There are three background facets worth discussing in the Charlie Kirk assassination. To wit, a fulsome historic reference is likely worth creating, so we can all evaluate information with a similar baseline.
(1) The background of events in the lead to Charlie Kirk’s murder; (2) the post-shooting activity of the FBI; and (3) the reality of motive carried by the 22-year-old assassin, Tyler Robinson. All three of these issues are separate and distinct; however, some people are dangerously merging them together. This should be avoided.
To help avoid conflation that happens, it is worth addressing all three issues separately and comprehensively. In this outline we address the first, the background events swirling around TPUSA and Kirk prior to the shooting.
Turning Point USA (TPUSA) is a donor funded organization. Within the business of engaging causes of worth it takes money, often a lot of money, to run the core logistics of the operation. With Charlie Kirk removed from TPUSA’s mission, I hope their donors and supporters remain fully engaged and are able to expand on his life’s work.
Back in 2022, the same background financial interests who were structuring the presidential run of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis also supported TPUSA.
Part of that collaboration surfaced in mid-August ’22, when DeSantis exited his five-days of silence in the aftermath of the FBI raid on President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate (August 8, 2022).
In the lead to the election campaign, DeSantis came out of his bunker directly into a promotional tour for his book, The Courage to be Free.
The Florida governor joined TPUSA as several events to increase his national profile. As a natural outcome TPUSA was funded for a short time by the same people funding the DeSantis long-term launch. Many of these donors were already part of the TPUSA financial system; it was a natural convergence.
To his credit, Charlie Kirk viewed the DeSantis effort as supporting a solid conservative, a fellow in the bigger battle, and yet remained supportive of Donald Trump throughout the collaboration and into the presidential primary once DeSantis formally announced over a year later.
Recently, when discussing the tragic event of Kirk’s assassination, Tucker Carlson noted Charlie Kirk took a lot of donor backlash for a shift in his position around the issue of Israel and the overwhelming retaliation taking place in Gaza.
Both groups, professional evangelicals and strong Israel supporters, took exception to Kirk questioning the attack on Iran and the ongoing decisions by the Israeli government to continue bombardment of Gaza. WATCH:
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The donor backlash Tucker Carlson is referencing, is also evident in an earlier podcast segment Charlie Kirk did with Megyn Kelly about a month before his murder. Again, for fulsome understanding it is worth watching the entire segment.
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The reference Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk are outlining was/is a cultural shift amid a great deal of young people as it related to how they perceive Israel. The issue was weighing on Charlie Kirk who was a strong supporter of Israel and was known as a voice for Gen-Z independent thinkers. The issue was such an important topic for Kirk, he did an entire focus group discussion on it [SEE HERE].
From the perspective of Kirk, a distinction needed to be made between support for the nation state of Israel to exist, and criticism for the way the government of Israel was conducting the war against Hamas. However, the pro-Israel donor class do not permit this nuance.
Additionally, Charlie Kirk was calling out secular Jews for funding the radical left.
What a way to sign off. pic.twitter.com/CYZWpzldS6
— Lauren Witzke (@LaurenWitzkeDE) September 11, 2025
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Put the three issues together, (1) a reluctance for conflict with Iran, (2) concerns about how Israel had extended the Gaza conflict, and (3) direct criticism of Jews funding the radical left, and what you get is an overreaction by the Israel-first lobby calling Charlie Kirk ‘antisemitic’.
Charlie Kirk was not ever an antisemite. However, his soft touches on the third rail of criticism toward Israel created massive backlash from his donor base; again, hard-core evangelicals and wealthy donors of the Jewish faith. This is not coincidentally the same donor base who funded the launch and 2024 primary effort of Ron DeSantis.
Again, to his credit, in the two-months prior to his murder Charlie Kirk did not waiver from his position; a position that was entirely in alignment with the voice of the Gen-Z audience to whom he was connected most deeply.
However, due to Kirk’s history of unwavering support for Israel a shift in opinion was viewed as a risk. The need for control is a reaction to fear. A pressure campaign against Charlie Kirk was created by the aforementioned donor group.
This is the context that surrounded the assassination. This context is not connected to the motive of the murderer, nor is it connected to the motive of the FBI in the aftermath. This background just sits alone as the accurate context for some of the external pressures that were upon Charlie Kirk for the two months that preceded his death.
Against this context, the donor groups, individuals and organizations that were participating in the pressure campaign, then had another concern in the aftermath of the shooting. Would they be blamed? Would this, once again, feed yet another conspiracy theory against Jews?
That aspect explains the openly obvious media campaign that was waged by the donor groups, individuals and organizations in the aftermath of the shooting. What we saw was coordinated praise for Charlie Kirk by the same people who were criticizing him for a shift in tone and opinion toward Israel and waging the pressure campaign.
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Again, WATCH:
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Obviously, the people who were pressuring Charlie Kirk would be very nervous about being blamed, and that aspect directly surfaces in the way members of the Jewish community and Israeli government reacted to his murder.
The intent of this post is to create an honest record of what was taking place in the background prior to Kirk’s assassination.
The reason clarity becomes important is because without it, dangerous conspiracies thrive.
There is ZERO EVIDENCE any of these background ‘donor pressure’ issues had anything to do with the murder of Charlie Kirk, yet already online people are making direct and inferred connections that do not exist.
Israel did not kill Charlie Kirk.
An unstable ideological leftist named Tyler Robinson, who was living with his transgender boyfriend Lance Twiggs, killed Charlie Kirk because they hated him.
Tyler Robinson hated the purity of Christian values that Charlie Kirk represented. Every day that Charlie Kirk spoke to their peers and dismantled the lies, was another day Tyler and Lance felt threatened by the return of a moral society that was the foundation of Kirk’s advocacy.
Do not let the issues conflate.
Yes, Charlie Kirk had become openly critical of the decisions being made by the Israeli government. No, Charlie Kirk did not stop supporting Israel.
Yes, Charlie Kirk was facing significant backlash by the very influential Evangelical and Jewish donors to his TPUSA organization. Yes, the influential donors were trying to convince Kirk to stop being critical of the Israeli government. However, no, there is no evidence Israel had anything to do with the crazed behavior of a mentally unstable leftist who assassinated him.
If that changes, we will openly and honestly outline it as we do with all subjects of great interest and consequence; but right now, there is no evidence of any connection.
Pray for Charlie Kirk and his family. Honor his legacy and support all the new awakenings happening as a consequence of this tragic and violent event. Do not allow yourself to be drawn into the dark imaginings of those who have an ulterior agenda. WATCH:
First thing I did was donate to TP for the first time when Charlie died. That was before his wife gave her amazing talk. I think she will keep it going.
unfortunately Ben Shapiro gave the impression that he was “taking over” — I have contacted TPUSA for clarification
https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1967206490055573881
“Tony Seruga
@TonySeruga
I have been told this morning by an FBI analyst reviewing the reams of GPS data, there very well may be dozens of co-conspirators.”
I don’t doubt that a great many were involved; look at some of those tweets which appeared to precede the attack. And for the shot to coincide with a trans/shooting question? I don’t doubt.
If TPUSA gave Shapiro a significant platform, it would kill the movement instantly.
Gen Z is hard core American First and sick of Israel and foreign wars. They’re tired of seeing our nation’s resources, blood, and treasure wasted on foreign conflicts that don’t serve our national interests.
Gen Z sees clearly what many older generations refused to acknowledge: that endless foreign interventions have weakened our country economically and socially while enriching a small, disconnected elite. They recognize that putting America first means focusing on our own borders, our own people, and our own sovereignty rather than serving as the world’s police force or subsidizing foreign nations’ security.
Shapiro is a Jewish believer who does not accept Jesus Christ as Lord & Savior. Shapiro has made public remarks pointedly disavowing Jesus Christ as the Messiah. TPUSA is a Christian organization. There will be no TPUSA with any Shapiro role.
exactly, i wonder who even put that rumor out
Ben Shapiro did.
That figures. Ben is not and never will be Charlie. Along with his ogther deficits he has zero charisma.
Idiots, it would seem.
Yeah. I’m Jewish and I agree.
And I definitely agree with most of what Shapiro says… but yeah, TPUSA Definitely Christian. (And I too am not Christian)
“And Shallum the son of Jabesh conspired against him, and smote him before the people, and slew him, and reigned in his stead.”
2 Kings 15:10
Make it clear! NO BEN
From a tired old boomer ‘Contrary’…right on target! Thank you!
Shapeshifter Shapiro.
He was for the lockdowns, masks, deathjabs before he was against them. That’s the litmus test for anyone’s commitment to freedom. Period.
No do-overs, no mulligans. Complete fail. Will do it again. And again. Name the mania they’ll return to their authoritarian roots in any and all crises.
Yes Patriot.
Shapiro is obvious deep state establishment IC propaganda agent. Built to mislead the right. I’m shocked people on the right take him seriously…. I mean… It’s so damn obvious.
agreed. Shapiro is a rat
Miss Mrs.Sunshine over at TGP disquist section.
And?
Gen Z are not the only ones to see this. It’s just that people are finally starting to listen.
The part of the older generations that are no long enamored of Fox news, CCN or any of the rest of the broadcast propaganda are beginning to question many things that were once presented as pro-American.
IMO, Shapiro should not be “spokeperson” for any organization.
His nasal vocal quality, his rapid pace, and the aire of know-it-all condescention is off-putting.
I can’t listen to him for more than 15 seconds before switch off.
I agree with Shapiro on most things, but he makes an awful impression when speaking. And he was NeverTrump until Trump dominated everything. Now he obliquely praises Trump but in the same breath puts in jabs to keep his anti-Trump street credibility.
Same for Mark Levin, to a lesser extent, though he is fully on board the MAGA train.
I used to love Levin but he seems to hyperventilate over everything these days to the point of being very difficult to listen to for any length of time.
I think Shapiro maybe gets too much unwarranted grief but the reality is, he is not very likeable to many. That’s just a fact. Charlie Kirk — way different.
Well said!
I truly hope not; he is not Charlie Kirk. He is looking to elevate himself.
Taking over TPUSA?
Or catching the baton and trying to take over leadership of campus youths?
Or picking up the torch of freedom of speech?
Honestly, I didn’t hear or read the statement and I need more context.
The one big mismatch I foresee would be a reluctance on Shapiro’s part to pick up the Cross. That seemed a big thing to Charlie and the organization he built.
There were hints of Shapiro, I think on Thursday, sounding like that is what he wanted to do…personally, I do not like him. So I hope TPUSA puts him in his place.
He has his place but not at TPUSA.
On the outside. Looking in.
trial balloon popped.
I think it wasn’t to take over so much as to recommit to being fearless and speaking publicly.
I pray that is just a rumor.
i heard that then i saw its fake but IF that were to happen all hell would break loose i can tell you that
As a disclaimer.
I am Jewish. I am not secular.
I am not a fan of Ben Shapiro, although I’m certain that I’d agree with him on things. I agree with Sundance and Treepers on lots of things.
I saw a clip of Shapiro making a remark on his show that he would
Pick up Charlie’s microphone.
I don’t know the complete context, but
To me it simply implied continuing the message of Judeo-Christian values of marriage and family. Two genders, pro-life to young people.
Clearly TPUSA is a Christian faith based organization, and Shapiro’s place in that s/b as an adjacent person. Not a part of it.
As for Charlie saying that secular Jews are supporting radical causes, 100% true.
Dennis Prager is famous for saying
that he has more in common with those who share his values than those who share his religion.
He is also famous at saying that clarity, moral clarity is the most important thing, and I appreciate Sundance for making that clear as to the motivation for this article.
Wealthy Secular Christians are just as dangerous as secular Jews.
Secularists are more likely to be leftists.
A person can be a Jew or a Christian and have zero faith in our Creator.
Secular Jews support Israel as their Judaism is synonymous with activism. Their leftist views plus Activism has become a religion.
I agree with Dennis, and I never for one minute would categorize Megan or Charlie as anti-Semitic.
Blaming Charlie’s murder on Israel is dishonest.
Someone on twitter wrote this and I agree.
“The Jews are the great suspects of the Western imagination once again. When searching for the answer to an anxiety or fear, the Jew is now back in his natural position as the default explanation.”
There is no such thing as judeo-Christian values. It’s a made up term that has no meaning. To be Christ like is to follow to teachings of Jesus whom Jews don’t believe in. Period. The Talmud and Jesus are not similar
As I understand it, the phrase Judeo-Christian has about the entire Bible: Genesis through revelation.
The Talmud is not a part of the holy scriptures but rather a commentary / expository work about the old testament scriptures, specifically focused on the Pentateuch..
Exactly. Jews and Christians share the same basic Old Testament. The Talmud came about hundreds of years after Christ — although it was, before that, passed down as “tradition.” But the same basic “tradition” Jesus railed against with the Pharisees.
His business is losing so he may try, good grief I hope they don’t allow that.
Maybe contact Ben Shapiro instead?
If that becomes reality it will damage the movement.
Whenever there is an open space at the top of any organization, there will always be a mad scramble by all sorts of snakes, grifters and opportunists to fill that void.
May God bless Erika Kirk and the loyal supporters around her.
May God give them increased wisdom, strengthened faith, and courage.
Ben Shapiro voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. He’s an opportunist, and way too pro-Israel.
Shiparo will never hijack what Charlie Kirk built, under the faith and for the glory of Jesus Christ.
Erika Kirk will see to that.
How can a Jew take up the mantle of a Christian? And I mean that comment with the nicest intentions in the world.
That would be a bad outcome, better his wife than Shapiro.
Ben Shapiro was taking the infowar to the college campus before Charlie finished High School.
Ben faced many threats of violence and many campuses rejected him or made him pay ridiculous security fees.
Same for Milo back in the day and others.
How dare (((Ben))) say not to give up and surrender the campuses to the left.
There is already an explosive movement underway bringing younger people to Christ at the TPUSA rallies across the nation. Yesterday at one of these TP rallies, 50 people responded to the “Alter Call” out of an estimated 300 who attended. Multiply that times the number of these rallies and theres 100s of thousands new Christians as a result of Charlie’s assassination. Charlie’s politics aside, God is expanding His Kingdom through Charlie’s death
OTG Amen God always uses the sin to do Good.
Heavenly Father,
We come before You with hearts both mournful and rejoicing, for in Your mysterious ways, You are ever drawing souls to Yourself. We thank You for the explosive movement of Your Spirit among the young at these TPUSA rallies, where the Gospel of Christ is being proclaimed with boldness. We are humbled that even in the midst of tragedy—the assassination of Charlie Kirk—Your sovereign hand is at work, turning darkness into light and death into life.
Lord, we praise You that 50 souls at a single rally yesterday heeded the call to surrender to Jesus, and we ask that this number would multiply across the nation, bringing hundreds of thousands into Your Kingdom. Though we grieve the loss of life, we stand in awe of how You use even the hardest of circumstances for Your glory and the expansion of Your Church.
Strengthen these new believers, O God. Ground them in Your Word, surround them with faithful community, and use them mightily as lights in this generation. May Charlie’s death not be in vain, but serve as a catalyst for revival across our land.
We ask all this in the mighty and precious name of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Amen.
What a very powerful prayer and what great news to hear that 50 people have turn their lives to Jesus. I remember reading about some of the great revivals that occurred in this country in the past in the 1800s and in the early 1900s i think one was called Asbury. As a young man, I would drive a bus in the 60s during the Jesus revolution and take a bunch of young people to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, where all the long-haired hippies were becoming Christian. Mrs. Sunshine you said it much better than me or that I could ” we ask that this number would multiply across the nation, bringing hundreds of thousands into Your Kingdom” I’m praying that prayer with you. Thanks for your post.
For sure he didn’t die in vain.
I think the new movement should be called MAKE HEAVEN CROWDED. It honors Charlie’s true legacy!
Same here! Immediately donated to TPUSA and am considering a monthly donation.
The website for Charlie Kirk has a tribute to him.
http://www.charliekirk.com
Thank you for bringing clarity to this facet of the Charlie Kirk tragedy. We can always rely on your thoroughness 🙂
Just like the 20 year old that almost assassinated PJT, I find it very hard to believe that some coordinated assistance was not made for their plans to commit murder. There has to be others complicit. Whether we will ever, once again, learn the whole truth is open.
You have a gun. You know how to aim it.
Security is lax.
You have hatred in your heart, enough to pull the trigger.
That’s really all that was needed.
Whatever fueled his hate, whoever fueled his hate, however insecure he was that allowed that hate to penetrate his every fiber of being—that’s all it takes.
It’s not hard to believe at all.
Whom paid George Zinn to act as a decoy?
His visits to dark sites, places where evidently one can find a nexus of Antifa terrorists and trans activists may have introduced him to sinister planners of domestic violence. I hope we find out, but in the end, all that was necessary to kill Charlie was a twisted kid, a weapon he knew how to use, and opportunity, which was afforded by lax security.
Without the scourge of social media, this would have been much less likely.
The question that must be answered to understand how the shooter ‘made his own luck’ is: how did the shooter get access to the roof? This came up in Butler, PA. It’s still an unanswered question – where did the ladder come from that the shooter used to climb up the roof? Did the shooters expect to ‘teleport’ to the roof and just happened to find a convienent ladder/open roof door?
It seems hard to believe that the shooters in both instances arrived on scene with the weapon but without the means to get into position unless it was already setup. The opportunity to be twarted in the attempt rises with the effort the would-be assasin expends to improvise getting into position. That logic would be clear to all but the most irrational – it would likely discourage the attempt.
I accept that it’s entirely possible that the Utah shooter had knowledge of lax security at the school and exploited it. It’s also possible that a confluence of collaborators stewing in violent rhetoric linked up their knowledge of future events, location security and the means to ‘do something’ into an assasination plot.
That gun found in the woods did not run with him off the roof and through the neighborhood.
That fantastical part of the story is what casts doubt on the entire story. It defies reason, physics, common sense. Which means it’s false. Why invent a fictional facet?
THAT is a guaranteed way to drive conspiracy theories, ‘evidence’ that is obviously contrived.
Why?
Why do you say he did not take the gun off the roof with him?
I read the shooter cased the area during the week before. I think he left the gun on the roof when he was there.
You Think?? The CCTV camera images would have verified your hypothesis. Those CCTV image footage surely have been reviewed for many days before the attempt.
The shooter had been on the roof scouting things out days or weeks before. He was reported to the FBI on two different occasions.
It seems his Uncle Mike Robinson is an operative for Ukraine. Just like the second shooter. Charlie Kirk was on the Ukraine kill list.
https://georgewebb.substack.com/p/ukraine-family-robinson-azov-kirk
As I believe Sundance has explained several times, when individuals are in ideological lockstep there is little need for formal coordination.
Theses assassins were fed a steady diet of hate and the ones who believe they have sufficient ability feel that society will have their backs once they do the deed.
For every monster that has gotten a shot off we have no idea how many aborted attempts were made where a would be assassin judged the security too tight to succeed because they didn’t actually have the skill or determination needed after all.
As the saying goes; the attacker only needs to succeed once, the defender had to successfully every time.
The fact that these are radicalized lone wolves actually increases the odds of short-term success. There isn’t any obvious signal traffic to intercept and too many peculiarities to each venue that extra security needs to be on top of. The killer’s weapon was a hunting rifle they’d previously owned.
One college age man on a college campus has a really good chance of not being noticed before the deed was done.
And it wasn’t a brilliant plan. As soon as the cameras were looked at he was quickly apprehended.
So, no, I don’t believe he’s a patsy. He’s a radicalized idiot following the encouragement of all the Left to do something about someone “evil.”
The greatest evidence for it not being some coordinated conspiracy is that the results are literally the opposite of what the Left wanted. Charlie’s murder didn’t shut anyone up, it multiplied the voices speaking out against them.
This is exactly how the 2020 election was stolen. The clerks in Detroit didn’t need orders from some moustache-twirling mastermind, nor did they need to coordinate with the clerks in Colorado or Pennsylvania or anywhere else. They knew what to do, and they did it.
Read more of Sundance’s great work about how the global IC operates.
So long as the Fumble Bumble Incompetents are “on the case” I think truth is a sure casualty.
We did not hear that Tyler was a member of a gun club or that his friends and/or family said he was a good shot. Think about this person going on a roof, with thousands of people there, with a gun that was given to him, not is own trusted gun, and pulled off 1 perfect shot.
On top of that he got the shot off on cue of the gender question answer.
And he gets away by jumping off the roof, with a gun (part) in his pants, while there was an outside stairway.
If he was shot frontally, there was no blood spatter in the back.
Have they recovered the bullet?
Maybe I missed that in the press conference where Patel was awfully quiet.
Of course there are co-conspirators starting with his furry friend.
Now: where am I going wrong?
Coworker interviewed said he kept to himself on job sites (electrical apprentice – his academic path following graduation is another rabbit hole that doesn’t make a sense) said the only time he ever joined a conversation was when it was about guns. When he boasted he dropped a deer at 450 yards. Hunting game you get one shot before your target runs into foilage. A 200-yard single shot would be easy. Bagging Charlie was bagging a 48-point deer at 200 yards for him.
There are photos of him shooting with his family as a child. A friend was also interviewed (I can’t verify the truth of this) and said he was a very good shot.
And you really don’t have to be expert with that sort of scope and rifle, firing from a prone position at a pretty immobile target. Hunters hit running deer at longer distances with similar rifles while standing.
This is the part about all of these shootings that bothers me the most, e.g. there is apparently a group within our own government or FBI or some such agency whose job it is to radicalize these SSRI taking, gaming addicted yourhs and convnice them to shoot up schools, bank buildings, TPUSA rallies, and so on. I do not know how these ghouls can live with themselves especially after the murder of a 31 year old man with a beautiful wife and children who wanted nothing more than peaceful campus rallies and discussions, not violence. I wish Pam Bondi would find and punish these people. Because we all know they are out there.
You need to look up how communists and other totalitarians (whatever their name is) take over a country, and how they kill millions as soon as they get into power. How can they live with themselves sounds naive. Consciences long ago seared, they want ultimate power.
Why do there have to be others complicit?
He was 22 and knew how to hunt and shoot. How old do you think the soldiers were that landed on Omaha Beach? How about the gangbangers in Chicago?
It’s looking like the roommate/lover was complicit. They reportedly had “friends” perhaps egging them on. Friends could be online, on Discord, or other trans/gay types they hung with in reality. They apparently had a circle.
So much we still do not know. What I do strongly believe is that the Fan Belt Inspectors are 100% useless.
The so-called Israel “connections” and “theories” are interesting, to say the least. The college campuses may be the largest battleground in the culture wars…the ulterior agenda remains to be seen.
They aren’t just useless. They are organized to muck things up.
The ulterior agenda is the destruction of America.
There is quote by Netanyahu about that.
I so agree with this post Sundance.
The more I read,the more I understand how Charlie held to his convictions in so many areas.
Hard to do with such pressure.
Its interesting but if the assassination attempt on President Trump had succeeded, I believe the response would have been anger and rage against the Democrats for making him out to be a villain.I know that’s how I would have felt.
With Charlie Kirk,all I hear is people talking about his faith,his love of God and are picking up bibles and going back to church. It’s not his political beliefs that’s making his impact,I think it was his unshakable faith.
I can attest to it. In my little rural town, there are prayer vigils and people standing up like never before.
“…his soft touches on the third rail of criticism toward Israel created massive backlash from his donor base; again, hard-core evangelicals and wealthy donors of the Jewish faith.”
hard-core evangelicals and wealthy donors of the Jewish faith, also known as unregistered foreign lobbyists.
While individuals of course have every right to participate in the political process, when their primary loyalty appears to align more closely with a foreign nation than with American interests, it rightly raises questions about whose agenda is truly being advanced. This dynamic has unfortunately compromised many otherwise sound political movements and leaders, preventing them from taking positions that would clearly benefit the American people first.
How do you want to align with American interests? By permitting Iran to have nuclear weapons and a delivery system? By allowing the murderous jihadists to destroy your only true and western ally? Israel is not Iraq or Afghanistan. It is not Vietnam. Those wars were fought by the deep state for money and power, not for America. I agree. Also, we have no boots on the ground. The Israelis are fighting for their lives against the same jihadists who are trying to take this country. I would worry about Ilhan Omar and her friends.
If the context that Sundance wrote about had nothing to do with the assasination, why bother to write about it?
You might want to check on the background of Charlie’s security crew. You will find your answers there.
Do tell
https://x.com/aldamu_jo/status/1967145909042770222?s=46&t=JBknLjHvl7aAfeAxV69NRA
His security crew was positioned to keep anyone from rushing the stage. They were not intended to secure the whole area. There weren’t enough of them. Stage protection was their job.
His security crew shot him…. https://x.com/jimmyfalk_55/status/1966913962576105802?s=42
Why would Robinson confess to his father if he wasn’t the shooter?
He may have fired “A” round for the express purpose of providing the acoustic evidence (crack/thump) needed to distract everyone’s attention to the roof (frontal shot).
He may have not only aimed over the crowd, but over the entire venue.
If that is the case, there will never be a ballistics match to the rifle; as the projectile would have had a flight path to the NW-ish (partially/possibly over the Great Salt Lake).
A shot from the side would make any arguments over vest/no vest moot.
A shot from the side would make what we see appear on Charlie’s neck an exit wound (larger than expected for an entrance wound).
The entrance wound would be, perhaps, under Charlie’s right arm. Much smaller and less likely to produce immediate evidence of bleeding.
Charlie did move to his left after he was hit.
Noone nearby Charlie turned and looked in the direction of his security detail. They looked behind toward the sound.
There was only one sound.
Only one crack/thump.
The nearby weapon had to have been silenced. Perhaps, by the very clothing being worn.
Everything but the “underarm” shot would have had to be distraction.
A “performance” to fixate everyone’s attention on “Tyler”.
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How do you account for his tee shirt jumping up? It looks like a bullet hit his vest and ricocheted upwards. Could that bullet have entered his jugular?
“Risk versus Threat” was sorely underestimated.
wvvet: “His security crew was positioned to keep anyone from rushing the stage. They were not intended to secure the whole area. There weren’t enough of them. Stage protection was their job.”
Tyler Robinson took his plan from the Butler PA assassination attempt on Donald Trump. Get on top of a roof and shoot from a high position which has a clear line of sight to the speaker podium.
TPUSA had enough money in its coffers to assign one more person with a drone to keep an eye on surrounding rooftops and to surveil the crowd generally. Had this been done, more likely than not, Charlie Kirk would be alive today.
They could have even got volunteers.
Needs to become SOP for security details going forward.
https://x.com/deepwebslinger/status/1966817311060287534?s=42
Was that Jocko?
Indeed
Houston, ….
Have to admit…
Doesn’t look like he is holding a piece of paper.
Not even a flinch.
Object hurriedly and purposefully hidden as he backs away into obscurity.
Backs away!!!
Is that what security does.
https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/human-rights/was-israel-involved-with-charlie-kirk-s-death-let-s-look-at-the-facts/
It’s interesting that you state facts that are absolutely not known at this time. I would prefer to wait for the truth. I thought that’s what we were all seeking.
What “facts” are stated that are not known?
We’re still very early in the process. Historically, sometimes it takes decades to get a fuller picture.
I’m not holding my breath.
When President Kennedy was shot and then Lee Harvey Oswald was shot, everyone in my town (parents, teachers, and kids) immediately thought it was a conspiracy. No one bought the official line that was coming out.
Obviously, they were correct. It doesn’t take years to get the truth. It may take years to bury the truth with lies and obfuscation.
https://x.com/jimmyfalk_55/status/1966913962576105802?s=42
Some still disbelieve what their own eyes told them on 911. Some cannot be reached.
Sadly it doesn’t take very much skill to do what the assassin did to Charlie Kirk.
Focus on the unacceptable hate people. Forget the means and the methods, start asking the right questions on why we allow these haters a place in civil society.
Can we survive if the continued acceptance of hate by the deranged is met with silence on our part?
I think not.
I suspect my eyes and the laws of physics did not tell me the same thing your eyes told you.
Sundance is very clear laying out the facts and we can seek more information but silo that information, putti into the right context.
Sundance is very clear about some issues Charles Kirk was having with a powerful donor base, but there is no proof at this time that had anything to do with his murder.
This is the only site that explained the election steal and what to do about stopping it when Biden was installed.
Sundance I am sorry for your personal loss and am looking forward to hearing from you as always.
Stay safe and yes I trust your word and directions in understanding what really happened.
Tammy you said, “Sundance I am sorry for your personal loss and am looking forward to hearing from you as always.” I didn’t see anything about Sundance’s personal loss can you explain what it is?
Security crew…. https://x.com/deepwebslinger/status/1966817311060287534?s=42
Were they signaling to the shooter that the transgender question was being asked?
Yes!
Does the bullet that hit Charlie Kirk match up with the rifle that was found?
I am also having difficulty reconciling in the charging document how Mr. Robinson, the alleged assassin, was running across the rooftop at 1222 hours, yet had the time & wherewithal to get positioned, situated & able to take a successful skill shot from 200 yards. Something is not right. The facts that have been shared do not add up in my feeble & humble opinion. Robinson seems to be a patsy, just like Crooks was. You always say ‘Trillions are at stake’ and you are correct in that statement. I still trust nothing coming out of our FBI, CIA or the Intelligence Community, regardless of who currently sits in he top leadership spots.
Who did it?
Whoever you say did it, I can say they were a patsy.
If you say the Jews did it, I can say that pro-Hamas people are using him like a patsy to make us stop supporting Israel.
If you say some Muslim did it, I can say Mossad is using him to shore up support for Israel.
If the shooter is Trans, I can say someone is setting things up so we stop tolerating trangender nonsense.
If you say MAGA did it on Donald Trump’s orders, I can say this is set up to divide MAGA.
This goes on, forever.
Let’s be guided by evidence in hand, not who might be setting things up to manipulate us.
Exactly!
There are cases that as all the information emerged the truth was like a roller coaster ride.
The level of scrutiny in this tragedy keep in mind sometimes facts that don’t seem to make sense they don’t even to those that are investigating!
The amount of people there “investigating” can make it so much more difficult as well.
2 The other fact, that we have been told in the charging document are the times where Mr. Robinson was located on the rooftops.
My opinion questions the alleged shooter’s ability to run across the rooftop, given the times listed in the charging document, get himself situated, positioned & steadied, and make a successful kill shot.
Let us wait and learn if fact 1 & fact 2 align.
Apparently the ‘facts’ that a portion of this comment section hopes will support their musings.
Oh no’s last brain cell just exploded.
You discount any possibility that a foreign (or domestic) intelligence service was potentially involved. I think that’s a naive position and I don’t consider you to be a naive person. It makes me work to understand why you’re projecting such certainty this early in a process that contained a lot of hiccups and was basically all wrapped up in record time. There will be profound changes coming out of this, but I’m not necessarily an “end justifies the means” kind of person.
It all seems incredibly simplified and convenient. Maybe it really is as simple as we’re being led to believe. Then again? Maybe it’s not. That’s the space I live in.
Whatever or whoever’s “truth” you’re waiting for, good luck with that.
Ain’t that the truth.
Insightful, succinct, perfectly explained [content, tone].
Brilliant analysis.
I don’t think the public evidence against the young kid reaches beyond reasonable doubt so far.
And much of the story doesn’t fit the facts any better than Las Vegas or even JFK.
Examples… rifle found in trees was assembled, which requires special tools and time and some skill. Kid did not have fully assembled rifle when he jumped off the roof.
Where’s the bullet fragment?
How does a 30-06 round at 140 ft not destroy his neck? Exit wound? Nobody around Charlie hit?
How did kid do pro level recon to set it all up? Cell phone pings earlier in the week? Who did he talk to and meet with in the weeks before like the Butler patsy?
This isn’t over yet.
Why isn’t George Zinn in custody? Active decoy whom claimed he shot Kirk.
What might Zinn disclose?
co-conspirators
I’ve wondered the same thing. He was charged with obstruction, and then released. A history of showing up at political/media events, no matter how trivial, although he did spend a year in jail for a 2013 bomb threat of the SLC marathon.) He’s older, labeled “harmless”, and then let go.
There were only 6 campus cops on duty for Charlie’s event. At least 4 were required to carry this old guy, who made a grandstanding show of resisting arrest, to the squad car. Was he contacted to be a diversion? Or did he simply grab his chance to be in the spotlight? Regardless, NOT innocent.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/george-zinn-detained-in-viral-footage-after-charlie-kirk-assassination-well-known-political-gadfly/
The fact he isn’t on every liberal news program screaming about false arrest is telling.
I doubt most know anything about him or the other guy unfortunately. Charlie started to wander off the plantation. He was becoming a liability. This was a warning to others.
Until these questions are answered, I don’t believe one word of it. The writing on the bullet casings and finding out he lives with a trans is a nice and easy deflection. This story has more holes than a loaf of sourdough. Expect another Butler type “investigation”. And they have already planted the seed the kid is suicidal. Jus sayin.
Ian Smith, Sr.
@iansmithfitness
People get upset for not accepting the official government narrative of Kirk’s death – as if questioning a government that has done nothing but lie is somehow disrespectful. If anything, blindly accepting the cute gift-wrapped narrative is. Charlie was a man who encouraged questioning.
Let’s walk through some of the contradictions and questions.
1) Discord evidence.
Officials claim digital chats were found mapping the plan, but Discord says it’s not on their servers. So where is it? Screenshots? Forensics? Chain of custody? If a planner is smart enough to scout/escape, why leave a confession on a public platform?
2) No ballistics and caliber.
We still don’t have a lab match between the rifle and the bullet that killed Charlie. Until there’s rifling/toolmark confirmation, everything else is noise. Officials can end this instantly with the fired bullet’s measured lands/grooves and a simple one-page lab prelim. Why haven’t they?
3) Rifle fairy tale.
Video shows the runner without a rifle at several points. So he had to disassemble it. Are we supposed to believe he then re-assembled it just to dump it in the woods?
4) Family contradiction.
Grandmother claims nobody in the family is a leftist and she’s never seen him touch a gun. That clashes with the leftist narrative and the story of a calm, competent shooter.
5) Confession theater.
Shooter executes the plan under pressure, escapes, then immediately tells on himself via dad/minister. You don’t pull off a precise shot and then sprint home for a group confession circle.
6) Decoys.
Two decoy arrests/contacts the same night. If this was a lone impulsive student, why the extra moving parts? Who coordinated this?
7) The plane.
A private jet near the scene “disappears” from public tracking right after the shooting. We’re told “nothing to see here.” Cool, then release the ADS-B raw logs, tower audio, and a simple flight timeline.
8) Security.
Clips show odd hand signals and movements around Charlie seconds before the shot. If that’s normal, let’s see an official breakdown of who those people were and what they were signaling.
9) Motive tangle.
Information suggests Charlie had public disagreements with major donors and was pivoting harder to America-First fights. Ask the most basic question: cui bono? Who benefits from the story we’re being sold?
10) Wardrobe shift.
Rooftop figure is head-to-toe black. The suspect appears in different clothing. If the shooter changed, where are the discarded clothes? Recovered? Tested for GSR/DNA? Logged? Show the evidence tags.
11) Rooftop access unclear.
Which door, hatch, or ladder? Card swipe? Alarm trip? Camera angles? If the route is “known,” release the complete path with timestamps. A campus roof isn’t a bus stop.
12) Camera gaps.
We get a few convenient snippets but no uninterrupted multi-angle sequence from roof to woods. Where’s the full pull from all cams? Redactions can protect privacy but cuts protect narratives.
13) Forensics.
No GSR results from the suspect’s hands/clothes. No latent prints/DNA announced on the rifle, scope, or towel. No matching shoe prints/soil transfer from the roof. These are day-one tests. Where are they?
14) Geodata.
If the FBI has the right man, they have his location history, pings, and IP logs. Publish the warrant returns (redacted) that place his device at the roof and along the dump route.
15) Backpack & gear.
Backpack color/cut in roof footage vs later images of the suspect aren’t a clean match. Was the pack recovered? Contents? Gloves? Optic cover? Sling? Any of it booked into evidence?
16) Media choreography.
The most cinematic detail (the father/minister pipeline) was rolled out before forensics. That primes the public with a tidy moral arc while the science lags. Classic play.
If the FBI has the shooter, show the receipts. Not some “I’ll see you in Valhalla” bullshit. Until then this case is a puzzle with pieces hammered to fit. We don’t need another polished narrative. We need proof.
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https://x.com/davidjsorensen/status/1966641448209490198
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-netanyahu-israel-assassination/
Good grief, his Dad turned him in because he confessed.
He’s not cooperating and he has not confessed.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/utah-governor-alleged-kirk-shooter-cooperating-authorities/story?id=125552756
Patel makes me cringe. I am embarrassed for him. He looks and acts the fool.
If you aren’t a former LEO, I’m amazed and even if you are, those are very strong questions that reminded me of forgotten details like the plane that illegally turned off its transponder after takeoff a short time after the assassination (probably just a coincidence, right? Right?!)
All (most all) your questions are unravelling the ‘nicely tied bow’ of ribbon they wrapped around the nicely wrapped gift they are trying to give us.
See you in Valhalla indeed.
I have shot white tailed deer with 30-06 from 150-200 yards. Some times the exit wound is only slightly larger than the entry wound.
It will be a while before its made public and we may have to wait for the trial, if there is one…but I look forward to reading the autopsy report. The detailed report.
Just got done texting an acquaintance the exact same thing. No visible rifle in any of the lead up video. Anyone who has ever shot a rifle built on that platform knows that you don’t assemble and disassemble that platform quickly, much less assemble and shoot accurately without running several rounds down range. Video shows him jumping off of a roof with no firearm in hand. He did not have enough time to disassemble that platform, stuff it in his backpack, drop from the roof, reassemble the firearm and wrap it in a towel to stash in a bush somewhere down the street. Something smells fishy in Denmark…
Of course it’s not over….inside job… https://x.com/deepwebslinger/status/1966817311060287534?s=42
I am evidently missing what this video is showing. I did see the guy on CK’s right in dark shirt move his hands/arms and saw what looked like gun in his hand, but he wasn’t facing a direction where he could have done the shot from the front.
Well, it was 140 yards, not feet, for one thing. Another is that a bullet hitting the very soft tissue of the neck wouldn’t flatten and expand very much. And we didn’t see the exit wound; only the blood. The investigators aren’t going to share everything they’ve found. That will be brought out at his trial.
He was 10’ away…
He did definitely had to do some on site prep as the Google images for the courtyard area are limited. In fact there are several pics from prior to 2023 that have a full grown tree approximately 200 feet from where Chariles tent was set- up that would have obstructed the sightline/view from the rooftop where the shooter was.
Using Google Maps measure distance function places the actual shot distance closer to 135 yards versus the 200 that has been widely reported, so for a scoped rifle from a prone position it really doesn’t require an exceptional level of skill.
A person was spotted at least several days maybe longer prior to the incident on the roof by a student who after the shooting reported it to the FBI allegedly and also by a professor.
Apparently Ring cameras in the nearby neighborhood showed him walking with odd or obstructed gait prior to arriving at the event.
I think he rigged something in or on his backpack to suspend the buttstock and had the forestock and barrel in his pants behind his knee. I measured my bolt action Ruger .30-06 topped with a scope and it would extend several inches beyond me knee if rigged in a similar fashion and it would cause a loss of mobility in my walking.
The video of him jumping down from the roof is grainy, but I do see him lower something with him and it appears to me he is trying to hold or conceal it vertically along his left side as he heads towards the area were he apparently crossed the street and ditched the weapon.
Using Google maps there is residence across the street from the parking lot with a long driveway that has an opening in the fence that could provide an unobstructed egress point and also there is a wooded area that could serve as the “drop point”.
What confuses me is his access to the rooftop, you can jump down but I seriously don’t believe you can scale the wall up. Are rooftop access doors just left unlocked?
And several reports that he arrived in light colored shorts and possibly a a different colored tee shirt, that contradicts the reports of the images capture by Ring cams. Gonna have to wait and see what else is released before coming to conclusions.
Why do you not believe he had the rifle in his backpack with the barrel down his pants leg?
What have you heard about an exit wound, one way or another?
Why dont you think a .30-’06 bullet would destroy his neck? That might be the way a 5.56 x 45 would behave, but no reason to believe an AR15 was used.
Why should a single bullet necessarily hit anyone other than the target?
Did you see the video? The bullet absolutely destroyed his neck. About 2 pints of blood came out in a mere second.
It is still amazing how we cannot question the government of Israel. Not a fan them nor their neighbors. They have been fighting forever and not sure there is answer.
You are questioning it right now.
Should we question every entity that Charlie Kirk disagreed with? Why pick on just one, Derg.
The Middle East is not America First
Look up Project Esther
Some people think “the Jews” and Israel are behind everything. Their nutty. But there might just be a bunch of Chinese bots that amplify the nuts. Be skeptical of everything.
LOTSA BOTS!
Info op run by sinister critters.
Like billionaire Neville Roy Singham with ties to the CCP, who funds assorted anti-America, anti-Israel protests, anti-ICE riots, and more. He’s married to a woman who advocates for Iran.
Shadowy Left-Wing Network Funded Elias Rodriguez’s Trip to ‘Resistance’ Convention
Rodriguez’s trip to People’s Congress of Resistance at Howard University sheds light on path to radicalism
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/shadowy-left-wing-network-funded-elias-rodriguezs-trip-to-resistance-convention/
……
DataRepublican (small r) @DataRepublican
Neville Singham – sorry. Real nice guy. Activist who became a billionaire by pushing Chinese propaganda worldwide.
https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1931514475531882673
. . . but deliver us from the Evil One.
There are people working today, as in the past, for the appearance and reign in the world of the Anti-Christ.
All those vehicles with out-of-state plates parked outside the shooter’s apartment before the assassination are the links to the bigger picture.
I agree, geo location from cell data will take some time to compile.
I believe there are many co- conspirators that are desperately trying to delete their discord accounts.
This investigation demands the same vigor as the J6 people received.
Vegas is an hour south.
Turning Point is a juggernaut, both in money and influence. That is motive enough.
Thanks SD for giving clarification and straight forward facts as usual. Charlie was murdered by a lunatic, mentally unstable person. If more than that comes out, then it will change the story. Right now there isn’t any proof of anything other than that. Pray for his family and unite to keep his message going into the future.
Here’s your shooter… https://x.com/aldamu_jo/status/1967145909042770222?s=46&t=JBknLjHvl7aAfeAxV69NRA
No it is not. If you’re talking about whatever is inside that highlighted circle.
Respectfully, how can you claim it is not, when you admit, you don’t know what “”it”” is?
That circle was added to draw everybody’s attention to look there (dark small blur next to the standing woman) was it not? Yet the creator deleted the sound of the gunfire and added some lame music. If the “shooter” was within that circle, that woman would have reacted with a sudden body movement due to the loud bang which can be easily heard in unedited footage. Good grief.
And the guy on stage with sunglasses has nothing in his right hand that is under his left arm after he reacts to the gunfire.
There would be zero bang, if using a high end suppressor (zero noise).
I’m not saying, but it isn’t hard to conceive of a very high-tech device with a camera device with cross hairs that displays the target inside his ‘sunglasses’, and an electronic safety and trigger.
If this were the case, the bullet would have entered from the side and lodge in the neck or exit the other side.
It would HAVE to be covered up by a coroner’s report.
I think it unlikely.
If they were going to shoot from the side up close, the patsy (if there was a patsy) would have to have been in a position 90 degrees from where they say the shot came from. Still a level or upward trajectory would NOT reconcile with a downward trajectory from a rooftop patsy.
Stay tuned for more curve balls, but not from me; I’m just a commenter on what I see and what does or doesn’t make sense. And I’m not as versed as those of you who are investigating deeply.
🤣 I don’t see anything.
Tyler Robinson was intimately involved with his roommate, a male that is in the process of transitioning to female. But it goes even deeper than that:
“Zizian” cult trans cells, members of the group see themselves as engaged in a righteous struggle against perceived evils. The group appears to have turned its radical worldview into violent action. The group’s ideology blends anarchist and transhumanist themes with a radical form of veganism. The group mainly “lives” online, making it difficult for outsiders to understand how the members progressed toward violence. The Zizian case remains under active investigation and is proceeding to trial in multiple jurisdictions. To understand this cult, a re-post below:
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/charlie-kirk-was-assassinated-by?publication_id=400535&post_id=173573075&isFreemail=true&r=ypagw&triedRedirect=true
The blatherings of Tucker Carson and Megyn Kelly are irrelevant to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Kirk was talking to them. Don’t be weird.
Sundance: What does this have to do with the actions of the alleged assassin or his potential accomplices?
What about Charlie’s interview with Megyn from a month ago that 4gypsybreeze posted last night on the Twiggs cooperating with FBI Thread?
Noted – If billrla doesn’t agree with content or billrla’s world view, that said content is deemed “blatherings”
No need for billrla to provide context, clarity or arguments.
Per Fox, it seems the alleged perp is exercising his ‘right to remain silent’ and not cooperating, talking?, with the investigation. Not a lawyer but….the article gives the impression that the ‘confession’ he had previously made, might not ‘count’. In the court of public opinion, he is guilty. However, as a US citizen, lets remember that he is afforded the blessings of Constitutional rights, guaranteed. Those rights, whatever anyone’s opinion may be, must not be taken from him. JMO.
It’s going to be a long wait, for the Truth to come out.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/charlie-kirk-shooting-utah-memorial-9-14-2025
a comment after the video…within the article: “He has not confessed to, to authorities. He is, he is, he is not cooperating, but, but, but all the people around him are cooperating. And I think that’s, that’s, that’s very important,” Cox told ABC News.”.
May God bless his family…and most especially, the ‘littles’.
Nailed it Sundance,.
The assassins of Charlie Kirk hated, they hated themselves and the world but they especially hate having light shined on their derangement.
We have morphed into a deranged world…
“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20.
This world has been “morphed into the deranged” at least from the time of the Bush 9/11 plan, and long before. Try Viet Nam nonsense to kill young white men and make USA a “loser.” Or try the beginning of “human-caused global warming” massive scientific fraud, well before clot-shot bioweapon. We can go on and on. The 20320 coup was to put frosting on the cake.
These destroy-western-civilization/values psychopaths have simply been allowed to become more organized. As Sundance has revealed – FIB leading the way.
We need appropriate police power and people power and one-citizen-vote with ID. Don’t let Charlie Kirk’s tragedy go to waste.
John 13:16.
I want to know why the FBI withheld information from Kash Patel? I also want to know if anyone is going to investigate all those trannies on social media with ties to Twiggs that seemed to know about the attack ahead of time. Was it a network or trannies that planned the assassination?
THANK YOU SUNDANCE!
The people who are “threatened by the return of a moral society that was the foundation of Kirk’s advocacy” are the ones who are showing zero empathy, zero concern, zero compassion, and zero integrity. I am very thankful that they are being identified, called out, fired, and ousted from employment and social circles.
A question I have heard being asked: Why is the “Right” suddenly an advocate of “cancel culture”?
Most repeated answers are along the lines of: We’ve had enough of the Left’s cancel culture. This is where our tolerance has led us. No more. The lines have been drawn. We are going to defend our country from an evil, death, culture.
If Charlie’s martyrdom was, in God’s plans, to wake up a luke warm Christian culture, then Charlie did not die in vain.
Remember COVID, when Christians showed zero backbone, for the most part? We aren’t going to fall for it again. The left’s time has come to an end and I am thankful for it. Amen.
Charlie’s martyrdom was not ‘planned’ by God, or ‘in His plans’!
That plan came from a satanic source or influence.
Will God use all that happens for the furtherance of souls saved and His Kingdom to come?
Yes, of course He will, but do not assign evil doings or the fault for them to the Father above.
We were actually assigned the authority on earth to pray and call down this pervasive evil that swirls around us.
Who among us haven’t been doing their jobs calling the evil and demonic down?
Is it past time maybe, for all of us to go deeper in our prayer time?
Thank you for this post.
I did not follow charlie kirk except in a few interviews.
Now I know I should have.
News can be used to msnipulate and coverup the facts or truth.
The news is something other than what it appears to be.
If it had a gender it would be the fake transgender news.
FTN network
Thank you SD! I agree that Charlie was critical of specific actions & not antisemitic in any way.
To many people (even here) the criticism of the Israeli gubmint’s actions & criticism of specific people who happen to be Jewish is immediately cast as antisemitism. This post made it clear that these are rightly & distinctly different things.
We have to be able to speak honestly to events without being shut down with accusations of racism or antisemitism. Shutting down honest dialogue stiffles our ability to solve problems with logic & facts.
I appreciate your honest & logical evaluation in this & all things!
Thanks Sundance.
There is a lot of conflating and misleading going around.
How much of it is directed warfare and how much is simply people mistaking things?
From the games played against Patel, to the claims truth was intentionally withheld to allow the left to build the lie that it was a right-wing murder, there does seem to be a lot of warfare.
Even the reality of the pro/anti Israel information warfare sets up opportunity to continue that warfare using Kirk’s murder.
But without directly doing so, the ground has been seeded for such warfare to arise from those already steeped in the struggle.
Either way, it is the misled or mistaken that keep spreading and pushing.
And it is the readers and followers who are hurt by these false claims.
So again, Thanks.
Refusing to pretend not to know certain things, having discernment by asking the right questions, and not being afraid to face Truth that is very uncomfortable, is so important. Sundance repeatedly goes back to these core things in his writings.
I at first thought that some one nut probably killed Charlie and it still looks that way but who knows? We now know that the Kennedy killing was a organized effort so now we are hearing hints that this guy did not act alone I do not trust the FBI at all but what would be the reason behind killing Charlie if it was more than one person it would have been easy no security hardly at all and to say that he was a hateful guy is just plain old BS if you ever watched any of his debates it was not him that was hateful usually the guy or gal that was asking the questions was the hateful one .
Charlie Kirk was the best of us.
Tyler Robinson, who was living with his transgender boyfriend Lance Twiggs hated Charlie Kirk because Charlie promoted a return to a moral society based on Biblical morality. That was antithetical to his lifestyle and his conscience couldn’t bear the guilt and shame.
Your post is much too logical.
Live long and prosper.
i deeply appreciate your willingness to cautiously but thoughtfully broach this sacred cow subject over time, now via the Kirk outrage, on the merits and critique of Israeli government versus the nation, people, and history.
i remain very convinced that a long-sustained campaign has deeply warped our ability to analyze these topics rationally, and that the Israel subject is the achilles heel of the right. i have been called the same anti-semite countless times, including here, for holding a very similar opinion.
thank you, again.
I read and internally analyze a lot of news, like most Treepers. Not for a single second prior to Kirk’s murder, or after it, did I think Israel or its supporters were in any way involved.
What I am most interested in is the [bizarre] post-shooting activity of the FBI, as mentioned by Sundance at the beginning of this article. Patel stated almost immediately, with apparent confidence, that they had caught the “suspect”, and then he had to walk that back only a few hours later. And now I see just today that underlings in the FBI didn’t show Patel photos of the alleged shooter for twelve hours, while apparently there was a huge disagreement within the FBI as to whether the photos should be released to the public.
The video of the guy running across the roof of the campus building after the shooting, and then dropping down to the ground — there’s no rifle. Bannon is right in his criticism: there was no time to break down the Mauser rifle into separate pieces and stuff them into a backpack. Something is very wrong.
Even the pictures we’ve seen of Robinson PRE-shooting, while wearing his sunglasses, ballcap, and black shirt do not show the bulges of the stock and barrel of the supposed broken-down rifle in the backpack. And they weren’t stuffed down his pants legs.
And why, days later, do we not have a clear timeline of the pre-shooting and post-shooting events of Robinson? Something is not right. Something is very wrong with the whole thing. I wish like hell that I could believe something, anything, is true, but I can’t.
And now, the uncertainties are going to muddy this whole thing. Just like the Butler assassination attempt that we still know absolutely nothing about. Jesus, I wish I could trust somebody. But it’s impossible in today’s world.
Ok, what was the long rifle like thingey wrapped in black cloth type material that he through off and retrieved during his escape Most likely it was the thing he was trying to hide to avoid a firing squad. Look at the video in higher resolution. This has been discussed several times.
Thank you for the analysis Sundance. It was very informative.
I always admired Charlie Kirk. He was a man of courage and he was boldly doing God’s work.
My only concern ever about Mr. Kirk was whether or not he could withstand the pressure from the billionaire Sea Island crowd to conform to their agenda. Clearly my concerns were unfounded.
Once again Sundance you are spot on with Reality. We are living in the last days of the Church age Deception runs rampant. Thank you for being level.
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Sundance, our Heavenly Father uses your talents to keep us who seek the “truth” all on an even keel! Thank you for the background in framing this horrific event.
A true American speaking truth to or about Israel is like a best friend trying to let you know you’re being stupid. Accurate or not. (Sometimes best friends are wrong too.)
“I am writing a book on the Shabbat Sabbath–for the fifth time I love Israel and want them to win.”–Charlie Kirk
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John 12:32
“As for me, when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”
Yes, Lord, You are drawing us to Yourself! Thank You, Jesus!
Rest in the Vine: Jesus First!
I often cross post to another forum. I know that many there do not read full articles. They already have their own opinions and look to the forum for bias onfirmation.
they probably do not think of TPUSA as a business that relied on donors. Big donors. Nor do they have any ideea of the pressures Charlie had to deal with. But tghose pressures did not take his life.
IMO, both Robinson and Twiggs should have had a talk with Charlie. I believe it would have been good for them. And saved two lives.
Zionism is what Charlie spoke of and he is right. Israel is Zionist as is most of our Govt. I pray Charlie had those arround him to cont this long term war on the American people no matter which side the ones on the street have no idea whats going on. Thank you Sundance
You’ve done an excellent job covering the patsy. Now, do some research on the actual killers…. https://x.com/deepwebslinger/status/1966817311060287534?s=42
Kash has some explaining to do.
Democrat in Congress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Min
You may tell by my stage name I might be from Alaska. Growing up eating moose meat because hamburger was expensive. We always aimed for the lungs center mass and we would always have our hunting buddy back up in case of many things. But we certainly did not want to allow him to be wasted. Like hitting him in the neck the bullet would simply pass thru the flesh coming out the other side. Has anyone did the trajectory and found who was in the path. Just another overthinking thought. God Bless enjoy the day.
Thankyou for this comment…my thoughts as well!
The website for Charlie Kirk has a tribute to him with many recent and older materials.
http://www.charliekirk.com
The media pointed at Charlie Kirk and said he was one of Hitler’s followers. They never knew who he really followed because they are non believers.
They killed a Billy Graham not a Adolph Eichmann.
Yeah. They killed the nicest guy we had like he was the pinnacle of hurty words. Kinda sets the tone about how they view the rest of us. This army of freaks has been years in the making.
“Because they shot the guy who tried the approach of talking it out.”
https://nitter.poast.org/TheLastRefuge2/status/1966573389348565494#m
Usually, I agree with what you write, Sundance, but in this case, I respectfully disagree. I, too, have been writing and researching for the last decade on the powers, both domestic and foreign, who continue to destroy our country. The premeditated murder of Charlie Kirk was not done alone. And yes, that foreign influence was most likely Bibi.
I’m interested in the engraving on the bullets. I didn’t know engraving was a thing, but from what I’ve read about how that is done, it doesn’t sound like equipment two 20-somethings would have in their apartment. Is that the type of thing you can order online like you do when you order a name tag for your pet? Doesn’t seem likely. Any thoughts?
Yes. I’ve recently been flooded with ads to purchase engravers online for cheap.
Altering ammunition sounds like a great way to have a catastrophic failure of a functioning weapons system..
then again “I’m only paid from the neck down”..
This must be something spawned from those dumbass video games where the object is to kill everyone 20 hours a day.
“This must be something spawned from those dumbass video games where the object is to kill everyone 20 hours a day.”
Hubby agrees and adds that these video games all have a Reset Button. They think nothing is permanent, or not of themselves.
Don’t like the game? reset. Get “killed” playing? reset. Don’t want certain other players in your space? reset.
It’s easy to see why some appear to become detached from reality.
He/she’s/ it’s/they/ them/Furries/Antifa/BLM/…..The Left murdered Charlie because they can’t handle the truth…Plain & Simple.
And the most evil among them don’t want anybody else to hear the truth, because they know how “dangerous” truth can be.
Damn. Great stuff. I knew desantis was behind it all and u put it all together