Abandoned by his father to a troubled single mother; eventually raised by grandparents. He is then recruited from an Ivy league law school by shadow figures, a specific billionaire and a network of interests. He changes his name, writes a book about his life story, and with the support of the aforementioned – who eventually pays for a strategic campaign, becomes a Senator for 2 years before being quickly elevated into position in the White House.
Many people reading that paragraph are familiar with the life story of Barack Hussien Obama. However, that paragraph is not describing Obama, that paragraph describes James Donald Bowman, aka J.D. Vance.
On one side, we have an emotionally constructed political figure for the left. On the other side, we see an emotionally constructed political figure for the right. Each person, each emotional narrative, carrying the specific nuances to appeal to their audience; both follow the same playbook.
J.D. Vance was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio (August 2, 1984). He then changed his name to James David Bowman. He then changed his name to James David Hamel. Eventually, in 2014, notably after Yale Law School (class of 2013, and after marrying his wife Usha, now age 30, he changed his name to write a book.
It was 2014, that’s when J.D. Vance was born.
Vance’s book, Hillbilly Elegy was published by Rupert Murdoch’s publishing house, Harper Collins in 2016. The book was made into a Netflix movie, [Reed Hastings] created by Imagine Entertainment and directed by Ron Howard (2020).
However, the interesting background on J.D. Vance goes back to Yale, and the Obamaesque tap on the shoulder that comes from a billionaire most are familiar with, Peter Thiel (PayPal and Palantir).
Thiel first recruited Vance into his circle while Vance was still a student at Yale Law School. Shortly thereafter, Vance joined Thiel’s investment firm Mithril Capital, where he worked for two years before joining Revolution Ventures. Vance played a major role in Revolution’s “Rise of the Rest” seed fund whose major investors included Amazon’s Jeff Bezos. {Citation}
J.D. Vance then launched his own venture capital firm Narya Capital in 2020, using startup money from both Peter Thiel and former Google CEO Eric Schmidt.
From this timeline, we can see how J.D. Vance went from no money (student loans) in 2013, to big money in 2020. Everything came via Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt, but mostly Thiel.
To understand J.D. Vance as an Ohio Senator, we visit the inflection points in 2013 and the subsequent relationship with billionaire Peter Thiel (Palantir Technologies). The timeline from 2013 to now becomes important.
Billionaires Eric Schmidt and Peter Thiel are key members of the steering committee of the controversial, closed-door, and overtly globalist Bilderberg conference. Newsweek once called Schmidt and Thiel the two most influential figures at Bilderberg.
Peter Thiel’s company, Palantir Tech, is the driving force of a global surveillance system using artificial intelligence (AI).
Palantir has massive contract interests in U.S. military and intelligence communities.
Keep in mind, Palantir is the current company creating the tech mechanisms for the U.S. government to conduct foreign and domestic surveillance.
The actual technology needed by the Deep State, to advance their interests, is provided by Peter Thiel. {Citation}
According to the popular narrative, J.D. Vance opposes the Intelligence Community deep surveillance state, while simultaneously being the political front for the interests of Peter Thiel and Palantir Technology. This doesn’t reconcile.
Peter Thiel was the money and network behind the 2022 Ohio Senate race between J.D. Vance and Tim Ryan.
It was Peter Thiel who took J.D. Vance to meet President Trump in Mar-a-Lago to get the needed endorsement to launch Vance into the U.S. Senate. Without Peter Thiel there is no Senator J.D. Vance.
It is also important to remember that prior to 2018, prior to Peter Thiel becoming aligned with the FBI as a confidential human source, and prior to Vance needing the Trump endorsement, J.D. Vance was a staunch never-Trumper.
J.D. Vance went from calling President Trump “a literal Hitler,” to appreciating Trump’s incredible leadership – a remarkable shift in opinion. To his strategic credit, Peter Thiel was successful in gaining both the Trump endorsement and the winning outcome of the 2022 Ohio Senate race. That success was now Senator J.D. Vance.
Within the Thiel network, you will note the aligned interests of another key financial friend and big federal contractor, Elon Musk. Together, Elon Musk and Peter Thiel form the core of a very wealthy group of modern tech political influence agents, including another Yale Law School graduate and J.D. Vance supporter, Vivek Ramaswamy.
J.D. Vance named one of his three children Vivek. Suffice to say, they are close.
What you have read so far is the background of how a billionaire, Peter Thiel, deeply enmeshed in the surveillance state, creates the process for the advancement of his interests. A few dozen millions are a worthy investment if the investment creates and supports the objectives of the billionaire (Palantir Technology).
As an outcome of an influence network in 2006, Senator Barack Obama was successfully installed. As an outcome of an influence network in 2022, Senator J.D. Vance was successfully installed.
Both Barry Sotero (Obama) and James Bowman (Vance) are mirror images of each other; the playbooks used to create both are identical. One went through the path of community activism, the other through the military. Both paths have a target audience.
We have long discussed the UniParty operation in Washington DC. What was once a radical concept and controversial, is now accepted as reality.
We have also outlined the how the Fourth Branch of Government was created under Obama. What was once conspiracy theory is now accepted as the truth.
Once we accept how both wings of the UniParty operate, we then see how the system works. The Obama network ultimately led to the modern IC surveillance state. The Vance network now appears to be positioned to benefit from it.
Unfortunately, much like an abuser toward the abused, our ideological enemy uses our virtues of love and trust as weapons. We are in an abusive relationship with government.
♦ STRATEGIC OPTIMISM – In everything that happens, the geopolitical power players -including the Intelligence Community- have what are called “strategic interests.” Meaning, they plan out their future position based on current events (data), pathways and predictions.
Some of these power structures are, putting it mildly, not good. In fact, they are eroding liberty, freedom and making us serfs, while creating a system of political elites. We feel it daily.
In order to best weaken, or make them more vulnerable, the best strategy is to put them into a position where they cannot plan for the future because they cannot predict the waypoints in their path.
Having a known 2028 U.S. presidential nominee gives them the ability to plan for it. They are able to make moves to get beyond the 2024 to 2028 challenges they face; they look toward who they will be faced with as an opponent in ’28.
From that position, they conduct enemy operations against Trump’s strategy…. they essentially plan to outlast him, ignore him, put on a mask when they talk to him, etc.
President Trump, making it known who will be the ’28 nominee, gives his opposition power. Essentially making Trump’s position less strong.
Had Trump selected a “one-term” running mate (I don’t care who it would have been), the opposition would not know what to expect in 2028. They would be forced to focus every day on what Trump is doing. The opposition cannot look forward (proactive) beyond Trump. They are forced to react. They are kept vulnerable.
Do you want your enemies planning, or do you want them reacting to the unknown variables?
Do you want them focused on your attack, or do you want them brushing you off as irrelevant in the longer term?
Do you want them on their heels each day/week as they try to figure out what you are doing…. or do you want them to know the destination ahead, regardless of the daily or weekly policy moves?
By selecting a VP nominee that will be the 2028 presidential nominee (what 90% of short-sighted people wanted), Trump would give greater power to the ideological enemy.
For the next 3.5 years, to achieve the maximum benefit from President Trump, the deep state at home and geopolitical enemy abroad must not know what they will face in the future.
From that position of potential vulnerability, they are forced to focus on daily events and counterstrategies, while unable -by design- to compromise the future opponent.
I never resign Trump to a failed position, as long as there is a way to turn a necessary decision into a winning and more powerful position.
The problem of Peter Thiel, his network, and the potential problem J.D. Vance represents can be dealt with.
President Donald J. Trump makes it very well known, and constantly reminds people for 3 years, that if J.D. Vance sucks, flinches, is inept or doesn’t follow orders, then J.D. Vance doesn’t get the 2028 endorsement.
Thankfully, we see indications of this beginning with President Trump’s acceptance speech at the RNC Convention and continuing throughout today – including during an interview this week on Fox and Friends, where Trump noted Marco Rubio would be a good option for 2028.
For Trump supporters and all supporters of the goal to deconstruct the worst and most toxic elements of the Deep State, we should support a tenuous 2028 endorsement message. After all, we are expecting Vice President J.D. Vance to uphold actionable policies against the interests of his benefactors.
Those benefactors, and the aligned Vance influence network, include Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg, Vivek Ramaswamy and of course, many more.
I don’t care about anything that happened prior to the 2013 inflection point, the tap on the shoulder at Yale.
James Donald Bowman, aka J.D. Vance’s background construct, as lived or as sold, is irrelevant to me. We do not have the time to be emotionally attached to any individual. We need actionable results.
We are not going to be battered conservatives, pushed yet again into the position of Charlie Brown to Lucy’s deep state, ‘trust the plan‘ football. The trust account of the American electorate is bankrupt. Corruption is running amok.
The threat to J.D. Vance’s political career must be actual, loud and repeated often to keep the toxic IC and domestic Silo operators guessing. While simultaneously, every righteous attack takes down a small IC silo segment like a bite out of an elephant.
We also accept that this rather deliberate approach is likely to make Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance and the entire Thiel/Musk network quite unhappy.
♦ SURVEILLANCE STATE – The research article positions the relationship between J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel as a serious challenge – here’s why.
Since his original endorsement of Donald Trump in 2016 (a good thing), billionaire tech executive Peter Thiel has expanded his company, Palantir Technology, to be the leading edge of an AI enhanced data-processing system.
The Palantir tech is designed to use artificial intelligence (AI) to crawl through massive sets of surveillance data, phone data, facial recognition data, metadata (writ large) etc.
In essence, Palantir Tech is receiving government contracts (Defense and Intel) to use the Palantir AI tools to analyze/filter a massive amount of electronic data, and take action based on results from the data, or what might be called SIGNIT (Signals Intelligence). There are billions at stake in this relationship.
In short, Thiel has a vested financial interest in providing AI surveillance filtration tools to the U.S. government.
Ok fine. That’s just a simple acceptance of what Thiel’s company does now. And Thiel recruited J.D. Vance, back in 2012/2013 while at Yale law school, and personally financed JD’s entry into the world of politics in 2020/2021.
Thiel leveraged his relationship with Donald Trump to get J.D. Vance the Ohio primary endorsement in 2022, and the rest is history. Fair enough. Nothing disputed.
Here’s where things get sticky….
Thiel’s company, Palantir Tech, provides the AI metadata analytic tools used by the U.S. government in their national security efforts. The government access to that metadata comes, in part, as an outcome of the legislative FISA authorization.
As a consequence, eliminating, say… FISA(702) surveillance processes, is against the financial interests of Peter Thiel. If the U.S. government cannot access the dataset, the U.S. govt doesn’t need Palantir’s AI filtration tech. That’s just the nature of the relationship.
Again, this is just a cold, factual acceptance of the situation.
Would J.D. Vance support the elimination of FISA(702), FISA Courts, or the National Security Division of the DOJ (something that forms the foundation of removing the worst elements of the Deep State), knowing that action would be adverse to the interests of his benefactor and mentor, Peter Thiel?
Again, just a question. Perhaps he would, perhaps not; however, a review of history shows the odds are not in our favor.
I mean, there is a reason why Thiel recruited, financed, supported and guided Vance to the position he is now in, correct?
Elon Musk’s entire business model, sans X (maybe) is contingent upon government contracts and policy.
Regardless of his altruistic disposition, or lack thereof, Musk’s enterprises, Tesla and Space-X, do not exist without direct government funding or indirect govt support via policy.
Peter Thiel is essentially in the same position with Palantir Tech, unless the U.S. Government gave him permission to sell his services to foreign adversaries. Not likely.
Many are looking at J.D. Vance as the guy, maybe one of the ‘guys’, who can finally confront the worst elements of the Deep State. However, the worst elements of the Deep State, the surveillance and control silos, are in a synergistic relationship with Vance’s benefactors.
Will Vance willingly tear apart the surveillance state that will create a negative financial outcome for those who put him into office? My note of caution is, ‘Don’t get your hopes up.’
I mean, seriously think about it. Musk puts up USG satellites that monitor stuff. The low-earth-orbit monitoring results (data signals) are returned to the USG. The data signals are then analyzed by AI tech created by Thiel.
Another way to look at it: Elon Musk puts the camera on your face; Peter Thiel tells the govt where you went.
♦ BIG PICTURE – Are the newest group of billionaire Silicon Valley tech leaders currently supporting MAGA Trump/Vance, really a modern assembly of the Green Dragon rebels in Boston, plotting the next Tea Party rebellion? Or are they simply just the other side of a new modern Technocratic control system, aligned with and dependent on government?
The Obama-era ‘Technocracy‘ was based on public-private partnerships with social media. This was the origin of the surveillance state that now scours, controls, filters, censors and ultimately monetizes your social media data profile. The operational and business model is cemented into the process now. Everyone accepts it. Terms and conditions apply, and if you don’t agree, you can’t use.
Is the pending Trump-era ‘Technocracy‘ a rebrand, pushing social media off to the side (that part is done) and bringing data processing control agents, artificial intelligence software designers, big money venture capitalists, banks and those who are creating digital id systems? Do Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg and Vivek Ramaswamy, now occupy the empty chairs around the table of Technocracy?
Was the 5/10-year business model, in the mind of tech billionaire Peter Thiel, what led him to recruit J.D. Vance in 20? Was it a financial decision blended with ideology to guide, finance and support J.D .Vance all the way to 2022 and 2024? Was J.D. Vance an investment?
Truly, I suspect our gut knows the answer.
That’s why my approach is to say, “Here’s the factual data – trust your instincts.”
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Around this time someone will snark, saying my assembling this perspective indicates President Trump is an idiot, or something.
NO! President Trump is not stupid, or naïve!
CTH has painstakingly outlined how the silo process within the Deep State works. You have more information about that process. You have more knowledge about that process.
All of us, courtesy of dozens of brilliant researchers here and in lots of other places on the internet, have a far more comprehensive understanding of how the systems within the D.C. administrative state work than any subset of professional politicians or their staff.
Are you stupid or naïve? No. None of us are.
However, many of us are sick and tired of having the virtue of our patriotism weaponized against us. For reference, see DHS, ODNI, CISA, TSA, The Patriot Act, or any other of the myriads of crisis-created legislative solutions, later turned into tools by bad actors that inevitably diminish freedom.
I was sitting at dinner with a good person, who happened to be the head, the tipy-top, of one of the most connected IC silos in Washington DC, and that person laughed recalling situations where they walked into their office many days and frustratingly shouted at their staff, “Who the f**k is leaking information to this guy,” meaning me. No one was leaking anything, and the entire organization was just as surprised as the leader of it.
My point is that many ordinary Americans know far more about the interconnectedness of DC silo operations, than the people within the individual silos can fathom. They are stuck inside a created system of compartmentalization; we are not.
The overwhelming odds are that you know more than your federal representative. That fact doesn’t make you smarter than President Donald J. Trump, it just means you have a different set of researched datapoints that create a different understanding.
Additionally, President Trump doesn’t “vet” anyone; someone else does the “vetting” for him. That vetting helps him to make decisions, it doesn’t exclusively determine the final decision.
No one is stupid in this discussion. No one knows all the information. The fact-finding is a process of information assembly, that permits guidance to decision making. That’s it.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) might have been a good decision at the time, until it starts getting weaponized later on.
Given the nature of the political landscape, Senator J.D. Vance was a good selection for Veep. A candidate for the office of the vice presidency that positioned President Trump, and the people around him, to be able to start putting countermeasures into place to stop government weaponization, a seemingly out of control surveillance state.
Senator J.D. Vance helped to unite the various Republican clans.
Perhaps more valuable, his selection reduced the possibility of the Silicon Valley Technocrats working against OUR interests – as we look to control THEIR influence.
More importantly, Senator J.D. Vance made winning in November of 2024 slightly more likely. That was the key value in his personage.
Perhaps Vance is a technocratic tool; perhaps he’s a MAGA ally; who really knows?
The bottom line is we must understand the context of everything that comes with Vance, nothing more.
Trust God, and for everyone else – watch them like a hawk, while you live your best life.
We won in November. We have an opportunity to start putting countermeasures and guardrails into place that will seemingly impede the efforts of the bad operators within each IC silo. Simultaneously, we need to identify who each bad actor is. We can see DNI Tulsi Gabbard working earnestly on this effort.
This larger mission is the reversal of weaponization, and a restoration of representation that believes in freedom. I am both optimistic and clear-eyed about the nature of the challenges we face.
“Pray for a good winter, but plant lots of cabbages.”
Interesting.
Put me in camp Rubio but how does Rubio mount a successful campaign for the top job without Trump’s backing?
Vance is going to do his darnedest to stay in Trump’s graces but I found it interesting that he reached out to Elon perhaps to give him some sort of leverage on Trump?
Trump handled Elon rather easily but I don’t know if Vance has the ability to reign him in much less take him down if necessary as Trump was able to.
You would vote for the globalist Rubio? Good grief you people are dense.
I told a friend that Judas Pence is gonna be JD Vance’s biggest obstacle to overcome in 2028. MAGA has major PTSD from 1 backstabbing VP. We won’t blindly trust another. He is gonna have to prove himself time and time and time again. We have a deep bench too. Stephen Miller, Rubio, Bessent, Lutnick, Greer, Noem, etc.
The pickings aren’t slim so we won’t be falling for a Pence out of sheer necessity!
thats what they think.
keeps them off his ass thinking they are going to get the torch
vance isnt.
vance is not going to get it.2 others more proved will
As Governor, and later after the 2020 election, Pence quickly retreated when confronted by liberal criticism. For example, after Pence signed a Religious Freedom Protect Act, he retreated and signed a “revision” which prevented religious people from refusing to provide services to gays, forcing them to bake and decorate gay wedding cakes if asked to do so. In short, Pence has been “squishy,” but I haven’t seen any such behavior in Vance.
Pence, as with so many RINO’s including Gov. Abbott, has been largely performative.
The performative crowd is overtly or quietly aligned with the left. They are the UniParty. They are our adversaries. They want us to accept a status quo that is no longer tolerated and why we elected Donald Trump three times.
If ever we needed men and women of action, it is now.
There are promising developments but our influence over the rogue agencies and bureaucrats is tenuous. The courts remain an effective tool to thwart MAGA.
I see a lot of negatives in Vance’s past given his associations. I’m eyes wide open for all the judas Pences in the making.
Vance is worlds smarter than Pence but that doesn’t make me feel better about him. It makes me more wary.
hoosiertruthfan,
My assessment is that Vance is trustworthy. He was the best Senator on trade probably because he grew up in working class Ohio and knew many people who lost their jobs when factories were shipped overseas.
He is the type of brilliant but likeable person who rises to the top because other people choose to mentor him. Alexander Hamilton was the same sort of person. George Washington was his main mentor, but he had other mentors before Washington. As a result of his mentors and his brilliance, he, like Vance, rose from humble beginnings to become one of the strongest contributors to our country’s success.
I understand though I remain wary.
As evidenced by the recent Sundance posts regarding Outline 5, the surveillance state is our enemy.
Vance is aligned with many that are utterly wrapped up in a surveillance state. It is their bread and butter and also their dogma.
You can be good on trade and ambivalent to the basic tenets of liberty.
President Trump seems to have a better North Star on this front but it may be his age.
Time will tell.
…but never president 😉
In God We Trust, but everyone else pays cash!
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I have bad news for everyone who is invested in nitpicking over our crop of actually pretty exemplary possibles compared with the usual politicians: The perfect is the enemy of the good, and…
There is no person who can match Donald J. Trump.
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It is NOT nitpicking.!!!! Good grief, It is a serious and rational concern over whether or not Vance is loyal to his benefactors (the power and money hungry globalists) or the American people and the Republic for which it stands. If history is our guide, my money is on Vance will side with the nefarious characters who financed him.
yes there is. 2 people are proving themselves.
the disadvantagr for vance is he really cant prove
“Metanoia”
Name changes are a red flag for me. People who do this are running or hiding from something. It’s too bad, as I enjoy listening to JD speak and he’s quite sharp and witty, and maybe that is the whole point.
His connections are questionable. There is a Private Pyle about him, though, I can’t put my finger on it.
Tulsi Gabbard for President 2028
Name changes are weird but, his cousin often attends my church and sometimes even is invited to be guest pastor and his last name is Vance. So I’m wondering if maybe he had a stepdads name and eventually changed it back to the family name or something, because Vance is the real family name.
That’s what my research shows; I’ve always been leery of presidents and candidates with name changes after Bubba Blythe.
His mother’s maiden name was Vance. He was raised by his maternal grandparents. I think, with the writing of the book, it does make sense to use their name – the book is all about the great migration of southern/Appalachian people to the now Rust Belt for manufacturing jobs that dried up – leaving towns full of stuck people with homes nobody wants to buy and no jobs.
Yes it is his grandma’s last time. She literally raised him. Bowman is the last name of his father who abandoned him at a young age.
There’s no big mystery or dark secret about the name changes. If any of us had an upbringing like Vance’s, we might have taken the same path. In fact, I have a good friend whose original name was that of his biological father. They divorced and then his legal name was changed back to his mother’s maiden name. When she remarried and her husband adopted her son, he got a new legal last name. He’s had Three legal names and is definitely not “hiding or running from anything.” Things happen. Give Vance a break here.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-republicans-vice-president-vance-name-359c3d1361c94f5d2d1e9798b7854477
My upbringing wasn’t as problematic as Vance’s, but it was no walk in the park. My parents divorced when I was 3. My mother married my stepfather and the half-sibling factory fired up. As more kiddos came along, I was running around as a 7-year-old with a last name that didn’t match the last name of everyone else in my household. I was self-conscious about it. So for a while, I grabbed their last name so I didn’t have to try to explain why mine was different. That “phase” didn’t last long, and I reverted back to my own last name. No mystery. Nothing underhanded.
id never think for one second in my damn life to change my name
vances childhood isnt so rare compared to us.
he wasnt a forgotten man. he was a forgotten man refugee among the elites
he is projected to aid thiel in not sabotaging PDJT.
the torch will be poiinted to him and walked right past him at the last second
Thank you for your clarity on the name change.
JD’s name change is better explained than that of “Dan Patrick” the Lt Gov of Texas. Owed almost a million dollars to creditors, declared bankruptcy and changed his name to Dan Patrick and went into politics. What wolf in sheep’s clothing. Never made it to Gov. but not for lack of trying. I hope he is aged out now. A real Bushie.
they both are losers
Sounds reasonable to me. Terrible background. Father left them so cross out Bowman. Then his mother got remarried so the name Hamel. But decided to settle on his grandmother’s name Vance since she raised him. Nothing wrong with that.
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JD Vance changed his name multiple times due to his complicated family history, including his parents’ divorce and his upbringing by his grandparents. He ultimately adopted his grandmother’s surname, Vance, to honor her role in his life and to distance himself from his biological and adoptive father’s names.https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/m.economictimes.com.ico The Economic Timeshttps://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.yahoo.com.ico Yahoo
Background of JD Vance’s Name ChangesJD Vance, born James Donald Bowman, has changed his name multiple times throughout his life due to his complex family history and personal identity.
Early Life and Initial Name
His parents divorced when he was six, which he described as a significant emotional event. This led to a series of changes in his life.
Adoption and Middle Name Change
Final Name Change to VanceIn 2013, Vance legally changed his last name to Vance, honoring his maternal grandparents who raised him after his mother struggled with substance abuse. This change reflected his desire to connect with his true identity and family heritage.
Summary of Name ChangesNAMEREASON FOR CHANGEJames Donald BowmanBirth name, linked to biological fatherJames David HamelAdopted name after mother’s marriageJD VanceFinal name change to honor grandparents and identity
These changes illustrate Vance’s journey of self-discovery and his efforts to align his name with his personal history.
well youd be fun playing poker with if you accepted this so easily
how many commenters on this site do you think had a harder life than Vance ( with no recognition and glory like he is getting) that didnt change their name due to influence, siggestion, narrativing
If you read his book you will understand the reasons for his name changes. Nothing sinister.
thats the point of obamas book tooo
geeeze
this is gonna be antother epstein issue becuse people cabt just seee. they got to bite a million times then finally agree, after
I think Vance was a good pick for 2024 but something about him bothers me..His use of “you guys” and his mannerisms mimic Trump’s..this is a tactic to win approval of that person..I predict he will not be the nominee for 2028. My pick is Rubio/Gabbard.
we got a thinker!
Or maybe the other way around! Either way it would be the “dynamic duo”!
I’m bothered more by his connections (allegiance?) to Theil than the name changes.
bought and paid for just like Obama. I don’t see a JD Vance after Trump, something not right there. Could be the red dot on his head in Indian drapes is a turn off, for me his loyalties are questionable
Yes, he would definitely have divided interests on a number of levels.
I posted far down below in the comments, but I really have tried to grow cabbage organically. Even bought expensive boron that is a supplement cabbage needs to grow. I learned you can plant all the cabbage you want, put it won’t necessarily grow. Good catch phrase though by Vance.
If this much planning does into grooming politicians Trump is in their pockets too. The only reason he is doing what he is doing now is that the puppet masters are using him as a safety valve to do what we want at the moment to let off steam so no real grass roots leadership gets off the ground.
This is exactly why the States need to convene and take back their powers from the federal government. https://conventionofstates.com/
Think about what you are saying for at least one second.
Think of what we know now AND accept as fact—that we didn’t know about BEFORE 2016. Sundance pointed out some of it in this excellent piece. Do you THINK “they” wanted us to know this? This used to be all tin-hat conspiracy theorists stuff.
Second, just think about the MSM. I suspected they were somewhat biased. I never really thought that they were outright corrupt. 45 exposed this. Do you think “they” wanted us to know this?
45-47 exposed how corrupt our government is and put in place people that are actually exposing it, like Tulsi, RFK, even Elon/DOGE and many others. Do you think “they” wanted this to happen?
Last, the stuff that’s gone on to stop and get rid of 45-47 has been relentless. That’s because “they” are afraid of what he’s exposing or trying to expose and clean up. Do you THINK if he was bought and paid (you know, in someone’s pocket) he wouldn’t had to endure that? Do you think he would’ve endured that if that was the case (being in someone’s pocket)? He would’ve just made his life easier and walked away.
There are two things that matter in the next election or elections. First, that the person feels he’s rich enough and doesn’t have to enrich himself more (just like 47 doesn’t need anymore money). That can mean different things for different people. The issue is even if they have a network of $5-10 million, which would be enough for most people, would the lure of $100 million or more be too much of a lure? It could be for a lot of people. The second and even bigger issue, if they could withstand that lure of money, do they feel safe enough and confident enough that they wouldn’t get suicided from the people that “helped” them get there.
We already know $5-10 million was not enough for the Clinton clan..
Here’s his net worth according to ChatGPT. e need more:
Summary TableSourceEstimated Net WorthForbes / Investopedia~ $10 millionCBS News / The Week$4.8 million – $11.3 millionTime (real estate value)~ $4 millionCelebrity Net Worth~ $5 million
Bottom line: The most consistent and credible estimate—supported by Forbes and disclosure ranges—is around $10 million, though estimate ranges span from $5 million to over $11 million depending on what’s included (real estate, investments, crypto, liabilities, royalties).
Isn’t it strange that I read that Thiel is doing a private expensive series on the subject of the anti-christ?
I think MAGA will rise up for another candidate. I don’t think even if Trump endorses the wrong one folks will follow. I notice a lot of bigoted replies in political forums. The leftist Karen’s have men not wanting women the right to vote. They are also extreme bigots not just against women, but also Vivek type Indians.
All of this said. I think Tulsi Gabbard should run for President as the Indy. We are all nearly done trying to reform the GOP. But the GOP has a big treasure chest. So maybe stay small “r”?
Tucker Carlson threw out two odd things with no follow up. -He was attacked by a demon. and -Murdoch offered to bankroll him challenging Trump. He didn’t really say, no. He saw it wouldn’t work. His texts said he despised Trump and MAGA were cousin frickers.. I think a lot of masks will come off including JD Vance. Will people be shocked as they were with Pence? Or like me, read the tea leaves better?
The FBI Dir. sold Q scarves and socks and I was never in Bongino’s army. Nor did I take the Flynn oath of being a Q soldier. It is all a bit much when Ka$h used to post a new pair of boots he just bought worth more than people’s mortgage. No biggie Ka$h is a baller for fed badge. But his own special agent pilot was the lead Trump FBI raid agent. They hired Jensen and were warned. Yet Julie Kelly defended them. They are in over their skies enjoying the jets and limo protection escorts.
There isn’t much time. Maybe Patel and Bongino can take Bondi with them? When FBI whistle blowers are all on X wondering why they were left in the dark. It makes you wonder. Who is behind the Q psyop.? Elon posted photos of Q related things. Qatar and our CIA, or Mossad and our CIA? Why would Patel be behind the psyop or was he turning it on the bad guys using it?
What does Devin Nunes think of the Q influencers?
Thank you.
Everyone has an agenda.
You can’t trust Rubio for that matter. He was on the Senate Intelligence Committee sharing leadership with sleaze bag Warner.
name the date he got that position.
or quit bringing it up because the idea is betraying you dude to conflation
Too many don’t have the foggiest notion how those committees work. Paranoia often due o ignorance.
Marco also hung out with Graham & McCain in 2012-13…not really feeling it for him. Let’s see how he handles the State Dept.
Gabbard/Rubio
This is an EXCELLENT summation of where we are and what we know and don’t know!
Is Rubio really changed? He was part of the IC for a long time? Can and will Vance be the new Vance or revert to the Never-trumper Vance.
It seems Rubio has changed. Vance IS saying all the right things. But, it’s easy to do when you don’t have to show your true colors—when you aren’t the one in charge.
Tulsi seems to be the real deal. She is doing and saying all the right things AND putting her neck out on the line.
I think 47 learned a lot from 45. He’s got a lot more people in place that are either loyal or appear loyal while not overtly submarining him and his agenda. Think Pence. think Prebis. Think Barr. Think Pompeo. And many others.
My way out, far out, tinfoil hat prediction is that 47 is looking at being ‘28 because ‘16 was sabotaged and subterfuged and ‘20 was stolen. Will it happen? Very very small chance. But I’m hoping it does. Who knows, maybe those Epstein files will prove to be of some value!
Keep an open mind.
Keep your skeptic’s hat firmly on your head.
Get your news & information from various sources, both trustworthy and not so trustworthy.
Then form your own conclusions. Then refine as necessary.
Yes. Yes. Yes. And YES!
No Pretending.
Always a hallmark if CTH.
How does the Aspiration Partnership investigation fit into the tech bro landscape? Very little coverage of the prosecution this green investing/carbon credit scam.
https://archive.ph/2025.01.13-184951/https://www.dailywire.com/news/exclusive-green-investor-climate-change-activist-charged-with-securities-fraud
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/joseph-sanberg-co-founder-aspiration-partners-arrested-conspiring-defraud-investment
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/aspiration-partners-co-founder-charged-and-agrees-plead-guilty-248m-scheme-defraud-investors
The investigation was conducted by the FBI, &…USPIS.
USPIS investigated leaks with Durham, starting March 2017.
Will the founders of Aspiration get 20 yrs?
Will prosecutions go further in this carbon credit/laundering scam?
Pray salvation for our leaders but plant the seeds of the word in your own mind.
They are of the world and do the things of their father.
We seek a knowledge of the Truth and have confidence in our assurance. We have a preeminent source to perceive these circumstances that are emitted throughout history. It doesn’t matter if you believe it or not just as the echelons of world power are fostered by more than mere ego prophecy will be fulfilled.
The question is do you believe in the power of prayer? I love this place, it is a gift of God through the Spirit by the Lord Christ Jesus.
Sundance. I can see several viable patriots, men and women, in Trump’s orbit who would be excellent candidates for 2028. Any one of them should be able to overcome any commucrat cheat that the left can attempt to steal yet another election. JD Vance’s rise, however it came about, is very similar to Obama’s as you described. I would rather have him than a person from the left in the mold of Obama to be the potential front runner in 2028. I still curse Ted Kennedy for supporting the unknown, to us, Obama.
It’s like sleeping with snakes. I feel like I don’t have enough eyes; it’s all so overwhelming.
God bless and keep America, President Trump, Sundance and his team, and us.
its all under control. keep talking so the nsa steeers in our favor
Good article. I’ve never trusted Vance and I never will. One of my issues with Vance is:
26 former US Presidents were lawyers.
if the left cant call him a nazi we got an issue
As is 73% of Congress, hmmmm.
Paypal Mafia = Digital currency = Surveillable, trackable, and controllable. It will not arise from the Federal Reserve which will be discredited but will be derived from private side of economy as a solution for Federal currency control. Arising from the private side of the equation, it will not be beholden to the US Constitution which prevents surveillance of its citizens yet Congress will still maintain regulatory management of a Corporation. Government + Corporate = …….. You know what that is. The only part of the equation obviously absent is you. You are not part of the equation and those above you are controlling the Corporate levers.
thiel is honorable in his fight
his agenda is diff than ours.
money is just a system with falsified value.
crypto can do that easy
chucky cheese coins to get sodas and rent
One of your best articles @sundance! Thank you for writing this.
I have said all along, no matter the gains, regarding our children and grand children, we are all going to regret ignoring Palantir’s implementation into this administration. However, I will say, it was going to happen with any administration. Your dinner pic says it all.
Naming the eyes of Sauron “Palantir” is sort of “in your face” from the Isengard people, amirite?
”the great awakening” can anybody define it until it’s here or passes? Many try, but like Jesus crucified it never was seen as it was actually happening, just core principles. The religious leaders knew who he was and they crucified Jesus to keep power.
So, I can see the season is coming where people awaken to the total corruption of men and will turn towards God. Exactly what that will look like is a mystery so don’t squelch what we do not know. I know this it must align with the manual.
Having said that, I have no question in my mind we are ruled by those demonically influenced, possessed, obsessed, with the dark arts.
So we know end times the demons begin to squirm because they see what’s coming for them. But, the people who take in these entities also begin to lose sanity, their influence will weaken and the hidden will be exposed.
We see the demonic all day everyday now……and it’s in people. It’s “cool” to be perverse, tattooed, lawless, without responsibility. And read psalms 1 it explains judgement. We are judged by God we are to judge these who are not with Gods spirit in them.
I go on these tangents but judge, do not condemn.
Bravo, excellence as usual!!
I really commend you Sundance for laying all this out for the people so that they can make informed decisions about who should lead the country and who could actually win after Trump. Vance’s fans remind me of Obama’s fans in 2008. They’re insufferable. The worship of him that I see on a day to day basis is sickening. In fact, I think his supporters will end up hurting him the most. No matter how many times you lay out the case of why he’s wrong for the presidency in 2028, they simply will not hear it. While I do not hate Vance, and think that’s he is a decent person, I don’t trust him for the reasons you have stated over and again. Especially don’t trust the tech folk who are crowding him.
When I see and hear the names that are being thrown around for 2028, I’m really shocked that so many in MAGA are so dumb. Rubio? Are you kidding? Look, he’s doing a really good job as SOS but he’s not a person I would want to see take over when Trump is gone and what I fear most about someone like him would be letting all the wrong people from Bush world get a hold on the white house again.
To be really honest, I wish Trump would run again in 2028. But after he torched 1/2 of his supporters and told them on Truth Social that he doesn’t want their support anymore after the Epstein thing, I find it hard to believe that he ever wants to run again as I never seen ANY politician call out his supporters over a single issue like that before.
But what if he does want to? What would be his reasoning for going for a third term? He would have to be worried about his legacy and, most importantly, the fact that there will be SO MUCH that only he feels he can do to correct the course for this country. Would he want to risk giving it over to someone who will basically give it over to a MAGA in establishment clothing or worse a radical socialist democrat? Does he care about things like that?
When it comes to 2028, you really never know who that person will be. With Trump’s two terms, I feel like we’ve broken from the hoary GOP “it’s his turn” tradition all others be damned like with Romney in 2012 and McCain in 2008. I think it could be anyone. I like Tulsi but I think being a former Democrat would be too much for MAGA to accept. She’s also a woman obviously and I really believe that a majority of Americans will not accept a female president from either side.
Right now, I’m leaning towards Secretary Hegseth. As with Trump, we really never had a president who was a real business man and look at how great he’s doing. It’s been a really, really long time since we’ve had a president with a warrior background. Pete Hegseth is also not a career politician.
some crucial differences: unlike obama’s, JD’s grandparents were not Communists. And obama’s ‘elevation to the White House’ was right into the presidency. JD was elected vice president. I like JD and I like Donald Trump, but I bet a paragraph of spin like this could make even Trump sound like a bad guy.
you will hear this soon…
” hi im launching my company that does DOS-like attacks surveillance nodes with bad data corrupting its use”
” we cyber bully AIs until they kill themselves”
” we feed databases with bullshit until their contracts are void”
This is surly one of the best political analysis articles I have yet consumed. Such inside and outside of the box conceptualizing. I wandered in the wilderness in and around DC for almost forty years. It seems to me that inflated egos were common and truth rare. Pride ruled as the crown of sins. Now Greed seems to have stolen the crown. Oh for a few good incorruptible men and women with solid internal values and a sense of service driving their actions. How about reducing that deficit Mr. President?!
I’m with Sundance all the way. As my dear departed Dad used to say, “This is a tale with no hair on it!” Vance’s tale (tail) certainly lacks the “hair” that is needed to validate his meteoric rise to power.
the forgotten man forgot the women that were like him
Face it; There is nobody like President Trump and there never will be again. The best we can hope for is that he has put in place policies that will live beyond his presidency and carry through whoever ends up in the Oval. For myself, I wish he could be president forever!
To compare JD Vance to Obama is ridiculously stupid. JD Vance actually worked in a warehouse driving a forklift. He also bagged groceries as a kid. I think Obama worked in an ice cream store a few days…his only real job. JD Vance actually served in the Marine Corps for four years, then graduated from Ohio State in 2 1/2 years and then graduated from Yale Law School. People actually saw him in class and knew him. He didn’t mysteriously travel to Pakistan like Obama when American’s couldn’t travel there. And JD Vance actually wrote his own best-selling book. I read the book and it was top-notch.
Wish someone had “vetted” Pence, Pomeo, Haspel, Sessions, Chao, Mattis, Tillerson, Haley, Kelly, Wray, Barr, McMaster, & Barret, just to name a few backstabbers.
Shocking I tell you!
Who knew that people networked to get seed money for start ups? I mean really…who knew?
Sure 90% of venture capitalist start ups are in fact financed by venture capitalists lol.
What… a young impressionable Yale law student fresh from serving his country whos economic/social background was “hill people of Kentucky” attended a talk presented by Thiel about technological stagnation and the decline of American elites? No way -like really?
” Vance later wrote about his first encounter with Thiel in a 2020 blog post in the Catholic journal The Lamp Magazine. “If technological innovation were actually driving real prosperity, our elites wouldn’t feel increasingly competitive with one another over a dwindling number of prestigious outcomes.” Vance called Thiel’s talk “the most significant moment” of his time at Yale.”
No doubt this is exactly how Frank Marshall Davis a communist activist( monitored by the FBI and CIA, who mentored a young Obama in his teens for political power. Why Theil is exactly like Ayers, Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) acolyte and of course Theil’s history is similar to the violent connections Ayers had with the weathermen. Let us all pull Thiel’s criminal records shall we?
Oh but the name changes! The horror of the name changes!!!
“Named for his biological father Donald Bowman. His parents split up “around the time I started walking,” ‘When he was about 6, his mother, Beverly, married for the third time. He was adopted by his new stepfather, Robert Hamel, and his mother renamed him James David Hamel.”
“When his mother erased Donald Bowman from his and her lives, the adoption process also erased the name James Donald Bowman from the public record. The only birth certificate for Vance on file at Ohio’s vital statistics office reads James David Hamel. Beverly kept the boy’s initials the same, since he went universally by J.D. “Vance spent more than two decades as James David “J.D.” Hamel. It’s the name by which he graduated from Middletown High School, served in Iraq as a U.S. Marine (officially, Cpl. James D. Hamel), earned a political science degree at The Ohio State University and blogged his ruminations as a 26-year-old student at Yale Law School.”
“But the situation gnawed at him, particularly after his mother and adoptive father divorced.
“I shared a name with no one I really cared about (which bothered me already), and with Bob gone, explaining why my name was J.D. Hamel would require a few additional awkward moments,” he writes in “Hillbilly Elegy.” “Yeah, my legal father’s last name is Hamel. You haven’t met him because I don’t see him. No, I don’t know why I don’t see him. Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing compared to the revolving door of father figures.”
So he decided to change his name again, to Vance — the last name of his beloved Mamaw, the grandmother who raised him.”
His beloved grandmother who literally saved his life ! Why absolutely the name changes point to Manchurian candidate – esque manipulated rise to political power.
Sheesh!
BTW – Theil is not responsible for every cent Vance made. Vance’s career is public record and how he parlayed his money by entrepreneur risks as well. And wealthy venture capitalist invested in his ventures. And they happen to be people he admired early on with common interests. Silicon Valley has a known quantity of players in that era and Theil was one of them.
Newsflash – Rubio had huge major donor too. All most everyone running for higher office does.
“Thiel brought Vance to his very first meeting with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in February 2021, according to the New York Times.”
So the NYT is trusted sources now? Factually, Trump met with several people when introductions were made at Mar L Lago to Vance and his Senate run was the topic. Theil was one of several with Vance.
Gosh , now we are to understand that Palantir Technologies, Like Musk’ s Space X /AI, or Boeing , or any of the top American companies who are in advanced cutting edged technologies are somehow gaining contracts to solve huge problems for the American government.
Well ,how shocking this six degrees of separation is – NOT!
How is this bowel microscopic view attached to one person’s narrative helpful to Trump? American First 2026, 2028? I mean sure you have every write to spin your yarn and influence but to what end?
Certainly not a fair shake to the Vice President.
If this is a Uni-party and have similar playbooks if not policies ie digital currency, diminishing free speech, increasing surveillance and upkeep of the US as a Global Empire albeit for different stated reasons. Then why do we believe they aren’t rigging/manipulating elections?
In my entire voting life, Reagan, nothing has ever changed yeah little things that they get us amped up about but the actual direction this country is headed never changes. So what difference does it make who is President?
My early statements are Finally Agreed on. At The Beginning I was Pushing For — Trump / Palin 2024 ( The One Term VP ) Perfect , ,, Leaving Vance in The Senate. Where he Could have Proved Himself Useful. ( What’s The Rush ? ) Rubio as Sec of St. Has been a nice Surprise , in some respects. I was hoping For Kari Lake. ( She Would Have Been Good ) With Matt Whitaker as Atty Gen Instead of Bondi . Right Once again .