This investigation seems to have taken a long time to reach a decision on indictment. Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, was shot by actor Alec Baldwin in New Mexico on October 21st, 2021.
According to media reports today, Mr. Baldwin is going to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
(USA Today) – Alec Baldwin will be charged in the 2021 shooting death of a cinematographer during a rehearsal on the New Mexico set of his Western movie “Rust,” the Santa Fe district attorney announced Thursday.
Baldwin, 64, who was holding the gun at the time it fired, and “Rust” armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed will each be charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter, Santa Fe District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies and Special Prosecutor Andrea Reeb said in a news release.
Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, died shortly after being wounded by a gunshot while setting up a scene at a ranch on the outskirts of Santa Fe on Oct. 21, 2021. Baldwin was pointing a prop pistol at Hutchins when the gun went off, killing her and wounding the film’s director, Joel Souza.
Assistant director David Halls, who handed Baldwin the gun that day, signed a plea deal for the charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon, according to the DA’s office. He has a suspended sentence and six months probation.
No charges will be filed in the shooting of Souza.
Gutierrez-Reed’s attorneys Jason Bowles and Todd J. Bullion said in a statement provided to USA TODAY, “Hannah is, and has always been, very emotional and sad about this tragic accident. But she did not commit involuntary manslaughter.
[…] In announcing the charges, Carmack-Altwies said, “After a thorough review of the evidence and the laws of the state of New Mexico, I have determined that there is sufficient evidence to file criminal charges against Alec Baldwin and other members of the ‘Rust’ film crew. On my watch, no one is above the law, and everyone deserves justice.”
Andrea Reeb, special prosecutor appointed by the DA to the case, added: “If any one of these three people – Alec Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed or David Halls – had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive today. It’s that simple.
“The evidence clearly shows a pattern of criminal disregard for safety on the ‘Rust’ film set. In New Mexico, there is no room for film sets that don’t take our state’s commitment to gun safety and public safety seriously,” Reeb added.
Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza, who led the initial investigation into Hutchins’ death, described “a degree of neglect” on the film set. But he left decisions about potential criminal charges to prosecutors after delivering the results of a yearlong investigation in October. That report did not specify how live ammunition wound up on the film set. (read more)
“and “Rust” armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed will each be charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter”
Not sure how, but I see this as a way for Baldwin to get away with a lesser charge, or not guilty.
He and his enablers have been trying from the start to blame the armorer.
I wanna see results of investigation into who was doing “target practice” with live ammo on the set / location (plinking cans and bottles?)
WHO was target shooting?
With WHAT guns?’
WHO allowed live ammo on the set / location?
Conversely, WHO did not shut it down immediately on hearing shots?
That situation places ALL producers on location responsible
AND the armorer
Yup. The armorer, or weapons master, is responsible and as soon as it became known that there was live ammo within 5 miles of the set there should have been an immediate stand-down of the production for remedial action and retraining. She was obviously not qualified and hired for reasons other than weapons expertise. Baldwin’s culpability is as producer and, presumably, the responsible party for the hiring.
Yes, but she was a liberal dipshit and, as such, is entitled to several layers of extra legal protections.
Indubitably.
They didn’t actually have an armorer due to a strike going on. They got someone that wanted to work in their stead as I understand it. Ultimately Alec is on the hook for allowing amateurs to handle and safety check their guns on set. Nevermind that the SOP for handling weapons on set to begin with is for all persons involved to safety check the weapon or weapons in question to make sure that they are indeed unloaded or loaded with blanks.
What most suspected is Alec likely inadvertantly had his finger on the trigger when he was rehearsing a scene, drew the pistol, had cocked the hammer and accidentally pulled the trigger, and it happened to be loaded. Ultimately he is responsible for not checking his pistol and for allowing unqualified people to handle said weapons to ensure they were safe to use.
Obviously, HE is one of those ‘unqualified’.
First rule of weapons, don’t point it at people unless you intend to shoot them! There’s more here than they’re letting on!
They didn’t actually have an armorer due to a strike going on. They got someone that wanted to work in their stead as I understand it.
I read – long ago – that her uncle or other close relative had been an armorer and she coat-tailed into the business on his name and history
little more than an armorer-in-training
although it’s unclear whether their was actual training and supervision
New York Post article has some good details:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/behind-the-scenes-troubles-of-alec-baldwin-rust-shooting/
Dangerous games
Meanwhile, on set, some crew members allegedly killed time by taking target practice at beer cans with a prop gun that contained live rounds — a pastime known as “plinking.”
According to The Wrap, one source on set claimed that when authorities arrived to investigate the fatal shooting, they found both live ammo and blank rounds stored in the area where the plinking had taken place.
Preparing for a scene, Baldwin had been working on his gun-drawing skills when the prop pistol discharged a real bullet — hitting director Joel Souza in the shoulder and Hutchins in the chest. An ambulance rushed Hutchins, 42, to the hospital where she was pronounced dead.
The inexperienced armorer
A production source on the Nicolas Cage Movie “The Old Way,” filmed before “Rust” described young armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, as “a bit careless with the guns, waving [one] around every now and again” and said she handed a gun to a child actress — forcing the crew to intervene.
On the set of “Rust” — only her second film as an armorer — Gutierrez-Reed, then 24, and the assistants who worked with her allegedly played around with the weapons, leaving them leaning against their own bodies or propped up with the barrel in the ground while they played with their cellphones, a “horrified” source told Fox News.
It allegedly got so bad that camera assistant Lane Luper is said to have walked off the set prior to the fatal shooting. In an interview with Hollywood Reporter, Luper described Gutierrez-Reed and her crew as “three inexperienced people.”
Insiders have maintained that Gutierrez-Reed, the daughter of famed movie armorer Thell Reed, was hired as a result of cheapness and nepotism. She received only $8,000 for the “Rust” job.
Gutierrez-Reed sued the movie’s gun and ammunition supplier, PDQ Arm and Prop, LLC, in January 2022 — alleging she was sold dummy ammunition with live rounds mixed in. (PDQ has denied this.)
I actually WAS the Battalion Armorer for my infantry battalion several decades ago.
Yes, it was MY sole responsibility to ensure that after drills or exercises, NO firearms were returned to the Armory with live ammo in them or in any submitted magazines. During the many years I served in that capacity, only 1 M-16 was returned with a chambered round (no magazine attached. The soldier who returned it was dealt with severely (I was not present in those proceedings haven submitted a sworn statement thru the CoC).
This movie set armorer is damn lucky that’s the only consequence of her negligence. Baldwin should be in prison for a significant period; he murdered the woman because he deliberately pointed the weapon at her and pulled the trigger. Period. Shouldn’t matter that he claims it was not deliberate.
The NRA-certified course on Basic Handgun Safety teaches pupils right from hour 1, day 1, to NEVER point ANY weapon at ANYONE unless you intend to shoot & potentially kill them.
As I recall…the FIRST think is to always handle the weapon as if it were loaded
The SECOND thing is NOT to aim it at anyone/anything unless you really mean to shoot them/it.
The THIRD is to always check a weapon that was handled to you, NEVER ASSUME it is not loaded.
The FOURTH thing they show you is how to handle a gun and how to place your finger alongside the body of the weapon… NEVER to put your finger on the trigger until you are aiming at the target and mean to shoot. REALLY mean to shoot.
Pretty much that’s all in the first two minutes…. ONLY THEN can you pick up your training handgun and learn how to check if it’s loaded.
I’d say that’s pretty much the first 10 minutes.
Guns can be fun, guns can be outstanding pieces of machinery BUT they are very serious items that need to respected and handled with the utmost care.
But then, ACTORS are actors. What can you expect?
Don’t know what NRA handbook or handgun class you’re referring to, but right off the NRA website:
ALWAYS Keep The Gun Pointed In A Safe Direction
This is the primary rule of gun safety. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.
Ref. https://gunsafetyrules.nra.org/
Think about this – if the instructor is first going to instruct a newbie how to hold a handgun, is he (or she) going to do that while the newbie is inadvertently pointing the weapon at someone?
No. They first tell you to never point it at anyone, or more importantly, only point it in a safe direction (where there is zero potential for anyone to get hurt if the weapon is inadvertently fired), then they immediately get on with proper holding mechanics. Many newbies don’t quite “get” positioning their trigger (index) finger alongside the receiver at first. I’ve seen that happen many times.
Years ago, I was hunting in Nebraska. The host, on whose property I was hunting, showed me his locked gun case in his home. He said he had a lever action rifle in .32-30 caliber, an unusual one, and did I want to see it. He handed it to me in his house; instinctively I pointed it away from him, and cycled the lever opening thee action. A live cartridge was expelled falling to the floor. I did NOT close the action
This is exactly why guns need to be in the hands of qualified and trained operators. Dumb asses like Mr. Baldwin should serve his time. Movie stars or anyone else who do not respect a loaded gun, live ammo or not, should not be handling them. Period. This is why we’re told to lock our guns up.
Agree!
It is always the “unloaded ” gun that goes off!
Yep. “I thought it was unloaded”
Every time I’ve read anything about this mess, I’m reminded of the Andrews Sisters’ music…..
His defense makes as much sense as their song.
nice pull, Sharon
love those horn kicks
This needs to be the background music played during the trial when AB testifies.
If I’m not mistaken it is also an unwritten rule that all actors/liars are supposed to check their props to make sure no live ammunition is in that weapon and only has blanks.
It should be a written rule if it isn’t.
I don’t get why a real firearm was on the set where untrained stupid actors have access. They should have only prop guns that cannot fire live ammo but can sound like a round being fired. Could even make a flash with smoke coming out the front.. but no projectile.
I read when this first happened, that there is a written handbook for handling the prop weapons. Not mentioned much anymore, sorry don’t recall where I read it. If I recall, Hannah should have been with the weapons at all times or they should have been locked up. She was buildings away…or something not nearby. Very sad for Hutchins family. Strange how this happened to Baldwin who is so outspoken about weapons….
The Lord has ways of humbling the arrogant.
Spoiled, entitled, Hollyweird narcissists!
That’s for sure
“Baldwin’s culpability is as producer”
Well, he did point the gun at the victim and pull the trigger so it seems like there might be some culpability for that too.
Shutdowns cost money. I doubt the producer/bully boy Baldwin would have allowed them.
I read early on that the armorer and others were the ones plinking.
I fully agree the armorer will likely be found guilty.
My point is that she will likely become enough of a scapegoat for Baldwin to walk.
thx, vet, I vaguely remember that too
Baldwin had to have been on the set when the target shooting of live rounds was going on. His claim that it’s not his fault is hollow as his head… He should have checked the gun.
My money goes on Baldwin was the one doing “target practice”.
And why was he pointing the gun at the cinematographer?
This is from a friend whose husband has been a big Hollywood director for many years (but must remain anonymous): Total miscarriage of justice, regarding Baldwin.
Armorer: Guilty as Hell
Assistant Director: Guilty (and has already pleaded guilty)
Baldwin: NOT GUILTY
When the jury hears expert testimony from people who actually work on film sets, Baldwin will be exonerated.
Not to mention, the husband of the dead cinematographer does not think Baldwin was responsible for her death.
I think the best thing to do would be to recreate the crime scene in the courtroom, complete with the loaded gun. Baldwin can play the part of the victim.
Just to be nice to him… give him a Ukrainian Army helmet.
How about this?
He’s innocent as an actor. Guilty as producer. All the producers on the film should have been charged.
Baldwin is guilty of producing crap movies at the minimum.
He is guilty of being a bloviating, narcissistic turd.
Let the courts decide. We have such a fine legal system. He has money, leftist blowhard— he’ll walk.
I’m sure of that too. Sorry Helyna. There will be no justice for you. At least not in this world.
Trial is being held in New Mexico, not California. So the big Whoreywood director can go pound sand.
Regardless of what Alec Baldwin’s friends think, he didn’t take the time to check the weapon himself. And as those of us trained in handling firearms know, you never assume the firearm is unloaded, and you never take another persons word that it unloaded. Ever.
And if he did take their word that the gun was safe, he was negligent.
I live in New Mexico. Santa Fe is Beverly Hills redux. It ain’t right and I hate it, but he will walk.
I pray you are wrong my friend.
Hope you don’t live there… but Santa Fe is highly overrated and a bastion for the LBGT whatever…
Epstein has his underaged girls living in his New Mexico desert compound and becoming pregnant to conduct genetic experiments. Was New Mexico authorities aware of this?
I wonder… actors that handle guns in a set…. do they have to take a weapons safety course?
Baldwin pulled the trigger. Therefore, he is guilty. It really is that simple.
No! Damn the bullets! Blame the ammo manufacturers!
/sarc
Attending a NRA gun safety class would teach your friend’s husband otherwise.
Wrong. Baldwin IS guilty. He failed to treat (even a prop) the gun as “always loaded”. No slack for this, or He should never handle a gun.
LOL…what a load of BUNK…..it is always appropriate to assign responsibility in a gun death to the one who held the weapon and PULLED the trigger
“… husband of the dead cinematographer does not think Baldwin was responsible for her death …”
I wouldn’t give that a lot of credence … everyone’s allowed to be as empty-headed as they so choose
Perhaps he wants to put this behind him and raise his son in private. I read that he did say Alex wasn’t guilty and some other report that they reached a financial agreement regarding some type of repayment on the husband being part of the production the movie. I felt sorry for him and his son.
I would not be surprised if Studio Money (old Hollywood) and Baldwin’s ties to the DNC was able to “buy” the lesser charges.
Well, the armorer is to blame. The assistant director is to blame. The actor is to blame. It’s a blame shared exactly equally. They all pulled the trigger; not one of them is more or less guilty of the crime. And that level of negligence is criminal.
Two counts? Only one person died.
Baldwin was trying to cut costs. Gutierrez-Reed allowed staff to play with loaded guns during either breaks and/or lunch. A bunch of the staff walked out due to the dangerous set the day before.
Baldwin beats people up over “stolen” parking spaces in NY. He called his young, innocent 9 yr. old daughter a spoiled little pig just because she didn’t want to see him on visitation day. Maybe she had a birthday party to attend. He went on every talk show that would take him to repeatedly accuse his ex Kim Basinger of alienation of affection. I think his daughter was tired of his uncontrolled rages, intimidation and repetitive verbal attacks on her mother.
“Look, Dahlin’. It’s Alec Baldwin. Deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. Should I hate him?”
******
” Sure shootin’ … y’all should hate him. ” !
Alec is the white OJ.
Soon to be searching for the real shooter.
he has already long ago blamed the gun for pulling its own trigger
Evidently he flunked his court ordered Anger Management classes for slugging his NY condo neighbor over a free parking place that Alex decided was his.
..underground in Antartica
Avenatti Baldwin Biden. And many more. You cross 45 and you get the it in the end.
I wish that were true 🙂 Then Comey, Clapper, Brennan and a multitude of others would have gotten it.
But it’s just the hand of fate. We are all going to get it in the end.
We haven’t watched one minute of any TV or movie project, etc., the sanctimonious gun control knuckleheads have made since they spewed their hypocracy!
Liam Neeson is another one who comes to mind!
Liam Mr. “There’s too many G**damn guns in this world!” Neeson. Rob Roy was the only movie he ever did that was worth watching. The rest of his product is schlock.
Couldn’t agree more. And Rob Roy wasn’t all that great, but, yes worth watching…once.
I liked High Spirits. But it was really Peter O Toole that made it such a good movie.
The actions of Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed resulted in one death. So why is each of them being charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter? Why not just one count?
There’s a variation in the charges and the jury will be assigned the duty of deciding which of the charges apply.
So neither party will be convicted of two charges.
Ok, thank you.
I think Ms Reeb has it right when it comes to the evidence and the charge of Alec ‘Shooter’ Baldwin this killing was completely avoidable. Mr Baldwin will have to do some prison time.
“Mr Baldwin will have to do some prison time.”
Yes.
I’m guessing one year in jail.
Yeah, we’ll see. I’m predicting zero…
Another reason to disbelieve our so-called justice system.
His Trump imitation on SNL was crude , not funny or even remotely imitating any characteristics of Trump. Baldwin is a hack.He pointed a real gun at a woman and instead of saying “Bang! Bang!”this is pretend, he pulled the trigger.
Stupid, immature, ridiculous. I bet he is waking up now.
Like many of his ilk, he will remain in denial until he’s perped walked into the prison. If he’s convicted, look for him to be placed in a white collar prison. He wouldn’t last three days in a real penitentiary.
They’ll put him in a actor’s prison… you know… where you “act” being in prison while in reality you’re in Club Med drinking margaritas.
In home detention and probation.
The poor schlub below him is probably going to prison for 12-18 months.
I certainly don’t like Alec Baldwin. He’s a nasty narcistic old man. However, I don’t think he should have been charged. The armorer and person who handed him the gun bare the responsibility as far as Im concerned. Yes, you should always check a guy before you fire it but how would he know it wasn’t a blank? Were they marked? Did he not follow proper procedure as well? Not looking for an argument just want to be enlightened :).
Not sure about that striket. She lost her life.
I know and that is a tragedy and shouldn’t be forgotten.
Just stand on the firing line and accidently point your rifle at someone instead of downrange and I guarantee the sergeant will come and enlighten you.
He hired the armorer who was said not to be competent, he was producer and responsible for safety on the set, which was reportedly so bad the crew had a walk-out, and he was said to have been on his phone while safety briefing was made. Sounds to me as a layman, he habitually did not follow proper procedure.
Proper procedure would mean he checked to make sure the firearm was unloaded himself. So, no matter how negligent the armorer was, Baldwin was just as negligent.
At the moment Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger they were not filming. I would think, right then and there, he was as culpable as anyone who points a firearm at anyone. You are supposed to treat all firearms as if they are loaded. He not only pointed it at someone but he pulled the trigger. I think negligent homicide is an appropriate charge.
When you make a movie you’d need to point firearms at people for realism’s sake so firearms are loaded with blanks which emit smoke. I have no idea of what the legalities are for aiming and squeezing the trigger and killing someone during actual filming.
When they were filming this movie right outside Santa Fe, the union people were angry that they weren’t provided rooms in Santa Fe but instead had to drive a little over an hour due south on I-25 to Albuquerque where rooms are infinitely cheaper. That’s about 120 miles each day. There were some other issues revolving around keeping production costs down.
I have always wondered if someone purposely loaded live ammo where there should be blanks or no blanks thinking all along that the armorer would catch it and serving as a veiled threat.
“We’re all too tired from driving hours and hours every day and this is an example of what COULD go wrong if we don’t get enough sleep.”
I would think that if Alec Baldwin suggested union thuggery as a contributing factor, he would never work again.
An interesting article about the armorer.
https://deadline.com/2022/08/alec-baldwin-rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-police-fbi-probe-1235095856/
The armorer is highly pissed at law enforcement for not checking for fingerprints and DNA on the live ammunition found on set. LE’s response is an unbelievable “why bother” type of response. They conclude without doing any testing and without looking that there would probably be several sets of DNA and fingerprints.
This makes me wonder all the more if union thugs did this.
https://lawandcrime.com/celebrity/rust-armorer-criticizes-lack-of-dna-testing-after-cinematographers-death-on-alec-baldwin-movie-set/
That is nuts. The claim that supposed blank rounds being “props” passed through the creation of multiple films renders who handled them moot is asinine. The live rounds most certainly were not used in the creation of previous films and who handled them, whether from their creation or insertion in the weapon, is significant. Additionally, as ammunition, faux or otherwise, these are consumables, they have to be reprocessed or replaced after firing so the “previous movies” excuse is stupid.
Further head-scratchers abound:
Some live rounds found on set during the investigation were made using cases bearing the imprint of a manufacturer who does NOT manufacture live ammunition but blank rounds exclusively, that alone begs the question of who provided the adulterated rounds, the prop supplier or another party? Were they slipped in somehow? DNA would be helpful there.
The FBI did test the gun:
The FBI report is being misconstrued. The gun fired in testing only one time—without having to pull the trigger—when the hammer was pulled back and the gun broke in two different places. The FBI was unable to fire the gun in any prior test, even when pulling the trigger, because it was in such poor condition.
That the weapon was in such poor condition, for a design that has a poor safety record most especially when in a poor condition, is astounding. The armorer should have been sufficiently competent to avoid that, and the prop supplier should be accountable for that it would seem.
Another thing from the article above that gets me and really puts a spoke in the wheel here, Baldwin claimed he never pulled the trigger, yet he declared in a police interview that he cocked the weapon, ie pulled the hammer back, by “fanning.”
Fanning the hammer is a technique for rapid fire, accomplished by pulling and holding the trigger while rapidly swiping ones open palm over the hammer, drawing it all the way back where once one’s hand has passed backwards off of it nothing is holding it in the locked position so it immediately falls and the weapon fires. This motion is repeated for each subsequent discharge, and is often done until all the rounds in the cylinder have been fired.
Baldwin declared that he “fanned” the hammer while claiming he never pulled the trigger. Perhaps he was attempting to cock the gun via “fanning,” without producing a discharge, meaning without pulling the trigger.
This is squirrelly here, because that is not the reason for fanning, and having surely played at fanning a single-action hammer in his films, he was practiced in doing it as intended, to create a series of rapid discharges, it would be second nature when fanning even for a single rehearsal example of the tactic, to pull the trigger the instant you began. It would be so instinctual that it could scarcely be avoided if one tried to.
Is he dissembling? Ie, he didn’t pull the trigger because he was already holding it back? Or was he simply unconscious of the act of pulling the trigger because it was essentially already pulled?
Also, if he intended to fan the hammer into a cocked position without producing a discharge, simply to draw it back and lock it in the cocked position, fanning would be dangerous as hell. One cocks a single action hammer the traditional way by drawing it back with the thumb of the shooting hand, and one maintains full control over that hammer until it locks back, something that can be felt, and if that isn’t felt, if it doesn’t click properly, then one knows that simply letting go of that hammer will allow it to fall and fire; fanning by definition does not allow one to sense that the hammer has locked and permit full control in the event the sear doesn’t catch the hammer when it reaches the cocked position.
Furthermore, fanning is sufficiently rapid that I would not be the least surprised if one attempted to do it to cock a tired gun even without pulling the trigger, but as an attempt to quickly cock the weapon, that the hammer would rebound and fall before the sear could move into place.
These people are amazingly incompetent, and ignorant, all the parties involved in the producing and maintenance and handling of these weapons and apparently all involved in investigating this event as well are just pathetic.
The truth would be nice to have, gonna be hard to find I suspect.
I have no idea of what the legalities are for aiming and squeezing the trigger and killing someone during actual filming.
The death of Brandon Lee after being shot filming The Crow (1993) was ruled an accident due to negligence. They used a real revolver for the prop gun. It was improperly loaded for one scene and then improperly cleared before the scene where Lee actually gets shot. Lee’s mother won a lawsuit against the film makers.
Actor Michael Massee who fired the shot was never charged. He was plagued by nightmares of the event for the rest of his life (passed away 2016).
a little more detail:
In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the gun that was used as a prop (a real revolver) was loaded with improperly made dummy rounds, improvised from live cartridges that had the powder charges removed by the special effects crew, so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunition. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges, and at some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired. Although there were no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck—a dangerous condition known as a squib load.
During the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank’s propellant and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.[101][102]
After Massee pulled the trigger and shot Lee, Lee fell backwards instead of forwards as he was supposed to. When the director said “cut”, Lee did not stand up and the crew thought he was either still acting or kidding around. Jeff Imada, who immediately checked Lee, noticed something wrong when he came close and noted Lee was unconscious and breathing heavily. Medic Clyde Baisey went over and shook Lee to see if he was dazed by hitting his head during the fall, but did not think Lee had been shot since there was no visible bleeding. Baisey took Lee’s pulse, which was regular, but within two to three minutes it slowed down dramatically, and stopped.[103]
Lee was rushed to the New Hanover Regional Medical Center in Wilmington, North Carolina. Attempts to save him were unsuccessful and after six hours of emergency surgery, Lee was pronounced dead on March 31, 1993, at 1:03 pm. He was 28 years old. The shooting was ruled an accident due to negligence.[104]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee#Death
Thanks for info , Nim 😊
No, he did NOT follow proper procedure.
The very first thing you must do, ALWAYS, when handed a real hand gun, is to check if it’s loaded (is there something chambered).
It was his responsibility to refuse the weapon if he wasn’t trained in handling it, or if he felt unsure of it.
We have the right to own guns, but we also have the responsibility to handle them properly.
He should be charged with being a crappy actor.
What procedure would have one aiming at the director and cinematographer? while not rolling?
Psychotic narcissism would be my guess.
how would he know it wasn’t a blank?
Blanks often have a colored tip, green or red
image search:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=blank+cartridge&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
Being this is a family friendly chat I will just say Alec Baldwin is a sickening liberal slob who belongs in prison.
It shouldn’t have taken this long for an indictment Baldwin’s attorneys were probably trying to cut deals!
All you gun control psychos where were you?
Oh I see, only Libs who shoot ppl are excused??
💁🏻♀️
The victim was working on a documentary about child trafficking or something along those lines is what I have read altho all the “factcheckers” claim it ain’t so.
More on her: https://nworeport.me/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-shooting-victim-is-wife-of-clinton-connected-lawyer-involved-in-durham-indictment/
https://neonnettle.com/news/17127-bone-chilling-alec-baldwin-tweet-re-emerges-in-wake-of-fatal-shooting
Yes! What happened to this aspect of the story??
This is from a friend whose husband has been a big Hollywood director for many years (but must remain anonymous): Total miscarriage of justice, regarding Baldwin.
Armorer: Guilty as Hell
Assistant Director: Guilty (and has already pleaded guilty)
Baldwin: NOT GUILTY
When the jury hears expert testimony from people who actually work on film sets, Baldwin will be exonerated.
Not to mention, the husband of the dead cinematographer does not think Baldwin was responsible for her death.
I’m sorry, that is nuts.
He shot her and she is dead.
“He shot her and she is dead.”
Yes…
Just forwarding what someone high up in the industry related.
Just consider the source. These “higher ups” don’t live in the real world. They live lives of privilege and assume that they not subject to the same rules as the rest of us. Beyond that, unless he’s on the jury, this director is just projecting his own opinion.
The fact that the husband of the deceased sued Baldwin means husband of the deceased thought there was some responsibility there.
Just because the husband of the deceased settled a civil case doesn’t mean he thinks Baldwin not responsible…. it means he collected money without going through the expense of a trial.
The fact that Baldwin settled means that he/his lawyers thought there was a significant risk that the he would be found by a preponderance of the evidence to have responsibility and have a judgment against him.
W/re Expert testimony, it cuts both way. Paid mouthpieces are presented by both sides.
We’ll see. Personally, I hope Baldwin is, at the very least, humiliated, disgraced, humbled and financially challenged after the trial. But, that’s just me.
“it means he collected money without going through the expense of a trial.”
Get while the gettin’s good.
Lawyers know this.
“When the jury hears expert testimony from people who actually work on film sets…”
expert testimony Will provide proof he’s guilty …like a drunk driver.. guilty..
After seeing Baldwin express his cold, sociopathic defiance towards taking any responsibility, I hope he gets a maximum sentence with no chance of parole.
Do you think they would have charged a no name schmuck like me just a little sooner?
Geez………..
You would already be in jail.
So sick of two-tiered justice. This unfair justice system is going to crash and burn after over almost 250 years.
“A Republic………….if you can keep it.”
“the gun went off”? Firearms are not timed or pressure sensitive charges, they require active and intended pressure against the trigger for them to fire. To imply otherwise is to give into the erroneous idea that firearms have sentient tendencies.
“I didn’t pull the trigger…no, no, no, no, no!”
It appears that they were unable to find out who leaked the draft Dobbs opinion. Apparently, they may never be able to find the leaker. Surprise, surprise.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/01/supreme-court-investigators-fail-to-identify-who-leaked-dobbs-opinion/
No search warrant for the news media and dawn raids? No forensic examination of computers, cell phones and tablets. Just asked the Supreme Court employees…Did you do this?
It’s absolutely ridiculous. You can rest assured that if this ruling had been beneficial for Democrats, the FBI would have found the leaker in 24 hours.
These “investigators” are idiots. The answer is obvious if they pull their heads out of their butkiss: it’s either, Kagan, Sotomayor, Roberts, or “I don’t know what a woman is until it benefits my getting on SCOTUS.” If it had been one of Trump’s 3 appointees, Alito, or the much-maligned Thomas they’d have bus tire tracks up one side and down the other already.
These people think we’re stupid. If one applies the “cui bono? test the answer is glaringly obvious.
John Schneider from Dukes of Hazzard did several videos on YT after this happened explaining how this tragedy should not have happened if protocol was followed – including by Alec Baldwin himself.
I pray they’re all found guilty, and receive the maximum sentence, with no possibility of parole
Are the years of double standards going along according to ( untold ) script ?
( why does police officer – involved in knee on floyd -in mpls go to jail, high bond, quick trial, long sentence? )
hmmm…
p.s.
yes w ray, perhaps some just us,
needs some equal justice for all?
People know
I do not know
Love thy neighbors
This is a FOX news show from one year ago..Provided analysis,And their predictions came true today.
What is the punishment for the crime of simply being Alec Baldwin?
Eric Hunley and Mark Groubert have done 20-30+ live stream covering this event. Did you know that Baldwin’s dad died of lead poisoning. He was the coach of Baldwin’s high school rifle team. Given he was mostly likly proven to have been trained by his father in guns, I think his standard on that set is raised higher in addition to having handled guns on sets in the many westerns he’s been in. ( go to 45:00) Interesting tid bits in the interview.
Hope this comes up at trial. Surely Baldwin was experienced in guns given his dad was an instructor.
Eric also said that the minimum is 5 yrs b/c a gun was involved.
https://www.youtube.com/live/EB0-blA9UKs?feature=share
“when the gun went off” gee, I knew those pesky guns were really not inanimate. Take them to a re-education center.
Santa Fe is liberal as they get. No way is Baldwin going to eat a guilty verdict. He will walk.
Maybe so. But at a minimum he is ruined as a Producer and Actor. He killed the lady. IMO libs can’t keep him/wife/litter afloat in the lifestyle they are accustomed. He will have to retire. Sensible people will be outraged if he walks.
I’ve removed all my firearms from my house,
and moved them to a “more secure” place.
Zero in the house.
Mostly because my state doesn’t back castle doctrine.
Amd I have so many guns it’s hard to keep track of them.
So don’t come looking for my guns, FIB
They are at the bottom of a lake, along with my gold.
Accidents happen.
I hear he has been offered the lead role in the upcoming remake of The Shootist.
Life was so much easier throwing punches at papparazzi and a playing a dumpy Trump.
Time to don the man pants, Alec.
I never thought he’d be charged. This is very surprising.
It’s a shame what happened to Halyna Hutchins but regarding Baldwin all I have to say is- Schadenfreude!
Why not a grand jury deciding if charges should be filed?
Good.
Sorry, but you NEVER point a gun, loaded, unloaded, whatever, at another being without intending to do it harm. Just the fact that Baldwin pointed the gun at the victims is enough to charge him with manslaughter (not involuntary).
Baldwin will not pay one whit for this crime, I assure you. Now if it were you or I, we’d be put away for life.
“That’s how it goes, Everybody knows” – thanks Leonard Cohen.
A close family member was preparing to work with me regarding handling a hand gun for self defense. I’m accustomed to rifles and shotguns, but had never been trained on the handgun as he had (for decades)
The first thing he did was stand me in front of a floor to ceiling mirror (across the room) and had me raise the gun as though I was targeting myself–as that was the only way to get the sense of pointing such a weapon at someone without pointing the weapon at anyone.
Our “betters” are SO STUPID. If I had EVER played around with that weapon (or any other) and not simply done what I was told to do, it would have been immediately removed from my hand and that would have been the end of that. So maddening.
I see it as a clean up operation. As murder has no statue of limitations, so go thru the motions, bungle the prosecution, and Baldwin is a free man, as he can not be tried twice, unless the Feds, pull some civil rights sh!t out of their @sses !!
How is this not “reckless homocide” …
Since there isn’t likely to be real justice, I at least hope that Baldwin has to keep his yap shut for a while.
Too bad the cop who, uh, supposedly killed George Floyd (in a set of circumstances not under his control) didn’t get the same kid glove treatment. Yes, It’s just too damn bad isn’t it?
Just to stir the pot, Baldwin should be charged with murder. Just being a clod is not good enough.
Almost as untouchable as a Capital hall monitor… apparently the Hollywood white privilege card has its limits…
The thing is after an accident then “the rule book” is brought out and thrown around even though no one had followed it by the letter for decades.
So no matter the outcome of the prosecution, we will never get the real story or get to the real problem, as someone pointed out below there were widespread reports of live ammo plinking around the set. I also read about the weapons and rounds safe inside someone trailer and access to that and a whole shadowy outline of who had what access and then you had the crew and their accommodations controversy and the “strike” and demands for more time off and some other thing about what people were eating or allowed to eat and traveling to and from the filming area….
What we need a DEFINITIVE take on is where the live rounds came from – and the direct and absolute tracking of who handled those and how they were introduced onto the set, and it sure as heck doesn’t appear we are going to get that.
Furthermore, I suspect live rounds are quite common around hollywood films especially westerns where they are outside in some western setting – despite hollywoods off set time raging against gun ownership any big names have armed security and probably a lot them shoot personal weapons on the regular.
So let’s have exact point to point on the live rounds.
I bet we don’t get it so I don’t care about any of their stupid charges then. I consider them ALL suspect if we don’t have all the evidence on the live rounds.
An attorney’s point of view.
REAL AMERICA — Dan Ball W/ David Wohl, Alec Baldwin Charged In ‘Rust’ Movie Shooting, 1/19/23
By One America News Network
19 Jan 2023
https://rumble.com/v26ck1g-real-america-dan-ball-w-david-wohl-alec-baldwin-charged-in-rust-movie-shoot.html
I went ahead and read the end pages of this book.
Probation w/ community service “no gun” commercials.
This is wonderful news! Karma finally caught up to ol’ Alec, who has spent the entirety of his life shitting on other people.
You get what you give.
Baldwin is a complete POS. Other actors report that the armorer’s are in charge of this stuff, but Baldwin should be put out of his misery for all the other crap he has done(verbal and physical abuse of women).
Don’t worry, old alec will walk as leftys ALL do. Guaranteed he won’t see a day in jail.
If Baldwin is not guilty of anything, why did he settle in the civil lawsuit from the Hutchins family last October?
Different standards exist between criminal law and civil suit, much easier to lose in civil court, cheaper to settle sometimes, and a settlement agreement can impose limitations on the parties speech regarding the issue that makes it easier to “shut someone up.”
I don’t know if that parlays into an easier time fighting the criminal side, but not having your chief detractors demanding your head can’t be a bad thing, especially as settlements aren’t admissions of guilt.
At the very least Baldwin is guilty of negligence and there is no excuse for it, being a “pro” holds you to a higher level of responsibility along with all the “fruit” of being a “pro”.
I guess smart alec should have watched more of his own film
God Bless America
There were statements that people were firing live rounds at cans and bottles on set and that the armorer was behind the activity.
So that’s where the live ammunition came from.
Secondly, the antique replica single action revolver is different than any modern revolver. The hammer doesn’t move when you pull the trigger, you have to first cock the hammer all the way back as there are two stopping points and neither of those positions will be released by a trigger pull. Only the fully cocked position. However, if one were to pull the trigger first then cock back the hammer, it will not catch and when released the hammer will snap back and fire the next round. The cylinder rotates when you cock back the hammer and in the less than fully cocked position you can spin the cylinder freely. When you rotate the cylinder you have to load one round at a time. The cylinder does not pop-out to the side or downwards like more modern revolvers. You can’t speed load it. You have to check every single round. Prop rounds such as dummy rounds and blanks are marked and color coded at the back side of the cartridge where the primer goes. They look different than live rounds. Third point, the firearm was left on top of an armorers cart unsecured. It apparently was still loaded with live rounds. The director, Baldwin, and videographer were laying out a new shot in the makeshift prop church. The armorer wasn’t to be found. The assistant director picked up the revolver from the cart, didn’t check it first and handed it to Baldwin. Lastly, Baldwin didn’t check the firearm and either he cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger while pointing it directly at the director and videographer or he held the trigger and went to cock the hammer and it never locked into the ready position and fired. That is exactly how the mechanism is designed to work. Baldwin received no training from the armorer. Standard practice on all movie sets to never have the weapon aimed a human being. There are remote camera systems and safety shields such as bullet proof glass that would protect not only the camera gear but the operators.
Other reports of 2-3 previous firearm incidents on set with live rounds going off during stunt scenes. Production should have been stoped, the armorer terminated and a new armorer brought it before starting up production again. The strike was due to terrible conditions on set and the safety issue was the last straw. Workers were exhausted traveling back and forth many miles from a crappy hotel to and from the set after working 15 hour plus days. Some chose to sleep in their cars.