On Sunday evening the New York Post reported, “An unforeseen tragedy forced Governor DeSantis to reschedule his trip to New York,” Zeldin spokeswoman Katie Vincentz said, declining to elaborate. “While we’re rescheduling with Governor DeSantis for a later date, tonight’s fundraiser will proceed and is expected to raise almost a million dollars.” (link)
Monday afternoon the New York Post identified the “unforeseen tragedy“:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis backed out of a fundraiser for New York gubernatorial candidate Lee Zeldin to attend a Monday memorial service for a member of his security detail who died in the line of duty, sources told The Post.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement Special Agent Jose Perez was responding to a call in an unmarked cruiser on Aug. 2 when he was struck by Javier Sandoval, 35, in Miami. Perez was rushed to the hospital with serious injuries and died on Aug. 20. […] While unable to attend the evening event, DeSantis was in Deal, New Jersey, earlier in the day at the home of Jay Cayre, head of Midtown Equities, sources told The Post. (link)
Despite Officer Perez passing away eight days earlier, apparently, Governor DeSantis was unaware of the Monday funeral plans when he flew the governor’s jet to New Jersey to meet with billionaire real estate mogul Joseph ‘Jay’ Cayre on Sunday, forcing him to cancel the Zeldin fundraiser a few hours later in New York, or so the story is told.
However, the background looks really bad. Billionaire Joseph Cayre of Midtown Equities just gave New York Governor Kathy Hochul “more than” $400,000 for her campaign against Lee Zeldin, right before DeSantis showed up. [LINK]
Ron DeSantis flies to New Jersey/ New York on Sunday, meets with billionaire developer Joseph Cyre, who just donated $400k+ to Democrat candidate Kathy Hochul. Immediately following the meeting, DeSantis cancels the fundraiser with Hochul’s opponent, Republican Lee Zeldin, and returns to Florida. Apply Occam’s Razor here.
The funeral was announced the 26th [CITATION]. Governor DeSantis knew the date/time for the funeral (29th) before he got on the plane (28th).
So, what changed? Horrible unforeseen circumstances, or a request from a Big Club donor? The timing and circumstances look terrible.
The team behind DeSantis has promised to reschedule with Zeldin.
Also, in positive Florida news:
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis announced a leading investment in clean energy for Florida today with a $68 million award for 227 electric transit buses, and an unknown secondary distribution from the Dept of Environmental Protection for 218 electric school buses. [Details Here]
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Today, Governor Ron DeSantis celebrated another step in the state’s efforts to modernize public transit and reduce air pollutants caused by diesel emissions. Through the Volkswagen settlement, the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) is awarding more than $68 million that will secure 227 electric transit buses in 13 counties statewide that will replace existing diesel transit buses in Alachua, Broward, Duval, Escambia, Hillsborough, Leon, Marion, Miami-Dade, Monroe, Orange, Palm Beach, Pasco, and Pinellas counties.
“This funding will help lower emissions while also bringing our transit bus fleets to more modern standards,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “This is a win-win for air quality and advancing the state’s efforts to bolster growing electric vehicle usage.”
In addition to today’s announced electric transit bus grant awards, DEP has also awarded grants to seven school districts to purchase a total of 218 electric school buses in Broward, Manatee, Miami-Dade, Orange, Palm Beach, Pinellas, and Sarasota counties. Introducing electric buses is an important and effective way to reduce harmful emissions, especially in highly populated areas where mobile sources are the largest sources of air pollution. As more and more electric vehicles are deployed, emissions of air pollutants will be reduced, which will continue to improve Florida’s air quality. (read more)
Clap, clap, clap. Well played, Ron handlers. Well played. A tip of the hat to your superior chess skills.
Of course, it is easier to win when your opponent is hampered by the rules of honor and integrity and you are not.
Still, a superior move.
This is so low. He cancels on Zeldon just a few hours before he is due to speak? Because a big donor is donating to Zeldin’s Democrat opponent? Appalling, low level scum.
Trump will come in for Zeldin.
Maybe not; Zeldin is not a big Trump supporter, only when it’s in his best interest.
He is a typical NYS establishment Republican…nice and tidy in public…
I’ve known them my entire life!
Now, when I speak to my colleagues (who are now retired), they do not want to talk politics, because it has become so “crooked” and such “lawlessness”….Of course, when they were all part of the NYS club………(fill in the blank).
Giuliani was the MAGA candidate in that runoff against GOPe Zeldin. In typical fashion, the UNiparty has all their horses lined up for the November race.
Heads they win, tails we lose. Zeldin is their kicker, set up to fail, with DeSantis only too happy to snatch away the football at the last possible second.
45’s next rally is 9.3, Wilkes-Barre, PA
Reminds me of when he cancelled NRA speaking commitment after Uvalde. You know who showed up? Trump
Trump is faithful and loyal. In 2015 I didn’t like him, didn’t take him seriously.
He’s proven himself 1000 times over since then.
Sundance, they must hate the way you see the puzzle before you put it together , we would never know what the other hand is doing without your insight
Thank you for making me wise and non gulllible
Ron is looking like a Paul Ryan clone a little more each and every day
ouch
I was thinking Zelenskyy.
In The Governor’s defense, the mediocre actor and political fraudster Zelenskyy could never govern a state as effectively as DeSantis has. I’ll take DeSantis any day over Zelenskyy in that comparison.
ouch ouch
Look at RDS’ FARA Press Secretary in lower right photo w/Zelensky the night of his election.
And who made her RDS’ spokeswomen as governor and now in his campaign? How did she weasel her way into his circle of influence?
Where’s the ROOSIA! ROOSIA! ROOSIA! now?
Crickets.
Yup, although I think it’s Rubio he’s trying to outdo in the sell out competition.
I’m just surprised at how many can’t see it. I didn’t trust him even before Sundance started posting. When Dave Rubin is pushing for you it says it all. I never trusted him from the moment I first laid eyes on him.
Don’t know what it was, I just knew instantly I didn’t like him.
Can somebody answer this question for me?
In the article above, it says….
“Today, Governor Ron DeSantis celebrated another step in the state’s efforts to modernize public transit and reduce air pollutants caused by diesel emissions. Through the Volkswagen settlement, the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) is awarding more than $68 million that will secure 227 electric transit buses in 13 counties statewide that will replace existing diesel transit buses in Alachua, Broward, Duval, Escambia, Hillsborough, Leon, Marion, Miami-Dade, Monroe, Orange, Palm Beach, Pasco, and Pinellas counties.
“This funding will help lower emissions while also bringing our transit bus fleets to more modern standards,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “This is a win-win for air quality and advancing the state’s efforts to bolster growing electric vehicle usage.”
So DeSantis is all aboard the Green agenda. But here, we have another story:
Youngkin Vows to Halt Virginia’s ‘Ridiculous’ California-Style Ban on Gas Powered Cars
https://www.theepochtimes.com/youngkin-vows-to-halt-virginias-ridiculous-california-style-ban-on-gas-powered-cars_4695667.html
And yet, we have people who say we’re so desperate, that we have nobody in place to take up the mantel after Trump that we must elect DeSantis.
Yet nobody is talking about Youngkin. Why is that? Is it because DeSantis has big money donors and Youngkin doesn’t?
Good question Michael B. Always wondered why Youngkin didn’t get enough play. The way he battled/still battles in VA a strong blue state is underrated in my thinking…
Don’t let youngkin fool you..he is a rino and we held our noses to vote for him…..my love is for sears
Carlisle.
Youngkin signed on to the BLM cheering section when he was still at Corporate. We pray for his enlightenment. Mrs. Sears is the Real Deal. God Bless her richly!
…for the moment. You’ll get over her soon enough.
She is being groomed.
Big on Sears, too. Glenn, we’ll wait and see.
I would be all-in for Sears too. I like her grit.
Youngkin told PDJT to stay away.
Yet he would not have won if MAGA hadn’t turned out big on voting day. And Virginia’s laws force all mail in ballots to be counted first, greatly lowering their fraud efforts.
The way the RNC was there for him in VA and not in NJ was telling.
link please
Youngkin is a former head of the Carlyle Group and ultimately is not to be trusted. A lot of Virginians are getting a reprieve from the last disastrous governors and we all appreciate that fact.
People need to realize very few are on our side. Very very few. As in practically no one. We have no person upon the national stage as of right now, in my opinion. We might not even have a country in 2024.
All anyone needs to know about DeSantis is his continued push for the digital ID in Florida. That alone should send the red flag nationally. Great Governor, gave us a ton of hope running Florida.
Trump declared a State of Emergency in all 50 states, still in place today, and allowed the masks and lockdowns. Rescind it and he might be President today. Loved his first 3 years, but that last one was not good.
There is a gentleman who ran against Waserman Schultz, I forget his name, and she stole the primary from him. This is about 8 years ago maybe. He went to the Republicans in the area and they did nothing. It turns out they all like the system. Exactly what I learned after my 2 years of researching voter and election fraud in Cuyahoga County Ohio.
This DeSantis coincidence is not surprising.
Youngkin is even more connected but has the Carlyle Group spector that DeSantis doesn’t. Still, either is not Biden. We are in big trouble.
You have made an excellent point though and have a good thought process. We should all be evaluating everything.
Because it is too early. Trump hasn’t even declared as a 2024 candidate yet. Let’s see who he wants to run with. His pick. The Uniparty is already trying to pick Trump’s replacement when he is very much still in it. I don’t care what they do. I’ll write in “Trump” if I have to. We got NO one else.
Right. The Trump running partner would be heir apparent to MSGA after Trump 3rd term?
Thanks to our wonderful Constitution, Trump can be indicted on a felony, convicted, sentenced and put in solitary confinement and still run for President as a write in candidate, be elected and sworn into office behind bars by the Chief Justice of the United States. Then he can pardon himself. However, he can still be impeached and removed from office by the Congress.
Youngkin has done some good stuff, looked it up the other day but he’s not really competitive when it comes to being presidential material at the present time. IMO.
President Trump already knows how to make America rich, strong and free and that is what we need IN PLACE again to counter the world organizations take over. We don’t need some new guy in there (no matter how well meaning) dickering over what to do or not do while under constant attack. Only Trump will cut through the chaff and take it too those trying to destroy not only us but all western civilization. Once he puts America back on a secure footing to fight them or even defeat them then all we need as a follow up president is someone honest enough not to ruin what he’s done. Still a big hurdle some might say but much more doable than trying to find someone with Trump.s monetary know how and indomitable courage.
Youngkin is DAVOS, CFR, richer than barry, in other words he is one of them biden his time. He is a far cry better than the Sleazeball McAwful, but don’t believe Youngkin is some great Republican.
We are watching in real time the metamorphosis of this man in to a full fledge GOPe . I will never vote for him ever so sad for him.
Please say never vote for him at Prez…if you are a Florida rez we have no choice. Crist is pure evil.
I too will vote for him for Governor but if President Trump is not on ballot I will stay home.
Never stay home. Write President Donald John Trump on the ballot as your ‘write-in’ candidate.
100% agree. Stuck in CA.
If you don’t live in Florida, I don’t care who you vote for,understood? DeSantis is running for his second term here in Florida. Running against a piece of Democrap 💩 named Charlie Crist. DeSantis must win! Get off this crazy DeSantis bashing! I seriously questions the motives for undermining DeSantis, folks here are infested with DeSantis Derangement… get a freaking grip!
I agree. I’d support DeSantis all day long for Florida Governor. But not for President if President Trump is on the ballot.
Yeh, right…I wonder how all those electric buses are going to work out in Florida that DeSantis just signed onto?
Who knows? Has anyone seen the numbers? Total cost of operating gas or diesel busses versus electric busses? Until the numbers are presented and based on real world cases, it’s useless to debate.
But regardless of the electric busses, DeSantis will be better for Florida than Crist. By a huge factor.
At this point, it doesn’t matter. He’s still magnitudes better than Corrupt Commie Crist. No contest.
Lithium batteries work so well in the heat as we all know. That’s why I took them out of my dash cam and replaced them with a capacitor. Didn’t want a car fire.
Good luck after a hurricane and all the power goes out.
I don’t support this boondoggle for electric buses and the amount stated isn’t enough to purchase said electric buses, where is the rest of the money coming from? I do get the emissions angle as far as pollution, but there are other options
All that being said, as a Floridian I can tell you mass transit buses are not an issue in the immediate aftermath of a hurricane.
I too grew up/graduated university/lived there decades, and have property for decades in FL, which was demolished after the ‘04 ‘canes. So yes, mass transit might not be the issue for most of us, BUT it is for some.
On the barrier island I’m on (as I write this) in a very, very large condo complex, many seniors utilize the free bus transportation to medical visits or elsewhere. FL has more condo (retirees) than any other state. For those that use such transportation it literally is a lifeline to services they need.
Floridians will simply need to turn off their air conditioners in order to power all those electric charging stations. Easy peasy. / sarc
Florida is the Sunshine State, why not use solar panel buses? Or perhaps put some windmills on top of the bus?
Because that would be too practical. They don’t want the buses to run efficiently. They really want us to stay put and suffer.
An DeSantis is on the team that is working hard to make sure Donald Trump will not be on the ballot. He’s doing more damage than Crist ever could.
Agree.
Crist over DeSantis? Are you nuts.
Why the bashing of DeSantis at this time, before the mid term elections. There’s plenty of time for that after he is elected Governor if the plan by the bashers is to keep him off the POTUS ticket.
The bashing at this time is really suspect.
“Why the bashing of DeSantis at this time, before the mid term elections. There’s plenty of time for that after he is elected Governor if the plan by the bashers is to keep him off the POTUS ticket.”…..
No there isn’t. By then, the Ron propaganda will have taken hold and there will be no undoing it…but I suspect you know that already.
Why the national campaign and fundraising from out of state Democrat billionaires before the midterm elections?
The national campaign at this time is really suspect.
Because DeSantis isn’t a good guy….he’s just using MAGA and Florida.
Because, RDS CHOSE the timing to be now, based on his actions, starting 8/9. Some were watching him prior to then, but after the RAID, RDS’s choices put him on the front burner. The alarm started flashing.
RDS and his handlers chose the timing. No one else.
He’s not running for Florida anything…that’s secondary at this point. He’s running for President, or at least to kamikaze Trump from getting it.
He’s exposed himself beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt. Not one of the good guys.
Don’t worry about Florida….worry about Biden being re-elected due to MAGA being split. Crist can’t cause that…..DeSantis can and is.
Biden “aint” running for Gov. of Florida. DeSantis is. Do you honestly think the Club, which we and Trump “aint” in, is going to allow Trump to get the nomination, let alone become POTUS?
I live in Texas and got an email form the GOPee last night saying that RDS would make a great President. Does that sound like running for Florida governor?
You’re late to the party. I got the same email two weeks ago.
From the Texas GOP? What? Why isn’t the Texas GOP concentrating on the upcoming midterms and state elections in November?
Because RDS isn’t concentrating on his state elections.
Self sabotaging tactics and utterly disgusting. Again, there are many scumbags in the senate, example Lisa M. that deserves this types of hit job after hit job but we should overlook them and focus on Desantis because he appears to be getting ready for 2024. Folks, we are talking about 2024 while the GOPe are laying down flat to throw the election to the Dem to prevent any scrutiny on their part in destroying the Trump presidency.
Instead of directing your ire towards them, we are hell bent on destroying Desantis? And to hear some keyboard warriors here talking about not voting for him or not voting in the 2024 election if Trump is not the candidate is beyond pathetic. Talk about cult like mentality.
So you are okay with DeSantis getting re-elected and immediately starting to campaign for President?
So are you in his inner circle to know that he is definitely going to run? Or is it the plan to defeat him in the next gubernatorial election to damage him? Why can’t this hit piece after hit piece wait till after the election? Why not focus on the once that we need to get out of the senate and house races? Why are some of you so obtuse. The presidency is not the only political post that moves the agenda. You also need the house and senate at all the levels. Damn people.
Why so rude and vulgar? You are not the only one here with a valid opinion. You do you.
Wow…there are a lot of you here today. Say “hi” to James.
Yea, a lot of people that play to win and not self sabotage. It’s people like you that end up giving us people like mitt Romneys of the world because you’ve seriously damaged the candidates that may be 96% aligned to our agenda because the said candidate does not agree 100% to one single item.
Yeah…no
Voters need discernment, which is sorely lacking here. This is not that complicated. It’s moves and countermoves. DeSantis is, was and will always be a POLITICIAN first.
The US Presidency is TRUMP’s for the taking. NOT DeSantis and his *polished* GOPe handlers.
But.. if DeSantis wants to make FLORIDA great while he vies for national prominence, have at it. Too bad he’s not genuine MAGA, but hey, he has proven to be a decent GOVERNOR. (Why not fix election fraud in Florida while you’re at it, Ron? Show me the MAGA!)
Now, in light of that GOPe backstabbing these past few weeks, it makes perfect sense why PRESIDENT Trump has distanced himself from GOV DeSantis, and vice versa.
Voters need discernment no doubt about it. However, to knee cap a governor running for a re-election this November with hit piece after hit piece convincing folks with no discernment to abandon him thereby throwing the election to Crist is self sabotaging to say the least.
Again, this type of circular firing squad is what has cost us election after election because we are looking for purity and finally end up with the people we have now. My point is, why can’t Sundance focus his research and hit piece on the senate and house races and make those MAGA candidates win first? Is that too much to ask?
DeSantis is worse than Murkowski……he’s a silent copperhead, laying and waiting to bite until Aug 8. Murkowski has no chance to divide and destroy MAGA…she’s been shaking her rattlers for years and no one is fooled.
DeSantis is slick…..gotta give him credit. He will probably succeed in dividing MAGA, kamikaze-ing Trump, and putting Sleep Joe and Kamala back in for four more disastrous years.
How many more cards does DeSantis have to show before you accept that Sundance is right about him?
There you go folks. This is the mentality that we have to deal with. People that think that the likes of Lisa M. Is not a problem but a governor that have been working for the state is Florida is.
People like Lisa M. were a big obstruction to President Trumps agenda. They sided time and time again with the liberals to derail his agenda and were openly outspoken against him at every turn. But, why bother working to get rid of them because they are known quantity. We should focus on a governor working for the state of Florida and running for re-election and tear him down because we anticipate that he will run for the highest office of the land. Or that he shares a handshake and laughs with some establishment fellows. Has it even occurred to some of you that if he plans to run, he may be planning to use their structure to win first. Everyone can’t be rich as Trump. Even Trump held fundraisers too. Some of them joined his cabinet too (memory refresher).
So, we put Charlie Crist in as Gov., so we can say Sun Dance showed us that Charlie Tuna Crist was a better choice?
I don’t know what the big deal is all about. If Trump is on the ticket, and got 80 million votes in the last election, why are you worried about a RINO beating him in the primary? I’m not worried at all, IF Trump is on the ticket, It doesn’t matter who runs against him, he is going to win. He has my vote if he is on the ticket. That is why the club is not going to allow him to be on the ticket. Put 20 DeSantis’s on the ticket with Trump. He still wins.
So, we need to let DeSantis defeat the dem Crist before we attack him. Lose DeSantis as governor of Fl, and you may lose FL in the Presidential election.
If he is just running for re-election in Florida, why the gigantic effort to raise his profile nationally, and why money-raise from billionaires living in NJ?
I seriously question his motives.
You need to get a grip. DeSantis has shown his true colors. He’s running for President and doesn’t give a rats ass about Florida. Florida at this point is a lame, smoke belching 72 Ford Pinto with bald tires he’s coasting downhill in to get to the 2022 Cadillac that he will then drive to the White House.
He’s backstabbing Donald Trump and MAGA, and you seem to be fine with that.
You’re worried about Crist…big deal. I’m worried about DeSantis splitting MAGA and putting Joe Biden and Kamala back in office in 2024.
Get off DeSantis….he’s exposed.
It is YOU and the likes of you who is splitting MAGA. YOU are a paid provocateur sent by the DNC, aren’t you. How much Soros pay YOU?
Murkawski and Crist are “no big deal” to you, obviously. That’s a huge tell. Go back to YOUR handlers, pal. YOU are exposed.
To support Desantis for governor is not so bad. We had a similar problem here in Texas back when Rick Perry was governor. He was fairly conservative—all things considered— and his gubernatorial opponent was Wendy Davis, a.k.a. abortion Barbie. I mean who are you gonna choose: Rick Perry or abortion Barbie? At the state level, you can control a governor’s bad impulses more easily than you can at the National level. But when they put on the “Ring of Power” at the national level, there’s almost no stopping them (As ol’ Larry Nichols said about Bill and Hillary way back in the 90’s).
The one thing that really hacked me off about Perry was the Gardacil vaccine mandate (Texans will recall this). At the time, I wrote the Gardacil thing off as ill considered old fashioned sleazy pol stuff. It looks a lot more sinister in hindsight, given what we’ve been through the last couple years.
So, support Trump, Trump, Trump! Let’s pray God raises up another champion after he is gone.
I don’t live in Florida but I’m wondering if DeSantis is being bullied. Maybe he’s caught between a rock and a hard place. Maybe he’s being threatened. Or maybe his family is being threatened which would definitely be his weak spot. Maybe they are setting him up.
If Governor DeSantis is being coerced in any serious way, the right course of action would be to bow out. Then announce publicly who was threatening him and what they demanded.
Why bow out? The right course would be to do what Gaetz did. Go public, and name names. Over a year later, Gaetz is riding high, his extortionist guilty by plea (albeit to a lesser charge).
Ok, if he’s strong enough to do both. I had the impression that DeSantis is financially lacking and totally dependent upon the corporate / billionaire mega donors to run.
DeSantis needs to see that if he reject corporate donors, makes that public, and appeals to the citizens to help him win, not only will he have all the support he needs, he’ll be free to represent the people and not the special interests. Why does almost no candidate ever see that?
That was the choice he had and made. As SD wrote, “they” saw the financial weakness and jump in to the ‘rescue’.
Everyone in life can look back and recognize the moment in time whereby they were at a fork in the road and they had to choose, and did, the pathway forward.
RDS did and he chose the global corps, hedge funds, Wall Street $$$$.
RDS made the choice. There’s no real turning back now.
RDS chose to leave deplorables off his donor list.
Biggest mistake RDS could make in his political career given populism is the biggest USA political movement today (MAGA/AF) and still rising.
RDS left We The People.
I support him for FL governor. That’s it.
at this point, I only support him for FL Gov because of who his opponent is…..not that it matters as I do not have a vote…….by his actions he has displayed disloyalty to PDJT and the MAGA movement and trust lost is VERY hard to regain
The problem is that DeSantis’ long game isn’t to serve, it’s to get rich. And that will not come from the grassroots, that will come from doing the bidding of those he has chosen to side with.
He is financially lacking, most of his net worth is owed to the equity in his home.
Probably.
He’s in the wrong line of business if he cant stand up to the bullies. He only need to look at Trump for an example of what to do when the bullies come knocking. That is if you are correct about that possibility. Personally I dont think he’s being bullied. I think his ambition for the big chair is about to make him make a career ending mistake.
Agree. Also think it will be a career ending mistake in due time. He’ll be another dime-a-dozen RINO that 45 will plow over in any debate, although he’s practicing one-word renaming of people, ‘elf” – Fauci. Yes, he’s copying 45 on that, but he’s no match one-on-one with 45. Remember — Rosie? Still laughing at that!
Donald Trump is a billionaire whose campaign did not need corporate donor financing. He also received a record number of private donations from American voters.
GOV DeSantis could be in a very sweet spot indeed, if he would only stand down and *assist* President Trump, instead of wooing GOPe corporate donors for his own shot at the title.
Ron was bought off by the Club for Growth to vote for TPP. I doubt he is being threatened.
Exactly. He wants to run for President. 2nd term in Florida is just stepping stone at this point.
DeSantis’ Financials don’t reflect being bought by club for growth for that vote. I’m not saying they wasn’t vote buying over TPP, but don’t think he was a recipient. All but 5 house members voted for fast track, sounds to me more like party loyalty. Perhaps a promise of a committee assignment, but probably not much more than that.
So no money or or actual immediate bribes But a promise potential of future benefits.
So not cash but loyalty
That might be worse, it shows a deep commitment
I don’t think people realize that TPP eliminates our economic sovereignty. It hands over all future US economic policies and decisions to a foreign collective, just like EU.
Now, why would USA contract to subvert our own economy and economic well-being to a New World Order?
He is being groomed for his Presidential run which will start on day one of his second gubernatorial term.
He probably wants to be President and the allure of all that power.
It’s better for the rest of the US if DeSantis loses Florida.
It will be bad for Florida in the short term, but we have to look for the long term and big picture.
No, it would be better if you stop you propaganda and go back to Sharia Blue and Soros.
W/the influx of transplants if Ron loses Florida it will never be close to being red again. Transplants move and then continue to vote blue. It never fails.
This tells us all we need to know about DeSantis, doesn’t it? The strings from the puppeteer are clearly visible.
… and if the club somehow succeeds in getting Trump out of the game using DeSantis as bait for the Republican base, they’ll turn on the Florida governor so fast your head will spin only to back someone like Pompeo for the ‘24 nomination.
DeSantis is being led down the Primrose path.
I hope he wakes the hell up because he and PDJT need to be allies two years from now, but my optimism for that prospect is waning.
Great catch SD!
The Pompeo aspect scares the crap out of me. Really good point. Excellent point.
He’s part of the club. They want him.
OH Sh**…
Good point Clivus.
Message: “Loyalty, Schmoyalty. I don’t care if New Yorkers have to suffer under that crazy witch lady as long as my career is advanced!”
That’s “leadership”, Ron?
I was so suspect of this when it happened. Ron has been on his “I am the best gov in the country” tour and lovin it. Why stop suddenly and pull out “last minute” for a “tragedy” that happened a few weeks before with a funeral planned 5 days prior… he could have gotten to on Monday morning after a Sunday night fundraiser. Like SD says, suspicious cat was suspicious…
It’s not even “suspicion” anymore.
It just is.
He should be running his own race instead of trying to market his brand all over the country. He’s jumped the shark at this point. Bad look.
Yes. Zeldin’s kinda’ squishy himself, but that’s not the point.
DeSantis is angling for CINC, probably as a Trump alternative, and showing that he’ll obey for money.
I’ve been a staunch DeSantis supporter, I’m not where Sundance is but I am starting to listen. The optics on this are bad. Kathy Hochul attacking DeSantis and Florida yesterday are also bad optics.
Been. HUUUUGE Desantis fan- love affair is officially over – partnering with the epa / Feds and electric vehicle HOAX to me cements my thoughts after having been skeptical about his sudden silence on PDJT raid- his election integrity division is also a SCAM- why Not just order an Audit ?
We have giant surpluses from all the Moron states closing Down-
Another takes the cash and turns on America / PDJT
Unreal
Breitbart didn’t do any investigating. Reportage and comments sounds like tiger beat story on a rock star.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/29/ron-desantis-backed-out-lee-zeldin-fundraiser-honor-fallen-officer/
Breitbart lives here.
TigerBeat….Good times…good memories…LOL but excellent analogy
In the immortal words of the Seer Sonny Bono, “The Beat Goes On”.
RFLMAO!!! LOVE THIS!! THANK YOU!! Humor to my day..oh and sweet memories of Leif Garret and Shaun Cassidy!!
From the same era, it would be enjoyable to see Alfred E. Neuman’s Mad Magazine do a “Lighter Side” piece on DeSantis.
Sorry to the SMART gals who visit here:
Following the money.
Among the “things that make you go Hmmmmmm”.
I now understand it. RD was too good to be true.
John Cardillo is originally from New York and is a BIG supporter of DeSantis.
What does he have to say about this $400,000.00 donation to Hochul?
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If Democrat Charlie Crist becomes governor of Florida I think we’ll all know who to blame. Right now, DeSantis is not running for president. Right now, Trump has not declared that he is running for president. The only race Sundance is affecting is the race for governor of Florida.
There is a time and place for everything. This is not the time to destroy DeSantis and help a Democrat get elected. If and when Trump and DeSantis declare they are running for president then bring out the big guns. All you are doing right now is helping Charlie Crist.
You just called MAGA a buncha idiots, that they’re too stupid to handle the truth and decide wisely, so you must decide for them.
So you can handle the truth but other people can’t?
I don’t really think Sundance will hand Florida to Crist. But we need to know who this guy is. Now.
Lol. Just look at all the posts here. People are now virulently anti-DeSantis. The less votes for DeSantis the fewer fake votes the Democrats have to make up to steal the election. There’s plenty of time to point out all of DeSantis flaws after he is reelected governor of Florida.
No, not really.
You want us to NOT Believe our “Lyin’ Eyes”?
DeSantis needs to get his head outta his Azzzzz and make up his mind if he is for MAGA or for the Establishment; can’t have his cake and eat it too.
Sundance is NOT reporting anything negative on DeSantis. DeSantis is doing that all by himself; actions speak louder than words.
Sundance just lays it all out there. You decide.
Apparently, RDS couldn’t wait until after the election to do what he’s been doing.
RSD chose the time, and as indicated on tweets SD posted a few days ago, he has been working on the path he chose since at least 1/6 (not sure if it was 2021 or 2022).
RSD’S choices are in his choice of time.
No one but RSD did this. He brought all of this on himself first, but think what he did to Floridians or the rest of the deplorables nationwide.
RDS has really, really screwed up. I hope he gets re-elected, but I hope to never see him in the Oval.
Why now? You have 2 years to learn who he is. The election is not tomorrow. Why help Crist? Nuts is what it is.
Just keep doing what we have done for decades or even a century and things will change….Is that the plan you are proposing?
Count me out on all efforts to promote DeSantis as a potential POTUS unless he STRONGLY demonstrates he is not bought and paid for during his second term as Governor of Florida.
Indeed. If the myth continues, the call for DeSantis to declare against Trump, or even to be the subordinate on the ticket in 24, will continue to grow. Imho, that is why the truth about DeSantis must be told early and often.
I still like DeSantis for Governor. He has just shown us he is not MAGA, if his donors tell him he is not MAGA.
That’s fine and I agree. I’m voting Trump over DeSantis 100 times out of 100. But that’s not even on the table right now. My concern is all this DeSantis bashing causes us to lose Florida to the Democrats.
Shouldn’t you be talking to RDS about his actions?
Why should you be pushing treepers to overlook what RDS is by his own actions doing?
Seems like you are ok with RDS actions. Educated treepers aren’t. Stop trying to convince us to censor ourselves. We aren’t going to.
Truth is truth. RSD actions are his actions, his choices.
We aren’t buying your scheme, which is a typical RINO/MItch/Uniparty scheme. We are way, way, way beyond that.
That gig is up.
So, explain to me why he’s running all over the country marketing his “brand” with endorsements, as if his “brand” has put him in the same league with Trump? HE should be running his OWN race, as opposed to projecting that his race is a given.
This is a very bad look, and there’s no getting away from it. He appears to have lost control of it all.
I don’t disagree that DeSantis is not MAGA or America First. But that’s not the next election. Right now its DeSantis or Crist. If Crist becomes governor of Florida we’re in even deeper doodoo. Bash DeSantis all you want AFTER he wins reelection in Florida.
As I have previously posted….by then, the Ron propaganda will have taken hold and there will be no undoing it…but I suspect you know that already.
Totally agree. He knows exactly what he is doing, as he answers each and every post, just like James did, just like “somebody” did. All from the same cloth.
Governor DeSantis is flexing his National prospects against MAGA King President Trump, even though his actions may hurt his re-election? That doesn’t sound like a man who cares if he wins over MAGA voters for re-election.
I’ll bet Gov DeSantis would not be so careless with his MAGA base, had he made election integrity his top priority in Florida. Which he didn’t.
Exactly. He is already running for President. On the backs of his Florida electorate.
Sundance doesn’t play political games. He won’t lie or withhold information to help a candidate.
So far, Sundance has pointed out who is backing DeSantis for a national campaign. That doesn’t include the Florida Governor race. Sundance has written positive articles on DeSantis’s actions in Florida that affect Floridians.
DeSantis has done better than most Republican governors during the Plandemic. He’s not MAGA, but in a nation overloaded with RINOs and Leftwing Suckups all pretending to be “for the people”, he’s been notably stronger in rejecting the politically correct narratives.
True GB, but my concern is that Sundance’s opinion is important to a lot of people. If some of them think “what’s the point in voting for another RINO” then we’re gonna get stuck with a Democrat governor in Florida.
If people believe Sundance’s opinion (and Sundance has been backing his observations with verifiable facts) is important, then they best read him completely and literally. He has not suggested in any way that DeSantis is not the best choice for Governor in this coming election. And if anyone interprets Sundance’s observabout the national GOP and presidential campaign as meaning to not vote to re-elect DeSantis as Governor, then I can’t help them.
But if DeSantis has intentions of running in 2024, then he won’t be staying in Florida very long. If I lived in Florida, I’d definitely vote for him this fall. Let the future unfold and make decisions based on the facts.
Don’t be mad at us. Focus your anger on DeSantis. If you live in Florida, call his campaign and complain.
Truth Has No Agenda.
I have always been suspicious of DeSantis and his ambition, but I’m like you. I’m concerned all these revelations at this time will turn too many people away from DeSantis in November. That’s why when I agree with any of the negative things written about DeSantis I always make it clear that I will be voting for him for Governor, but not for him if he runs and betrays Trump.
Ron wont do Florida dirty if reelected Gov. I have a feeling he will do us all dirty though if elected Pres.
Yup, that’s my worry about dampening enthusiasm for DeSantis. Trump over DeSantis is an easy call but we’re not there yet. We need people to vote DeSantis over Crist right now. Showing all the warts on DeSantis two months before his reelection is really poor strategy. I don’t care if Sundance bashes him everyday after he wins reelection as long as he wins reelection first.
Why is De$anti$ flying around the country if the Florida race is so tight.
He’s in danger of losing and every promoted speech is “look at me”.
Win your state, stay in your lane, maybe call President Trump and set up some rallies in FLORIDA.
Ask for MAGA help, not NY liberals.
What do you mean it MAGA might turn off supporters of De$anti$ ???????
Oh for an edit button lol. Please ignore “it” in the last line
There is an edit button. It’s in the little gear thingy in the lower right of your comment.
Your wish is granted!
Thank you
Yep, the Top Gun commercial was ridiculous
I think if you take a poll you’ll find that many people now not supporting DeSantis aren’t even from Florida so will have no outcome on the race.
IMO people who support DeSantis better hope Floridians don’t notice how they are suffering monetarily and get out and vote for DeSantis. That could be his real achilles heel with Florida voters.
Why is DeSantis not responsible for his own actions like campaigning in places like Pennsylvania to raise his profile instead of in Florida?
If this is “not the time or place,” then maybe it’s also not the time or place for Ron DeSantis to be campaigning out of state — for Governor?? — when he should be paying attention to his re-election in Florida. But where’s he been? Arizona, Pennsylvania? It doesn’t seem like he’s campaigning for Governor at this point, so maybe y0u should direct your “there’s a time and a place” lecture at RDS.
RSD decided on this time & place — not SD.
Keep up with the timeline of events.
THIS is RSD’s timeline — not SD’s.
The Decepticons working overtime. Trump knows the game. DeSantis is running their playbook. I never felt comfortable – too predictable and too cocky.
DeSantis. He doesn’t believe the 2020 election was stolen.
DeSantis is NOT America First MAGA.
He is an imposter.
Per fundraiser info above. The party still went on @ $25,000 per. Expected to make 1 million. Hope it did and then some.
If RDS makes good and returns, I hope Zelden collects some more.
DeSantis is owned by NOT “the Chamber of Commerce.”
Joe Cayre, in the video below, explains his fealty to a foreign power.
https://www.chabad.org/therebbe/livingtorah/player_cdo/aid/640812/jewish/A-Happy-Ending.htm
DeSantis and his ilk slurp at the trough, and are thereby owned. He’s NOT about “GOPe” or “big business.” He’s about the hostile foreign power that milks $10billion a year, year after year, from American coffers.
It’s already not looking good For DeSantis. He should have not gone with the GOP club. These guys are apparently as inept as Joe Biden is.
Yep. He Should have built his ties to the MAGA grassroots. Then, move to funding.
File that under “DeSantis Judgement Ability”.
Is DeSantis being cagey and a little bit slimly? Looks that way. Can he be salvaged?
Remember that President Trump was “with her” at one time.
Purity isn’t possible in politics, and MAGA doesn’t negate the influence of big money. This is going to be a long, complicated fight.
DeSantis’ national branding efforts just exposed a member of the East coast leftist political mob, Joseph Cayre.
know the enemy
Have been emailing all Sundance’s info to friends and family in NY & FL… Seems everyone loves DeS – just want to make them aware and pay attention! Reminding them not to forget – Bush – Romney – McCain et al… Whew!
I will withhold judgement on the Florida governor until PDJT weighs in.
At this point in time PDJT is the ONLY one I trust……except of course Sundance!
Shades of Chris Christie? Maybe.
Everyone is in the shade of Chris Christie.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
ISWYDT..
only when the shade is upwind
I got a check in the mail for Zelden. Hockey Head is the worst Jerry, the worst.
Lesson: Trust no one. Maintain a healthy scepticism of the culture warriors fighting on the cultural front lines. It may just be a diversion while they are selling us out back in camp. And if DeSantis will so easily abandon Zeldin, how long will it take him to abandon us? Electric buses indeed. How long before we hear him utter the word “equity”?
Trump 2024
2022.
In hindsight, I see the same thing was true of then Texas governor Rick Perry. Perry was conservative as those things go, but the Gardacil mandate looks more and more sinister, given what we’re living through now.
The smartest thing about Perry was his hair, and this from a guy who voted for him. Me.
Yeah, I voted for him too. And who can forget the Trans Texas Corridor!
The thing is, if these governors are kept at the state level, the citizenry can scream bloody murder and stop crazy stuff like the Gardacil mandate and the TTC. But once they’ve grasped the Ring of Power in DC, we’re facing a whole different level of attack.
Remember the Tea Party!
It’s nice to see Lee Zeldin getting support/sympathy from Treepers. I got slapped around on here quite a bit for voting for him in the primary. I forgive you. 🙂
Note Astorino and A. Guiliani who also ran in the primary have since done some campaigning with and put their support behind Zeldin. They wouldn’t have had to do that even for appearance’s sake.
Lastly, it will be interesting to see if this does indeed get rescheduled. Time will tell… where RD’s loyalties lay.
I remember Zeldin from impeachment. He wasn’t a mic grabber, stayed in the background a lot, but put in the work. He sat in on Schiff’s hearings in the basement more than many of the others, he was a work horse and sharp as a tack. I always wanted to hear what he had to say.
Back then I didn’t even know who he was, but I soon found out. I don’t know much more about him. I’ve heard all the rino rumors, etc., but honestly have no idea. I do know he may not be perfect, but he would be a far better Governor than Hochul
better a half a loaf of bread than a
Hochul crap sandwich!
Half of a half is a quarter. The other side keeps coming back til all you got is the stale, crumbling heal.
And Mitch and McCarthy will tell you how fortunate you are to have it.
Sad, but all the usual sheep in the comments everywhere think “Ron” is a Loyal Boss and great guy for cancelling Lee Zeldin and going to a funeral. He is a Fake
I hear there’s a sweet deal on a few dozen slightly charred public transit buses on the net.
As soon as I heard the news my skeptical cat come out
Wow!
Catturd is really gonna be *&itting his pants today!!
Watch out Sundance!!
Battered conservative syndrome is hard to watch. Bada BING.. Bada BOOM! Eventually they will learn.
The question we should ask is –
How much did Ron DeSantis get from billionaire real estate developer Joseph Cayre? We won’t know, it’s only between DeSantis and Cayre. It had better be worth it for DeSantis to cancel the fundraiser for “fellow Republican” Lee Zeldin.
So, how much is Ron DeSantis his own man? To drop Lee Zeldin like this, DeSantis’ ambition to be the King Maker takes an awful hit.
We may not know the amount right now, but we will soon enough. He has to report donations.
It’s time for MAGA candidates to tell the truth about DeSantis and the splitter strategy, then univite him to speak at these rallies.
I have defended DeSantis, he’s my Governor. I’ve repeatedly stated my concern with bashing him and dampening the vote for his reelection. I’ve never promoted him for 2024 or him over Trump for POTUS.
I have nothing to say in defense of this, nothing. When the cancelation was announced I thought something happened to a member of his family or close friend, like had just happened. When the memorial service story came out, I thought boy that sure sounds fishy and apparently it is.
I will state unequivocally that I still prefer DeSantis over Crist for Governor.
“I will state unequivocally that I still prefer DeSantis over Crist for Governor.” As does Sundance.
Electric buses. Geesh, DeSantis really had gone over to the dark side. No governor should be supporting the phony globull warming scam by buying electric buses. All of his fights against the left’s social BS is for naught if he’s gonna support the “Build Back Better” world wide agenda of the leftists. Looks like there isn’t any real difference between him and Crist after all.
Municipal transit programs funded by the Feds are primarily wealth transfers. I was involved with one in NC – it has been running for nearly 10 years with buses 95% empty. They bought new ones about 5 years in, with tinted windows so people would stop complaining about the empty buses running all over town burning up fossil fuel. Private companies (aka political donors) get the no-bid contracts for purchase and maintenance.
The only way electric buses will be viable is if we build quite a few new nuclear reactors and beef up the electric grid.
Also, battery technology has to improve quite a bit before any electric vehicles become useful
We’re a long way from that. Fifty years at least. No Green Ordeal for me!
DeSantis is not the conservative hero the fake media is painting him as…. Look at the RINO hacks he endorsed in the Florida primaries!!! He’s a sellout being plopped in to deflate Trump!
Sundance thank you again for informing us of the true motives of others.How little would I know without your insights.After many years of reading your comments I still find myself being amazed at the info provided.Politics is brutal.No one is as they appear.We must all try to see the strings directing the actor.That way we know their masters.
Watch Noem – she is a female DeSantis…..
Sundance has already warned us about Noem.
Is this really shocking? No it isn’t. The only way a MAGA candidate can win without the support of Republican donors is if that candidate is independently wealthy. Otherwise you are part of the club. Remember Scott Walker? He couldn’t get to the right of Trump on immigration back in 2016 because his open borders billionaire benefactor forbade it.
The frustration here is that there is no other Trump on the bench, one who can self-finance AND be squeaky clean enough to avoid a federal indictment.
If Trump runs for president Desantis will not.
They don’t need to self finance. If they are the real deal, we will fund them via small and some large donations.
Gal 5:13-15
“For, brethren, you have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as yourself. But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another.”
If anyone believes that their future rests in the hands of a President Trump or a Governor DeSantis , then truly, truly, what you know and what you think you know are as disparate as zero and absolute zero.
Trust God. Fear not.
At least it’s good that we see this before the election.
The insinuation that Desantis canceled because he met with some billionaire has ZERO evidence behind it.
Joseph Carye is a real estate guy that grew up in and lived in Florida for at least 20 years and has built recent huge projects in Miami. Not wanting to pay the subscription to to Grains NY Business I couldn’t even confirm that Desantis met with Carye but it sure wouldn’t be a surprise. Trump Donated to politicians on both sides also.
Once a politician has been bought and paid for, it’s very hard to convince people that you’re not bought and paid for.
THIS information is downright damning.
There is no way around it.
RDS left MAGA deplorables when he CHOSE to not have us fund him.
MAGA deplorables didn’t choose to leave RSD. RSD made that choice for us (not the gov race, but 2024 PREZ race).
Concerning these RDS critiques, Diminutive Dave Reaboi hadn’t been this upset since they put his weight lifting protein powder on the third shelf from the floor down at the local GNC.
Have you seen the videos of electric buses in Europe? They spontaneously erupt in flames.
DeSantis should stay out of the NE. There is nothing good there for him. Even the money is tainted.
He should stay out of the NE, but he didn’t. He likes that tainted money.
He needs that tainted money. Hence why I can’t back him. Others know this but refuse to accept reality.
Oh, so your going to back Charlie Crist? DeSantis has been a great Florida Governor, and I suggest you consider where Florida would be now if Guillum was our leader.
Isn’t it amazing how DeSantis has the bullseye on him yet there are many more who it should be on.
Something smells to high heaven when there are so many articles about DeSantis coming from so many people.
This place has been infected with the Dutch elm disease from the top down.
Yeah why doesn’t SunDance despise Ron, he’s a great Governor so far. Sundance, name the better Govs than Desantis, thanks.
you are entirely missing the point…….
Dude, you’re a racist! Racist! Racist!
Is this racist too?
https://www.the-sun.com/news/734448/sex-pills-crystal-meth-dem-andrew-gillum-rehab-male-escort-hospital/
Keep him in the sunshine state where he is doing well. Prepare for backstabbing but you keep him.
Sounds like a deal! And you find a Presidential office holder who actually knows who is on his side and who isn’t; one who actually delivers on cleaning up DC. Tired of this BS from all quarters. Real eff’ing leadership that produces bona fide results is needed – yesterday. Not the white horse with an empty saddle.
You take that attitude into the election and try to take on Trump talking like that, y’all will go down in flames bigly and epicly.
Now, let’s talk about Judy. Or, as you call it Jao De.
You obviously miss the point.
Tired of belaboring the obvious.
There is 0 chance of Ron “cleaning up” DC. Zip.
Ron seems likeable, and often says the right things.
Ron should stay in Florida, he is a big improvement on his predecessors.
That being said, I also don’t trust Ron.
He simply doesn’t have the right enemies yet, to be POTUS.
This situation may change, but I doubt it will.
A bit of a knee-jerk reaction, don’t you think? No one here is advocating for Crist. And many here would still back DeSantis for Governor of Florida unless a more Maga option were available. It’s just few here will back DeSantis for President. The fact that the GOPe is courting him should give everyone pause.
DeS went to a very private big money fundraiser in UT in the middle of July. Utah$$$ = Romney=RiNO or worse.
This makes no sense.
Why is GOPe palatable for FL but not for everyone outside FL? In effect, what you are communicating is that in and of itself GOPe is ok (it mutates, or there are different flavors, or damaging FL doesn’t damage us/the higher cause, or GOPe is a known bad but it can be trusted to ensure election integrity in FL, whatever the brain trust thinks it means,), but when it comes to national elections GOPe is unilaterally and unequivocally unacceptable.
Judas is ok for you FL plebs. But for our higher cause, Judas doesn’t have a seat at the supper table.
I suggest you watch DeSantis. He is not as he seems.
Sometimes the obvious evil results in people repenting and demanding real change. The deceptive evil leads people to be apathetic with no real change.
That’s a false false dichotomy, an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available.. You can see him for his good points and his not so good ones…………. I find him to be a soft RINO but, of course, would vote for him were I in Florida
Nice try! Sure there are multiple options. The problem is the slippery slope being employed. It’s urine poor when it comes to being a decision quality principle.
By all means, he should stay as Governor for a second term.
Nobody is talking about shunning Ron as Gov, and NOBODY wants Crist the whore.
So your voting for Obama hugging Turncoat Charlie?
I suspect Jeanette is talking about DeSantis 2024 presidential run, not his “Top Gov” re-election.
bunch of thick headed posters here tonight
That’s precisely what happens when people get far too emotional and they aren’t able to follow what’s actually happening right in front of them. People’s rational thinking abilities these days seem to be waning, long COVID perhaps?
Eyes wide open is all.
Might be those mRNA brain “edits” too. Talk about invasion of the body snatchers!
What’s the difference? DeSantis isn’t stopping the Green New Deal! He’s taking liberal money! Why isn’t he taking conservative money?
It is all of the same money.
Floridians have been ignored on Election Security and many other issues, Hence no mountains of “Save America” small dollar donations, so this is the path of least resistance.
Ignore on election security? And ‘on many other issues?’ False, and you know that.
Learn before you speak. DeSantis is NOT what he seems.
Says you.
The Black Plastic Contraptions From Hell are still counting the votes. The SunCoast Parkway no long time residents want is being rammed through (The Northern Extensions have been tabled, until after mid terms), The Medical Cannabis Cartel benefits no one but the State, Big Money investors like John Morgan and Big Pharma, and DeSantis was supposed to fix the system and he has only made it worse! James, did you transition??
Charlie Crist and Chris Christy and two different idiots.
These Are The Days, My Friend – of Picking One’s Road, and the Time of Turning Back is now Gone.
They’ve entered the Twilight Zone of folks who have “strange lighting” and “lustrous luminating inspirations” spiraling out into the larger Universe of Brilliant Ideas.
Cultural MAGA is a stepping stone to RINO
Cultural Marxist is a stepping stone to Marxism
Switching to electric buses might save money in the short term, however as soon as the batteries crap out they become a huge liability. They do not save any energy — large diesels are about 45% efficient and power plants may be 55 to 60, but when you add in transmission and charging losses, it is better to transport the fuel and burn it locally. Most energy is still made by combustion, so you’re not saving anything in terms of pollutants or energy.
Florida does not have the same air quality problem that Southern California or Denver does, the prevailing wind sweeps the crap out to sea. Florida does not have enough land to get rid of the toxic material from which the batteries are created, so in 8 to 10 years this will be a self inflicted environmental debacle. But the buses which don’t burst into flame will be quiet, so there is that.
If instead the buses were diesel-electric the issues would be greatly mitigated. The instant torque and regeneration capability of the electric motor combined with the efficiency and longevity of the diesel engine would last for the forseable future. The disadvantage is that you pay for two drive trains.
But this is not about sensible environmental policy, it is about virtue signaling for political gain and monetary rewards from corrupt douches who run insider trading schemes on Wall Street.
That’s good, NHBandit.
And educational, too — for those of us whose bailiwick runs along different lines.
Thank you.
Yes.
I agree about the diesel-electric – but Florida did not get them.
Florida is getting what was offered.
Palm Beach County wins on both allotments, the Palm Beach Post (USA Today owned) will still b*tch that it’s not enough.
RD could crap 24K gold bars and they would complain that they weighed too much.
On another item—look where the money is coming from. The VW settlement that was about as bogus a law suit ever. Now everyone that buys any brand under the VW banner world wide gets to pay for this.
Hello Edink, the VW lawsuit was definately not bogus. VW deliberately installed defeat device software in its cars to detect when it was being tested, and then it switched to a different (compliant) engine management program. Otherwise it ran super-dirty. And the whole time VW was advertising “clean diesel” while belching out more NOX and particulate than a diesel pickup truck. Then they deliberately lied to the EPA and sent everybody on a wild goose chase claiming that the testing was flawed, etc, while the whole time they knew they were lying. And the crazy thing is they did all this to promote diesel, which is truly dirty and polluting, over gas, which is cleaner burning. They claim gas has more CO2 emmissions, and this is all they care about in Europe, while they fill the air with diesel particulate which you can see all over cars and street signs in Europe, burns your throat and truly causes cancer and respiratory illness
Been driving a diesel for many years your statement about them being dirty lacks candor.
If your statement “burns your throat and truly causes cancer and respiratory illness” was true there would be people dead people lining the roads of Trinidad due to that is all they burn due to gov subs.
We will agree to disagree.
I’m in the wholesale car business, got my hands on a factory chipped car and never took it to a VW dealership for anything. Still driving it, and it passes state emissions. Humble opinion, yes it was overblown.
You get better mpg so less emissions, the whole thing was the EPA sue and settle scam.
The main issue was NOx emissions, which forms the brownish dome you see over the San Gabriel valley when you fly into LAX. Soot emissions were negligible, they were after power and fuel economy which you get when you run hot and the soot gets burned up. NOx goes through the roof, though. I had a Jetta TDI and it was great — fully loaded going 90 mph across Montana and pulling down 45 MPG. Small animals would keel over in our wake, but 300 ft-lbs (after a Malone reflash) meant I never shifted for a hill.
In all seriousness, though, if you added up all the emissions from all the vehicles in question it would be less than the yearly emissions of a single coal fired power plant. Which China brings on line twice a month. So if you’re trying to save the world, you are looking in the wrong place. The fraud was an issue, and for that they got nailed.
It was really a problem with the culture of VW, and Bob Lutz pointed it out in a Car and Driver (I think) interview. Lutz was at a conference with one of the heads of VW and he asked about how they solved a panel fitment issue, the VW guy said “I brought all the engineers into my office and said if they did not fix it I would find someone who would”, so they fixed it. Similarly, because VW did not want to license BluTec from Daimler, those lower level guys who were threatened with termination because the boss asked for something impossible thermochemically, “fixed” the problem by making a cycle beater. Culture was the problem, not technology.
There is that ….
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So, not one ‘environmentalist’ learned the asbestos lesson . . .?
“Florida does not have the same air quality problem that Southern California or Denver does.”
That statement is not totally true, Florida doesn’t have the mountains trapping the air as SoCal does, but the wind is not always out to sea. The wind direction changes during the day due to surface temps anyone that lives there knows this.
Then there’s Orlando in the summer, dead still.
Letourneau power!
http://www.giantsforgod.com/rg-letourneau/
You called it! This nails it.