Update #10 (Part 1) – The Trayvon Martin Shooting “The Real Story”

<— Continued from Update #9

What you are about to read is part one of a two-part update. As of this writing we are very close to revealing shocking information that will lead to a remarkable new understanding of this entire event. What you are reading today is background information needed to fully comprehend the complete measure of how this horrific shooting was turned from an unfortunate and horrible event into a full-blown Tawana Brawley type media circus.

Many side questions that followers of this story have carried could  be resolved in the information below.  But the real tragedy, the intentional manipulation of the event, will be revealed tomorrow. So let us first re-establish the known truths, before we reveal the jaw dropping revelations that will outline the unfortunate, but intentional, hijacking of Trayvon’s death at the hands of agenda driven interests.

From the outset our search has been for the truth. We believe we have honestly outlined that truth, and we are now within reach of possessing evidence to prove that truth and lies yet to be revealed. 

However prudence dictates caution and we are still waiting on a few confirmations before a conclusion can be honestly outlined. It is my expectation that update #10 Part-two will be the final update on substance. What happens beyond that point will lay squarely with authorities and the legal system.

So we begin this understanding where it all started.

On Sunday February 26th Trayvon Martin was at the home of Brandy Green, the girlfriend of his father Tracy Martin. He was home alone with the younger 14-year-old son, Chad Green, of Brandy Green. Brandy Green and Tracy Martin went out to a downtown Orlando restaurant for dinner. Sometime around 5:30pm Trayvon decided to go to a local 7-11 located approximately .8 miles from the townhouse. According to Tracy Martin he never returned.

Craig Rivera interviews Brandy Green and 14 year old Son Chad Green

Tracy Martin and Brandy Green returned home. Tracy stated he went to bed figuring Trayvon must have gone to the movies, perhaps with a cousin, and Tracy turned off his phone. According to Tracy he arrived home around 10:30pm. Why he never saw the police activity at the end of the townhouses, or why Chad did not know of the shooting, remains a mystery.

Upon waking and noticing Trayvon still wasn’t home in the morning, Tracy Martin called the police.

After a flurry of phone calls back and forth, a Sanford police officer told him a police unit was on the way. “So I went outside waiting for Trayvon to show up,” Martin said to a Reuters news reporter.

Instead of one squad car with his son in the backseat, three vehicles pulled up: a police cruiser, an unmarked sedan and another official-looking car. Martin would discover the third car belonged to a chaplain. This all occurred prior to 8 O’clock in the morning on Monday February 27th. About 13 hours since the shooting that took place about 70 yards away, and Martin was still unaware of the fate of his son.

When Tracy Martin greeted the police that morning, a plainclothes detective asked him to describe his son. “He asked me what he last had on. He asked me if I had any recent pictures,” Martin said.

“I showed him a recent picture in the camera and he shook his head and said, ‘OK, let me go to my car and get something.’” The detective returned with a folder.

It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene – his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.

Tracy Martin, 45, who was divorced from Trayvon’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, in 1999, is a truck driver from Miami who has a long-distance relationship with Brandy Green, a resident of the Retreat at Twin Lakes subdivision in Sanford where Zimmerman also lived.

Tracy Martin would visit Brandy Green on weekends, making the four-hour drive to the Orlando suburb of Sanford from his home in North Miami. In late February he was able to bring his son because Trayvon, a junior, was serving a 10-day suspension from Miami’s Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School. He’d been caught with a plastic baggie that contained traces of marijuana and a marijuana pipe in his backpack at school.

This was Trayvon’s third suspension this school year. The first suspension for being in an “unauthorized area” of the school. The second time for graffiti writing “What The Fuck” with a marker on the school lockers. During the search of his backpack for the marker he was found in possession of stolen women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that a school security staffer described as a “burglary tool”.

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.

“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by Miami-Dade Schools Police.

On Tuesday, the day after receiving the horrible news from Sanford Police, Martin went to the Sanford Police Department looking for answers – and his son’s body. Police took him to a room and played some of the 911 recordings of neighbors who called to report a disturbance followed by a gunshot. Martin listened to the recordings and told police the voice screaming for help was NOT his son Trayvon Martin.

They did not play the earlier call to a police non-emergency line from George Zimmerman, during which Zimmerman reported a “suspicious guy”. Investigator Chris Serino then took Martin to another room and told him Zimmerman’s version of events.

Detective Chris Serino has never spoken publicly about his role in the case or his investigation, but here is how Martin recalls what Serino said as told to Reuters:

“He told me Zimmerman’s story was that Zimmerman was of course following him and that Trayvon approached his vehicle, walked up to the car and asked Zimmerman, ‘Why are your following me?’ Zimmerman then rolls his car windows down, tells Trayvon ‘I’m not following you.’ He rolls his car windows up.

“Trayvon walks off. Zimmerman said he started running between the buildings. Zimmerman gets out of his car. He comes around the building. Trayvon is hiding behind the building, waiting on him. Trayvon approaches him and says, ‘What’s your problem, homes?’ Zimmerman says ‘I don’t have a problem.’

“Zimmerman starts to reach into his pocket to get his cellphone, and at that point Trayvon attacked him. He says Trayvon hits him. He falls on the ground. Trayvon jumps on top of him, takes his left hand and covers Zimmerman’s mouth and tells him to “shut the Fuck up” and continues to pound on him.

This part of the scuffle was witnessed by a neighbor who lives at the closest townhouse named “John”. John has verified this segment of events as described by Zimmerman.

“At that point Zimmerman is able to unholster his weapon and fire a shot, striking Trayvon in the chest. Trayvon falls on his back and says, ‘You got me.’”

The Martin family continued to tell this segment of their story as part of a campaign to have Zimmerman arrested. Zimmerman himself has kept quiet.

Zimmerman has not spoken publicly, since any statements he makes could affect future litigation against him. The public outcry driven by the media and a New Black Panther Bounty drove Zimmerman and his family into hiding until he voluntarily turned himself in at the request of the Special Prosecutor.

His father, brother, and former defense lawyer, Craig Sonner, have said in interviews that Zimmerman is not racist and has been unfairly vilified. He feared for his life during his altercation with Trayvon Martin, they say, and was justified in using deadly force. In his conversation with Martin, Serino referred to Zimmerman’s background as “squeaky clean.”

Zimmerman had been arrested in 2005 for shoving an undercover state alcohol agent officer during an argument at a bar. Charges were dropped after he entered a special program for first-time offenders.

After 6 hours of interrogation Sanford police released Zimmerman without charge, but Tracy Martin says Detective Serino told him he would challenge Zimmerman’s account. “The detective’s words were, ‘I want to interview him again to see if I can catch him in a lie,’” Martin said.

Some news agencies have even reported that Sanford’s lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger’s office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is completely not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists “manslaughter” as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Detective Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman’s account – that he had acted in self-defense.

“The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event,” Serino told the Sentinel March 16. “Everything I have is adding up to what he says.””

So it would be prudent for the media and Trayvon supporters to stop with whole “The lead investigator wanted to charge him but it was shuffled under the rug” narrative. It really only further diminishes the search for truth in this case.

Immediately after the shooting, while waiting for police to arrive, neighbor Selma Mora Lamilla saw Zimmerman pacing back and forth, holding his head in his hands. “He was like, ‘Oh my God, what just happened?’” said Mora Lamilla’s roommate, Mary Cutcher.

Zimmerman understood the magnitude of his situation right away, said Joe Oliver, a family friend and colleague of Zimmerman’s at mortgage risk management firm Digital Risk LCC.

“The day after, he went into his job to let them know what was going on,” said Oliver, who has spoken to Zimmerman at least twice since the shooting. That was the last anyone saw of Zimmerman prior to his arrest.

Zimmerman and his wife moved out of the townhouse they rented in the Twin Lakes complex almost immediately, Oliver said, and they were forced to live in seclusion.

However, across town in Sanford’s black neighborhood, word spread quickly that a black teenager had been killed. The shooter, mistakenly reported to be white, had gone free.

Sanford has a checkered history of racial tension, and a divisive mistrust of the police runs deep in some circles. In 2011, a previous Sanford police chief was forced out of the job after a white police officer’s son was captured on video sucker-punching a black homeless man outside a bar.

Ironically it was George Zimmerman himself who led, and coordinated, the black community to protest until justice was served in that case.

Sanford police did not arrest the assailant until video of the attack surfaced on local TV and provoked an outcry from Sanford civil rights leaders. Now, once again, anger was building. A rumor that superiors had quashed an investigator’s intent to charge Zimmerman had already made the rounds in the black community, said Velma Williams, the only black member of the five-person Sanford city commission. The media smelled a great story and did nothing to stem the building animosity.

“People were getting suspicious, saying we knew that was going to happen based on history,” Williams said in an interview. She went to see Police Chief Bill Lee on Thursday, March 1, four days after the shooting.

“I told him, ‘I can see a train coming down the track at 50 miles an hour, and you better get a handle on this,’” Williams said. “He said to me, ‘You can rest assured that it’s a thorough and objective and fair investigation.’”

Three weeks later, on March 22, when there was still no cause for arrest and the media interest was boiling driven by the entrance of Family Attorney’s Parks and Crump, along with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the NAACP applying pressure, the city commission voted “no confidence” in Lee by 3-2 margin.

The police the chief Bill Lee announced his temporary resignation of the case. Lee told a news conference that while he stood by the Sanford Police Department, he was stepping aside to remove any possibility of distraction caused by him.

“It is apparent that my involvement in this matter is overshadowing the process,” he said. “I do this in the hopes of restoring some semblance of calm to the city, which has been in turmoil for several weeks.”

At the time of the shooting, Trayvon Martin was not carrying any identification – only $22, a cellphone, and a reported, now familiar bag of candy and can of iced tea. His body, taken to the Volusia County Medical Examiner’s office, was tagged as a John Doe.

Martin had identified his son to police on Monday, February 27, and asked Serino the next day, Tuesday, to issue police clearance for releasing the body. Wednesday a funeral director named Richard Kurtz was permitted to drive it back to South Florida.

However, what struck many including myself as odd, was in Miami, Trayvon’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, 46, a program coordinator for the Miami Dade Housing Authority, stayed home. After receiving notification of Trayvon’s death on Monday morning she chose to remain in Miami. She never visited Sanford and instead awaited the delivery of Trayvon’s body.

“Every little thing kind of frustrates you, especially if you don’t have the body … Just to know the funeral home had the body gave us some comfort,” Fulton said.

“I cried every day. There was nothing else I could do as a mother. Thank God his Dad was able to run around and take care of things,” she said.

The family held a viewing on Friday, March 2. The memorial service and interment were Saturday March 3rd at Roy – Mizell and Kurtz Funeral home in Fort Lauderdale. It was during this time that Benjamin Crump reported, at a March 20 press conference, Trayvon’s girlfriend, DeeDee, was unable to attend because she was in the hospital distraught and devastated. (Press Conference Transcript Here)

It was further reported by Reuters News Service that Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton wanted George Zimmerman arrested. They believed he stalked their son because he was black, and they were outraged that Sanford police had accepted Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. They wanted more information, they wanted a deeper investigation, they wanted more.

Bill Lee, the police chief, would contend under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, and even under common Self-Defense laws, police could not arrest Zimmerman without evidence to contradict his story.

Tracy Martin turned to Patricia Jones, his sister-in-law.

Patricia Jones is an attorney herself, she knew exactly whom to call: Benjamin Crump, the state’s best-known civil rights attorney, and a personal injury/wrongful death lawyer based in Tallahassee.

Al Sharpton, Martin Lee Anderson’s Mother, and Jesse Jackson 2006

Crump and law partner Daryl Parks had previously gained renown representing the family of a black teenager who died in a boot-camp-style youth detention center in 2006, winning the boy’s family $7.2 million in damages from the state of Florida and Bay County.

On Tuesday, February 28, Crump was at the Duval County Courthouse in Jacksonville, about 125 miles north of Sanford, arguing that public records should be released in civil litigation over Antonio Cooks. Cooks, a black bail bondsman, had been shot and killed by Jacksonville Sheriff’s Officer Jason Bailey while Cooks was serving a warrant and Bailey was responding to a burglary call.

During a break in the hearing, Crump noticed messages from Tyrone Williams, another attorney he knows, and Jones. They urgently asked for his help. Soon Jones put him in touch with Tracy Martin.

“I told him to believe in the system,” Crump said of that first call. “I really believed they were going to arrest Zimmerman. I said, ‘ If he’s a neighborhood watch person with a gun. Of course they are going to arrest him just for that.’” “Then 48 hours passed and they still hadn’t arrested him,” Crump said. “After that we just had to do what we had to do.”

He took the case pro bono. Realizing he needed a lawyer who knew Sanford and Seminole County, Crump turned to Natalie Jackson, a former Navy intelligence officer who founded the Women’s Trial Group, which specializes in cases for women and children. Her mother lives in Sanford.

Now Crump and Jackson needed a media strategy. On March 5, Jackson brought in Ryan Julison, a publicist who had worked with her on a number of high-profile cases. After speaking with Tracy Martin, Julison said he also took the job for free and went to work pitching the story to national media.

Crump knew from his experience on the boot-camp case that publicity could force officials to act, but it would require persuading two people who had never stood before a television camera to withstand the spotlight.

“I got on the phone with Tracy Martin and I told him, ‘It’s not going to be any fun, but this is the only way to find justice,’” Julison said. “You are going to have to bare your soul and express your emotions and your inner grief.” Martin and Fulton agreed. There was only one problem. At first, the media weren’t interested. Julison pitched the story to a long list of media contacts.

Eventually, on March 7, Reuters published a story titled “Family of Florida Boy Killed by Neighborhood Watch Seeks Arrest.” The next day, CBS News aired a segment on “This Morning,” and by 10 a.m. a crowd of reporters gathered at Natalie Jackson’s law office for a news conference with Ben Crump and Tracy Martin. A media firestorm had begun.

The day after the news conference, on March 9, Sanford City Council Woman Velma Williams went back to see Police Chief Bill Lee with community activist Kenneth Bentley. “We said, look, chief. Last time I was here I told you a train was coming down the tracks and it was going 50 miles an hour,” Williams recalled.

“I said it’s going 150 miles an hour now. And it doesn’t have any brakes.” Back in New York, civil rights activist Al Sharpton was monitoring events, his interest piqued by an earlier call from Crump.

After the police chief told reporters on March 12 he lacked any probable cause, or contradictory evidence, to arrest Zimmerman, Al Sharpton took up Trayvon Martin’s cause on his MSNBC show, fueling cable television competition.

The twist that catapulted Martin’s shooting into a world story was the release of recorded 911 emergency calls, including one that captures screams for help in the background that end with a gunshot.  Then President Obama took to the Rose Garden to deliver remarks and said “If I had a son he’d look like Trayvon”.

The media circus went into 24/7 overdrive.  The tempest in the teapot was created.

After those events attorney Benjamin Crump and Daryl Parks enlisted a full media campaign on virtually every channel at all times of day demanding an arrest.  Just an arrest, we only want an arrest.

On March 20th Benjamin Crump held a major press conference where he revealed that he was in possession of a sworn affidavit from Trayvon’s 15-year-old girlfriend DeeDee.

We took another step in this — what has been a daily journey for the past three and a half weeks.

Mr. Martin, on Sunday evening [March 18th], was working with his cell phone account, trying to figure out Trayvon’s password.  And he looked on it, and he saw who the last person was that Trayvon Martin talked to while he was alive.

He called me late Sunday night and told me that he had called the young lady, and he told me, and I was just utterly shocked when he told me the time that they talked.  They had talked all that day, about 400 minutes, starting that morning to the afternoon.  Like many teenagers do, they talked on the phones.

And all his family and friends knew Trayvon would have his ear plugs in his ear and he would have his phone on the side of his pocket.  It was no different that day.  His father and mother talked about, a lot of times, they would wake up and he’ll be on the phone talking to his friends.

Well, what George Zimmerman said to the police about him being suspicious and up to no good is completely contradicted by this phone log, showing, all day, he was just talking to his friends.  And in fact, he was talking to this young lady when he went to the 7-11 and when he came back from the 7-11.  I’m going to get into that in detail because her testimony, her testimony that is shown on these phone logs, connects the dots.  Completely connects the dots of this whole thing.

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s really important to note, and you can follow along because we now have the 911 calls.  And we have Zimmerman’s call to the phone, the police dispatcher.  And you can follow audio, every account now.  Never, in any account, other than George Zimmerman, this neighborhood association loose cannon, does anybody say that Trayvon Martin was up to no good, that he seemed high or anything and in fact.

This young lady details it completely, the tone of the conversation and the nature of the conversation, and what was happening the last minutes of his life.       I will ask you — her parents does (ph) not in any way want to reveal her identity.  She is a minor.  Her parents are very worried about her.  She is traumatized over this.  This was her really, really close personal friend.  They were dating.

And so it’s a situation where to know that you were the last person to talk to the young man who you thought was one of the most special people in the world to you, and know that he got killed moments after he was talking to you, is just riveting to this young lady.

In fact, she couldn’t even go to his wake she was so sick.  Her mother had to take her to the hospital.  She spent the night in the hospital. She is traumatized beyond anything you could imagine.  And we all were teenagers, so we can imagine how that is when you think somebody’s really special, and you call it puppy love or whatever you want to call it.  Then suddenly and tragically, this is taken away and you have, unfortunately, a first-hand account of it.

So I will ask you again on behalf of the family and on behalf of the young lady’s family if you would please respect their privacy.  She is a minor.

Full Transcript Available HERE


And this has been the Keystone of their contention from that moment on.   The entire construct of the Trayvon family version of events is entirely, and completely dependent on DeeDee.   She has been the audio-witness that outlines their entire narrative.

She is also, as expected, included in the Probable Cause affidavit presented by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey:

Full affidavit available here 

Tomorrow we hope to be able to reveal a considerable factual shift in the Parks and Crump media narrative.   It  might, just might, help set this man on a totally divergent course.  

Justice is within the Truth…..  And the truth ain’t always pretty.  

Continue to Update #10 Part 2 —>

About these ads
This entry was posted in media bias, Predictions, Trayvon Martin, Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink.

194 Responses to Update #10 (Part 1) – The Trayvon Martin Shooting “The Real Story”

  1. barnslayer says:

    Were there any witness to prove Martin actually went to a 7-11?

    • Jay says:

      I would also like to know about 711, I don’t think and video exists anymore but the clerk may remember TM then again he probably doesn’t if he did I think we would have heard from him already. I will have to look but I think the original story of Trayvon Martin was that he was shot at that 711 trying to steal I’m almost positive the news was filming at that store no to long after this happen.

    • The investigators revealed, and 7-11 corporate office confirmed, that a video segment was retrieved from the CCTV system containing footage stated to show a black youth purchasing Tea and Skittles around the timeline expected. However, the exact details remain known only to authorities. 7-11 would only confirm the timing of the video was between 6:00pm and 6:30pm on the night in question.

      It could show 6:01pm confirmation, or 6:29pm confirmation or any potential timeline between. Only the police know for sure.

      • Jay says:

        So the time line for 711 is between 6:00pm and 6:30pm and Trayvon was back at the community by 7:09pm the walk should have only took him like 15mins I’m basing that time on an average male walking .8 miles Trayvon was 6-3 so he could have done the trip faster. That’s like a 40 min trip coming back. Or am I wrong with the 7:09pm time of arrival back to the community. It would be great to see the video from the gate at the community bu I don’t think that exists any longer.

        • You are not wrong. even if you accept the latest possible time for the visit at 6:29pm he still should have been home by 7:00pm “if” that was his only destination. If he was there on the other end of the timeline around 6:01 then he REALLY should have been home by 7pm. Either way depending on the accuracy of the time stamp on the CCTV recorder, it does reflect that either he was seriously dilly dallying, and just really walking slow, or he was doing something else en route.

          • Jay says:

            But he had his hood up and it was raining surely he would have been walking faster then normal not slower. I really wish there was video of the front gate to the community to establish an exact time he entered the gate.

          • Annie says:

            there was talk that someone reported Treyvon Martin going through the trash at the complex…looking the “skittles” the dug perhaps?

    • Annie says:

      exactly!! how do we know he went to the 7 Eleven! Tea and skittles are the name for street drugs! Tea is marijuana and skittles is a cough suppressant that kids are abusing…in red pill form that looks like skittles! (hence the name) AND DeeDee’s Twitter account shows she went shopping the next day and had a new BF by weeks end…this is all one big fabricated story! George Zimmerman is an innocent man, made a political pawn by many with an agenda!

      • Jay says:

        Skittles is also a street name for extacy.

      • jd says:

        Dear god I hope somebody got screenshots…

        And thanks very much to the author of this blog, seriously great work, worthy of a Pulitzer! More accurate news from the blogging community than mainstream media, that’s for sure.

        • Jay says:

          I send an email about this very subject to whoever’s email that is on the top. Okay I know skittles is ex, but I have never heard of anyone EVER mention getting tea and skittles. I even looked it up on urbandictionary.com . I might be wrong, perhaps you know more about it than me, but as long as I.. well, I mean, I’ve never heard it called that.

  2. ytz4mee says:

    I’m still waiting for the release of the toxicology report on Martin’s corpse.
    No one seems te very interested in that. I am. One of Zimmerman’s first statements to the dispatcher was Martin was behaving like “he was on drugs” or something.

    • I’m interested in that, too.

    • Honestly I don’t think it matters. Is it important, yes. However, just like Obama’s Birth Certificate are important to many, it is disengenuously overlooked by most.

      Trayvon could have been doped up, or not, it really doesn’t matter at this point. Beyond the immunity hearing, it might come into play.

      • MRM says:

        Well, it may not matter directly, but indirectly it lends more weight to GZ’s suspicions. In the same way that TM’s real appearance and demeanor lend more credence to GZ’s reaction than would the photos that are still being displayed by all the networks, newspapers, mags, etc. When you see someone walking in your neighborhood, all of these things combine to create your impression of that person and his/her intent.

    • Jay says:

      Even if marijuana was detected in his system there really is no way of knowing exactly when he smoked it. Plus like I heard a million times before people will say it’s only weed he’s just a teen being a teen.

      • barnslayer says:

        However if any hint of a drug (even legal prescription) was found in Zimmerman’s blood there would be some media screaming going on.

        • The Trayvon Family attorneys filed a motion mid march (Crump) to seal the coroners report. Same time as the motion to seal school records.

          • WeeWeed says:

            Dayum!!! It really DOES sound like he could be O’Blather’s son!!!

          • Jay says:

            Hmm seal the coroners report because maybe it shows Trayvon had been in a fight and the GSR on his hands also proves Zimmermans story.

            • tara says:

              Good point. They’ll find bruises on him, surely. And they might even be able to tell if he was facing downward or upward when he was shot. Prosecution will have a tough time establishing that GZ was the aggressor if the medical findings establish that TM was facing downward.

              • Aussie says:

                some of the report that was leaked had remarked upon the marks on his hands consistent with being in a fit. Plus it reported that he he powder burns on his forearms. He was shot in the chest at close range with bullet exiting at the back of the body.

                • Annie says:

                  right so if the bullet was found imbedded in the grass, Zimmerman’s story is not true, and it the bullet is found elsewhere, then (as we suspect) the Martin’s story is a fabrication!

                  • Aussie says:

                    would it not depend upon how the bullet exited the body? So far the police had supported the Zimmerman story. It is the prosecutor that has accepted the fabrications.

          • minpin says:

            Hey, there is a CA attorney, who represents the Orlando Sentinel, and many of the leftist cable channels who have filed a lawsuit to get Zimmerman’s records unsealed. I’ve read that O’Mara asked that Zimmerman’s records be sealed in his first court appearance, and that request was honored by the judge. Is that true?

            • Jay says:

              It’s true that Zimmerman lawyer asked that the records be sealed. I believe it was to prevent this from being played out in the media any further.

            • O’Mara filed a motion with the court to seal all records of the case, the prosecutors office Angela Corey agreed, this was at the hearing for probable cause, with the prosecution and defense in agreement the Judge approved the request.

              O’Mara stated the reasoning was his desire to tamper down the media hype and lower the overall temperature of tense climate against his client.

              Florida is the most open of all states regarding public records, there is a statute called the “Sunshine Law” which grants wide open access to any records as a matter of public interest. This far supercedes any other state in public record transparency.

              It is customary in all high profile cases for the media to file suits to gain access to information removed from the public domain. They want the details to present their articles and analysis and draw in readers/viewers etc.

          • Aussie says:

            that coroner’s report is important. Now why did they seek to have it sealed? Something to do with those powder burns on TM’s forearms?

            • Jay says:

              To have them sealed says to me there is something big they are hiding. If I was the Martin family I would want that report out there to further prove our case. Very odd they want it sealed, we know why they wanted to seal the school records.

              • Not neccessarily. Their claim is they want “control” of the information. Why they would need control is the matter to consider. A cynical mind would lend one to believe they just want to insure nothing was in contrast to their specific narrative. This is a legal media strategy. Remember the arrest was because of the public outcry as an outcome of the media narrative. Team Skittles would not want the risk of discovery of any information that would not support their media story. This might have diminished the possibility of getting to first base (arrest). Smart manuever on their part.

                • Aussie says:


                  I agree that team Skittles do not want the public to know what is in the coroner’s report.

                  JJ and Al have been lying about the circumstances. They have been giving the impression that St.Skittles was shot in the back or something, or at least at a distance. Most of the trolls who rolled up here, and elsewhere I might add, seem to be under the impression that TM was gunned down… but that does not seem to be the real story.

                  All of the trolls were unaware that St. Skittles had those powder burns on his forearms. They do not seem to be able to comprehend what that actually means…..

                  Team Skittles has not been telling the truth, and all these folk who are “forTrayvon” really do not have a clue when it comes to what actually happens.

                  This also includes the narrative that George was some kind of wannabe cop. There is nothing to support such a claim.

    • John Galt says:

      Crump has been complaining about Zimmerman not being tested for drugs and alcohol. However Florida statutes 790.153 and 790.155 make clear that he can not be tested without probable cause indicating he was under the influence. And the officers on the scene and those that later interviewed him apparently found no such probable cause. Since Crump is a Florida attorney, he probably knows they could not legally test Zimmerman. Accordingly, I wonder if the real reason Crump is complaining about the failure to test Zimmerman is to prepare the lynch mob for the eventual release of Martin’s hot toxicology report. DISCRIMINATION!!! RACISM!!! THEY DIDN’T EVEN TEST ZIMMERMAN!!!!!

  3. casparweinburger says:

    Wow — now I am in suspense about what you will reveal in part 2. Don’t leave me hanging bro.

    • Trust me, we don’t want to leave anyone hanging. However, I would rather have verifiable proof that could not be challenged, than a “great likelihood” which would be attacked by Trayvon supporters, and those dependent on the Benjamin Parks narrative, relentlessly.

      • Jay says:

        You have me on the edge of my seat waiting, :-P

      • Wraith says:

        …I would rather have verifiable proof that could not be challenged, than a “great likelihood” which would be attacked by Trayvon supporters…

        This is the New Media. Facts, proof and logic. You know–what the LSM used to specialize in. ;)

  4. Jay says:

    I still wanna know what Trayvon was doing for the almost 2 minutes he was unaccounted for. For all we know he could have had something illegal on him and threw it somewhere when he noticed Zimmerman. I can’t understand why at 17 year old football player couldn’t run the 75 feet home with a 2 minute head start. I also wanna know my Tracy Martin would think TM was with his cousin I thought it was TM first time there I also thought he was in trouble. I find it odd that TM just went to bed that says to me TM had no parental guide lines and was able to do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted. Another issue I have is Dee Dee she was so distraught she couldn’t go to the wake and spent the night in the hospital. But why didn’t she call someone the night this happen, she didn’t call his parents or the police fact is she called know one it wasn’t till Tracy Martin called her that her story came out. In another story I read Dee Dee says she heard a struggle then what sounded like someone falling in the grass how could she possibly know that. Why didn’t Dee Dee give her story to the police why only give it to the family lawyer was the TM family hoping that her story would be enough for an arrest and that Zimmerman would plea down and Dee Dee would never have to testify. I think the reason Chad Green doesn’t know anything is because he wasn’t home that night. I think he also went with Brandi and Tracy out to eat. I think the story of the All Star game is just that a story to many things changed with that story. Like the fact Tracy said he left during half time which we all know to be false. There has been leaks all over one stating TM hands showed signs he was in a fight the other by a reporter stating he had in his possession Dee Dee call logs. I personally can’t wait to see everything.

    • …..Why didn’t Dee Dee give her story to the police why only give it to the family lawyer was the TM family hoping that her story would be enough for an arrest and that Zimmerman would plea down and Dee Dee would never have to testify…

      Yes. Exactly THAT. Remember they wanted an “arrest”, just an arrest, not a conviction. That is “first base” (Benjamin Crump’s own words). Second base is passing the immunity hearing and continuing toward a trial.

      After they hit 2nd base they are IN THE MONEY. The standard for a civil lawsuit of wrongful death, based of probable cause, will have been achieved.

      DeeDee was needed ONLY to construct the narrative forcing arrest. They (Parks and Crump) never intended her to testify, they do not intend to involve her in the process. They want us to forget about DeeDee now.

      The narrative containing DeeDee has served its purpose.

      • minpin says:

        sundance- It would appear that DeeDee is the friend named in the Probable Cause Affidavit. It also appears that her “sworn statement” was relied on heavily in order to arrest GZ for 2nd degree murder. If O’Mara does not allow GZ to plead down to lesser charges, and advises that he go for it all the way with his self-defense claims, wouldn’t DeeDee be required to appear in a court trial where GZ is arguing self-defense? How can this girl just walk and never have to testify? Wouldn’t the state’s case be very weakened without her testimony?

        • Jay says:

          I’m almost positive she would have to testify. The thing that bothers me is O’Mara seems to be a smart guy and if he see’s it the way I see it he may just tell Zimmerman to plea down. It’s a big risk to take there is no telling how the jury will decide but with all the hype and everything else it’s a chance I don’t know if I would take. It could very well be the rest of his life and a lot of times it’s just to risky.

          • tara says:

            I think so too. I think if they use any of her statements then she’ll have to take the stand, and O’Mara can have at her.

        • You are assuming a conviction is the goal of team skittles. It is not. Their goal is only a trial, they don’t care about the outcome.

          Regarding the “sworn statement”. As used within the probable cause affidavit it plays no part in trial. The PC affidavit is used only to retain arrest, it is the first line of defense an accused has. The state has to prove why you should be arrested.

          The only time the sworn statement would have forced DeeDee into the case was if her statement was presented as evidence to a grand jury. Because no grand jury was seated to hear evidence it is just not relevent. If the prosecution does not use it, and subsequently introduce her, at trial the jury would never know of DeeDee or the statement itself.

          The accused has the right to confront and question any witness, or witness statement, used at trial. (but not within the probable cause affidavit). So if she is not brought into the trail, she does not legally exist as evidence against Zimmerman.

          I believe not wanting to introduce DeeDee was the PRIMARY motivation toward not using a Grand Jury to establish reason for arrest.

          Zimmerman’s best hope is to win the immunity hearing. If successful, not only will he be in the clear, but it would be impossible for Team Skittles to bring a civil suit against him because a successful immunity determination eliminates any “probable cause”. The case just disappears, and he is proclaimed justified in his action.

          Lastly, if O’mara represents GZ’s best interest he will not cop a plea. However, the charge as it stands appears to be over-charged and specifically intended to coerce or pressure Zimmerman into accepting a plea to a lesser charge, perhaps Manslaughter. As others have eloquently outlined this is unethical, and borders on prosecutorial misconduct, but given the publicity and public perception against Zimmerman Angela Corey is well covered.

          *Note* there are other factors which will come into play regarding a plea deal. Can Zimmerman afford to defend himself? If not, O’Mara would also have to be willing to spend his own resources in defending his client. This defense is highly costly and could potentially bankrupt his firm depending on their size and his financial strength, for it is not only his fees unpaid, which probably range from $500 non-trial hour, to $1000 per trial hour, but also the legal team who of investigators, legal assistants, secretaries etc. etc who collectively probably cost the firm another $500/hour. A case like this would require a minimum of 4,000 hours work. Do the math.

          This is also why O’mara is politely and very diplomatically talking about gaining the prosecution evidence via discovery prior to him formulating a defense. Not only does it help his strategy, but it saves him big $$$$ to use the already exhausted resources from hundreds, if not thousands, of investigative hours already done by the special prosecutor.

          Unfortunately, the absence of the financial capability to launch your own investigation lends to a very slow process. This means Zimmerman sits in jail awaiting the prosecution to present their discovery.

          There are many factors which will go into the decision to take a plea bargain, but make no doubt the financial costs are a big factor in that consideration. Unfortunately.

          • jd says:

            “I believe not wanting to introduce DeeDee was the PRIMARY motivation toward not using a Grand Jury to establish reason for arrest.”

            whoa, great reasoning, thank you very much! (I just snipped that bit, but impressed with your entire comment.)

  5. minpin says:

    I’m wondering if DeeDee wasn’t hidden by everyone because she was pregnant with Trayvon’s baby. When Whitney Huston’s daughter was taken to the hospital twice, due to extreme distress over her mother’s death, she was only there for a few hours each time. Why was DeeDee in the hospital overnight? From the reports, DeeDee would have known that Trayvon was dead, as she couldn’t attend the funeral because she was so ill because of his death.

    Then again, because DeeDee never came forward, refused to talk to anyone except Crump, and the feds, and forced Pam Bondi to go on an interview to ask her to please come forward, I must wonder if DeeDee wasn’t manufactured out of thin air, in order to provide whatever evidence she was willing to lie about, so that the prosecutor could charge Zimmerman. Corey’s Probable Cause Affidavit seemed to rely mostly on the statements of DeeDee. If DeeDee can be proven to be another liar like Tawana Brawley, the whole state case against Zimmerman would collapse I would think.

    I hate suspense!

    • Jay says:

      I think Dee Dee was on the phone with TM that night but I think she may have added things to her story. If it was me on the phone I would have called his parents or the police but she did nothing which leads me to believe she knows nothing.

      • She not only did nothing that night, she never contacted anyone about “the call” EVER. As stated by media, and confirmed by Parks, it was Tracy Martin who contacted “DeeDee” sometime after March 18th when he reviewed the “phone records”.

        Tracy Martin “discovered” DeeDee on Sunday March 18th. On Tuesday March 20th Ben Crump delivered his press conference announcement stating he was in posession of a sworn affidavit (most likely notarized statement) from “DeeDee”.

        Do the simple timeline yourself. When would this “sworn statement” have been made.? There is a very small window of opportunity. Remember, they are in Sanford, She is in Fort Lauderdale/N Miami and school was in session Monday the 19th.

        • Aussie says:

          I think that this is a very critical point… and I am convinced that her claims are indeed a false narrative made up by Crump and Co.

          • John Galt says:

            Made up by Crump? You think?
            “ABC news was there exclusively as an attorney for Martin’s family PRODDED her late Monday about what she heard that night as she spoke to Martin on his cell phone.”

            • Aussie says:

              yep, but you put it better, she was prodded by the attorney…. It is simply not true.

              • John Galt says:

                Right, and the ironic part is that Crump is the one throwing around “witness tampering” and “obstruction of justice” accusations.
                “Crump said that he may file a complaint against Sanford police for witness intimidation, tampering and obstruction of justice. Crump asserted that the police have taken shooter George Zimmerman’s side in the investigation, only releasing information that would be beneficial to Zimmerman and attempting to discredit witnesses who have come forward in Trayvon’s defense.

                “The police job is to obtain all statements whether they like them or not,” Crump said. “Police cannot interfere with an ongoing investigation, to deter future witnesses from coming forward.”


    • Annie says:

      she was not at the hospital, her twitter account, by her own words said she went shopping!

    • Aussie says:

      we have no verification that DeeDee was in the hospital. It sounds like another mushroom fodder story from the Crump stable of lies and distortion.

  6. solaratov says:

    Interesting, too, that DeeDee’s big statement of “grief” on her twitter was in the tune of “bye. bye, trayvon. You were a good friend.”
    She then went on to discuss (in far greater detail) her new shoes and her new boyfriend.

    Yeppers. Poor, poor DeeDee. Just devastated by events and prostrate with grief. :-(


  7. minpin says:

    sundancecracker- Can you at least say if your soon to be revealed information may possibly benefit Zimmerman?

  8. Jay says:

    Did anyone else notice that on the night in question Feb26 at one point Dee Dee says she’s watching the game then tweets she at the movies and then at McDonalds but no mention of Trayvon. So she was so scared for him she told him to run but not to scared that she went to the movies then McDonalds.

    • Duuuude, you are killing me with all this logic and stuff :D C’mon, don’t be all cynical n stuff. :D After all, according to Crump they were on the phone for 400 minutes that day. Let’s see… that’s 6 hours and 40 minutes. Trayvon must get up real early, and DeeDee must be tweeting while hanging out with the family and simultaneously talking on the phone :D :D

      I mean sheeesh….


      • tara says:

        Just another oddity to add to the milliions of others … if they burned up 400 minutes one day and ZERO minutes the subsequent days, and Dee Dee heard what she thought was someone being knocked to the ground … sorry, is this girl dumb? Did she not put the two things together? They were dating and this is how she responds?

    • John Galt says:

      Did anybody try to get an archived version of any tweets that might have been deleted before DeeDee’s twitter name change? Or maybe that is what is coming in Part 2. . . .

  9. tara says:

    sundancecracker, I know what an effort it is to write the kinds of articles you’ve written, and I’m truly amazed. They’ve all been excellent, and even when I think I know everything you come up with new things or present them in a different light, and it makes me wonder how in the hell anyone could believe the Team Skittles story! Thank you again for a wonderful post, I’m eagerly awaiting part 2.

    • Jay says:

      I thought I had found out a lot of info but when I came here I was blown away. Still more info keeps coming out that I hadn’t found. Wonder what sundanecracker secret is.

    • Aussie says:

      the ones who believe Team Skittles are extremely dumb.

      This includes the Watermelons, aka the Green Party and the Socialists here in Australia…. yes, I finally tracked that the Australian stupido types get their information from the Socialist Weekly (or something like that)…. they are extremely dumb… and yes they believe every word that came from the three LSM news channels in the USA, and they were spreading the malicious story about Zimmerman, right down to the lie about “wannabe cop” which is a Crump construct.

  10. Jay says:

    I was just reading an article that says Trayvon had been staying at that community for a week. I thought Tracy Martin lived some where else and would routinely make the 4 hour trip to Brandi Greens house and that Trayvon was there only because he was suspended. Everything I read before states he was only there for a day. The article also says they obtained Dee Dee phone records and it shows Trayvon talking to her much of the day most of the calls only lasting a minute. It goes on to say Trayvon was on the phone with her from 6:30 to 6:49. It also says Trayvon left the house at 6:30pm to go get snacks before the game.

    • stellap says:

      I think Tracy Martin lives in Orlando. Trayvon lived in the Miami area, with his mother.

      • No, Tracy Martin the truck driver lived in Fort Lauderdale and travelled on weekends to Sanford to visit his girlfriend Brandy.

        They were both active Masons (Brandy a part of the female contingent) and both active in the leadership of their local groups. That’s probably how they met at some kind of leadership meeting. :D

    • My suspicion of the phone records all along is they are confusing text and data minutes with voice call minutes. Depending on the plan if you send a text it shows as the minimum time recorded, which is one minute. So if you sent someone 50 text messages it would look like 50 minutes used. The same may apply for hotspot internet usage depending on the time. He could have been using his twitter account via phone etc and gobbling up what appear to be minutes to a person unfamiliar with the plan.

      If you go back and read Crumps statement (transcript link above) he specifically says that Tracy martin was trying to figure out Trayvon’s Password to look at his cell phone account. This would imply a couple of things.
      1. Dad or Mom was not paying for the phone account.
      2. Trayvon had his own cell phone account he was responsible for.
      If he was on Mom or Dad’s cell phone plan they would have the access, it would not take a password they were unfamiliar with. Does that make sense?

      • Jay says:

        Makes plenty of sense my sons phone is the same way .50 a text. I would still like to know exactly what time he was at 711. To me the time he left his house till the time he came back is very important there could have been a number of things he did along the way.

      • minpin says:

        If Tracy Martin had Trayvon’s cell phone bill, and was looking through it, would that mean that the statement was coming to his address, and that he was paying the bill? If Trayvon had a separate phone on Tracy’s cell phone account, would he not have been able to set up his own password access, without Tracy knowing what that password was? Why would Tracy even need a password to access Trayvon’s phone when he had the bill showing the calls in front of him? Didn’t the report say that Tracy was looking over the bill, and noticed the last phone number called, and then called that number and got DeeDee? I’m just trying to think this through.

        • Jay says:

          Could it have been a password protected Iphone.

        • Jay says:

          I think the report said he was trying to get into his phone and when he did he discovered the time of the last call.

        • Tracy Martin did NOT have a copy of a cell phone bill. Again, please reference the specific wording of the press conference:

          ….We took another step in this — what has been a daily journey for the past three and a half weeks. Mr. Martin, on Sunday evening, was working with his cell phone account, trying to figure out Trayvon’s password. And he looked on it, and he saw who the last person was that Trayvon Martin talked to while he was alive…..

          [...] He called me late Sunday night (3/18) and told me that he had called the young lady, and he told me, and I was just utterly shocked when he told me the time that they talked. They had talked all that day, about 400 minutes, starting that morning to the afternoon. Like many teenagers do, they talked on the phones….
          - Benjamin Crump Press Conference 3/20/12 11:30am


          Apparently, Mr. Martin was accessing the account details via computer. He would not know minutes used from the physical phone. It appears after talking to DeeDee, he researched time used on the account that day and determined the 400 minutes.

      • Annie says:

        how is a High School kid able to pay his own cell phone bill?? Is the references his friends made to buying marijuana from him how he made money…or was it the burglary tools?

  11. ItsMichaelNotMike says:

    Well this account tracks what I have been posting on the Net over the past two weeks, in an attempt to defend Zimmerman. I am going on a road bike ride (my daily exercise). When I get back I will give you all some other insights (such as the police report I have and information about the proscutor, who in my opinion is the Nifong of 2012).

  12. Jay says:

    So when did Trayvons mother hear the screaming on the 911 tapes, we already know Tracy Martin said it wasn’t his son.

    • Friday night, March 16th, Sanford Mayor JeffTriplett invited Trayvon Martin’s parents and their legal team (Parks and Crump esq) into his office to listen to each of the 911 calls, which he played on his computer. Zimmermans call and the witness call. This was when Sybrina Martin first stated the screams she heard were Trayvon. Friday night March 16th.

      Two days prior to Tracy Martin discovery of the phone records with “DeeDee”, and four days prior to the Nationally televised press conference by Parks and Crump. Also four days after Sanford Police Chief, Bill Lee, stated on Monday March 12th there was no evidence to contradict Zimmerman’s account.

      From that Monday 3/12 following the Police chiefs comments, the intensity to find evidence to contradict Zimmerman by Parks and Crump intensified. At the meeting on Friday night 3/16 when Sybrina claimed the voice was Trayvon, the legal team also demanded the public release of the audio.

      Out of fear from pressure and worried how it would look, the mayor acquiesced.

      The 911 calls hit the media spotlight that weekend 17th/18th distributed by Team Skittles.

      You can see how the intensity ramped up over those days between the Monday the 12th and Tuesday the 20th Big Press Conference. Or even between Friday night 16th and Tuesday the 20th. Within those 4 days the 911 calls were released, Tracy discovered the phone records, DeeDee presented a sworn statement, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Ben Jealous arrived, and the press conference was held on Tuesday 3/20 with massive media fanfare.

      • Jay says:

        Ok now I’m a lil confused did Tracy hear the tape before Sybrina did or was it the other way around.

        • Tracy heard the 911 witness (scream) tape at the police station on Tuesday February 28th when he was given the Zimmerman account by Detective Chris Serino. It was at this time he confirmed it was NOT Trayvon’s voice in the background calling for help.

          It was not until Friday night March 16th when Sybrina heard the same call played in the Mayors office and stated it WAS Trayvon.

          • Aussie says:

            Sybrina is lying

            • Sybrina is a mother who upon hearing of her sons death near Orlando on Monday morning, chose to stay at home in North Miami until the funeral director brought the body back late Wednesday. Ask yourself, or any parent a simple question. What would you do?

              • tara says:

                I’ve heard from people who have kids that kids are absolute #1, even higher priority than a spouse. I don’t have kids but I do have a husband. There’s no way in h*ll I would not rush to be with my husband, deceased or not, regardless of the location. I would be there as quickly as humanly possible.

          • Jay says:

            So it would be safe to assume he spoke to Sybrina in regards to the tape long before she heard it.

            • Looooong before. It was the Police Chief saying “there was no evidence to contradict Zimmerman” that sent them into a wild frenzy.

              From March 12th to today the only “evidence” has been “media evidence” provided by Parks, Crump, Tracy and Sybrina. Nothing in the substantive initial investigation after two weeks has changed. Nothing. No further damning evidence, no discoveries by the local, state or feds. Nothing.

              Every single thing. The only things…. introduced since March 12th were by Team Skittles. Of them, not one thing actually contradicts the initial evidence. And that is NOT because the State and Feds were not searching under every nook and crany.

              The only thing that changed the narrative from “no evidence to arrest” to the “probable cause affidavit” is DeeDee. That’s it. The only narrative that changed over the past month was the narrative developed between March 16th and March 20th. Nothing else.

              Think about that.

              What changed?

          • tara says:

            They should have played tapes of various guys screaming and then have her figure out if Trayvon is among them. Like a police lineup, and the perpetrator might not be in the lineup.

      • Sharon says:

        “….Sanford Mayor JeffTriplett invited Trayvon Martin’s parents and their legal team (Parks and Crump esq) into his office to listen to each of the 911 calls….”

        Does this city have legal counsel available or on staff??

        Did this mayor not stop to think about whether it was appropriate to do this? Or did he also invite Mr. Zimmerman’s family in? (Obviously not—-)

        Just another example where the Professionally Aggrieved get to do things “differently” and if you reversed the situation, they’d be screaming bloody murder because a mayor called in white parents to listen to 911 calls (secretly) along with their attorney–before the attorneys “on the other side” were made aware of this activity.

        This is so stupid at so many levels, sometimes I feel like I truly can’t follow it even when it’s spelled out as well as Sundance is spelling it out: it seems like there are so many levels of them getting passes regarding normal, legal, thoughtful behavior…..and normal Americans spend the first three quarters of this game standing in the middle of the floor with our mouths hanging open. I’m not even saying that well….but it just drives me crazy.

        Hillary’s phrase “a willing suspension of disbelief” comes to mind. That IS what’s required here in order to “see it their way” at all–and what we’re learning is that anyone who is not willing to suspend disbelief is going to be accused of all manner of things. None of which have anything to do with what is actually so.

  13. Jay says:

    Has anybody seen this?


    Martin told publishers how he learned that his son had been killed.
    “I had been out to dinner. When we got back between 10:15 and 10:45 p.m., he wasn’t at home. The night before, he had been to the movies with my nephew, who had recently moved up to the Orlando area from Miami. Every time Trayvon would come up here, they would find something to do, usually they would go to dinner,” he explained.

    • texan59 says:

      What a gigantic load of horsesh!t. :twisted:

      • Jay says:

        Oh but theres more


        “The only reason he got a chance to go to the store is because he begged his dad to go,” he said. At the time, his father and his fiancée had gone out to dinner and to watch a basketball game, leaving Martin at the townhouse, according to Martin family spokesman Ryan Julison.

        If you read the article it doesn’t mention Chad at all.

        • tara says:

          The omission of Chad is glaring! If Chad had been there, Martin would have said something to the effect of “Chad told us that Trayvon had gone out for snacks and never came back”.

          I’m not saying that I necessarily think this, not yet at least … but what if Chad weren’t present? That would explain why he never noticed the sirens and lights. But he told Craig Rivera that he was there. Oh my god, what if he wasn’t ?????? That would mean Crump, or someone, had instructed Chad to lie.

          • tnwahm says:

            I have long wondered why a 14 yr old wouldn’t notice and check out such a commotion in the neighborhood. It happened less than a football field away from where he supposedly was. It doesn’t pass the sniff test.

          • Jay says:

            It may not have been Crump that told him to lie then again it could have been. I think it was his own mother who told him to do it. Keep in mind the story has flipped many times. First I heard that Trayvon was at home with his dad watching the all star game and during half time Trayvon went to 711, then it was that he went to 711 for snacks for him and Chad,then it was he begged his dad to go. Now it’s that Tracy thought he was out with his cousin who he had been out with the night before and had hung out with him a few other times when Trayvon visited. But that story has also been flipped around because I thought Trayvon had only been there that one time.

    • I have read other accounts of the same or similar discussion. With Tracy claiming he and Brandy arrived home at 10:30 pm. However, it would be challenging to understand how they did not see the entire fiasco taking place at the end of the block, but I digress. The live news feed at 11:00pm shows a considerable police presence still around.

      Oh, and Trayvon was “supposedly” grounded too. And where was Chad when they arrived? Sitting on the doorstep waiting for his Skittles? Go figure. Don’tcha think 14 year old Chad would of said “Trayvon went to the store for Skittles dad”… ?????

      • Jay says:

        I read another report just now that said Tracy and Brandi came in through the back entrance and never saw the police there. I still think Chad was with his mom and Tracy out to dinner that night. Now I’m curious as to who the cousin is. With his dad stating he had been there many times and had been there the whole week leads me to believe he could have been up to all kinds of things. He very well could have been apart of some burglaries.

      • tara says:

        Oh my god, sundancecracker, YES! Why didn’t Chad tell Tracy Martin that Trayvon went to the 7-11 and never came back???? What did Chad say??

        Another thing … I thought Tracy Martin said that this was Trayvon’s first time in Sanford. Also, remember the video of Brandy the day after the incident? She said Trayvon doesn’t know anyone in Sanford!

  14. ItsMichaelNotMike says:

    In response to my defense of Zimmerman, some people on the Net (on Huffington Post and MSNBC blogs, for example) have said “he was a child, he was 17.” To that I have just responded, with this (how about some help folks, I am getting pummeled by 99% of the people on those sites. Help manning the Zimmerman fort would be appreciated ;)

    Anyway, here’s what I said about the bogus “he was only a child” narrative:

    “In the eyes of the law he was months away from adulthood. He was closer to being an adult than he was a child, as the parents and PR people are attempting to portray with those pics of him from years ago.

    And in the eyes of the law he was months away from being able to enlist in the military and be sent off to Afghanistan.

    And at his age, 17, he could enlist with his parents permission.

    Speaking of parents, obeying laws, and good parenting, Trayvon had extensive tattoos on his arms.

    The legal age in Florida to get a tattoo without an adult PRESENT is 18.

    Florida Statutes: Chapter 877 Miscellaneous Crimes

    877.04 Tattooing prohibited…

    (3) No body of a minor shall be tattooed without the written notarized consent of the parent… A violation of this provision is a misdemeanor.

    (Hmm… I wonder if the tattoo artist(s) has (have) that notarized statement on file.

    (And if your response is that it is OK because a friend or neighbor inked those tattoos, well that’s a crime too:

    ‘(1) It is (a second degree misdemeanor) for any person to tattoo the body of any human being; except that tattooing may be performed by a person licensed to practice medicine or dentistry under chapters 458 and 459 or chapter 466, or by a person under his or her general supervision as defined by the Board of Medicine.’)”

    • “Children” under the age of 18 commit acts of assault, battery, and even murder. If he was the aggressor, then he is responsible for what happened next. Liberals, though, think that we are all “children” and no one should be responsible for the consequences of their actions – especially anyone in specially protected groups of people. They’re “victims”, don’t ya know.

    • Silly Michael, if you are on the HuffPo or lefty joints and they are claiming he was merely a child at 17 then perhaps ask.

      But, but, wait, the progressive movement is seeking to change voting rights to 16 years old. If at 16 you are not a child, and responsible to make such prudent electoral choices, then how can you be a child at 17 and not responsible for your choices?

      But, but, wait, if you are a child at 17 then certainly you would not support an immature mind making such a decision, as, say, well, abortion without parental notification no?

      Or is that how one would define age specific “selective moral outrage”? Just curious, but then again perhaps the question is rhetorical. ;)

      • ItsMichaelNotMike says:

        Yes, silly to be on HuffPo, but sites like that is where Zimmerman needs a defense, albeit there’s no convincing them.

        For example, ABC made public the enhanced (sharper) police station video showing injury to the back of Zimmerman’s head.

        A few days earlier, MSNBC’s O’Donnell, a self-declared forensic expert, lawyer and investigator, on his show repeatedly played (looped) the blurry video, and paused on on the frame showing the back of Zimmerman’s head. O’Donnell (and Schultz earlier in the day), branded Zimmerman a liar because these armchair experts said the video did not indicate any injury whatsoever to the back of his head.

        When ABC announced that the enhanced video showed injury to the back of Zimmerman’s head for the entire week no one on MSNBC even mentioned the new video. And some had the audacity to keep playing the blurry video to support their narrative.

        Anyway, when I mentioned on HuffPo that the enhanced video showed injury to the back of Zimmerman’s head, some people actually posted “well he obviously did that to himself, to support his lies.”

        That’s when I knew that there’s no talking to those racists. They will lie, contort and distort to assure that Zimmerman hangs, so to speak. The sad thing is, these people see nothing wrong with what they are doing.

      • Aussie says:

        Over here it is the Watermelon Party aka the Green Party that wants the vote lowered to 16 year olds.

        The truth is that whilst this group might be politically aware they are not mature enough to exercise the right to vote. We have compulsory voting and letting this group near the polling booths would be an unmitigated disaster due to the level of brainwashing in the schools.

        However, there is hope… by the time they reach real maturity after the age of 21 they start to think and even on something like the garbage called Globull Warming… some can actually discern the truth.

        Trayvon without a doubt fitted into the brainwashed group… the mere fact that he had an attitude problem is an indication that he accepted no responsibility for the points of view that were handed to him…. at school!!

    • tara says:

      Yah, he was just a little baby. That’s why he posted all of that gutter talk on his facebook account about “loose pussy” and “getting head”. What a sweetheart!

      I know a guy who grew up in a tough neighborhood, and I kid you not he started carrying a gun when he was TEN. So nobody can ever convince me that a teen or pre-teen is pure an innocent. Some are, most aren’t.

  15. ItsMichaelNotMike says:

    And here is how I responded to an accusation that I was smearing a 17 year old child with my comments:

    “I agree that the details I reveal can have a “smearing tone.” That is precisely why the parents and their PR people attempted to scrub the Net of this evidence, showing us who was the real Trayvon.

    After all, how many “children” do you know have, presumably with the permission of a parent, tattoos covering both arms.

    How many “children” do you know have a gold grill, as gangs like to refer to a top or bottom row of gold teeth.

    Moreover, he was formally suspended three times from school so far this school year, meaning within four months. (I have to wonder what other discipline the school imposed, that is, lesser than formal suspension.)

    And on school grounds he was busted for defacing property, having evidence of drug use and/or sales, and possessing burglary tools and “loot” (interesting the media has never talked about the 12 pieces of women’s jewelry he had in his backpack).

    In any event, Trayvon’s cherubic, honor roll, dean’s list (actually the other list ;) school days are in the school’s file, you know, the one that Trayvon’s parents and PR people had sealed.

    Also consider that at Trayvon’s age (17) a parent could have given permission for him to enlist in the military. So in a few months he could have been in Afghanistan. (I assume you don’t label as “children” the 17-year-olds who have died in the Middle East, or are at risk of dying defending your raison d’être.

    Bottom line: Trayvon was months away from being an adult, and he was closer to being legally considered an adult than he was to being the “child” the parents, PR people, MSNBC, media, Sharpton, and O’Donnell are trying to con good Americans into thinking he was, and poison prospective jurors in the multi-million dollar lawsuits against anyone remotely related to this incident. (And make no mistake, that’s what is driving all this. The attorneys and PR people are working on a contingnecy basis, meaning for “free.” Why? Because they see millions of dollars pouring in from settlements, similar to what happened in the Oscar Grant shooting out here.

    These people seeking justice could care less about that. They don’t give a rat’s pitoot what happens to Zimmerman, they simply want things pushed far enough so the police, city of Sanford, the Home Owners Assoc., and others settle, one by one by one, for millions each.”

    • WeeWeed says:

      Which, I believe, is what SD’s been saying all along. Thank you!

    • Aussie says:

      In both the first and second world wars there were boys we consider to be under age who joined the armed forces. They did it by claiming that they were older…. wonder how they got away with it if a birth certificate was required…. so yes…. he was old enough to join the military.

    • James says:

      I think it’s the doctored picture in the white hoodie that is the most ridiculous. When my wife say the picture, she said that ‘he looks he’s wearing foundation!’. Now we know that that pic was photoshopped to make him look more youthful and ‘sweet’.

  16. Aussie says:

    Michael, keep going… I am sure you have more information by now.

  17. ItsMichaelNotMike says:

    Here is another Huffington Post comment and my response. :)

    (Back story: I had posted my “list” that evidenced this guy was no child, including pointing out that he lied on the social websites that he was 19, when in fact he was a minor and not allowed to create his social web pages. A small point, to be sure, but fact is he lied. I could just as well gone after him for possibly being a predator or stalker.)

    Anyway: the comment by that bleeding heart:

    “In the eyes of the law he IS a child. He JUST TURNED 17. I have a 17 year old if she misses school or is out past curfew they are gonna come to the parent not the child. Alot of good children don’t tell their real age, I’m grown and my age says 92 cause simply it’s nobody’s business. All of that truly doesn’t matter what matters is 2/26/12 around 7pm.”

    My response:

    “To your comment that ‘In the eyes of the law he is a child,’ no he is not. Under the law he is a “minor” not a “child.” Consider:

    In the eyes of the law at 17 he can do many things that children cannot (including as I said before, joining the military).

    At 17 in many jurisdictions he meets the minimum age where the state can prosecute him as an adult (some jurisdictions allow that at age 16).

    In some jurisdictions he can be eligible to be tried as an adult and be executed.

    At 17 he can watch X rated movies, see “NC 17″ rating.

    At 17 in many jurisdictions he can file an emancipation petition, where he is asking the court to have him declared an adult, allow him to enter into contracts, move out, vote, and to otherwise be an adult on his own.

    Need I go on. In the eyes of the law, he IS NOT a child.

    • ItsMichaelNotMike says:

      Point of correction, I am not sure, but maybe the SCOTUS opined at one point or another that minors cannot be executed. (Seems in passing I heard something about that, or it could be a state law that prohibits such. I’m too lazy to look it up ;)

      However, I also read or heard that this rule applies to the time of execution, not the date of the crime.

      I don’t follow criminal law, so I don’t portend to know about the death penalty and whatnot.

    • ItsMichaelNotMike says:

      Alright, I did the right thing and Googled it. Per a website:


      (The death penalty is forbidden in all states for those under the age of 18 at the time of their crime following the Supreme Court’s ruling in Roper v. Simmons (2005))

      Hey, at least I spotted the issue. :)

      • tara says:

        It’s hard to argue with people who have some emotional need to see a situation in a particular way. They WANT Trayvon to be this sweet innocent kid. They probably feel that if they look at Trayvon in any other way then they’re succumbing to stereotypes. But the reality is there are some good kids and bad kids and kids who are good sometimes and bad at other times. And they come in every color. When I looked at Trayvon’s posts there was a lot of obnoxious gutter talk and ghetto slang, but every once in a while there’d be a really thoughtful well written perfectly spelled post. It actually makes me sad, I think his environment made him a troubled teen and if he’d had better parenting and a better environment he would have been a good kid, one who approached GZ in a positive way and the entire incident would have never occurred. You know what I do when someone is staring at me like I’m a suspicious character? I smile. Nobody taught Trayvon to do that. He was taught to confront, to be on the defenseive. It’s very sad. T

        • MRM says:

          tara, you make a very good point here. A lot of this is simply how we are taught and what we learn – which may or may not be the same thing. When I was a freshman in high school, my English teacher shared with us an experiment she had performed at the local mall. This was in the ’70s and in our small-ish town, girls/women still dressed a certain way to go shopping or to dine out. My teacher, who was probably in her mid to late 20s (no idea – all teachers seemed pretty old to us) went to the local mall on two separate occasions, visiting the same stores for the purpose of her experiment. On one trip she wore jeans – long, faded, frayed at the bottom – and sandals, with a tee shirt. On the other shopping trip she wore professional clothing – i.e., business attire. She reported back to us that she was followed around and treated like a shop-lifter when she dressed in her ratty jeans, but was treated with the utmost respect and was catered to when she was dressed professionally. By the way, it didn’t seem important at the time, but to keep it in context, I should mention that this was a predominantly white community and she was white as well. I guess that takes on greater importance now given that the stories of this kind that we hear most often today involve race and by extension, racial profiling. In this case though, whatever her intended message was, the lesson I learned was that if I wanted to be taken seriously as a customer, it would behoove me to dress appropriately.

          • MRM says:

            oh, and to your point, Tara – to act appropriately as well. That means smiling, introducing oneself, behaving in a way that shows you mean no harm and have done no wrong.

          • Really good story, M. Still, I think you can’t always avoid trouble. And one of the things our folks taught us, even white, middle class kids, was that you have to expect to be confronted, and THAT’S LEGITIMATE. That whole aspect of civilized society has been lost in the rush to convict Zimmerman. When I was confronted by a store detective who thought I was shoplifting instead of actually tying my shoe, or when I was falsely arrested for theft, my upbringing saved me, because I knew these guys were just doing their jobs, even if it meant profiling young people. I was always miffed about not getting apologies, but at least the experiences were brief and incident-free. Unlike Travon’s.

            • MRM says:

              Exactly. I was taught the same. I think another aspect is that I grew up believing that the police were there to help. That they were the good guys. I can’t imagine another way of thinking, but I’m sure it exists.

              • Jay says:

                I have been profiled my entire life, being half puerto rican and growing up in NY it’s just the way it was. Then I started to get tattoos and began to get profiled by both the police and by regular people. I feel if you have nothing to hide there is no reason to worry I would actually laugh at cops when they would stop me thinking I was up to no good when in reality I was doing nothing wrong.

      • Jay says:

        But did you read how the youngest executed was 14 in 1944.

    • Aussie says:

      Michael, I am not sure about American terminology, but here in Australia, someone who is considered under age or not an adult is referred to as “infant”. It is legal terminology over here, or it was and it applied to what we consider to be minors.

      Young people are children until about the age of 12 then they become teenagers. The term we use most for them is youth. It actually sounds strange to hear someone referring to an 18 year old as a man, because honestly at that age they are still quite immature.

      • jd says:

        er I know several aussies, all of whom are parents, and none of them ever refer to their teenagers as “infants”. It may or may not be a legal term (I would have to ask, or perhaps google) but I seriously doubt that what you say is true. sorry.

        • Aussie says:

          Infant is a legal term and it is quite an old term.

          You are correct that we do not refer to our teenagers as infants. It is why my sister was so angry when lawyers referred to her as an “infant” when she was married, and she and her husband were purchasing their first home.

          It is also what I learned via Commercial law which in the first year is the law of contracts and it covered a lot of material on marriage contracts.

          On top of that it is a term used by the Marriage Tribunal of the Catholic Church.

  18. Jay says:

    I’m still waiting for Sundance to drop this part 2

  19. Scoots Knuck says:

    Fan for life! FINALLY the voice of logic and reason! FINALLY!

    • Aussie says:

      welcome to the treehouse.

    • Sharon says:

      Welcome, Scoots Knuck. Find yourself a branch that’s comfy. ‘smores around the campfire some evenings….and usually on Friday, somebody drags a cooler out to kick off the weekend. A very good bunch of peeps here–welcome.

    • Annie says:

      ya! I agree! too bad there are not like buttons so I could hit them all over the place :)

    • tara says:

      LOL! Scoots Knuck, your post perfectly describes my sense of relief when I found this blog!

  20. juju says:

    very interesting people

  21. Opinionated Voice says:

    How can anyone respond with such assurance of what did and didn’t happen unless you were physically there or connected to the situation? At the end of the day a CHILD is DEAD- shot unnecessarily. I should hope anyone would feel comfortable going to a 711 at whatever the hell pace(in reference to the time it took him to walk there and return to the gated community) you want without worrying about getting shot at 7 pm in the evening. The kid was on the phone with his girlfriend, maybe that is why he was not in a rush-he might have lingered in the store because it started to rain- hell he could have been leisurely looking at a freakin magazine. I do it all the time. Stop trying to find reasons to justify this boy’s death- no matter how you twist and manipulate it an unarmed CHILD is MURDERED and is gone forever. Zimmerman’s life is gone forever as well. He has to live with the fact that he was led to be in a position and make the decision to kill based on preconceived notions and profiling. He has to face the man in the mirror and the notoriety he will have until the day he dies-the tainted legacy he will leave behind. He can’t escape the prison in his mind or his conscious which is his permanent judge and jury,

    • Jay says:

      But you happen to be doing it as well, You clearly stated CHILD is DEAD- shot unnecessarily but what evidence do you have that says it was unnecessarily. What we have here if facts and we happen to be after the truth no matter which direction it takes us. I read a story not to long ago about a young man who raped a women the young man was about the age of Trayvon and he was unarmed. Unarmed doesn’t always mean innocent.

      • tara says:

        I love how Team Skittles always neglects to consider that GZ had no idea if TM was armed or not. Also, according to Zimmerman and some gun evidence, it appears that TM was trying to wrest the gun away from GZ. Some innocent child. (eye roll)

    • tara says:

      Oh please. A 17 year old who has been suspended from school 3 times, talks about “loose pussy” and “getting head”, and participates in fight clubs is hardly a “child”.

      It’s a shame your prejudice clouds your ability to think logically. Please do us all a favor and NEVER be a juror.

    • tnwahm says:

      Why didn’t this “child” go home if he felt threatened by Mr. Zimmerman instead of assaulting Mr. Zimmerman?

    • Aussie says:

      17 year olds are not children. The correct description of a 17 year old, who looks more like a man than a young child, is YOUTH.

      Was this person shot unnecessarily? Well let’s start by looking at what took place because when you disregard the real facts then you come up with the nonsense that you espouse.

      1. We have not seen the video footage that proves that TM was in the store, and certainly not for any length of time. There is an enormous gap between the time of the alleged purchase and the actual incident. The gap was long enough for TM to have returned to the residence where he was staying before 7.00 pm.

      2. There is no evidence that TM was in fact talking to DeeDee. It is just as likely that they had texted each other. It is all hearsay at the present time.

      3. TM, the 17 year old thug who was involved in fight club at school, punched George Zimmerman in the face. Those fists are a lethal weapon. It is inaccurate to say that the 17 year old youth was unarmed. He had his fists.

      4. It was TM who confronted GZ, who punched GZ to the ground and pounded his head into the ground. The new photograph is the most graphic evidence to date that shows the extent of the injury to GZ.

      5. Despite what comes from the race-baiters Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder and of course Benjamin Crump, George Zimmerman did not draw his gun. It was hidden from sight up until George was on the ground. At that time it was spotted by the deceased who attempted to get hold of the gun, and who intended to kill George Zimmerman once he spotted the gun…

      6. We now learn that Crump sought to have the coroner’s report sealed. However, we do have some information from that report which Crump cannot hide. There were powder burns on the forearms of the YOUTH Trayvon Martin. There were powder marks on his hoodie that indicate he was shot at close range.

      This is clearly a shooting death that took place at very close range. As such it is entirely debatable to claim that this was murder in the second degree. In fact from what we do know from the true eye-witnesses, not the hearsay witness, this was self-defense.

      Trayvon Martin made the mistake of not continuing to the place of residence. He doubled back and he caused the confrontation. Zimmerman was not in pursuit of him at the time of the confrontation. He was returning to his truck. Trayvon Martin brought about his own death because of his own stupidity.

      • Jay says:

        This is just my opinion but TM lived in Miami Gardens which happens to have a few different gangs there. Anything from a blood to a Latin King. I feel TM was on the verge of being a gang member. We already heard his father state that he wanted TM with him so he wasn’t hanging around his neighborhood having a good time. drive by drug deals and murder isn’t a good time unless you are into that life style. I have seen so many kids like TM when I lived in NY not 100% into the life but very close. He sold weed so where did he get it from? I would think from someone where he lived and that person was probably a gang member. For everyone who says well it’s just weed needs to wake up. Weed isn’t like it was back in the day when it was $900lbs $100 ounces now it’s more like $600 ounces and like 8 or $10,000 for a pound people get hurt for it everyday. To sell you have to have a certain mind set and I feel TM had it. The pics of when he was young is way different then the recent ones. Recent pics he’s not smiling at all he looks to me like and angry kid. The way he speaks online shows me he has no problem speaking like that in public.

    • ZurichMike says:

      Oh, dear. Another drive-by posting of emotional “arugments” from a keening leftist.

      1. “How can anyone respond . . .?” Yet you yourself then provide your own response. Hypocrite.
      2. “CHILD” — not so fast. Legally, he’s a minor, and apparently grown up enough to get tattoos, gold grills on his teeth, go ou in the dark by himself, and beat someone’s head into the concrete. And you make it seem like poor little Trayvon was without mumsie and daddums and nibbling Skittles looking for his apartment in the rain. And flipping your “argument”: I would hope that anyone living in a gated community like GZ would feel comfortable going out in peace without having to see some thuggish character wandering around aimlessly casing homes.
      3. On the phone? Speaking or texting? Reading a magazine? Or dealing for drugs? Do you know? Assuming facts not in evidence to create a narrative pleasing to your goals.
      4. GZ perhaps made a decision to defend himself. Whether he had the “mens rea” (intent) to kill has to be established in court, not by the media and the leftist whore apologists for Team Skittles.
      5. “Preconceived notions and profiling” — ah! repeating the mantra of the left with no evidence support it. GZ described TM in response to questions from the dispatcher. And the burglaries in the area are mostly committed by young black men — that’s not profiling, it’s factual.
      6. The only “tainted legacy” GZ has is the one foisted upon him by abject, depraved, leftist, race-baiting whores like you.
      Thanks for playing. Go back to HuffPo now.

      • Jay says:

        Smoking weed, selling weed probably getting drunk having sex and tattoos. His innocence was gone along time ago. Now he had what 3 tattoos and just turned 17 which means he was probably getting them at 15. I’m not saying tattoos make you a bad person I myself have many but I would never allow my son to have one unless he is 18.

    • bettyboo9691@yahoo.com says:

      Seriously, YOU are ignoring the fact trayvon ASSAULTED Zimmerman for asking questions, WHY is it ok for him to be getting away with it according to your belief. There are no logical or legal reasons for trayvon to have assaulted or attempted murdering of Zimmerman JUST for asking a few questions. Would it not have been easier and more respectful just to have stopped and politely answered what ANY neighborhood watchmen askes on a regular basis? YES. PERIOD. People need to teach their kids manners, morals and self-respect. That IS what started this off on a bad note. Zimmerman getting out of his vehicle was NOT illegal, trayvon ASSAULTING him WAS! YOU are condoning ASSAULT if you male excuses for trayvons actions…..I am sure Georges mind is guilt free considering trayvons actions towards him.

    • Marty says:

      Why do you say unnecessary? Zimmerman was on the ground being beaten and he was not suppose to respond. I think he would be the dead one if he was so unfortunate as to not have a weapon. He was just doing his volunteer job as a citizen, approved by both ther police and the neighborhood. He also lived in the neighborhood and probably knew most of the people that belong there. Trayvon did not live there and do not think it was even his father residence. Look at his past history-Trayvon was an out of control 17 year old looking for trouble.

  22. Heat2Hot says:

    The 7-11 is a non-issue. Bernie even said in court yesterday at the bond hearing that they have Trayvon on tape making his purchase at the 7-11. Zimmerman is finished because here in Florida you cannot pursue a perceived threat and claim self defense. The Stand Your Ground Law will not protect you. It doesn’t matter if you turn to walk away and claim you were attacked – Dooley vs The State Of Florida, Tampa, 2010. You are taught in concealed weapon class not to PURSUE a perceived threat because if you have to kill someone the Stand Your Ground Law cannot be used as a defense. The Zimmerman case is not the only case like this here in Florida. Three weeks ago here in Jacksonville a youth pastor came from Gainesville and got into a road rage fight with a guy who had just picked his daughter up from school. The guy who had just picked up his daughter pulled into a parking lot. The youth pastor PURSUED him and drove into the parking lot too. The guy who had just picked up his daughter FIRED FIRST!!!!! The youth pastor fired back and killed the other guy. The youth pastor is in jail because he was the PURSUER like Zimmerman was. Florida doesn’t give a damn about who attacked you first. You cannot be the PURSUER and we know this in Florida. We just don’t understand why so many others don’t know it. Zimmerman is finished like Trevor Dooley, Marissa Alexander and so many others who were the PURSUERS.

    • stellap says:

      GZ was walking in his own neighborhood. He started to follow, then stopped (911 tape). As far as we know right now, he did not confront TM.

      ADD: SYG may not apply, but self defense could.

    • You are comparing apples to oranges. The cases you cite above are individuals persuing a perceived threat. Zimmerman was not persuing a threat nor had he encountered or had any contact with Trayvon. Totally different.

      Following your logic no-one would ever be able to defend themselves if they approached someone and asked what they were doing. Thats not an application of law, that’s silly.

      I have every right to walk up to someone and ask who they are and what are they doing. I can do so without conceeding my right to defend myself if they decide to go spider monkey on me.

    • Jay says:

      Zimmermans neighborhood near Zimmermans house multiple break ins including a home invasion where a women hides her self in the bath tub along with her kids while her house was robbed. Fact is Zimmerman had every right to do what he did especially after spotting Trayvon and then Trayvon put up his hood. For all we know Trayvon could have been looking at Zimmerman like a mark(meaning he was gonna rob him) Trayvon had a head start but didn’t go home he decided to double back and confront Zimmerman. How do we know Trayvone didn’t stash stuff in the bushes while he was walking fast and lost Zimmerman. Another thing to take into account is the fact Trayvon had no idea who Zimmerman was for all he knew Zimmerman could have been the police but Trayvon decided to put up his hoodie and run. Or maybe Trayvon did know who Zimmerman was if you believe Tracy Martins account that Trayvon had been there a few times and would hang out with his 20 year old cousin.

      • John says:

        Trayvon had been to Sanford to visit in the past. The Miami police couldn’t match the jewelry to any local break-ins. Did they share the photos of the jewelry with the Sanford police so they could match it against the break-ins that happened in Zimmerman’s neighborhood? I’ve got a feeling that they don’t want to know the answer to that question.

        • minpin says:

          If Trayvon had been to Sanford in the past, why then did Brandy Green the one who lived there, tell Craig Rivera in an interview that that was the first time Taryvon had been to Sanford, and that he didn’t know anyone there.

    • Scott says:

      You leave out one very important aspect which causes your view point to fail. The pursuit was engaged from a road rage incident as you mention. an incident was already in progress. in this case, GZ has no anger or intent to engage other for the possible reason to ascertain why TM is acting the way he perceives he did. Remember, GZ’s hood had many recent robberies. Attempting to ascertain whether or not TM could be involved with a robbery is entirely different than a pissed off person pursuing another man after a road rage incident. the man in the rage incident firing first as cause to believe the other person is following him because of an incident between them both that has already occured, and he is standing his ground in defense and within his right to shoot first. TM and GZ had no prior contact between them. Unless it can be shown that TM attacked first out of fear, and was actually standing his own ground, your point I believe is mainly moot.. It appears to me at this time that TM was more interested in engaging into a fight club scenario, but we shall see.

    • barnslayer says:

      Wrong. Martin was not a perceived threat. He was an individual who appeared to be acting odd as observed by a neighborhood watch member. It’s his position to make such observations. He pursued Martin to find out what he was up to. He lost him. He went back towards his car and was attacked from behind by Martin. There was no perceived threat. It was a surprise assault. Had Zimmerman chased Martin with gun drawn it would have been different. In the end Martin initiated the fight, pressed the attack and was rightfully sh0t. “Stand your ground” doesn’t even apply here since Zimmerman was attacked from behind, knocked to the ground and could not run away with Martin on top of him.

    • John Galt says:

      Fail. There is no Florida appellate case styled Dooley v. State of Florida. There is no Florida common law from Dooley v. State of Florida. You’re not a lawyer, are you? Yet you’ve been posting this “Dooley v. State of Florida” nonsense everywhere you can. David James was playing basketball with his daughter. He and Trevor Dooley got into an argument about whether skateboarding was allowed on the court. The two got into a fight. Dooley shot James. Please point me, first, to where the Dooley case established a single point of Florida common law – any binding precedent. Then tell me what you know about whether Dooley was the aggressor and what evidence you have that Dooley retreated? What were the statements of the witnesses? How are you applying Florida Statutes 77.041? Yeah. I didn’t think so.

  23. Omar says:

    I am so very impressed with the logical thought and the research here! Kudos to you, and thank you for this. Brilliant commentors as well:)
    Off topic…this is the thought that has occurred to me while mulling this subject matter:
    If the NEW Black Panthers offered a bounty for the “arrest” of Zimmerman…to whom was this bounty to be paid? The arresting officer? OR, more likely….to the “witness who came forward” to provide that “missing evidence or testimony” that was needed to arrest Zimmerman.
    Wonder if DeeDee suddenly came into some money….
    My opinion only.

  24. GO says:

    True Martin may have caused trouble at his school, that still doesn’t merit him being killed in a confrontation. If you assess Zimmerman’s background you see a person with questionable decision making. Two prior arrests, multiple 911/police calls………..you must admit the guy doesn’t have it all together upstairs.

    • ItsMichaelNotMike says:

      You don’t get to pass go. Your comment indicates you don’t know squat about the facts, law and evidence in this case.

      How did you find this Site? People in here are thinkers. They are not drama queens.

      Bonus Comment: There’s a lot of pro-Tawana Brawley sites on the Net. You need to confine your thread crapping to those places.

      Thanks in advance for your making like a tree and leaving.

  25. That is really interesting, You are an excessively professional blogger. I have joined your rss feed and stay up for in search of extra of your great post. Additionally, I’ve shared your website in my social networks

  26. Pingback: A truthful witness saves lives, but a false witness is deceitful. | Pitts Report

  27. Pingback: Racism, Corruption, Fraud, Money, Greed and The Most Complete Explanation Of the Zimmerman Fiasco Yet | Grumpy Opinions

  28. Pingback: How Soon Will This Madness Stop? And How Much of a Damn Should I Give? : The Other McCain

Comments are closed.