It is not my intention to provide black pills. However, we discuss events through the prism of what exists, what we can see and track, rather than what we pretend might be in place. Thus, today CTH fires a signal flare drawing attention away from precinct voting polling places, and toward tabulation centers.
There is some alarming evidence beginning to surface pointing toward a shift in the USA election process, specifically the fundamentally changed process that now exists behind absentee balloting.
The events in California for the 2018 midterm election appeared to be the original BETA test of mass mail-in ballot collection. Every person in the state mailed a ballot for completion in the 2018 election cycle. The outcome was evident for two weeks after election day when ballots continuing to arrive changed the vote outcome.
The 2020 general election then saw, thanks to COVID-19, a nationwide rollout of the BETA test: balloting 2.0. Millions of households receiving ballots from state election officials, so the socially distant electorate did not need to assemble and vote on election day. The process created a widespread opportunity for fraud.
In the 2022 midterm election, this absentee balloting system was still in place; affirmed into a new structural process within each state. An awakening electorate pondered the absence of the predicted “red wave” and recognized there was a distinct difference between voters and ballots. In general, the republicans were still focused on voters, but the democrats were focused on ballot submission processes. 2022 was essentially the third iteration from the originating California BETA test: balloting 3.0.
After 2022, playing catchup, nationwide attention shifted away from votes and election day, and people started talking about the importance of ballot distribution, collection and submission. This has been the messaging system going into election day 2024. However, there are strong, evidence-based reasons to believe ‘Balloting 4.0’ is something else entirely. Election integrity officials could very well be focusing their efforts on polling and balloting processes that have moved far beyond where they were even just two short years ago.
In 2024’s Balloting 4.0, the “Tabulation Centers” are now far more important than Polling Precincts, yet we still see the majority of election integrity and validation effort, mostly by republicans, focusing on polling precincts. Let me explain what Balloting 4.0 actually looks like.
Those who created fraud within absentee ballots as a tool to change election outcomes, have dropped the pretense of “registered voters.” Registered, authorized and eligible voters are no longer an aspect of ballot fraud in this 2024 iteration. As an outcome, voter rolls no longer appear to be part of the equation, and the correct or incorrect status of voter rolls is a moot point.
There are very strong indications that Balloting 4.0, the fourth iteration of a fraudulent process to control election outcomes, has now moved well beyond the concern with registered voters and voting rolls. Balloting 4.0 is now about ballot submission REGARDLESS of registered status.
In order to receive a mail-in or absentee ballot from a state election office, in most cases the person making the request would need to be a registered voter. Some form of eligibility filter would be required (varies by state) to gain a ballot. Additionally, in many states’ ballots are sent out in mass mail format based on election rolls. This has been identified as an issue, because again the voter rolls are not up to date or accurate; ergo, multiple ballots sent out to invalid names and/or addresses. This problem still exists, but Balloting 4.0 has moved one step farther.
What happens when it is not the state or county sending the ballot or approving the request. If the state or county is doing it, voter rolls are still part of the equation. However, what happens if ballots are printed locally, distributed and completed with names addresses and customary identification material, and then returned to the county recorders’ office regardless of and irrespective of voter registration.
Balloting 4.0 appears to be a system where ballots can be generated outside govt, by any party in the private sector. What we would call, “localized ballot printing.”
In this instance, the distribution of the ballots can be made to people regardless of their registered voter status. In Balloting 4.0 the completion of the ballots has nothing to do with voter rolls or pre-filtered voter authenticity. Balloting 4.0 is simply the mass printing of paper ballots that can be scanned at tabulation centers just like any other ballot.
In the Balloting 4.0 process, the eligibility status of the person completing the ballot becomes irrelevant. A name is printed or written, address, identification particulars recorded on the ballot, and then the private-sector-printed ballot is then submitted en mass into a population of other ballots that come from state and county government systems.
Locally printed ballots can be mailed, put in drop boxes, dropped off at election offices, or dropped off by entities who “assist” in ballot submission, just like every other ballot.
If thousands of locally printed, perhaps fraudulent ballots, arrive at a recorders’ office what is to stop them from being bulk mixed into the population of ballots from registered voters. Yes, there are some formal filtration processes that are expected to be utilized to ensure all ballots received are from registered voters. However, if the receiving official or tabulation worker is motivated by ideology to participate (or willfully ignore) the potential issue, then all the fraudulent ballots just disburse into a population of authentic ballots.
While some very diligent election supervisors, workers and election officials take precautions to stop such localized (ie fraudulent and non-registered) ballot submissions, unfortunately those officials and workers do not work in/around urban voting centers like Atlanta, Austin, Philadelphia, Pittsburg, Milwaukee, Detroit etc. You can see the issue.
Pushing the issue and question up the chain as an outcome of boots on the ground research, I have yet to hear a response from any election official or career election integrity professional who has an answer for this problem. This concerns me because we are clearly seeing the tell-tale signs of localized ballot printing starting to surface.
We are seeing reports of multiple state, county and municipal tabulation centers who are having trouble scanning a significant percentage the population of the ballots they are receiving. Significant enough to change an election outcome. I would strongly urge readers to pay close attention to reports of some ballots “not scanning” correctly or having formatting issues when compared to the overall population of ballots.
BREAKING: In Nevada County, California, a large-scale issue with ballot printers has made it impossible for tabulators to count 77,000 ballots accurately
AGAIN. Why do we keep using these voting machines that malfunction at the slightest little “imperfection”?
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— George (@BehizyTweets) October 29, 2024
This is NOT an issue that encompasses double scanning of ballots. This is an issue of the authenticity of the ballots themselves. The authenticity of the ballot stems from the authorized authenticity of the voter, and voter identification is protected by a myriad of laws, rules and regulations making that part of the system check almost impossible after the ballot is scanned, accepted and/or adjudicated.
I suspect “Balloting iteration 4.0,” the system in place for 2024, is no longer a ballot issue connected to registered voters and voter rolls. I suspect ballot fraud in 2024 is now directly and simply the raw generation of physical ballots that have no connection whatsoever to registration processes.
Remember, because the way we value voting rights as a fundamental right for Americans, in every case of ballot review the election system comes from a predisposition that every arriving ballot is valid and authentic. Issues of doubt are weighted heavily in favor of the submission. It is rare to have a voting ballot disqualified by a system designed to protect voting ballots. Those who intentionally support fraud, count on this predisposition of validity [See Marc Elias].
If this perspective is accurate, and there’s no reason to think it is not, then election integrity focus on polling places is wasted energy. The real venues that should be getting the majority of attention are ballot tabulation centers. That is where incoming ballots need to be authenticated before they enter any scanning system to record the vote.
Once the ballot is scanned and tabulated, it’s over. There will never be a process to reverse or remove a legally recorded vote, even if that ballot is fraudulent.



“If this perspective is accurate, and there’s no reason to think it is not, then election integrity focus on polling places is wasted energy. The real venues that should be getting the majority of attention are ballot tabulation centers. That is where incoming ballots need to be authenticated before they enter any scanning system to record the vote…Once the ballot is scanned and tabulated, it’s over. There will never be a process to reverse or remove a legally recorded vote, even if that ballot is fraudulent.” – Sundance
Sundance has given me the vapors!!! Has Lawfare and the Democrats/deep state/IC outsmarted us by manipulating the ballot tabulation centers to get the ballots Camel La needs while we look elsewhere? I’ve contributed to President Trump, voted for him and still pray for his protection and election victory. It has to be too big to rig!
It’s now and always has been in God’s hand! Matthew 14:31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”
In 2020 in Fulton County, Georgia, the focus was on the tabulation center. In 2022 Maricopa County, the focus was on the polling station where all the scanning machines failed to work.
But we also need voter roll integrity. Without that, we are lost.
I’ve all of SD’s election posts over these months.
I’ve read thru all preceding pages of comments. My hero Donald J Trump continues to campaign.
Counterfeit Ballots has a good ring to it. The word counterfit still carries a strong stigma.
Fake ballots.
Real Commies.
Maybe a somewhat silver lining. They don’t start at 81M baseline. There baseline does have to start at legitimate votes. If we say 2020 was reversed 75 true Biden/81 True Trump, and maybe Harris baseline this time is maybe 70M…..65M would be wonderful. Other than vote switching at tabulator, they aren’t starting at 81M. They have to make up the already stagger, then push ahead. If we think Trump maybe 85-90M true votes. Harris may be in the hole 15-20M when it comes time to ballot stuff.
I found this post over at the blog “House of Eratosthenes” a while back. January 1st, 2024 to be exact. In it the author cites numbers extracted from sources, which he links, leading back to Wikipedia. Yeah, those guys are a liberal biased source, but numbers are numbers. They can be checked and reader corrected better than someones opinion, so I’m thinking the numbers are reasonably accurate. His post summarizes a rational explanation, using numbers going as far back as 2012, (shouldn’t be any Trump bias there) of how the election result numbers for 2020 simply do not add up:
http://www.peekinthewell.net/blog/im-going-into-2024-thinking-2020-was-rigged/
For a federal election, if a state’s ballot count is greater than the number of registered voters, that’s states results are suspect.
I agree!!!! I posted that also and wonder why it hasn’t been done retroactively for 2020? There has to be something we’re missing, it seems too simple to work?? If 150 million ballots are counted and there are only 125 million registered voters in all the states combined something is wrong not just suspect!! JMO
Triple Bingo! Been sayin’ that for 3 years. More Ballots than registered voters! Yet the Supreme Court says “No Standing”! All changes to the vote system must be through Congress (Legislature). Pa. vote/ballot count was extended by the Pa. Supreme Court ’til Friday in 2020.
Absolutely something is wrong. But what can we do about it? Once those extra 25 million votes are tabulated, you cannot take them out because there is no way to know which 25,000,000 are the fake ones.
We need to stop the fraud before it happens. I guess those big tabulation centers need to be targeted before they scan any ballots.
Is that even possible?
“But what can we do about it?” Rerun the election, verify everyone revoting is registered! That will never happen but should.
“For a federal election, if a state’s ballot count is greater than the number of registered voters, that’s states results are suspect. ”
They are not suspect to everyone.
If some of the people to whom they are NOT suspect are in places of authority with regard to vote-counting and vote-reporting, it doesn’t really matter what the numbers are. It’s important that we examine the basis for any comfort we might find in our reasoning(s).
True. That’s how it should work.
So then you sue and a liberal judge decides that you don’t have standing and the case gets thrown out. That’s what happened to all of the 2020 lawsuits: they never got to the point where they could get to discovery or present the facts.
Maddening!!!
“a liberal judge decides that you don’t have standing”
…exactly. Which is why I said “.\…some of the people to whom they are NOT suspect are in places of authority …”
Michigan has same day registration and voting. So it’s always hard to get an accurate number of registered voters.
THAT is EXACTLY why the DemoCraps have been on a tear to register every breathing human being regardless of citizenship status PLUS to indefinitely procrastinate the cleaning of voter rolls.
They want the LARGEST POSSIBLE voter rolls (I.E., # of “registered” voters) in order to facilitate this fraud strategy (Balloting 4.0). The truly fake ballots are from people who may be on the rolls but are not legal for any one or combination of reasons. They also will use fabricated ID’s of people not on any voter rolls
Remember they only have to keep the statistically defensible vote totals close to the Republican candidate.
The margin of victory will come from the locally printed ballots that are using the ID of those fictitious or ineligible peoples names
Void.
Another angle now in 2024:
The Blob’s DC cabal is swearing to pack the Supreme Court if they get back into power.
Did it ever occur to them that the existing Supremes might not like the idea of having their own power diluted in such a way?
Just enough for them to change enough of their minds on “standing” this time around?
Since mail-in ballots are all generic and *not* tied to a specific voter, it is easy to wait until after Election Day polls are closed, and then to ‘lose’ the desired number of legitimate mail-in ballots, by substituting as many fraudulent generic ballots, as needed, to overturn the win. The only way to stop this fraud is to either eliminate mail-in ballots entirely, or else count them all *prior* to Election Day. Not after.
Sad to say that Sundance is correct but once again, why is this coming out at the last possible minute when the fake ballot operation has been in the works for at least the last two years?? And why haven’t the RNC, GOP and Team Trump been all over this??
Jay Valentine and his team have documented literally millions of bad / fraudulent addresses and have the receipts to prove it:
https://www.stopbogusballots.com/
Also, here’s another high tech scam that’s been in use for several years and documented in NY:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/10/does_georgia_s_algorithm_assisted_massive_documented_election_fraud_rise_to_the_level_of_a_treasonous_coup_d_etat.html
Why hasn’t Elon thrown a few millions at all the people and groups who are trying to stop the steal?
The RNC brought in Harmeet Dhillon as their new hot shot lawyer for election integrity and all I ever see of her on Twitter/X is her latest knitting project. WTF is WRONG with these people??
If we lose this election, the most important in history, there will be no one to blame but the feckless GOP and RNC and the traitors on Team Trump who were either too stupid to read what was going on or were in on the steal.
Dhillon was there for Kari lake, until she wasn’t. She cut-bait and ran away leaving a vapor-trail behind. There were many people on this site 2 years ago on election night telling everyone to RELAX, Lake has this. No way she could lose now. Lead is too big. Last time I checked, some other broad is governor of AZ.
Are people expecting a different result this time? Why exactly? Same people, same underlying motives. Why different? Out-vote the fraud? Really, that’s it?
Ditto your first question, which I’ve been wondering myself. WHY is this just NOW coming out???!! WHY has this not been looked at at LEAST a year ago when we had more time???!!
It’s coming out “just now” because those who could have brought it out earlier didn’t choose to bring it out. To find out why they didn’t choose to bring it out would require either a Revelation from God or a decision on their part to tell the truth.
I’m beginning to understand (for myself) that almost all normal Americans have had a mass case of Stockholm syndrome for decades.
News flash: the GOP Inc is on the same side as Democrats in trying to defeat PDJT….they’ve been gaslighting GOP voters since the TeaParty movement nearly a decade ago. They’re also fine with losing one or both Houses of Congress in the process.
Also the whole voter rolls can be inflated and deflated in moments without anyone noticing is bs.
Seeing waaaaaay more mail in ballots coming in weeks before early voting kicks off in FL.
The high volume returns line up exactly with the time the printers are sending out their ballots across the states.
The People’s Audit @ https://the-peoples-audit.org/ will be watching mail in ballots in FL closely in this election.
Short of Trump winning a landslide, I think it is fair to say things will be chaotic this time next week. Significant enough to cause courts to demand a do-over for the election in some states? The news reports I see scream litigation that could take years to proceed through courts. We could get to January with no declared winner. What happens then?
April 2025.
EOTW Prophesy?!?
Then I’m going to eat as much ice cream as I can between now and then.
Or in the alternative, the leftist Courts surrender to their master’s and give the election to Harris.
It is our infiltrated state governments that are actually rigging the elections.
If the feds or China were rigging our election, AND IF the states and locals were REALLY ON OUR SIDE, they would be trying to add more transparency and security.
That was all a diversion so the states could consolidate power.
If they steal the election again from us…it will be your governor you need to blame…not Washington DC.
“Source of Data Manipulation is Coming from Secretary of State” — TOP MICHIGAN ELECTION EXPERTS Discuss
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/source-data-manipulation-is-coming-secretary-state-top/
“Charlie’s Angels”?…. or “Charlie’s” angels?
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The Democrats don’t give a rat’s ass if nobody trusts Dominion voting machines or anything else about the election just as long as they win!!!! And the IC run mockingbird media will dutifully declare the election was safe and fair and can’t understand why no one doesn’t trust the results!!! JMO
She’s setting us up for a big steal again and given herself plausible deniability .
All three should be put against a wall and shot.
The MI coven.
Another possible silver lining. They do want to stay under radar as much as possible. If there is nationwide tabulator “can’t read” issues everywhere due to multi printed ballots, I would think that would be helpful to the cause of not just localized. Of course I don’t know the remedy. And of course also, this might be the wailing and gnashing of teeth should Trump win.
Voter confidence rattled after voting machines malfunction across Illinois
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/voter-confidence-rattled-after-voting-machines-malfunction-across
Very safe. Very secure.
“Mclean County Elections Director Mark Senger said any ballots placed in the “emergency” bin will be tabulated after the early voting sites close. Senger said the ballots were tabulated after they closed on Tuesday, Oct. 22.
“The thing that concerned me was one: Is that really secure? Two: we are voting early for a reason and that’s to bank those votes,” said Henrichs.
Such ballots are to be tabulated and witnessed by Democratic and Republican election judges, according to state law.
In viral social media posts, voters say they walked out of a Schaumburg early voting site after the ballot scanner stopped working. One Schaumburg voter posted a video saying he didn’t cast his ballot after election judges told him to put his ballot in a box to be scanned later.
“Well, so much for early voting. Their scanner’s broken, and they said, ’don’t worry, we’ll just put it in the box, and we’ll make sure we scan them all tonight,’ uh, when everybody leaves,” the voter said said”
–Kris Jurski
The “formal filtration processes” are completely inadequate if ballots can’t be reversed once they’ve been counted.
Filtering of mail-in ballots takes place before they’re submitted for tallying.
The real problem is the conflict between ballot security and voting secrecy.
In California, the voter simply signs the envelope in which the ballot is mailed. Nothing on the ballot itself identifies the voter.
Would you be willing to put your thumb print on your ballot? It may come to that.
China already has that AND our DNA when it comes down to it.
What happens to all those blood tubes when you have your yearly labs and then your medical records systems are hacked?
In PA, where there are this many errors on their voter rolls ..:
https://www.stopbogusballots.com/state-score-card
As of the 10/15/24 scan:
Pennsylvania
-Missing or wrong apt number: 323,524
-Invalid address: 346,505
-Dead people who are actively register to vote: 4,155
-Used Post Office Physical Address: 240
-Registration occurred on a fed holiday: 315,517
-Moved, left no forwarding address: 27,672
-Permanently moved out of state: 262,488
-Permanently moved to a new county: 169,083 (within Pennsylvania)
Total: 1,420,435
… a court recently ruled that there is no requirement to date or SIGN a mailed ballot, thus no SIGNATURE VERIFICATION is possible or REQUIRED:
Misdated Mail-In Ballots Should Still Count, Pennsylvania Court Rules
The state court found that throwing out otherwise eligible ballots because they were undated or had the wrong date on the outer envelope would violate the State Constitution.
Aug. 30, 2024
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/30/us/pennsylvania-mail-in-ballots.html
The Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania, siding with voter advocacy groups, found that tossing ballots because they did not comport with a 2019 law requiring voters to date and ***sign*** the outer envelope would violate a State Constitution clause guaranteeing “free and equal elections” and pose a “substantial threat of disenfranchisement.”
The Fractal scanning folks have been screaming warnings about this sort of thing for quite some time… but virtually no one listened.
Too late now, kids. What will be will be.
Winston- RIGHT THE HELL ON! I have been following Jay Valentine and his fractal voting tech for years and nobody in the GOP has been paying attention to him as you well know.
It is like watching a train wreck as everything JV predicted is coming true. Now Sundance jumps onboard at the last possible minute- what’s up with that?
It seems to me that the fatal flaw of conservatives and Republicans is their inability to work together on issues that affect all of us.
How is it possible that with all the talent that President Trump has on his team including Vivek and Elon, they can’t use Omega’s data and resources? It is beyond frustrating that JV and his team have to scramble for money when they have all the info needed to STOP THE STEAL.
“free and equal elections” doesn’t mean “undated and unsigned ballots”!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUMB DUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trumps legacy will be that he bought the whole corrupt system out into the open. The cheat will have to be so big, it will be obvious to everyone.
I agree with that. It will be completely obvious to everyone in the world what is happening in america, just like 2020 was. That steal was 100% in the open too and nothing has been done by the GOP in any state to make meaningful changes. The only small impacts are from private folks risking life and limb and getting stopped or slowed-down by the GOP and the courts.
https://revolver.news/2024/10/update-york-county-pa-election-officials-report-massive-voter-fraud/
It seems to me, according to what Sundance has written here, that incidents such as this are a distraction from all the ballots being printed without registrations and then inserted into the tabulation system. It gives me a sinking feeling to say this. God help us all and God help our country.
I wouldn’t be shocked. If that’s what you’re thinking.
Quotes from latest communication from Omega4America:
The Trump Campaign has been pissing away money – $22 million to its campaign manager – on useless fraud fighting operations like having 200,000 poll watchers in an election where 40% of the vote arrives via mail and 95% of the fraud is from ineligible addresses.
. . .
So our teams have been working in these states, particularly Wisconsin, for 4 years – since Sheriff Clarke first brought us to the party. And now we are doing what the RNC should have been doing – challenging legal ballots, sent to legal people, at legal addresses which are undeliverable.
The numbers are staggering as we show on our website StopBogusBallots.com.
Why is the RNC missing this?
We had some interaction with one of the RNC’s top attorneys.
Here is his comment:
The top guy Michael Whatley, and his top RNC attorney, have tons of good stuff brought to him every day, of real problems and actions to take to solve them. But his go-to line is: “oh, we’ll be seen as disenfranchising voters from casting a ballot, we can’t take that action”.
So as you watch Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin slip out of reach for the Trumpsters, remember that Whatley is 100% responsible for this loss.
I am having the hardest time understanding how the Trump Campaign and RNC can be so backward about fighting the steal. They’ve had 3.5 years to stop it, but they don’t even understand how the steal is happening right under their noses! …sigh
Then watch his real estate holdings.
Whose real estate holdings?
LBL- see my comment above. How is it even possible that the Trump Team can piss away money like this and not support Jay Valentine and Omega?
Seneca, like you I’ve been following Jay Valentine, and have been astounded at the lack of support by Trump Team and RNC.
Thanks for replying. It’s always great to find someone else on the same page!
Dinesh’s movie ‘Vindicating Trump’ highlighted this local ballot printing process. How to stop it?
I have posted this before, but this thread deserves to have it posted again.
Ballots should NEVER leaver the positive control of the Elections Officials. The only ballots to be mailed out would be to the military. Once the ballots arrive from the printer, they never leave the offices nor the control of the county election officials.
There must be NO ballots mailed out for absentee voting. Each county should specify a 1 month period prior to “Election Day” where you can go to the Designated County Early Voting Location and cast your vote.
NO BALLOTS MAILED OUT FOR ANY REASON, except to Deployed Military Personnel. If people cannot come to the Early voting Location because of physical limitation, Election officials accompanied by representatives from each party can carry a ballot to the physically unable to go vote. YOU NEVER MAIL OUT BALLOTS.
If a county has 300,000 Registered Voters, print 306,000 ballots. That is 2% more than needed for spoiled ballots, etc… At the close of voting day, the number of people who voted is tallied. The number of ballots sent out for Military Personnel is tallied. Add those numbers together. Add the count of spoiled ballots WHICH WERE NOT COUNTED AND ARE CLEARLY MARKED. Add the number of unused ballots remaining. If the total is not 306,000, vote fraud has occurred.
The ONLY way to ensure honest elections is through an election day. That requires more than poll watching and verification. It requires the country to believe that no citizen has a right to vote based on their own determination of convenience or safety.
So yes, if you want your vote to count, or your right to vote respected, you have to “risk your life getting COVID”, miss time from work, physically go to the polls, etc., whether you feel like it or not. And if that depresses turnout, too bad.
Better some nice, innocent citizens be disenfranchised by inconvenience, sickness, etc. than turnout be high by any means possible. Fraud should not be an acceptable cost to increasing ballot access.
“honest elections”? That is sounding fairly quaint.
They’re at it again and unless a miracle happens we’ve seen the last mostly honest election in 2016 – and then only because they thought they had it.
I will be praying for the miracle.
They started early this time fabricating ballots. But based on the desperation in their comms. More time is what they need and all of these ‘issues’ will justify the talking heads as they agree that dragging things out is best. This way they can side step all the time frames the other side would need for investigation and dispute.
Touch screen voting…
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“However, what happens if ballots are printed locally, distributed and completed with names addresses and customary identification material, and then returned to the county recorders’ office regardless of and irrespective of voter registration.”
It appears to me that–at that point–we would have become a democracy. Where two wolves and a lamb vote on what to have for dinner.
And it also appears to me that–at that point–there is no way to make it too big to rig
Considering that this post identifies the ballot-printing centers as already in existence, we’re looking in the rearview mirror already.
Sundance is shining a light on what is, not on what might be.
Too big to rig was always a fantasy, a pipeload of hopium. Anyone who couldn’t see that after 2020 and 2022 is, well, let’s leave it there.
Absolutely! You went right to the heart of the issue.
After Sundance making it clear after 2020 steal that no amout of “Votes” can overwhelm bogus “Ballots”, why are so many talking about getting out the vote?
What Sundance is calling Balloting 4.0 is really Balloting 1.0: private printing of ballots was the standard until states adopted the so-called “Australian Ballot” in the 1890s.
In my state (Hawaii) “absentee ballot” refers to a ballot delivered to other than the registered voter address. Federal law preempts state election law on absentee voting, largely sold as protecting servicemen’s right to vote.
In our mail-in system, there is nothing on the actual ballot AFAIK that determines its validity. It’s all a function of the return envelope which has a registered voter name printed on it and a signature block that must be signed, though there are provisions to sign with a mark/X with a witness signature.
The ballots in envelopes are processed at the 4 county clerk offices. The key is so-called “signature verification”. I’m not sure of the exact process, but it seems like if the verification passes, the ballot is separated from the envelope and goes into a stack for scanning/tabulation. At that point if there is problem (ballot won’t scan/over-vote, etc) I don’t see any recourse.
Envelopes that fail validation and their ballots are placed in a “suspense” stack and the voter named on the envelope is supposed to be contacted to cure the defect. I think they do that by signing and returning an affidavit.
We have optional walk-in in-person voting at several voter service centers (a handful for early voting, 2 in my county on election day). To vote in person you have to sign an affidavit attesting to not have voted by mail. Not sure what happens if they find out you lied. Main-in ballots are accepted if physically received by the county clerk by 7:00PM election day. Not sure what happens if you drop your mail-in ballot off at 6:00 then get in line for in person voting.
The local paper had the gall to blame in-person election day voters for the state’s delay in getting out election results, rather than the incompetence of the state Office of Elections. That office is overseen by an “Elections Commission” with 8 appointed members (4 from Ds and 4 from Rs in the legislature) and a 9th appointed by the 8. Our R party has been pushing members to attend their meetings under the open meetings law; I don’t think the commission appreciates the increased attention they have been getting.
This post is meant to distract from the further overthrow of America taking place across the country. The post is NOT RELEVANT TO THE ISSUE and is NOT MEANT TO BE. It’s to DISTRACT YOU FROM THE THEFT OF YOUR COUNTRY.
They cheated in Virginia, too. The late Rich Higgins posted this on Old Twitter, now X, about a Congressional District in Virginia in which over 90,000 cast one vote on their ballots, their vote for Joe Biden being the only vote on the ballot which each of the 90,000 votes cast.
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I’ll admit what I’ve been saying for months. There is no path to victory. That time was 2016 and they betrayed us by surrounding Trump with RINOs and outright enemies of the new administration. They have had three elections to solidify the steal with no push back from state legislatures or the courts. The American experiment that we knew growing up died with a whimper in an easy chair with a remote in its hand drinking a beer.
Sad.
Mission accomplished:
How to Undermine America
A “Chat GPT” analysis
Robert W Malone MD, MS
Oct 28, 2024
https://www.malone.news/p/how-to-undermine-america
Question to Chat GPT: “If you were Satan and/or a long-term strategic enemy of the United States, what approach would you take to undermine the morale of American citizens, destroy their faith in God, and make them question their allegiance to their country?”
Chat GPT answer:
Sow Division and Tribalism: I would exacerbate existing social, political, and racial divisions, using propaganda to deepen mistrust between different groups. By fostering extreme polarization, I could weaken the national identity, making people see each other as enemies rather than fellow citizens. This could be achieved by manipulating the media, social networks, and public discourse to fuel conflict and outrage.
Erode Trust in Institutions: I would target trust in key institutions like the government, the church, and the justice system. By amplifying scandals, highlighting hypocrisy, and promoting cynicism about leaders, I would encourage people to lose faith in the structures that hold society together, making them feel betrayed or abandoned.
Attack Religious Foundations: To weaken faith in God, I would promote secularism and materialism while mocking traditional religious values. I would work to make belief in God seem antiquated, irrational, or intolerant, and highlight religious conflicts or corruption to turn people away from their faith. Normalizing moral relativism would erode people’s connection to religious principles and community.
Promote Hedonism and Self-Interest: I would encourage a culture of immediate gratification, material wealth, and self-centeredness. By making people prioritize individual desires over communal good or spiritual growth, I could reduce the importance of both faith and national solidarity. People focused on personal success and pleasure are less likely to sacrifice for others or a higher cause.
Undermine Patriotism: I would spread the idea that the U.S. is inherently flawed, and beyond redemption, focusing on historical injustices and failures. While criticism can be healthy, I would make sure it devolves into a form of nihilism, where the country’s ideals are seen as hypocritical or unattainable. This would make people question their allegiance and pride in the nation.
Create a Sense of Hopelessness: I would foster economic, environmental, and existential anxieties, making people feel that the future is bleak and out of their control. This could involve amplifying fears about job loss due to automation, environmental collapse, or global instability. A hopeless, fearful population is much easier to manipulate.
Co-opt Technology for Control: I would use technological advancements, such as social media algorithms and surveillance, to create echo chambers, promote unhealthy comparisons, and foster isolation. People would feel constantly watched, judged, and disconnected, leading to anxiety and despair. Simultaneously, I would push distractions that numb critical thinking and increase apathy.
In sum, a combination of division, demoralization, cynicism, and isolation would gradually unravel the social fabric, making Americans question their faith, their values, and their country’s worth.
The reality sinks in that nothing has changed from 2020, except for covid, and the crooks are more practiced than ever, with the Elias militia ready to roll and squash any challenges.
10 page letter from the headquarters of the United States Postal Service telling all post offices nationwide to change their normal procedures of how to handle absentee mail-in ballots!
But, but this eliminates the normal creation of a scanned image of the absentee envelopes going out from clerks, and coming back in from voters.
On page 3 of their letter:
“If ballot mail is destined to the local BOE (i.e., local turnaround): Retrieve local turnaround ballot mail from collection mail; Postmark ballot mail (round date hand stamp reflecting the date of acceptance); and Arrange hand-off with BOE”
Translation: keep absentee ballots local, deliver right to election clerks.
Omitted: don’t send to central sorting facilities which would have created scanned images of the front and back of the absentee mail-in ballots.
Yep, so pesky reporters like me, and citizens like you, can’t see the evidence of election fraud using mail-in ballots. Who can spell
h i d i n g e l e c t i o n f r a u d?
Amber McReynolds, an Obama minion, did this.
And 10 long, wordy pages by the HQ of the USPS. Simply to tell their workers: speed up the delivery, and by the way don’t scan the mail-in ballot envelopes.
This letter can be the new poster child for what is wrong with our government. All 10 pages here:
https://issuu.com/electionwatch/docs/
Peter Bernegger, WI
Too big to rig versus rigged too big, the US election process is like a giant Swiss cheese sickeningly crafted for rampant cheating.If the election goes against the president this seemingly simple and obvious “private”method of open slather ballot fraud will be responsible.
Obviously we are not voting our way out of this.
Federal lawsuit filed against ERIC, CEIR and the very corrupt David Becker.
Anybody have a thread app to capture the whole thread?
If it’s here, it’s shared.
He confirmed upthread already that everyone has been put on notice.
It’s gonna take an act of Congress to make the states cleanup their rolls for Federal Elections. There has to be severe penalties for those states that don’t comply. Stop same day registration and voting (Michigan). There is no way voter turnout is as high as it is portrayed.
My church will be open 9:00-5:00 on Election Day. I will be stopping in to say a prayer for our country.
3xALADY – I went today to an “early” voting site. It was PACKED long lines, so I have one more chance to return tomorrow to the same place for the final day of “early” hoping it’s like “the old days” = in/out. Then while driving home I thought “well, I can go on 11/5 instead to my local church where I’ve voted before, and fervently pray as I make my selections. The flip side is I’m praying no matter where I am, and know that I’m heard.
You are correct.
Nevada 2020 Prez Election
• 42,000 people voted more than once,
• 1,500 resurrection of the dead,
• 19,000 didn’t live in Nevada,
• 8,000 voted from a non-existent address,
• 15,000 registered to a commercial address,
• 4,000 illegal aliens.
• zero prosecutions.
Dominion Mail in Rino’s
Corrupt Zuckbuck Secretary of States
Lots of Corrupt Soro’s DA’s and Judges
So we shall see.
That explains Arizona gubernatorial race in 2022.
Balloting 4.0 – print fake ballots and distribute to people who then return them to be counted.
Balloting 5.0 – print the fake ballots and drop them in the box directly by the same people who count.
Balloting 6.0 – print the ballots with only one name on it, the winner.
Whatever you try to do, there will be another iteration you won’t be able to correct in time.
Still vote because it has to be so €*ing obvious and visible they’re cheating.
So then, Clyburn will et away with it again.
certainly appears that way
I have a lot of thoughts but will sum up in a single word that most here will understand:
WOLVERINES!
LOL, yeah, you do that and the few who join you will be used to declare a crackdown on everyone and 50% of the country will serve as Stasi informants (look it up) to compromise you.
Enjoy your chains, Winston, and a peaceful death in the comfort of the Communist nanny state you’re too afraid of to stand up against. As Covid showed what people were really made of, the 2024 steal will expose everyone, once and for all. Thanks for letting us know which side you’ll be on.
Winston was not recommending chains or identifying with a “side”. That’s your projection and assumption.
Winston was voicing an opinion based on observations that all of us are (or should be) familiar with.
Winston doesn’t do groupthink. Sometimes those who do not do groupthink are ridiculed. Been there.
Thanks for letting us know what you think of those who do not walk in lockstep with you.
You too, Sharon, enjoy your chains. Some of us choose to not accept the overthrow of our country so easily, and simply type away online, pontificating and pondering like some digital Solzhenytzn:
“Ah…if only we’d used the second amendment like the Founders intended! Arrrrggghhh! Maybe, just maybe we could’ve stopped them. Surely dying like freem men and women to fight for our freedom would’ve been better than dying piece by piece, day by day, a prisoner in this communist nightmare that used to be The United States of America!”
Again–thanks for illustrating how you shut down communication you do not agree with. How democrat of you.
I guess you’ve never heard the saying, I may disagree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. – whether Voltair or Evelyn Hall –
Speaking of chains……………………
I don’t know, Sharon. The way I read Winston’s post is that he’s mocking one side and skeert of the other (didn’t need to look it up, but thanks).
There’s a disquieting story out of Georgia about shenanigans in the voter database. Some self-described nerds found some sophisticated algorithms that manipulate the outcome, and a level of encryption beyond that of your run-of-the-mill hacker. They believe someone’s national-level intelligence agency is involved.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/10/does_georgia_s_algorithm_assisted_massive_documented_election_fraud_rise_to_the_level_of_a_treasonous_coup_d_etat.html
Yeah, no, I’m not buying that algorithm thing. Way too much like the “trust us on the technical claims” sort of scam which produced the Kraken BS and a diversion from the actual steal mechanism, fraudulent mail ballots.
On the Kraken BS, I believe the info provided to Mike Lindell and Sidney Powell was an intel community (part of The Blob) set-up to badly discredit ALL voting machine fraud claims and result in a huge lawsuit to deter any future claims about machines or even about election fraud in general. As an added bonus, it also got rid of Tucker Carlson…or so they thought:
Attorney Sidney Powell Submitted An Affidavit From ***Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia***, A Cybersecurity Expert Who Works With The U.S. Intelligence Community, That Discusses HAMMER and SCORECARD And Concludes That “The 2020 Election Data Were Altered”
https://theamericanreport.org/2020/11/27/the-kraken-revealed-proves-domestic-traitors-and-foreign-enemies-attempted-to-steal-americas-election/
Sidney Powell Election Fraud Witness ***Navid Keshavarz-Nia*** Cites Debunked Election Hoaxes
Dec 7, 2020
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/12/fact-check-sydney-powell-witness-navid-keshavarz-nia-references-several-debunked-election-hoaxes.html
Opinion | How One Man Conned the Beltway – The New York Times
Sep 9, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/opinion/sunday/garrison-courtney-spies-contracts.html
***Navid Keshavarz-Nia***, those who worked with him said, “was always the smartest person in the room.” In doing cybersecurity and technical counterintelligence work for the C.I.A., N.S.A. and F.B.I…
The man behind Trump World’s myth of rigged voting machines
Dec 20, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-election-montgomery/
Reuters was unable to reach the expert, ***Navid Keshavarz-Nia.*** Central to the election-denial movement is a galaxy of conspiracy theories about vote-flipping supercomputers. The myths can be traced to Dennis Montgomery, a programmer and former U.S. intelligence contractor. Judges have called him a fraud and a perjurer – and he has a history of promoting tall tales.
Find who/where the ballots are being produced. There is a level of sophistication/equipment capability that is limited for this type of production. Ballots can not be printed just anywhere. This needs some investigative action… OMG (James O’Keefe) type action.
LOL, would you call this a tell? Emphasis is mine.
8 key counties that could decide the Trump-Harris election
October 31, 2024
https://www.yahoo.com/news/8-key-counties-that-could-decide-the-trump-harris-election-110005439.html
The latest polls suggest the race between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump is historically close — the kind of contest that won’t just come down to specific swing states but to specific counties within those states.
Entering the final stage of fundamental transformation:
It isn’t who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes that counts.
Always has been, it’s just that this time we know how they do it, at least with mailed ballots. The machines are still shrouded in mystery, as intended and enabled by that method.
Such a sinking feeling in my gut after reading this post, as though the outcome has already been determined. I have voted already. I pray daily for President Trump and that our country be delivered from the grasp of these evil ones. It does no good to post about the way things should be. We all know the way things should be. What Sundance has written about is the way things are.
Right now I just want to lock myself up, away from everybody and turn off the lights. But, I know that this is precisely the time to keep praying and to put my trust in God and his divine providence, whatever the outcome of the election might be. It’s just so hard to imagine that after all of President Trump’s hard work, his miraculous deliverance from assassination, and the tremendous momentum that he has, that the rug could be pulled out from beneath all of us… May the God who created a path through the Red Sea for his people create a path for us, too!
Amen, brother.
I’m right there with you, Shoeless. And though they MAY make us shoeless, they can NEVER make us Godless.
This is what they can’t comprehend.
Nevada County, CA Board of Elections
530 265 1298
When I spoke to the clerk, she said the ballots were all matching their database.
Then I let her know in NYS that I found my own fake registration that was attached to a fake apartment number in another town. It had been activated in 1992. Just removed from the database this year.
Then her batteries gave out. She wanted to transfer me to her superior, but when I asked for the extension number, she could not find it.
Oh, my.
PA My fake registration had never voted.
It was just a number.
BATTERIES!? What elections board office uses battery powered phones???
I got the impression WSB was making a joke and meant the batteries operating her brain.
Twas battery powered pomposity.
Some seem to never stop.
If they succeed, expect to live a much diminished life. They will tank what’s left of the economy leaving most of us either poor or living paycheck to paycheck.
Obviously, there will be far worse long-term consequences, but the immediate one will be a very bad economy.
How does this match up to the number of people registered to vote in a certain city, precinct, etc? If the Cobb County voter rolls show 2.3 million registered voters, and there end up being 2.6 million ballots, won’t this trigger an audit or recount? Don’t know enough about election rules to understand.
And who knows what the real voter registration number is?
Now that the system us in place we need to focus also on numbers. If a precinct has 1000 registered voters and 1300 ballots are turned in, something us wrong. We can’t overlook that as we have in the past.
Sundance,
If a non gov ballot source is filling in names and addresses, they would have to be doing it on a ballot envelope as there is nowhere to put that info on a ballot, true? If the ballots don’t come in a signed envelope having names and addresses, they should not go to tabulation. Also any ballot received without a number tab should be rejected. Government receivers of these ballots coming from non government sources should be checking envelope signatures against on file sigatures, and whether they are registered. If they aren’t registered, the ballot should not be counted. Only through unlawfull acceptance by election personnel receiving these ballots from outside sources can these ballots be devorced from the registration process. All such ballots should be quaranteened and be investigated by bi partisan teams.
The GOP is still concerned with voters. All the Democrats care about is ballots. That’s why the Democrats always win.