Again, it must consistently be repeated – trust nothing from western or Russian state media about the issues in the Ukraine conflict. Everyone is shaping the war narrative to fit their agenda. Question everything you see and hear, wait to get the fulsome picture, and eventually the truth will surface.
An example today follows a U.S. and Western media claim that Russia arbitrarily targeted a shopping center in the capital city of Kyiv (Kiev). According to the narrative, this is an example of Russian military brutality and arbitrary shelling of civilians. SEE NBC REPORT:
However, the issues are not as clear as the western narrative would have us believe. As noted in the report above, the Russians fired missiles into the shopping center during the late-night early-morning hours when no one was shopping, and the stores were closed. Why was it targeted? Take a look at the pictures below:
Yes, when a war is taking place and you use a shopping center as an area to conceal heavy armor and armored vehicles, you turn that shopping center into an authentic target for attack. If a military hides amid a civilian population, they are putting the civilian population at risk.
This is not to say Vladimir Putin was justified in his decision to invade Ukraine. However, it is also not okay for western media to claim a moral high-horse and then conceal how the facility was being used by the Ukraine military.
hid military equipment in a shopping mall. this technique also fired from positions next to the mall.https://t.co/N26PyGNtz1 pic.twitter.com/HtvvTED7CP
— Александр Гуркин (@lexandrGurkin) March 21, 2022
I am skeptical of everything from the media…Even the TV guide listings…
Sad but so true!!! lol
When the weather calls for clear skies, I look out the window, I distrust the media so much.
They are even trying to scare you with the weather constantly. My weather apps on my phone have constant “Weather advisories” or “alerts.” It gets annoying! I just look at the sky and decide on my own what to do. It seems like they want us nervous or fearful every minute of every day. Well, to hell with them!
TV guide listings that is so the yellow pages era.
How about try MSM headlines that read like a Twitter Feed’s 128 byte limit of just a decade ago.
IMHO far too many people read current event news headlines like zombies reading Netflix’s placards of what to watch. Hours on end.
The scary thing is my belief that they actually come away as, “If they watched the movie. Or, in this case read the article.”
And are thus informed.
Re “I am skeptical of everything from the media…”
I’m skeptical of people who say they’re skeptical of everything from the media but obviously have no plans to quit watching TV…
I cut the cord in 2005! 17 years ago! Is Jackie Gleason and Red Skelton still funny?
1974……haven’t owned a TV since.
Conside.. even RT News mods. it seems are infiltrate++d by Big Farma.. they just deleted this, when referring to Oz disinfo on th.e injections as.. safe, effective, tested..
3.9.22. The Pfizer injections haveDdIFFERENT 1291 side effects, according to data released by FDA under a Court Order. FDA had demanded no data release for 75 years!
Video: Graphene Oxide: A Toxic Substance in the Vial of the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine? By Ricardo Delgado and Prof Michel Chossudovsky Global Research, January 19, 2022.
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko. The mRNA injections HAVE AIDS!
Swedish study 2.28.22 demonstrated and confirmed that the mRNA in the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid injections infiltrate cells and transcribes its message onto human DNA within 6 hours, altering our own DNA
Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Autopsies Prove Vax BioWeapon Caused Autoimmune Attacks And Death. (Based on 70 autopsies done by Germany’s top pathologist, Prof. Dr. Arne Burkhardt).
Austrian graphene Research Scientist/Med. Dr. Andreas Noack was MURDERED after he released his evidence of graphene in the 4 mRNA injections, and describing it as ”razor blades in the blood that will kill all who get it”.
Prof Igor Chudov Pfizer vaccine, taken once, permanently changes the DNA of affected cells…DNA transcribed from Pfizer mRNA Vaccine contains mutant gp130 Cancer Cells. 28,2,22
Journal of Hepatology. Immune-mediated hepatitis with the Moderna vaccine.. confirmed.
Brghteon. Dr. Jane Ruby Show. Incredible evidence of cancer diagnoses in the jabbed, exploding cancers in the boosted. 2.15.22.
Destroyed tanks and heavy arns are hard to hide. I don’t see any in these photos.
Look at the video where the guy pans 360 degrees. There are a few blown up heavy armour vehicles lying upside down & sideways in the parking lot in front of where the sporting goods store used to be. Slow down the playback & they will be easier to see. They are definitely not passenger cars.
Thanks for pointing that out.
There’s definitely some trucks parked under the walkway that seem to be parked there to keep them from being seen from overhead. Sunny day bright shadows. The pic with the red circle was on a cloudy day , no shadows, and I don’t see any trucks looking through the walkway. No heavy armor . No idea what the big black “X’s” are. It’s hard to say anything without knowing when they were taken. Like Sundance said, if there were military vehicles there, there should be evidence of them among the ruins of the fallen walkway. Time will tell.
We bombed a lot of suspected “truck parks” in the jungles of Laos along the Ho Chi Minh trail, perhaps this was one of those. Military does that. Hide by day, move at night.
The vehicles in the photo appear to be trucks. The main debris pile is likely higher than them.
Yes they are always wrong.
Is there still a TV Guide? Haven’t seen one of those in years LOL. But, I get your point!
Same things PLO And HAMAS do. They put military crap in civvy areas because they know how the pr game works. Nothing new under the sun.
They don’t call it Pallywood for nothing…..
The Ukraine Nazi’s model their war footing from ISIS. Personally, not seeing much difference. If the Nazi battalion is firing on their own citizens and using them as human shields, no wonder that what would appear to be civilian targets are getting hit
This is the kind of stuff the West/Israel usually accuse Muslim terrorists of>>> using civilian areas to hide targets, so they must be bombed.
Sunnydaze, exactly.
Yes. Sometimes it’s true and sometimes it isn’t.
The Russians are hopelessly incompetent. They have only hit maternity hospitals, schools, theaters, shopping malls, but no military targets, at least according to YSM propaganda.
Are the Russkis dumb or what? Can’t they aim a rocket?
(Do I really need a sarc tag?)
Post of the day!
Answer to last question: probably not here, but in some other sites, definitely.
and they are doing it for no reason at all lol!
or the reason is Putin is just a madman randomly breaking stuff and murdering people. FOR NO REASON AT ALL
You’re right, Stu. My bad.
I was under the mistaken impression that Putin was in a war and trying to defeat Ukraine’s military.
But Poohtin ain’t got no time for that, no no no. He’s cray-cray. “Bomb all the little babies, bomb em!”**
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** That’ll be the headline tomorrow on the Babylon Bee or CNN, I’m not sure which. Tough call.
Or its the covid. Went to his brain, or sumthin…
You forgot about the girls orphanage, the pre-school and the children’s polio ward!
Intel Slava Z has good video of this leading up to, and the bombing. On Telegram. Russians have video of the vehicle movement and rocket launcher systems firing.
https://t.me/s/intelslava
Obligatory warning, Intel Slava Z doesn’t censor the photos and videos so for those who don’t want to see the realities of war or have weak stomachs don’t go there.
At least TCH is not oblivious as many are. You are a bright ray of sunshine in a black hole of misinformation. Glad you commented on this as I had already seen the evidence.
Sd is right.
You can’t trust the western media (which is all we get in the USA),
nor can you trust the Russian media.
So who can you trust for information?
Nobody
If you want info you have to parse all of it.
Its homework, and it’s difficult.
Especially if you’re under attack.
Try The Saker for the Russian POV.
I read the saker
i also read moon of Alabama
And I don’t just want the Russian pov, I know where to get it.
I want the truth
Also the Duran. Alex and Alexander are both excellent.
I agree. They have an extended discussion almost every day, and Alexander also posts a daily analysis on his separate channel. Calm, rational, informed and intelligent.
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDuran
https://rumble.com/c/theduran
https://www.youtube.com/c/AlexanderMercourisReal
i simply dont have time to watch videos so I appreciate any writing anyone provides
Indeed, videos are very time consuming. And they take forever to get to the meat and potatoes.
They think that we are all starving for human contact so they have to show personality, preferences, relate, comments about weather and sports. What we are starving for is just the facts news. If it’s a video I leave.
The Saker has always been a bit rabid in his point of view, he does have some good analysis but his utter contempt for anything in the West makes it hard to consider his viewpoints objectively.
we here at cth trust sundance thank you a thousand fold
I do not blindly trust ANYONE……SD does his homework and backs up nearly everything he says…..old-style “journalists” used to do the same…we don’t have those anymore in the legacy media
More from the Saker. Putin approve 70% in Russia. Western psyop attempt fails.
https://thesaker.is/the-many-great-coming-outs-triggered-by-the-war-in-the-ukraine/
thank you for the “gotcha” moment….
always good to have the pictures!
CNN might have some incoming in the next few hours. Wifey happened to be surfing a little while ago, and I caught the first few seconds of Anderson Cooper interviewing an alleged “Ukrainian Fighter Pilot” who allegedly goes by the alleged call sign “Juice” (allegedly). I only caught the first couple of seconds, but the imagery of the “pilot” wearing his helmet(!) with the visor down(!) was something out of an SNL skit. I’ll see if I can find some screengrabs… I’m sure they’ll be up on Twitter any moment now…
Ohhhh, baby… here we go…
LMAO. They have no pilots to man the supposed Ukrainian Air Force, which if it were a true Air Force would not need a no fly zone.
My former Jet fighter-squadron flew with one of the Ukraine Jet-fighter squadrons during an exchange joint exercise a couple years ago.
How well do you suppose his oxygen mask plays with his tacticool beard?
😉
That was reply #9 on the thread.
I don’t see how this guy can have a beard ss that and have an effective oxygen mask.
kinda reminds me of this guy … but he’s Australian and hasn’t been seen since the mid-80s
As in “Talk to me, Juice”, “Juice, you big stud – take me to bed or lose me forever” and “Sorry Juice, it’s time to buzz the tower” 🙄. Color me skeptical.
This interview has way too much “Top Gun” bullshit in it.
If this twit really is a ‘pilot’ …. he’s flying a cargo plane full of rubber-dog-shit out of Hong-Kong.
” That was some of the best propaganda I’ve seen yet …. BUT , you never , never leave your handler “
I feel the need, the need for speed!
The Ghost of Kiev needs a shave.
Juice taught Ghost everything he knows.
Reply:
Asher Cohn
@cohn_asher
Replying to @CNN and @andersoncooper
ThT was a friend of mine with an Eastern accent. He put on his old helmet from our go cart racing days and say in his closet. Paid really well to live the lie
I have to say… that could very well be true… if not, at least it’s very funny. Put on his old go cart helmet, he says! Bah!
It’s the dirty Juice. But we’ve known that all along.
OMG. This crap is out of control.
.
The getup! Seriously? And he’s located… in… a TV studio?
“Has not been able to gain air superiority”
The Russians owned the skies since a day or two after this started, as far as I understand.
Anderson Poofter is an idiot.
Poofter: “So you say that they must acquit, because the glove didn’t fit, please elaborate”
Juice: “I think you have me mixed up with another actor”
Anatomy of a media story … the headline’s a lie … the first few paragraphs are misleading … the truth will only slip out towards the end of the story, when most people no longer are following the story. The truth is out there, buried under mounds of horse feathers …
Klaus Schwab trainee Zelensky against KBG officer Putin.
Look, had dinner with a Ukraine man on Saturday. He said it doesn’t matter who runs Ukraine and who runs Russia. Russia
wants Ukraine back in the fold or totally subservient as neutral buffer state and vast majority of Russians agree.
Feel sorry for the freedom loving people of both countries. They’ll probably just leave.
Yasser Arafat is smiling up from hell right now.
Beside him is John McCain
Same tactics different countries hide in the population, the Russian drone strict videos show the impact
Thank you so much, Sundance, for presenting a balanced and true account of these things.
The corporate media is constant and outright lies about what is happening. Those scumbag reporters have to be held accountable for their propaganda.
Biden’s War to Save Biden’s “Presidency”?
Let me express, once again, my unease, better said, revulsion for the 24/7 effort underway to stampede us into war with Russia.
We are getting stampeded into war by: the government, including Congress; nearly all the media; gurus of both political parties; billionaire tech moguls; wealthy Hollywood “celebrities”; network and academic pundits; idiotic Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram “influencers,” and so on. This is 1984 two-minutes of hate, but on a 24 hour basis with Putin as Goldstein. Blame it all on Putin!
They manipulate and censor the information we receive. Believe it at your peril.
I don’t think of Putin as a “good guy,” and disagree with his invasion of Ukraine. He should put an end to it. That said, those of us who dissent from the march to war with Russia risk getting labelled Putin-puppets, traitors, and “cancelled.” As I have written before, the people behind trying to get us into war with Russia are largely the same who lied about Trump-Putin collusion, COVID, the Biden laptop, the 2020 elections, January 6, and so VERY much more these past several years. I don’t believe them; I don’t trust them; I consider them evil. They are not good for America or the West.
We don’t know what is happening in Ukraine. The information we receive comes twisted, censored, and “cleaned up.” How much is true? I don’t know. We most certainly don’t know all the dirty deals that have gone on behind our backs by the Biden crime family with the corruptocrats in Ukraine and China, and elsewhere.
We have a bumbling, confused, inept, corrupt, and very weak man in the White House; a man who got there via illegitimate means. Yes, he “won” a rigged election. We have the right and the duty to question his pronouncements and policies. I don’t want this fake Commander–in-Chief sending our kids off to war.
I find myself sickened by those Republicans now going “bipartisan” in the drive for war. Idiots. The Dems want “bipartisanship” to spread the blame around, to blunt the differences in the 2022 election, and so on. You, of course, can add many more reasons why this failing “president” wants “bipartisan” support for anything he does.
Bottom Line: I don’t want a war with Russia.
Simple: No war.
We have no key interests at stake in Ukraine.
There is nothing to be gained for the US, or Russia, or Europe in such a war.
Only China would benefit from a war in Europe.
This drive for war is suicidal hysteria and insanity on a mass scale.
https://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2022/03/bidens-war-to-save-bidens-presidency.html
I think the plan is to get us involved in Ukraine so that China will be able to easily take Taiwan while we are embroiled in something that doesn’t matter to us. Biden is compromised by all three countries, Russia China and Ukraine. I really do wonder how much money he made and how we can look at self in the mirror.
We don’t have to be involved in the Ukraine for Chyna to take Taiwan. Xi knows OBiden will not do anything if he does take it over – imho.
PRC is not capable of a quick victory in Taiwan…..regional allies will make it very costly for them to even attempt an amphibious attack to say nothing of the self-immolation such an attack would do to their own economy….mainland China is HEAVILY reliant on Taiwan
True. And can you say “Mines?” Not belittling the heroism of our U-boat forces , but the most Japanese ships were sunk in the latter part of Pacific War by air-dropped mines in the narrow passages between the Japanese islands.
I think it’s more likely China will make a move on Matsu and Kumoi that are only a few miles off the coast like they did in th 50’s to test the waters. We responded by deploying a lot of air and sea assets.
Not commonly known, but we had a lot nuclear armed planes with a lot of specific targets assigned TDY in Taiwan until the Chinese backed off.
Putin didnt start the war that began in 2014
Vald is justified!
1) Nazis
2) Bioweapons
3) Ethnic cleansing
4) NATO threat
5) NWO
Kyev and the Ukraine are the original Russian Capitol and Homeland going back to about 780 AD. To the Russian mind they are reclaiming their rightful territory.
Confused. One photo has military vehicles parked under building and another doesn’t. Which one is real?
Nothing is real.
Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
TY. Comments upstream seem to lean toward vehicles were there so I figured I am missing something.
So far, I’ll wait. Maybe some evidence will show up in the rubble. Don’t see any now.
Ren – see my reply elsewhere on the thread
The first photo shows you the trucks
The second photo shows what it looks like usually, that there’s just empty space beneath that elevated concourse that connects two buildings
So it’s two photos looking under that concourse, one showing trucks parked there and the other showing that it’s usually just empty space clear through to the other side
And OldIADGuy’s videos clarify that they’re rocket-launcher trucks, showing one of them in action firing off rockets and then driving to that hiding place after
Nim, just read your explanation on other page re: photoshop or not. Was very informative!
And yes, comments here at TCH have been putting things together pretty well.
Second pic is the front of the building with the military vehicles hiding in the back.
Your eyes are better than mine then … or U have better resolution. Thx
I think the second photo is an old photo from Google Maps.
Here is a video showing why the shopping center was struck. It was being used to conceal and arm Ukrainian GRAD MLRS. The fact the facility had a large supply of grad rockets on hand explains the large explosion.
“The first casualty of War is Truth”
IAD, I Think you call that receipts. Thank you.
The truck they followed back to shopping center was firing missiles pretty close to an area fairly near shopping center then. Crazy.
Thank you, OldIADGuy.
Appreciate the longer video.
Yeah, thanks a lot, IADGuy, geez, you bring home the bacon in a hurry
that’s great footage and proves the main point Sundance is making with this article (stashing military assets in a civilian shopping mall is kind of a nefarious move)
Haven’t seen you awhile, maybe since last time Nawlins was in the news bigly
Hope you’re well
It’s a war crime
Your welcome. It has been awhile since I’ve posted here. Been taking care of family issues and doing research into a number of issues, including Ukraine/Russia.
Since this thread is discussing propaganda, South Front had an interesting article about it a while back.
https://southfront.org/in-video-epic-fails-of-ukrainian-propaganda/
There is a lot of these types of videos out there, you just have to search for them. Also, many of them are in Russian which makes them harder to find.
One of the funniest videos was a Western Reporter was doing a piece on the civilian victims of the war and had as a back drop rows of covered bodies supposedly killed by the Russians. In the middle of the the broadcast, the wind blew the plastic sheet from one of the “dead” and the “dead” guy reached up and pulled the plastic sheet back over himself. Once the sham was exposed, if you looked closely, you could see other “dead” guys feet and heads moving under the plastic sheets. It was pretty bad piece of propaganda.
“The first casualty of War is Truth”
that’s classic, IADGuy
Weird looking mall, and w/the Rona, who goes to malls anymore? Our mall is a ghost mall.
Sunrise in Kiev Monday, March 21, 2022, was reported as 5:58 AM. Sunset 6:12 PM.
I would think the times would be nearly the same for the previous day.
The shadows cast by the people near the Military vehicles would seem to suggest the picture was taken near one of these times.
An intetesting…explanation
FWIW
https://www.rt.com/russia/552408-kiev-mall-bombing-military/
all three – I think the photo with out the armored cars hidden was posted to show perspective in relation to the bombed mall so the reader could reconcile with the rubble.
Agreed, GK.
I differ a little, I think the 2nd photo is to show that that’s usually empty space under that elevated concourse, you can see straight through usually
then I think the rubble photo is to show the same or similar perspective after the deluge
Thx GK.
The video snippet at the bottom of the article shows some sort of military vehicle pulling in there. Video shot from an apartment across the way, it looks like. Probably those people were watching military posting up there and grew concerned enough to get a quick shot of one.
there is an excellent drone video of the whole thing on Gab
When the parking lot is empty no customers are there but the military vehicles are. The other photo shows customers are present but not military.
Minor details
“Confused. One photo has military vehicles parked under building and another doesn’t. Which one is real?”
My take is that both are real
The photo without vehicles is to show you what it usually looks like, there’s usually empty space under that stairway and elevated deck on what looks like an elevated concourse between two larger buildings
The first photo shows that they’ve parked what look like heavy military trucks or personnel carriers under that deck, or maybe even half-tracks, if those are still around … whatever the vehicles, they’ve got a heavy truck style front end
… ah – OldIADGuy’s videos just downthread indicate that they were rocket-launcher trucks, clearly military offensive weaponry
I think they are showing the shopping center before the war and now.
Also, if you dig a little deeper you will find the the shopping center was closed down , most likely at the start of the invasion.
Media. Mouth of blasphemy!
MarxMerdia.
what I find most interesting is that in a nation that English is not the first language the shopping center’s name is in English. Are we sure those photos are even of Ukraine?
Seems strange to me also.
Sport Life fitness centers seem to be located all over the city.
Wander the world and you’ll see out of place English everywhere.
Those Ukrainian militants are heinous. I can’t imagine why they do anything to protect themselves from honest Vladimir and his christian crew.
Thank you for your satirical take on this, Dictator Zelensky.
Some might argue that hiding their military assets in civilian centers (inviting attack) is equally heinous.
It’s a war crime actually
WAR IS HELL !
FREEDOM IS NEVER FREE !
LGB/FJB !
What’s sad is that good people like Newt Gingrich (at least I thought he was a good guy) have been suckered into supporting this war. On Hannity tonight he said we should supply the Ukrainians with surface to surface and cruise missiles, and other other high tech weaponry, and respond with chemical weapons if the Russians use them in the Ukraine. I fear that thinking like his will get us into WWIII. And apparently the evidence suggesting that the Biden Administration and RINOs set up Putin into doing exactly what he’s done means nothing to Gingrich. Nor does the fact that the Ukraine was the Clinton Foundation’s #1 donor. Nor does the fact that all the top democRATS and some of the UNIPARTY Republicans all had children or were personally on the take in the Ukraine. Nor does the fact that the Ukraine was involved in the coup against Trump. Newt needs to wake up (not get WOKE) before he ends up on the trash heap of history along with the UNIPARTY. Because a reckoning is coming in 2022 and 2024. Unless idiots like him screw it up by throwing democRATS a lifeline.
He’s past his expiration date.
Maybe, but he’s been very supportive of the January 6th defendants, for example.
NUCK FEWT ! has been selling America out for decades.
He was shown the door , long before the current awakening…… that’s saying something.
You’re being very unfair to Gingrich. He’s been very supportive of Trump over the years, even writing flattering books about him (such as “Understanding Trump” and “Trump and the American Future: Solving the Great Problems of Our Time”) and defending him in the media. In fact, Newt is on the record saying that Trump will be reelected in 2024 and will rank as one of the most iconic Presidents in US history. It’s been reported that Trump is working with Gingrich to draft a new “Contract with America” that will be part of that run for office. That said, he can still ruin his legacy and relationship with Trump if he lets himself be used by the UNIPARTY regarding the Ukraine.
Even President Trump has bought in to the “we must help Ukraine” rhetoric.
This drive for war is suicidal hysteria and insanity on a mass scale.
https://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2022/03/bidens-war-to-save-bidens-presidency.html
Just as we were duped into taking the jab,
Now, it looks as though we are being duped into supporting this war !!!
Maybe Russia is forced into this too !!!
We know something sinister is taking place when we keep score of who all is calling for the support of Ukraine.
Remember the foreign aid kick-back system from Ukraine to out politicians !!!
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-nuclear-submarines_n_6238bdd7e4b0d39357cb1010
“The former president recommended sending American nuclear weapons into Russian waters on Monday”
If he said this, then Trump is only proving he can be duped by the UNIPARTY … AGAIN.
I’d hoped he learned his lesson.
This is HuffPo, considering their past coverage of Trump was less than supportive I wouldn’t take anything they say seriously.
Their ‘source’ for Trump’s remarks is a pro-Dem group so that’s all the proof required to see that they’re trying smear Trump or get him quoted out of context.
The Dems and NWO really want Trump tied to Putin to sink his momentum going into the midterms so these kinds of stories coming out now are not a surprise.
Take a moment to consider that for the “journalist” -this Carld Bildt, et al. – to get his shot of the wreckage, they either had to make sure it was carefully framed to exclude the wasted military vehicles, or they had to physically clear out the evidence of military presence, first. Think about the staging work they had to do to cover up their presence to the public after the fact. All these journos are complicit. They have to know what’s going down, they can’t all be that stupid. They are agents of the psy-op.
If you click the link, she’s got many of the other Lefty orgs. w/ past articles about Ukrainian corruption. Guardian, The Hill, etc.
Much like all the YT’s I’ve posted fr/ 2014 – 2020 that were exposing Uk. Nazis. Time, BBC, etc.
This about-face by Western media WRT Ukraine has been a very recent development.
Ha! I was wrong about the 2014-2020. It’s actually Jan. 2021 that TIME made this vid. So, they pretty much were calling them Nazis up until Putin said on the world stage that there were Nazis in Ukraine.
Then, abrupt about-face and suddenly no Nazis in Uk., according to wWestern Media.
Again, Jan. 2021, TIME :
And this is one of *many* vids that are readily found on YT.
Love that girl.
Good girl! Love it!!!
BREAKING — Russia has stolen baby incubators from Kuwait city hospital and left the infants on the cold floor !!!!
Sob – film at 11.
( followed by senate hearings …. )
they also took their candy!
And an “I stand with [current victim]” FB status change.
“Ah, you kid, Sparrowhawk … you’re such a kidder !”
Sundance, what else is getting hit by Russian fire that’s not military?…nothing. Fact is that there are military bases with bio-labs that We The People’s tax dollars built…for biological weapons that are against the law. Putin is rooting out the military threats that border Russia & has every right to do so. We should be doing the same to Mexico to stop the fentanyl inflow into this country. The [DS] is truly evil.
https://nitter.net/RWApodcast/status/1506032684673425419#m
Ukraine Security Service has arrested a Tik-Toker who posted a video that revealed the location of Ukrainian artillery at the shopping center that was hit by a Russian missile.
I don’t watch television ANYMORE. I haven’t even watched a football game for 4 years. When my wife watches the news I tell her, straight up, it’s total bullshit! She used to get upset and grouse around. Recently, I have seen a change on her view of things. I think the Covid lies and constant TV porn and propaganda, which she bought into, has finally come full circle. She knows she was used and is constantly being lied to and treated like a brainwashed idiot by the media.
She still watches the asinine tube! Some habits are hard to break and she is NOT alone! I think people get a rush from these obnoxious and scurrilous talking heads. Like children addicted to cartoons….
This is why Putin attacked Ukraine. https://www.unz.com/aanglin/putin-speech-on-the-ongoing-border-skirmish-with-the-ukraine/ There are also many videos on Instagram of the horrors that Ukrainians are committing including tying people to poles and whipping them.
They told us. Said it out loud.
The current administration believes war can be won by propaganda.
Who has the best story.
And media is happy to go along with the idea.
I thought sure you would claim there was a bio weapons lab in the shopping center justifying Putin’s butchery. You have gone off the rails and it’s not a good look.
When someone climbs up to take a high ground position in an apartment building and starts firing off RPGs and Javelins he automatically turns that structure into an ammo dump. It then becomes a legitimate target… not a war crime.
Better check your moral compass. You’re lost.
This video follows a truck mounted rocket launcher from its rocket launch site back to the shopping mall.
Some Ukrainians are fleeing the country with millions in cash. But we needed to send them more? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/tax-dollars-work-ukrainian-officials-keep-getting-caught-fleeing-country-suitcases-full-cash-euros/
Just an FYI: The Duran + Gonzalo Lira on YT have the most up-to-date info on the ground situation. Corroborates SD’s info. Check them out.
obummer droned civilians, hospitals, aid workers..
bush destroyed mosques, hospitals, civilians.
the HEIGHT of hypocrisy here is epic.
Having said that. I do NOT DEFEND the targeting of civilians in a war. It IS a war crime.
It’s just too bad that we crossed that rubicon along time ago. And there is no going back. Not now, not ever.
Anyone remember when Obummer, DOJ, state department, AND SCOTUS ruled that surviving families of those that were killed in the 9/11 attack did not have standing and could not advance law suits against Saudi Arabia for its direct funding, grooming and support of the specific actors who plotted and then carried out the attack?
Yeah, I remember it.
War is cruel, shitty and terrifying. The world adopted RULES based on common rational sense. To delimit the possibility WITH CONSEQUENCES that if these rules are crossed, that NATION STATE LEADERS WILL BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE> Not just the miliitary commanders. But the leaders of the offending countries who are responsible.
And here we are talking and watching it …it’s common now. There are no consequences. If you want to shoot civilians…well….of well. That’s just too bad. It’s war now.
Our sense of any humanity and a global community is completely gone. period. vanished.
Why?
because these nation states are godless scofflaws.
they are actively opposed to obedience to God.
That’s the truth.
it get much worse …much worse.
we are now in that dead zone.
life is meaningless to these corruptors. just trading cards….used and thrown away as so much rubbish.
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The burning of Atlanta… the bombing of Dresden… a very long time. But war is not a game. There’s a difference between gratuitous cruelty and the incidental targeting of civilians.
How about politicians? Fake media? Oligarch power-brokers?
I don’t consider soldiers’ or sailors’ or pilots’ lives to be of lesser value. I’m biased, though…
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Their New World Order is darkness in purpetuity. It’s a rebrand of the oldest world order of idolatry, paganism, and child sacrifice. Gratuitous is not in the vocabulary. As void as they try and make this, God will not be mocked.
Ukraine flag is yellow and blue.
Yellow & Blue make GREEN
Green is the NWO ” religion ”
Do you see it yet ?
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And red, white, and blue makes lavender.
Please stop with the tinfoilhat stuff. The blue/yellow flag was established 1848.
SparrowHawk.. we must shop at the same unisex millinery store.
The global environmental movement is all about”Gaia“. Gaia is a revival of Paganism that rejects Christianity, considers Christianity its biggest enemy. They view the Christian faith as its only obstacle to a global religion centered on Gaia worship and the uniting of all life forms around the goddess of “Mother Earth“. Sounds pretty environmentally “green” centered to me.
And then there is this…”Mother Earth, the planet, is screaming at us”: U.S. Climate Envoy John Kerry
Outhouse Council… you have to think like a loon to get it.
Минобороны России (@mod_russia) Tweeted:
🎥 Live monitoring and recording system shows how Ukrainian MLRS uses a shopping centre as shelter to reload missiles ➡️ https://t.co/bOqijwFjXT https://t.co/UmUVUD8tuF
Cause and effect is hard, even harder in the fog of war. Rather than one specific reason why such few social media reporting from Ukraine with millions of cell phones is that things are not going well for their troops. People are reluctant to post photos and videos of their fellow countrymen who are casualties. Perhaps the internet and cell phone network is down? Perhaps damaged by combat, perhaps by Ukraine, perhaps by Russia? Point is that rarely in the incredibly complex environment of combat, is any singular cause for a singular effect. Clausewitz coined the term “fog of war” some 200 years ago. Military operations were less complex….still, the fog of war dominated the battlefield.
Here is a video showing the Russians locating a Ukrainian mobile launcher, following it to a resupply point at the shopping center and finally showing a missile hitting that resupply point right on the money!
From the pictures above, the Russians waited until several mobile launchers returned from their missions, were, perhaps, laying up for the night, then boom.
From what appears to be Russian source Select the very end of the link.
Sure wish Putin would get this thing wrapped up.
That’s a Big 10-4! Putin needs to just end it now and let the next Democrat news media hoax flush Ukraine away!
Y’all are missing the one thing that really matters. Innocent men, women and children are dying in Ukraine every day. Don’t believe the death toll reports? “112 children” for an example. What if it’s half that many? What if it’s 10? What’s acceptable to you? It’s more important to y’all to try and impress each other with your ability to read between the lines about what’s really going on and who’s behind the curtain. “Wag the Dog”? “It’s all made up nobody’s really dying”. Really? In every situation like this, regardless of The Who’s and Why’s the innocent’s pay the price. I am as conservative in my views and values as the rest of you and I have enjoyed the educational information on this site for a few years. But, as in most cases where a leaders voice grows in strength and influence, the power of that position transitions from an educational source to one much less open to dissent or conflicting thoughts or opinions. It becomes all about being right. Don’t lose sight of who the true victims of this war are. It ain’t you and me
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You don’t consider soldiers to be innocent? Why?
I don’t believe I said that. I said innocent men, woman and children are dying every day. I think that covers all the bases.
Zelensky and Biden could have ended this before it began. Putin tried for months and these two just ignored him. In fact, they can end it tomorrow!
“Women and children are dying in Ukraine everyday”? Who is killing them?
It couldn’t be bombs, bullets, missiles, mortars, artillery or tanks. I guess boredom is killing them. Standing around waiting for the casting call to be in the fake war movie.
“Don’t lose sight of who the true victims of this war are. It ain’t you and me”
Don’t be so sure. Remember that if those who instigated this war (that would be the UNIPARTY) win the next few elections, we’re going to have to live in the world they create. The original Fabians pretty much told us what to expect in that case. We will do what they tell us to do, live how they tell us to live, eat what they tell us to eat, believe what they tell us to believe … or else they’ll exterminate us. There is far more at stake here than a few lives.
“A few lives”? What if one of those lives lost was your child or your brother? Your mother or father? Your sister or your friend? Spouse? Push the rhetoric and politics aside. Your fears of a future society that denies you basic rights and freedom is not a some day threat to the Ukrainian people. It’s a now moment. Their leadership and system is full of corruption but many of the common people who profit nothing from the corruption has summoned up the courage to fight for their freedoms and in fact for their very existence. Is our leadership in this country full of corrupt politicians and crony capitalism? Does that mean our lives are worth nothing because our leaders are dirty?
You are correct; innocents always pay the price. Just like the J6 guy who committed suicide; the two women
murdered at the capital protest, the numerous deaths and injuries from illegals, gang wars in our inner cities,
Antifa and BLM riots, suspected murder of Justice Scalia, Andrew Breitbart, Vince Foster, Seth Rich, etc. etc.
There is always a price to pay for freedom.
FJB
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19 years ago, the spring of 2003 Bush got us into Iraq. Do not let them do this to us again.
Dr Ron Paul:
Lessons From The 2003 Iraq Invasion: Lies & Propaganda Pave The Way For War
From time to time during this Russia/Ukraine war, in my head I hear the voice of Slim Pickens as Major “King” Kong from Dr. Strangelove: “Well, boys, I reckon this is it. Nuclear combat, toe to toe with the Ruskies.”
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-strike-levels-kyiv-shopping-123112652.html
“March 21, 2022
A Russian missile strike destroyed a shopping center and killed at least eight people in a residential district of Kyiv on Sunday in one of the strongest bombings of Ukraine’s capital since the start of Russia’s invasion, the New York Times reported.
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The big picture: There was no visible evidence of any military vehicles or hardware at the mall, according to the Times.”
We know that’s a lie since the images and videos posted on this thread prove it.
And note that the Times just updated their article (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/21/world/ukraine-russia-war#a-russian-missile-strike-reduces-a-kyiv-mall-to-smoldering-ruins ) and they still seem to deny there were any military vehicles at the mall. All they admit is that “a unit of volunteers in the Territorial Defense Forces had been quartering at the mall, and that some had died along with security guards.”
So … the Times is caught lying again and others in the media are complicit in spreading that disinformation (lie) to the public. A few media outlets are a little more honest …
https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/world/2022/03/21/retroville-shopping-mall-kyiv-ukraine-destroyed-russian-bombs/7118085001/
“Firefighters stand on a destroyed armored military vehicle outside the Retroville shopping mall after a Russian attack on the northwest of the capital Kyiv on March 21, 2022.
ARIS MESSINIS, AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES”
I can only say “a little” since that article says “at least six people were killed in the overnight bombing of a shopping centre in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv”, when in fact …
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/in-the-ruins-of-retroville-blast-rips-new-district-to-shreds-as-war-closes-in-on-kyiv
“The six bodies stretched out under the plastic groundsheet are all dressed in military fatigues.”
That article also states “As advancing Russian forces tighten their grip on Kyiv, it has become almost commonplace to come across camouflage vehicles, military hardware and anti-aircraft guns hidden in underground public car parks.” The question is whether any of this information will reach the broader public given the censorship of the MSM.
well – yeah
but you’re kinda making a big deal about old news
I won’t dissect the NYT article and updates timelines
… but the yahoo article dateline dates to nearly a full day ago
… whereas we’re getting these videos with the rocket launchers in a discussion thread that’s up-to-the-minute by nature, details that weren’t even available to Sundance when he posted this article hours ago
The Yahoo dateline:
Mon, March 21, 2022, 2:31 AM
Presuming that was Easter Time (not Ukraine time) Right now it’s nearly 1 am the 22nd, approx 23 hours after the yahoo dateline
So I think part of the equation is that Yahoo and others were reporting the story as it existed basically – yesterday
… the “first-emerging story”
Yeah, mainstream media like and cover up
Bot to some extent they also don’t have as good a news source as WE do in this up-to-the-minute crowd-sourced comment section
I’m not here to defend Mainstream media, but you gotta give ’em time to catch up before convicting them of intentionally lying
and I’m talking general principles and rough timelines here … if anyone wants to finely dissect NYT timelines and updates, that’d be cool, but I won’t be waiting on it with bated breath
I’m just glad to be in an information community where I get to see drone strikes on rocket launchers mere hours after an article gets posted up by Sundance
thanks to all who posted the clips
your last line is an important one, Chooser – best answer I can come up with is “we’ll see”
“The question is whether any of this information will reach the broader public given the censorship of the MSM.”
once a true story makes it out into the public on forums like this, it quite often makes its way out farther into the public … like in a question to Jen Psaki or John Kirby at a press conference
so “we’ll see”
and yeah, glancing back at your comment, there’s no doubt MSM likes to craft these human-drama tear-jerker narratives
sex sells – and if there’s no sex to sell, then tragedy and sympathy are next best in line
Yahoo, the Times and other MSM have a responsibility to ensure they don’t pump out propaganda that will only inflame the situation. If Yahoo can’t confirm a statement, they shouldn’t repeat it as a fact, especially if they are blindly regurgitating what the NY Times is saying, given how many times the Times has been caught outright lying about the facts in news story after news story.
Yahoo saying “The big picture: There was no visible evidence of any military vehicles or hardware at the mall, according to the Times” followed by statements that “The strike is another example of Russian forces targeting civilian buildings in Ukrainian cities” and “They have bombed multiple civilian targets — including a children’s hospital — in Mariupol” is clearly Yahoo trying to make the Russians the bad guys before they knew the facts … or perhaps after they knew the facts, since they have not tried to correct this story even though it’s now clear the Ukrainian military caused what happened at the mall.
Furthermore, look at Axios’ reporting of the Mariupol “children’s” hospital that Yahoo linked: https://www.axios.com/mariupol-shelling-russia-ukraine-25359776-cee5-4fe9-bf61-3b5655bec036.html?utm_medium=partner&utm_source=verizon&utm_content=edit&utm_campaign=subs-partner-vmg . The article was nothing but one sided propaganda, quoting Ukrainians saying “Putin is intent on having Ukraine without Ukrainians. It’s pure genocide. The attack being waged by Russia isn’t simply treacherous. It’s a war crime” and “”Direct strike of Russian troops at the maternity hospital. People, children are under the wreckage. Atrocity! How much longer will the world be an accomplice ignoring terror?”, rather than presenting facts.
But there was more to that story than propaganda, as Technofog noted in an article which was reported and linked at CTH: https://technofog.substack.com/p/ukraine-maternity-hospital-shelling?s=r . Images in that article again suggest that what was claimed might not be fact. Turns out that on March 5 (not mentioned by Yahoo), the Russians had complained (https://tass.com/world/1417155 ) that “Militants of the Azov and Aidar nationalist battalions are delivering fire on the DRP people’s militia units that have entered the city from positions equipped in schools, hospitals, maternity homes and kindergartens.”
At the time the Russians didn’t yet understand how the propaganda game was going to be played by the west so they apparently didn’t videotape the militants doing that. But now they’ve learned the lesson the Israeli’s did and are apparently videotaping what the Ukrainians are doing … as they did in the mall attack … before they retaliate … so they can prove the other side is lying about what’s happening.
What I find odd about that attack is that the huge crater that is claimed to be the source of all the damage completely missed (by scores of feet) any of the buildings in the area. In these days of precision guided munitions, that is rather hard to believe if the Russians planned a direct attack on the maternity ward. Look how accurately they targeted the mall location where the MLRS vehicle was seen to hide. But if one was going to stage a false flag event and then blame it on the Russians, the crater location is exactly where they’d bury the explosive.
And why would only one bomb be used if the intent of the Russians was genocide, as the Ukrainians and western media claimed? That doesn’t make sense. Nor does the claim echoed by Yahoo that they deliberately targeted a maternity hospital anyway? It makes no absolutely no sense from a Russian point of view. NONE. But it makes perfect sense if the idea is to provide a propaganda bonanza for the UNIPARTY backed Ukrainians.
After all, look at all the crystal clear images that Evgeniy Maloletka of the AP (now there’s an organization that has been used over and over to create false flag events) managed to get of a heavily pregnant woman walking down the stairs in one of the damaged buildings and then of another equally pregnant woman (who looks remarkably like the first woman but in different dress) being stretchered away by 5 burly Ukrainians. The scene seemed almost too scripted to be believable.
And curiously the identity of the woman on the stretcher (and her baby) are said to be unknown even though this AP article: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-maternity-hospital-pregnant-woman-dead-c0f2f859296f9f02be24fc9edfca1085 states, “in the chaos of the airstrike (BAC – mind you, the article says the woman was taken to a hospital, could talk, and died along with the baby after a cesarean, yet …), medical workers did not get her name before her husband and father took away her body.” Give me a break. Does that sound at all believable? And then to cap off the propaganda, the article says “Doctors said they were grateful that she didn’t end up in the mass graves being dug for many of Mariupol’s dead.” This smacks of the same of contrived reporting that came out of Palestine over and over thanks to AP reporters who hated Israel. Remember all that?
These are the sort of questions the MSM outlets, like Yahoo and scores of others, should OBVIOUSLY be asking … but aren’t. Which begs the question, why not?
Thanks, Chooser – you’re obviously deep into following the coverage, thanks for your thorough discourse
Well, whaddya know? Another narrative blows up again.
I first thought when I heard this was WHO in the living hell goes shopping in a mall for clothes and tennis shoes in the middle of a freaking WAR ZONE???????
None of this makes a lick of sense. What people are just working and shopping like nothin is happening there??? I don’t believe or trust any of this.
THIS shopping center?
https://t.me/intelslava/23089
Had not heard about the shopping center. Then again, I do not consume very fake news hysterical drive by media products.
They LIE. The left. The deep state. The globalist demonic cabal. The WEFers. NATO. The junta currently occupying the US government. They LIE. They HAVE TO lie. They ALWAYS Lie. They LIE.