What follows is the #1 requested information by those who nervously anticipate the arrival of their first Hurricane experience.
As many long-time readers will know, we do have a little bit more than average experience dealing with the aftermath of hurricanes. I ain’t no expert in the before part; you need to heed the local, very local, professionals who will guide you through any preparation, and neighborhood specific guidelines, for your immediate area.
But when it comes to the ‘after part’, well, as a long-time CERT recovery member perhaps I can guide you through the expectation and you might find some value. Consider this little word salad a buffet, absorb what might be of value pass over anything else.
A category 3+ storm can erase structures, buildings and familiar landscape. Idalia is expected to be similar in forward speed to Hurricane Charley which impacted the SW coast of Florida in 2004, but the storm itself will be bigger, wider and carry a larger eyewall. Some moderate coastal topography will likely change in the 60-mile-wide area of immediate impact/landfall.
Some infrastructure failure should be anticipated, and it will take weeks for restoration. The coastal communities are the most vulnerable; however, the inland impact of this specific storm will be much more significant as the large storm continues unimpeded until the entire eye-wall crosses onto land.
That means communities inland all the way to Georgia and South Carolina could feel hurricane force winds, possibly for several hours. That scale of sustained wind energy will snap power poles and reinforced concrete.
As the backside of the storm then reverses the energy direction, any already compromised structures may not withstand the additional pressure. In many cases the backside of the storm is worse than the front. If you are inland, prepare yourself for a long duration of extensive wind damage followed by an extended power outage.
For those who are in the path of the storm, there comes a time when all options are removed, and you enter the “Hunkering Down” phase. You’re just about there now.
Fortunately, just like Charley, this particular hurricane will move fast and that might mitigate some of the coastal storm surge (only one part of one tidal cycle). However, in totality from impact through recovery this is going to be a long-duration event.
When the sustained winds reach around 45mph most emergency services stop. This makes things a heck of a lot safer in the aftermath; and much easier and safer during the rebuild.
♦ Hurricanes can be frightening; downright scary. There’s nothing quite like going through a few to reset your outlook on just how Mother Nature can deliver a cleansing cycle to an entire geographic region.
The sounds are scary. Try to stay calm despite the nervousness. Telephone and power poles, yes, even the concrete ones, can, and likely will, snap like toothpicks. Trees will bend and break. When the roof shingles are peeling off, it sounds like horses running across your roof. The sounds are dramatic.
There’s a specific sound when you are inside a hurricane that you can never forget. It ain’t a howl, it’s a roar. It is very unique sound in depth and weight. Yes, within a hurricane wind has weight. Stay clear of windows and doors, and within an interior room of the house or apartment if possible. That scary roar sounds like it won’t ever quit…. it will… eventually; but at the time you are hunkering down, it doesn’t seem like it will ever end.
A hurricane wind is a constant and pure rage of wind that doesn’t ebb and flow like normal wind and storms. Hurricane wind is heavy, it starts, builds and stays; sometimes for hours. Relentless, it just won’t let up. The constant rage is fueled by simultaneous surges inside it. Just like the water that fuels her, Idalia will deliver a rage of wind energy that has surges within the relentless force.
And then, suddenly, depending on Idalia’s irrelevant opinion toward your insignificant presence, it will stop. Judging by the forward speed the hurricane force wind will likely last around 2 to 3 hours before it stops.
Then silence. No birds. No frogs. No crickets. No sound.
Nature goes mute. It’s weird.
We have no idea how much ambient noise is around us, until it stops.
Due to the speed of the storm, there will be convoys coming to construct a pre-planned electricity grid recovery process even before nightfall tomorrow.
Convoys from every city, town and state from the east-coast to the mid-west. A glorious melding of dirty fingernails all arriving for the meet-up.
Depending on your proximity to the bigger picture objectives at hand, you will cherish their arrival.
But first, there will be an assessment.
The convoys will stage at pre-determined locations using radios for communication. Most cell phone services will likely be knocked out. Recovery teams will begin a street-by-street review; everything needs to be evaluated prior to thinking about beginning to rebuild a grid. Your patience within this process is needed; heck, it ain’t like you’ve got a choice in the matter…. so just stay positive.
Meanwhile, you might walk outside and find yourself a stranger in your neighborhood.
It will all be cattywampus.
Trees gone, signs gone, crap everywhere, if you don’t need to travel, DON’T.
I mean CRAP e.v.e.r.y.w.h.e.r.e.
Stay away from power-lines.
Try to stay within your immediate neighborhood for the first 36-48 hours. Keep the roadways and main arteries clear for recovery workers, power companies and fuel trucks.

Be entirely prepared to be lost in your own neighborhood and town for days, weeks, and even months. Unknown to you – your subconscious mind is like a human GPS mapping system. When that raging Idalia takes away the subconscious landmarks I guarantee you – you are gonna get lost, make wrong turns, miss the exit etc.
It’s kinda funny and weird at the same time.
Your brain is wired to turn left at the big oak next to the Church, and the road to your house is likely two streets past the 7-11 or Circle-k. You don’t even notice that’s how you travel around town; that’s just your brain working – it is what it is.
Well, now the big oak is gone; so too is the Circle-K and 7-11 signs. Like I said, everything is cattywampus. Your brain-memory will need to reboot and rewire. In the interim, you’re gonna get lost… don’t get frustrated.
No street signs. Likely no stop signs. No traffic lights.
Remember, when it is safe to drive, every single intersection must be treated like a four-way stop…. and YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION. Even the major intersections.
You’ll need to override your brain tendency to use memory in transit. You’ll need to pay close attention and watch for those who ain’t paying close attention. Travel sparingly, it’s just safer.
Check on your-self first, then your neighbors. It don’t matter if you’ve never said a word to the guy in the blue house before. It ain’t normalville now.
Break out of your box and check on the blue house down the street too. In the aftermath, there’s no class structure. Without power, the big fancy house on the corner with a pool is just a bigger mess. Everyone is equally a mess.
The first responders in your neighborhood are YOU.
You, the wife, your family, Mrs. Wilson next door; Joe down the street; Bob’s twin boys and the gal with the red car are all in this together. If you don’t ordinarily cotton to toxic masculinity, you will worship it in the aftermath of a hurricane. Git-r-done lives there.
Don’t stand around griping with a 40′ tree blocking the main road to your neighborhood. Figure out who’s got chainsaws, who knows how to correctly use them, and set about safely clearing the road. If every neighborhood starts clearing their own roadways, the recovery crews can then move in for the details.
Stage one focuses on major arteries… then secondary… then neighborhood etc. It’s a process. Oh, and don’t get mad if your fancy mailbox is ploughed-over by a focused front end loader who is on a priority mission to clear a path. Just deal with it. Those same front-end loaders will also be removing feet of sand from coastal roads. Don’t go sightseeing… stay in your neighborhood.
For the first 36-48 hours, please try to stay close to home, in your neighborhood. Another reason to stay close to home is the sketchy people who can sometimes surface, looters etc. Staying close to home and having contact with your neighbors is just reasonable and safer.
Phase-1 recovery is necessarily, well, scruffy…. we’re just moving and managing the mess; not trying to clean it up yet. It’ll be ok. There are going to be roofing nails everywhere, and you will likely get multiple flat tires in the weeks after the hurricane.
After this storm half of the people living near the impact zone are going to fit into two categories, two types of people: (1) those with a new roof; or (2) those with a blue roof (tarp).
Keep a joyous heart filled with thankfulness; and if you can’t muster it, then just pretend. Don’t be a jerk. You will be surrounded by jerks…. elevate yourself. If you need to do a few minutes of cussing, take a walk. Keep your wits about you and stay calm.
Now, when the recovery teams arrive…. If you are on the road and there’s a convoy of utility trucks on the road, pull over. Treat power trucks and tanker trucks like ambulances and emergency vehicles. Pull over, give them a clear road and let them pass.
When everyone gets to work, if you see a lineman, pole-digger or crew say thanks. Just simple “thanks”. Wave at them and give them a thumbs-up. No need to get unnecessarily familiar, a simple: “thank you for your help” will suffice. You know, ordinary people skills. The stuff that was common before the internet.
Many of these smaller crews will be sleeping in cots, or in their trucks while they are working never-ending shifts. Some will be staging at evacuation shelters, likely schools and such. The need to shelter people and recovery crews might also delay the re-opening of schools.
Once you eventually start getting power back, if you see a crew in a restaurant, same thing applies… “thanks guys”. If you can pay their tab, do it. If you can pay their tab without them knowing, even better.
Same goes for the tanker truckers. The convenience stores with gas pumps are part of the priority network. Those will get power before other locales without power. Fuel outlets are a priority. Fuel is the lifeblood of recovery. Hospitals, first responders, emergency facilities, fuel outlets, then comes commercial and residential.
Remember, this is important – YOU are the first responder for your neighborhood. Don’t quit. Recovery is a process. Depending on the scale of the impact zone, the process can take days, weeks and even months.
Take care of your family first; then friends and neighborhood, and generally make a conscious decision to be a part of any needed solution.
Pray together and be strong together. It might sound goofy to some, but don’t be bashful about being openly thankful in prayer.
It will be ok.
It might be a massive pain in the a**, but in the end, it’ll be ok.
√Andrew
√Jeanne
√Frances
√Ivan
√Charley
√Irma
√Michael
√Ian
Keep a good thought. Who knows, we might even end up shaking hands.
It’ll be OK. I Promise.
Love to all,
Sundance
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¹Footnote – If you know any good deals on window A/C units in Florida, drop me an email (or comment). I gave away all that we had during Ian, and I would like to purchase some new ones for people who will need.


Wisdom, borne of experience, is the best kind of all.
You’ve got it in spades, Sundance.
Thank You Sundance, for all of this critical info. You have quite obviously “been there, done that, & wear the T-shirt”.
I lived in Panama City before, during and after Michael. I bought the t-shirt and (5 years later) I have never worn it. Everything Sundance says about hurricanes is dead-on. I guarantee you, it will change your life.
And I predict the Cajun Navy will Roll
They’re on the way.
AND DON’T ASK ” What’s in the Gumbo ? ” when They Cook For Ya.
( That’s PART of the Fun ! )
Along with Samaritan’s Purse.
Leaving tonight with the rest of my utility line crews to stage in Georgia.
Godspeed Sundance. See you on the other side.
GOOD SPEED and BLESSINGS TO YOU and The OTHER LINEMEN
( and Gals – AS IF we Need to Say THAT ! )
BE SAFE.
Our prayers are with you and all in harms way. May God’s grace be with you guys.
Just donated to this most worthy cause.
Thanks to you and your buddies
Thank you.
God Bless the Boys who restore the Power.
And God bless buckets full of toxic masculinity!!!
❣️❣️❣️
And the folks who work on the road, too!
Thank you and good luck.
You are a blessing, Sundance; I hope you know that. Stay strong, stay safe, and know lots of us are praying for you, and all in the storm’s path. God bless.
Prayers for all those in the path of this storm–you truly have the purest servants heart.
This is America. We got this. Thank you to all the dirty fingernails out there.
Dear Father in Heaven, We sigh. We groan. We ache for our good friends in Florida. Guide and protect them from all harm and danger. Let your holy angels be with them so that the wicked foe may have no power over them. Let everyone dwell in the shelter of the Lord in their hearts and minds and spirts and hold them all up in eagles wings. For Jesus’ sake, Amen.
My heartfelt prayers to everyone who is in the path of this hurricane. American resilience and our grassroots care for our fellow countrymen and women is the greatest in ALL THE WORLD. May our Father keep watch and bring everyone through safely.
Another outstanding message and advice. “Keep a joyous heart filled with thankfulness; and if you can’t muster it, then just pretend.” So important. Thank you, SD.
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We are with you Sundance, praying for your safety as you help so many in need. God bless your family.
—Ryn
Great post, you have done it all on this front. We are about done battening down for the wait. It seems as though going north of us but not much info on size of wind field yet. Ready for what you got! We didn’t get that window AC we may have missed it bad
We love you SD. Prayers will continue for you, yours and all in the hurricane zone.
Prayers for discernment and that God sends all the courage & help that is needed. Be safe and well. You’re a good, good man!
I had the experience of riding out a Florida hurricane once in September 1975. Hurricane Eloise. I was Tdy to Tyndal AFB for a world-wide rifle/pistol match. The base was evacuated except for us. We were to stay, ride out the storm and guard the installation, or what was left of it.
That was quite an experience.
For a man whom we’ve come to know is always right on everything, I pray with all my heart that this time you will be proven wrong, Sundance.
Almighty God, Who commands the winds to cease and the seas to be calm, we pray for Your divine intervention. That those in harm’s way will come through the storm safely. That in Your great mercies people in the way of this unpredictable storm will emerge whole and well. And that aid which will come from good people everywhere will arrive quickly and unimpeded so that life can return to normality as soon as is possible. I do ask this in your Holy name and in the name of Christ Jesus, your beloved Son, our protector, mediator, and advocate, our Lord and Saviour. Amen🙏🏻
Amen! Beautifully stated Betsy!
We are in Jacksonville and praying for all🙏
My son was stationed there, mouse. He met his wife there, and they still have dear friends who are in the direct line of Idalia.
God keep you safe, my friend, and all who are waiting for whatever comes.
(I hadn’t seen you in so long. Is it a coincidence that I should do so today as I was thinking of you only last night?? No…I don’t think so…🙏🏻💕)
Aww Betsy, how nice of you to think of me!
You are such a wonderful soul 🙏❤️
We move here less than 2 years ago to support my son & family as he is also stationed at JAX! What a coinkydink!
I don’t believe in coinkydinks…just so you know😉🌷 God bless him, mouse, for his patriotism and service. Y’all hunker down and stay safe!
Betsy,
In SW PA we called them G odincidences.
Please stay safe everyone.
MLS
Smiling here, MLS…because it’s perfect…and true💕
Thank you Betsy!
God Bless!
Hi Betsy,
You are of course correct Betsy about coincidence: some I know refer to those happenins as “God Winks”. I do love that explanation!
Following up: By His Grace Jacksonville fared very well. Some rain and winds but nothing like what so many other areas were hit with🙏
Thank you kindly for your kind words re: my
son who is serving and of course right back at your own son as well.
They are a special breed, those who serve.
God bless!
Yes Yes Amen.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Bet, joining you in your prayer, amen!
Yes sir, dear friend. Amen!
Amen
✝️
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🕊
Amen.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🕊
Love to you, Sundance.
Stay safe.
My parents were in a hurricane and they said it sounded like a super load freight train.
I live in the bullseye. Hoping we all make it through this. Signing off for now and God bless all in this path.
See you on the other side.
Good luck.
Good luck!
Godspeed!🙏🏻♥️
May God bless &protect you and all in the bullseye Sobriquet.
Stay safe, and sane as best you all can.
I will be looking forward to your update when storm is passed.
See you on the rebound!
So much to love about this but my favorite is:
“You, the wife, your family, Mrs. Wilson next door; Joe down the street; Bob’s twin boys and the gal with the red car are all in this together. If you don’t ordinarily cotton to toxic masculinity, you will worship it in the aftermath of a hurricane. Git-r-done lives there.“
As someone who deals professionally with significant safety issues, may I add my own emphasis to this advice from SD:
Please stay away from all power lines.
Go in good health and faith
Oh! If only Southern Californian’s would have heeded your hurricane survival advice, Sundance, there would have been less property and loss of life during Himacane Hilary.
Living on the East End of Long Island, I can affirm the accuracy of Sundance’s guidance….and beg anyone on their first hurricane watch to heed the warnings of local government…they know what they’re doing. Having been involved in a local government mobilization pre-Irene the most sobering thing I heard in preplan meetings was to advise those on the barrier beach who refused to evacuate to take a Sharpie and write their name and date of birth on their wrist so as to enable authorities to identify their remains should the unthinkable occur.
In this case, karma isn’t going to laugh at you, she’ll just sweep you away in the storm surge.
BRAVO . I in the NorthEast am watching and praying for the good people in Idalia’s path.
I’m on Sanibel Island right now living in a friends home since our home was destroyed last year with Ian”’I was here during Ian and it’s not pretty, it’s incredibly difficult and humbling all at the same time…..It’s currently a ‘White Out’ with rain and blowing wind about 30-40 mph……Sundance is correct…Do not panic, stay calm and be helpful where and when you can…..Do not be a ‘Karen’ under any circumstance…..
Blessings & prayers Jim, stay safe!
STay safe. Prayers with you.
Living Stones Battalion – Fall In!!!!!
Altars Of Sacrifice – Dress Right Dress!!!
If this storm is like Charley the damage will be more from the tornadoes it spawns than from the hurricane itself.
The good news is that damage will be very localized.
In my opinion anyone in the red surge area should leave. 10+ feet of moving water will mow down everything in it’s path. All those trees will become floating battering rams. 10+ feet of water and 3+ winds will cause enormous damage. It’s a relatively sparsely populated area but there’s still tens of thousands of people there, I hope they have the sense to leave.
If you do drive at night be extremely careful. Those traffic lights are much larger than you realize and will be hanging down in the dark at face height. Just stay off the road especially at night.
Dig in, Sundance. Hold until relieved.
10s of thousands of people in vehicles will be hitting the road to escape inland. I wonder how many will be Tesla’s towing generators.
Livetream Begins at 3:3o PM. They provide good info on
current conditions, and even tornado warnings before and
during, plus other significant situations…
‘LIVE – Hurricane Idalia Coverage With Storm Chasers On The Ground – Live Weather Channel…’
Semper Vivium
Isabel Category 5 (2003) took our out power for 9 days. We were 100 miles inland from land fall.
When the power guys finally restored our power, my wife ran out and hugged the first lineman she saw! lol!
Thank you Sundance for all your wisdom and advice. Sitting here in SE Georgia waiting. All preps that can be made have been. My son is a lineman who has spent the last 4 yrs on hurricane repair. 2 weeks just last year in Ft. Myers. This time he will be home working to clean up and get power back on. But ready to go when the next one comes to our neighbors. He posted a little while ago that if you lose power and use a generator to be sure to shut your main breaker off so you don’t backfeed power down the line. A lineman’s life can be saved by doing something so simple. God bless all treepers in the path of this storm. Use common sense and hold on. Help those you can after it’s gone. And don’t forget to be thankful too.
I always take the time to inform people that about portable generators backfeeding if it’s not shut down as soon as the power comes back on. I’m surrounded by dummies who didn’t know this until I told them. I had to work at not being a jerk about it. I think they shouldn’t own something when they don’t know the dangers of it.
This is the very reason I have a standby generator. It does the work for me.
Better yet see if your utility will sell you a Generlink, a very safe way to go se a generator.
Thank you, Sundance. Excellent and thoughtful advice.
Some MSM info and pix:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article278730029.html
Thank you for all of your common sense and wisdom – I have several friends that moved to Florida in the last year so this is going to be a big wake-up call for a couple of them! Hopefully they are all set for the hunker down phase and well prepared for the aftermath but reading about it vs living it are two very different things! Stay safe please, Sundance – we need you!!
PS – thank you for using the word “cattywampus”! It was one of my late father’s favorite words and always makes me smile!
Thanks Sundance! We won’t be meeting this go-round. Hopefully not the next either. But it’s good to know folks like you are out there in support of others. God Bless You and Yours!
Grew up on the gulf coast. Been through a few.
One was bad.
I just want to add, have a first aid book at hand.
If you don’t have one, try to print off a few things before you loose electricity.
Know how to apply a tourniquet. It saved my sisters life.
Do not assume anything. Things change, fast.
If you have children, think twice about staying.
If you go outside during the eye, don’t be caught off guard when it comes back through.
It can hit fast. The blowing debris can mess you up.
You can never have too much water.
Sundance knows what he is talking about.
Make sure you have what he recommends.
God bless y’all.
I will be praying for the Floridians dealing with this mess. 🙏
Good thing you don’t live in hawaii where they block off roads where you burn alive in your car or wait for rescue where none comes.
Then you get insulted from a devil from dc.
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That really isn’t helpful.
It’s also important not to cry wolf. Send folks scrambling then nothing comes of the storm. Always in the warnings should be a reminder it could all be for an error on the side of caution. I braced for nothing far more times than i was actually effected by the storms. Snowbirds will think the storms are all hype after a few repetitions of scramble for nothing and then a real one comes through when the guard is down. These storms can often be extremely hard to predict. Good luck finding your happy balance living among them. 😉
Snowbirds nor students on spring break are in Florida right now.
If I was I would head to family in NC.
Me too, I would pack up the family along with the insurance papers and take a vacation. Gauge the outcome from a comfortable, mainland, working utilities hotel room. I’d stay until I could get confermation on my properties condition. Then buy supplies appropriate for the outcome of the storm be that a travel trailer to live in or as simple as extra groceries. I lived most of my life in the Keys. My comfort spot was lots of insurance and lots of vacations 😉
Thanks for your wisdom, Sundance. Bless you. Stay safe.
Thank you for all that you do SD. I have never been through a hurricane, but I still feel better prepared with your guidance. Take good care.
“There’s a specific sound when you are inside a hurricane that you can never forget. It ain’t a howl, it’s a roar. It is very unique sound in depth and weight. Yes, within a hurricane wind has weight. Stay clear of windows and doors, and within an interior room of the house or apartment if possible. That scary roar sounds like it won’t ever quit…. it will… eventually; but at the time you are hunkering down, it doesn’t seem like it will ever end.”
I was hunkered down in my living room behind my sofa with my children during Ivan. I will never forget that sound.
Nor will I forget putting up my hummingbird feeder after and having a hive of birds there within minutes.
Nor the taste of grilled blueberry cobbler.
Or seeing the convoy of power trucks coming in from Georgia.
Or the looks on my childrens’ faces as they discovered yet something else that depends on electricity to run.
It is a humbling and gratitude building exercise.
A bunch of electric trucks were in the Grocery store parking lot earlier today. Travelling to Florida from a small town north of Baton Rouge. Your words are appreciated Sundance. Everyone in Florida and Georgia might want to print the list and recommendation’s. That way your reader can review them once again in the days ahead. As well share the information with family and neighbors. When everyone is sitting on patio the days and weeks from now because the air is off.
God Bless those who will feel the effects of the hurricane.
God Bless those who will help put it back together -in all different aspects.
Thank you- Sundance -for all your sage advice.
YOU ARE A GOOD MAN SUNDANCE!!! 🙏
Somewhere over the rainbow
skies are blue.
Peace and well being to you and yours.
Love the named storm check list.
That’s what you do afterwards.
Personal achievement awards.
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Got the first heavy outflow rain band around 3:00p and a brief wind burst.
Lot’s of water in this storm. They’re all different. Looks like more rain in the bands than Ian/Irma.
All in the path of this hurricane: you are in my prayers and thoughts.
Sundance you are a national treasure. 🙏🏻♥️
Last night seas in the Gulf hit 52 feet.
Storm surge has been upgraded to 10-15 feet.
If you are in the projected impact area, get the hell out.
Sundance: You touch me so deeply. You write from your soul.
Guys and Gals … this is why I love donating to Sundance and CTH as much as I can. I always know Sundance will spend it in very giving and Godly ways👇
“¹Footnote – If you know any good deals on window A/C units in Florida, drop me an email (or comment). I gave away all that we had during Ian, and I would like to purchase some new ones for people who will need.”
God bless you, Sundance. I will miss you as you venture out once again to help as many Floridians as you can.
And I would LOVE to shake your hand!
Compared between HomeDepot and WallyMart and
WalMart had the most deals. Many many portable A/C’s
with good prices compared to what they usually
go for, in the 2 to 3 hundred bucks.
Then regarding small window units ( 5,000 BTU’s ),
they average between 150 to 180 bucks per unit
Heads Up – A few weeks ago, heard of a company which
manufactures Split Units A/C’s in Doral, Florida, which from
my recollection, go for about 250 bucks or so for like 12,000 BTU’s!!!
Will Governor Rhonda be able to make time in his campaign schedule to serve Floridians during this potential disaster?
He’s been on the weather channel all day today making speeches from Florida.
Eye wall still trying to form.
Looks like a bit of wobble in the past two hours, which is normal.
Pretty much looks like the spaghetti models are on target (right now).
Wind down here in SWFL will steadily increase to tomorrow around 1 pm then drop off. That’s when the grid will probably be impacted. So, get your high wattage stuff done tonight. Wash, baking bread, cooking, etc.
what about gadsoine is it tained as some said resterday?
Well, that will teach me to look at what I write. What about the gasoline, is it tainted, as some said yesterday?
Florida Gas Stations Receive Contaminated Fuel Right Before Hurricane Idalia Makes Landfall https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/florida-gas-stations-receive-contaminated-fuel-right-before/