It is not my intention to provide black pills. However, we discuss events through the prism of what exists, what we can see and track, rather than what we pretend might be in place. Thus, today CTH fires a signal flare drawing attention away from precinct voting polling places, and toward tabulation centers.
There is some alarming evidence beginning to surface pointing toward a shift in the USA election process, specifically the fundamentally changed process that now exists behind absentee balloting.
The events in California for the 2018 midterm election appeared to be the original BETA test of mass mail-in ballot collection. Every person in the state mailed a ballot for completion in the 2018 election cycle. The outcome was evident for two weeks after election day when ballots continuing to arrive changed the vote outcome.
The 2020 general election then saw, thanks to COVID-19, a nationwide rollout of the BETA test: balloting 2.0. Millions of households receiving ballots from state election officials, so the socially distant electorate did not need to assemble and vote on election day. The process created a widespread opportunity for fraud.
In the 2022 midterm election, this absentee balloting system was still in place; affirmed into a new structural process within each state. An awakening electorate pondered the absence of the predicted “red wave” and recognized there was a distinct difference between voters and ballots. In general, the republicans were still focused on voters, but the democrats were focused on ballot submission processes. 2022 was essentially the third iteration from the originating California BETA test: balloting 3.0.
After 2022, playing catchup, nationwide attention shifted away from votes and election day, and people started talking about the importance of ballot distribution, collection and submission. This has been the messaging system going into election day 2024. However, there are strong, evidence-based reasons to believe ‘Balloting 4.0’ is something else entirely. Election integrity officials could very well be focusing their efforts on polling and balloting processes that have moved far beyond where they were even just two short years ago.
In 2024’s Balloting 4.0, the “Tabulation Centers” are now far more important than Polling Precincts, yet we still see the majority of election integrity and validation effort, mostly by republicans, focusing on polling precincts. Let me explain what Balloting 4.0 actually looks like.
Those who created fraud within absentee ballots as a tool to change election outcomes, have dropped the pretense of “registered voters.” Registered, authorized and eligible voters are no longer an aspect of ballot fraud in this 2024 iteration. As an outcome, voter rolls no longer appear to be part of the equation, and the correct or incorrect status of voter rolls is a moot point.
There are very strong indications that Balloting 4.0, the fourth iteration of a fraudulent process to control election outcomes, has now moved well beyond the concern with registered voters and voting rolls. Balloting 4.0 is now about ballot submission REGARDLESS of registered status.
In order to receive a mail-in or absentee ballot from a state election office, in most cases the person making the request would need to be a registered voter. Some form of eligibility filter would be required (varies by state) to gain a ballot. Additionally, in many states’ ballots are sent out in mass mail format based on election rolls. This has been identified as an issue, because again the voter rolls are not up to date or accurate; ergo, multiple ballots sent out to invalid names and/or addresses. This problem still exists, but Balloting 4.0 has moved one step farther.
What happens when it is not the state or county sending the ballot or approving the request. If the state or county is doing it, voter rolls are still part of the equation. However, what happens if ballots are printed locally, distributed and completed with names addresses and customary identification material, and then returned to the county recorders’ office regardless of and irrespective of voter registration.
Balloting 4.0 appears to be a system where ballots can be generated outside govt, by any party in the private sector. What we would call, “localized ballot printing.”
In this instance, the distribution of the ballots can be made to people regardless of their registered voter status. In Balloting 4.0 the completion of the ballots has nothing to do with voter rolls or pre-filtered voter authenticity. Balloting 4.0 is simply the mass printing of paper ballots that can be scanned at tabulation centers just like any other ballot.
In the Balloting 4.0 process, the eligibility status of the person completing the ballot becomes irrelevant. A name is printed or written, address, identification particulars recorded on the ballot, and then the private-sector-printed ballot is then submitted en mass into a population of other ballots that come from state and county government systems.
Locally printed ballots can be mailed, put in drop boxes, dropped off at election offices, or dropped off by entities who “assist” in ballot submission, just like every other ballot.
If thousands of locally printed, perhaps fraudulent ballots, arrive at a recorders’ office what is to stop them from being bulk mixed into the population of ballots from registered voters. Yes, there are some formal filtration processes that are expected to be utilized to ensure all ballots received are from registered voters. However, if the receiving official or tabulation worker is motivated by ideology to participate (or willfully ignore) the potential issue, then all the fraudulent ballots just disburse into a population of authentic ballots.
While some very diligent election supervisors, workers and election officials take precautions to stop such localized (ie fraudulent and non-registered) ballot submissions, unfortunately those officials and workers do not work in/around urban voting centers like Atlanta, Austin, Philadelphia, Pittsburg, Milwaukee, Detroit etc. You can see the issue.
Pushing the issue and question up the chain as an outcome of boots on the ground research, I have yet to hear a response from any election official or career election integrity professional who has an answer for this problem. This concerns me because we are clearly seeing the tell-tale signs of localized ballot printing starting to surface.
We are seeing reports of multiple state, county and municipal tabulation centers who are having trouble scanning a significant percentage the population of the ballots they are receiving. Significant enough to change an election outcome. I would strongly urge readers to pay close attention to reports of some ballots “not scanning” correctly or having formatting issues when compared to the overall population of ballots.
BREAKING: In Nevada County, California, a large-scale issue with ballot printers has made it impossible for tabulators to count 77,000 ballots accurately
AGAIN. Why do we keep using these voting machines that malfunction at the slightest little “imperfection”?
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— George (@BehizyTweets) October 29, 2024
This is NOT an issue that encompasses double scanning of ballots. This is an issue of the authenticity of the ballots themselves. The authenticity of the ballot stems from the authorized authenticity of the voter, and voter identification is protected by a myriad of laws, rules and regulations making that part of the system check almost impossible after the ballot is scanned, accepted and/or adjudicated.
I suspect “Balloting iteration 4.0,” the system in place for 2024, is no longer a ballot issue connected to registered voters and voter rolls. I suspect ballot fraud in 2024 is now directly and simply the raw generation of physical ballots that have no connection whatsoever to registration processes.
Remember, because the way we value voting rights as a fundamental right for Americans, in every case of ballot review the election system comes from a predisposition that every arriving ballot is valid and authentic. Issues of doubt are weighted heavily in favor of the submission. It is rare to have a voting ballot disqualified by a system designed to protect voting ballots. Those who intentionally support fraud, count on this predisposition of validity [See Marc Elias].
If this perspective is accurate, and there’s no reason to think it is not, then election integrity focus on polling places is wasted energy. The real venues that should be getting the majority of attention are ballot tabulation centers. That is where incoming ballots need to be authenticated before they enter any scanning system to record the vote.
Once the ballot is scanned and tabulated, it’s over. There will never be a process to reverse or remove a legally recorded vote, even if that ballot is fraudulent.
I cannot read or write computer coding.
I understand a paper ballot marked by the human hand. The oldest method is the best method.
Sundance…Aren’t you the person who has been deep into the political weeds for years? Has this information been passed to the right people? I can try to email various people but they will never be read…but I will try anyway. Would like to know if you were able to contact ANYONE? Don’t even want a name …sure would be allot less frustrating for us who do not move in those circles …actually for most of us you are the only avenue. This article was left me feeling helpless and feeling we are facing a loss.
Surrender prayer…
Oh Jesus. I surrender myself to you. Take care of everything.
Or as Padre Pio says: “Pray, Hope, and don’t worry.”
…but it’s so hard to do!!!
With all due respect to the saintly stigmata-bearer: Prayer, hope, and non-worry need to be accompanied by a profound willingness to stand one’s arse for 2-4 hours in line to vote for DJT this go-round. Only then will the mechanism to combat what has just been described get into place. Simpering and thumb-suckery are unacceptable.
Thank you! Yes, God is in control…yes, nothing is going to happen in this election that is outside of His will. I think most of us here would agree with those statements, but the country, and the church, are in the state that they are in, IMHO, because far too many Christians have sat in the pews for years, and refused to actually do any of the work necessary to change themselves or anything around them!
While we certainly must trust in the Lord, G-d still expects us to keep actively fighting evil…
https://theisraelbible.com/holy-hermits-wont-save-america/?
The gods are best served by those who need their help the *least*.
He said he has in a response to the same question posed earlier.
We will win!!!
The win will come at great cost to both sides. Multiple corrupt “selections” have consequences.
Our Republic survived our Civi War. It will survive a second if need be.
the republic of the founders DID NOT survive the civil war. That is the problem. After the war of Southern aggression we now had a unitary federal government with states rights severly restricted. As SD points out the 16 and 17 amendment then stood the founders concepts on their heads. That where we are now. No pretending..
Sundance was asked, earlier in this thread, if he has contacted people that matter, over these new ways to cheat.
His answer, was one word.
” Yes”.
Good enough for me. The man has talent like Ive never seen. Ill take his word for it.
What will/can be done about it, is anyone’s guess. Too big to rig is the only hope I can see. Sorry, but that is the way it is. It sucks, It gets ya worried, it makes ya mad. but that is the non pretending version.
My sense on the ground (at least here in PA), is that they are not planning to deploy the ballot processing fraud system to the extent needed to overcome the Trump landslide, because the gap in 2024 is so large that they would need to deploy it to the point of exposing the system. And they will never do that locally. Too many depend on the rigging systems for power.
These election stealing systems have been in place for many decades, particularly in places like Philadelphia, and they are reliable power keepers for many local and state elected positions as well as these federal races.
Using them to the point of exposure would run the risk of them being reformed, and the systems being dismantled and destroyed. And that would bring down the city power structure, and perhaps the entire state corruption apparatus with it.
And they may not be willing to pay that price in bridging this huge a gap. It was close enough in 2020 to pull it off. Not this year. Not without it becoming too obvious. There are only so many ballots that can be counted out of Philly.
In other words, the ballot flood pouring in may just be too big to rig this time.
Just my take on it. And that’s not to say that President Trump can’t go after these election fraud hotspots after he is re-elected. He can, and he should.
You’re assuming the majority of people want it fixed, but as long as Progs enjoy the outcomes they’ll leave it intact. The democrats will filibuster any reform as anti-democracy. The nation is too dull and seduced to force reform upon itself.
No. I’m assuming that the majority of people that benefit from this system it don’t want it destroyed. It’s how they retain power. And this is a multi governmental elections setup; it’s how all the locals retain their own power in their own races.
The Philadelphia Democrat machine is not going to risk their guaranteed perpetual control over the city’s elections process to elect Kamala Harris.
And using it to the point of a Venezuela-type situation here, where the fraud becomes objectively obvious to all, and unconcealable, risks exposing that entire apparatus to much deeper scrutiny than in 2020, where the fraud was able to be managed better.
It’s a matter of scale.
After reading, I had the same thought but on a national scale. Hypothetically, (and possibly), let’s say DJT gets a record number of votes. What is the number that they have to create to beat him? And at what point do even the intellectually dishonest have to admit that it was rigged. To me it did not seem the left has a moral threshold for gaslighting at all. IDK
The cabal needs 30,000,000+ fake ballots/algorithm adjustments at the very least.
Todd- no way do they need that many ballots! The margins of “victory” for FJB in 2020 were less than 30,000 votes in many cases.
They needed over 800,000 votes in PA in 2020 at 10:30 pm on election night.
By my gut handicapping President Trump will flip 15,000,000+ former Democrat & independent voters. Using 2020 falso numbers.
Add 15,000,000 to President Trump’s 74,000,000 votes = 89,000,000. Add 1,000,000+ Too Big To Rig personal bias bonus(insert hopium—I admit I am guilty of hopium majoris syndrome).
Subtract 15,000,000 from FJB/FKH 81,000,000 = 66,000,000.
2024 Presidential Election
President Trump
90,000,000
FJB/FKH
66,000,000
Maybe 30,000,000 are not required. The other side needs 24,000,000+ fugazis.
How many do they have to create? The fine Russia just slapped on Google might be the correct number.
The “intellectually dishonest,” AKA any identifiable democrat or Never Trumper will NEVER, under any circumstances, admit an election is rigged. No amount of facts, proof or truth will change them or get them to admit that dem cheating is real and caused any election to be stolen by dems.
I’ve studied dems my entire life. They exist completely in a totally separate and different bubble. All anti Democrat info is PROHIBITED. I feel we can convert, if Trump loses, an additional 3% maximum over the next 4 years of a disastrous Harris administration. In other words, 97% of possible Dem converts have already been converted to Trump/America First. The remaining 3% is nowhere near the number needed to keep up with Dem increases in illegal immigration and current levels of election cheating. If we lose this election, no real change, in my lifetime, will be accomplished at the ballot box. Unfortunately, Total Victory over dems will never be achieved and they will never surrender. The fight goes on forever. Count on that for the rest of your life.
One.
Recall dems wanted a federal takeover of elections. Maybe this is operation chaos to accomplish that
Don’t count on it. These traitors are trying to kill Trump. I don’t think they care if they get caught because who is going to hold them accountable? See: Jena Griswold, Colorado Secretary of State.
The other side is not some lock-step monolith. The Biden allies continue to throw monkey wrenches into the Harris campaign even now.
There are competing factions and groups among the Democrats, at the state, and even the city and county levels. Philadelphia city government and the machine that runs it is a closed fiefdom unto itself. They are not willing to sacrifice themselves and their system of power for a larger national race in many instances.
Here’s a hypothetical to better understand. Suppose the Philadelphia machine decides that they are going to go over-the-top, and process as many fraudulent ballots as are needed to overcome a 2.5 million vote state shortfall. That might ‘win’ PA, but it would completely expose the system as fraudulent – there aren’t anywhere near that many people in Philadelphia.
And suppose Trump ‘loses’ PA, but still wins the general election (and he has many paths to do so). He loses PA, but wins WI and AZ and NV, or any other set of combinations, breaking 270.
Philadelphia is now going to be targeted with an intense DOJ federal election fraud investigation after Trump’s inauguration. Many Republicans are going to go along with it. And it could tear down the entire established elections system in Philadelphia, throwing hundreds of ‘elected’ officials (and many of their local establishment power brokers) out of power.
So no, I don’t think the people that run the Philadelphia machine are willing to put themselves out into a killing field for a race that is already this far behind, and where the consequences of losing nationally then become so high. They are not going to risk it.
They are not going to destroy their local machine for a national race that is now such a huge reach. 2020 was much closer. Not this year. This is a 1980-size landslide.
They’ll do what they can to keep it close (to erode legitimacy and a mandate). And focus on stealing the next batch of closer elections.
But they are not going to sacrifice themselves, and especially not for what is a nationally losing candidate.
It’s the Rule #1 of politics: look out for #1 first.
Great analysis!
“ And suppose Trump ‘loses’ PA, but still wins the general election (and he has many paths to do so). He loses PA, but wins WI and AZ and NV, or any other set of combinations, breaking 270.
Philadelphia is now going to be targeted with an intense DOJ federal election fraud investigation after Trump’s inauguration. ”
No offense implied, but I’m not sure you’ve been paying attention to the “silo” system Sundance has been explaining.
I hope you’re right, and I hope I’m wrong.
But these demons are pure evil. Destruction is what they thrive on.
Lol. The “silo” system is a federal agency theory. We’re talking about city machines, and election systems that have been churning along in power since before FDR.
The only “silo”they’re interested in is their localities, and keeping firm control over them.
And if you don’t think DOJ is going to get a full-bore overhaul, you haven’t been paying attention to PDJT.
And destruction of “their” system is what they deserve…my hope is that the communist Democrat party is damaged beyond repair and rebuilding. Waiting for the P Diddy ugliness to be exposed; it may be enough that some of the accomplices/participants will leave the country.
I agree with your analysis and sentiment. It’s why, for many here and those who pay attention, you can see the shift happening to acknowledge a Trump win: media talking heads reversing course, strategists talking about Senate and House races, impediments, and bootstrapping talk.
The Uniparty is now shifting to the stall and impede Trump once elected phase. However, first, they will try not to certify the election coupled with violence, as Mr. Raskins has outlined several times.
Yes, the war is far from won. They will keep fighting well after January 20.
They will never give up power gracefully.
But they will eventually be giving up power.
The margin for “too big too cheat” is bigger than anyone can believe.
Colorado was the original test case with obummer’s first election. Ballots were produced for democrat precincts at 107% of residents.
They don’t even have to collect real ballots because all identifying mark were removed in 2008. Ballots are printed at precincts for same day voting. All that’s necessary is the printer file. Bios passwords are being published, how protected is the printer file at a national printer?
I believe ballots were being printed at Runbeck to fill unreturned ballots for “undecided” registrations. Concierge voting!
It went into overdrive in 2020 with an average 12% increase statewide to produce a 400k winning margin for Slow Joe. Supposedly 87% of Coloradians voted. 24% higher than the 50 year average for presidential elections. The only places with higher participation rates were blue state county tabulation centers.
Colorado with mail out ballots has been turned into a tabulation center that is controlled by who tracks voters and votes for those who don’t return their ballot.
Runbeck was purchased in ’23 by republican owners. Possibly still RINOs but this is a broken cog in the machine.
I think the cogs driving the machine start to fail with something a simple as the unions not declaring support for Kamala.
Without the hands and feet to make the cheat happen everyone starts to look around and say, “this only works if we are all committed”. When one part fails the whole shooting match is exposed and cheaters start to protect their exposed cabooses!
Runbeck sidelined + no union endorsement+ voters integrity groups challenging ballots on front side + PDJT promising to hunt down cheaters=
I hope a catastrophic failure of the ballots production machine and PDJT returned to the Whitehouse.
Every real vote submitted takes a slot that “concierge voting” can’t fill.
Vote and take 3 neighbors! We are sand in the gears!!
Another terrific post. Runbeck having recently sold a controlling interest ( I posted their press release somewhere here today (?) claims no “management” changes and Runbeck themselves are overseen in an NGO type alliance with both DHS as well as C.I.S.A. so that is obviously an ominous association. Knowing what we now know of those rogue galleries.
As it’s clear you are aware, their activities in PA are significant. I also would like to understand more of what the recent ownership changes at Runbeck foretell. If any.
They’re still handling ballots for at least ten states in the general. iirc. Runbeck is still a real factor somehow.
Here’s PR blurb re PA stuff of theirs
https://runbeck.net/press-releases/#pa_agilis_falcon
Reading your recent posts suggests a cogent and nuanced take on those geo-specific areas. I applaud your grasp and ability to spell it out as you have. The only aspect that might serve as caveat in your assessment that struck me, would be the supranational aspect of the power held above or atop by forces larger than the “Philly Machine”. Those whose power base supercede individual localities, per se. But I sure can appreciate that the Philly power structure might capitulate for the reasons you suggest.
Saving their collective asses, to fight another day.
Other than that. Good stuff. Thank you.
Agree. You have to have a level of sanity to reason. Without that level of sanity, there is no ability to reason. Hence, they will go all in just because of the debased mentality. We’ve seen it play out over and over. They ALWAYS overstep their bounds.
They will attempt the impossible.
Now think, they only need the right votes. Unless the vote in the blue states is swamped by the votes for Trump, the margin for the cheat is a fraction of the national vote.
So the cheat will go on as if they think they are going to win.
Stopping the count and then 81 million votes for Biden didn’t expose the system in 2020?
81 million votes … all out of Philadelphia.
That’s not how it works.
His post in no way limited those “votes “ to PA.
Sorry.
You seem to have missed the point of it.
There are practical limits to any fraud machine.
Older Soul- reading your post and hope that you’re right. I am starting to agree with you that maybe they won’t risk everything for Kamala. Maybe they will wait and regroup in 2028.
Their worst case is to wait Trump out. Because he will be off the stage in 2028.
Provided PDJT does not use those 4 years to go nuclear on their system.
I don’t see that as a gamble the usurpers will be willing to take. I believe “they” will activate their version of a Samson option – first to the buttons.
Plus – Philadelphia isn’t the only city amongst the cheat centers sundance lists that has a decades-old entrenched Corruptocracy that likes their local fiefdom exactly the way it is.
In fact I would venture to say that every solid-blue large city has just such a Corruptocracy.
And plenty of them could be the immovable objects to the irresistible force. Political Black Holes could be created.
I guess we’re living in Interesting Times.
Really?!
I just don’t see it. “They” must all know that some even many are guilty of actual treasonous crimes against the country. To the degree that some of the harshest penalties for that might well be undertaken.
I don’t see those who really orchestrated the coup of 2020 have any choice but to fight to ( someone’s ) death.
This. The know we know, and they don’t care. No one is accountable.
They had to shave votes s off of red counties to do it.
Looking at Seth Keshel’s numbers, the supersized shift in the red counties to dark crimson means that maneuver is also insufficient this year.
The corrupt locals are between Scylla and Charibdis, aren’t they? Dont cheat at all, TPTB make them pay in other ways. Don’t cheat enough, President Trump prosecutes their fraud. Cheat too much, their whole enterprise is demolished. They would have to be just like Goldilocks – just exactly enough.
But what if they get bad information on the actual numbers?
Any of them with a brain must be incredibly nervous.
“Any of them with a brain must be incredibly nervous.”
Guess nobody there is nervous.
It’s why the early voting numbers are scaring the crap out of them. Even here in CT:
Early voting in Connecticut has seen a strong turnout. As of October 28, more than 367,000 residents have cast their ballots early. This is higher than anticipated, with Secretary of the State Stephanie Thomas praising the smooth roll-out of early voting21.
West Hartford leads the towns with over 9,400 early votes, followed by Fairfield and Norwalk. The early voting period continues through November 3, so these numbers are expected to rise even further.
I don’t hear the Dems talking about early voting; I only hear MAGA or Republicans talking about it. West Hartford is the reddest part of the Farmington Valley, with other pockets around here.
Bingo!
How much freaking proof does one need to understand?
It exposed it to anyone who had a brain and wasn’t glued to morning mika and her boyfriend or rachel madwoman.
I knew it on election night when I was up reading updates and they started announcing the shutdowns.
Remember that Miami’s election rigging system was in place for many years. When the people that ran the scam were fired, Florida’s elections became safe with real results. It can be done but you need the right people in power.
That could wind up happening in a place like Philadelphia if they go too far on the fraud. They still lose the national race, and their system gets dismantled. Lose/lose.
And the people that are now running Philly aren’t going to get anywhere near that fire.
And not for a national candidate this bad and this far behind.
Everyone can be bought; Kamala has a lot of cash. It only takes one overly greedy individual to bring down their house of cards.
Great point. How much money will be spent by KH and super pacs in her 100 day sprint to the presidency?
You have to give them credit though; they pulled the potted plant across the line with that stupid 3 step jog to covid crop circles sporting a load in his pants and now they’re emboldened thinking they can do the same with harris.
Truly a ‘hold my beer’ moment for the Swamp.
I’d love to write a well-researched book (accepted by all of Academia with footnotes, references, bibliography, etc.) showcasing the greatest election cheats throughout USA history. I suspect the single chapter on Republican cheating would be 3 pages max.
Unless one considers compliance as cheating. You know, ‘snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.’
The Swamp Rs continue to play the Washington Generals to the Ds Harlem Globetrotters
My Forward would explain that only blatant examples of election fraud which succeeded in changing an election outcome (even if only temporarily) would be addressed in my book. Examples of Republicans deliberately folding as they regularly do in all types of voting matters would be the subject for another book.
See below for a favorite example of well documented Dem cheating. BTW, Wyatt Earp (Republican) would ultimately be the good guy when this example of blatant voter fraud was reversed. I’m sure there’s thousands more horrendous examples of similar dem cheating over the last 175 years.
The Cowboys from the Tombstone, AZ area were fixing an election for Sherriff of Pima County in 1882. Guess what political party the Cowboys/outlaws belonged to? Hint: it wasn’t the Republican Party
“Boys, this election has gone too one sided to suit me and just to show them fellers down in Tucson that there is no coercion in this camp I am going to give Bob Paul one.” “So on the morning of election day John Ringo, Curly Bill, Milt and Billy Hicks, Joe Hill and a few others rode into the little station of San Simon…. on the Southern Pacific Railroad, and took possession of the voting precinct and all of them proceeded to vote, and to make sure that none had been left out or overlooked, they voted several times over again, then they got all the white people of the little place – men, women and children, probably eight or ten in all, and voted them in the same manner, then they rounded up the Chinese and Mexican section hands and voted them two or three times over, then they voted all their horses and a dog or two and a stray cat, and finally to make sure no one was neglected and not been given a chance to cast his ballot, they voted every one over again.”
An exaggerated account of ballot stuffing from the book: Ride the Devil’s Herd. Wyatt Earp’s Epic Battle Against the West’s Biggest Outlaw Gang by John Boessenecker.
Same old same old Cheating Dem scum.
Please see my new related post (below), and pollster Rich Barris saying Trump is CRUSHING low propensity voters in swing states.
Also the BLOCKBUSTER revelation that 175 top Demicrats and military leaders war gamed blocking Trump presidency 6 months ago. Did Sundance luss this?
GOP lean pollster Rich Barris here, but kind of Frank Lutzy. Fantastic news.
https://x.com/Peoples_Pundit/status/1852020884652855509
So, a bit like the mob putting limits on what they steal or sell because the wrong item from the wrong person will bring down the hammer.
Yes, it’s a variation on the old skim schemes.
Skim too much, and you get caught and/or run the host dead.
Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
I disagree.
They have fully functional 4.0 up and running
The Dems didn’t stop ads in North Carolina because they had given up winning NC.
No …
They stopped the ads because they felt they had already successfully rigged North Carolina for a Harris win .
The same with many places.
The fix us in .
You obviously have not been following NC politics too closely.
But feel free to black pill yourself into a stupor.
You’re way off base in NC. Trump is winning.
To presume Omnipotence is to grant Omnipotence.
PM Churchill did not warn the people of Coventry that the Nazis would be bombing the city lest the enemy have reason to believe its code had been broken. Coventry was sacrificed for a greater good. This is an interesting point. It may mesh with the noise coming out of PA that the Harris campaign is not well organized in that Commonwealth.
The locals on the Dem side are furious with her. Especially in places such as Philly. Complete chaos and disorder coming out of her campaign. They can’t coordinate things.
And their base can’t stand her.
This ain’t Obama or even Biden this time. Even the machines don’t have confidence in her.
Stop thinking that we are up against a mindless Borg. There’s a deeper reason the LAT and WaPo and USA Today refused to endorse her.
That’s a good assessment of the situation.
The question is are the democrats willing to sacrifice themselves for Kamala?
Not at all.
Sundance also mentioned months and months ago that if they knew the presidency was lost they would switch immediately to stealing the House and Senate if they could.
Looks now as if they are pursuing both goals simultaneously.
I agree with you that the Democrat ground game has been a euphemism for ballot stuffing for decades.
Surprising how inert the GOP has been for a long time.
It was surprising to me when I got to this web site 9 years ago.
It didn’t remain a surprise!
As long as elections are not auditable you don’t have a legit government. Progs have taken full advantage of the general faith the public puts into its elections. We no longer believe in the outcomes and will have our lives destroyed by attempting to call out the fraud.
DT will likely win but we don’t have the courts or law enforcement to make it happen on Jan 20. God blesses honesty, not this.
6,000 Las Vegas-area voters need to verify their signatures or votes won’t count
Oct 30, 2024
https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/6000-las-vegas-area-voters-need-to-verify-their-signatures-or-votes-wont-count/
LAS VEGAS (KLAS) — Nearly 6,000 Las Vegas-area voters who voted by mail need to verify their signatures or their votes will not be counted, according to data the 8 News Now Investigators reviewed Wednesday.
As of Tuesday night — the last day with data available — the county had rejected 5,854 ballots because the signatures on those ballots did not match the ones on file. In addition, the county has received 380 ballots without a signature so far this election.
On that and other things from Scott Adams today. Cued to that point:
https://www.youtube.com/live/A8gK84mZSII?t=3488s
I’m wondering if this is because they are actually verifying signatures or because those 6,000,000 ballots were ALL Republicans voting for President Trump?
Can’t speak for Clark County, NV (Las Vegas area) but in Washoe County (Reno area) – they actually do verify the signatures and contact the voter to personally go to the Registrar of Voters office within a short period of time to bring proof of their ID and qualifications for voting in the county.
And, of course, being journalism majors at best, the media didn’t ask follow-on questions like “Is that an abnormal amount?” or “Will we ever be able to find out how many of those were fraudulent voting attempts?”
These people that are “Secretary of State” openly cheating to get a candidate elected that the vast majority of people 70% think has taken this country in the wrong direction is just beyond what I could have ever imagined for this country.
I pray that 30-40% of real American Voters have had enough of this Marxist takeover and will NOW Vote for President Trump!
““Source of Data Manipulation is Coming from Secretary of State” — TOP MICHIGAN ELECTION EXPERTS Discuss the Massive Double-Voting Scandal in Michigan with Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft and Patty McMurray”
Excerpts:
On Wednesday, The Gateway Pundit’s Patty McMurray published a shocking report from Michigan. Election integrity analysts claim they have proof of 208,075 ballot cases by 82,674 voters.
This comes out to 125,428 extra votes that were cast and counted in Michigan.
This follows an incident in September 2024 in Michigan, when we reported that data expert Tim Vetter, along with Phani Mantravadi of Check My Vote, identified 6,126 duplicate votes on the August primary voter rolls.
Later, 6,017 of these duplicate votes curiously disappeared from the voter rolls after our reporting, while 109 duplicate votes remained in the October vote history.
Tim Vetter: In this list, you should never have duplicate votes. This list would be designed or should be designed to never have a glitch, should always It needs to be reliable and accurate, and it is not… Every voter ID that is in the list that we’re talking about has a registration and has an address. When you look up all of these voter IDs, they were 208,000 plus. The most significant occurrence was 29 occurrences.
Well, one of those voter IDs actually matched the registration on October 28 of these did not match… Unless we investigate this issue, we’re not going to get to the bottom of how this glitch occurred, which should never occurred in the first place…
…This glitch has been occurring since 2019. I’ve been monitoring the voter rules from the very beginning. We have evidence back to January of 2019 of 11,500 plus individuals who voted two, up to six times, in elections back in 2016 and 2018.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/source-data-manipulation-is-coming-secretary-state-top/
It’s not a glitch.
I read that article with my coffee. Blatant and outright cheating by those who are supposed to be responsible for maintaining election integrity. Next up, Benson from Michigan, followed by Griswald from Colorado.
Before he focused on prosecutors and DA’s, Soros focused on Secretary of State races, remember?
Would Obama go out this late in the campaign if he read the polls that we see? Or would he go out this late in the campaign knowing that he’s campaigning for the winner?
They are in panic mode. Bloomberg just donated 50MM, Obozo still out, celebs cutting last minute ads…They are worried.
Optics.
If your team is getting flogged, the coach is still on the sideline urging urging.
My kid at a university in California had 3 ballots mailed to her apartment for people who didn’t live there.
Hope she filled them out.
Imagine how often that happens at apartments with large clusters of mail boxes. Just grab the trash bags from apartment mail areas and replace them with the same type around the time that ballots are mailed? Think anyone thought of that… YEARS ago? “Oh, the apartment crew emptied the trash. How nice. Now there’s more room for ballots sent to previous occupants who left and didn’t change their voting registration address.”
If we went back to paper ballots, manual counts, same day voting, no mail or early except in very limited cases, the democrats would lose 50% or more of the seats they hold nationwide from dog-catcher to president. Problem is, the GOP would then have to assume a long-term leadership role and that’s unacceptable to them.
Neither party wants a fair and true voting system. What we have today is the result of many years of manipulation by both parties. The only real improvements that have happened since 2020 have been done by private groups with small budgets and massive resistance from both parties. Notice how the GOP did virtually nothing since 2020? Not because they are stupid, it’s because they aren’t going to screw themselves. They like being the squeaking mice, perpetual loser party. It suits them just fine. They couldn’t take the lead on anything good. Just look at the GOP Senate…….not one worth a pile of poo in my view.
“and that’s unacceptable to them…They like being the squeaking mice…”
Agree 100% because they would then actually need to act like actual conservatives rather than the yapping phony opposition they are, voting against things when it’s a 100% safe bet they’ll lose.
The UniParty obeys The Blob. Period.
Honest elections are very easy to do and insure that there is no cheating. Gee, I wonder why that easy peasy election process that any GED diploma mill holder could set up is not what we have????
So, from reading SD on the election and the ballot cheat, how do we ever have an honest election again? Those SOB in the uniparty benefit from rigged elections and they are the ones who can fix it. Fixing it means they lose elections. Guess that tells us how soon it will be fixed.
Knowing The truth is Depressing. Maybe pretending to not know would lead to a happier life since the average Joe and Jane can’t do anything about any of this except blitch about it.
Seriously and real world answers, how does it get fixed?
Have the Bureau of Engraving and Printing print up Voting Bills, marked by the year 2024, with watermarks and the whole nine yards of security.
Voters who choose not to vote in person must accompany their ballot with one of these to for it to be valid.
They can obtain one in person at their local election office when they register with an ID.
Or election personnel can deliver them upon request by appointment, furnished with ID.
Then one of those Voting BIlls must accompany the ballot to be valid, if not voted in person.
Ballot weight/thickness with proprietary paper with watermarks and a given state generating only what is needed for the election could help.
Authenticate the ballot before tabulating the data.
Johvan Pulitzer claimed to have the equipment and technology (kinematics?) to scan and confirm paper ballots for a state within hours.
Overall, if the Swamp wanted honest elections, we’d have them.
It’s doable to make it secure. But the Dems will go to the mat to ensure that doesn’t happen. They will defend what is profitable for them.
Words mean nothing. They gain power and money from unsecure voting processes and systems. Period.
If you consider this information in light of the Dominion ‘national’ and not fixable problem with vote tabulatior machines, then it is possible that not only are many ballots bogus, but that the tabulation programming itself has been adjusted to account for the bogus ballots which they knew were coming.
There is no solution except paper ballots in person on election day with verification of registration, correct address and valid ID proving citizenship, and with counting at the polling location and secure transfer of ballots to the election clerk’s office, and secure storage at the clerk’s office locally.
Why would one name a voting machine company Dominion in the first place?
Seems the folks who want to control others usually tell us what they want. We need to belive them the first time.
“Revelation of the method”
California was ground zero for the original fraud after Reagan won
Now wait a minute. Chicago in the 60’s was way ahead of Cally.
Many have been saying all along that we’re not going to be able to vote our way out of this. That may yet turn out to be true. If it does, the groundswell of positive emotion and peaceful protest that we’re experiencing now will somehow need to be translated into some form of massive civil disobedience and a willingness to risk martyrdom. Once the current system collapses, there will be a need to build local communities and systems upon which to resurrect a moral and lawful culture.
On the other hand, miracles do happen.
Population of Washington D.C. is 680,000+.
2,000,000 patriots surround the cabal and effectively apply citizens’ arrest to the whole of D.C., things will change rapidly.
Yes. We saw one on July 13.
I am getting to the point where I am convinced that the only way President Trump can beat the cheat is if it is God’s will. We must continue to pray and also to expose as much as we can in the meantime.
SD has done a lot more to stop/interrupt their evil plans than anyone I know of. There have been massive efforts by others too, i.e. True the Vote and the Fractal group.
We do our part, vote and get others to vote for President Trump.
Not sure what else.
I gotta be honest, if Trump has this stolen I’m not going to blame Democrats. I mean, YES they are pond scum who cheat….but we know that. Trump has had 8 years to create an infrastructure to mitigate this. He’s also had 8 years to walk the country through the specifics of how this happens, and he failed. He complained, he whined, he did not EDUCATE.
Yes, I realize Ronna McWitcherson ran the RNC for much of that time (a Trump pick, FYI), but the point still stands. He has had time to get the best people, create the best anti-cheating infrastructure known to human history, and if it fails……he needs to take accountability.
So, if we’re cheated out of this, of course, Democrats need to be sentenced and imprisoner- we know that. But that is the minimum bar that needs to be lept over. Trump himself needs to take some ownership of that failure, should be lose. And MAGA needs to finally demand something of him that it, thus far, has never demanded: accountability.
How the double H Hell was he supposed to create a vast infrastructure to mitigate this when he was overwhelmed with staying out of jail, just to name a few obstacles to this. I’m sick of blowhards with no solutions. I’m waiting to hear how he could have accomplished this.
I strongly disagree with you, and I think such blame-casting onto President Trump is totally misplaced.
He is not responsible for it. The R’s in power are and have been responsible for it. The grand majority did little to nothing to expose and/or make the necessary changes.
Laying this at Trump’s feet? Really?
Americans as a whole don’t care. If they did care about honest elections they would have never allowed mail-in ballots or early voting. Same day voting, in-person, with ID and thumb dyed purple.
We have the least secure voting system in the world.
Notice how once states go to universal mailed ballots those states become Democrat super-majorities?
“Americans as a whole don’t care.”
Yep, an attention deficit, intentionally dumbed down and successfully propagandized political idiocracy.
The awake and informed can’t vote OR fight their way out of that.
Thus, like George Carlin said he was, I’m a detached observer.
” At some point a man just hoists a black flag and starts cutting throats”
SO SUNDANCE IS TELLING US TWO DIFFERENT STORIES.
DID SOMEBODY SPIKE HIS COFFEE?
1. The past ten days, he’s been essentially measuring the White House for new drapes. Picking the Cabinet, the emissary (Dr. Ben Carson), etc.
2. Now he’s repeating his analysis – which seems logical- of tabulation centers.
(He leaves out other tell tale fraud, like Dominion voting machines pre-selecting Harris; Dominion machines flipping Trump to Harris in other scenarios; illegal immigrants votes; foreign-collected votes; etc.)
He has also left out his previous analysis of winning so big, as to make cheating impossible.
Pollster Rich Barris is now saying Trump is crushing previously low turnout swing state voters.
So his analysis is incomplete given the new alleged data. And why can’t Sundance get through to Team Trump?
https://x.com/Peoples_Pundit/status/1852020884652855509
BLOCKBUSTER??!!
Top 175 Dems and military leaders six months ago gamed preventing Trump presidency?? This is TITANIC.
https://x.com/amuse/status/1851993385352966187
This close in, like in so many elections past, the black pill brigades start to show up to spread their gloom and doom.
If not carefully crafted concern and worry, then they spout off about the inevitability of it all. “It’s all just so hopeless”. Just like it was in 2016.
I think Sundance was careful to add the anti-black pill caveat to his column. But a cautionary column like this one still attracts them like flies. The doomers and eeyores, and all their dark karma.
Ignore them.
It’s hard to do over all the stink and noise of chomping thistles…
…but I agree with the “ignore” idea.
I prefer the problem-solving lane. Always. No matter how small my contribution may be. Happy flea looking into the furnace.
In Honduras they had an election, felt by the Congress to itself be illegal, and the ballots were found in a warehouse and had been printed in Venezuela. Zelaya got escorted out of the country in his PJs.
It would be instructive to know where all ballots are printed, and the names of the ordering entity and the company printing the ballots.
Why don’t we have insiders disrupting these schemes? Patriot double agents?
If the fake ballots happen to catch fire the day before the election, oh well!!??
If fraudulent printing presses are disabled, opposed.
Don’t forget, President Trump has a big announcement he is holding back.
Interesting info.
And Dominion was founded in and has company officials from Venezuela.
Did anyone catch where Hennepin county(Minneapolis, home to Tim Walz) Minnesota broke the law by not appointing hardly any of the 1500 republicans submitted to the county ballot board tabulation center for mail-in ballots? A court ruled that the Walz cronies need to correct that by Friday.
Golden Gophers are too polite.
I just got this text about an hour ago
For me, it was a bit spooky and seem like it could be a scam
Anybody else got one or know about it?
FYI, I plan on voting first thing Tuesday morning down the block from me.
Site url goes to Win Red which is a GOP fundraising org. Delete and ignore
I get in the neighborhood of two dozen such texts in a day. Delete and sometimes block number when I’m waiting in line, as entertainment.
Nobody Special is brave to touch the URLs in them – I never would!
The steal is on. Put down those Hopium pipes. Sundance is the first to see it.
Earlier this week he was measuring the White House for drapes. Pick a day. See my longer post. Cheers.
“Earlier this week he was measuring the White House for drapes.”
Epiphanies can happen, eventually…
Just being realistic. Nothing has been done to combat this. They say we have more poll watchers this time. In 2020 the commies wouldn’t even let them in. You think they are going to let watchers in this election?
BTW Which longer post?
Yeah. You should go huddle with Emerald and “prepare”.
I suggest something in black.
“… I suspect ballot fraud in 2024 is now directly and simply the raw generation of physical ballots that have no connection whatsoever to registration processes…”
I think it was also this way in 2020. Remember the semi trailers of ballots that went to the USPS in 2020?
I read recently there is still a lawsuit pending trying to get the USPS to identify who paid for them.
Jovan Hutton Pulitzer who performed the 2020 AZ audit has been preaching this for the last four years with virtually nobody paying attention. The GOP establishment is in on the corrupt system and has no desire to see President Trump in office. They supported the coup in 2020 and unless there is an unprecedented turnout this year we don’t stand a chance.
Based on what you just wrote….
Can we actually expect a massive number of ballots that far exceed the population? But, they did import millions of people so that ballot number will match the number of people imported so they can claim credibility in the election.
If Trump loses then they will have the power but not any legitimacy. This will be the moment that the Republic irreparably fractures. And, I do not mean that it will fracture between two groups of opposite political beliefs, ie, the dems and repub’s. Americans are not fractured. Americans are overwhelming for Trump and unified. The coup waged by a small group of people will solidify control to the point that the American people of have no say whatsoever and no power evermore.
And, everybody will know it. That will be the beginning of the end. Russia and China will be delighted. They know the long term consequences will then be very favorable for them.
At that moment, the country will go into permanent decline and dissipate power, reflecting our true strength and character. The BRICS will expand and grow in power on the whole. So, the deepstate will need to act fast to carry out their plans against the rest of world while they have tremendous power relative to the world. I hate to say it but America’s power has been bleeding out for a while, which, for the deepstate, is an acceptable tradeoff to gain power.
The deepstate can win this battle but lose the ongoing cold global war against the BRICS or particular members in BRICS. I am certain the potential prez kammy will make the cold war hot. Their brilliance always did far exceed their wisdom and exceeding their wisdom is easy for them to do.
At this rate, future voting will be conducted with tools other than ballots.
What I think they’re up to is negating the defecting black/latino voters towards Trump. Their votes are the reason places like Philly and Fulton County go 60 to 70% for Democrats every election. Negate their votes with printed ballots brings the election close enough to steal without anyone being able to prove it.
Volume of ballots vs registered voters is the only check. Hence why they are apoplectic whenever anyone suggests cleaning up the voter rolls.
It’s all about the ballots, not the votes.
The tabulation centers are still a big problem.
While this “hack” was accomplished on machines decades ago the newer machines are even easier to manipulate the votes because it can be done via the internet on a wide scale basis.
Fraction Magic is another way they alter the results:
Polymarket is now down 4.2% on Trump. It should be going the other direction. There is heavy betting coming in on 10 yr for kamala. Not liking this.
If Kamala is chosen and installed, then there’s no point in “pretending ” we have elections anymore.
Plan B is either a civil war or state seccession
Emerald has been pounding the drum on massive election fraud for years…..She just posted this a few minutes ago….I pray she is wrong…….
Emerald Robinson https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/271d.svg
@EmeraldRobinson
Too many people on X have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.
The Pentagon is in complete control of America’s elections.
The cheating will continue until Kamala Harris is installed in the White House.
Hope is not a strategy.
Yep
The best part is they plan to start wars and draft our sons and daughters. They want us dead and all the resources for themselves.
Ahhh. I wondered when Tokyo Emerald would pipe up with her doom.
Hopefully, she is all prepared.
Remember Biden is still the President for the next three months.
That is an excellent nickname for her. Her trumpet only plays one note.
If they can flip Congress by cheating it doesn’t matter if President Trump wins.
This just makes me despise Nancy Pelosi all the more.
California is a legitimate ClusterF and is designed that way on purpose to take the will of the people and trash it.
By the next election tens of millions of citizens who register, follow the rules, vote will be discouraged from participating in this election charade. Exactly what occurs in so-called democratic socialist societies. People do not want to pretend when they know the game is rigged. We are a suspicious cat’s whisker from a totalitarian state that will run these phony elections and declare their leadership is the will of the people. The inevitable next stop will be communist China where all pretending ceases.
See Jerome Corsi’s article on American Thinker today. It’s worse than what Sundance describes. The algorithms are state of the art intelligence community efforts, probably multinational.
Maybe that’s why Elon pushed Second amendment issues instead of vote fraud.
What the hell are we to do then when 1/4 is too unaware, and a 1/4 more likely approval?
Well, duh. We went through all of this with the Arizona hearing in 2020, when people like Jovan Hutton Pulitzer spoke about the discrepancies in the PRINTING of ballots, and how scanners then were unable to read them. In four years, NOTHING has been done about this.
I cannot believe that Republicans when they had the presidency, senate and house, could not have dealt with election security and integrity if they had strong leadership in Congress. Surely they could have preempted many of the problems being faced now if only they had all been patriotic and not self-serving?
One more VERY VERY good reason for in person voting ONLY!!!
If you can’t get there… you can’t vote… these bad apples have ruined the opportunity for shut-ins…
Balloting 4.0 Translation = These are simply counterfeit ballots printed illegally by criminal NGOs!
The Dem Cartel’s ballot fraud , of course, will be even more massive in this election…their hysterics though are a ‘tell’ that they aren’t sure that it’s large enough to install their latest Ringer into Office. We are left though, to hope that our voter integrity groups are out in front of it enough this time to at least cut out a chunk. We also have to keep control of both Houses, though, since The Cartel will attempt to block DJT from being sworn in if they have either House or Senate. We should prepare for extended chaos, since one thing is absolutely certain, and that is the DC/Dem Cartel won’t give up the Ring voluntarily, but must be beaten to the ground and have it snatched from their hand.
Sundance, I hope you’ve emailed, texted, snail mailed a copy of this article to Lara Trump as head of the RNC (I believe)
As well as other VIPs
Only a Trump landslide could possibly overcome all the fraudulent mail-in ballots that Democrat NGOs will introduce into the system in the days after Nov. 5
In other words, a repeat of 2020.
WA voter search tool @
https://whocountsthevotes.com/voter-verification-search/ now shows who has already voted in the 2024 general election.
You can search by name, address, or partial addresses. To get a precinct list, find an address or voter and click the far right link in that row to view whole precinct.
Data includes voting history from federal elections back through 2016.
There is NO excuse why everyone can’t use this to GET OUT THE VOTE! See who hasn’t voted and go knock on doors in your precinct!
Counterfeit.
Since we are discussing physical ballots, I have a question.
It is a federal crime for a non-citizen to vote in a federal election, including for President, Senator, and US Representative. Furthermore, in order to become an American citizen it is required that the applicant learn English and demostrate a proficency in the English language.
So-
Why are federal ballots printed, and electonic machines displaying federal candidates, in languages other than English? Isn’t that encouraging non-citizens to commit a federal crime by voting for federal candidates? Shouldn’t ALL federal candidates be displayed and printed in ENGLISH ONLY?
We think we can beat the cheat by making the vote too big to rig. What do we do when we fully stop pretending there are real elections.
I think you know.
After the 2020 election I made a suggestion that our side should just print as many ballots as possible and mark the ballots so the democrat wins in that area.
So if a democrat is running for Congress and he has only a thousand people living in his area, print 5000 ballots. That way everyone can see the fraud.
This crap will never end until we start twisting the rules for ourselves.
You are correct. The RNC plays softball while the DNC plays hardball.
Just watched Dinesh’s new movie, Vindicating Trump.
About an hour in, they showed how anyone could get a sample ballot & order ballots, have them delivered right to your door.
They then paid About 35 bucks for list of voter rolls, saw who was registered & hadn’t voted.
Ballots were filled out & tested on the counting machines. Went off without a hitch.
Is this ballot 4.0?
This should be ILLEGAL & major prison time.
Here is the link to Dinesh’s movie
1:06:00 is where the ballot making starts in the film.
Abolish absentee voting except for proven emergencies…..invalids, nursing homes, etc….. we know with the hidden algorithms and the ID changes the fraud is on…..all hell will break loose if they still another one…blm and anifa best stay out of they way, points nor no points your dead meat….
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Attention Trump voters – VERY IMPORTANT
Wear a vest to vote if you haven’t voted already. Take pictures of all of you in line.
If Trump voters start wearing orange vests in voting lines, we’re gonna see it on TV news coverage of the polling places
The media won’t be able to avoid it unless they don’t show ANY voting-line footage
We’ve got 6 delicious days of watching that spectacle
This suggestion comes from Treeper Brant, on the President Trump Gives Hilarious Explanation… thread
Brant
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/10/30/president-trump-gives-hilarious-explanation-telling-background-story-of-garbage-man-vest/#comment-11240686
You can be sure they will ban them as being covertly or overtly political just like they can make you remove a red baseball cap now.
Plus it misses the point of this article entirely. Showing up to vote will become meaningless if fake ballots can be introduced/injected into the ballot stream at any place along the route to the tabulation centers.
We need 100% or nearly 100% of eligible voters to show up and vote so that the fraud becomes undeniably obvious when every county has more ballots than ~100% of the population.
But even when they KNOW someone has fraudulently voted, like the Chinese national this week, They have admitted that there’s no way to remove his vote (because you don’t know who he voted for and even if he tells them who for maybe he’s lying so that they will remove the vote from the person he wants to harm. Get it? It could disenfranchise some other voter so they won’t do it. Crazy!).