Each year on December 7, we honor and remember the 2,403 service members and civilians who were killed during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. A further 1,178 people were injured in the attack, which permanently sank two U.S. Navy battleships (the USS Arizona and the USS Utah) and destroyed 188 aircraft.
Today is the 83rd anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor.


Thank you Sundance.
Amen. And this is tied to important reasons why we are born free.
This is why they are referred to as “The Greatest Generation”! My father fought in the Philippines. He always referred to coming home as: The Golden Gate in ’48!
Thank,you for this Remembrance
My Mother was 14 and was on Waikiki Beach that day. She is in Heaven but being born in Hawaii this always is a heartbreaker 💔
My Great Uncle was there that day and he’s there again today at the age of 102. They don’t make them like that anymore. God bless you Uncle Kenneth.
WoW! How wonderful for your Uncle to be there today for this solemn day of reflection.
So blessed that you have him and can share memories from the Greatest Generation.
My great uncle, from my mom’s side, was there that day also. Seaman First Class Randall Thomas, West Virginia: USS Arizona.
I had another great uncle on my dad’s side stationed at Hickam. A LTC in Army Air Corps. He was more fortunate.
SFC Thomas served with my husband’s uncle, Marvin Geise. He was only 18. Not sure what is position was but I seem to recall it was said he was likely below deck.
Your great uncle made the news with a photo https://www.carolinacoastonline.com/national/article_e99c9b6e-b4e2-11ef-bd4d-d36e9c9f9452.html
Yep, that’s him! Thanks for the link, Dave.
Ken Stevens. Thank him for his service for me next time you are in touch with him.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-pearl-harbor-survivors-ages-104-and-102-return-to-hawaii-to-honor-those-killed-83-years-ago/ar-AA1vsiT4?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=4b6de5660eb443b9d43faa49b254f383&ei=150
Isn’t that last pic of the explosion from J6?
And Ray Epps and AOC pulled out hundreds of people who were on fire and smothered all the flames out!!!
A day of remembering the devastation of that day and the four years that followed!.
God Bless all of those men and women that died that day!
My Grandfather served in WWII and my Grandmother was one of the first women to join the new Waves, the naval force of women.
My late husband, FIL, and BIL visited the memorial in Pearl Harbor over 20 years ago. While they were there, there was a group of Asian visitors, perhaps Japanese, also present that were laughing and cutting up. My Father In Law most certainly gave them a piece of his mind. They shut up completely after that “conversation”.
How disrespectful! Why even visit such a solemn place if you are not going to take it seriously! The USS Arizona under their feet is a graveyard. So happy your FIL put them in their place!
I’ve read that the behavior of the ‘younger generations’ at Auschwitz is often despicable.
My cousin & her husband experienced a similar situation when at the Memorial in Pearl Harbor about 30 years ago.
This behavior raised an unanswered question for me: Why do these people go to the Memorial? Only one reason seems likely & that is that they go to mock us.
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I’ve seen many Japanese at the Memorial over the years and have never seen this kind of behavior. Got up today around 7 AM, just about sunrise. It was a bit overcast yesterday but this morning another beautiful day in paradise. Looking downslope from where I live up by Wheeler Field, looked south towards Pearl Harbor middle loch. You never get over that feeling. Tomorrow is the Honolulu Marathon and you remember that life goes on.
They have a little theater at the Memorial where they show a film before the Navy takes you out to the actual Memorial. it’s a nice film. They also greatly improved the museum that’s there. You can also visit the submarine Bowfin known as “Pearl Harbor Avenger” and on Ford Island the Missouri and Pacific Air Museum.
If you have base access you can visit the Utah Memorial on the back side of Ford Island, and they have a walking tour of the island. On Hickam side there is a little memorial for the Nevada on the walking/bike path along the harbor entrance channel by AF housing. Also 15th AW/PACAF HQ building still has bullet pockmarks.
At one time I think there was some sort of marker by the old Naval Base HQ Building 1 by the shipyard where they broke the Japanese naval codes prior to Midway but not sure there is anything there now. That shipyard is where the Yorktown, heavily damaged at Coral Sea returned and the yard patched her up in a few days so she would be available for Midway where she was lost, but not until giving the IJN carriers a devastating blow from which they could not recover.
It is moving that the “bookends” of the War, The USS Arizona and the USS Missouri are bow to bow only a short distance apart.
And if history is truthful, Roosevelt knew this was coming. My father served in the the Navy in the Pacific, spent time in Hawaii. He never talked about what he saw. God bless all who served in WWII.
It is the way FDR took us from being an isolationist country to the preeminent power in the world. Apparently the lives lost and injured was satisfactory to him to bring us into a “perfect peace”
Yes .
Was stationed at PH , have stood in memorial (like top picture )
and read the list of senior officers killed .
Damn few ….others had been ordered to attend event in Honolulu…..
knew several local people who knew this ….
Important read. Will have you fuming.
So will this;
Pearl harbor ; the story of the secret war by Morgenstern, George
Yes. See Robert B. Stinnett’s book, “Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor”. Stinnett was a Navy radioman during WWII, turned journalist. While doing research at the National Archives in Belmont, CA, he came across unindexed records of Japanese Navy code transmissions. They show that the only ones ‘surprised’ by the Dec 7th attack were those at Pearl. They were PURPOSELY uninformed. The scapegoats were Admiral Kimmel and General Short, commanders in Hawaii of the Navy and Army, who were DEPRIVED of intelligence that might have averted many of the military deaths.
“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” (George Orwell)
Both my dad and uncle served in the Army during WWII. Both were in the Philippines. My dad later went to Okinawa.
Sounds like the Israel Mossad on 10-7-23
-Firstly: My thoughts are with all those who perished that day, their immediate families, and also their decendants right up to present day. – In particular the servicemen at Pearl put up a brave defense in the face of an overwhelming surprise attack…
…- That being said Japan, by diverse means, was placed in an impossible bind in the lead-up to the attack. A formerly feudal and *completely* insular nation, following the sudden arrival of Commodore Matthew Perry’s expedition in Edo Bay in 1853, was suddenly obliged to open itself up to the world at large and to modernize (which it proceeded to do so, remarkably, in the space of some 50-odd years) and thus engage in the great-power geopoliticking of the time.
With strategic interests in Manchuria, on the continental mainland (Think: sphere of influence), and whilst simultaneously attempting to fight off Communist influences both at home and abroad as a result of the Russian revolution and Chinese civil war, as well as insufficient supply of essential raw materials domestically, the Japanese government and society was driven eventually to an extremal form of ultranationalism with an inherently religious justification/rationalization (given the Japanese natal belief in the decent of the Imperial family from their creator sun god Okami Amaterasu).
On the eve of the Pacific War Japan had, arguably, the most state-of-the-art navy in the world. Add in the aforementioned commie/imperial/resource issues and FDR’s oil embargo, *PLUS* the *Deliberately Intentional* US navy intel snafu, and the attack on Pearl Harbor was not only inevitable, not only known about beforehand on the US side, but arguably yet another example of a Bankster-authored script played out. Just like how the Banksters backed both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany in the European theater…
…- If any of the above resonates, just bear in mind that the USA and the collective West may very soon find itself in a similar bind to post-Tokugawa Japan…
…- And please remember kids: – *ALL* wars are *Bankster* wars (- *Hat Tip*, Maj-Gen Smedley Darlington Butler, USMC)…
Japan placed itself in its “impossible bind”. It instigated war against China to “protect” Joseon/Korea, then turned Korea into a colony. Then turned to create the puppet Manchukuo government north of Korea, fighting Russia who had taken Port Arthur (Darian) after WWI (which the Japanese thought should be theirs as a spoil of war since the Japanese had attacked the German force in China). Then launched another war against China unmatched in brutality. When the west responded, Japan complained the “ABCD Powers” were out to get it, and prepared for invasion of SE Asia and the British/Dutch colonies in the East Indies. I had Thanksgiving with a Dutch woman who was a little girl in the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) during the war. Her grandfather and father (civilians) were rounded up by the Japanese and killed. My next door neighbor also had the men in her family in Manila killed by the Japanese.
So I’m not too impressed by the “impossible bind”.
The picture reminds me of the Statler Brothers: “More Than a Name on a Wall”.
Such a touching song. Makes me think so much about the men who have fought and paid such a high price.
DD
Someone mentioned on television the other day, possibly Carl Higbie or Joey Jones, to “live like someone worth dying for…” thinking of all the brave men who have fought for America and those who died. As they say, Land of the Free Because of the Brave.
My father enlisted in the Navy when he was 17. After basic training the Japanese surrendered so he never fought.
He joked he had a horseshoe where the sun don’t shine.
100-year-old Pearl Harbor survivor recalls confusion and chaos during Japanese bombing 83 years ago
https://nypost.com/2024/12/07/us-news/pearl-harbor-navy-survivor-bob-fernandez-recalls-japanese-bombing-on-83-anniversary/
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Bob Fernandez thought he’d go dancing and see the world when he joined the US Navy as a 17-year-old high school student in August 1941.
Four months later he found himself shaking from explosions and passing ammunition to artillery crews so his ship’s guns could return fire on Japanese planes bombing Pearl Harbor, a Navy base in Hawaii.
“When those things go off like that, we didn’t know what’s what,” said Fernandez, who is now 100. “We didn’t even know we were in a war.”
“I’m not a hero. I’m just nothing but an ammunition passer,” he told The Associated Press in a phone interview from California, where he now lives with his nephew in Lodi.
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He is a hero.
God bless our military veterans🙏
War is Hell and life’s a bitch!
Kilroy was here!
There is one of the many reasons they ARE the greatest generation!!!
I cannot comprehend what these mostly very young men had to endure that day. And in the days following. God Bless the souls who were lost that day, and the souls who have passed onto Heaven since. God Bless the few remaining survivors as we thank them profusely for their service.
Thank you to all Treepers, past and present who served or are serving our country’s armed forces. Coming from a long line of military service; You have a special place in my heart.
I will always my 4th grade teacher, Mrs. Albertson at Bonneyview Elementary School in Redding Ca, on Pearl Harbor Day 1972 say:
I will never buy a Japanese car!
She might have been in her 20s Dec 7, 1941. I will always wonder if she lost a family member or friend at Pearl Harbor that today. I think all my teachers back then were either in WWII or had family that served.
took my Dad 50 years before he bought a Camry.🥲🙂
Some of mine were former refugees turned citizens. Lots of people in our neighborhood too.
Blessings, gratitude and respect for those who make the ultimate sacrifice. 🙏🏻
We were a stronger people 83 years ago… now many are weak and whiny…
Also.. I now see that our government was full of Crap Weasels 83 years ago… it has just gotten worse.
We were stronger then because we were less diverse. JMO
They were made of sterner stuff. Made so by surviving the great depression.
Diversity does not induce strength.
If it’s natural diversity, but not if it’s forced on people.
Diversity is the opposite of Unity.
I highly recommend a book “Pearl Harbor: Why, How, Fleet Salvage and Final Appraisal”, by Homer Wallin. Wallin was tasked to be the salvage officer to deal with the carnage of that day. The Navy salvage divers were unsung heroes in getting much of the fleet back afloat and ready for action.
No to mention the grisly task of the divers entering dark ship passageways and recovering burned, crushed, and maimed decomposing friends and buddies.
In 1981 I boarded a small craft and set out from the pier near the sub base part of Pearl Harbor and set out for the USS Arizona memorial.
There my escorts raised an American flag, replacing the one that had flown before my arrival.
I then raised my hand and reenlisted on the platform above the deck of the tomb that lay on the bottom. They then lowered the flag and presented it to this humble ET3 (SS).
For the next 40+ years, and counting, I have worked in, around and for the USN and our allies around the world.
To this day I pray that I have, in some way, honored those who witnessed that day be they living or sitting with God.
I am living a very blessed life.
I salute my fellow Squids and especially the bubbleheads.
I haven’t heard the term “bubblehead” in a while…the ex was a submariner…
I had an uncle who served on a sub in WW II.
My Dad was a Squid. Korean War Veteran.
I thank God for people who stand up against evil.
My father served on Tiannemen island at the end of the war.
RIP, dad.
The second worst intelligence failure in the History of these United States.
It wasn’t a failure. Army signal Intelligence detected what was coming the day before. Delaying the warning to the American military commands at Honolulu (Pearl Harbor) was deliberate act by Roosevelt’s & his co-conspirators in DC. From their POV, it was a success.
“Comprehensive research has shown not only that Washington knew in advance of the attack, but that it deliberately withheld its foreknowledge from our commanders in Hawaii in the hope that the “surprise” attack would catapult the U.S. into World War II.” Oliver Lyttleton, British Minister of Production, stated in 1944: “Japan was provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty of history to say that America was forced into the war.”
“Although FDR desired to directly involve the United States in the Second World War, his intentions sharply contradicted his public pronouncements. A pre-war Gallup poll showed 88 percent of Americans opposed U.S. involvement in the European war. Citizens realized that U.S. participation in World War I had not made a better world, and in a 1940 (election-year) speech, Roosevelt typically stated: “I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.”
But privately, the president planned the opposite.”
Ref. https://historyheist.com/false-flag-attack-on-pearl-harbor-hawaii-was-surprised-but-president-franklin-d-roosevelt-was-not/
“America provoked Japan to such an extent that the Japanese were forced to attack Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty on history ever to say that America was forced into war.”
-Oliver Lyttleton, British Minister of Production, in address to American Chamber of Congress, London, June 20, 1944, quoted in George Morgenstern, Pearl Harbor: The Story of the Secret War (New York: Devin-Adair, 1947), p. 116.
Nonetheless, NO American soldier, sailor or airman should ever be honored any less than 100% for their service and sacrifice in that horrendous war, despite its dark and treacherous beginnings.
The same can be said of every military member who lost their life, or their limbs, or their physical health and/or their sanity in the Viet Nam “police action” (as it was once labeled by the hypocrites) or the Middle East conflicts that have raged since the Gulf War in 1991.
It has become evident that all of these 20th and 21st century wars were willfully entered into by globalist financial powers in this nation and in Europe who saw opportunities to reap great profits by sending young American men & women overseas to fight and die and get valuable foreign natural resources under the control of the globalists…..
OMG! :'( My dad served in the Marines in WWII. He enlisted as a volunteer when he was old enough–and my grandparents agreed to allow it. Their two older sons (my uncles) were already in the war (as they were drafted into the army on the same day) and fought in Europe for 4 1/2 years. My dad fought in the Pacific–including on Iwo Jima. It’s a wonderful miracle from God that they all made it back to my grandparents; countless others were not so lucky. We remember . . . . :'(
You are blessed as are/were your dad & uncles who survived the war. My father also was in & survived the war – European theater – but due to his language skills and railroad knowledge, he was placed in the Army Air Corps’ strategic analysis of Allied bombing effects on enemy manufacturing and munitions supply via the German railroads. His brother was too young to serve in WWII.
My wife’s father and his younger brother (wifes uncle) both saw combat action in France and Germany, and they both survived as well. The younger brother also survived Korea and VietNam as a Lt Col. in the Rangers. We are all blessed because we wouldn’t be here (at least in our present form) if the men who became our fathers had not survived!
The New American site has an excellent article about what was happening behind the scenes before and on Dec. 7, 1941:
Pearl Harbor: Hawaii Was Surprised; FDR Was Not
by James Perloff December 7, 2024 ( December 7, 2024 )
https://thenewamerican.com/us/culture/history/pearl-harbor-hawaii-was-surprised-fdr-was-not/
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This was a generation that, like my dad, grew up during the Depression. My dad was drafted and sent to the Army Air Corp, after Pearl Harbor. It was the first time in his life that he had three square mealsa day.
He kept a diary of his wartime experience, starting with the thrill of seeing the Statue of Liberty and the ocean for the first time. He was amazed at the design of the Panama Canal. He crossed the International Date Line and became a Shellback. His unit chased the Japanese throughout the Pacific.
He wrote about the hardships of war and seeing fighting for the first time. But, he couldn’t write after seeing so many of his buddies die fighting the Japanese. I think he suffered from PSTD for much of his life. War truly is hell. I’m so thankful that President Donald J. Trump is a man of peace. Thank you, Sundance, for honoring the memory of this day.
The Canal Zone had quite a few WW2 ‘batteries’…we used to play in them…
My dad was drafted into the navy in 43 (by then they wouldn’t let you enlist — you had to enter the draft and get the luck of the draw for service assignment) at 18. He had a mechanical background so they trained him to be an aircraft engine mechanic at Navy Pier in Chicago. Then sent him to Fleet Air Wing THREE in NAS Coco Solo, Canal Zone (today we call these Patrol/Recce wings). So he worked on flying boats that were looking (by then) for Jap subs. What he commented was he couldn’t believe they let 18 year old kids work on these engines, that lives depended on. When you think about today’s 18 year olds …
My dad also wrote his memoirs.
he was 20.
He was in the signal corps on Iwo Jima.
The Horrors witnessed in the caves…
Depression era Family hardships also.
Yes, thank you. Please let us never forget. God bless the ‘greatest’ generation.
Today being December 7, a day that will live in infamy in American history, I post this to honor the memory of all who were involved in the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.
I visited the Battleship Arizona Memorial halfway through my Vietnam war tour in the summer of 1973. I was given a 10 day combat time off R&R, and I met my wife in Hawaii. The experience of touring the memorial was almost surreal. I felt a strong bond with all who were there repelling the attack on December 7, 1941, having just left a combat zone myself the day previous flying a World War II vintage EC-47 and now sitting in a tour boat with my wife and others paying our respects to the fallen heroes 32 years later.
One of my mother’s cousins was strafed and killed at Hickam Field while he was running to get into his airplane to help repel the attack. Two of her brothers were PT boat captains. One had three boats shot out from under him during various attacks on enemy ships. He suffered from a back injury for the rest of his life. My father-in-law quit high school and joined the navy and served on a destroyer in the South Pacific until the end of the war.
“voyceofreezin” over at WZ years ago found these old photos of my late father-in-law, 18 year old Hershel Flowers, and some entries in the ship’s logs of the destroyer “Putnam,” DD-757, regarding the heroic effort he and several other sailors made in saving the lives of more than 100 of the survivors of sister destroyer USS Twigs that was sunk during the battle of Okinawa.
He served on the destroyer USS Putnam in the South Pacific during World War II. He is the one in the middle, crouched down…he looks a little bit like Alan Ladd. Years later they had a joint reunion of Putnam and Twiggs sailors in San Diego, and he got to reunite with one of the sailors he had personally saved…pretty emotional reunion.
They actually entered the burning oil slick in a boat and then dived into the water searching for survivors. They would often have to sweep and splash the burning oil away with their arms and even submerge and swim around trying to locate survivors and then surface and grab them and swim with them back to the small boat. When they finally ceased rescue operations, they were all totally covered with diesel oil and had to be scrubbed and I believe they had to be hospitalized and put on meds for a few days.
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We must never forget what happened there that day that will live in infamy and never let it happen to us again…but we will need to rid the country of traitors first.
From April 2024:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/lou-conter-last-living-pearl-harbor-survivor-uss-arizona-dead-102
My dad joined up after hearing about the attack on the radio, he was 19. All my uncles also joined up, in various branches and theaters. They all came back home after the war, though one spent most of the rest of his life in hospitals.
This was a time when Americans did not bow down to tyrants and everybody pitched in to fight. And we kicked arse too.
God Bless all those who have fought to keep us free.
I had the honor of befriending a who was Marine who was captured on Guam. Put on a ship to another Island….Baaton. Survived the death March, and was taken to Japan and forced to plant rice. On day he sa2 the bombers come in and knew it was over
That’s not all. In Korea, he ended up at the Frozen Chosen. In Vietnam with the CIA. I remember him telling me, during the taupe dope’s regime…..”All that, and for what? For this?”
He was an extrogenary man…since passed…
Sounds like a true patriot, and a lucky man to have survived all that.
A close friend of my father, Tom Wilson, died on the Bataan Death March.
My father never bought anything that was made in Japan.
such an important point – ” they all joined up”.
they sure did!
one of the explanations for the moniker “the greatest generation” is because of their nearly 100% participation in the war effort.
15 year old kids were lying about their age to enlist.
if you’ve ever seen the famous photo of the landing craft headed to the beach at Normandy,
really look at their faces.
that one fellow in the middle looks to be about 12.
even given youthful adventurism, their call to duty was extraordinary.
we must not let them be forgotten.
Indeed. We’d all be slaves and speaking German or Japanese if Fjb or 0bama had been commander in chief back then. Men were real men who got the job done no matter the price.
My Father-in-Law was in the Philippines and when he passed away I got his Colt 1911 .45 caliber service pistol with two mags. I will pass that special WWII gun on to my son and grandson and what it means to our freedom! RIP Al!
Thank you Sundance —I was going to share my collage from 2019 visit but seems post image is screwed up..
If I remember correctly i was privileged to see around 10 survivors and many many military vets and other military currently serving. Was really glad I packed a box of kleenex in my backpack for I nearly ran out before it was over.
One survivor still stands out in my mind. A 97 year old sailor who pretty much danced the 5 mile parade.
Sad that there are so few left to tell their story, stories and history which it seems the Globalist want to erase.
A legacy of valor: 16 Pearl Harbor survivors remain. On the 83rd anniversary, they are still heroes https://www.ksl.com/article/51206331/a-legacy-of-valor-16-pearl-harbor-survivors-remain-on-the-83rd-anniversary-they-are-still-heroes?utm_source=twitter_share&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=news&utm_content=us
I have a really funny feeling about President Trump being over in Europe on this particular day.
I couldn’t even tell you what the feeling is.
Watching the ceremony in France today and seeing President Trump representing the USA gave me a feeling of the ship righting its course and that we might just have saved the Republic. 💥🇺🇸💥🇺🇸💥🇺🇸💥
Remember Pearl Harbor! My father served in WWII as an air traffic controller. He had a very vital role on D-Day. He always talked about how he was one of the few who knew about D-Day ahead of time. First he was stationed in England then after D-Day moved over to France.
I now understand what a huge honor I was accorded when, as a kid, I worked for a man who was aboard the USS Arizona when it was attacked. He would tell us his story every year when we stopped for lunch while hauling hay. We would hear how he was blown off the deck by an explosion while running to his battle station in only his skivvies, t-shirt, and shoes, only to discover after swimming to Ford Island that his shoes were gone! Then there was my great uncle who would tell us, kids, his story, during which we would laugh hysterically because it included the part that he had just finished his morning “constitutional” and was leaving the latrine when the bombs began hitting the barracks. His humorous disclosure of his decision to immediately return to the latrine to “finish” the job always brought laughs!
I wish I had known enough then to fully appreciate what they had experienced.
Yes we must remember for more than one reason, not just the 2,403, for history is the engine of the future. This interview, beginning most specifically at minute 19:00 explains a serious issue to be dealt with. See the interview here, and the consequences are monumental to both our society and the Global community. The link: g edward griffin interviews norman dodd.
Be blessed, stay strong.
Thank you for pointing out this day.
Fewer, especially among the younger generations, still remember it.
And the sacrifice made by so many on that day.
They truly were the greatest generation. My father , like so many others from that era, grew up during the great depression.Enlisted in the army at 19. Wish I had understood and appreciated more about my father. Miss him more every day for the last 28
Pray and help others
try not to fault yourself too much for not understanding.
they were not, as a rule, talkative about their service.
my guess is they sought to shield us from what they had seen and gone through.
i miss ’em, too.
Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. John 15:13
This Memorial is beautiful and solemn. You can still see the oil seeping out from the Arizona. You can definitely feel the souls all around you when visiting the Memorial. I was there last May and went with my Army son and daughter-in-law.
Within 30 days of the assault on us navy nearly 140,000 men inlisted.
Went there several times and it’s always a moving experience.
Also went to Punch Bowl Cemetery where many were buried along with young men serving in the Pacific Theater that did not have their bodies sent home.
Always try to be grateful for the many sacrifices. Countless sacrifices and suffering by so many.
So glad we got a chance to save our country. Let’s get it back for good this time.
Remember Pearl Harbor
83 years ago….the “greatest generation” took a massive blow on the chin. 83 years ago and the world, including some Americans say let it go, get over it…it is a different world today. True, it is a different world and the clash of diametrically opposed views of how and who defined “civilized” behavior still exists. Human life, other than their own, had very little real value to the Japanese/ Even other Asian nations were looked down upon with disdain and were treated in a brutally inhuman manner that western nations cannot begin to fathom. Remember the “Bataan Death March”, or the “Rape of Nanking”? ? Of course not, hell it was 83 years ago and modern history and those that record it tend to gloss over the gory details. The debate over the use of the Atomic Bomb is ludicrous…was it justified? Hell YES. Did innocent civilians die? No doubt.
After serving in the island hopping takeback of the Pacific, my father was staging in the Pacific to be part of the invasion force that was tasked with invading the mainland of Japan. Hundreds of thousands of Japanese died in those two explosions, that resulted in the unconditional surrender of Japan, but untold numbers of Japanese and American lives were saved…including, more than likely, my Marine fathers’ and therefore being a “boomer” my own. I hold a grudge, my father held a grudge and I have no regrets about the use of the “Bomb”. Remember Pearl Harbor
both sides of my family lived in maywood, illinois at the time,
maywood being second only to the state of new mexico in casualties in the Bataan Death March.
my grandmothers would occasionally tell stories of when another gold star went in a window
and how the neighbors would respond,
all the while praying that they would never receive one.
cannot imagine the fortitude of these families living under that kind of constant stress.
they were made of sterner stuff, indeed.
hard times, hard decisions.
they did what they had to do.🙏🏻
My grandfather who was in World War 1, enlisted again!
My father at 17 was granted permission and he went to war as did his older half-brother.
All U.S. Navy
amazing timeline of that generation.
fought in WW1, then the Great Depression, then sent their sons to WW2.
my grandfathers also fought in WW1, and the paternal side sent their boys to WW2.
(the maternal side had only girls.)
my dad was Navy, too, aircraft carrier in the Atlantic.
my uncle was Army Engineer Corps, European front – Britain before the “official” start of the war, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge.
i don’t know if people are even able to imagine what it was like for them.
they didn’t talk much about it.
the only time i saw my Dad get emotional about his service was in one of the count-on-one-hand times he talked about it and relayed being on deck when a pilot didn’t make take off, crash landed in the ocean, and perished.
i have a feeling he was a very young kid, maybe just out of training, but i don’t really know.
absolutely remarkable people, none better IMO.
Two Battleships sunk? The USS Oklahoma was struck by multiple Japanese torpedoes and capsized. There is a National Park Service Memorial at Pearl. Seems like a play on words. 429 members lost their lives. Kind of personal as I had five first cousins assigned to the Oklahoma. Four were there on that fateful day. One was among the dead. 2nd Class Laverne A. Nigg age 23. After this the geniuses separated the cousins. One cousin experienced this twice more in fighting the Japanese. Cat with seven or at least three lives. The family never gave up as many other families also kept up the pressure to identify the buried remains. Laverne was finally identified in April 2021 and returned to Browns Valley Minnesota to be buried.
The history of US wars need more attention. We continue to fund the war machines. It isn’t about protecting us, rather it makes more of the World hate us. Hopefully, Trump will be at least a four year setback to their perpetual war machine.
2nd Class Laverne A. Nigg probably knew Chaplain Aloysius H. Schmitt on the USS Oklahoma.
The City of Dubuque, Iowa named an island in the Mississippi River after Chaplain Schmitt and a branch of the Nigg family lives in that area.
Sorry to nitpick, but he wrote “…the attack, which permanently sank two U.S. Navy battleships (the USS Arizona and the USS Utah)…” (which is not technically correct, see below).
As you correctly pointed out, Oklahoma (BB-37) was also sunk (as were California BB-44 and West Virginia BB-48), but Oklahoma was later raised in 1943. So technically, Oklahoma was not “permanently sunk” at Pearl Harbor. However she was not repaired and did sink again in 1947 while being towed back to the west coast. Note that California and West Virginia were both raised as well, then repaired and updated to return to the fight later in the war.
Also, while originally a battleship (BB-31), the Utah had been demilitarize in 1931 (guns and armor removed) due to the interwar naval treaties. So when she was sunk, she was an auxiliary “target ship” (AG-16), not a battleship. But she still looked like a BB from the air, so she was targeted in the attack. She was so heavily damaged, that like Arizona (BB-39), she was left in place were she sank. So both Arizona and Utah were “permanently sunk” at Pearl Harbor, but only one of them was a BB at the time of the attack.
Bottom line: Of the 8 BBs in Pearl Harbor at the time of the attack, 4 were sunk (Arizona, Oklahoma, California, and West Virginia) and 4 damaged (Maryland, Tennessee, Nevada and Pennsylvania), plus the ex-BB (Utah) was sunk. Of those, Arizona and Utah are still on the bottom of Pearl Harbor and Oklahoma was never able to return to the fight.
Father Aloysius Herman Schmitt was a U.S. Navy Chaplain on the USS Oklahoma on December 7, 1941.
This 32 year old native of Saint Lucas, Iowa and grandson of German Catholic farmer settlers, saved several sailors and sacrificed his own life.
A Navy ship is named in his honor.
Several videos about him and in honor of his service are available on the Internet.
This one is 14 minutes long.
My Dad was 18, working in a sugar factory throwing around 50 lb. Bags, and my mother was just starting high school. Each remembered exactly where they were that Sunday, because life just stopped. Dad joined the Army Air Corps , became a pilot and flew B-17’s and B-29’s and Mom volunteered with the USO. Very proud of their generation.
I worked with a Pearl Harbor survivor in the 70’s/80’s. He was 17 at the time.
My neighbor also was at Pearl, but he was Merchant Marine. He was 1st Mate on a tanker loaded with oil that day, on the other side of Oahu. He said you could plainly hear the explosions and even the roar of aircraft, but they never saw any planes; weren’t even sure who was doing the shooting at that point.
My dad had served a hitch in the National Guard in 39/40; he signed up for the Navy after Pearl. Spent the war in Australia working with the Japanese codes. Friends’ dads were telling their kids some of what they did, but my Pa still couldn’t tell us anything.
My father enlisted in the Navy along with two of his brothers after the attack. He saw service as a radioman on the Destroyer Wadsworth in the Pacific, partaking in most of the big battles, including Bougainville, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa.
During a break from the war effort, his ship met up with another ship that one of his brothers was on.
His ship was hit on two occasions by Japanese planes, once during the battle of Okinawa when suicide planes were attacking. The ship earned seven battle stars for her World War II service, and a Presidential Unit Citation “for outstanding heroism in action as a fighter direction ship on radar picket station during the Okinawa Campaign, from 17 April to 24 June 1945. Constantly vigilant and ready for battle, she sent out early air warnings, provided fighter direction and, with her own gunfire, downed six enemy planes, shared in the destruction of seven others, routed many more, rendered valiant service in preventing the Japanese from striking in force against our Naval Forces off the Okinawa Beachhead”.
Some years ago, I had the opportunity to visit the USS Arizona Memorial, boarding the last launch for the day, just in time. In the quiet evening, with most of the visitors looking out over the rail, one child asked his brother about the iridescent oil leaks, still rising to the surface. “Momma says the ship is crying,” he answered.
Sumthin’ in my eye…
Doris “Dorie” Miller. Mess Attendent 3rd Class. Heavyweight boxing champ. Browning MG52A (water cooled) .50 gunner, 7 December, 1941.
https://news.va.gov/64767/doris-dorie-miller-hero-pearl-harbor/
God Bless the Great men & women of the WWII era and how they responded, we need that type of courage right now. The Wuhan Con (C-19) was as much a sneak attack as that terrible day Dec. 7th 1941 and killed many more people. We have to find the courage that parents showed.
God Bless America!
Here is an article that indicates FDR and a small group knew the Japs were going to attack somewhere. I tend to think this is a legitimate statement if the facts because it has new Ver been explained how all of the carriers were out to sea when the attack came, but this “story” puts forth a plausible answer.
The subject bears further study:
One of the biggest fake news stories of the last 100 years is the story — taught to American school children from early on and repeated ad nauseum without inquiry by the mainstream media — that Pearl Harbor was a “sneak attack” that caught America totally unaware because the Japanese were engaging in duplicitous peace negotiations, forcing the U.S. into World War II.
President Franklin D. Roosevelt was itching to get into the Second Great War, but the American public — with the horror of the “War to end all wars” still fresh — was strongly against American intervention. So Roosevelt set about goading both the Japanese and Germans — neither of which wanted to tangle with America.
The plan to entice a Japanese attack began in October 1940. Knowledge of the plan was limited to a few select loyal military and naval intelligence officials and a handful of trusted members of the Roosevelt administration. It is outlined in the McCollum memo — aka the Eight Action Memo — written by Lt. Commander Arthur H. McCollum, who provided Roosevelt with intelligence reports on Japan and oversaw every intercepted and decoded Japanese military and diplomatic report destined for the White House.
McCollum’s plan kicked into action on October 8, 1940, one day after the memo went to Roosevelt, and continued even while Roosevelt was telling the American public, “Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.”
The eight action items for provoking Japan were these:
Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore.
Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies [now Indonesia].
Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang Kai-shek.
Send a division of long-range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore.
Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.
Keep the main strength of the U.S. Fleet, now in the Pacific, in the vicinity of the Hawaiian islands.
Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil.
Complete embargo all trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire.”
The last step in the plan was completed on July 26, 1941. In truth, the U.S. essentially declared war on Japan with its embargo. Any embargo enforced at the point of a gun is an act of war. America was also helping Japan’s enemy, China, with war material through the Lend-Lease program.
Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral James O. Richardson opposed FDR’s orders to station the fleet at Pearl, so FDR replaced him with Admiral Husband E. Kimmel in February 1941. FDR also placed, without Kimmel’s knowledge, Admiral Walter S. Anderson of the Office of Naval Intelligence as Kimmel’s third in command at Pearl Harbor and assigned him to supervise the radio intercept operation there.
Anderson, upon his arrival at Pearl Harbor, established his personal housing well away from the harbor on the other side of the mountain, giving him safety from the looming attack.
American intelligence learned in January 1941 that if hostilities broke out, the Japanese had decided to initiate a surprise attack at Pearl. It also learned that spies were making bombing maps of Pearl Harbor, but kept this information from Kimmel and the FBI.
American intelligence tracked the Japanese fleet through radio intercepts as it headed toward Pearl Harbor. On November 22, Admiral Royal E. Ingersoll issued a “Vacant Sea” order to clear all shipping out of the path being taken by the Japanese navy and, on November 25, ordered Kimmel to withdraw his ships patrolling the area from which the Japanese attack would take place. In the days before the attack, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Harold Stark (who was part of FDR’s circle and in on the plot) ordered Kimmel to move his aircraft carriers along with a large escort of the most modern ships to deliver planes to Midway and Wake Islands, leaving behind an enticing target of ships — though only the older WWI vintage ones — in Pearl.
In his magnum opus titled “Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover’s Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath,” finally published in 2011, Hoover tells of the many diplomatic overtures the Japanese made to fend off hostilities. These FDR rejected outright.
Hoover then quotes from “Wedemeyer Reports!,” a book by General Albert C. Wedemeyer, a major in the War Plans Division of the Army stationed in Washington at the time of the attack:
When, on December 6, our intercepts told us that the Japanese were going to strike somewhere the very next day, whether in the Central Pacific or to the south in the Philippines and Dutch East Indies the President of the United States… could have gone on the radio and broadcast to the wide world that he had irrefutable evidence of an immediate Japanese intention to strike. This would have alerted everybody from Singapore to Pearl Harbor. Even though inadequate in some cases to defend effectively, nevertheless our forces would have been able to take a toll which would have blunted the Japanese attack. In Hawaii, the capital ships might have been moved out of the congested harbor to sea, where Admiral Kimmel had at least had the foresight to keep the far more vital aircraft carriers. Furthermore, our carrier task force in the mid-Pacific might have attacked the Japanese task force when its planes were aloft. There are many possibilities which would have given our men at least a fighting chance.
Wedemeyer also writes that “On December 4, 1941, we received definite information from two independent sources that Japan would attack the United States and Britain but would maintain peace with Russia.”
So FDR sacrificed much of the Pacific Fleet and worse still, 2,403 Americans killed and 1,178 wounded to get the U.S. into the war.
Then, after American victories at Midway and Coral Sea, the Japanese fleet was so crippled that offensive operations were no longer possible and there was no longer any chance of a Japanese invasion of the U.S. mainland, yet the administration still went through with its unlawful internment of West Coast Japanese Americans.
Other fake news as told by the American government and parroted by the MSM to drag (or attempt to drag) the U.S. into war include — but are not limited to — Fort Sumter, “Remember the Maine,” Gulf of Tonkin, Jessica Lynch, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Pat Tillman and chemical weapons attacks by Syria.
The real fake news sites — the mainstream media — will not tell you truths such as this.
I’ve often wondered if “The Greatest Generation,” would have been so ready to sacrifice themselves for Roosevelt’s bankster war if they had known the truth about Pearl Harbor and that Roosevelt and the communists in his State Department were bargaining away half of Europe to Josef Stalin and communist totalitarianism while they were fighting and dying in the South Pacific, North Africa and Europe.
Yours for the truth,
Bob Livingston
Editor, The Bob Livingston Letter®
Ike Schab, a 104 year old survivor of Pearl, spent six weeks in physical therapy just to gain enough strength to stand up and salute during the ceremony this year. There are only 16 survivors still living.
https://www.carolinacoastonline.com/national/article_e99c9b6e-b4e2-11ef-bd4d-d36e9c9f9452.html
God bless Patriot Ike Schab. Back then, the love for country was deep in the DNA.
We are swiftly approaching the Great Forgetting, after which it’s up to the Baby Boomers and early Gen X to pass on the legends and important lessons.
I am growing old, but have constant contact with the young. Don’t count out the Gen Z surprise. There are a lot of good ones in there.
Remember the last survivor of the Civil War:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Woolson
Following his death, President Dwight D. Eisenhower said:
And what would they have done to President Donald J. Trump, had he said these words
104 year old survivor of Pearl spends six weeks in physical therapy just to gain enough strength to stand up and salute during this years ceremony. There are only 16 living survivors. https://www.carolinacoastonline.com/national/article_e99c9b6e-b4e2-11ef-bd4d-d36e9c9f9452.html
My husband’s uncle, whom he never knew, perished on the USS Arizona. He was just 18. We have some of his handwritten letters, none of which hint of any rumors of the attack. May he and all those who died on that day of infamy RIP. Our oldest son, a Navy veteran, was able to visit the Memorial in Hawaii.
The last unknown was I.D’d and was buried yesterday from the Oklahoma. Great job tech guys.!!!
I saw no mention of it in The NY Times today. It has slipped their mind…..
The USS Utah (AG-16) wasn’t really a battleship anymore in Dec. 1941. It had been changed in 1931 to a AA training and target ship.
However, the USS Oklahoma (BB-37) capsized in the 7DEC41 attack, and never really recovered from the experience, so it could be marked as “sank.” It was eventually sold for scrap in 1946, and sank on the voyage to the San Francisco breakers yard in 1947.
As we remember this day, let us also remember and never forget….
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Had US President Millard Fillmore not believed in “Manifest Destiny”….
…..and had not ordered Adm. Matthew Perry to sail his steel-hulled warships into Tokyo Bay on July 8, 1853 in order to threaten the Tokugawa Shogunate using “gunboat diplomacy” to force open the door to an isolated Japan in demanding a trade agreement with Japan (just imagine the “chutzpah” to threaten a nation of proud samurai warriors)….
…..and then, 80 years later, telling Japan it had no business copying western civilization’s longstanding scheme of “colonialism” in it’s effort to emulate the US and western European nations so that it’s front door could never be kicked in again…
…well..
…there is every reason to believe that Pearl Harbor would never have happened.
This is why the bible tells us that the sins of the father are visited upon the next generations.