I would approach this Polish media report with a note of caution and skepticism. The reason is not what most might think about. The CIA/GCHQ will likely be conducting covert IC propaganda operations to disrupt Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin from reaching any agreement. {NOTED HERE} Therefore, for the next several weeks we should watch the sourcing of the media reports to identify familiar patterns.
A Polish media outlet is reporting to have gained insight into the deal carried by President Trump special envoy, Steve Witkoff. As outlined, both President Trump and President Putin would be working from this framework.
POLAND – Although Onet does not name its sources, it says that the proposal was coordinated with European states. “We have learned that Moscow received a very favorable offer from the Trump administration,” the outlet reported.
According to Onet, the US proposal includes:
・A ceasefire in Ukraine, though not a full peace agreement.
・De facto recognition of Russian-occupied territories by postponing the status issue for 49 or 99 years.
・The lifting of most sanctions imposed on Russia and, in the long term, a return to energy cooperation – namely, imports of Russian gas and oil.
Meanwhile, the proposal reportedly does not include guarantees against NATO expansion – one of Moscow’s consistent demands.
Russia did not receive any promises that military support for Ukraine would cease. However, according to the outlet, this last point is said to be acceptable to the Russians. (read more)
Broadly, this type of an outline makes sense; particularly the three main points and the removal of the sanctions. President Trump has noted repeatedly it was short-sighted for the Western financial system to think they could hurt Russia directly with the 2021 economic sanctions, given the pre-existing sanctions already in place since 2014.
All of my research sources in eastern Europe and Russia generally agree the 2021 sanctions regime was about Western global banking interests (CBDC), together with Blackrock, State Street and Vanguard investments.
Common Question: “What is the fundamental reason that the IC wants to prevent the US from aligning with Russia? Is it simply to keep the conflict (and money) going in Ukraine?”
My response is, No. Several facets involved:
1. Russia does not align with current global banking control. This is the background motive behind the current western sanctions’ regime. Russia does not consider the global finance system to be legitimate. From Putin’s long-held perspective the dollar is too easily weaponized for geopolitical leverage. Ironic considering that’s exactly what the sanctions are. As a consequence, the Western global banks dislike Russia immensely.
2. Ideologically, Russia is not ‘woke’ in every sense of that weird word. Even the concept of DEI is crazy from the perspective of society in Russia. The Russian economy and socioeconomic system do not recognize modern western values, ie. “wokeism”.
Explaining non-merit-based DEI is one of the most unusual conversations you can have with Russian people. They cannot fathom the concept of employment, subsidy or financial benefit from gender, skin color, ethnicity or race. It doesn’t compute to them because they have no concept of the motive or intent behind DEI. Russia is the least politically correct country you could ever visit.
3. Russia is an unusual caste system that rewards those closest to govt with enhanced status. However, on the caste continuum, Vladimir Putin is more Trumpian toward this internal political dynamic. Putin recognizes that all ships must rise, not just the connected.
Think of Russia like visiting Disney. Those who can afford the ‘fast-track’ pass have a better experience than the ordinary ticket holder. Putin recognizes that in the modern era this system creates national vulnerability and political instability that can be exploited by narratives from the West. An entire division of USAID was created for this task. Putin’s goal is changing this dynamic.
4. MAGA understand that Trump needs to be authoritarian in order to cleanse the govt corruption. However, our constitutional system -which was weaponized by the radical leftists- does not allow this approach. In many ways, this type of authoritarian approach is what Putin uses to ensure the same manipulation does not happen to Russia. This puts him in opposition to the global intelligence apparatus who use social friction to stir up internal trouble.
5. Finally, Vladimir Putin has often said the enemy of Russia is not Americans; the identified enemy of Russia is the CIA and UK intelligence (GCHQ). There is a big difference, and the IC feel the same toward him. Hence their activity against him on behalf of their benefactors, the London banking interests.
♦ President Trump is appreciated in Russia because: (A) he is also not politically correct and speaks his mind. (B) Trump has no friends in the IC who view Trump in the same oppositional context as Putin. (C) Trump is honest, and Russians are brutally honest people. (D) Trump is strong but respectful toward all voices.
MAGA
MPGA
Make Poland Great Again
(7 of my 8 great-grandparents were from Poland, the other from Germany)
My first (and best 😉) girlfriend in high school and college is Polish and they are absolutely incredible people!
What does “GCHQ” mean?
I personally do not place any credence on these Polish claims. They are appealing, certainly, but I do not believe that they represent any actual “inside track.” I do think that we will encounter more and more such claims, but my “suspicious cat” tells me that they know not whereof they speak.
The negotiations will take place as they should – in top-secret. I sincerely hope that they will reflect that the USA is finally beginning to listen to Russia’s very valid national concerns. And that the two nations can begin to grow together after decades of ice and snow.
agree with you…. VVP know he can deal with VSGPDJT…. after that (2029) it may goes all as it was with f*jb…i do not trust rabid russophobic polish presstitutes….
Disappointingly a large section of Poland has bought into Globohomos ,liberal rules based order, anti-Russian agitprop.
J. Sobieski is probably turning in his grave.
That’s why it takes so many of them to screw in a lightbulb…..
How many Marxists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
None…The lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution 🙂
Clever, W.
Russia and Poland have been doing this for centuries!
Rural urban split
Dear sejmon,
Please tell me what ‘VSG’ means. Thank you for your attention to this matter! [quoting PDJT]
Very Stable Genius is what I always thought it meant.
As opposed to the unstable genius of evil, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
She is definitely unstable.
She appears to be a ‘meat sack’ for the Ultimate Evil Genius. I would not be surprised that the whole of her I.Q. has been totally consumed by You Know Who…………….
Thank you so much
very stable genius…..
Thank you so much
Agree! Poland is paranoid about Russia with good historical reason and is attempting to hopefully have some influence on getting a favorable meeting between President Trump and President Putin. When the war is stopped all the Ukrainian refugees in Poland can go home and there’s no threat of it spilling over into Poland. JMO
Yes – just like every MSM opinion poll.
Russia Russia Russia was always about far more then stopping Trump, its so far successful goal is in keeping MAGA and Russia apart, as together they are death to the deep state, death to globalism, death to DEI and woke, death to unfettered immigration.
I give some credence to the Polish claims for the reasons Sundance outlines and because Trump has clearly warned, “Ukraine may be Russian again” and he has delayed military support when Ukraine is most vulnerable, and he has given Russia time when it most needed to consolidate its goals. He appeases the Lindseys with retoric and threats, while putting the world in a position where they must accept most of Russias demands and a greatly weakened DS of Ukraine.
He’s (PDJT) giving the Lindseeds the squirrel treatment. Wordman let it rip…
Hear here fine Sir! MAGA ON! 🙏🏽
it would not surprise me if Putin dropped his “no NATO” claim as a “concession” to the EU, because at this point, he understands he has neutered them, and could beat their aszes again if the time came.
he might as well declare that he will not invade europe, as well, as another “concession” since he was never planning to anyway.
yes ..he VVP got something what West do not have…Dr.Hazelnut/Oreschnik…..btw..most of military material is bomb on arrival …include nato personnel…so Vlad may agree.. DUMA probably not…
Personally if I were to craft a deal I would demand that Putin demand that any non continental countries leave Nato.
The US would belligerently agreed but insist being able to engage with NATO and supply weapons and financial support if needed.
We would be no longer bound by the articles. Of course if we ever get in a conflict Nato help would have to be purchased. One must ask themselves how valuable is a militarily and culturally depleted Europe
We are being invaded and NATO has not offered to help.
Where will weapons come from? Everybody is tapped out except for Russia, NK, and China.
If the Donbas remains Russian, then he has a “buffer zone” of sorts. However, isn’t NATO almost irrelevant anyway based on the behavior characteristics of the members?
I’m not sure how NATO is or is almost irrelevant. It still includes a very large amount of military defensive and offensive capability spread around Europe; with everything pointed at Russia.
NATO was ostensibly formed because of the Soviet Union’s threat, but that collapsed in 1990. Gorbachev was originally assured AT THAT TIME that NATO would NEVER expand into central and eastern Europe. But the U.S. led the flagrant violation of that agreement in helping NATO do exactly that.
Putin asked that Ukraine not join NATO, and only invaded Ukraine when it was clear that his repeated requests would be ignored and that Ukraine was about to join NATO which meant NATO military & missile installations would soon follow. That would quite literally be a threat to Russia’s very existence.
Ref. https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/documents-show-gorbachev-was-assured-us-wouldnt-ex
I’m not certain that it was “… the U.S. (per se, that) led the flagrant violation of that agreement..”, but rather only certain elements within the U.S. (and Europe) whoich/who forced the issue.
Unfortunately the U.S. (Bill Clinton, speifically) DID lead the eastward expansion of NATO in 1994, flagrantly thumbing our nose in Russia’s face. The Military Industrial Complex could not restrain its zeal to make $billions in arms sales to more NATO members…..
Below is one reference. There are more.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/newly-declassified-documents-gorbachev-told-nato-wouldnt-23629
And, he is keeping territory won in the conflict as a buffer against a NATO invasion.
I think NATO is going to be gone too.
We will see how prescient your comment may be!
Would be nice.
The US will never give up the power and leverage NATO affords us over western Europe.
Getting NATO out of Ukraine is the primary goal of the Russians, it’s unlikely that they will drop that condition.
nonsense
“I would approach this Polish media report with a note of caution and skepticism. The reason is not what most might think about. The CIA/GCHQ will likely be conducting covert IC propaganda operations to disrupt Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin from reaching any agreement.”
SD, you’re completely correct (no shock there). It is a very common tactic in the IC to “offshore” something they want to drift back to the US news consumer. A US “source” will leak or off-handedly provide a nugget of info to either another country’s intel agency (the collecting intel source officer is very proud of “his” US source, he’s looking for promotions) or to a newspaper. The alternative in the latter is that it’s simply leaked to a press asset on a foreign paper or news organization. The “news” will be big enough for the WaPo and NYT to pick it up after a casual “hint” dropped over cocktails in Georgetown. This is done All.The.Time to support plausibility.
That sounds so like Comey’s methods of getting “news” publicized.
Except “they all do it”.
“Putin recognizes that all ships must rise, not just the connected.”
The middle east strongmen that the neocon’s eliminated also recognized this. They not only enriched themselves, but they used their nation’s resources to benefit their citizens so that they could remain in power.
This was most apparent in Libya. In Iraq and Syria, other religious viewpoints were tolerated as long as they did not interfere with politics.
Ad to that Egypt and Ukraine as well for that matter.
The copr.of the revolutions are always red
Sundance, thank you for the information, insight and analysis!
It has been a pleasure to read your articles as you unravel the commonly held perceptions of the situation.
JMO.
“The CIA/GCHQ will likely be conducting covert IC propaganda operations to disrupt Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin from reaching any agreement. “
The CIA disrupting President Trump is the treasonous operative message.
That has to stop, pronto. Traitors can not be allowed to be in President Trump’s administration.
Bondi, patel and ratcliffe still have multi-thousands of biden carryover, weaponizing, criminal thugs working in their departments protected by _________(?) in the administration.
Now that the BBB and the worldwide tariffs are done, President Trump needs to clean out the DOJ / 3-letter agencies and stop them from sabotaging his Administration.
Beat the drum about Poland if you want but “removing traitors in the DOJ / FBI / CIA” is the drum that is most critical and yet remains silent.
MAGA / America First isn’t just our motto, it is our duty!
. “We have learned that Moscow received a very favorable offer”
These losers consider this a favourable deal?
IKR?
yes… for the kellogg/ms.linda/cotton/nuland/kagan and other warmongering creatures……
That’s an insult to all outdoor creatures!!
Just like the AP post sighting “a White House source” saying Trump would only agree to meeting with Putin if Putin committed to meeting Zelensky. Immediately refuted by Trump
Unless it comes directly from President Trump, believe nothing you see and nothing you hear. President Trump and Sundance are the only avenues of truth.
Surprised that Putin would agree to anything without a commitment to ban further NATO expansion, we were given to understand that was impetus for his original invasion of Ukraine, the threat that they were joining NATO.
it was.
but now he has kicked our butt.
The scum news media uses “leaks” to deceive the public.
Info is not leaked but scripted by intel agencies to deceive
as usually..
If this “leaked” report is close to the truth … this is a major SHIFT in the negotiations paradigm from President Trump.
READ THE FIRST 7 lines of the outlined framework.
This first meeting is a CEASEFIRE DISCUSSION and NOT a PEACE DEAL Discussion.
Hopefully … this indicates that somebody on the President’s Team finally understands the difference and is actually listening to President Putin.
If the CIA leaked this they f–cked up.
Modern globalists have been trying to run Russia for over a century. That’s why they backed the Bolsheviks in 1917. But, they lost control later when Lenin passed. Have been trying to claw it back ever since. Watch Antony Sutton explain.
MAGA
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution: The Remarkable True Story of the American Capitalists Who Financed the Russian Communists
Thanks for sharing….
A thirteen minute video that is
definitely worth watching!
👏 👏 👍
Putin may regret not settling down to a better deal with Trump a few months ago, when NATO expansion might have gone his way. Oh, well.
“When NATO expansion might have gone his way”
In what way would NATO expansion, be good for Russia?
Sure sure …. and how did that work in 1995 to 2014 … the Ms Pac-Man NATO just kept creeping towards the Russian Border no matter what promises and agreements were signed.
President Putin is going to keep as much of the territory he captured as is possible to provide a physical buffer to another attempted ground war by NATO as well as provide a WESTWARD oriented early warning space for incoming aerial stuff headed for Russia.
VVP..got all cards ..thanks to neocons/globalists/russophobes we are in situation with VSGPDJT hands are still not totally free….regard relationship with Russia…
Let’s hope the cokehead midget doesn’t F* things up.
he f* things since Feb.2022 and up till now only VVP slowly cutting oxygen of Z warmachine…….. …
He most certainly will try.
A good move to drop the sanctions, glad they’re finally catching up with me. I agree with Sundance’s earlier thoughts that the recent Russia-hoax declassifications are intended more to break the sanctions than to bring the coup plotters to justice. The Obama sanctions, in particular, were based on a fraudulent ICA and were levied against Russia for something they never did. All this to attempt to overturn – overthrow, really – the 2016 election. Naturally, the IC went along with it, because anything they can do to harm Russia is standing policy in the Intelligence Community.
I think NATO is probably getting postponed from an initial agreement because there are longer-term issues and NATO probably becomes part of a larger bargaining chip. We’ll see Russia brought back into the G7/G20 before there’s a settlement on NATO, most likely. Russia may in fact need NATO because China is increasingly belligerent and unstable.
It’s a good step. Trump can do more damage to the IC by conducting an investigation, and declassification, of the Nordstream bombing. I think there is broad understanding in the US that we – meaning the IC and DoD – either directly executed that attack or provided everything needed including materials and training. Then either the Ukes or Poland actually bombed the pipeline.
We weaken the IC by exposing them. They can send their emissaries out on cable news to spout all the lies they want. But then the declassifications come out – often in their own handwriting! – and people find out the truth.
It’s a bit like COVID. The more the truth started to leak out, the faster all the authoritarian controls started to drop. It wasn’t all at once…it was a little at a time…then it all collapsed.
Slowly at first, then all of a sudden.
COVID hasn’t completely collapsed. I ran into a neighbor wearing a mask in 95 degree heat walking into a store “because her 35 year old daughter has ‘Covid’. smh
They are still trying to keep it going. My brother was recently diagnosed with it.
People tell me “I’ve got covid,” me, oh, you have a summer cold.
Generally a blank stare..
Trump doing the negotiating in-house and at his secure compounds sure makes sense.
Russia already sells the oil through the back door and controls the land it wants. The US wants to punt. Th e EU is broke. Everything will stop in place and peace will be declared but not achieved.
I dont care for russia, but this war needs to end for all sides. Whatever trump can do to get this done all the better. Russia should be more aligned with the west for our and their benefit.
your last sentence….West would love to loot russian natural resources as they did (1992- 2000) and not to have normal/cordial/relationship… btw who bomb Nord stream pipeline(fjb)..djsnola…they decide to do BRICS buss……
Confusing. On the one hand, the Onet ‘agreement’ indicates the lifting of most sanctions. On the other hand, we hear yesterday that Trump is levying tariffs on India for being the ‘distributor’ of Russian oil
Putin, while many may not like him, fully understands the issues with the IC vs Trump. He is to Russia what Trump is to the US.
Pres. Putin asked to join NATO 20 years ago.
Our Traitor Class turned him down. Imagine China and Islam on the outside–it would have been awesome.
But our Elites had already sold out to Chy-Na and GloboHomo, and wished to conquer, loot and rape Russia. When President Putin turned down their offer to betray Russia, this shit started.
They hoped to use Ukraine as an invasion launching pad, but they have had to settle for conquering, looting and raping Ukraine instead.
Gipper …I remember that…when VVP did ask Clinton (horny Bill) about NATO membership…Billy just laugh…because they need -permanent enemy…as someone in the Middle East….
Yes–I remembered it as the Bushes–same difference.
btw, the ’93 WTC Bombing was supposed to usher in the Patriot Actors under Clinton. Because it failed, they had to wait for Shrub.
I think some people here were chomping on the bit to get Russia as soon as it was apparent Communism had failed again.
Follow the leaks!
Really?
<Follow the leaks!>
The Plumbers Oath 🙂
ROFLOL!
Prime Minister of Poland….Donald Tusk
💥 💥 Prior to that he was President of EU Council 💥 💥
🤣 They just shuffle them around like deck chairs on the Titanic 🤣
🤷♀️ 🤷♀️
..and most of us know who was his -grandpa….. Tusk got it in his blood….. seen picture of his grandpa with German officials after..1939….
GCHQ is the UK version of the National Security Agency that does SIGINT.
Would think any UK partner with CIA to spread disinformation would be MI6?
The war won’t truly end until one side or the other is utterly defeated.
A cessation of open hostilities is better than nothing, but a DMZ will always be a friction point between Russia and the West, in particular, NATO. (See: Korea.)
If nothing else, the war has illustrated the limits of big-dollar weapons systems. That must be disappointing news to the MIC.
NATO is the little brother that runs around talking smack because their big brother is the USA.
“If nothing else, the war has illustrated the limits of big-dollar weapons systems. That must be disappointing news to the MIC.”
not if the west keeps blowing money on them anyway. and IMO, the talking points have successfully covered over most of the failures such that the Lindsey’s of the world will only be too happy to keep backfilling the gear russia and iran destroy.
RUSSIA would never agree about .. DMZ
Wait till the drones become unmanned planes with full bomb/missile racks attached. Or bombers carrying a thousand smaller drones that can saturate entire towns, counties or states. Itsaaa cominnnn!
Thanks for getting this out in light of these leaked reports
So, an agreement where Russia, who holds all the cards, makes all the concessions?
Don’t see many concessions by Russia here. Let’s see: they get to keep most of the territory they got with the invasion; sanctions are reduced; and they [like the Ukes] get a big breather to rearm, regroup, resupply, and re-strategize.
only in the wild ms.linda dreams….
Russia does not consider the global finance system to be legitimate. From Putin’s long-held perspective the dollar is too easily weaponized for geopolitical leverage.
This Crowd:
Putin is right.
Topple the Crown
Free the World
Me either.
Nor does the Lord, who will bring it all down and Reset it for His Children and His Kingdom Glory!
Haggai 2:
Hallelujah!
Great video!
The author of Creature of Jekyll Island…
G. Edward Griffin
Here is interview with him from 2 months ago….
👏 👍 👍 June 20.
‘We’re Being Played AGAIN’ as Wars Drive PROFIT For Banker Class: G. Edward Griffin – YouTube
😉 😉 👍👍 😉😉
I knew you’d love it!
👊
Good one. Thanks bro. I’ll use that to supplement my teaching (hopefully) to my daughter.
Despite the skepticism and paranoia prevalent on this website, Poland elected a new president on August 6, Karol Nawrocki, a right-wing leader. During his inaugural speech, Nawrocki reaffirmed his opposition to illegal immigration and Poland’s opposition to the EU, aligning with principles to prioritize social stability, law and order.
His victory, supported by the Law and Justice (PiS) party, represents a clear rejection of the impositions of European bureaucracy, which has attempted to erode Polish identity and values. His election is a strong message against globalist policies that threaten Poland’s traditional social fabric.
who wields the power there, though? Tusk is a bonafide globalist shill who will always defer to the EU technocrats.
honest question, i don’t know enough about polish gov/politics to understand which of them has more authority to shape their future.
ok..regard immigration..but regard toward Russia is almost same as vicious baltic chihuahuas…
You’re racking them up today Sej. 😎😂
Sundance
I would like to see the strings in item 5.
I don’t not remember this being discussed here other then in the comments section.
” There is a big difference, and the IC feel the same toward him. Hence their activity against him on behalf of their benefactors, the London banking interests.”
I don’t doubt it i just would like some sourcing for coffee talk.
“London banking interests.” See promethianaction site…
Promethianaction.com
“It doesn’t compute to them because they have no concept of the motive or intent behind DEI. Russia is the least politically correct country you could ever visit.”
SIGN ME UP.
Brutally honest. Indeed a mostly foreign concept these days. Although I would put Homan and a few others in that category, including Melania Trump. MAHA – Make America Honest Again
There is no reason that our countries, USA and Russia, should not have lasting peace and deep ties. In many ways, we are similar nations and our common bond of good will shall create a peaceful and wealthy world.
Note that the end game of peace is at total odds with the IC who wants war, famine, manufactured pestilence with poison marketed as the vaccine, and general misery to usher in their brutal totalitarian regime.
We are in a civilizational war, but, shockingly, with elements of western society fighting against the magnificent contribution to art, religious thought, and science from the West herself.
We are actually in a war amongst ourselves. This is a civil war, a cold civil war.
I struggle to come up with any great “similarities” between the US and Russia.
We are a 250 year old democratic Republic. They have little experience outside of either royalty or autocratic government.
Putin is a KGB thug dictator. We elect our leaders.
I could go on and on….but my point is simply that there are very FEW similarities between our countries.
“Putin is a thug dictator”
Bill & Hillary
Obama
Biden
Seems there really are similarities!
Maybe Putin rules the way he does in order to keep a deep state from rising in his country?? The people over there do not live in fear. He has strong armed some billionaires, but my guess is he did that in order to stifle the type of greed and corruption we have over here. Everything isn’t always as it seems the media makes it.
He is popular. He is trying to save Russia from Brussels et al.
Oh my……👩🏫👩🏫🤦♀️
George H.W. Bush was the Director of CIA
Putin, after graduating from law school worked for KGB
And most realize that the Deep State runs our
government…..Our version of KGB …(KGB no longer exists)
is located in Langley……. 🥴 🥴
Russia has different branches of government.
The legislative branch -Duma-elections are held every 5 years
Presidential elections are held every six years.
Here is favorite red headed Tatar teacher…she explains
about Government….languages, ethnic groups.
😉 😉 A good way to begin your research 😉😉
17 minutes…Eli from Russia….
What languages and dialects we speak in Russia’s republics? – YouTube
Grasshopper, please know I relate this to you in the most kind way:
Should you truly believe what you have stated, you are very naive and extremely ill-read.
My suggestion is that you, with an open mind, make a genuine, concerted effort at educating yourself.
0.o
I did link the video by Eli…🤷♀️
Hopefully, the link is clicked and
it results in curiosity to learn more.
I am still not only surprised but disappointed
in the ignorance of many in our country 🇺🇸
who…even to this day believe that Russia
is communist. I come in contact with so
many…💔
We are a 250 year old democratic Republic.
Vaccine mandates
Lockdowns
J6 prosecutions of MAGA
We elect our leaders.
2020 stolen election
Coup against a democratically elected POTUS
Two assassination attempts
We believe in the same God. The Holy Trinity.
We believe in the same God. The Holy Trinity.
Make no mistake.
Globalists are Satanists and their enemy is God and all Christian believers.
0.o
Not the West! The civilization is NOT the west. They are only the recipients of it. The Civilization is the Christian Church!!!
MNN BREAKING…
*IN PRESIDENTIAL MEMOIRS, PRESIDENT AUTO-PEN CONFESSES HE ALSO HAD BODY DOUBLES LIKE THE BIDEN
SAYS JILL BIDEN WOULD OFTEN SEND HIM TO HIS ROOM WITHOUT INK
When his time comes, should he be buried in Bejing rather than Delaware?
That’s up to his Chinee owners.
If he wasn’t already buried in the Rose Garden.
The fool should be buried in a baskin robbins ice cream store…..under the ice cream
Since he made us miserable for 4 years and longer, I have no sympathy for him.
well/or no to so well/masked/doubles /clones what else is new about FJB…..
Why is the cia not in alignment with stopping the war?
why is the USA battling itself?
we (the taxpayer, are spending what appears to be hundreds of billions ( what we see is only what they want us to) of OUR money to fund whatever it is, and our own gov’t is fighting against us? This so pathetic.
why does Trump and team not tell CIA to cease immediately?
i know the backdrop to the cia/ intelligence stuff in Ukrain/russia, but this is so blatantly corrupt and frankly stupid, I boil.
honestly Ukraine is the USA corrupt bank/ money laundering machine – how many photos of numbskulls congress people shaking hands with dancer/comedian? Bottom line Ukraine always was, is the bank out lovely gov’t works with to enrich themselves while a battle killing thousands rages on in the background? Hmmm?
Bob ..do not boil,please..we are close to final..crescendo…..
If the fighting stops, the focus may shift to the CIA, USAID, State dept funded coup or the secret US funded biolabs.
I too have wondered why Trump doesn’t tell the IC to pound sand and buzz off. He IS in charge – isn’t he?
Sundance has explained this in detail. PDJT can’t openly come out and admit he is not in control of his IC. That would make us look weak and embolden our enemies to do rash things and use the excuse of not being able to control our own IC. And it could lose a large portion of our societies support, and even global recognition.
Most people aren’t as informed as we are. Or when they do hear stuff like this they will say he’s trying to be a dictator. It’s a delicate line he has to walk.
I have a relative by marriage who was born and raised in NJ. She has “Trump is a dictator” burned into her brain like a brand or a tattoo. There is something in the water in NJ.
Miss Joan, the IC is the Globalist Deep State= American Intel Agencies, MI6, 5-I’s (Five Eyes), Mossad, all of them all across the world.
It’s not the easy task of saying, ‘Hey, you bunch of jerks, nobody likes you; get lost’.
There’s really no reason for President Trump to say anything; his actions are speaking.
0.o
Since NATO expansion has been one of the primary sticking points, I doubt that there will be any deal which does not address this key issue in some form. Otherwise, this war will simply flair back up once the Democrats, or the Uniparty RINO warhawks regain office. We are already supposed to hate the Russians, but if DJT makes peace with them, we’d have to REALLY hate the Russians!!!
Also, any deal is dead on arrival, so long as the US IC continues to coordinate and execute attacks on Russian assets and Russian soil. Deal, or no deal, Zelensky will also continue to fight (for so long as the EU keeps supplying him) because he will not accept Russian troops/control in Ukraine. If it comes to it, he’ll send ten-year-olds to the front! He will need to be removed from office first … something that the US IC is rather expert in.
How does the saying go? This story “has all of the hallmarks” of US IC propaganda. Planting stories in the press is one of the few other things that the US IC do reasonably well.
I remain in the group that just wished this whole debacle would go away. Can’t we just leave it to the Russians and Euros to figure out? There is ZERO US taxpayer interest in us being involved in any way even if we did “start” the most recent version of a thousand-year-old conflict.
Here’s an article from RT that echo’s the sentiment that the EU wants to sabotage the real peace talks by insisting they (france/UK) be included in the trilateral meeting.
https://on.rt.com/dcfl
Pfftt!
As far as I am concerned the EU can GTH and KMA! They are nothing but a bunch of dope using, perverted, money grubbing, worthless as teats on a boar hog POS. There now I feel so much better!
😤
And now we have the Project Veritas expose that BILL BARR was helping coordinate RICO charges against former President Trump (2022) while working w Armstrong Williams, and others.
Bill Barr, former CIA.
Also coordinating w Facebook.
Armstrong Williams also setting up J6 Patriots?
Hot Whistleblower hiding abroad w EXTENSIVE NOTES.
Project Veritas typically has multiple drops.
New info to me, this Whistleblower gal herself indicted for impersonating a lawyer?
I’m sure Trump is using the RussianHoax investigation to our advantage. It shows Putin that Trump is trying to punish those involved.
One can only hope that Trump’s people have seeded the IC with false reports whose leaks can be traced back to individuals who can then be fired for reason.
But hope seems to be running a distant third in this race.
Yep, and if you really want to see the lefts heads explode, maybe PT should become a BRICS member. 😂😂
UBRICKS. K added for kingdom of Saud. 🤷🏼♂️
Wow, Sundance.
You’ve just put a pin in the precise coordinates of the nexus driving so much of the discord we’ve endured for decades: the Square Mile found at 51.51556° N, 0.09306° W.
It’s their recurrent pattern of using concentrated financial power and covert channels to shape the political map, often at the expense of stability elsewhere.
BREAKING NEWS: Karol Nawrocki, right-wing leader, assumes presidency of Poland
and pledges to combat illegal immigration, oppose the EU,
and defend sovereignty and traditional values – Gateway Hispanic
Sounds good except for his knee-jerk anti-Russia policy
So maybe President Trump starts by eliminating the Russia Desk, the Ukraine Desk, and the Afghan Desk. That should get rid of some of the resistance. What will they do? Work against us? They are doing that already.
Sundance omits recent U.S. Army Europe and Africa commander General Chris Donahue’s threats to Russia / Kaliningrad.
Is this CIA directed?
President Trump stirring the pot?
You’re omitting the context that this was stated as a response in the event of a ru attack on nato
Still comes off as a threat, which Russia replied to.
I am surprise VSGPDJT did not fire him yet…..
Re, the list of points of the purported proposal: Since NATO rules prohibit admission of members with contested borders, deferring resolution of territorial issues for “49 or 99 years” means no NATO membership for Ukraine.
Re, the list of points of the purported proposal: Since NATO rules prohibit admission of members with contested borders, deferring resolution of territorial issues for “49 or 99 years” means no NATO membership for Ukraine.
Also, there’s the issue of the Ukraine not filing it’s legal boundaries after the Soviet Union fell.
We wouldn’t want to forget that little nuisance.
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I’m not aware of a “filing legal boundaries” requirement, and would like to know more.
The post-Soviet Constitution of the Russian Republic recognized the boundaries of the other post-Soviet States, and prohibited rearranging them. Unless Russia has amended its Constitution, annexation of Crimea, and now the Donbas region, would be violations of Russia’s own Constitution. (Though Putin can probably engineer revisions if he wants.)
Thanks again, Sundance. Sane analysis from you and others on your website has educated me beyond measure during the many years I have spent at this school of higher learning. You and your elves are greatly appreciated by this 90 yr. youngster.
The problem I see with allowing Putin a victory in Ukraine is that he has his eye on some other lucrative properties farther north and east. Several of them have significant Russian speaking populations which need “protection” from the West.
I have Russian speaking neighbours here in San Diego. Is Putin eyeing Southern California too?
ROFL!
The issue with that observation, is that those Russian-speaking population groups do not face a local national government with a geocidal policy of indiscriminate artillery bombardment against them.
Ukraine has done this ever since Zelenskyy was propped into office via our “color revolution”. He used the infamous Azov brigade, noted for its devotion to the Nazi ideology which…is genocidal towards an appointed ethnic boogeyman.
Byelorussia, the Baltic states, and Finland simply do not have the bitter Ukrainian attitudes toward the Russian ethnics within their countries.
The problem I see with allowing Putin a victory in Ukraine is that he has his eye on some other lucrative properties farther north and east. Several of them have significant Russian speaking populations which need “protection” from the West.
Which lucrative properties would those be, specifically?
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I got feeling -Spinoneone- know about those lucrative properties….
Spinoneone..make sure before you going to bed check if Vlad is not under……
Collective west propaganda.
You are projecting .
The war and constant hostility between Russia and Ukraine makes absolutely no sense.
They are both the same people with the same language and religion. They have the same values of family and friendships. This whole CIA and EU fabricated war makes as much sense as Canada declaring war on the United States.
The whole mess is absolutely absurd!
The Ukraine is an occupied territory.
Make sense now?
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There’s a history that may factor in: The Ukrainian famine
Cruel efforts under Stalin to impose collectivism and tamp down Ukrainian nationalism left an estimated 3.9 million dead.
http://www.history.com/articles/ukrainian-famine-stalin
We have clearly seen how the EU, wants this war to continue, they do not care about human life, and this is about making $$$$ as all other wars have done.
The leaders that benefit from these endless wars are products from hell, let’s send them back.
So the moon really is made of green cheese…and other once-unthinkable thoughts that abound with this new awakening Trump has given me. From my 50 year slumber I realize that I have more in common with Putin and the Russian people than the woke, globalist values that have been fed to me by a once-trusted media and an utterly corrupt political class that force-feeds me phony narratives like I was a milk-fed calf whose only value to the state is on plates of veal parmesan.
Speaking of sullied institutions, the Nobel and Pulitzer committees need Trump more than he need them if they are ever to rise out of the fetid swamp of insufferable wokeism. Regardless of what comes of the Trump/Putin peace negotiations, if Donald Trump isn’t awarded the Nobel Peace Prize after all he’s done while Obama was awarded it after all he didn’t do…
…then what’s a Peace Prize for?
Question: “…then what’s a Peace Prize for?”
Answer: Political talking points and posturing. Nothing more.
I’d love to return the attitudes of those committees back toward awarding those prizes for the recognition of worthy, meaningful advances and efforts. I won’t hold my breath waiting for it, though.
NATO membership for Ukraine has to be eliminated. I remember still when Zelenskyy and Vindman got Trump rapidly impeached for a perfect phone call and when a Ukranian volunteer tried to shoot the President in a golf court. Never forgive.