Apparently, the best the Democrats could come up with to defend themselves against the truth provided by DNI Tulsi Gabbard, was to put Connecticut Representative Jim Himes on TV to push a series of lies that leftists are sworn to believe.
Four lies immediately stand out below. (1) Marco Rubio was not chair on the SSCI investigation of Trump-Russia, Richard Burr was. (2) John Durham was not appointed by Donald Trump. He was appointed by Bill Barr. (3) There is no evidence that “Russia hacked” the DNC servers. Even the FBI said there was no evidence. (4) Russians did not “buy reams of Facebook ads”, there was an indication that someone, who was likely Russian, spent $4,500 dollars on one ad promoting Jill Stein.
[Transcript] – MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome back to FACE THE NATION. We are continuing our conversation now with Connecticut Congressman Jim Himes, who is the ranking member on the Intelligence Committee.
Congressman, I want to pick up on that topic.
Just a statement of fact here. A bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee investigation found that the U.S. intelligence community’s assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election was correct, they deemed it to be so on a bipartisan basis. I’m saying that because today, and yesterday, the director of the intelligence community, Tulsi Gabbard, has said that she is referring for prosecution former American officials she accused of treasonist conspiracy, a year’s long coo against President Trump because they assessed Russia had tried to influence the election. This is weeks after the CIA director issued a report critiquing the tradecraft that went into that 2016 assessment.
Is there any legal basis for any kind of prosecution here?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES (D-CT): None. Absolutely none, Margaret. What you saw from the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, was not just a lie, but a very dangerous lie. Because when you start throwing around language like sedition and treason, somebody’s going to get hurt.
Now, you pointed out that the Senate committee, then led by Marco Rubio, a Republican and now secretary of state, found unanimously that Russia medaled in the election to try to assist Donald Trump. John Durham, special council appointed by Donald Trump, investigated this, fund that the Senate report was correct.
Now, what Tulsi is doing, it’s a little slight of hand but it’s worth focusing on. She is saying that the Intelligence Committee early on said that the Russians could not use cyber tools to mess with the voting infrastructure, the machines that tally our votes. That was true then and it is true now. Though the Russians tried to break into a couple of states’, you know, election technical infrastructure, they didn’t do it. But it is well known and well established that the Russians hacked into the DNC and undertook any number of influence operations, including buying reams of Facebook ads, to discredit Hillary Clinton. That is not in contention, right?
And what is horrifying about this whole lie out of Gabbard is, number one, it puts people at risk. And right now, you know, the mouth breathers on MAGA online are just going out of their minds based on a lie. And, number two, the intelligence community is full of very, very good people who do their jobs every single day and now they’re watching their leader do something that each and every one of them knows is dishonest and it is a really, really bad thing for the safety and security of the American people when that dynamic is – is – is out there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That Senate report is online. The findings are – are there. But I understand your distinction there. It’s an important one in influence verses physical hacking.
You are –
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: But, by the way, Margaret, if I may.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: If I may. You asked about the referral.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Here’s the test. This is Epstein all over again. Criminal referrals. We’re going to prosecute Barack Obama. You know, treasonist and seditious. Here’s the thing. And I hope that four, five, six weeks from now. Don’t take it from this Democrat. Four or five, six weeks from now, let’s see if this administration, Tulsi Gabbard accusing a former president of treason, let’s see if they bring charges. They won’t. They won’t, because there’s not a judge in the land, not a single judge, who will treat this with anything other than laughter that will be heard from the Atlantic to the Pacific in this country.
So, the test of this is, four, five, six weeks from now, is the DOJ bringing charges.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: And the answer to that is no. And now we’re going to be in Epstein world. We’re like, wait a minute, treasonist conspiracy by a former president. Why isn’t the Department of Justice bringing charges? And the answer to that question is that it is a lie.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.
On the other topic I want to ask you about, as a Democrat, “The New York Times,” the DNC – is reporting the DNC’s examination of what went wrong in the last election is going to steer clear the decisions made by the Biden turned Harris campaign.
You were very direct early on in calling for then President Biden to drop out of this race. You don’t parse your words normally. Do you actually think it is possible for your party to self-diagnose problems without looking at the presidential race itself in terms of the candidates?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Look, we – we – we need to acknowledge, and every – and all of America saw it on the night of the disastrous debate in the July before the election, that Joe Biden was not going to win the election. That was not just evident in the debate, it was evident in the polling that his people were keeping from him. OK, so that is a fact.
Now, Democrats are a big tent party. We go from Joe Manchin, who’s practically a Republican, to AOC, we is a Democratic socialist. So, we always have a struggle in coming up with sort of one set of policies, one set of messaging. And it’s particularly hard to do when we don’t have a presidential candidate. You know, a presidential candidate, of course, attracts the attention, is sort of the one person who must run nationwide and speak for the party as a whole. Right now we’re having a lot of conversations with a lot of different views. And I understand that’s enormously frustrating to Democrats who are so upset over the result of the election.
But, you know, other than fight back with the tools that we have right now, we’ve got to be introspective about what we have done wrong that resulted in a dramatic win by Donald Trump in 2020.*
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: There’s an awful lot of rage in the Democratic Party. And my message to my Democratic friends is, fine, I get the rage, believe me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: I was in the chamber on January 6, 2021, and worried for my own life. But the thing to do right now is to be introspective and ask yourself –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: What can we do better to appeal to more people, including those people that we have lost time and time again in elections?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
Fifteen months out from the mid-term races.
Congressman Jim Himes, thank you.
We’ll be right back.
[END TRANSCRIPT]
Would love to see Mark Warner give private lessons on how to make his Tuna Melt Sandwich to James Wolfe and Ali Watkins at Danbury Prison.
Ali Watkins wrote the article in Politico about how the US IC had intel about a Russian plan to interfere in other nations’ elections in 2014. In the very next year, 2015, the alleged Russian hacking group, Cozy Bear, hacked into the DNC’s cardboard network and spent the better part of 2015 frolicking around in the DNC’s business. This included access to the telephone communications. This, along with strange events surrounding the Ukraine election, following the Obama Administration’s Regime Change in that country, bolstered the later notion about “election interference” by Russia.
That doesn’t mean the Russians hacked the DNC servers to obtain the Podesta e-mails. Nobody but the private cybersecurity firm the Democrats hired made that claim.
Paging Seth Rich……..oops I forgot. They MURDERED him too!
Fancy Bear, Cozy Bear, Guccifer are manufactured disinformation tools made to look Russian by US Intelligence.
CrowdStrike did the investigation for the DNC not the FBI. Crowdstrike’s CEO Shawn Henry testified to Congress that there was no concrete evidence that data was exfiltrated from the DNC.
Henry was formerly a cyber expert with the FBI and was promoted by Robert Mueller.
I saw the video of him making his “melt” in the microwave. It looked disgusting.
Hey Sean, then there’s that whole James Wolfe thing with Warner. Search the CTH archives.
Unless I am missing something, Tulsi Gabbard’s allegations of criminal actions on the part of Barack Obama et al occurred during the buildup to the 2016 election.
Under U.S. law, treason and sedition typically apply to actions taken against the government, not against a private citizen, even if that citizen is running for president. During the 2016 election, Donald Trump was a private citizen.
Of course, dirty tricks were played during the 2016 election, as in any election, and by both sides. Dirty tricks are a part of EVERY election.
It is important to recall that the Steele Dossier originated first in the Marco Rubio 2016 camp. In 2015, the Free Beacon (Matthew Continetti) hired Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research on multiple Republican presidential candidates, including Donald Trump.
This research was funded by Republican donor Paul Singer, who backed Marco Rubio at the time. The Free Beacon ceased funding the project in spring 2016, after Trump secured the GOP nomination. Later, the Clinton campaign and the DNC picked up the tab, and Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steele, a former British spy, to compile what became the Steele dossier.
The Congressman is correct that the test will be if Pam Bondi proceeds with filing charges of sedition against Comey and Brannon (can’t charge Obama because he enjoys presidential immunity).
Why hasn’t the DOJ filed indictments already? It is very unusual for the DNI to publicly come out ahead of the DOJ and state there are grounds for criminal charges against high-ranking Obama officials going back almost a decade. Why didn’t we hear about this first from Pam Bondi? Why weren’t charges filed during Trump’s first term?
IMO this is just a big distraction from Trump’s disastrous response to the Epstein files, and it may well work. It could also backfire if, in the days ahead, Pam Bondi declines to press charges.
For Tulsi Gabbard, who has been skating on thin ice lately, this serves to protect her tenure as DNI, as she can be seen as “one of the few standing up for Trump and MAGA”.
Private citizen or not, it’s a presidential election & that immediately separates itself from normal civilian rules. What 0bama & Co did was absolutely against the Constitution so that alone could classify them as enemy combatants. Once that’s established it’s game over for them regarding their legal protection…they can be arrested & charged. This is why Trump won the lawsuit against CBS, CBS broke the presidential campaign law on campaign speeches…it can’t be edited (CBS knows this).
The fact that Obama’s actions were taken against a presidential candidate is extraordinary and extra dirty, and condemnable, but does it make it treasonous or sedition?
What if evidence surfaced tomorrow that Obama played the same dirty tricks against 2016 presidential candidate Jill Stein, or, for that matter, Gary Johnson? Would anyone be calling for Obama & Company to be charged with sedition?
The fact is that despite Obama’s action, Trump won the 2016 election. Trump willingly walked into the post-election trap set for him. I recall Trump loudly objecting that he had nothing to do with Russia or Russians when, in fact, he has done lots of business with Russian businessmen. It’s a matter of public record, and there is nothing wrong with that?
Imagine if Trump had simply responded, “Yes, I have had dealings with Russians, even business dealings, they are wonderful people, I have made lots of money from Russians, and I would happily do business with Russians again. Trump would have instantly diffused this made-up Russia “scandal” that plagued him for four years with just that one statement.
Obama’s actions were not only taken against a candidate, but then against a duly elected President awaiting to take office. IOW, a coup.
It was never about Trump’s actual dealings with Russians that was the issue. It was the made up Russian collusion which was alleged, but which never happened, that was the issue. And nothing Trump said would have “diffused” it.
Duly elected and sworn in on January 20, 2017. On January 20, 2021, Trump became a private citizen again.
Trump wasn’t elected president for life as much as he and his supporters believe that.
Bless your heart, if brains were gas you wouldn’t have enough to drive a piss ants moped around a bb.
Ha!!!!
Ah, so you put your arrogance and disdain for everyone here on full display. You are, whether you know it or not, an entitled elitist or a computer that thinks like one.
You lost me at the final sentence “Kev”. Nice try at a serious dissertation, but no cookie
Do you rave?
What if’s are like woulda coulda shpulda’s. Holds no weight.
No kiddin, Dude…if only somebody had shot down The Orange Menace BEFORE he kicked Hillary’s fat ass in the 2016, none of these crazy investigations, impeachments, lawsuits, illegal importations, or Ivy League color-revolution-riots would have been necessary…live and learn, Mama always sez…
BUT, it’s all good, cuz yesterday Marie Harf told Shannon Bream she was in the Obama White House the entire thing is a big fat lie…voila! No problemo, Big Kev…all in the clear, Sugar Booger!
Anyhoo, fake Obama timeline FTA:
One instance was on Dec. 7, 2016, weeks after the election. Then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s talking points stated: “Foreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the U.S. presidential election outcome.”
Fox News Digital obtained a declassified copy of the Presidential Daily Brief, which was prepared by the Department of Homeland Security, with reporting from the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, FBI, National Security Agency, Department of Homeland Security, State Department and open sources, for Obama, dated Dec. 8, 2016.
I disagree Kevin. If PDJT had said that it’s very possible the Senate would have convicted him in the impeachment trial.
You’re obviously a newbie to CTH and you’re fortunate to have posted this at 4:14 a.m. You haven’t a clue what you are talking about. Go to the site archives and do some research and get back to us with your apology.
Don’t you think. Pollyanna, that Obama & Company would have kept up with the dileberate subversion? Do you think Obama & Company care about America or their dreams of a fundamentally changed America?
First he would have to know it was going on but he didn’t. And certain carry overs, such as Comey, kept it going after DJT was sworn in. I can’t be nonchalant over this
JeffD Go NC!
Hope you can share some of your energy with Ted Budd co as he is a co-sponsor to Cotton’s ODNI attack bill.
Was Obama’s actions official Presidential actions? Or DNC actions to aid in their election campaign. Also, can starting a coup attempt against a duly elected Presidential candidate ever be considered a “Presidential Act”? Nah.
Kevin, you are way off course here. The issue had nothing to do with the 2016 election but with what happened AFTER the election. Obama was involved before Trump took the oath of office, and he also continued to direct his minions after Trump became president. Your whole premise collapses like a house of cards.
Obama directed a conspiracy to overthrow the government, subvert the will of the people.
Dems don’t care how the people vote they just want to ram in their agenda.
Obama was DYING that he couldn’t get a 3rd term in 2016. Trump ruined everything. And now they’ve influxed the illegals for more House seats, electoral votes, census counts and federal money. Quite the scammers.
These actions continued into his presidency thus sedition is correct. Military tribunal avoids the D C lawfare. This is not a distraction, this is the draining of the swamp a prime directive. We got them all.
From the Tampa Bay Times (10-28-2017):
The Washington Free Beacon (funded by Singer) claims they hired Fusion GPS to dig up information on PDJT and other Republicans. However:
Rubio claims he/his campaign were not involved and when asked about initial research funding he said, “Absolutely not.” He also claimed that ‘if he had credible dirt against Donald Trump, he would have used it.’
‘Singer was said to be unaware the Washington Free Beacon hired Fusion GPS.’ Singer is attributed to the following:
“All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to the Free Beacon was based on public sources, none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier. The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele. Nor did we have any knowledge of the relationship between Fusion GPS and the DNC, Perkins Coie, and the Clinton campaign.”
Kind of goes against your claim that Singer/Rubio were the originators for the Steele dossier.
He switched horses in December, AFTER the election
What? I do not buy any of your premises. And much of what you ask can be answered through common sense. And Tulsi is NOT skating on thin ice..where the hell do you get that. Because of her assessment of Iran?
Maybe YOU have BONDI and TULSI mixed up! It’s Bondi skating on thin ice and why did we hear it from Tulsi and not Bondi?
Dah! Because Tulsi really is a Patriot and wants this out there and them held accountable……Bondi seems to be more worried about her personage on Fox News! And gee….she was great with the Espstein release.
Im thinking maybe she is comprimised….but has been given a chance by Trump to be…and do the right thing. Unlike what she did with the Trevon Martin case.
I have a feeling….Trump may have to replace Bondi, I hope not….but I dont have a lot a faith in her as being a real MAGA. Like most repubs….they are not real MAGA….they are mostly establishment rats!
Remember…..Sessions looked great…before he wasn’t. And Bill Barr looked great…..but he was the opposite….both establishment rats installed to protect the system, the club, the fricking evil!
If you want to know more about Pam Bondi, all you have to do is read Sundance’s articles on the Trayvon Martin case. Bondi was the AG of Florida and friends with Benjamin Crump (if you don’t know who he is, look him up).
“Trump’s disastrous response to the Epstein files”. Here is a different opinion about that:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/honeypot-friday-july-18-2025-c-and
That link is one of the scant few “opinions” worthy of any consideration at all. Many good points in that article.
Excellent, highly recommend reading and sharing
DOJ just received the referral from Gabbard. They will review situation and then decide how to proceed. This letter is all shine and no substance. We’ll find out soon. This about time a price is paid for this debacle.
They were illegally meddling in a federal election. It continued on after Trump won the election. The players played on for several years in… this is a continuing conspiracy of treason and sedition.
“(can’t charge Obama because he enjoys presidential immunity).”
Immunity only applies when the President is performing legitimate core responsibilities as set forth in Article 2 of the Constitution. If Obama falsified intelligence information to target the opponent of his party in an election, that is NOT a core responsibility of the President.
A President can nominate someone to an ambassadorship, but cannot take a bribe to nominate the person. If caught, the President can be impeached under Article 2 (“Treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors”).
The Dems certainly want you and everyone else to believe that this is designed to be a distraction from the Epstein debacle. But Sundance has been on this from the get-go and stuff coming out now confirms what she could only previously surmise. You’re free to slough off the President having you, a private citizen, surveilled for political gain but I’m not. I want it all dissected in public whether charges come out of it or not
I commend Tulsi Gabbard for what she’s done but nothing will ultimately come of it and I think most of us know this. The only justice the evildoers will face will be divine justice.
Don’t speak for “most of us”!
No. And don’t forget that the devil wins sometimes. It takes Man to overcome evil.
Biggest reason (mechanism) for this is of course the Propaganda arm completely ignoring the real facts and throwing their usual left-handed curve balls to divert attention “anywhere but here”. So a huge cross-section of voters will never hear any of this.
We’re doomed!
/s
Sen Rubio should publicly speak about this issue, asap.
Rubio is not a senator now. But he’ll have a chance to weigh-in if he chooses.
All this blather by Hines, is just blather. Indict the treasonous snakes and let the flop sweat begin.
You should all watch/listen to Tucka’s interview with Daryl Cooper on the Epstein affair. I know, Cooper… It is really worth your time; the interview goes into depth on Barr and his Dad, the Maxwell family, etc.
Yeah, Tucka can say things… It is his right to say whatever he wants and it is up to us to choose to accept it. Or not.
Or he could watch VivaFrei’s interview with Mike Benz on Epstein.
Mike Benz is a former State Department official with responsibilities in formulating and negotiating US foreign policy on international communications and information technology matters. Mr. Benz founded FFO as a civil society institution building on his experience in the role of championing digital freedom around the world in the public sector.
https://rumble.com/v6wb0jc-live-w-mike-benz-was-epstein-an-intelligence-tool-maurene-comey-fired-ostri.html?e9s=src_v1_clr%2Csrc_v1_upp_a
Doesn’t this make him complicit as well? Aiding and abetting? Arrest this guy.
Sundance, thank you for that insight. But did SSCI unanimously state that Russia hacked the election, and if so, why? I brought this up in the comments yesterday, and there were a couple of different viewpoints.
From PBS.org:
The report (from the SSCI) purposely does not come to a final conclusion, as Mueller did and as the House Intelligence committee’s 2018 report did, about whether there is sufficient evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to sway the election to him and away from Clinton, leaving its findings open to partisan interpretation.
Several Republicans on the panel submitted ‘additional views’ to the report, saying it should state more explicitly that Trump’s campaign did not coordinate with Russia. They say that while the report shows the Russian government ‘inappropriately meddled’ in the election, ‘then candidate Trump was not complicit.’
The panel’s acting GOP chairman, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, signed on to that statement but the chairman who led the investigation, North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, did not. Another Republican committee member, Maine Sen. Susan Collins, also did not sign on to the GOP statement.
Thank you. That’s makes another lie that Hines told.
Buried in that initial IC assessment in the appendix was a footnote that their conclusions were not definitive.
Hardly anyone picked up on that admission.
Weasel words. Like Bill Clinton once famously said, “it depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is”.
Here is the System in action, presenting lies and suggesting other people are lying, and advancing the narrative that using words like Treason is “dangerous, because someone might get hurt.” Hmm, really? What about the person that was the focus of the effort? to ensure the System did not get interfered with?
If any of us had done what he did, or what a lot of the manipulators did, we would be sent to prison for a long time. Having political influence should not give a pass for Accountability to the Oath. Unfortunately, this has been the political environment for over 40 years, fraud and hypocrisy are rewarded, and the occasional “wrongdoer” is offered up for public gratification. Will this change? I would like to think so, that all the stern language will actually result in something, but that remains to be seen.
No Tulsi on Face the Nation or Meet the Press. The Democrats don’t know if they should $#!+ or go blind so radio silence for Tulsi.
The best spin they can do is this idiot Hines and the bipartisan Senate report which we now know was fueled by manufactured fake evidence.
Congress and the administration cannot drop the ball on this one!!!
Himes was born into the Deep State. His father worked in “cild development” for UNICEF. Himes early childhood was spent in Lima and Bogota. Harvard and Rhodes Scholar. Goldman Sachs for his financial starter job. Defeated long time Republican Congressman Shays by capturing 80% of the vote in Bridgeport. (Sounds familiar?) in 2008. Now Himes has emerged as the spokesperson for the Deep State. He’s been groomed for this since birth.
Child development for UNICEF
Bonehead interviews another Bonehead.
Hines is a Democrat. What did you expect him to say. You must know that anything Trump or his administration does, whatever it is, has to be opposed! It is a requirement to be a Democrat.
Russiagate! When the hammer falls on the RINOS I’ll be assured that the investigation is complete, accurate, and able to be passed on to the US Military for acts of treason. The US courts are so corrupt at present this matter should never be put in their hands, it will become too political IMHO.
An attempted coup against a US candidate/POTUS by both parties/UNIPARTY is treason, coordinated treason. Russiagate continued into Trumps term of office making it treason. AND into Trump’s next campaign for POTUS and election fraud! Both times! IMHO
Heck it was grounds for impeachment of Trump according to the laws of the land. Not once but twice, as well as attempted assassination……..the Uniparty started the libel that started the ball rolling.
John McCain should lose his place of honor for his part in the fiasco coup! IMHO. I haven’t seen his name even hinted at!
God Help US
Trump represented the Tea Party by gum; he was detrimental to BOTH sides of the aisle! Restoration not reformation!
Yes, the US courts and judges are responsible for the sickness in our society today. These treason challenges need to be sent to military courts to limit political party influence…bill
They won’t, because there’s not a judge in the land, not a single judge, who will treat this with anything other than laughter that will be heard from the Atlantic to the Pacific in this country.
There is the strategy. The left will attack any judge who even thinks about taking this case. And don’t forget how the left got so teary eyed serious when they claimed conservatives were attacking the judges presiding over the Trump indictments.
Well, Jim… It happens to be “sleight of hand” that Tulsi is NOT doing, but that You are doing with your hand-wringing b.s.
” … there’s not a judge in the land, not a single judge, who will treat this with anything other than laughter … ”
There’s the crux of the crime: the corruption of the judiciary.
There are going to be a lot of judges who will endure a very miserable ‘Day of Judgment’ in the only arena that counts in the end.
It’s educational to watch the difference in the way this hostess interviews her fellow communists vis-à-vis when interviewing a republican. Yes…yes…yes…yes…yes… softball anti-American set-up question…yes…yes…yes…
I wrote this dolt the other day. I’m from Connecticut.
I wrote to point out an email embedded in the doc release.
Page 79.
The email is discussing timelines and work product. When I first read the paragraph and underlying bullet points is bothered me.
3 versions were to be created. There is a ? related the Gang of 8, would they be allowed to see the highly classified version that was being created for the WH.
Most of congress was not given the version the WH would have. That’s clear.
I told Mr Himes he should read the release. He may not have seen some information.
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/DIG/DIG-Declassified-Evidence-Obama-Subvert-President-Trump-2016-Victory-Election-July2025.pdf
Himes is the one pulling the “sleight of hand” here. He admits Gabbard quotes correctly the original intelligence stating the Russians didn’t hack the voting machines — then conveniently omits her key point, which is that Obama had the original intel changed to the Democrat-friendly “Russians interfered to help Trump win the election” revised version to smear Trump’s victory and sabotage the incoming administration. Skipping all the way to “it is well known and well established that the Russians hacked into the DNC and undertook any number of influence operations.” The guy is a total weasel.
transcript needs tidying up, or are we actually talking about a “treasonist coo”? 😛