Justice served, albeit painfully long in the outcome.
Veteran Daniel Penny has been found not guilty of the charge of ‘criminally negligent homicide’ by a jury in New York City. The prior charge of ‘manslaughter’ was previously dropped after the jury deadlocked on the count.
(VIA AP) – A Marine veteran who used a chokehold on an agitated subway rider was acquitted on Monday in a death that became a prism for differing views about public safety, valor and vigilantism.
A Manhattan jury cleared Daniel Penny of criminally negligent homicide in Jordan Neely’s 2023 death. A more serious manslaughter charge was dismissed earlier in deliberations because the jury deadlocked on that count.
Both charges were felonies and carried the possibility of prison time.
Penny, who had shown little expression during the trial, briefly smiled as the verdict was read. Both applause and anger erupted in the courtroom, and Neely’s father and two supporters were told to leave after making various remarks — including vulgarities from one of the supporters. Another person also left, wailing with tears.
Penny’s lawyers said he was protecting himself and other subway passengers from a volatile, mentally ill man who was making alarming remarks and gestures. (read more)
Interestingly, Ben Crump didn’t represent the Neely ‘family’ inside this case. However, that will likely not stop the grievance industry from using the not guilty verdict in an attempt to enlist chaotic support from Antifa and the remnants of BLM.
Good.
I am street born, Mustang Military officer from 1965 – 1993. This might be something for your educational thoughts and a link for more.
Before the not guilty final plea:
Lawfare has come to the street. Protection of the citizenry is a moral order. The factors of mental illness and homelessness do not deflect from dangerous.
At that moment of defense, there is no law to determine right from wrong. Feelings being inserted in this case deny \ logic. Penny’s intent was to subdue, and this is why the jurors must not come to a Socialist oriented decision.
The factual crime is from 1913. Roscoe Pound, Saint-Simon. Socialized Law substitutes appointed Administrators for judicial Law. This to adjust social interests over individual rights. Supreme Court Justice Frankfurter spoke about “throughgoing overturning” of society. It must be done from the outside and translated by those in office.
Precisely, the actual offense against Mr. Penny was in 1913: 1913 – Roscoe Pound, Saint-Simon. Socialized Law substitutes appointed Administrators for judicial Law.
Many people including some of the jurors having been fed this “socialized law” and educated by Universities selling this as education. This socio-communism orthodoxy now needs to be given a quiet death of its own. This is, in fact, the people’s house, not a splitting of hairs house; the purposely using of a mentally ill person to promote the ( Feelings ), language ( agitprop ) is on the State. Correct mental health is impossible when, in Marx-ISM, the opposite of Logic, is the goal. It becomes legislated Chaos.
To presume the Judge is not mentally ill, being educated in Fabian-ISM, or Marx-ISM should be the seminal question. (Presuming the judge is not mentally ill is questionable seeing that he was educated in Fabian-ISM, Marx-ism by the incident above initiated in Universities and law education.
The infection of our Founding Documents and moral society was and is subtle but constant. Social-ISM, whether Fabian-ISM, or Marx-ISM, is the perpetrator, not Mr. Penny. In fact, since the State promotes Chaos, and knew of the man’s mental state, he is not a victim of Penny, but a victim of the State. To promote this horror, Oregon dismantled their Mental Health Facility Dammish Hospital, and the result? Homeless – people living in tents — you can envision the result, while the ( feel good ) only applies to the fools who are the actual mentally ill – as the ill on the street are the deflection tool.
You see, the definition of ISM ( noun attached ) is: 1. a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology.
2. forming nouns denoting a peculiarity in language: Feeling words versus logic words 3. forming nouns denoting a pathological condition.
Pathological:
1. Involving, caused by, or of the nature of a physical or mental disease: Now you can grasp why everything seems upside down, or backwards as the theory of Social-ISM is spread. The Socio-left uses FEELINGS , while the rational person uses LOGIC. WE the people, must return to LOGIC, as theory will be the death of us all. Raven6 1965 – 1993 via Oath
precisely why all trials need moved out of D.C..
…….And out of New York..
No one in NYC wanted to be in that subway car or station when the lunatic comes through and attacks them with everyone afraid to help. No one. The cops don’t ride the subway like they used to.
I have to go to NYC to assist my Taller Half with surgery next week.
I have lived in NYC for decades. I do not want be out of a hired car and will probably spend $1500 just staying three days while TH is having an acute operation, and then some more if needed.
I am afraid of even being on a sidewalk there. Northern Manhattan Eastside.
Even during the era prior to Rudy Giuliani, I have never had this amount of fright. And I am seasoned.
No officers on the subway? Typical Progressive B$ that they defund the police, let criminals go with no bail and simply not charge anyone for crimes and THEN unleash BLM to savage the town you live in for “INJUSTICES”!
Please yes, until we can have our own state revolution!
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2 nest of liberal weirdos….
That’s for sure.
Perhaps after 1/20/2025, sane elected officials can rescue NY’rs by declaring it a failed state and correspondingly removing the offending parties, installing a “territorial governor” and other minimal needed reforms.
Well first we’ll have to find some sane elected officials in New York.
It should be doable … but it’ll be a real challenge.
This is the issue GB. How does finding a sane person compute to allowing a sane person being elected as a representative? I wish I knew.
Maybe throwing out the machines first will aide 6%.
“Maybe throwing out the machines first…..”
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BINGO! Getting rid of the lying cheaters’ primary mechanisms used to keep their selected candidates winning, and put elections back in the voters hands. Electronic voting has proven beyond doubt to be unreliable, unable to be secured, and rife with options for fraud.
Also require voter I.D., and eliminate mail-in ballots except for pre-requested and registered absentee ballots.
First of all, DC has no jurisdiction for adjudication, IMHO.
This immediately needs to be abolished.
Should anyone be living in the District, their zip code needs to be automatically changed to Virginia or Delaware. Subject to any other commonwealth or state.
Communist chicanery.
“Social-ISM, whether Fabian-ISM, or Marx-ISM”
I wonder if there is some common link between those three.
When Hannibal invaded Italy he won every battle against the Roman army until Fabian was put in charge of the Roman Army. Fabian just kept avoiding major battles and conducting many little raids until Hannibal,s army was weakened and went home , even though Hannibal had won every actual Battle. …….. The Socialists won the Russian Revolution but this alerted the rest of Europe and subsequent Revolutions failed. ….. A group of International Socialists then set up the Fabian Society . ……. Using Fabian,s tactics of many small gains , they would turn the World Communist without people realizing it was a slow motion Revolution. ……. Socialism is the down-slide to Marxism ( Communism ) , and the tactics to get there is Fabianism. …….. Most current Socialists are members of the Fabian Society.
The sigil of the Fabian Society: literally, a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Yes indeed.
This is from the original Fabian Society Manifesto.
https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/shaw-s-fabian-manifesto-1884
Most definitely wolves in sheep’s clothing appear to only want what’s best for society – by giving ALL power to The State Government.
Benjamin Franklin’s famous quote “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” Aptly applies to Fabian-ism, Marx-ism, and Commun-ism.
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Found this detailed history of the Fabian Society….
We can certainly see the current effects today in America
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/179e1ab95dd5478c83114abeca5b4f36
Excellent analysis, thank you
‘The report “provided the foundation stone for much of the modern welfare state.” [9] In 1907, Sidney and Beatrice Webb and several other society members looked for a way to scientifically plan a society through eugenics.“
This so-called Human-ist vision sought to achieve some of their goals by employing eugenics. We still see that happening now with Margaret Sanger’s, also a eugenics believer, Planned Parenthood and all organizations promoting abortion. We also see it in the sterilization and mutilation of confused and depressed “trans”kids. Those kids get most of their “trans” ideas from educators. Education reform was also part of the Fabian manifesto.
And they call President Trumps and his supporters Nazis. This is based on Alinsky’s Rules for radicals to accuse your opponent/s of what you are doing, planning to do, or have done.
I never knew where the “Fabian” came from. Very enlightening! Thank you, makes complete sense.
Dear Robert Powell:
Thank you so much for your description of what is happening with this madness…(of a trial). I appreciate your short description of the issue.
Thank you
Kuddo on the “mustang” military officer! I have known a few back in the day.
The prosecutor certainly is…both mentally ill, and a communist. Born as one, raised as one.
Whew lads. For Penny to be let free, our idols must really, really need a certain type of men to come back to the military.
This is why society become more socialist as women get power. Churches too.
This is the road for pedophelia to become legal………. PLGBTQASS+ is seeing to it!!
God Help US
YES!! “since the State promotes Chaos, and knew of the man’s mental state, he is not a victim of Penny, but a victim of the State.”
He would have been innocent if he put the knee on the neck
He IS innocent. And…Officer Chauvin sits in jail.
Full pardon, day one of the Trump presidency.
While I certainly agree with you, I believe that would most definitely cause the riots they are trying to get going with the Penny acquittal. Why? Because the leftist MSM would refuse to publish the overwhelming evidence of Chauvin’s innocence.
The potential for rioting is a terrible reason to NOT pardon him . Perhaps President Trump should pardon him on the way out of the Oval Office after the new Conservative President has won the 2028 election and has been certified. It’s not fair but it is something I’m sure he will consider.
Waiting 4 more years is hardly righting a wrong if Trump is considering a pardon for him.
Who also did not kill his charge.
The educational link: quite interesting and if one views this a couple of time, than watch Congressional hearings the Master debater training becomes apparent.
Be Blessed
LT Powell
This vid is stellar. Even it’s solution. Absolutely remarkable.
Personally, I’m quite well aware of my biases, because I pursue a goal. So well done.
“Curiosity makes you humble, because you’re aware of how little you know. Humility makes you curious, because you’re aware of how much you’d like to learn.”
What a beautific summation.
“A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.”
This is so true and can most certainly be applied to ALL of those Social Justice issues. In the case of Daniel Penny, the ever present (and untrue) mantra of the left that this country is “systematically racist”. This FJB administration, especially the Press Secretary, has spewed that vitriol for the past four years, most especially in 2021.
don’t understand why the voted to acquit on the lesser charge, when they had some votes for guilty on the manslaughter charge
Doesn’t matter. An innocent man was spared from being wrongly condemned to a long prison term.
yeah, I noticed that, too.
what gives?
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Maybe the juror who wanted guilty got yelled at by spouse or friend.
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12 Angry Hombres
This is the most interesting part of the story.
It looks as if one juror (maybe more, but I doubt it), was dead set on a guilty verdict, against the majority.
But why not continue to hold out for the lesser charge?
What was the train of thought, or the train of emotion?
Finally realized nobody else was going to vote guilty. Finally.
It’s been a waste of time being on this jury. Time to go home.
I don’t understand what ‘criminally negligent homicide’ means, anyway.
If I vote for the lesser charge, it must mean he really was innocent of murder.
It’s all or nothing. I refuse to go along with a lesser charge. It would compromise my principles.
I’ve had my fifteen minutes of being famous. I’m done.
Yep. I truly believe the two attorneys on the jury explained the coercion between the judge and the prosecution.
There was no grounds for either charge. He is a hero. Give the young man a medal, and get his a$$ out of New York.
“criminally negligent homicide” occurs when a defendant kills another person while engaging in conduct that they should have known carried potentially deadly risks.
In proving (criminally) negligent homicide, the prosecution must establish that the defendants knew the risks associated with their actions.
they were mad at the judge. this was probably jury nullification , against the judge.
Indeed – juries do have nullification powers – something every person who is called to Jury Duty should KNOW – but unfortunately, do not.
Bingo!
i’m now thinking that even the guilty voter was shocked and disgusted by the judge corruptly moving on to the lesser charge after the move to dismiss. just too much to stomach even for some of the woke.
Cray- cray world!
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It could have been only 1 person on the deadlock. But i wonder this too. Thank god, is what i say
That’s an FU to the judge, who let them go through days of deliberation before they announced they couldn’t come to a verdict. Then, the judge – in view of that – said, effectively, “OK, let’s drop the more serious charge then (that’d be the one that you’ve been debating for days, but let’s just forget that..) and I’ll get you to go back in now to reconsider this lesser charge that I’m sure you’ll like better…”. Something like that?
My take. This jury worked for a week and failed to reach a unanimous verdict. Twice they went to the judge. The second time, Fat Alvin pulled a fast one and convinced the judge to allow them to consider the second, lesser charge, despite the judge’s jury instructions that they had to have a guilty verdict on the first, more serious manslaughter charge. IMO, the jury left on a Friday night having hoped they had done their job and had to come back to the dingy courtroom Monday am. I’m betting that they were pissed and the minority hanging out for guilty just capitulated. The jury didn’t even hang around for a free lunch on Monday. Heh.
Heh. Fat Alvin.
I had the same question myself, but the more I thought about it, I think I figured out why this particular group of leftist jurors voted to acquit.
They just didn’t like being used by the judge like that, and since that was exactly what the judge was doing, the jury, being hard headed New Yorkers, were insulted, and refused to let the judge force them into a conviction that they didn’t believe in.
That has to be why it only took them 1 hour to make the decision.
I think they figured out what the real game was when the prosecution dropped the more serious charge just to try to get any sort of conviction on “the White Guy.” It never was about justice.
Was the guy ‘mentally ill’. Or was he just an angry a-hole looking to take it out on people on the subway. People have emotions, they get pised off, does that make them ‘mentally ill’. I think we live very much in a time of psychiatric overdiagnosis where people in possession of the ‘bible’, the DSM, then proceed to go around diagnosing everybody. I think the book belongs in the trash.
There’s lots of stuff to get pised about these days, not that it does any good, and anyone that’s been through a rager will tell you its draining on mind body and spirit. Life is not fair. Bad things happen to good people. People we know and love do stupid things to themselves too. Then your cat dies, spouse walks out, car gets towed, TV breaks, lose your job. Should you go beat up people on the subway over it. No. Should you go break stuff and hurt people because somebody said something on the radio or online. No. Self-control, and respect for others. Manners matter. If you’re really really mad about something, go someplace private and calm your ship. Don’t come back ’til you have it handled.
Neely kidnapped a young girl, he has a long history of arrests for crime, they put him in a mental institution and after several months he walked out. Nothing was done. His so called hurt family did nothing to help him as a homeless person. I would say he is bonafide mentally ill as opposed to an angry jerk, but I am not a doctor. I do think the NYC failed their people horribly by not dealing w/this repeat offender. There are tons of articles out there on this guy.
Well, while his “theatrically tear-jerking” so-called family pursues their “civil case” – unless they are quietly instructed to drop it – why are not State social authorities taking a closer look at this so-called “family situation?”
This wretch of a man has been: charged with crimes many times, in-and-out of mental institutions, homeless, zorked on drugs, hungry. Where was his suddenly-caring ‘family?’ Did they even have the common decency to call these social authorities to … say … ask for help?
To me: “Penny did not commit a crime,” but the other guy might have been the target of [criminal?] abuse by his own family. Probably for a good many years. Well, we have protective laws against that. Don’t we?
Penny needs to sue everyone involved in trying to imprison him, even George Satan Soros.
Maybe they did-he did walk away from one mental health hospitalization…he must have been really sick to have been there so long.
…back in the late 80’s, there was a push to give the mentally ill more ‘control’ over their treatment and pushed the outpatient idea (translation, reduce costly inpatient psyche care and move it to outpatient…)–the working theory is that giving the patient control to come to appts and take responsibility would be a factor in their mental health improvement.
…And closed long term mental health facilities…providing the patient with “The Least Restrictive Environment” or outpatient care. And if they want to leave treatment…they can appeal and then be turned loose or when out file ‘false imprisonment’ charges if discharge did not happen…so outpatient was cheaper.
Patient recidivism in what they now call “Behavioral Health Care” is very high.
The system lets these people, the mentally ill and or drug addicts, down.
I wonder if Blackrock bought the properties?
Aggiegirl- Good evening to you, and appreciate your works. These date for your perusal.
– 1840 – The socialist path begins. Saint – Simon a true Socialist, is the founder of Sociology
as a tool for guilt association as well as socializing of society for political purposes.
– 1913 – Roscoe Pound, Saint-Simon. Socialized Law substitutes appointed
Administrators for judicial Law. This to adjust social interests over the individual rights.
Supreme Court Justice Frankfurter spoke about “ throughgoing overturning” of society. It must
be done from the outside and translated by those in office.
– 1926 – Communist Psychopolitics – The description of a course taught at the “Lenin
Institute” to Americans sent by John D. Rockefeller. Rockefeller was member of the CFR
– This course still exists. What is “Psychopolitics? The art & science of asserting and
maintaining dominion over the thoughts and loyalties of Individuals, Officers, bureaus, and
Masses and the effecting of the conquest of enemy Nations through “Mental Healing”.
Psychopolitics, is a less known oblique to Geo-politics, dealing with molding the highest
strata of the “Mental Healing” arena . Objective, conquest through social chaos. Beria,
Mass Murderer of entire villages in the Russian conquests, was the Professor of the 2 year
course.
– Authors note: Beria was the longest-surviving and the most influential of Stalin’s secret
police chiefs of the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD). The responsibility of
the NKVD was to ensure the internal security of the Soviet Union and it systematically did so
through massive political repression, authorized murders of many hundreds of thousands of politicians and citizens, kidnappings, assassinations, and mass deportation.
You are so correct in the closing of Mental Health facilities, create crisis, generate pressure and in Oregon, the State then created Tax, and you have the mentally ill to shame the citizen, as he is on the street, in tents, etc. That is the plan. In Oregon the land was turned into high value housing, so no
valid care. The push is for Government Healthcare, and to a degree, both parties share the guilt. This link will be of value to you: https://www.hiddendominion.com/45-communist-goals-congressional-record-1963/
I enjoy your posts, and Oregon is in fact a failed State. Many malefactors within our political arena both State and Federal. In this list is the Mental thought process, of really the Socio-Communist objective.
Be Blessed – Raven6 1965 – 1993 -no more War.
you can thank the ACLU for the closure of the mental institutes. They started the legal attacks against the states for keeping the violent insane locked up.
“Caring” family likely looking for a chance at a ghetto lottery payday.
Daniel Penny doesn’t have a but a deep pocket.
Mike – well said – The State committed the crime, for not incarcerating ( mentally needing controls ) and the parents left him on the street. The parents could not control him, the State ignored responsibility. In my article above I note 1913, while the State has no discussion of Marxism in their Constitution. The State is both corrupt and criminally responsible. As to the parents, leaving their son on the street for some 30 -years? Seriously? And then to be suing? they should be happy he was not successful, as the usual is a stabbing etc. As to the Jury, the dismissal of charges after the first issue, and then the Judge tainted the case. The Jury got wise, and in effect saw through the Judge. He should be disbarred or removed.
Be well Mike – Be blessed.
You can bet the jury was not allowed to hear anything about any of Neely’s prior brushes with the law. That’s been my experience on juries I’ve been on anyway.
Yes, I think it’s considered “immaterial” to the charge at hand.
The Neely person was mentally ill…the history of the types of crimes speak to that…and if under the influence of whatever drugs…made it worse…or maybe long ago, caused his mental illness OR mental illness sent him into the world of drug use/abuse. The human body is not intended to have chemicals in it.
Another example of the destruction caused by the flow of illegal drugs? The cost to the individuals involved. Jordan Neely…and his family, caring or not. And Daniel Penny. All involved will need some sort of help, psychological or spiritual.
Back to the cost…monumental time and money spent because of what happened. And again, the emotional cost to all involved.
Here is a link about K2, which is also known as ‘bath salts’ and are related to amphetamines. Interesting link and it points out that these products originate “overseas”….China?
Does anyone remember the problems with “bath salts” in and around the Obama years?
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ondcp/ondcp-fact-sheets/synthetic-drugs-k2-spice-bath-salts
During Bath-House Barry?
Why yes, we do!
How about sending that link to RFK Jr ?
Perhaps he could dive into the results of encouraging “legal” drug use.
There hundreds, maybe thousands of Neely’s in NYC. It’s disgusting. Cuomo sr. Did no one any favors closing the asylums instead of fixing what was wrong.
Was the guy ‘mentally ill’. Or was he just an angry a-hole looking to take it out on people on the subway.
Sounds like the uncle has the same condition.
I have experience with a much loved family member with schizophrenia. When the person is an adult, there is nothing you can do. Family members do not have rights. The mentally ill person has all of the rights, and that includes the right to be mentally ill. You can report them. When law enforcement or social services comes out, if they aren’t an immediate threat, they are left to themselves. If they can wipe their own butt, they are considered competent. The person has to literally commit a crime or pose a threat in public to get them in custody. The Baker Act is just a three day hold. Mental services and social services in Florida is awful. We would contact our family member’s psychiatrist and primary doc for help, and they were useless. Basically, as a family member, you just hope the person doesn’t cause another harm while not wanting that person living with yourself for obvious reasons. It is stressful to have people calling us asking why we as a family aren’t doing anything when we tried repeatedly to get inpatient care for our loved one who went off his meds.
Hey Bert , this is a little off topic and I’m not trying to diagnose/convince/proselytize etc. But…..
I believe the times we are living in are times of lost souls not ( I agree ) psychiatric overdiagnosis. Anger is a huge symptom of a rebeling , angry , lost soul . I should know , that was me at one time. I’ve been angry enough to seriously injure someone or worse . My problem was that I was separated from God . Not that I was mentally ill .
I totally agree with you on the cause of a lot of societies problems , anger etc . The root of it though , I believe , is separation from God . And I also believe the only way back for this country is Jesus Christ . Again I’m not disputing what you are saying , I’m just adding my 2 cents . I apologize if I’ve offended you.
This incident was politicized by Bragg and spun to be some sort of racially motivated attack. It was neither, Bragg is despicable.
Bragg is an ignorant race baiter. Not unlike several other pieces of leftist garbage that want to see the turmoil they cause explode. Race baiting is big money.
Yeah, just ask that sleazy Benjamin Crump, or his bouncer/enforcer partner Parks.
Since they didn’t get Kyle Rittenhouse, they were going after Daniel Penny.
Notice the political timing, with Bragg in the midst of it.
Like George Floyd, this was timed to the election.
With what they put him through they still punished him. That’s assuming it didn’t cost anything
I am happy to see him happy. I wish I could buy him a beer.
https://www.aol.com/daniel-penny-celebrates-not-guilty-190011816.html
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Lawyers are real happy. They got fully paid, thanks to givesendgo fund. It’s unfortunate that Penny can’t have whatever is left over. It goes to “mental health advocacy”. I.e. useless froufra.
(By the way, Penny grabbed Neely from behind without warning him. it’s nore dangerous, but it tends to work better for “self defense” if first a lunatic like Neely is loudly ordered to sit down and stfu by someone prepared to punch his lights out when he responds with a physical attack.)
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The look on his face is priceless, and what a boost for his defense attorneys law firm…OK the defense attorneys…are they toasting as well? It begs the question….
WHO WAS THE DESIGNATED DRIVER?
Who drives in NYC? You take Uber, cabs, Lyft, or public transportation.
Uber or Lyft or a taxi or car service…..
Me too…so happy for him…have a pint on me.
The real failure that no one seems to be talking about is the failure of the mental health system. I have worked in behavioral health, and schizophrenia is no joke. Where is the commentary on how dangerously mentally ill persons [to themselves and others] continuously fall through the cracks of every system.
True fact: people with serious mental illness have a lifespan 25 years shorter on average for a variety of reasons including drug abuse, suicide because the voices tell them to do it, violence, etc.
How about we investigate all the NYC institutions that failed all persons involved in the incident from the former marine to the passengers to the deceased perpetrator.
It’s a major issue, who is responsible for people with a mental issue.
They hope, families. The system views them as ‘adults’ capable of caring for themselves if they can walk and talk and does not want to care for them. Its a very sad situation out there.
If some patients are lucky, they can get into a long term group home. Others get stashed in long term nursing homes. Others end up on the streets. Think of our dear Veterans. And the homeless…they seem to get by but not in a good way… but toss in a mental illness?
The care of the mentally ill patient is often emotionally draining and challenging. Alzheimer’s patients are a good example. So are the seriously autistic. Then consider the cognitively deficient (mentally retarded).
It requires an endurance that most of us do not have. Families often start off with good intentions. I imagine like Neely’s and they may have said “No more”.
True, many families don’t have the resources or capabilities to cope, your example of Alzheimer’s patients or elderly parents with a mentally effected adult child.
“True fact: people with serious mental illness have a lifespan 25 years shorter on average for a variety of reasons including drug abuse, suicide because the voices tell them to do it, violence, etc.”
the shorter the life the better if they’re dangerous.
Actually the better for everyone else if we’re being honest.
See my post, sort of a brief history if you will, to ‘leavemygunsalone’
This all started when in health care, everyone was freaking out about “Baby Boomers” retiring and the alleged financial catastrophic impact that the health care industry would face. BTW, I am a baby boomer and I ain’t retiring anytime soon…but that was the start of restructuring health care.
Like Sundance’ pot of milk cooking…then all at once. And bean counters had a problem with healthy walkie talky patients being hospitalized for long periods of time…with little financial compensation for the extended hospital stays…patients would get about 2-3 hours of group therapy… and maybe individual therapy…the rest of the time…they were being ‘warehoused’. I worked psyche for a while too.
And look where we are now…
My mother, who committed suicide 33 years ago when I was 35 years old, was raised by two demons from hell. Her father sexually abused her from an extremely young age (she guessed 5 years old) and her mother tried multiple times to kill her (once by trying to push her down their basement stairs backwards).
Mom left her “family” home at 16 and 4 years later met my dad, a man raised by Godly parents. Dad’s mom was more of a mother to my mom than her mother ever was. . .
Mom fought her demons, but they seemed to catch up to her from time-to-time, so she’d go see doctors for help.
Long before covid opened many people’s eyes to the evils of big harma, I had mine opened by seeing how the medical industry failed my mother.
The only “help” they gave was prescription drugs. Drugs is right. At one point my husband poured all her prescribed pills into a big bowl; they reached the top of the bowl and looked like colorful candy.
Can’t tell you the number of holiday celebrations that were cancelled at the last moment because mom was either having an episode of bad drugs or of having an episode of failing to get herself off the bad drugs. She tried, but she truly received no help from doctors — whom she still trusted to do the right thing. My dad loved my mom, and although he knew she was truly sick, he knew, too, that she was doing the best she could.
She was very sick for most of her life. Her family, especially her devoted husband, and her children, loved her dearly. Looking back now, 20/20 vision and all, I know we failed her.
When dad died of cancer it only took 40 days for mom to take all the unused morphine that had been prescribed for dad to end her life.
25 years.
25 later she would have died 8 years ago at 84.
Wow! What a heartbreaking story. Your mom and my wife have some difficulties in common with parents so I know what your father (and you!) went through. I’m very sorry for your loss, Raven!
Thank you, Joe.
I pray for you and your wife, that the Lord heals the pain and torture from horrific events which happened in her past.
And any man who can relate to what my dad went through with my mom is a saint in my eyes.
Thank you, Raven!
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You didn’t fail her. There is no fix for childhood emotional damage. It’s always there, even if the individual is strong and learns to use left brain to suppress it and be functional. But then, at times when there is high emotional stress from something else…
As for psych drugs, they’re like giving novocaine to a person with a toothache and sending him on his way. Doesn’t fix the tooth, and has side effects.
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Psych drugs. . . the lazy doctors way of making money and not helping anyone ever.
What a story, Raven! You just never know the things that people grapple with behind the scenes.
My father, valedictorian at both Washington & Lee College & Harvard Law School, alcoholic, abuser, put a bullet in his head at 64. He so abused my brilliant mom that she had a breakdown & was institutionalized, had shock treatments, got her graduate degree & went into teaching after he threw her away … But she never really made it all the way back to stability. I think she was emotionally fragile all her life.
She came to Christ 3 weeks before she died of cancer, finally at peace, now & for eternity.
One brother of mine died of an accidental drug overdose, his twin committed suicide. I’m the only one that survived.
I’m so sorry you went through such tragedy. One can spend years trying to make some sense of it. It sounds as if you came to some peace about it. IMO, there are some things that only Christ can heal.
Bless you. And you too, Joe.
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When are we going to recognize that just because someone “needs” treatment doesn’t mean that there -IS- any efficacious treatment? There isn’t even such a thing as “the mind”. All psychs have are drugs that in one way or another suppress this or that brain function.
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NYC is rife with mentally ill and the criminally insane all over the city. There are hundreds/thousands of these folks. Cuomo sr closed all the mental health institutions and change Mattewean to a regular prison. He did not help the state, the bill or. their victims. Reform was needed, not 100% closures.
Neeley was arrested 42 times by the NYPD and still allowed to live on the subway and harass paying passengers!
It’s a symptom of a seriously diseased legal system in most Democrat run cities where the criminal is considered the real victim and is treated like a customer in an exclusive restaurant.
…and we know that the customer is always right!
The PD can get the perp in court and the judge can order care…if the individual is ‘not capable of compliance’…there is little follow up…we see them sleeping in the ER’s here in Chicagoland. And on the EL…
The different systems overlap but evade anything productive…social systems/advocacy groups, health care system, legal system, churches etc…and then getting patient compliance.
I did a covid nursing gig in a big county FL jail…1400 inmates…and about 1399 had drug problems and mental health issues.
I worked for several years with Prison Fellowship, trying to help the families left behind by the incarcerated.
Even with my family dysfunction as a reference point, what I saw in those families just broke me. There was NO SIMILARITY between what I considered “normal” & their life experience … NOTHING. I didn’t even know where to start, and that’s unusual for me.
And I saw it all through that group of people, over & over & over again. There was no fix. Still isn’t.
Scott Johnson on Powerline, “Despite Penny’s acquittal, the prosecution achieved the effect of deterring the protection of Good Samaritans and punishing an innocent man through the process.” He’s so right.
Infuriating.
Thank God for good things. What a good man he is, stepping forward while others backed away. Justice prevailed.
Pushing the commoners down by high inflation and loss of decent paying manufacturing jobs, then drastically increasing housing costs with spiking demand by immigrants and the investor class pumped with government fiat money, pushes more through the bottom to homelessness, addiction, mental illness, and crime.
And voila! Another incident with an aggressive crazed addict on the street, fodder for another round of racist violent “protests” in response.
Look around. Do you see more destitute people these days?
Some wonder if it is all per Plan. The high inflation and spiking housing costs, drug flood, and racist programming (CRT, DEI) are all by intent, that much is evident. Merely coincidence?
Oh yes. Full spectrum warfare on our society stems from an overarching strategy, a philosophy of warfare. You see it in Syria, we’ve seen it since at least MacKinder’s geostategic premise in 1904, or you can see it in Democrat political science since JP Morgan’s bank panic in 1907.
(Not going off topic here, I’m talking about the philosophy currently taught in our law schools as well as in academy, domestic politics, and geopolitics.)
The overall strategy is not to defeat one’s enemies with a clear victory; rather, it is to sow disorder in an area, region, or culture so that one’s competitors cannot coalesce or operate.
Those competitors could be a nation, a political party, or a homogeneous society, such as a white Christian society.
Their resources are tied up in a thousand petty squabbles and rearguard actions, while one’s own resources are organized and coordinated into an effective thrust, a long march even while ‘failing up’.
A counter to the BLM incitement
MAUREEN CALLAHAN: Daniel Penny is a vindicated hero. Now it’s up to us to warn the vengeful BLM extremists that if anything happens to him, there’ll be all hell to pay
Praise God that jury came to the right decision- in NYC no less!
I know people who legally conceal carry. In casual conversat8on the consensus of when to get involved is limited to the concealed carrier and their immediate family. The legal liability potential when inserting yourself into other situations is so great that the average person must think twice before doing so, and that is a shame. And Penny now faces a civil suit so he’s not out of the woods yet.
People have a very distorted idea of what the Concealed Carry coarse curriculum covers, and many were shocked that most don’t have any firearms proficiency requirements.
The main thrust is on how much you DO NOT want to use deadly force, as the statistics say you will likely have to endure 3 seperate “trials”; in Criminal Court, in Civil Court, and in the Court of Public Opinion, and your life will be forever changed, and rarely in a good way.
In NYS, unless you are in your home or on your own property, you are required to retreat, if safe to do so before using deadly physical force.
This true.
Ideally. . .
Retreat to safety, leave the ‘hot zone’ area if possible.
Take cover if a retreat is not possible.
Engage threat as a last resort.
Of course, once the proverbial shtf, keep a cool head and pray for the best.
Oh, and train as much as possible with your weapon, and keep it well maintained.
Yes, which means we can’t develop a unified front to defend our way of life;
we can’t use Crazy, while they can.
Interesting similarities in this case and the Derek Chauvin/George Floyd case. Both fentanyl laced deaths happened after the accused murderer let go and EMT’s took responsibility. Both restraint methods are not known to cause deaths, and both Neely and Floyd were out of control.
Biggest difference is Chauvin was convicted of murder for a knee restraint that is shown in the MPLS police training manual.
Chauvin was railroaded by a weak judge and DOJ LAWFARE prosecutors on loan to the Minneapolis District Attorney’s Office using a corrupt medical examiner from Chicago, Dr. Lubin, who lied in his expert testimony that “merely kneeling on someone’s back for nine minutes will cause death.” The Minneapolis ME’s report said Floyd died from a massive overdose of Fentanyl and Meth!
The defense attorney was grossly incompetent and should have simply demonstrated by having someone kneel on his back for nine minutes in the courtroom in front of the jury…and then stand up saying…IT DIDN’T HURT A BIT!
As I noted above, it was politcally timed. The Left has autists dedicated to scouring the news just for such useful cases as these to spotlight.
OTOH, was there any reason for Chauvin to continue a knee restraint for that long, police manual or not? Floyd was already restrained and no longer out of control, and wasn’t going to be able to escape or hurt anyone. Shouldn’t that have been the guiding factor?
When Floyd said he couldn’t breathe, the new younger officer suggested Chauvin let him up for air, but Chauvin refused and continued his hold. Floyd was on the ground and handcuffed — why not just sit him up as they waited for the EMTs to come? He wasn’t going anywhere. Seems like that would have been the smart and humane thing.
Floyd was sitting in the back of a police SUV and going to taken to the ER. He was starting to get violent yelling he wanted to get out of the vehicle because he couldn’t breathe! So they took him out and waited for the EMT which got lost…
Floyd was a parolee and 6’6″ and 280 pounds high on Fentanyl and meth. As a parolee on drugs and arrested he was going back to prison to serve the rest of his sentence.
He knew that and didn’t want to go back! Should the cops have just let him get in his car and drive home?
Who said anything about letting him get in his car and drive home? Please stick to the script. Yes, initially he was combative. But once they took him out and had him handcuffed and he was no longer resisting, obviously in a weakened state and saying he couldn’t breathe, why the need to lean on his neck face down on the ground for nine minutes?
I am pro-law enforcement and generally give them the benefit of the doubt. I understand that they have to make hard split second life and death decisions. But unfortunately, I’ve seen instances where they go from enforcing the law or self-protection to letting the adrenaline take over, and shifting into bullying or power-tripping. The following account lines up with what I was saying, and observed from the video of the Floyd incident:
A former Minneapolis police supervisor, on duty the night George Floyd died, says officers could have stopped restraining him after he was handcuffed and no longer resisting.
That testimony from David Pleoger, now retired, was a key part of the prosecution’s case on the fourth day of the murder trial of former officer Derek Chauvin…
For the prosecution, Pleoger, who had worked with Chauvin for eight years, and whose duties as a sergeant included reviewing police use-of-force incidents, may have offered the most important evidence.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/george-floyd-derek-chavin-1.5972626
REALLY GREAT news. Thanks.
This needed to happen. It’s also a good thing that Kamala overspent on her campaign by 20 million that there is nothing left to feed to blm and antifa.
“Who do you want on the next train ride with you?” one of his lawyers, Steven Raiser, said in his closing statement in Manhattan Supreme Court.”
The courtroom broke out in applause while Neely’s father screamed and had to be escorted out.
“Racist f—ing country,” one Black Lives Matter supporter yelled as she left the room. Another Neely supporter, turning to Penney, screamed, “It’s a small world, buddy,” before leaving the room.”
Obungler planted these racist/bad cop seeds. I always know what era people came of age in when they use the race card.
The tide is turning on that punk too, Clooney realized O used him then threw him under the bus.
This is great news and deserved. Unfortunately, Penny still has a Civil Trial still hanging over his head.
If someone is entitle to some damages, it would be the 42 victims of Neely. I suggest a class action suit by those that file a suit against Penny and Penny should go for everything he can get from anyone looking for a handout as being a responsible party for not looking out for the interest of a sick person. This could really get interesting.
This is great news for him and his family.
Don’t mean to be frivolous but Penny is seriously hot. Like Audie Murphy, a hero from WWII, could a movie career be far behind? He deserves some benefits from the anguish he has been put through!
Heh. Couldn’t help but notice in the drawing one of the sheeple wearing a mask.
this was not justice served. Justice served will be when he files a law suit against these corrupt sobs and wins. there was no reason for this to even have been a trial.
we all know it.
Travesty!
Thumb’s UP!
Dear Fat Alvin Bragg:
Daniel Penny Is FREE !!!!!!!!
A look at Dafna Yoran the LGBTQ New York DA who prosecuted Daniel Penny for Manslaughter. Yoran works for DA Alvin Bragg. You can not believe how insane this lunatic woman is…
Neely’s father likely could not have picked his son out of a lineup before the trial.
Get ready for the wrongful death lawsuit…
And now, there will be low chance that will be accepted.
Speaking to a retired Ohio attorney tonight, I asked if the two attorneys on the jury might be able to explain the coercion that may be taking place between the judge and the prosecution to land any type of charge on this man.
The answer was, ” Well, yes, because any attorney would understand this maneuver.”
The added response was that the jury should be furious.
Now that’s Justice! He was protecting us! That’s what he’s trained to do! Semper Fi Oh Rah 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
By a “Sleep Hold”, not a “Choke Hold.”
And now, Penny’s going to have to prepare himself for the “Family’s” lawsuit. Even though that guy had been arrested some 42 times prior, and was threatening to kill people there.
So when and if the dirty thugs start their gold tooth riot party do the NY police get to sick the dogs on and water hoses?
With a new FBI Director in place funds for Antifa and BLM can be funneled to defunded police departments. We need cops on the subways.
Dont think it will work this time or at least not on the scale of 2020. What they don’t understand is these “black folks” ride the subway, live in these horrible, crime ridden, feces infested neighborhoods and are sick to death of the lies and manipulation.
Prayers for Perry’s future safety!
Funny, but the ill-spoken sidewalk freaks lacked the presence of both Crump and Sharpton. They threatened to choke white people and NY is their city? You guys couldn’t plan a one-car funeral and you run the city to ruin…with their justice system to help. Good job, mini-mob!
NY Slimes will never change…hope they go belly up:
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxA_T6XgFGGc5f5gGCOlOeulQ_n7rOhJq7?si=71Ou0Ngf5IJWL7CS
A total disgrace that the jury took more than 10 minutes to come to the conclusion that he was not guilty. What is wrong with New Yorkers these days?
Prepare yourselves for another round of “George Floyd” style riots
If Penny was a cop or a city employee, Crump would have been all over this. No money to be made move along folks nothing to see here.
And now bring on the civil trials! He can still be civilly sued to oblivion! Let each family member garnish his wages until his last breath! The process is the punishment!
I’m not really rooting this on, but we all know it’s going to happen. Every family member that the “victim” had will be suing for millions, despite not wanting anything to with him in life.
all I know is his girlfriend is a lucky lady..I hope if that is what they want they have a fruitful life together.I am worried about
his safety,however. I am less worried about his legal bills..think there is already 3 million pledged and it he needs more he will
get it..am sure DJT will see that he gets the Medal of Freedom or something..that ought to set the crazies over the edge..AND
the reason A. Bragg is such a ***k is because he hates himself for being so ugly..
We have a serious problem race and it needs to be dealt with. 13% of the population is holding this nation hostage in so many ways and the majority needs to rise up and put an end to it. It’s already started.
This verdict was extra special in that the fat & equally corrupt Fat Alvin Bragg conspired with the Judge to have the worst charge removed AFTER the jury announced that they were deadlocked. The lesser charge remained & Fat Alvin was banking that the jury was then going to CONVICT Penney on that charge which still gives Fat Alvin & his equally fat ego a much-needed win.
Ah, but the jury b-slapped Fat Alvin & the judge by declaring Penney INNOCENT of the lesser charge after a mere 1 hour of additional deliberation.
Take that & stuff it Fat Alvin!! And how ’bout trying to convict/incarcerate those bastards running wild in your City knowing that they won’t even need to make bail for their actual crimes!!
And once again Fat Alvin, you did a magnficient job wasting New Yorkers’ taxpayer $$$’s on pursuing this non-crime.
Hey… all you decent people that live in NYC…..LEAVE!
Next in store for you will be the horrific stories of people being slaughtered in the streets and “onlookers” will simply draw the blinds! I SAW NOTHING!