While Karoline Leavitt continues her maternity leave, Vice-President JD Vance will take another turn at the podium for a White House briefing on the first day of President Trump’s return from the G7 in France.
The majority of the questions are likely to surround the topic of an agreement with Iran that halts U.S. military hostilities. The current political government of Israel and those who support it are very upset. The anticipated start time is 11:00am.
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LOL. Karoline’s heels are un-fillable….. 🙂
Vance is extremely well spoken and will probably have done his homework in order to handle this with ease.
Yes, indeed. I fully expect a JD/Marco ticket in ’28.
Marco has been in the background and quiet of late, theory?
Focusing on Cuba is my thinking
A definite maybe, or is it Iran policy; Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit is comparing the Iran deal to the Peace of Amiens II. I don’t think it’s of long duration, the Iranian Islamics are not to be trusted, but I trust the President to know what he’s doing. We’ll see.
He was with the President at the G7, what else would you like him to do. He was standing right behind him the whole time.
Vance was in charge of Team Trump Iran negotiations so Rubio is to stand down and not take center stage. This MOU is first on PT’s agenda which means JD is in the lead.
He looked so miserable yesterday.
Thrilled that Vance is taking the lead on this one, I reckon.
Rumor is Rubio and Hegseth do not beleive this will work.
Both voiced their objections and were over ruled.
I have my doubts too.
I don’t! Iran is not my problem anymore than Ukraine is my problem. We should have stayed out of it after we blew-up Iran’s nuclear material and buried it under a mountain of granite rubble. That was more than enough to pay whatever debt we owed to have President Trump win in 2024. I totally “get” that the debt had to be paid and it was.
Did you listen to the press conference?
Ultimately, it won’t work, but, it does get the US and the world out of the hot seat for now.
We only had a month of the gas reserves to use to keep gas reasonable in the US. Then, a hard stop. Also, other knock on impacts were going to get out of hand during summer vacations and midterms. This gives everybody a breather. US MIC needs to get a handle on drone defense for aircraft carriers.
There simply were not enough supplies of munitions to out wait the Iranians at this time. Other countries are facing famines and lack of energy, we just pay more.
Marco’s financial and political backer is the billionaire Braman Family in Miami which owns BMW, Mercedes Benz and Cadillac dealerships in South Florida. They are very Pro-Israel. Marco is smart to lay-low until the dust settles with the Iran problem.
God, here we go………….
Just a strategic guess, let JD and President Trump take all the arrows in an effort to improve his chances to win the GOP primary?
Kamala is extremely inarticulate and would probably have not done her homework and so would have messed this up as she normally did everything.
Her talents lie elsewhere.
“lie” elsewhere inadvertent or deliberate pun?
It is interesting that the two definitions of lie both apply.
well, she is a fully trained ‘lying liar that lies’ , so ….
Three, if you count lying on her back for personal promotion and political favors.
Those too.
<Karoline’s heels are un-fillable>
That’s because she makes the press toe the line.
An appropriate reminder 😄
The current political government of Israel and those who support it are very upset
Lots of people dont think its great,or accomplishes the objectives set out when the war started–not just the JOOS!
But let the recriminations begin, first up, jd.
Unless your measure of success is how much it hurts the Jews as the single defining criterion, it’s a serious loss of reputation.
What did the U.S. gained from it other than an obvious humiliation?
DUH
I noticed this, also. That is inaccurate. The OPPOSITION to the “current political government in Israel” is very upset, and attacking Netanyahu while he restrains himself from criticizing the agreement. Netanyahu trusts Trump as we do but his priority, understandably, is Israel First and not America First. The deal is America First. It handcuff’s Israel’s ability to proactively defend itself against Iran and its proxies without having given Israel the standing to asserts the terms it earned on the battlefield.
In a way, this is like the agreements the US forced on Israel in ’67 and ’73 after Israel kicked the piss out of the neighbors who tried to destroy it. The support of the US leveraged into Israel accepting an agreement that it knew would only kick the can downfield.
I altogether trust Trump, but I don’t trust anyone else, Republican or Democrat, to deal with this nihilistic fanatic regime. Netanyahu knows how to deal with them and that is why the media hates him. You cannot be a strong alpha-Jew in a world of resentment and envy of devolved and failed societies who can trade on ancient hatreds to distract, just as the Soros-ilk do here.
The deal betrays the Iranian people as well. So I’m just waiting to see what Trump will do when it becomes patently obvious that Iran has been tapping along the same terror-export policy and ballistic missile expansiveness that got us here. Maybe Trump is waiting until after the mid-terms.
That is only part of it. We were facing a hard stop on US gas reserves, which would have unbounded the price caps on gasoline right before summer vacations and midterms. The follow on to that is increased food prices as well. But, the other part is the lack of adequate military response to drones. We do not have an effective (and cheap enough) deterrent to their attacks that will allow the aircraft carriers to enter the strait of Hormuz and take over. There was no path to a decisive take over of the strait at this time. There may be later.
We may see president JD Vance when there’s less than 2 years remaining on Trump’s term. If GOP holds the house and senate, Rubio nominated and confirmed for VP.
Do you really think Trump is done with the things he wants to accomplish? His agenda is full through 2028.
Of course not. I think Trump is training, proving and grooming JD and MR as next in line. It’s going to take a lot longer than 2028 to fix the mess and clean out the rot.
so you’re saying the GOP will get rid of President Trump?
Just thinking about a planned handoff and Trump’s retirement. With JD/MR at the helm, DJT and Lady M get a couple years of peace and quiet – potentially 10 if JD and MR can hold the fort.
I was actually thinking about this scenario now that President Trump has turned 80.
Pres. Trump still has his act together, but I wouldn’t blame him if he retires on his 81st birthday.
Vance becomes VP and would have potentially 9+ years. I think Rubio remains at State so VP is ???
And Vance as POTUS before 2028 could ward off any Bolshevk tactics against Trump and his family.
No to JD. Too much funding from techno-nut Palantir – Thiel
Marco for Pres – Yes, would trust him with the job from what
he has demonstrated.
Both JD and MR have problematic funding/backers. Trump does too. That’s why Israeli’ intel was able to persuade him to start this war for Hormuz.
Distinct possibility.
GOPe would love to get on board with impeachment.
Just. STOP.
There is no way President Trump would step down and let JD take over as president.
I truly doubt he will endorse JD for president.
Why would President Trump have picked JD for Vice President if he doesn’t want to endorse him in 2028?
Makes no sense! 😎
Survival.
(political, to be clear)
pressure from don, jr – less trustworthy than Eric
Will the lower price of eggs and gas etc come up?
s/
So Never Trumpers are Never Trumpers again? Go figure.
Nevertrumpers never stopped being nevertrumps. They made a vow. Not all who disagreed with President Trump took the nevertrump oath, though.
heh. i think the only reason the scumbags like levin and graham and powerline blog people joined with trump was because he veered far into the neocon’s lane.
Early in JDs career he was a nevertrumper and what he said about PDJT can easily be found and I believe he still is.
Just like Tuck Tuck under deposition said he hated PDJT and some of us growing up with the “ if you didn’t mean it you wouldn’t say it”
believe as you want, hold fast to those beliefs, may they comfort you in your darkest sunny days
I agree with you.
Hiring Tucker’s son as his deputy press secretary was also interesting.
Tucker is Muslim loving anti=semite.
We will not be voting for JD. – too many bad associations ….
Tucker is not a Muslim loving Antisemite. Where would anybody get that ridiculous idea?
JDs was a nevertrumper , now he agrees with Trump policies.
You have a good memory. memory foam mattress?
Who is Tuck Tuck?
I’ve got one thought about Vice President Vance’s selling the MOU: Would you buy a used car from him?
For those not sure of the effectiveness of this deal another question: Aren’t Marines taught when bypassing downed enemies you put two bullets into that down enemy so he/she doesn’t come up from behind to kill you? Also, wasn’t Vance a former Marine, and if so, does he not know this teaching and how it might relate to Iran?
Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.
vance has played a good VP and been loyal and tried to support his president… but ironically, even though he was late to the maga party, he has embraced the “end the stupid wars” mantra a lot more than others in the admin. you can tell his heart is not in it, and he realizes the deep strategic blunder that has occurred.
You are only looking at the score of the third quarter of the ‘football game’ and thinking that Iran is tied with the US. Trump plays the entire game and he’s one of the best quarterbacks we’ve ever had and finishes strong.
Shifting from metaphor to current status-
Iran’s navy is at the bottom of the sea.
They have little to no air defense.
Their air force is gone.
The (vast) majority of their missiles have been used up.
And he put a strangle hold on their shipping through the strait which was primarily how their oil was exported, thusly cutting off most of their income and choking their capacity to store anymore oil (absolutely brilliant).
By the US stopping Iran’s oil exports through the strait; Iran lost their leverage in closing it and had to agree to allow unimpeded international shipping again.
Iran now has more than a memorandum of understanding; it understands that they can no longer screw around because Trump ‘has them by the strait’, not the other way around.
And Trump now has (most) all the other oil producing countries in the Middle East in support of the US and against Iran.
Trump, his advisors and our great men and women of our armed forces did this all in a matter of months, NOT YEARS and without putting ‘boots on the ground’.
Sadly, numbers of our a service members were killed and will be forever missed by their families and friends. Thank you to our fallen and their families for their ultimate sacrifice.
Unfortunately there are always casualties in war, but the world will be safer because of Trump’s actions. This should have been done decades ago, but I dare say the casualties would have been much higher under any other President and the end result would not be as good.
As things are, Iran has more than just a Memorandum of Understanding, they now understand they can no longer mess around with the Middle East.
We’re going into the fourth quarter now and Trump will finish strong!
I’ve seen many a game where the 4th quarter wins a game!!
You are correct, an the people decrying the current situation have not listened to the entire press conference. It’s frustrating to see these declaration of doom missives here. They need to actually sit through and listen to the lengthy press conference before penning these comments.
Try actually listening to the entire press conference. This was not in any way a ‘strategic blunder’.
Pray tell which strategic blunder? That’s of course if you can discern the difference between the tactical, operational and strategic. I guess the Obiden pull-out of Afghanistan was one such strategic triumph, and the ring-fencing of Iran by nations who’d previously been neutral or sympathetic to her, but now are antipathetic, is a monumental failure.
I guess you really don’t have a clue about the nature of totalitarian governments, or those that try to mimic their darkest instincts, which is odd given you’re a member/supporter/paid troll of just such a party. Any perceived weakness is fatal and, because of the inter-connected Jenga tower of lies and illusion, each block has to be defended lest the entire edifice collapse.
Because of the MOU we can do what you describe.
When President Trump says he’s going to blow them out of the water if they mess up, he’s sincere. How many times does he need to say “they will be bombed”.
He’s watching their every move.
“How many times does he need to say “they will be bombed”.”
I was wondering this exact thing two or three weeks ago… then I just stopped paying attention…
Selling the MOU?
Are you kidding. Go to my down thread detailed comment on what an MOU is. Many here obviously don’t know.
Welcome to the funnel of negotiating–we begin here, pick up some motion and hopefully end up there, running around in circles while gravity works its magic. For example: The check is in the mail, my wife doesn’t understand me, and I’ll only put the tip in (negotiations no?). Public relations is selling…that I understand. What was the purpose of this Vice Presidential press briefing if not to inform the public that the Trump team has everything under control regarding Iran’s nuke desires, Hormuz straight, oil transfers, etc., plus if there are problems, no problem cause we are on top of it!
What was the purpose?
To clearing state it was a Memorandum of Understanding and It was NOT the Final Deal.
To give some sage advise to Israel’s cabinet members who are criticizing PTJD (last 3 mins of vid).
Vance didn’t “sell” the MOU to anybody especially President Trump. The war was a debacle and needed to end. President Trump was smart enough to take the deal, declare victory and leave!
VP Vance’s experience dealing with/in hostel environments: great answer VP, he went on The View. Now he and ‘Joy’ are great friends.. 🤣
Joy……if EVER a woman was given the wrong name…
Agree. V P Vance is quick with comebacks.
I don’t trust him. Sue me. First warning was the bio blurb…I thought it was about Barky. Similar power trajectory too, warning two.
He is the Republican version of Obama. His background tailor made to appeal to conservatives yet has no real history. He is intertwined with Qatar Carlson and Vivek Ramaswamy. It appears all his recent public speeches are attempts to show he has Presidential material, but besides the fact he is Trump’s VP he has nothing that says President about him. People are too easily led, they think because he is Trump’s VP that automatically makes him Presidential, that’s lazy thinking IMO. VPs have made horrible Presidents and using the Trump VP belief why didn’t everyone get behind Pence? Because Pence turned out to be another RINO. I believe Vance would sell American workers down the river by expanding the H1-b visa program.
It is two years before 2028 and all the blowhards and talking heads are pushing Vance, what’s to say a better MAGA candidate emerges? Not sold on Vance, just my opinion.
“He is the Republican version of Obama. His background tailor made to appeal to conservatives yet has no real history.”
definitely agreed. but then again, rubio is a neocon through and through, and everyone seems to think he magically converted, as well.
.wander why Marco…is not “visible” to normalize relationship with VVP’s Russia… but still visit those clowns in the EU…????
because the iran spectacle is a complete s-show, the russia thing is still going sideways, and he continues pushing for them both.
Both the Iran and Ukraine sh!tshows need to end ASAP and President Trump is smart enough to end them!
Not Narco Marco. Gang of eight etc…
Not “magically” and def. not “converted.” Although, we cannot say the same for Mr JD “I’m a catholic now, no really!” Vance.
I appreciate growth in a man. Real growth doesn’t come easily. But I think Mr. Rubio has undergone some authentic maturity. He’s been through the foundary and PDJT has certainly put him through his paces.
Iron sharpens iron, after all.
My opinion is of no value… I used to love VP Cheney and dreamed of him as President! 😬
Who are talking about?
I am someone whose judgement about some (Rubio for example) has been faulty, but only after such a person has been time and actual experience tested…and even then. So far Vance has been neither. Nearly two years is not enough.
I am neither “for” nor “against” Vance….at this point. But I am wary and willing to listen to or read the pros and cons about him.
And to watch him very carefully.
Well prepared? Yes.
Slick? Too much by half my small inner voice is telling me. That, plus Sundance’s past in-depth threads on him and his tech bro supporters. And others of his close acquaintance whom he will not criticize, even though honest criticism is due but avoided. See Tucker Carlson.
Not alarm bells as such, just a tiny one, as on my phone letting me know someone has sent me a message….if I’m not being too obtuse here 😎
But like Sundance (perhaps not with Vance though remembering what he has previously wriitten, maybe so) I, too, have a “Suspicious Cat” whose eyes are narrowing a little more every day.
Listening to not only what he says and how he says it, but more specifically what he deftly manages to avoid addressing. The latter more telling in every way.
Raw, involuntary thoughts on my part.
(Second ☕ much needed.)
I’ve been of the opinion that when PDJT ran on 2020, Tulsi G should have been on the ticket. IOW kick Pence to the curb
Nice hindsite.
I’m pro Rubio. For whatever it’s worth, I sense that Vance has an evil quality. I’ve tried to shake off this impression but it has continued to grow. I won’t elaborate. I suspect that the reason for this will be disclosed soon and unfortunately many people will be surprised and disappointed. Time will tell whether or not I’m off base with this….
Sundance has pointed out many times that Rubio has a zipper problem. We shall see how they spin it and if he can recover.
Wow, I wasn’t aware of that.
can you point to that or pull it up for me. I have never read that……….
A reporter asked VP Vance a snarky question about the MOU…
And in a classic answer, he replied with a song:
‘Why, because we like you…
MOU…SE’ 🙂
I would have preferred him to beak into pappa-oo-mou-mou.
Or, if you prefer. He could even have started dancin’
Why, oh, why didn’t my president wait until after the midterms to launch an attack on Iran? Remember that Biden never recovered from his disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Could this be my president’s Afghanistan? Marco Rubio’s silence bothers me. I am withholding final judgment, but I am feeling very nervous.
My gut is that Rubio wanted a stronger MOU and Vance wanted this one. Thus, Vance has been put out as the face of the MOU. That’s just my take from 3000 miles away for the inner circle.
so, the buck does not stop with trump?
this is the worst foreign policy blunder of the 21st century. there is only one man who is responsible for it.
LOL
Far from the worst..
Wrong.
The worst foreign policy blunder was Obama thinking he could appease the mullahs by sending them pallets of cash.
what would you say this MOU is doing, by contrast?
What part 0f it’s THEIR MONEY !!!! Don’t people get? GAWD.
Vance explained that in detail – they could not be more different. Did you even listen to the press conference?
he is toooo shy to answer it…
Obummer had to keep Val Jar happy.
Yep
It wasn’t a blunder. It was intentional. Muslim Brotherhood supporter. Traitor to US
No, that hyperbolic award is shared by Obama and Biden, though given they were one and the same Obama claims the title. He made LBJ seem competent.
I guess you’re trying out the MSM/Dem narrative to see if it flies, if it doesn’t there’s always Epstein to fall back on! Good luck for the Mid-terms, with your growing scandals metastasising, covert financing strangled and LARPing Nazi thugs of Antifa exposed and OMB shooting your economic doom and gloom fox.
Worse, far worse is to come and it will be interesting to see when your cultic hordes realise that they’re not going to get their early Christmas present of an impeachment that they were promised, just some…well, you do know what that white, male, heteronormative symbol of Christian oppression and intolerance gives to naughty boys, girls and confused thems.
“…worst foreign policy blunder of the 21st century.”
Ridiculous, hysterical statement. This isn’t a peace treaty. President Trump is well aware that Muslims can’t be trusted to honor deals, and he knows they will break this one. But there are political realities in this country that have to be addressed right now, and that requires that this Iran conflict be temporarily put to rest.
yeah, i mean STARTING the war, not what has come after.
The Iranian people asked for our help!
LOL
Honorable Pompeo and his buddies in the MODASS been behind color revolution in the Tehran early this year and it fizzled…..I think they should ask for help cookie monster Victoria Nudelman/Nuland …..she did handle soo good Maidan in the glorious Kyiv in the Feb.2014.. …Katy
I think it is brilliant. Be patience. And remember I said so.
Yes you’ve made that clear.
Totally agree! That said President Trump needs to get back to the basics that win elections…
A: No wars
B: $55 Oil
C: $1.69 Gasoline
D: 1.5% Inflation
E: 2.5% Mortgages
F: 1.9% Car loans
G: Cut federal deficit
H: End Ukraine war
LORD LET IT BE SO!
..End of FED…rid off all illegals…restore CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC…and…..
You are completely in bed with the msm aren’t you. Every word you’re uttering re this MOU is straight from the anti Trump left wing msm mouth pieces. Maybe hold up and wait a bit and see what this really turns out to be. You might get a surprise as to how wrong you could be. Either way, there is a reason Trump and company are handling this the way they currently are.
Why are you continued to be allowed post such BS here?
Many here do not understand what an MOU is. My down thread comment gives detailed description of an MOU. It is a legal document, and as written it confirms to such. You and many here are mistaking a MOU for a DEAl. It IS NOT a deal.
Let’s hope the MOU ends the Iranian Adventure for once and forever! President Trump isn’t going to revisit the Straits of Hormuz and $120 oil ever again!
Some people refuse to comprehend the information they need to understand what’s going down. But keep trying because some of them will catch on. Biggest need we have right now is to let this play out and that there is a reason this issue was handled this way by the Trump team.
Exactly. “play out” is the optimum phrase. I have every confidence this will work in spite of the IRGC continuing to throw out roadblocks. They are no different than our deep state/Dems/RINOs.
My guess is that Iran would have had a nuclear weapon.
Someone crying about it for..35 yrs…
the perpetual “they almost have a nuke” is trumps WMD, and we all know it.
what followed was such a debacle that iran now emerges as a major player in the ME, and our presence and influence there will wane quickly.
You’re soft… “emerges as a major player”? Where’ve you been for 40 years?
Are you from the DNC? Your comments reek of a troll.
lol. i’d be more than happy to discuss deeper with anyone who is interested in honest debate.
otherwise, your comments reek of thin skin and a lack of critical thinking skills.
honest debate? We are having it here and you are being destroyed as usual.
..and MB telling what is gAT is obvious for people who know what happen on the “ground ” in the WEST ASIA since 02/28…..
…telling what’s obvious for the people who knows……
“We all know it.” No we all don’t.
I agree. I would have straightened out Cuba.
Then, go after Iran.
did you miss chinesse commies ??? or they are on your menu after another adventure in the Cuba..tell us…
Cuba doesn’t bother me in the least. In fact, I haven’t heard anything about Cuba in 30 years!
Because they were too close to having the bomb?
…grasshopper..since 1979 ???…or after arrival BB to governmental body around 1995 ???….
how? all that nuclear dust was buried after the first round of “perfect” strikes we did. they are still openly saying that now that round 2 is over.
Timing is everything. Israel had a chance to take out 40 top Iranians. They did it and the ball started rolling from there. I think what VPJD said at the end of this presser is worth a listen. (People in Israel bitching about PDJT should wake up and smell reality).
People in Israel should have been bitching at the Jewish executives at Bloomberg, New York Times, ABC-Disney, CNN and CNBC for screaming the Iran was winning and the United States is being humilated every day during the conflict! 😎
calm down and take walk on wild side in the forestry…only warmongers will cry about MOU…….
Listen to this 2min video:
“Media portrays the Iran deal as Trump’s loss, but the real target was Iran’s ‘terror premium’ on oil and its Strait of Hormuz threats. Trump aimed to dismantle this empire business model, not just regime change.”
https://youtube.com/shorts/baGQrTebMoc?is=-78Z5pQoCZVatcEy
I am at ease with where things are; the MOU is just that… the final agreement will take time.
I replied above, but after you had posted here.
The most strategic thing the US did toward the end was to close the straight to tankers trying to come out loaded with Iranian oil.
It was devastating to Iran whose oil exports primarily move through the strait.
Iran would ‘choke’ on their own oil as they ran out of storage capacity and starve them for lack of revenue. I haven’t heard anyone extol the blockade as one of the most brilliant moves in wartime history, but IMO, it certainly is one of them.
Iran now knows that the US has Iran ‘by the straight’ and not the other way around.
Be at ease; it will work out in favor of a safer world.
President Trump put Our Vice President in charge with the negotiations bc Iran didn’t want to deal with the Witkoff-Jared team, maybe because they are Jews?? As Team Lead, Vance takes the lead in the news and SoS Rubio would absolutely stand down, and if he didn’t know he should stand down, PT would have told him as it would be a HUGE misstep for him to push to the front, on any agenda, this one or any other, bc this is FIRST UP this week on Trump’s trip & agenda.
Vance is a PR prop.
The MOU as it stands is a total defeat for Israel and the US. The reason Trump signed the deal while excluding the party that started the war was stated in his press conference at Versailles last night.
“We run out of reserves at about four weeks. You know, there are reserves all over the world, and we would really run out, and there’ll be a time when you wouldn’t be able to get it.”
So oil is flowing out of the gulf again, but it’ll take a couple of weeks to get to Asia and about 4 weeks to get the US. Wait till that happens. A short squeeze is in play on the paper price of oil.
You know appear to know what an MOU is. I have detailed it in my down thread comment. It is a legal document.
I think a MOU is a set of topics that are up for discussion during negotiations. The negotiations around those topics in the MOU is what leads to an “agreement”. The oil reserve wall is real. I’m glad Trump verbalized the wall we were hurtling towards at full speed. In my opinion, I think we hit the wall because we waited to long to hit the brakes of diplomatic negotiations. The negotiations determine whether we walk away with a fender bender or a catastrophic crash.
Well stated, the MOU being a set of topics for discussion during negotiations. You get it.
I’m not that up to date on the oil reserve wall scenario. Whose reserves are a problem? Biden drained US reserves, but we are now #1 in oil. Iran has run out of storage space, supposedly. Honestly, I think Team Trump negotiators did well to even get an MOU at in 100 days considering we kept eliminating leaders.
Were Trump to have decimated Iran before a signed agreement by Iran there would have been a hue and cry about kowtowing to Israel…no favor to Israel and likely to bring down the globalist propaganda.
When (99.9% not an ‘if’) Iran violates the agreement Trump will be perfectly within his rights, on behalf of the U.S., to complete the job.
Dana Loesch has been offering different theories, among them that the tension between Bibi Netanyahu and Trump is to serve the above purpose.
Nobody in their right mind thinks Israel is not justified in continued actions against Iran, as there is no indication that they have modified their stated mission to decimate Israel .
Bang.
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/2067643489584603332
Battered Republican syndrome is alive and well in the comments section, I see.
So true!
Yes
We are living our best life and happy.
Gas is going down.
Diesel is going own which means goods at the stores will go down.
Be happy enjoy your freedom and capitalism.
It’s actually ignorance of what a Memorandum of Understanding actually is. In my down thread comment I detail what a legal MOU is. IT IS NOT A DEAL. A final DEAL is totally different than a MOU. Most people don’t understand the difference. MOU is a legal document, just like the final “deal” or whatever they call it, which might be agreement, settlement or something of that nature, treaty?? I don’t know what the “deal” will be called…
Absolutely… they seem to know soooo much :):)
There seem to be some folks (or bots) from the DNC here too. Very annoying.
As long as President Trump is in Office, the deal makes sense. Once he leaves Office, no matter who follows him into the WH, all bets are off.
That is precisely what President Trump tried to explain yesterday to the hyenas in the media.
The only thing on earth that will prevent Iran from violating the agreement is a STRONG PRESIDENT.
That’s it. A weak future president ensures that everything President Trump accomplished is erased.
A strong future president ensures that President Trump’s successes remain.
The Corrupt Corporate Media is counting on a weak future president to screw everything up so that they can blame President Trump.
That’s why the liars in the media keep harping on “the future,” as if either President Trump or VP Vance was the reincarnation of The Amazing Kreskin.
The UniParty is behaving in the same shameful manner.
They are all thoroughly corrupt.
I will not vote for JD.
I see on sundance twitter feed that JD comments on AI and surveillance being bad. That from a guy that was created out of thin air (like Obama was) by Tech Bros. LOL. JD will do whatever his puppet-masters tell him to do. Not believable.
I don’t even know why I can’t watch him speak. I just skip anything about him visual. And I mostly skip everything he writes. He cringes me. On the other hand, I watch every single speech that Trump gives and every single thing he writes.
“I don’t even know why I can’t watch him speak.”
The facts hurt.
No he just seems phony. It’s not the facts it’s just I don’t have any interest in him. But like Betsy said maybe im wrong have to wait and see.
Anti-Vance, Anti-Rubio… Anti-Trump MOU. I swear, this used to be a great site until the Bots and Huffpo workers showed up.
It’s OK to think differently, but there is a single streak through many of these, and it seems to be the new CTH commenters.
I agree… Used to comment here a lot but not so much anymore
Same here. The comments have become unreadable in many cases. You can see it by the reduced number of comments in the Presidential thread lately.
Yes, very different.
I try to just ignore them. Can’t always. But engaging with them violates the first rule: never argue with an idiot.
47 didn’t start a war with Iran. He ENDED the war that Iran has been waging against America for the past 47 years, and in the process created a pathway for Iran to join the rest of the world with infrastructure intact. They still have bridges and oil wells and Kharg Island.
Hear, hear!
Flaw 1: The enforcement mechanism self-destructs.
The only stated backstop is “go back to bombing.” But every immediate benefit given to Iran, including oil cash, unfrozen assets, and a lifted blockade, increases Iran’s ability to absorb or deter a renewed strike. It also erodes US leverage with each passing day.
The deal funds the very party it’s supposed to restrain. The 60-day clock, extendable by mutual consent, favors the side getting the front-loaded benefits and wanting to run out the clock.
Leverage decays while Iran’s position strengthens. That’s not enforcement.
Flaw 2: The real terms are reportedly off paper.
U.S. officials are calling the text “vague” and a “political document” that doesn’t reflect “back-channel commitments.”
They can’t have it both ways. They can’t say the document is binding and good while admitting the substance isn’t in it.
If the written instrument is weak and the real commitments are unwritten, unverifiable, and off paper, then the entire defense rests on trust. And this is the same counterparty they claim must be kept in line by the threat of another strike.
That’s internally contradictory.
Flaw 3: The U.S. obligated itself on a front it doesn’t control.
The MOU covers “all fronts, including Lebanon.” But Israel rejects being bound, continues operating against Hezbollah, and reportedly refused Vance’s request to scale back.
So the U.S. assumed an obligation it can’t deliver. That gives Iran a ready-made breach claim for actions Washington doesn’t command.
Either they overpromised or the clause is hollow. Either way, it’s a defect.
I must be one of these bots…
I had your Flaw 2 used as an argument to my concern over the nuclear clause. “Trump will never let them keep the uranium.” Well, he said it’s his deal, he signed it, and it includes this clause:
The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in Paragraph 7 with the minimum methodology to be downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA. The two parties also agreed to discuss the issue of enrichment and other mutually agreed matters related to the Islamic Republic of Iran’s nuclear needs, based on a satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal. The final deal will confirm the provisions of this paragraph. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran acknowledge the critical importance of the nuclear issues above mentioned and express their intention to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.
Trump can’t exactly bomb them for picking the option they baked into the MOU.
And (next part of MOU) they have 60 days during their nuclear “status quo” to set up what’s needed to do whatever is needed to hide some enriched uranium (likely already done) or set up what’s needed in secret to re-enrich this downblended uranium back to weapons level (not hard apparently).
I think it’s possible they move the clandestine facilities out of Iran itself via proxies. IRGC has lied in every agreement for the past 47 years.
The only stated backstop is “go back to bombing.” But every immediate benefit given to Iran, including oil cash, unfrozen assets, and a lifted blockade, increases Iran’s ability to absorb or deter a renewed strike.
I think that depends what is bombed, don’t you? As you may know, the big problem for building new “AI factories” with their companion electric generation plants is there is a 5 year wait-list for electric generators.
Iran could not come back if their power generation plants, desalination plants, bridges, railroads, oil refineries and oil pumping infrastructure were taken out.
But they weren’t. Trump refused to take out their power gen plants, desalination plants, bridges, railroads, refineries, and oil pumping infrastructure.
Instead, he cut his loses and… well, ran.
The recurring pattern of behavior is prima facie evident. Trump doesn’t follow through on anything that costs him. Wars, alliances, mass deportations, prosecutions as part of accountability for the 2020 election scam or weaponization, and declassified releases — all are dropped the second they become inconvenient or face pushback.
He essentially A/B tests various issues with the single purpose of generating emotional outrage and using it for some kind of scam that benefits his inner circle or strokes his ego. If there is a serious pushback that is more structural and not just social-media mud-wrestling, he backs away.
He left the poor Persians in the lurch because he didn’t destroy and bomb all the infrastructure…Otherwise, I agree with the broken promises.
Agree!
Yep. Is there a way to mute them here? They have completely taken over the comment sections at the WSJ.
Less of an Echo chamber?
Seems the 60-day window creates a bit of a problem with regard to the November elections. If Trump hammers Iran in, say August, the damage to the Market/economy will be substantial. Politically, Trump will never recover in time for the elections.
I believe that was/is part of the IRGC strategy in first delaying this getting done and now having the 60 day period.
It is doubtful, IMO, that we see any fast movement on any of the pieces of the MOU.
I don’t think the words exist to explain this complete capitulation! JD needs to figure out how to keep the stink of it from sticking to him or Rubio will be the 2028 nominee.
There exist words with which I would like to reply, but I enjoy posting here from time to time.
My Lord, the hysteria is contagious around here today. “Complete capitulation!” lol. Get a grip.
The gene pool here has been diluted recently🙄
You obviously don’t know the definition of capitulation or haven’t read the MOU.
You obviously don’t understand that an MOU is not a peace treaty. And you obviously don’t understand President Trump or the nature of our conflict with Iran or the dynamics of domestic politics. “Complete capitulation” is possibly the most misleading and idiotic statement made on this page today, and there have been many idiotic statements.
..cries of warmongers,neocons and now MAGAcons…..take walk on wild side…
Words have meaning. Pay attention to the words, especially the words in Farsi.
For all the Israel-Firsters out there… and you know who you are… a consolation prize, if you will… actually, two consolation prizes… ENJOY!!!
Consolation Prize #1: Section 219 of the FY 2027 National Defense Authorization Act
You say you love yourself some Military Industrial Complex??? Well, you’re gonna LLLOOVVVVVE this!!!!
https://www.military.com/2027-ndaa-provision-seeks-sweeping-us-israel-defense-tech-integration
“Section 224 [renumbered 219] of the drafted National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), the “United States-Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative,” would require the defense secretary to designate an executive agent to coordinate U.S.-Israel defense technology research, development, testing, evaluation, integration and industrial cooperation. It specifically describes the provision as covering bilateral defense technology work, integration and industrial cooperation.
Supporters view the proposal as a way to strengthen cooperation between two longtime security partners while critics argue it would move the relationship beyond traditional military aid and into a far deeper system of defense-industrial integration that would be harder for Congress, taxpayers, and even future administrations, to monitor or unwind.”
[Related article, same site…]
“Critics argue that Section 219 would place Israel in a category of its own among U.S. allies.
While the United States maintains extensive military relationships with countries including the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea and Australia, opponents say that Congress has not created a comparable statutory framework requiring such broad and permanent defense integration with any of those nations.”
I know, I know, I know… Israel is a “very special ally”… got it… thanks for the reminder…
Consolation Prize #2: Section 622 of the FY 2027 Senate Intelligence Committee’s Intelligence Authorization Act
You say you love yourself some Five Eyes Intelligence Alliance??? Well, you’re gonna LLLOOVVVVVE this!!!!
How ’bout we crank that ol’ alliance up to SIX EYES!!!!! WHO’S WITH ME?!?!?!?!
https://www.military.com/section-622-amendment-make-israel-intelligence-sharing-harder-to-reduce
“The legislation was advanced by the Senate Intelligence Committee helmed by Rep. Tom Cotton, (R-Ark.) [there’s that guy again!!!], the committee’s chair, and was eventually approved in May. The amendment directs the president, acting through the director of national intelligence and, when necessary, the secretary of defense, to “expand and enhance intelligence sharing” with Israel.
It identifies terrorism, cybersecurity threats, sanctions evasion, adversarial technology proliferation, missile threats, unmanned systems, air and space domain awareness, and other regional security concerns as subjects for expanded intelligence cooperation.
The amendment also limits when intelligence sharing can be reduced. Intelligence sharing with Israel “shall not be suspended, reduced, or otherwise materially limited” unless the President determines that a “specific and identifiable national security concern” justifies doing so.“
If you don’t understand the implications of this “special arrangement”, then you obviously haven’t been paying attention to a DAMN THING that Sundance has posted here over the past nine years. I suggest you hit the archive and read up… just a suggestion.
On the plus side, all of us “antisemites” out here will be tracked, monitored, tagged, and rounded up… eventually… so a big win for “your team”, I guess…
WOW,!!! What What the Vice President said beginning at about 45 minutes says it ALL about the “MOU” and our relationship with the WORLD, especially Israel, says it ALL. Based upon his words which anybody that’s well versed on the MIDDLE EAST/ISRAEL situation is 100% TRUTH! Without the USA, Israel would likely “CEASE TO EXIST”! IMHO, Bibi & Company have everything to LOSE if they don’t behave and IRAN as well!
VP Vance put it out there and I believe it to be true, just WOW! BIBI & the dual citizenship NEOCONS in our Congress better wake up an smell the onions!
This is nonsense, and is typical of Vance, who IMHO has a certain evil spiritual quality. If Israel ceased to exist that would make the entire Word of God, and every one of God’s promises, to Gentiles and Jews, lies. Just as it did not take an election to save our country (it took/is taking the intervention of God), it will not take America or President Trump to defend Israel (although they may have been given that assignment by God and will be blessed for their obedience to him). Back to Esther 4 as a past example: “14 For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance for the Jews will arise from another place, but you and your father’s family will perish. And who knows but that you have come to your royal position for such a time as this?”
Don’t confuse the modern State of Israel, founded in 1948 and a secular, democratic nation-state, with biblical Israel.
Absolutely. Completely different populations…the majority of Israeli occupants currently are from Russian and Polish descent. The biblical ties are long gone.
Have you forgotten Babylon? All the conquests? Punishment did not simply result in multiplying the diaspora. Do a close read…they will not recognize their fathers or even know who they are.
I’ve come across individuals who believe they are not Jewish. And yet I
knowbelieve that they are.And if “biblical ties are long gone” -then can anyone be a child of God?
God knows His children, every one. And only God knows.
In the 1800s, John Nelson Darby of England and C.I. Scofield of Michigan introduced the doctrine of dispensatioinalism, which included belief in Christian Zionism.
Up until that time, virtually all Christians believed and taught that God’s covenants with His people were ultimately promises to His Church, which became manifest through His Son, Jesus Christ.
Many of us still believe and teach according to this historic belief.
So I believe differently than you, Evie. But I don’t label your belief nonsense or evil.
I respect your point of view. I don’t have a background in the history of Christian theology, however that sounds very much like the “replacement theology” that I have heard about, wherein the Church (both Gentiles and believing Jews) has superseded the Jews so that now the covenants that God made specifically with physical Israel in the old testament have been transferred to the Church and no longer apply to the Jews who today are still mostly in unbelief.
That point of view was adopted by the deep state of centuries past and was the basis for many historical atrocities on the part of the “Church.” I won’t go into detail, but that position is totally incompatible with the biblical text. For those who consider the biblical text to be the Word of God, therefore, it’s a non-starter. Long ago, most people did not have access to the printed word and were unaware. IIRC Tyndale in England was executed by King James for providing the common people with printed bibles.
For the record, IMHO it’s more accurate to say that the Church has a better covenant, but it does not in any way affect the covenants that God made with physical Israel. Being redeemed and defended by God and inheriting the promised restored Greater Israel here on earth is absolutely dwarfed by being spiritually reborn and indwelled by the Holy Spirit, having a home in heaven and returning to earth to rule and reign with Jesus, etc. It reminds me of a line from one of my favorite movies, The Perfect Stranger, where Jesus says “You’re like a little girl that doesn’t want to go to Disney World because she’s having too much fun making mudpies by the curb. There is no adventure like being hooked up with the Creator of the universe.”
I’m voting for JD Vance for President in 2028.
MAGA doesn’t do ‘next in line’ for presidential candidates. That would be the GOPe.
Voting for who PDJT supports.
Vance and his book are hard for me to understand being a Christian all my life.
Can not hold how he was taught or not taught in his early years against him though.
MAGA
Love my President!
(Without identifying comment I was replying to when I posted this on an obscure thread, I am reposting it as I transcribed avery relevant part of this video in my response)
THERE IS NO DEAL. We have a USA-IRAN Memorandum of Understanding (“MOU”). Obviously, you (and others) are clueless what type of legal document an MOU it is, which makes your comment rather ignorant. (I expected better from you.) A MOU is a very, very basic documents between parties who are agreeing on basic terms and conditions made in good faith as a statement of intent in order to go forward/proceed in this instance with negotiations for a FINAL DEAL BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. An MOU can or might not be binding. The Iran-USA MOU is not binding in a court of law, but the breach of the Understanding by Iran conditions will revert back to the state of the war prior to the MOU, ie USA bombing Iran.
The IRAN-USA MOU ONLY states the conditions which must be met IN ORDER FOR A FINAL DEAL TO BE NEGOTIATED IN ~60 DAYS!
WE DO NOT HAVE A DEAL! Your entire comment is false. It is not based on the document President Trump executed at Versailles (and e-executed by other party).
The FINAL DEAL must be approved by the UN Security Counsel.
Your comment is an opinion based on a non-existence deal when a deal might not even be reached. We are in the MOU stage of negotiations. Your “news” is the caliber of our liberal fake news.
If Netanyahu agrees, he risks losing the next election…
On 6.10, ArmstrongEconomics wrote that 61% of Israelis are against Bibi. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/israel/61-of-israelis-against-netanyahu/
Bibi has his own major issues that have nothing to do with this MOU. It was President Trump who pled to the Knesset o/b/o Bibi.
Listen to VP Vance’s 6.18 WH presser from 43:00:
“So many of what I’ve read or heard is fundamentally untrue. It is a Memorandum of Understanding. It is fundamentally a principle that the straits of Hormuz will be opened immediately, and they already are. Yes, they are going to give up their highly enriched material, but they‘ve got to actually do it. It’s about conduct. It’s about rewarding good conduct and punishing bad conduct…When people come to understand not just the agreement, but our negotiating posture as a country, they will realize this is an excellent thing for the American people….
(media Q re: fake news Axios article, Lebanon issue, stating Bibi is furious, JD answers) Bibi has not reflected anger in convos w/him, but I will say, and it does bother me, that you will see some people in his cabinet …..have attacked the POTUS.
My message to them: Donald J Trump is the ONLY HEAD OF STATE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WHO IS SYMPATHETIC TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME ND HE HAPPENS TO BE THE HEAD OF STATE OF THE WORLD’S SUPERPOWER. If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli govt, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world.
Second message I’d give to those cabinet members,…, over the last 3 months, 2/3s of the defensive weapons that have protected your (Israel) homeland have been built by American hands and paid for by American tax dollars. THE PROBLEM FOR ISRAEL IS NOT DONALD J TRUMP AND ANYBODY IN ISRAEL WHO THINKS THEIR BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATE STATES NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT COUNTRY IS IN.
I agree. But I was surprised at how they let some things into the MOU. They keep saying Iran will “give up” its uranium. Iran has come out clearly since the MOU was signed and said the uranium will never leave Iran. And they have this IRGC friendly clause in the MOU to fall back on:
The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with the minimum methodology to be down blending on site under the supervision of the IAEA.
Iran will agree to that minimum. We can’t exactly bomb them for that since we spelled it out in the MOU as an acceptable option. Down blended uranium can easily be enriched back up again.
It will come down to enforcement. I can see that being well done while Trump is in office but, after that, who can say? There are many bad actors involved in things like “enforcement” and “oversight.”
It really feels like the main goal of the MOU was to get the Strait of Hormuz open and the rest became secondary. Trump supported that by saying at the G7 that global reserves were weeks from going dry if The Strait didn’t reopen. That was after saying there were no reserve issues previously. He sometimes doesn’t do himself any favors.
IRGC is still in control. A lot of the old regime dead but I’ll have to see it to believe that new bodies does much to change the ideology.
srs, You are reading opinion pieces, not the full FINAL TEXT of the US-IRAN Memorandum of Understanding. MOUs are short docs. This MOU has only 14 line items, which are simple, easy to understanding. Don’t ‘read into it’, like the media and critics are. It is plain speaking English, word for word. Read it as written and you will know what it is about (and not about).
We are in the MOU phase. Until there is a signed deal, there is no deal…not matter what anybody says or writes.
1. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MOU declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts including in Lebanon and other provisions of this paragraph.
2. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.
3. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran commit to negotiating and achieving the final deal in maximum 60 days extendable with mutual consent.
4. Immediately upon the signing of this MOU, the United States of America will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any disturbances or impediments against the Islamic Republic of Iran and will fully end the naval blockade within 30 days. During this period, the traffic of vessels will be in proportion to the numbers of prewar traffic being restored by the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America further undertakes to remove its forces from the proximity of the Islamic Republic of Iran within 30 days after the final deal.
5. Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start and, considering the needs for removing the technical and military obstacles and demining by the Islamic Republic of Iran, will be instated within 30 days. The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialogue with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz in discussion with other Persian Gulf littoral states in line with the applicable international law and the sovereign rights of coastal states of the Strait of Hormuz.
6. The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America.
7. The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the United Nations Security Counsel resolutions, IAEA Board of Governors resolutions and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, primary and secondary, in an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America acknowledge the critical importance of the sanctions termination issue above mentioned and express their intentions to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.
8. The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in Paragraph 7 with the minimum methodology to be downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA. The two parties also agreed to discuss the issue of enrichment and other mutually agreed matters related to the Islamic Republic of Iran’s nuclear needs, based on a satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal. The final deal will confirm the provisions of this paragraph. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran acknowledge the critical importance of the nuclear issues above mentioned and express their intention to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.
9. Pending the final deal, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree to maintain the status quo. The Islamic Republic will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program and the United States of America will not impose any new sanctions and will not deploy additional forces in the region.
10. The United States of America undertakes that immediately upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions the U.S. Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives and all associated services including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc.
11. The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the implementation of this MOU. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will mutually agree on the procedures related to the release of these funds during the negotiations. Such funds, whether retained in the original account or transferred shall be made fully usable for payment to any ultimate beneficiary designated by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations accordingly.
12. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree that an executive mechanism will be established to monitor the successful implementation of this MOU and the future compliance of the final deal.
13. After signing this MOU and subject to the beginning of the implementation of paragraphs 1, 4, 5, 10 and 11 of this MOU, and the continuing implementation of these measures, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will start negotiations regarding the final deal exclusively on the other paragraphs.
14. The final deal will be endorsed by binding UNSC resolution
It was the MOU I read. Point #8:
“with the minimum methodology to be downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA.”
Slightly different verbage, same thing.
Makes no sense to me that they’d put that in the MOU.
IMO, they (he lawyers) inserted that one VERY IMPORTANT sentence to be agreed upon by Iran in the MOU bc it eliminates that issue bogging down negotiating the final deal. It is very possible that he nuclear down can’t be “removed” intact/in full and they only option might be to just downblend it on site with IAEA,
If Iran would not agree to this protocol upfront in the MOU, then it would be a moot point to even execute an MOU. This is all about not having a nuke and not having any enriched nuclear dust. Had they not agree to this, PDJT would have continued with the bombing.
Another reason, by stipulating to this para #7 & signing the MOU, the world sees that Iran agreed, but if a FINAL DEAL is not executed, IN MY OPINION based on a PT comment, USA will carry this out aspect out with or without a FINAL DEAL and the countries i. the region will support him on it.
There are other ways to prevent Iran from having enriched uranium. Taking what they have for example.
Iran has, in past deals, done this down blending then secretly enriched it back up again. It’s just a matter of them doing it without detection, which they’ve also done before. Re-enriching it is not a long or complicated process. They just have to be able to do it undetected.
Ironically, Iran greatly accelerated enrichment after Trump withdrew from the JCPOA deal. Not that it really matters except for timing because the JCPOA was a bad deal that let Iran eventually enrich to weapons grade.
That’s why that option is in the MOU. They will agree to that. Iran was able to put their preferred option into to MOU so Trump has no leverage into demanding anything more.
It probably was a sticking point. But it’s a key point to them never having a nuclear weapon. It puts all the burden on enforcement and knowing everything Iran is doing. Which have both failed before and which are both unlikely to have Trump level strength once he leaves office.
Thanks for the info on down blending, which I know nothing about. It’s a stickly situation that’s for sure. No real good solution.
srs,
This might help to understand the process and why what you read is different than what I read. I’ll show by example.
In the legal profession, in mega law firms, a partner assigns a “baby” associate to draft a brief to be filed with the court. The associate will draft version 1 with a footer indicating v1. As v1 is edited, it becomes v2, v3, etc. until the partner does the final review/edits and the FINAL VERSION is filed with the court. The unfiled versions are DRAFTs are DIFFERENT in major/minor ways from the FILED/FINAL version.
My above posted MOU signed by PDJT is the FINAL MOU and anything you read containing “give up” or other verbiage is bc you are reading draft, leaked version in Axios, Bloomberg or other fake news outlets. NO ONE HAD THE FINAL VERSION UNTIL PT SIGED IT AND AUTHORIZED THE READING OF IT IN FULL & AND AUTHORIZED THE RELEASE OF THE WRITTEN TEXT.
That’s the legal process.
I will not waste my time reading anything but an executed (signed by all parties)version of an MOU or the FINAL DEAL, which is due in 60 days. Don’t waste your time! The version of the deal will go through many, many versions by both parties (US & Iran).
Re: the stockpile of the enriched material…one has to realize that there are leaders and then there is the IRCG leaders. Think of the IRGC leaders like our deep state/Dems/RINOs….IRCG will fight against giving up the nuclear dust, but PT said it would be resolved whether or not they “agree” to it. The dilemma becomes the political leaders could agree to give it up but IRGC fights it. They have no army, Air Force, Navy, most missiles, drones are demolished so my bet is on Trump on this issue.
The Final Deal (or whatever they call it…agreement, settlement, treaty…) will not happen for at least 60 days extended by mutual consent of the parties, bc that is so designated in line item #3 of the MOU I posted.
So I won’t waste my time reading ANYTHING else on this until the FINAL DEAL is posted.
(sorry this is so long…)
Thank you for posting this. Very helpful.
I think J.D. Vance made a persuasive case that this MOU establishes just that, an understanding between the US and Iran, that if Iran follows the agreement, they will be rewarded but the minute they violate the agreement all hell will break loose.
I am generally supportive of Israel. Before listening to JD Vance, I thought based upon what I read that the MOU favored the terror state. I was wrong to think that. I didn’t understand how this MOU puts the ball in Iran’s court: any and all violations they make will be met with swift US military decision making.
Put differently, this is a way to give Iran the rope with which to hang themselves.
Very few people think the government of Iran will comply. The Iranians truly believe their cause is just. Ghalibaf has said that in honor of the Ayatollah who was killed, their goal is nothing short of the liberation of Jerusalem along with the destruction of all the Jews.
There is a lot of antisemitism/anti-Israel feeling on X. It’s not clear how much of it is from bots.
Many people younger than me (I’m 73) do not seem to think much of this amount of hate towards Jews. I wonder if the US has stopped teaching world history. So much ignorance about what a wave of antisemitism can lead to. Basically antisemitism isn’t just bad for the Jews, it’s bad for EVERYBODY. That is because those who come after the Jews, want to enslave everyone.
President Trump is fighting those people, the ones who want to enslave us all. They are the ones who set up Iran as it is to be the cause of permanent war in the Middle East. President GHW Bush and the CIA have worked with the City of London to create this Middle East with governments and non-state actors surrounding Israel who want to destroy the Jewish State.
President Trump has done more than anyone in the world to change the Middle East, so that there will be lasting peace. With the Abraham Accords and now with an effort to settle the future of the government of Iran.
In my personal opinion, J. D. Vance handled himself well.
Your logic works ONLY IF Trump unleashes the military at the FIRST act by Iran to violate the deal.
If Trump gives them a pass on anything….then Iran wins.
Trump’s leniency has been motivated, IMHO, by his desire to cultivate relations with all of Iran’s neighbors. It’s a calculated risk.
But he doesn’t bomb Iran when tne fail to do what they’ve agreed to do, and/or he gives them another 30 or 60 days to do it — he loses massive credibility.
There’s more ways to skin a kleptocratic regime hiding behind a convenient veil of religiosity. If anyone thinks this MOU is halting the covert war against the regime’s hidden personal assets and all the other myriad ops, then I’ve got a Learing Center that’s eligible for State funding.
Eve, An excellent post from a person who was teachable and learned, in general, what an MOU is. Read my above comment for more details between the difference between an MOU and a DEAL.
Vance should have quashed the Israel talk IMO. We’re going to need Mossad if we want to know what the IRGC is really doing.
I tend to think some of this is planned, from the top. Create some distance with Israel to appeal to the growing number of younger MAGA voters who are very anti-Israel. As a Christian, I don’t see this ending well in that regard but the other side of that is it has to happen at some point.
There are days here that the treehouse feels truly like a last refuge…..
but when it is full of negative, hateful , gloomy comments…..it be like…
oh well it is what it is.
ya can`t please everyone …….be well
Bjorkdream, thanks for the reminder and the image.
I think it’s ok to disagree with each other if we keep it respectful.
I always appreciate your art and your thoughts. That’s something we probably all gree on.
… we all agree on.
OldDog……..ty ……bless you my friend….
Very true and nice.
Everyday your postings are enjoyed.
Actually, even this one so cozy.
Love the rain.
BE ……………………….be well my friend
Sepp ..nice ty
You are welcome.
Looked for different pic.
A fun anecdote.
One day years ago I went trail hiking deep in the hilly woods and wore one of my kilts with a white straw golf hat and so forth.
A young guy was jogging or just trying to run on the hilly trail and turned the corner to see me right in front of him.
I was not what he expected.
He looked close to see if I had a sword (or who knows what) then ran off tripping himself to get away.
I know he could hear me laughing and laughing.
Getting more negative as the days go by. I suppose Sundance is getting much more popular.
Anyway, like America, the Treehouse is the last best place.
The gall of these people and the willingness of the base to absorb this crushing, strategic failure are mind-boggling.
So let me get this straight: Trump, his boss, went to war with Iran without a good plan how to win it quickly, strung the Israelis along, then figured out that he’s not willing to do what’s actually necessary to win the battle, caved, ran, surrendered, and stabbed his allies in the back.
He gave the homicidal mullahs everything they wanted in exchange for a non-binding, unenforceable promise that “they won’t build a nuke or attack their neighbors.”
And now Vance and Trump are taking credit for lower gas prices that were already lower before they dragged us into a war that, as it turns out, they didn’t plan for and didn’t know how to win.
Fascinating to watch the anti-Trump narrative morph in real-time as it desperately tries to gain traction, it’s like watching a verbal version of The Thing, as it’s shape shifting and mimicking.
Well, it’s not every day that the president demands “total surrender” and forgets to mention that we’re the ones surrendering, in France.
But your feelings are valid. Trump fans and former supporters, myself included, are fighting the substrate. That requires us to genuinely suspend ego, identity, even certainty, and the need to be right, which is genuinely painful.
Soldier on!
Someone I know suggested that Kamala could have made a better deal. I replied “you’re kidding, right?”
He was not. My answer was that first she would need a long stint in a rehab facility to fix her drug addiction. As for her brain thinking there is no fix for that.
I agree that our politicians seem to represent some kind of negative selection. The diagnoses differ between the two sides, but still, my God, how many morons can this country survive?
Look, Harris or any other Democrat is a nonstarter for me. I’d rather put a bullet in my head than vote for a commie. But unfortunately, Trump doesn’t seem to be doing great either.
The inconceivable ease with which our self-proclaimed negotiation genius gave up on the core equation, the nuclear program in exchange for lifting the stranglehold, tells you just how total the collapse was.
Righteous indignation. My oh my.
Vance will come to regret being the face of the “deal” with Iran when (not if) the shooting starts again. Until the mad mullahs and their murderous theology are exterminated, regional tensions will always simmer.
For all the talk over the last 90 days or so, I have to wonder, what was it all for?? Yes, I know China is debilitated to a degree, but apparently, its oil is flowing again. What about supporting terrorists? Ballistic missiles, blah, blah??? I’m a full-throated supporter of DJT and, once the shooting started, stood behind him. I still stand with him, but what have we achieved? JD Vance and whoever else can flap their gums till the cows come home, but the IRGC still appears to be in charge. They’ve reportedly slaughtered tens of thousands of their people without consequence. Whatever…I could go on.
We don’t fight wars to win anymore. It’s all calculated to achieve some end without the most important thing – surrender. Wars aren’t won without the surrender of your adversary. Sure, you can wack ’em around a bit, destroy things, and kill some poor schmucks in the other uniform, but until you destroy their will to fight, destroy their ability to resist, and get them to roll over and submit, then you haven’t won. The Germans, Japanese and Italians surrendered in WW2 because we devastated their ability to fight and their will to resist. If you attack us, then you’re going to be devastated in return. If we attack you for a just reason, then we are going all the way. It’s painful to watch all this theater, and if the Red team loses the midterms??? DJT’s second term will come to a screeching halt. I say again, what was it all for??
I have to agree with Vance with regard to the personal criticism of President Trump by Israeli cabinet members. It completely ignores the reality of U.S. support for Israel, which is mainly driven by the support of Trump himself for Israel. As Vance says here, no other consequential world leader currently supports Israeli actions in the Middle East and certainly the U.S. is far and away the biggest contributor to Israeli defense. So when these politicians, whose country benefits from Trump-driven U.S. support, turn around and attack the best friend Israel has had in the last 40 years, it evidences a blindness and sense of entitlement that ignores how isolated Israel is, diplomatically, without U.S. support.
There has been rising criticism of Israel among the American right, with people questioning why billions in American tax money continually flow to that country and why Israeli problems always seem to end up as American problems. Those are legitimate points of discussion. But it does not help in any way to dampen the most ferocious of that criticism to have Israeli leaders publicly attacking the one man who has stood by Israel’s side when all other world leaders have essentially washed their hands of the Jewish state. Of course Israelis can disagree with U.S. positions, just as the U.S. can disagree with Israeli actions. But always, that disagreement has to be tempered by the reality of the situation that the U.S., and Donald Trump specifically, is a cornerstone of Israeli support.
The Left in America hates Israel. The Right has been a bastion of support, until recently. A display of ingratitude, despite all that the U.S. has placed on the line to support Israel, signals a lack of gratitude that can only erode that support. And if that happens, these Israeli leaders have only themselves to blame for the consequences of that erosion.
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3 objectives are met..! No Boots On the Ground, Lower gas prices, and None of our Money is being given to them.
Kind of what we had before starting this war.
Oh except for that nuclear weapon thing….
Why is Iran different?
Compare to Venezuela. Basically the US “conquered” it by simply capturing Maduro. This is similar to all the other leader assassinations the US has done over the decades. Just deal with one guy. Saddam, Hitler, etc
But Iran had at least two entire layers of leadership executed with hardly a ripple in their resistance. You could make a case that their leadership and whomever ascends into their leadership is not rational but while getting severely weakened they are still in place.
The best explanation is spiritual.
Per Col 1:16 Jesus created the spiritual powers:
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
After mankind’s third rebellion at the tower of Babel, God disinherited the nations and delegated earthly authority to these same fallen angel sons of God powers.
Deu 32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
These are the same earthly authorities mankind either follows (non-believers) or resists (believers)
Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
The answer is, the “Prince” of Persia is a very strong spiritual power, as described in Daniel.
Dan 10:13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I was left there with the kings of Persia,
The ruler of Persia held off the messenger Gabriel until Michael the archangel, the assigned Prince of Israel, intervened.
If this Persian war plays out according to the prophecies, Persia will not be subdued until the Prince of Greece (think Javan, western Asia minor, Turkey, Ottoman Islam) attacks.
This is the most idiotic and pointless… Wait, I’m slowly warming to it, it’s brilliant, and I really mean it. )))
Mark 5:9, Jesus asks a demon-possessed man his name. The demon replies, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”
The problem is that evil rarely looks like the Satanic caricature we expect. Our religions, myths, and modern culture have trained us to search for a villain: a devil figure, a Bond-style antagonist, or a small cabal of conspirators pulling strings from the shadows. That expectation is exactly what blinds us.
In reality, evil almost never announces itself. It’s not theatrical. It looks ordinary. It looks procedural. It becomes normalized. It’s performed by people who see themselves as law-abiding, well-intentioned, or even “professional.”
That’s why Trump fails to reform the DOJ, the FBI, and other government institutions.
We keep looking for isolated, prosecutable, actionable conspiracies. But such evidence is difficult to find when entire institutions, and the people within them, have become morally inverted. In that environment, evil becomes standard operating procedure. It becomes business as usual.
At that point, reform is no longer possible. You don’t selectively prune a diseased organism. You remove it. You don’t cull 25 percent or 73 percent of a herd infected with a lethal pathogen. You eliminate the herd and start over.
That’s what our leaders refuse to acknowledge. Either they don’t understand it, or they’re afraid to articulate it.
Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman, Esmaeil Baghaei has said that the memorandum of understanding between Iran and the United States has now been formally signed by the presidents of both countries, with the text finalized and the agreement officially in effect.
“The memorandum of understanding between Iran and the United States was agreed to be signed digitally,” Baghaei said. “No signing ceremony will be held in Switzerland,” Esmaeil Baghaei told the IRIB’s News Network.
A decision on whether the meeting will ultimately go ahead is expected within the next few hours, he maintained and added that the participation of the negotiating teams in Geneva remains on schedule.
Regarding maritime operations, Esmaeil Baghaei stated: “Iran will charge fees for services in the Strait of Hormuz. This mechanism and arrangements for managing the strait are being drafted. We began consultations with Oman long ago and have spoken with some other countries.”
He further noted that Iran retains the option of reducing the enrichment level of its enriched uranium.
Speaking on Iran’s missile programme, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei stressed that it is not a subject open to negotiations. He also confirmed that Iranian nuclear material will not be transferred outside the country.
And the crazy part is that our base won’t blame Trump for this total Charlie Foxtrot. They’ll come up with dozens of excuses: “It’s all part of a master plan to defeat them after the midterms,” “It’s a plan to defeat the City of London,” “It’s a plan to defeat China,” “It’s the Jews,” because somehow it’s always the Jews, or “Trump was concerned about the economy,” which apparently explains why he went to war with Iran, delayed every decision, prevented our allies from bombing the enemy, and dragged the whole thing out for months only to surrender…
Agree, and to think … Trump scrapped Obama’s JCPOA precisely for some of the reasons he’s now OK with.
If Trump can dis-engage from israel, he would be the best president of all time.
I feel totally different and quite comfortable after listening to Vance explain what has happened and what is going on with he Iran deal and answering the questions from the media. The volume of lies, the ignorance and hatred in the comment section about this press conference at the WSJ site are absolutely outstanding. People are too lazy to take the time to listen to the entire press conference. Frustrating!
And I feel like switching my vote to Rubio.
As I look at all of the conflicting information pouring onto us today, my only disappointment is that so many Treepers have accepted any of the BS and are willing to doubt that PDJT or our Lord and Savior aren’t fully in control.
God Bless Sundance. God Bless PDJT.
I think those naturally disheartened by the barrage of posts from panicans, FUDers and black-pill bombers need to remember something. Their frequency has a direct relationship with the concern the DS is fearing, hence the campaign to ‘shape the narrative’, meanwhile Team Trump and the President shape history.
As for Israel, it could just be me but this ‘dispute’ about the MOU seems somewhat staged and contrived, as though the words being spoken are ones that someone thought might be useful if they were heard publicly. Similar to the cheesy scene where two characters start conversing artificially, when they suspect someone is eavesdropping.
You’re right. “It’s all part of a master plan to defeat them after the midterms,” or “It’s a plan to defeat the City of London,” or “It’s a plan to defeat China,” or, better, “It’s the Jews,” because somehow it’s always the Jews, or “Trump was concerned about the economy,” which apparently explains why he went to war with Iran, delayed every decision, prevented our allies from bombing the enemy’s infrastructure, and dragged the whole thing out for months only to surrender… in France.
We all bad people for calling it what it is. The recurring pattern of behavior is prima facie evident. Trump doesn’t follow through on anything that costs him. Wars, mass deportations, prosecutions as part of accountability for the 2020 election scam or weaponization, and declassified releases — all are dropped the second they become inconvenient or face a serious pushback.
We just lost to Iran that mocks us to our faces.
Good luck with the Newsom campaign.
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Got it all figured out don’t you. Well bully for you. Wait and see.