. Kevin Stenger of the Sheriff’s Office in late June through e-mail and by telephone to tell them of his new findings. Mr. Bradley said he conducted a second analysis after discovering discrepancies that were never brought to his attention by prosecutors or the police.

                  Mr. Bradley’s findings were not presented to the jury and the record was never corrected, he said. Prosecutors are required to reveal all information that is exculpatory to the defense.

                  “I gave the police everything they needed to present a new report,” Mr. Bradley said. “I did the work myself and copied out the entire database in a spreadsheet to make sure there was no issue of accessibility to the data.”

                  Mr. Bradley, chief executive of Siquest, a Canadian company, said he even volunteered to fly to Orlando at his own expense to show them the findings.”

                  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/us/19casey.html?_r=0

                  That’s the kind of stuff I am taking about. Not the jury, not real evidence, not whether she was guilty or not. Just real the corruption that seems to be rampant in Florida starting with LE and working it’s way up the ladder with the media playing a huge role in it.

                  • jello333 says:

                    Wow. I know almost nothing about that case, and so I don’t have an opinion as to whether or not Casey Anthony was guilty. But that stuff about the searches, and how the prosecution withheld evidence… just wow. We need to pass some new laws, at the state and federal levels. These laws need to say that if you act under color of law (as a cop, a prosecutor, etc), and try to frame a person at trial, YOU will receive the penalty that person would have received if convicted because of your actions. So if it’s discovered that a prosecutor withheld evidence that would have exonerated the defendant, that prosecutor should be sentenced to whatever the defendant would have been. In this case, either life-in-prison, or the death penalty. Harsh? I don’t know… but I DO know it would make prosecutors, cops, and others THINK LONG AND HARD before pulling this kind of garbage.

                  • TandCrumpettes says:

                    I just had to pop in on this – Mr. Bradley is/was misinformed. I watched every second of that trial and the state DID correct the erroneous information in the CacheBack reports. It was corrected in the rebuttal case – perhaps Bradley didn’t watch the part where forensics testified again, embarrassed, and the state showed a nice pretty spreadsheet for the entire world to see that it was actually Myspace that had been visited 84 times. Which does make more sense because I couldn’t, for the life of me, understand why somebody would need to keep visiting a site about chloroform so often.

                • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

                  NONSENSE! I watced that case all the way through (on TV-which is a bad way to do so).
                  .
                  the tv announcers made it seem like they proved she killed keendy when they couldnt prove anything

              • jello333 says:

                I may be the only person here who knows almost nothing about the Casey Anthony case, or Jose Baez. But I don’t think Serino hired him because he wants to sue the SPD or anything like that. Nope… I think he hired him because he’s worried about his own CRIMINAL liability. I think he’s planning on completely spilling the beans about the pressure (threats?) he was under, from some other cops, and maybe from Bonaparte, Triplet, or others. And he knows that as of right now, he’s still criminally liable for filing a false capias against George. But he MAY be able to get off the hook if he can prove that he was acting under duress. That’s where this is headed IMO: Serino wants to help take down the people who conspired against George, but he wants to do it in such a way that he protects himself… that’s first and foremost in his mind.

                • kathyca says:

                  That’s the only thing that makes sense. He was present at daily meetings for weeks where everyone agreed there was no probable cause — yet he was the main interrogating officer and stayed mostly quiet. He’s admitted to the FBI that he was under pressure from black officers and possibly/probably others. He filed an affidavit that went against the conclusion of EVERYONE involved, INCLUDING the prosecutor’s office and was unsuccessful. At which point it was escalated to the next level and taken out of the hands of SPD and the local prosecutor’s office entirely. I don’t think Serino wants to help George at all though. I think he just wants to save his own butt. If he were a decent person concerned about malicious prosecution, he wouldn’t have signed the affidavit in the first place. It also wouldn’t surprise me if someone has some serious dirt on him.

                  • jello333 says:

                    Yeah… “help”…. that’s the one part of my other comment I’d edit if I could. I think what he plans to do from here on out WILL help George, but that’s definitely not Serino’s motivation. As you say, I doubt he cares much what happens to George, but luckily the things he needs to say to help himself will also help George. So yeah… I implied I believe Chris was suddenly gonna be the good guy and try to right the wrong he did to George. That’s not what I believe.

                  • doodahdaze says:

                    I doubt Baez would take the case if he did not think that Zimmerman was being wrongfully convicted.

                  • froggielegs says:

                    “It also wouldn’t surprise me if someone has some serious dirt on him.”

                    And that might be why he agreed to go on 3rd shift patrol with out kicking up any dust.

                • froggielegs says:

                  Jello, couldn’t answer your reply above as there was no reply to click on….

                  Yes that’s the kind of corruption I’m talking about. Even IF that jury found Casey guilty, the fact that the prosecutor withheld evidence and lied through out the trial, would of been enough to win an appeal hands down.

                  The minute this case was over, Jeff Ashton quit the prosecutors office then ran and won States Attorney bringing Linda Drane Burdick ( one of the other prosecutors) in as his assistant. This was all planned from the get go. It didn’t matter whether they won or lost the case, all that mattered was to get the public to believe they were trying to get justice for Caylee so they could take over States Attorney office. Which they did.

                • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

                  As this case evolved, it appeared like serino was the bad cop when it now seems like he was oen of the good ones (and there WERE plenty of racist cops. They were hateful towards whites, though, or anyone they thought was white).
                  .
                  Who were the three cops who were fired from sanford PD? Were they the racist cops who threatened serino?

          • LittleLaughter says:

            Were not the FBI sent down to FL to make sure there were no racist acts going on with the case?? Was 3 black officers pressuring Serino not a racist act?? Oh, silly Me! I forgot that Holder said blacks can’t be racist.

    • jello333 says:

      I still think the two most important people are gonna wind up being Dee Dee and Serino. But NO, I don’t mean important as in the charges against George…. I mean important as in who are gonna cause the implosion that destroys Crump and several others.

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Jello – Deedee is the total “key”. If she “evaporates” – then so does 2nd-degree murder and “Probable Cause”. Even Dershowitz knew the PCA was very weak – assuming that DeeDee had something to say. No DeeDee, then “Poooffff”.

  12. jasondylan says:

    If anyone wants any of the George Zimmerman coverage from NPR, I have it all.

    I followed that one closely, as they never mentioned once that his mother was Peruvian, and that he looked hispanic. They just repeated, “George Zimmerman, racist neighborhood watch guy who killed unarmed black teen Trayvonn Martin”

    It seems that all they do is disparage God and Guns.

    In NPR’s world, George Zimmerman is a racist white guy, and Christian Conservatives were responsible for Benghazi.

    • Alexandra M. says:

      Arrgh….NPR. Most of Seattle just LUVS them some NPR.
      Personally, it should never be allowed airtime when the listener is operating machinery! Makes ya too sleeeepy…zzzz

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      PLEASE post links! they pretend to be so fair, but that is bunk

  13. Hugh Stone says:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trayvon-martin-story-found-the-media/2012/04/12/gIQA9VGmDT_story_1.html

    Last paragraph.

    “Julison, who worked on the story for no compensation, says he always thought his clients’ case had merit, but the outcome wasn’t guaranteed. “All of these things worked perfectly,” he said. “They came out in just the right sequence for us.”

    So he thought. LOL

  14. maggiemoowho says:

    Humpty Crumpty sat on a wall,
    Humpty Crumpty had a great fall,
    all of Natalies Henchman and
    and all of Parks and Julisons friends,
    couldn’t put Crumpty together again. :lol:

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