Whoa, this is a little unexpected and catches Suspicious Cat a little off-guard. FBI Director Chris Wray actually answers some detailed questions about the attempted assassination of President Trump and the ongoing investigation.
Beware of voices who are saying we should not be paying attention. I am providing some segments below so we can all catch up. WATCH:
“8 Cartridges” – “No other suspects”
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Jim Jordan gets specific in the next segment:
Drone Recovery in vehicle, with controller – Flight of the drone took place between 3:50 to 4:00pm around the area, approximately 200 yards from the stage – Approximately 11 minutes of drone flight, with livestream – Three explosive devices in both the vehicle (two) and residence (one) – There were receivers with devices and the suspect had the transmitter – Receivers were not turned on, they were in the “off position” – Encrypted platforms relate to social media networks on suspects phone, Signal, Telegram, encrypted messaging apps.
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Hope they’re providing more info to Trump.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13668215/fbi-director-reveals-drone-bombs-trump-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13667123/Thomas-Crooks-fired-eight-shots-six-seconds-Donald-Trump.html
Malice claims that witnesses began to notice Crooks scaling the building ‘about two minutes before the shooting started’.
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The footage shows dozens of people screaming and trying to flee as eight discharges, fired in approximately 5.2 seconds, ring out.
Two final gunshots are then heard. The first counter shot, which insiders said came from a local sniper, was was fired roughly 5.5 seconds after Crooks opened fire.
He then stopped firing, which audio analysts claim indicates he had been struck. The Secret Service sniper’s shot came 10 seconds later, CBS news reported.
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‘Right before he was shot by Secret Service, he had rolled over, got up,’ Malice recalled. ‘I have a picture of him with his rifle up and his rifle turned towards me and the other guys that were standing behind the tree – and at that second Secret Service shot him.’
Why did it take them so long to kill Crooks? Why wouldn’t they kill him as soon as they saw him holding a rifle, let alone one aimed at Trump?
Why didn’t the agents at the stage rush Trump then and protect him, before shots were fired?
I’m convinced that he should’ve been corraled and exited long before he scoped in on PDJT. It’s inexcusable that he ever got the opportunity to fire that rifle.
Even if two minutes before the shooting is not a lot of time for me, I would think it was an eternity for well-trained shooters and security to make decisions and take actions. The call to those close enough to Trump on stage to have taken action should have been almost immediate. The problem might be with the thought that they were “well-trained” and didn’t have a better reaction time than I would have had.
The thing is, the totality of evidence tells us that he was known as ‘possibly suspicious’ a half hour or more before the shooting took place. Plenty of time for somebody to get a closer look.
But they’re saying just suspicious, not ominous. Climbing up to the building must have raised the suspicion level to dangerous and changed what action was required.
In my experience (passive as it were), ‘suspicious’ has typically been enough to get closer and monitor his or her actions. In this case the evidence suggests they purposely ignored Crooks from the outset.
Look at it from the point of view of the preponderance of the evidence, which IMHO is clearly plenty to indicate that this was an inside job.
All the SS on that stage seemed completely gobsmacked when President Donald J. Trump ducked downward and saved his own life (with also IMHO lots of help from probably quite a few guardian angels!).
Training to help him, if that was what they were actually doing next (perhaps at least a couple were), would have kicked in and made them less gobsmacked.
But what if some, many, if not all of them were already expecting him to be dead?
The overall reaction is entirely consistent with that expectation. They were shocked – but not in a good way.
Then – desperation. Fumbling with weapons on the women’s part. Putting the shortest one in front! Trying to get him a stretcher and covered (what better way to hide his survival from the crowd and Epstein him in the closed vehicles a little later?).
No, he rose like a phoenix and foiled any such Plan B they may have had.
IMHO.
Allegedly.
Your mileage may vary.
Yes, great insight on how he prevented them from whisking him away in a stretcher and offing him while in the car or the hospital like they did Seth Rich. What a Lion we have been blessed with in Trump!
Inexcusable or deliberate?
Synonyms in this case, surely.
Bingo. They stood down
And was the rifle already on the roof, as nobody saw him with the rifle, before the shooting.
It was all a setup. They had to wait for Crooks to shoot, to label him the (anticipated) killer.
Exactly the second he was seen on the roof there should have been a one word command to secure the president until they determined if there was a threat. They didn’t act until he or they got shots off. That’s inexcusable!
We get new footage… that jump cuts to a pixelated representation of Crooks looking in the direction of the camera. I want to see the raw footage and I want to see second by second overlays from multiple angles. Not jump cuts. I don’t want to see a snuff film, but why should I believe the sequence of events as presented?
What happened to the story that the SS sniper could only see his scope and top of his head when he shot him?
“Hope they’re providing more info to Trump.”
Yes–their confessions.
Why should we trust that 8 casings were found — does the FBI really think that Americans should trust the FBI without forensic evidence?
Who was first on the scene, PSP or Feds?
Who first approached the body of Crooks on the roof, and was video taken as the body was approached, e.g. law enforcement bodycam and / or high-resolution video / still camera and / or iPhone, etc.?
What are the forensics procedures that document that the evidence — or in this specific case, three additional casings — was not “created,” and were those procedures followed, etc., etc. etc. . . ?
Many are concerned that the GOP is feckless and therefore worthless, and these questions will go unasked — and that there will be zero consequences.
But, it is still “early,” and I am an optimist — and therefore always disappointed!
Oops! Just saw your (same) questions appear after I hit post and the page refreshed, Sierra. So, there are at least two of us questioning the casing count.
Millions of US
3… I highly doubt Crooks got off one round.
Because the best analysts said the evidence – ballistic, trajectory tracing, topography – all added up to one shooter at that one location. Wray just confirmed their analysis. Martenson Ph. D. got it wrong.
https://arngrimr.substack.com/p/forensic-audio-analysis-more-than
How did they do that? Where is their info originating?
Interesting counter arguments, but now we start getting magic bullet theories.
You are such a fedsurebtionist….I smell a fed…and that is you pat….a patsy fed disinformation specialist…F off…
Martenson’s analysis seemed pretty much on the money, as you can actually hear the sounds, and how they differ.
I would be careful about that. He even says he’s not a forensics expert. I saw the video he made, and it is compelling, but when I watch the rally at full speed the other 5 shots only sound higher pitched because the sonic booms of the bullets at the higher frequency appear in rapid succession. Gives the appearance of a different sound, to me.
People are going to be picking that audio apart for months.
We’d see more of a definitive effort to dispute the audio from the government if they were worried about it.
They always telegraph what they’re worried about. What have they telegraphed so far?
That they’re afraid people have or might come to the conclusion that government agents are responsible.
Even the kookball Left and their “Trump staged it by having a friend shoot live bullets at his head” theory (trolling, tbh) says that probably 2/3-3/4 of the country does not believe the official story.
Ya think? They have been lying to us since at least 1963 and those of us who were alive then (and some that were not) remember so many things that they told us about that day that just were not true. We watched as Jackie dated Onassis, one of the richest men in the world, who could whisk her children to safety from anywhere in the world.
The best analysts? You must mean someone other than the FB Lie.
Who is Arn GrimR?
He was asked if Crooks fired 8 shots. He answered that they found 8 cartridges. Those are not the same. And he had his thinking face on when he said it.
Could be nothing, but his word choice was intentional.
Right… Were the casings all located on the roof? Were they all of the same caliber? Were there any casings found that were not in the vicinity of the roof?
Wray’s commented needed further dissection.
Where are the actual event videos of the ‘found casings; sans body etal? Not a wiped-down staged narrative video
“Found 8 cartridges” – Any found on the second floor of the warehouse? Around the watertower? No, those were the professionals, they would’ve picked up their casings. It does feel like this kid is the patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald.
If the analyses that the last two of the first 8 shots came from two different bolt action rifles, the brass would have stayed in the rifle.
He just answered a little more specifically:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Adz605lllNI?si=w4-bvoqHA2vVUwR5
Wray was very ambivalent about the casing analysis. Martensen says 3 shots from 1 weapon, 5 from another. Apparently, the casings were grabbed up quickly.
And where are the forensic photos?!
Good. They cannot equivocate on this stuff. Next ask “who is “we”?”
Names of the LEOs. Then each of them gets brought in for questioning.
Exactly. His answers were cagey.
My follow up question would have been for Wray to identify the cartridges (I.e. were the 8 cartridges identical, of the same caliber? What was/were the caliber(s) of the cartridges?)
Wray is a snake.
If he said it was daytime I would go outside to check.
Yes, agree. Also of reports of the father who ‘supposedly’ phoned in about his son before the shooting. To who/which organization/when? Phone records? Videos of their alleged removing “stuff” from Crook’s house afterwards – what kind of stuff (specifics)/receipts? Where is the father NOW?
This is the “tell” over the coverup……
I am NOT “concerned that the GOP is feckless, and so won’t ask the questions that need to be asked.
I am absolutely convinced that GOP leadership green lighted this op, just like they green lighted Comey to initiate Crossfire Hurricane, and so in a similar manner, Congressional GOP leadership will do everything necesary to cover this up, due to their own culpability.
The Congressional Republican Leadership do not do what they do, and NOT do what they DON’T do, out of cowardice, go along to get along, greed or stupidity.
They are COMPLICIT,…THEY ARE THE SWAMP.
Spot on Dutch. One uni party. The illusion of the 2 party system stinks.
This comes across as a very hard attempt at covering up the “real story.” Wray is being to forthright and everyone on the panel is either politicking (Nadler) or leading Wray.
It is interesting he’s “opening up” but it is that opening up that raises a red flag for me. It’s different and typically things are different for a reason; my guess is that Wray’s job as well as the Reps on the sub-committee are there to provide the official narrative.
I can’t trust or believe a word that is said….next thing Wray will have 51 intelligence officials writing a letter backing his answers.
Yeah cuz I thought he always says he can’t comment on ongoing investigations. But in this case you can spill the beans? Sorry not buying it.
Exactly; which is it Wray, you can’t comment on ongoing investigations or you can share details? Which is it? Or does it depend on what kind of cover up you need?
Good one!
The investigation is of a dead person – nobody to prosecute; as of now. If they do find any accomplice(s), the “ongoing investigation” excuse would kick in.
Absolutely correct. Understand they have unparalleled experience and intelligence from Satan himself as to deceiving the half wit public.
I concur with the Cheney/ Clinton / Jill Biden hypothesis.
Pray the 109
Politicing ,right.
I was thinking,Jordan,shut up ,I’m trying to hear sh!t.
Who was Crooks communicating with that he needed encrypted social media accounts? I’m told these have been used by “terrorist” groups overseas to communicate to the sleeper cells in the US.
I have a telegram channel.
I definitely am not a terrorist.
It is a social media platform that
Governments don’t have access to.
That is a Good thing.
Free Speech is Free Speech.
PERIOD
Ditto that !!!! I am not a terrorist and I use Signal .
Watch the media now begin ranting that anyone who uses encrypted communication is a terrorist and gov (world wide) chime in that they need to see everyone’s comminications because we are all assumed to be potential terrorists !!!
The globalist tyrants in all govenrments will welcome access to everyone’s communications so they can later use innocent and frank conversations as eveidenc in future “wrong-thing” trials.
BTW : Signal itself does not store and messages … they are only stored on the sender and receivers phones and messages can be set to time-out and self erase if desired.
as evidenc in future “wrong-think” trials.
You gotta wonder who created this stuff .
My bet , government.
I’ve used Signal (CIA developed by all accounts).
Yes – I think sundance even wrote a piece warning people against using it.
I know many people who use Telegram…..
Again, this seems like someone planting a seed so that Congress can act and go after these platforms.
Like Tik Tok
I don’t know anything about social media accounts, I don’t use them. But my email account is encrypted, Protonmail, to keep anyone but who I want to read my emails from reading them. I’m not an active sniper.
Encrypted accounts can be simply an app that requires a password in order to view anything on a phone. They typically are used to keep stuff private and not necessarily a communication method. We don’t know details yet. I believe Iphones come with built in encryption.
Everyone needs encrypted social media accounts to reduce the ability of big tech and big government to spy on you.. That’s why people use Signal and Telegram instead of WhatsApp (owned by Zuckerbuck’s Meta).
Many folks have encrypted apps, Tik Tok, Telegram, Singal, Whatsapp, etc.
And “terrorists” have also been know to use unencrypted burner cell phones.
Non sequitur.
Exactly, non sequitur but it sure does get the fools going, the talking heads yapping, and selected Congresss critters talking about doing something, doesn’t it BK?
While I agree with opposing opinions under your comment, at the very least I would also want to know who he was communicating with. It should be part of any bona fide criminal investigation, at the very least to ID possible co-conspirators.
There is the possibility that the addressing parts of his comms were not encrypted, just as an IP address can’t be encrypted (except in a VPN tunnel) because Internet routers need to be able to read that IP address, so they can actually route data packets to their destination.
So I wonder how extensively being looked at in the investigation, OR if if’s being covered up.
This could be the answer to how he learned to make his bombs.
But how did he get the bomb materials?
We still don’t even know what the bombs were made of.
Were they military grade?
Was it more fertilizer grade?
Dont know
Wonder if he really had bombs at all…or is this to make the patsy seem more devious?
I use signal .
Originally got so I could talk to my son over seas ,in an area that’s hostile.
But it’s great for passing videos and pics from Android to an iPhone .
Pics and videos were clear , that was a problem before .
And the length of videos passed us much greater time wise .
I think this all warrants careful review instead of dismissal that “nothing will happen” because the loyalty structures have been shaken up TREMENDOUSLY. It will not be only “where do loyalties lie” but “who will be willing to throw who under the bus?”
Their screw up after failing so badly on this risky move on Trump has them WAY more terrified of what may happen to any of them individually. We’re looking at some very classical death-penalty level things in my opinion.
Daniel, very good points. And for us CTH folks, it means we need to pay attention to those who don’t demonstrate that fear. Cuz you are correct; loyalties are now in question. This sub-committee knows or at least understands this was an inside out job. They know. Nadler knows. Jordan knows. They all know as does Wray.
And yes, I agree, they are all going to be looking over their shoulders- not only can they be thrown under a bus they can also be taken ou too- most of them have no details, even if diminished, like Trump.
if the explosive devices were in his car, and his car is farther away from rally (supposedly he biked to site from car), why would he have the receiver turned on? Why would he even bring receivers – to blow up a car hundred of yards, mile away?
I am curious about the explosive device not on the roof but at his residence. Do they know if that one was “turned off”?
Maybe the receiver was to detonate the one at home?
How do you think his parents feel?
Thought: “My kid was willing to kill me”
And how did they know it was his car?
Here’s my semi-educated guess:
The rifle has a serial # and per what I have read every gun sale in the US needs to include the ATF 4473 form which includes the buyer’s name and the serial # of the firearm. (This is the form Hunter Biden lied on.) I read that Matthew Crooks purchased the AR15 11 years ago but the form has been around at least since 1968, though I haven’t yet verified that serial #’s have always been required.
Presuming there was an ATF 4473 recorded for the sale, law enforcement could easily trace the rifle to Matthew Crooks. And then doing license plate checks of vehicles in the vicinity they would find the one registered to someone in the Crooks family. It’s possible they found identifying info in the vehicle, like a vehicle registration card or insurance card.
At that point they were certain the car was associated with the shooter, “his car”, the car he used, though they wouldn’t have been certain that the shooter was a Crooks. It could have been someone who broke into the home and stole the rifle and stole the car.
To have this serial # infor means a gun buying ATF data base which is illegal, but we all know the fed govt doesn’t obey 1 single law…
Yep, it certainly does imply that, doesn’t it.
How did he get in with a bike and if the distance is so far then why didn’t all rally goers bring a bike to get to the stage area?
I’m taking a calculated Tom Clancy style guess here…
1) The shooter was not prepared for the local police dude to show up at the roof. The SS and DHS and FBI did not think a local police dude would do that either. This unexpected event from local police royally messed up the time frame for his hit.
2) The bomb in the car could have been blown up as a distraction. Everyone ready to shoot would have a moment of chaos to shoot. The interruption by local police spoiled that plan.
3) The audio files I have heard (soon to be censored I will guess) present at least 2 distinct different sounds. The first shots were probably the Crooks dude..the followup rat-a-tat-tat automatic sounds probably the inside assassins in the 2nd floor of that building (which should have been totally protected on the roof.)
The fact that shell casings were picked up and now gone forever is further evidence that this was an inside job. I actually imagine the hooter was popped by a handgun. A 30+ calibre shot from snipers 200 yards away would have exploded his head like a watermelon. I can’t believe that sniper shot hit him, based on the photos of the dead guy. His head was pretty well intact.
Tom Clancy style conjecture here.
I loved his novels. I miss him. I miss Rush in the AM as well.
I expect several “suicides” in the next few days as the truth unfolds. Watch for them.
I agree with your conjecture about his head…..but there are probable scenerios where his head could stay intact. IMO they are not likely due to the type of weapon used (at least from pictures- but that doesn’t show the round used).
The rifles were suppressed. Would it be possible that they used sub sonic ammunition, lowering the muzzle velocity enough to reduce expansion/wound cavitation? Are they special rounds, maybe even frangible in case they have to shoot into a crowd?
If you go with the analyses of a mid range and long range shooter, subsonic rounds would not be appropriate.
On the other hand, ‘explosive’ round technology has been around for along time.
Drill a small hole in the bullet, running front to back. Put in a drop of mercury, then seal the hole with lead, so that when the bullet is fired, the mercury goes to the back of the tube you created.
The rapid deceleration on impact causes the mercury to slam forward, and the effect is to cause the bullet to fragment.
Gallium is a rarevearth metal, ‘white’ or silver in color, similar in density (weight) to lead, in a pure state (99% pure) it is solid at room temperature, but literally melts in your hand, that is to say at the internal temp. of the human body (99.6 degrees farenheit) they would find a melted blob so long as the bullet did not pass thru the body.
Whether the heat from the gunpowder, or the friction as it went down the barrel, or the friction from passing thru the air would cause it to melt, is an open question.
No doubt the CIA has long ago explored all sorts of ways of making magic bullets.
Most believable analysis I’ve heard.
The “tell” eager to give US 8 pieces of “silver”
Every time I go to TGP and scroll thru the headlines, and then come here and likewise scroll the top stories, and begin reading thru the comments, I am overcome with the same conviction;
And that is that the wheels are coming off the wagon, for our enemies.
I do NOT think they are smart, not at all.
They are shallow, vane, duplicitous, scheming psychopaths, and some of them are intelligent (very few, actually) but they are NOT smart.
The metaphores are plentiful; chickens coming home to roost, dug a hole deeper than the Grand Canyon, wheels coming off the bus, etc.
They have committed themselves way to far to back out, now and so are trapped into continueing to drive off the cliff.
Latest thing; violent protests in D.C. by the pro-hamas crowd, and given what they are doing at Netanyahus speech, you just KNOW they are detirmined to blow up the DNC convention in Chicago, and nothing the DNC can do will appease them.
And the Dems OWN the pro-hamas nutjobs, they can not credibly disown them, now.
They have continued to double down on bad hands, since the escalator ride, they have been forced to expose their true nature in such obvious ways that gradually the American public has exhausted its resources for maintaining denial.
We are witnessing the deconstruction of the power structure in real time, and its fascinating to watch, in a macbre way.
I agree Dutchman. I hope they continue on their crazy path of self destruction! If you have faith (so you are not living in fear), it’s really time to pop the corn.
They are not smart, and their fear and anxiety is making them sloppy.
Wray said the switches were off on the devices in his car. Stupid mistake not allowing him his diversion?
Also the ladder left somewhere offsite. Did he try to ride his bike carrying the ladder and dropped it because it was to difficult?
Lots of unanswered questions, eh.
It’s like shark week when all the shark experts pretend they don’t know why the sharks are now coming in closer to the beaches.
I like the analogy but from my perspective it’s more in line with the same shark experts pontificating as to why sharks attack surfers that look like seals from below.
It’s the swimmers’ fault.
We ate all their tuna.
Cocaine.
Brazilian sharks are loaded with it.
Is Hunter in South America?
The audio files that Chris Martenson has spotlighted at PeakProsperity dot com make clear that the first 3 shots were very distinct from the next 5 – which all came within 9/10 of a second. The idea that all 8 shots came from Crooks is highly implausible.
I wouldn’t trust anything Wray says, he is the whole reason our country is a mess….. because he didn’t do his job and let criminal Democrats run amuck. He is a part of their team, it’s been obvious for years now.
He’s not the “whole reason” but certainly a key spoke in the wheel.
And the one Trump fired was equally bad/responsible.
Breadcumbs of truth creating a trail leading away from sheer incompetence. They don’t want it exposed that the wokies spend more time on DEI than they do their mission.
Plus any other time Wray simply cannot answer any questions but all of a sudden he wants to talk about all these details yeah right!
Wray is a pos.
I will begrudgingly give him credit for
being a better liar this time.
He has worked on his game,
I want the original source analysts of that evidence not a Podcaster’s opinions.
Why aren’t the two original sources for forensic audio analysis saying anything?
Since it’s second source is it verifiable audio from that day? It sounds close but is it?
Martenson is dead wrong.
https://arngrimr.substack.com/p/forensic-audio-analysis-more-than
WHO TF is ArnGrimr and why is he believable or considered knowledgeable in this area? TIA.
I saw this on CD Media
https://creativedestructionmedia.com/video/2024/07/23/live-7pm-est-io-episode-260-former-cia-john-ritchie-multiple-shooters-confirmed/
John Ritchie describes a video he received from a sniper that validates the multiple shooter theory. Sadly, the video he discusses is not linked.
But this supports the multiple shooter theory, which rings more true to me than the lone shooter theory. Especially because Wray and the FIBbers are pushing the lone shooter
Fox news reported that a local police sniper took a shot and missed. True or not? If true it can explain 3 different firearms. Crooks, local police sniper, and SS sniper with the kill shot.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/sniper-killed-would-be-trump-assassin-one-million-shot-source
Wray making it up.
If Wray is being “forthcoming” now, then I suspect that the ducks are now all in a row and he is feeding the public “details” which support the now official story.
And of course, he and the current administration will get credit for being forthcoming and cooperative, which will deflect suspicion.
Maybe he’s trying to save his job. If Trump is re-elected Wray is almost certainly going to be replaced.
If this is correct information, then maybe Bongino’s sources were right and a mass casualty event was the original goal.
It looks completely targeted to me. To take out Trump. I think Crooks was as sick in the head as the guy I read about yesterday who ran over an 80-year-0ld Trump supporter with an ATV because the Trump supporter had put Trump signs in his yard. Sick and irrational.
As young adults, many have been conditioned (taught) for at least a decade that “Trump” is a danger to society, a Hitler. At age 20, this brainwashing started during childhood and continues today.
Totally agree! I had Democrat brainwashing when I was young and it took many years for me to rid myself of it. What a refreshing and amazing time that was, when I finally had my walkaway moment. I felt like I had escaped a cult.
The word is groomed.
Yes, in fact it wasn’t an assassination attempt at all-just another mass shooting. PDJTrump’s head just happened to be where the shots were directed . We know the shooter’s intent based on information from the SS and FBlie. Now that that’s settled, let’s close this down. Who’s for some lunch?
Were there any witnesses to the drone that flew earlier in the day? People in line early?
And, thank you, Sundance, for spotlighting this.
I don’t know, but from experience, all I can say is that lying liars lie.
Next they’ll be telling us he secretly trained with WasWas. 🙄
SD, is Wray’s testimony an example of the “Limited Hangout”?
Also, what are they voting on?
Probably National Tuna Day.
Sorry, that’s May 2.
I just looked it up. Today is National Tequila Day. 🍸🍹🤪🤮
I’ll let my husband know immediately. Thank you.
They are voting on what to have for lunch; Nadler wants a full on buffet, whereas the more health conscious Reps want light fare with Fresca. They need something to eat as they try to figure out how to reward Wray.
I’m not SD, but yeah Taq,
its a limited hangout.
Wray has learned a few things the past couple years
Soooooo now (10:51am CDT) the questioning of Wray continues but the Democrats have gone waaaayyyyyyyy off point of the attempt on DJT’s life. It’s become a “find fault with Trump” rally!
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Let them; they keep exposing themselves. What they fail to realize is that methodology only appeals to those Dems who were fine with voting for a corpse. They won’t win anyone else over with that talk but it’s not about that- it’s about sound bites and video clips to use for their campaign finance extortion efforts, i.e., fundraising.
It would be interesting in the case of any people appearing before Congress, to be able to somehow create a window whereby my Mama when I was say 8 or 9, could come in and question, without an arbitrary time limit.
Any of these guys would be bawling and ‘fessin up to everything within about 8 minutes.
Understand the whole thing is scripted.
THEY, specifically the Majority and minority chairpersons, work out ahead of time what the time limits per member will be, often 5 or 10 minutes.
If they truly were interested in “fact finding” or “getting to the bottom of it” (whatever “it” is!) they would have NO time limits.
Imagine an O.J. type murder trial, the prosecutor has the defendent on the witness stand, been questioning him for several minutes, and JUST when he gets to the point of nailing the defendant, the “Perry Mason moment”, the Judge says “Ah, your time has expired!”
No, they give each member just enough time to “shine” by getting fundraising soundbites, while reinforcing the false narrative that the two parties are in opposition and concealing the conplicity OF Congress, in whatever scandal they are allegedly investigating.
McConnell greenlighted this ‘hit’ just like he and R leadership greenlighted Crossfire Hurricane, and just like CH, Congress will now actively muddy up the water, to obscure the truth, and absolve themselves and everyone involved,..except of coarse the designated patsies, Crooks and Cheatem so far.
I believe the effort (by media and burocrats) is not to bury the story, but to reduce its importance and make it politically irrelevant.
True.
They can’t bury it but they can deflect and delay and dilute its importance until the next 9 day wonder comes along.
I think Wray is trying to tell some truth and show he is cooperating. If people don’t believe him and spend a bunch of time down the rabbit hole finding out what he said was true, they divert attention away from our governments mostly total failure.
Reverse psychology, tell us some truth, many will never believe it, and then they can ridicule the right wing conspiracy nuts. I think we all need to keep analyzing and asking questions but avoid some conclusions that have no solid basis.
Limited hang out.
Article: “Encrypted platforms relate to social media networks on suspects phone, Signal, Telegram, encrypted messaging apps”
I called that one! Back on July 19 I posted that I thought all the hubbub about those mysterious “encrypted offshore accounts” sounded like something nefarious but that simple smartphone apps could be described that way (using “scare words”), like a simple matchbook can be described with, “energetic material that can become combustible when subjected to heat or friction”.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/07/19/july-19th-2024-presidential-politics-resistance-day-1278/comment-page-5/#comment-10948712
Exactly!
Encrypted just means that the Government
can’t spy on you.😎😎
…boy oh boy do I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you.
Yeah, I always assumed any ‘apps’ that are marketed as being “secure from Govt. monitoring” are set up BY the Gov.
Why WOULDN’T you, as the Gov. set up such traps.
Its like sending bail jumpers notice they have won a prize, lol.
Most of them originate in government projects, so, you’d be correct, just like social media. Tor is one I know for a fact originated that way for the purpose of catching people. Best way is to devise your own code for communicating, wolverines. Government may be able to crack your code in enough time, but you don’t raise a red flag that you are trying to obscure your communications.
Only if the government can’t crack the encryption used. Most governments can crack most encryption.
Great point!
No way I am not going to watch
and pay attention to what is
happening in this investigation.
Our President Trump was almost
assassinated. 😡😡 That is a big
deal to me.
The Biden/Harris soap opera drama
is just a circus sideshow 🎪 🍿
Bishop was one of the members
of the hearing committee yesterday
and the questioning of Col Paris.
I believe he is one of the people who
went Butler and walked the scene,
asked questions and took pictures/videos.
It is going to more difficult than usual for
the Feds to spin a narrative this time.
Too many entities….FBI, ASS, State,Local,
combined with information from civilians
at the rally, Grassley anonymous whistleblowers….
And each entity…is a silo, which appears doesn’t
know exactly what the others know.
Lying should be a lot more difficult.
Good.😊
Except they don’t care. They know that we know that they know that we know they are lying. And why don’t they care? Just ask Garland how serious they are at holding people accountable. They can’t even hold Garland accountable for breaking the law…..when they have full authority to do so and others are in jail for the same exact crime.
Yes, silos. Silos to ensure the truth doesn’t see the light of day and their crimes are compartmentalized.
I don’t believe that the State and Local….
plus the Firefighters in PA that lost one
of their own, are going to play nice with
the Feds.
A lot of long time animosity.
The Feds come in…try to be big
shots and run the show.
Mess everything up, then try to
blame it on the State and Local.
I think that is the Wild Card this time.
State, Local and the Firefighters.
I agree but with the caveat that they are in PA. The same state that illegall changed their election laws in 2020 with no one stepping up or doing anything about it. These same law enforcement agencies could have done something. They didn’t.
It is a wild card; I just pray that it’s a wild card that gets played and not put back in the deck. I think some of the questions today are to provide those in alignment talking points.
You’ll know it’s getting close when the local law enforcement gets threatened if they talk to Congress without permission.
I heard that Chris Martenson video that was posted on here a few days ago, talking about the different sounds of fire.
For anyone who’s ever competed or military service will understand this…. The First 3 shots, had a cadence which is triggered control, the second 5 shots were sporadic, meaning no trigger control. I didn’t pick that up until that Martenson video.
First shots were muffled, second along with the counter sniper were airy.
Initially, I thought it might have come from the trees but now it’s quite possible the first shots came from the window directly below the patsy on the roof. Trajectory makes more sense, though PT’s ear continuing to the injured victim in the bleachers to PT’s left.
This makes the most sense to me also.
My immediate gut feeling when it happened, “inside job”.
Thus far, none of the other theories sit well with me. He was meant to be seen- yet nothing was done to intervene.
Too obvious.
And if there were shells- where were the markers used at crime scenes?? Lots of photos & video already came out- neither were visible.
And no, I won’t buy some image with those now photoshopped in!
Something is telling me that “We” are going to find out a second shooter has been captured, arrested or killed.
”Their” narratives are falling apart.
If there was a second shooter I guarantee that gun had a bag attached to catch the brass.
*Only I think the ear bullet was the one that ricocheted off the upper right railing, shrapnel striking the guy standing there on his side lower back.
#2 & #3… The guy further left of ^ was a direct shot, & Corey in the far upper left corner of the left bleachers.
The remaining 5 or so shots- a mystery where those went, or even in what direction.
Corey was to the right of PT, far middle right bleachers. I believe the sporadic fire is what killed him. Look at the aerial view, blood stain.
He knows that Trump has a high probability of regaining the presidency so he’s attempting to mitigate the years of his subterfuge by screwing his halo down for the show.
Nice try, Chris.
Where are the little hats/cones that are always used at shooting scenes? I have not seen the little hats/cones. In which case, the answer to how many shell casings would be, “How many shell casings do you want there to be?”
Also, I don’t have any particular knowledge or reasoning behind this, but did all the casings from Crooks’ gun remain on the roof? I saw an image which I believe showed no gutter on that roof. I didn’t see anything that would prevent a casing from rolling off the roof. OTOH, the “too steep” slope was so shallow and Crooks was so far from the edge that maybe no casings went off the roof. Minor unanswered questions which may not even apply.
But no cones or hats, that really bugs me. No one can verify the count and pattern.
Still doesn’t change the fact that the government decided to kill President Trump and allowed Crooks to take a free shot at him before they took him out.
Which is why no one, even Jordan touches on that aspect.
because most are in on it or looking the other way.
They’re genuinely afraid to touch it. Nobody wants to admit what our country has become.
Multiple fraudulent court cases, hundreds of millions, perhaps billions in fines and legal fees, hundreds of years of possible prison time, and baiting their patsies to attempt murder by calling Trump a “threat to democracy” and “[mustache man]”. We have J6 political prisoners rotting and dying in prison. And some sort of weird palace coup with Biden. Then there’s all the Antifa/BLM terrorism that went unpunished.
This would hardly be the first time the government and media – like dirty cops – looked the other way.
We need to steep back and wait till they reveal what the encrypted apps were. It is common to use these types of apps. Such as Telegram( I Have), Signal, Wire,etc. just because he used these doesn’t mean a lot. It’ what he used them for. My use is between family.
In my humble opinion, I thing wray is a creep.
When he starts his sentences with “so…” He is going to leave out important info he knows but does not want to divulge.
He did verify the info we have already heard. So the truth telling was easy.
In my mind, I believe the secret service agents tried to facilitate the murder of Donald J Trump. The powers that be located a willing idiot (how be it he was exceptionally intelligent), used him. Then waited for the instructions to take the shooter out. Dead man can’t talk.
I don’t think I will be changing my mind. Pretty sure secret service plotted to murder Trump.
One slight correction Gnanny: the Secret Service opened the doors and kept the doors open for a plot planned by those who visit Joe Biden at his Rehoboth (sp?) beach house; the one where no logs are kept but people come and go.
BHO and the goons he represents put into place, using the Patriot Act, full proof methods and procedures that allow them to commit their crimes all while limiting Congress’s oversight (yes, they willingly let it happen) authority.
These interchanges seem more forthright than I’m used to from that guy. But it’s very likely he will never have my trust. His offenses have been egregious.
It’s why you should ask: If you can’t comment on ongoing investigations, as claimed in every single previous testimony, then how can he comment here? I haven’t heard the question asked “Is the investigation ongoing?”
Wray not using that angle either means the investigation is closed but they (the Reps and Wray) need to keep that point quiet. Or it’s a BS excuse used previously to avoid answering questions; I think it’s a tool selectively used to provide proper cover up.
“Beware of voices who are saying we should not be paying attention.”
I’m just not going to watch it live and will instead wait for cuts that are worth watching like you’ve just provided.
Wray might be giving specific details
but the details are selective to build the narrative
info from the street is more credible
At least Wray was prepared for the hearing, unlike Cheatle. Cheatle probably spent more time choosing her outfits for the Aspen trip than she did preparing for a Congressional hearing. Don’t mistake my comment for proposing Wray is on our side, btw. I’m sure he’s not, and I hope Trump removes him in January.
Cheatle had a “I’m getting fired on Friday, f$$k you people” look on her face the whole time.
How much time do you think Wray spends on that pompador of his?
Wray clearly states this investigation this is compartmented, never says who controls which sector.. We will never receive whole facts/truths form a compartmentalized investigation … so this also tells there will definitely be some cover up happening..
This is likely a GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION. There are elements of a grand jury investigation that cannot be disclosed to the public under Rule 6e.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6
When did they convene the Grand Jury? Who convened it? And who did they subpoena?
It’s not a grand jury investigation.
I think he meant it COULD be a grand jury investigation. A citizen of PA was killed and 2 injured…PA can investigate… I don’t think they will but they can.
8 cartridges, no other suspects? Audio evidence proves that there are three different distances that rifles were fired at. He is committing perjury.
It’s tempting to listen to the internet guys doing what even they admit is amateur audio analysis.
What needs to happen is for independent, forensic, experts who are not US government employees, to be given all the raw audio files from the day. Put them in separate rooms and see if they produce the same analysis.
There needs to be a completely independent group of professional investigators independently reviewing the FBI and other collected evidence.
And their going-in charter is that ALL possibilities, including a conspiracy by the regime, are on the table.
This is the one that got me:
8 cartridges, no other suspects.
81 million voters, and 51 former intelligence officials think so.
The first series of shots (3) had the same echo profile likely coming from inside the building complex. The next series of shots (5) or (6) had a distinct echo profile consistent with shots fired from outside, where Crooks was located. This would mean two shooters, at least, fired at President Trump’s platform.
Don’t believe your lying ears! There was only one shooter! Case closed!
That sum it up?
One shooter, one SS sniper, and as reported somewhere, one local sniper who missed. If the local sniper story is true that explains the audio.
https://truthpress.com/news/fox-news-local-police-sniper-fired-and-missed-thomas-crooks-in-trump-assassination-attempt/
“This is under the purview of Secret Service”….”This is under the purview of the FBI”….”This is under the purview of the Inspector General”…”This is under the purview of the Special Investigation Panel”. This will be the Warren Commission 2.0!
no other suspects is a flat out lie from the start!
the whole SS is suspect top to bottom!
Signal and Telegram are widely used, especially by people who distrust WhatsApp now that Meta (Facebook) owns it. I switched to Signal to message with our closest friends. I also use Telegram because it has channels that cover the Ukraine war from the Russian side and I know not to trust our media. So, nothing very suspicious about Telegram or Signal.
“We recovered 8 cartridges” is not “Crooks fired 8 shots.” Wray chose his words carefully. I thought that word choice was interesting.
Also: no government officials are being subjected to criminal investigation. As per usual.”Mistakes were made” is the narrative.
Bishop said what a lot of people are thinking: this is the same FBI that lied about Hunter Biden’s laptop. The FBI also has a motive to eliminate Trump or to protect those who tried.
Bingo.
8 total, which is what I counted last week as total ‘shots’ fired.
He was careful about not using Crooks’ name when describing the shooter also, same with the drone.
I was watching it live and I KNEW it was gunshots. I counted 8 total shots in real time. I have no idea if more than one or more guns were used. I’ll leave that up to the audio experts..
Wray is waaaay too eager to provide detailed information which incriminates the”lone”shooter. Whatever happened to “can’t comment…official investigation”. Maybe someone should ask him again how many undercover FBI assets were on the Capitol grounds on January 6, while he’s being so chatty this morning.
Hah! How many undercover agents and CI’s were on scene in Butler?
Include in that the mystery woman who calmly filmed, while bullets were flying and everyone else was ducking.
Why hasn’t she “come forward” identified herself and tried to sell her video?
Was Cheatle the only Secret Service person called to the hearing? She provided no useful info. Are they going to invite her replacement? Are they going to invite the person who was in charge of the event security?
Why didn’t they keep Trump from going onto the stage? Why didn’t they kill Crooks when they saw him on the roof?
I figured the “encrypted” phone app narrative was what was just revealed.
The rest of it: ain’t buying it!
The drone could very well have been used by another shooter and then planted in Crooks’ car after use. I thought Crooks was spotted using a bicycle at the event. 👀
The explosive devices? One was ‘found’ at his home. But I thought recent reports stated the house was scrubbed clean before the event, to even include silverware??
Convenient how a bomb was at Crooks’ house after the so called clean and scrub to make the ones in his car to be more implicating for him.
But, they were useless if the receiver was not on, as Sundance has pointed out at least twice.
And, is there any fingerprints or DNA from Crooks on any of this? The government was pretty much caught thru implication and evidence planting grenades on J6 green beret, Jeremy Brown, previously. 👀
Cesar Sayoc comes to mind… Energetic combustible devices or some such drivel from Wray’s mouth.
I wonder if they looked like the bombs left by the DNC bomber? You know, look like DHS/FBI practice bombs, complete with white kitchen timers.
In Wray’s own words “as we proceed, facts evolve…”
Trump needs to stop public rallies./sarc
Pesky eyewitnesses and their damn videos.
That which is created to be used as a weapon against us – We The People – video/audio surveillance via our cell phones and “smart” devices; can be turned and used against THEM when we record their actions and deceit.
It’s why they are trying to remove cell phones from schools right now. No recordings of the debauchery.
Question : Media MUM since reports that Crook’s father called about his son’s activity before. What happened to all that. Any follow-ups? Apparently ‘they’ combed Crook’s house – obtained ‘things’. Are they set-up things (aka Mar a’ Lago planted documents) hence no details? What are these (specific id-items,not just general Why no follow ups on this when the media set the tone that it’s definitely Crook when the father ‘came forward/called’? Phone records? To who/organization/etc?
Where are the ‘things’ removed from the house? Where is the father now?
I think someone should just straight up ask him who he voted for.
No way this testimony is even close to the truth. In the photo of Crooks, the blood is drying. And it looks like he’s been shot in the back of his head–not the front. If a sniper was dead-on shooting from the front, by necessity the bullet would have pierced the front of his cranium. But it seems the shot was from the back and he had been left out in the sun for at least 30 minutes. And why is that photo in black and white? Color, would be more revealing.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/gunshot-re-enact-shows-bloodspray-head-pieces-absent/
I say, arrest Mayorkas and interrogate him for HOURS on end, until he breaks and tells the truth! After all, this was an actual attempt on a former President’s life, not disrupting a vote in the House after a sham election.
Also, there is this YouTube video from KAHEVA Universe that shows a man walking away, looking disappointed, after the attempted assassination. He looks like an FBI agent:
It seems the guy walking away, may have been Mayorkas. Congress should subpoena him to testify, under oath, before Congress. Then, if he doesn’t sing–do that interrogation. More from KAHEVA–
Wray planned it, orchestrated it, coordinated it, etc. The useless b$tch simply took the fall.
All these government officials are being given a platform as though they have acted in good faith. Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full.
Ask direct questions about their possible compromised situations.
Director Wray are you:
1. Being blackmailed?
2. Accepting bribes in the form of cash, gold, travel, housing, insider trading, etc.?
3. An accessory to murder?
4. An accessory to fraud?
5. An accessory to conspiracy to assassinate President Trump?
6. A foreign agent?
7. Do you understand “plausible deniability?”—if yes, then…
8. Are you using layers of subterfuge to obscure your culpability?
9. A member of World Economic Forum? Attended any WEF functions?
As a show of good faith to the American people, we demand you to submit to a polygraph right now.
A DS conspiracy is 100% thoroughly UNdeniable. Too bad most of the country (and world) will miss that truth completely.
Clearly the orgy of evidence is designed to provoke
Front stage incompetence
Back stage barely concealed corruption
One inch difference and we would be in Civil War, all of this Congressional stuff would be inciting a headless base
The US civil war would spread via online to Ireland, UK etc
The agencies will manage the decline into Global Civil War
Kamala and Biden will continue to lockdown and incite patriots, free shit for illegals and woke communists and gun confiscations and a national security lockdown
In the Fall when flu season comes the public schools will explode with a cocktail of pre civilization diseases as children from the peripherals of third world countries will give US children diseases not seen in the West for 500 years, maybe ever
The GOP would’ve been recaptured by deep state and Maga base headless
J6 false narrative would be been retroactively validated
We are below the threshold of global civil now but the timeline continues and Chris Wray throws us more orgy of evidence details to distract and consume attention while the replacement invasion continues
Also note how the GOP is being captured by Thiel Musk Silicon VAlley and India
One inch to global civil war
https://archieomichaels.substack.com/p/one-inch-to-global-civil-war
I read that the rifle had no scope on it. This seems very odd to me for an assassin to use iron sights for a hit.
There are several reports that say it did have a scope on it, and that Secret Service allegedly couldn’t see the rifle itself but could see the scope.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/sniper-killed-would-be-trump-assassin-one-million-shot-source
The Secret Service sniper who killed Crooks could only see Crooks’ gun scope and the top of his eye and forehead because the lip of the roof was blocking the sniper’s view.
There is so much disinformation circulating. I guess that we are being lied to as usual.
The biggest issue is that normal “fog of war” types of things that people in a High Trust society would understand – maybe the sniper saw a scope, maybe he didn’t, but he definitely saw a threat – are completely disbelieved in our Low Trust society.
The FBI – and the government in general – lies about everything. So, our starting point for all government statements is to just assume they are lying to us.
The collapse of the institutions of government is on full display. Congress is feckless. The FBI is not trustworthy. The media is treacherous and oddly incurious about the matter and is focused mainly on helping the government monitor citizens for Bad Think.
it’s as if we are in Russia right before the Marxist took over….it’s as if we are in teh same play but our outfits have red white and blue.
It is being done INTENTIONALLY.
It’s obvious!!!!
They lost control of the narrative the second PDJT moved his head.
So…. *these* are people keeping the United States and Americans safe!?!?
Unbelievable.
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.
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“*Sh#t!!!*”
why not shoot at gun and ruin aim
Because if it’s a guy holding a scope by itself with no rifle he’s not a deadly threat and they couldn’t justify a kill shot to take him out. Theoretically could’ve been someone just trying to see Trump better with a handheld telescope.
You want to be the one who kills a kid on a roof who made a stupid mistake?
No, if you take a rifle scope up on a roof to watch the president, you have forfeited your life.
How about binoculars? You going to take them out too? Or a rolled up magazine? It’s not an easy call and if you kill an innocent person it won’t be easy on your conscience especially if everyone is reminding you of that fact. More than one person has been driven to take their own lives for that and less.
It is their job to kill bad guys but sorting them out from from the everyday curious or stupid person is where the difficulty comes in.
Was it worth warning Trump this could be a serious concern?
Apparently not.
NO scope as you can see in the cop’s HD body cam video I posted early today made ON the roof about one hour after the attempt with everything untouched. It looks like it has accessory iron sights mounted where optics would normally go which may have range and windage adjustments for the rear peep sight.
Drone info – meh – other that it sounds like he flew over the AGR Building area and the area where he was on the ground. Google Earth images from overhead aren’t particularly good.
Explosive devices in the van weren’t powered, so they couldn’t have been remotely detonated.
BTW, from Dan Bongino to dispel all of the second shooter baloney, there WAS a second shooter – a POLICE counter-sniper who Dan said missed. The SS counter-snipers who got him were NOT the ones on the videos shown. It was another SS team much farther away who took the impressive shot with a tree in their line of sight.
LOTS of blood in that body cam video running all the way down the roof to the edge. That’s what the hosing was all about. Seems Crooks’ heart was pumping for a while after he was shot in the head.
I’m sorry I like Dan but he’s compromised here. He’s too close to the SS. Someone inside could easily tell him what is needed because the know his audience trusts him and he trusts his boys back in the SS.
Not saying he’s not right; I’m saying they can play him to their advantage due to an over abundance of trust by Bongino for the guys on the ground who feed him info. It’s not his SS anymore and he sometimes seems to forget that part.
Especially with this event, his sources have made him days to a week ahead of what is eventually confirmed, so he’s been batting 1000 thus far. As a matter of fact, he personally KNOWS the SS special agent asking the questions in that rooftop body cam video, but he didn’t name him for obvious reason.
The red bearded witness interviewed by BBC reporter soon after the shtf said he saw the guy going on the roof with a rifle with a scope, slung over his shoulder. Think he said he was only a couple hundred feet away from the shooter….watched him “bearcrawl” over the roof.
In the Grassley video posted yesterday the LEO officer points out the gun to the guy in the suit asking questions and the camera pans to it. If there is a scope it is immediately above the handle/trigger area. I do not shoot so do not know.
Saw the Grassley video. Am not an expert but from what I could see the optic looked like an EOTEC Holographic sight or something similar. Again, saw it on the video for a few seconds and at a distance.
NO, the obvious, large accessory front sight is associated with a too-short to be optics block on the receiver which may be a “fancy” rear peep sight with range and windage adjustments. Also, I’m pretty sure it was Bongino who said he was using iron sights. Looks to me like his dad who owned the rifle wanted to be a true MARKSMAN.
Expect you’re right. As I said, I saw the rifle in the video footage for a few seconds and the rifle was not very close to the camera.
Another point I should have made – you better have iron sights if you’re an TEOTWAWKI survivalist because it will eventually become difficult to find cells for your illuminated dot rifle scope and glass scopes can break. Maybe Crooks’ dad is one considering how many guns he’s supposed to own.
I saw a fairly poor photo of the rifle laying on the roof after the shooting, and it looked like it was equipped with an unmagnified red dot sight.
I also thought it was a red dot scope which is quick to sight in on a short range target and accurate up to 150-200 maximum yards with no magnifier. JMO
I use red dot, and given the size of target from that distance, it would have been very hard to see the target. Using a magnifier would have been better, especially given his bad eyesight
Last week everyone was saying a Red Dot sight. Has that changed? Not a scope with magnification but an aiming device.
I believe he had a 1x reddot on the rifle. No magnification. The “dot” probably covered Trump’s head. It really was a good shot. If Trump hadn’t turned his head, by the power of God, it would have been bad.
Wray said today that a scope was recovered.
Attached to the gun or in his pocket?
It is definitely odd. However, all will be resolved , if ever, when the FBI recovers bullets downrange and matches them ballistically to the rifle. The recovered cartridges are proof of nothing. They could have been placed there from an earlier practice session. 135 yards with iron sights is definitely doable but for a pipsqueak dufus it does stretch credulity.
If he was serious about accuracy he would have used an LPVO (low power variable optic). Maybe 6x-10x.
Just from some of the enhanced images I’ve worked on it looks like a reflex or holographic sight. AKA “red dot”. My first thought was an EoTech, but those are too expensive for the Wind Up Toy(TM) and his junky 15 year old rifle he used. Brandon Herrera at UTube must have come to the same conclusion because he used a 20″ AR with a red dot to recreate the ear shot damage.
The center dots on those cheap red dots are usually as large as the image of Trumps head at 100 yards. A red dot is not what you use for that job. An ACOG is different, but if you don’t know what that is don’t waste the research time finding out.
Not your basic accuracy shooter, like I’ve said before.
He was looking to die with a 300 WIN MAG and didn’t care what he hit. His first shot was hit legacy shot; His final shots were “spray and pray”
I won’t bet on anything that comes out of this enhanced image. It just looks like a optical device forward of the castle nut on the rear of the receiver. TMZ also has a watermark running through that area of the image. Golly, how nice…