CTH is just presenting data without too much interpretation on this study, because it could be analyzed two separate ways.
A Denmark study of vaccine effectiveness (VE) to “prevent infection“, and that’s a key point, shows both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine benefits essentially disappear after 90 days to six months. [Study pdf Here] Now, some people are interpreting the bottom line result to say the vaccine makes you more susceptible to Omicron variant infection after the 150 day point [SEE HERE]. However, I’m not sure that’s the key takeaway.
The data does show that during the 91 to 150 day waning period of vaccine effectiveness, the vaccinated group who used Pfizer were 76.5% more likely to be infected with a variant versus the unvaccinated population. And the vaccinated group who used Moderna were 39.3% more likely to be infected with a variant versus the unvaccinated population. [Note, all natural immunity groups (previously infected) were removed from the study]
Yes, the study shows the vaccinated groups are more likely to be infected with Omicron than the unvaccinated population.
However, ¹if the Pfizer vaccinated group within the total population is at or near 76%, and ¹if the Moderna vaccinated group within the total population is at or near 39%, then what this Denmark study actually shows is a non-existent benefit from vaccination toward the Omicron variant. Not, and I repeat NOT, a finding that the vaccination itself makes you more prone to infection from Omicron.
What we need to know is how many people in the total population are vaccinated, AND what percentage of that total vaccinated population used Pfizer and Moderna.
If the total population Omicron infection rates for both Pfizer and Moderna groups mirror the vaccination rates for Pfizer and Moderna, then the vaccine effectiveness is nil for the prevention of Omicron infection. To me, that seems the most likely scenario.
The study conclusion is that booster shots are needed and provide essentially a 54.6% reduction in the risk of Omicron infection for Pfizer, and a (small sample) 82.8% reduction of the risk of Omicron infection for the Moderna group.
Obviously, more data is needed before this Denmark outcome can be accurately interpreted.
People are rightly worried that the vaccination itself might make you dependent on the vaccine forever. Heck, there are people within the British government saying exactly that in their booster ad campaigns (see poster left).
Additionally, does the vaccine itself make you more prone to infection from a variant that defeats the vaccine-specific immunity response. That’s the basic issue within Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE):
“In some cases, antibodies can enhance virus entry and replication in cells. This phenomenon is called antibody-dependent infection enhancement (ADE). ADE not only promotes the virus to be recognized by the target cell and enters the target cell, but also affects the signal transmission in the target cell.” (LINK)
Does the vaccine only target one version of the infection, and then allow other versions to avoid those vaccine antibodies, thus requiring ever continuing vaccinations that chase ever changing variants? So far, the answer appears to be yes.
That said, this issue of vaccine effectiveness against ‘infection‘ remains interesting and should be pursued. The reason is simple, if the vaccine does not prevent infection, then the premise of vaccine passports and/or vaccine mandates are moot.
Remove the ability of the vaccine to prevent infection, which seems brutally obvious at this point, and the only remaining benefit is one of medical outcome. Does the vaccine make you less likely to have a severe medical condition after you are infected?
When CTH originally started looking at hospitalization rates, what we found was that the percentage of the vaccinated population in the hospital requiring treatment was almost identical to the percentage of the surrounding overall population who were vaccinated. Ex. If the vaccination rate in the total population was 80%, the hospitalization rate for vaccinated individuals was essentially 80%. These reviews implied originally the vaccine was useless against severe outcomes requiring hospitalization.
All of the research essentially admits that both vaccinated and non-vaccinated people can be infected with COVID-19 and each variant of it. There is no vaccine value toward preventing infection. The issue is: does the vaccine immunity help you overcome the infection?
When you throw in the myriad of pre-existing conditions like obesity, diabetes and heart disease et al that make people more susceptible to any kind of respiratory infection, even without SARS-CoV-2 in the equation, then does all this vaccine chasing really amount to chasing severe cold and flu viruses with a vaccine regime?
The bottom line is that people need to make their own decisions based on their individual circumstances and everyone needs to respect those decisions. I doubt there is anyone choosing to make themselves more vulnerable with their vaccination decision.
Convincing an adult to do something is an endless quest, because it transfers outcome responsibility to the requester. The only dependency benefit in the convincing argument comes from the perspective of government. Politicians would like nothing more than for your outcome in life to be dependent on them. That’s also the scenario that abusers work diligently to construct.
When I see severe control demands and aspersions cast by who/what I define as an abuser, that flag tells me to exit.
Big question as well is, does being infected by Omicrom, confer natural immunity to any prvious variants.
If so, the LAST thing it would seem most would want, is anything (vax) that would prevent them from getting Omicrom.
As many have pointed out, material out of S. Africa makes Omicrom sound just like an old definition vaccine; a WEAKENED version of the virus, so that infection is mild and survivable, AND confers immunity.
As Sundance states, those with co-morbidities can succumb, as a result of ANY upper respiratory infection; common cold, flu or any covid variant.
But, for those without co-morbidities, they maybe should welcome being infected by Omni, IF it confers natural immunity to all other, more severe variants.
Hence thats the billion $ question, that vast majority of researchers, Big pharma and Gov mandate control addicts DO NOT WANT answered.
Cause if they did, the obvious thing would be to have “Omnicrom parties”, spread it far and wide, through the Vax and masks away, and get back to life as before.
Abuser in Chief Fauci will tell us regardless we have to prepare for the worst. I am hoping the vax is totally discredited by the time I see my doc next year after all his vax pushing.
In my opinion, the clot shot was discredited even before it was released. If I were you, I would unplug myself from the medical system immediately regardless of what some doctor says.
My son’s doctor told him the doctors are getting paid extra money to counsel you on the vaccines. So they bug you, then write it up in the chart that they counseled you, then they collect more money. That’s all that’s about.
Your comments make my 2 PCP visits this year make sense. During my physical in April 2021 my doc pushed the shot going so far to say one would be stupid not to take the jab. Said I would consider his advice, as he did not have a supply at time of my physical. Dr’s office called in May stating they have a supply & would I like to get jabbed & I declined. Had an October check up scheduled with Dr’s PA & wondered how they would act towards unvaccinated patient. Had to see Dr before scheduled PA visit in early October and he did not say one word about covid, being unvaccinated or getting the jab. I was stunned with his silence on the subject of covid. He must have been paid well to “counsel” his patients.
If the spread of Omicron is as widespread as the figures show then we’re all going to get this in a matter of a couple of months. Then we should be home free.
News Flash: They are not going to stop. They will say we need the passport so we will not be flatfooted for the next virus. It was never about the virus. It is about your global identification card.
Bingo!
Philadelphia included in its ‘ Emergency Order ‘ , starting Jan. 3 , gatherings at PRIVATE HOMES / CHURCHES are now subject to Vaxxine proof ….. not just restaurants. — @mtracey . Dec 24
Can’t tell me they are not doing these things because its where the Country was founded !
Notice how they leave out the Holidays. If it was so bad why not start like yesterday
Yes, people seem to forget that this resident in the White House wants total control America. The real force behind the White House wants to change this form of government.
It is not about the virus or the jab it is about who controls humanity.
“……. this resident in the White House ……” The “resident in the White House” is not there. Those behind the curtain; FAF, FBO, FBG, etc., ……. , etc. NWO and CCP et al. Don’t forget @FNP and @FMM. First ones in line for penalty for treason.
The Resident hopes to control his own sphincter.
While his handlers have more sinister goals, I imagine they’d be quite happy to see him succeed in this one.
The resident in the White House has no idea one day from the next. He doesn’t know a “F**k Joe Biden” from a “Let’s go Brandon”. However, Biden does make an excellent people diversion for the “Bad Guys”
IMO More like the spread of BS.
Xi wants to be number one.
The Biden crime family work for Xi.
That’s seriously funny and clever!!
Dream on
I think a few in my family, myself included, are going through the omicron right now.
I did not home test as I originally thought I had bronchitis, then influenza, but now my taste and smell disappeared.
It’s lingering and I will take another hcq with all my other immune boosters.
I am on day 8.
Not feeling terribly ill, just annoyingly some discomfort.
Let’s hope I get innate immunity after this.
Merry Christmas to all of you.
If you just started treatment on day 8, you are in for a rough ride. Get on Ivermectin now.
That isn’t true in every case. Some people feel lousy for a week or two and are done with it. That said, I’m hitting the ivermectin the second I feel “off” in any way, should that happen. Better not to assume it’s something else if you have a stockpile of early treatment COVID remedies on hand.
Merry Christmas as well!
Just a note, if you lost smell and taste, you most likely have delta, not omicron because omicron is the first variant not to include that particular odd symptom.
And if you have delta, be sure to measure your O2 saturation with a simply battery-operated fingertip pulse oximeter. If it goes below normal, you need to take action, for example the therapeutic drugs if you can get them, or monoclonal antibody treatment if you can find it. Good luck to you!
A good bowel movement would do you good.
Take the advice I gave to Steph.
I’m no epidemiologist, but the fact that the un-jabbed population is LESS susceptible to OMICRON shows that many people have long-lasting immunity as a result of exposure to DELTA. That certainly makes sense, as the variants are immunologically similar.
yep 1 class of people was PROHIBTED from obtaining natural immunity – by perverting their system with a limited genetic therapy approach.
another class was infected with Covid already and has natural immunity.
Actually there were many people that had a pre-existing immunity to the first outbreak. How this can viewed is from the origination so called “source” The Diamond Princess Cruise ship were the “outbreak was noted”.
If you go look at where the cases were, and who caught it, several inconsistent facts appear.
The out break was not all over the ship, it was in isolated pockets.
Many who caught it, their cruise ship partner in the same cabin DID NOT.
If it was a communicable as they claimed it should have been in many of the cabins in clusters. That is not shown.
Many early on had very mild cases. Children did not catch or had symptoms that were hardly noticable.
This is not unusual I hear in the virus world. Where infection from a previous “virus” conferred immunity/less severity on another novel virus.
Also by eliminating the natural immunity group in this “study” they did not have a control group so to speak. This seems to be new standard when doing research. Only use what you want to manipulate the results.
Omnicron is now known to not have originated Africa. I recall off the top, it was first in Britain, no one took notice, and then BAMM it became a big deal out of Africa when they needed more fear porn.
There is a lot of data from other Professional sources which show those who took the jab can spread/shed.
They control the data and what you get from their studies is what they want.
Other medical professionals come to different conclusions. Omnicron(Moronic) is not dangerous for almost everyone. IF you’re obese, out of shape, or lots of health concerns, yes. However that exists in any virus or disease you contract. Plus dying WITH a test that show you positive for the virus is written up as a death from the Virus. This highly inflates and has inflated all results and contaminated all data from .gov sources.
There is ZERO reasons for a PASS and or a Mandatory Vaccine at ANY TIME. Your article seems to insinuate that there is. I hope not.
Honestly why continue to play their game over this FAKE vaccine and a virus that is 0verall 99.7 in high risk groups and 99.9% in the rest of the population.
Re: Omnicron (Moronic)
Just curious… When creating the word ‘moronic’ from the word ‘omnicron,’ what happened to the second letter ‘n’ in the word ‘omnicron’?
The 15th letter of the Greek alphabet is “omicron”, not “omnicron”
Well since there are SO MANY S proteins in the injections (not vaccines are they) N’s are needed, So I guess I was just trying to put some N’s out. N proteins are part of viruses, or did you not learn,.. know that
Passive Aggressive,… JesseTMims, no way to lead a life.
LIfe lessons :
I was just in a market and a fellow wearing a dirty diaper said to me. You know wearing a mask saves lives. I told him So does minding your own business, that conversation ended right there.
That first “n” is not actually in the name.
It’s Omicron, NOT Omnicron.
Agree with your observation about pre-existing immunity. That describes me, a healthy, slim, active 74 y/o who cohabited with my wife who had Covid 8 months ago. I never showed a single symptom, and have also tested negative for antibodies. If the bastards in the medical profession had not worked so hard to scramble the data, we might today have studies that link pre-existing immunity to other factors: Blood types, previous infections with (seemingly-unrelated) diseases, certain DNA, et al. But nooo, chasing the almighty dollar and the reins of power have taken precedence to “science”.
I have said from the beginning that there are two types of natural immunity: Those that get it and recover and those that can not get it.
I AGREE with you.
Anyone curious about the Covid should have followed the drama onboard the Diamond Princess like a hawk which is what I did. 3,700 people onboard with no social distancing or any other precautions. This was late January -early February 2020 when the Covid was the most virulent. 7 people died! This was a floating petrie dish with the average age of everyone onboard at 69 years old. There were co morbidities out the wazoo! I would think that out of an elderly population like the Diamond Princess was carrying there would have to be deaths anyway … in the normal scheme of things! How many out of the very elderly died from heart attacks brought on by the over the top media presentation and medical people arriving by helicopter in hazmat suits?
As the months rolled by, people went in and adjusted the numbers of the Wikipedia article to when the last time I looked, maybe 6 months ago, there was mention of 13 -14 total deaths.
Covid 19 has NEVER been anything but a bad flu which appears every few years, takes it’s toll, and life goes on.
The Diamond Princess legacy is that here was a big controlled experiment that PROVED the media and medical establishment was lying in real time. Almost no one referred to it to back up their argument that the Covid was a charade from square ONE.
Yep Boggie, and Karl Denniger was ALL OVER IT FROM THE GET GO. If more people would do research and read, they would know, That petri dish was the key.
Den I gr not den in ger. But he is used to it, or so he says.
He called the stock crash, wrote a book called LEVERAGE which laid out the issues with medical industry and how it would bankrupt the US economy.
Incoming.
Boogie, the reason for low no death rate, was the TREATMENTS they gave or no treatment except the vent, that was it. Vent=Death. and they knew it. But 30k per patient on a vent was I guess to much to resist. Hence, READ LEVERAGE. The medical community runs the country pretty much. You need a lot of sick and injured people to make that work. So what do you do…
With you on this. I kept wondering why MSM wasn’t showing a pod of great white sharks next to the ship. Then I started wondering why the models suggesting human existence was about to end didn’t apply to the Diamond Princess and other cruise ships.
A month or so later, PDJT told us that hydroxychloroquine was part of an effective prophylactic/therapeutic treatment and I stopped worrying…until my physician and pharmacist told me they could lose their licenses if they gave it to me for COVID. That’s the day I looked at where the $$$ were going and became a conspiracy theorist.
Convince me I’m wrong.
I love you man.
Very good addition to the analysis.
Thank you.
being infected with any of the strains does.
BONUS PART: the omicron is possibly just the easiest on the body to get natural immunity.
I would line to see an opinion poll in Denmark to see what per cent of Danes would support trading Greenland for Puerto Rico.
That poll was recently conducted by PeeU Research which had the results at 5.81 million Danes against the trade to ZERO for it!
Nuts. I thought we MIGHT have a shot there.
You MIGHT if they use Ruby Freeman to tabulate the ballots!
Never let the forget that we know!
Russia has been interested in a Caribbean naval base for decades and I think we could let it go at a fire sale price!
I haven’t seen any evidence that the vaccine compromises your immune system. It appears from several studies that it adds to whatever natural immunity you incur post subsequent infection.
IOW, being vaccinated against a specific spike protein subunit doesn’t mean your body won’t produce the full immune response following an infection that an unvaccinated person’s body would. Ive seen no proposed processes by which these vaccines impair killer T cell, b cell, or surface, envelope, or broadee spike protein antibody production.
You obviously haven’t been looking for evidence. There is plenty of it out there.
This article discusses one study with links to it and others.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-shows-vaccines-must-be
Okay, Skippy. You may not have seen them but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Have you read anything over at sites like https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker-Nad,https://www.lewrockwell.com/ or https://substack.com/profile/12729762-alex-berenson, just to name a few?
Sorry, forgot to put a space between the first two sites, https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker-Nad and https://www.lewrockwell.com/
Then take the vax & all the “boosters,” & be silent on your non-scientifically based opinion, & leave those with a different view, alone.
It starts with asking if you understand a single concept
1) if your body makes an injected gene sequence – do you think its tagged as “Made in Stevie Epie” or do you think its taggest “I’m a foreign object my immune system should watch out for and not let inside my body”?
after you answer that. Its all simple to understand from there on.
Biotechnology is best used to REPLACE proteins your body stopped producing, not to to risk Auto Imunne attacked ‘due to risking accidentally training your body to KILL proteins tagged as “Made in Stevie Epie” – which is every damn protein in your body currently’.
The body knows that crap is foreign and imune systems goes to war to get rid of it.
Is why the need to ride the ronacoaster forever.
but its made with your body. meaning the epiginetic marking on it, tags it as yours.
so techinically its training you to let the Spike in, cause its a friendly
Does it? Then why is it so short lived. What about autoimune attacks that in some cases follow the jab?
I’m not saying you are wrong. Simply trying understand what I witness.
Not long after getting the jab my mom has a stroke and heart damage. Why?
None so blind?
The evidence of supression of the innate immune system after quackzination is wide spread.
All those jabbed with either the mRNA or DNA/AVV products could now be considered “vaccine injured”. Whether the suppression of the innate immune system is permanent or not is the only real question.
I think the question most vaxxed people want answered is, “Does the booster actually have good effectiveness in reducing the likelihood of bad outcomes from the original Delta variant, which is still present in most of the US this winter.”
Yep. Delta is the one still killing people (most of whom are not healthy).
There was no test for Delta. There is no test for Omicron.
Correct!
👍
Actually…
It’s true that none of the tests we stand in line for or buy at drugstores can detect these variants. If anybody testing you tells you which variant you have based on a PCR test, you are free to laugh at them.
But a gene sequencing lab can identify them in samples. It takes a minimum of eight days and is expensive (don’t know how expensive). I don’t think you or I could walk into such a lab and get such a test (don’t know the answer to that).
I do know that such labs test samples and then extrapolate (much like a pollster does, and probably with just as much error built in) to determine which variant(s) are present in a given area. That’s how the announcements appear in the news saying that, for example in blueMA where I am, delta was presumably overtaken by the moronic in new cases as of Friday Dec 17.
I’m not by any stretch of the imagination saying that such tests are any more accurate than any other part of the ChiCom BioweaponVirus apparatus. I sincerely doubt they are.
But yes, the tests do exist. To say there is no such test is, sorry, not true.
Perhaps I should have said ” no quick, universal and readily available test”. I don’t consider an 8 day wait for results as a practical useful test for the millions they are claiming “have” this variant. Most think there is one similar to the easily manipulated PCR test used to falsify cases and which has now been withdrawn. My statement was made in that context.
MASSIVE SCAM? Lab Admits There Is No Test For COVID Variants!
https://newzworldtoday.com/massive-scam-lab-admits-there-is-no-test-for-covid-variants/?utm_source=Team&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=TeamTrump
“Most of whom are not healthy”: BINGO. That’s the common casualty denominator IMHO.
I’d say the majority of people on earth, caught covid before they were vaccinated. and the natural immunity trumps the injection.
It is just the flu…… get on with Celebrating Christmas!
Here is the outcome of people suffering from long term abuse. They start to abuse others.
Catturd ™ on Twitter: “LMAO – Crazy Christmas Karen. Cult.” / Twitter
Oh God, that was awful!
Just imagine if she was flying to spend Christmas with family or friends. She’s not coming in MY house.
The insurance policy “Men are not supposed to hit women” has exclusions. Yelling, hitting and spitting without a mask while telling the guy he needs to mask up would qualify. Female vigilantism is on the rise.
Yep. One good rap in the snout a few years back and she may have understood that there are boundaries.
Now she’s gone too far and has to go to the pound.
Hope they banned her from flying for several decades.
Spitting on someone in the Covid era is a serious crime. I hope the guy presses assault charges against the bitch.
Wow that guy has some self control, I hope he didn’t get in trouble for no mask but anyway thats btwn him and airline. Karen han no business putting herself in middle
I saw this earlier today. I’m 66 and a bit over 100 pounds, but that little Karen biotch would’ve brought me out of my seat swinging, and I’d get a few well-placed hits, kicks and hair-pulls in before she killed me. The man she criminally assaulted has much more patience than I do.
There are those out there that would gladly sacrifice the lives of innocent children, the elderly and those in between on the alter of political correctness to attain their seats at the table of political power and wealth. Tyrants, dictators and politicians.
Follow the money.
They have made a mountain out of an ant hill.
If we had done nothing but treat the most vulnerable early on, covid would have mutated in to the weakened version it is now, a year ago.
Chimeric viruses are unstable and will by their conservative nature mutate to the closest “natural’ relative. In this case without the furrin cleavage site, which make sars-cov-2 so “novel”.
Instead of treating the most vulnerable, they did the opposite. Plandemic, indeed.
The way we have always responded to viruses? That is the thing that really bugs me…so many people have accepted this top down power grab which defies everything were know works with contagious illnesses.
heck yea.
especially a respiratory virus.
Step 1) take the covid test
Step 2) breath in Covid
Step 3) show negative for Covid on Test
Step 4) travel into whatever positive for Covid.
its pure dumb
Basically what the Barrington Declaration called for.
Amish beat it w/o the clotshot in about a month.
They did. One other thing about them, it seems, is they’re clean living. Not a lot of processed food or obesity and accompanying co-morbidities, and lots of physical activity. Their traditional lifestyle and belief in natural herd immunity set the stage for their success vs. COVID.
Correction: They have made a mountain OF DOLLARS ….
They would never have gotten away with the scam but medical doctors capitulated to the blackmail.
I will NEVER trust a doctor’s advice on treatment again. They have destroyed any trust they might have previously deserved. Treatments are what hospital administrators say it is…NOT WHAT DOCTORS SAY IT IS.
There is an old saying STILL TRUE. “A doctor buries his/her mistakes.”
Today’s doctors have turned into witch doctors and snake oil salesmen.
“The data does show that during the 91 to 150 day waning period of vaccine effectiveness, the vaccinated group who used Pfizer were 76.5% more likely to be infected with a variant versus the unvaccinated population.“ This is an actual study being cited.
I hope at some point, scientific studies will carry more weight than statements made by pundits and politicians, like this type of assertion: ‘We know those who have been vaccinated have less sever symptoms and better outcomes than the unvaccinated…’
We are talking about mandates that severely undermine our laws and traditions based on nothing more than hysteria initiated by those who clearly benefit from the lockdowns, vaccines and censorship. Surely this insanity is nearing the end. As President Lincoln said, “You can’t fool all the people all the time.”
because mRNA has a shelf life until its all be turned into proteins.
then the immune system can only respond to A SELF-MADE-PROTIEN (that isnt foreign like traditional viruses) – so its immune response is PERVERTED and limited and at risk for Auto Immune
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Biotech gene therapy is best made for
Search for Slovakia’s covid statistics. On January 27 2021 Slovakia Health Ministry approved the therapeutic use of Ivermectin. This was a temporary approval of 6 months. On July 27 2021 temporary authorization for use of Ivermectin expired in the country. With the use of IVM, new cases zeroed. After the authorization expired new cases skyrocketed to a level that has never been seen before in the country and countinues to do so. There are cures to this flu like symptoms. Get your ivermectin before it is too late https://ivmpharmacy.com
Whatever the strain of the virus was…that infected me in early November….Ivermectin didn’t touch it but HCQ did. Beware buying these drugs outside of the US….customs is confiscating these packages. I got my meds through AFLDS via a US pharmacy. I see Dr. Stella Immanuel also provides the same service.
So, during the height of the Coronavirus crisis for at least a few months the vaccine protected the elderly which is what President Trump wanted!
Living in Connecticut, I subscribe to the Governor’s daily COVID update email. Connecticut is reported to have an 80%+ fully vaccinated rate, yet currently 75.9% of those being hospitalized for COVID are reported to be unvaccinated. This seems to run counter to so many reports that suggest that the vaccine is either counterproductive or ineffective at preventing hospitalization.
There is so much conflicting information, it can be hard to know what to do. Personally, I’m just watching the behavior and credibility of those pushing the vaccinations (both domestically and globally). While there are some credible voices, they seem to be a pretty small minority. Most voices, especially the louder ones, are saying some pretty ugly stuff.
For anyone interested, here’s a link to the 12/23 Connecticut report:
https://portal.ct.gov/Office-of-the-Governor/News/Press-Releases/2021/12-2021/Governor-Lamont-Coronavirus-Update-December-23
Compare Israel vs Connecticut and ask who is likely to be more honest with the data? Both are heavily vaxxed.
It comes down to whether you think US leftists are more dishonest than foreign leftists.
Old wives tale: Statistics don’t lie, but statisticians do lie.
Every level of government is lying about their medical statistics.
Here is something you CAN trust. Any treatment option suggested by any doctor is slandered and censored.
Only experimental jabs are allowed to be publicly supported. THAT ALONE SHOULD TELL YOU THIS IS NOT ABOUT SCIENCE OR HEALTH.
Keep in mind that those hospitals which are generating data and the state government publishing it are both in the pocket of big pharma. The government gets donations and back room deals. The hospitals are largely owned by pharmaceutical companies so selling the jabs is a money maker transfer of Federal dollars. Be very skeptical of official government reports.
I visited the website with data updated to 12/23/21
“Of the 837 patients currently hospitalized with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, 635 (75.9%) are not fully vaccinated.”
Two things, 75.9% sounds like a large number, but it’s only 635 not fully vaxed people. What is fully vaccinated? 1 jab, 2 jabs, all boosters? It doesn’t say it on that web page. That leaves 24.1% , 202 hospitalized, that have been fully vaccinated.
“The Connecticut Department of Public Health is reporting that as of December 22, 2021, a total of 43,337 cases of COVID-19 among fully vaccinated persons in Connecticut have been confirmed. Of the more than 2.5 million people in Connecticut who have completed their vaccine series, 1.74% have contracted the virus.”
1.74% doesn’t sound like a lot, but it’s 435,00 people, with 202 hospitalized, which is 4.6% of those that have contracted the virus after being fully vaxxed.
The site also says
“Compared to being vaccinated, being unvaccinated currently has the following relative risk:
If your risk is 0% then all the risks are zero.
One of the ivermectin researchers allowed somebody else to write the negative conclusion to a paper with data positive for ivermectin. His university was gifted a sizeable sum of money. Appears to have been a bribe.
https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c/FLCCC-WEBINAR-121521_FINAL:9
IOM Pfizer-Moderna have been bad news from the start.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/floating-material-found-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-vials-japan-but-company-says-it-s-not
Haha!
When you pick apart the Denmark data you get this:
there’s something antigenic in denmark: boosters show negative vaccine efficacy for casesa preliminary look at the denmark data
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/theres-something-antigenic-in-denmark
Data downloaded from this site: https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-vaccinationsdata
Denmark as of 24 December 77.2% two doses or one JJ – 81% started the vaccination regime.
NB: As far as I can conclude this figures are for the whole population. The percentage of vaccinated people are higher if you do not count the children who are not eligible for vaccination (yet). The elderly population more than >>90% vaccinated.
Fully vaccinated according to vaccine types: AZ 2212, JJ 46803, Moderna 610882, Pfizer 3876418
In percentage: 0.05%, JJ 1.0%, Moderna: 13.5%, Pfizer: 85.5%
So all these percentages should be multiplied by 77.2% to get the incidence of vaccinated according to vaccine type in the Danish population. Thus, 66% of the Danish population has been fully vaccinated with Pfizer. This is slightly less than the 76% calculated by Sundance. However, the data is complicated by the fact that a larger percentage has received an initial dose with Pfizer vaccine and also the fact that it is really the younger cohorts that are not vaccinated. If one looks at the at risk population, say 40 years and older the percentage of the population vaccinated is much larger.
See this link: https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/hvor-mange-er-vaccineret-i-danmark-nyeste-vaccinetal-overblik
Still the most important factor is that only 0.1% (73) of the presently infected patients (136998) in Denmark (mainly Omicron) are in serious or critical condition. At present the seriousness of the COVID-infection is almost on par with the seasonal flu and not with the alpha or delta COVID variants.
I should add that the seriousness of the Omicron infection in Denmark is almost on par with the seasonal flu given the present natural immunity and vaccination status of the population.
I was fully immunized with Moderna in late May of this year and became infected at the end of August. My symptoms were very mild. The government’s focus on vaccinations to prevent new infections is a demonstrable failure. Fauci’s absurd claim that he wouldn’t allow unvaccinated members of his family over for Christmas in light of the data supports this is less about stopping infections which they can’t, but about something else.
Vaccinations, masks, lockdowns etc. – not the right topic.
Only thing that matters is that Fauci. Daszak, Collins and parts of the Deep State paid the Chinese Communists to actually design and then make a biological weapon and then release it. They increased the viral load dramatically. They used gain of function research to do this. Why?
There are some 200 countries in the world and virtually none of them are calling for the arrest, trial and execution of these evil murderers. Why?
What’s more important – the question or the answer? The question is way more important – always. In this case the world has an utter lack of curiosity. It is not asking the right questions. Why?
John Galt III: Good point, indeed, and I suspect the reason for not asking the right question is that there will never be a satisfactory answer.
They either know the truth and don’t care or they don’t want to know the truth because they are too scared.
The laws of probability prove that Satan exist.
Believing in God is a matter of faith or having the brains to understand statistics.
At this point, there’s not much to fear from any “variant.” Everything is now driven by politics and money.
I see two good things in the recent data:
1. While some form of Vaccine Disease Enhancement does appear to be occurring, it does not appear to be ADE. While the jabbed may be more susceptible to Omicron infection, they experience mild symptoms just like cleanbloods.
2. The clear failure of the quackzines to stop Omicron infection and transmission is totally destroying any scientific justification for quackzine passports, jabbing children and discrimination against cleanbloods.
The virus and the huge control group of cleanbloods have defeated the plandemic of the Davos “elite”.
Yeah, unfortunately, while that makes sense to you and me, to the vaccinating control freaks, rational arguments don’t mean anything. There’s nothing you can tell them to convince them. They’re wedded to their beliefs.
You’ll be dead by then anyway.
That marmot has himself quite a view. He better keep an eye out for eagles, though.
mspsgt: Fearless Marmot don’t fear no eagles.
(We’ll just have to see how that works out).
This is my clinic. I believe this show that vaccination causes immune deficit and susceptibility to Covid after a few months, same as the Danish study.
Thanks for that comment!
I think we can take Sundance’s statement, “non-existent benefit from vaccination toward the Omicron variant” as a hypothesis and then look for confounders. For example, when antibiotics were introduced the incidence of some STDs rose in the population. This was not due to the ineffectiveness of the drugs, but because people stopped taking precautions knowing there was a cure. So, for example, if the vaccinated were allowed free access to public transport and mass-spreader type events and the unvaccinated were restricted, we would see an increase in covid infections in the vaccinated. That would be due to human behavior verses vaccine efficacy.
However, what bothers me “a little more” is the difference between Pfizer & Moderna as it is unlikely these two groups might be behaving differently… however that could be due to VE between the two vaccines, where one vaccine has a longer lasting effect???
It will take some time to puzzle all of this out, but the folks positing ADE do have a real horse in this race. IMHO
the training of the body can be done targeted (gene therapy) or by vaccine (whole virus).
The defence mechanism of the gene therapy has a limited backup system for identfying various ways to sneak by the immune system.
The defence mechanism of the whole virus vaccine, or simply catching it, has a wide array of identifcation methods of the entire backbone of the virus.
1) inject with gene therapy and look for spikes – it will catch all things coming in until its WORN OUT.
2) catch the virus, or be injected with a whole virus vaccine
Key words:
‘No repeat market…’
yep. the biggest issue was setting the Sales Teams loose. They did everything perfect
TGN1412: From Discovery to Disaster Attarwala H Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences, School of Pharmacy, Northeastern University, Boston, MA, USA Address for correspondence: Mr. Husain Attarwala; E-mail: [email protected]
ABSTRACT After a drug is confirmed as safe and efficacious in preclinical studies, it is tested in healthy human volunteers for first in man trials. In 2006, a phase I clinical study was conducted for a CD28 superagonist antibody TGN1412 in six human volunteers. After very first infusion of a dose 500 times smaller than that found safe in animal studies, all six human volunteers faced life-threatening conditions involving multiorgan failure for which they were moved to intensive care unit. After this particular incident, a lot was changed over how first in man trials are approved by regulatory authorities and the way clinical trials are conducted. This review primarily deals with preclinical studies conducted by TeGenero, results of which encouraged them to test the antibody on human subjects, reasons why this drug failed in human trial and aftermath of this drug trial. In addition, another drug—Fialuridine which failed in phase 2 clinical trial leading to death of five human subjects is briefly reviewed.
First sentence of the introduction:
“CD28 superagonist antibodies can cause activation and proliferation of regulatory T cells regardless of signal received by T-cell receptor.”
There many other experiments on humans that went wrong for immunity boosting therapies. You didn’t hear about this research and experiments. I won’t take the jab although I have the risk factors. In my favor I have optimum Vit D levels for the last 12 years plus take Vit C daily. I was flying from a heavily international airport (Ronald Reagan) without social distancing or masks in Jan-March of 2020. Not even a sniffle since then.
i believe it has been stated that omicron attacks the nose and throat and not the lungs. as opposed to delta which starts at the nose and throat and then attacks the lungs.
the pfizer and moderna vaccine apparently only promote protective antibodies to attack the virus attacking the lungs. not the nose and throay.
that is why those vaccines were not able to prevent Delta infection and transmission–since that occurs in the nose and throat. the vaccines are apparently able to protect from delta in the lungs etc. but that protection wanes and perhaps even causes ADE. And currently israeli authorities are trying to establish whether each successive shot confers less and less protection.
and that is why it is probable that vaccines arent able to ‘protect’ against omicron. any ‘protection’ against omicron among the vaccinated is probably occurring for vaccinated who also have had covid–it’s the natural immunity which probably is protecting.
the hilarious part is that for a year it was claimed that the vaccines promote antibodies. natural immunity provided the latent but powerful b and t cell protection.
suddenly, about three weeks ago, the powers that be began claiming that the vaccines also confer b and t cell immunity.
obviously, at this point, not one word told by establishment medical health authorities can be trusted.
noone under the age of 75 should be taking any vaccine shots.
Why 75? Any particular reason?
Cost benefit analysis.
I’m 77 and wouldn’t be caught dead taking any of these shots.
I’m 66 and will have to be dead before being given any of the shots.
I read recently neither the Vax, nor antibodies gained from covid, protect against omicron.
If true, more evidence we’re not only wasting money and time, but many lives on the worthless vaccine poisons…
www . sciencedaily . com / releases / 2021 / 12 / 211223151542 . htm
A 49 year old editor for the NY Times stationed in South Korea does a day after getting a booster. The Instagram posts that Berenson included in this wrote up say he was pro the not-a-vaccine.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/a-ny-times-editor-has-died-of-a-heart/comments
Amazing read! (facepalm)
And that was a NYT reporter, who is supposed to be informing the rest of us. What a nut case! The vaccine is EXPERIMENTAL which means the final outcome is unknown. Yet, because these guys put narrative before facts and data, that is how they behave… as if the narrative can make it so.
This is one of the things that has destroyed the NYT. I could easily see them proclaiming “Water on Mars!!!” before the NASA rover even gets there to do the required assays. (ugh)
It’s a Danish study not a Denmark study.
Latest Danish study shows cheese is number one 🙂
They also make really good ham there.
Ask ANOTHER question.
Ask THIS question:
To WHAT EXTENT does being vaccinated ALTER behavior because the vaxxed person now sees himself as ‘Bulletproof’, and now engages in risky behavior previously avoided?
How many people, now vaxxed, risk infection by no longer washing hands as thoroughly, no longer avoiding people who exhibit symptoms (or have doubtful health status), no longer avoid densely crowded indoor events, or no longer employ other means (masks) to retard transmission?
It’s a very good question, which I’ve pondered, myself. There is no accounting for so many variables.
This is why I take all these “studies” and stats with a grain of salt, and go by what I’m seeing with my own two eyes.
The best data is already published. Big Pharma and the FDA joined forces to make mush of any data when they conceived their “mix and match” approach.
Is anyone working up criminal referrals?
Huber will get right on that.
Apparently some Grits have accused Gates and big pharma of crimes against humanity at the ICC.
Looking at the evidence around the world that has been reported (cannot trust any from USA), the vaccine including boosters does nor prevent someone getting Covid, does not prevent transmission of Covid, does not keep you out of the hospital with any of the newer variants any different than an unvaccinated person. ADE and other side effects of the vaccine are being shown more and more.
I have prayed to the Lord to remove the sinful response of the world to this virus (created by man?) and I hope that Ohmicron might be a divine wind to go through the world to turn it into the common cold and end the use of our hospitals and nursing homes as killing fields and stop the vaccination poison in children which is continuing to this day.
It’s the exact same as the flu shot. If you are exposed to a variant that was not been included in the flu shot for that year, you are more likely to catch it than if you had not had the flu shot.
That’s why 2016 was so bad. CDC only about 17% right that year in guessing that season’s variants.
Predictable.
Sundance, you might want to have a look at this model and analysis:
https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/12/the-impact-of-misclassifying-deaths-in.html
Basically, they show that classifying those vaccinated within a week as being unvaccinated will create the illusion that the vaccines are effective. The result looks a lot like the death curves from many countries around the world.
Incidentally, I think this work is a great illustration of a useful model in that it illustrates the effect of changing a parameter on outcome.
The message? Vaccine efficacy may all be an illusion.
” If you control a man’s thinking you do not have to worry about his action. When you determine what a man shall think you do not have to concern yourself about what he will do. If you make a man feel inferior, you do not have to compel him to accept an inferior status, for he will seek it himself. If you make a man think he is justly an outcast, you do not have to order him to the back door. He will go without being told; and if there is no back door, his very nature will demand one.”
Carter Godwin Woodson
The Mis-Education of the Negro
If you are not jabbed, you are now, for all practical purposes, a Negro.
Beyond the issue of whether the vaxx does anything for you is the question does the vaxx actually harm you.
By the standards for which vaccines have been judged up until the year 2020, the answer is emphatically yes. It is so bad, there would have been no chance of it ever being approved. It has since killed or harmed so many, that it would be the greatest medical/scientific/politcal scandal in history. That is, if we had an honest media and a real opposition party.
And speaking of which, you can file this under Karma as well as typical MSM duplicity.
https://noqreport.com/2021/12/25/ny-times-editor-carlos-tejada-49-dies-of-heart-attack-as-corporate-media-ignores-what-he-was-injected-with-the-day-before/
NY Times Deputy Editor Carlos Tejada has died from a heart attack. In their 700+ word article discussing his life and career, they mentioned how he died but omitted one extremely important detail.
Tejada, 49, received his booster shot the day before his death. Independent Journalist Alex Berenson reported on his Substack:
Carlos Tejada was married and had two children; he spent his career at the Wall Street Journal before joining the Times in 2016. In July, he received a Johnson & Johnson DNA/AAV Covid vaccine. He was thankful to get it, per his Instagram page.
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Even in death, the left issues the required narrative talking points.
Nothing changes until a billion or so people of the world change the chant from the fun, FJB to serious, crimes against humanity.
More studies are showing the vaccinated at risk at a greater rate than the unvaccinated. Also more Americans are aware of what is happening. My dealings with many vaccinated people tell me they have had enough of the bs. They are not getting booster shots and I believe this will back the left wing dictatorship into a corner demanding more drastic lockdowns and vaccine mandates. The speed of new dictates will begin after the holidays.
The eternal dichotomy/divide between conservatives and liberals appears once again.
The conservative says there’s nothing new under the sun. The common cold/ flu ( Co-Vid) are eternal. Any so-called cure /vaccine and the virus will just evolve around it.
The liberal says we can make a new and perfect world. Just spend enough money and give the State enough power over your life.
So it goes..
The data showing a declining affectiveness of the vaccine over time is misleading because the variants take time to develop. Thus the exposure to a new variant only occurs after that time period.
The immune response to old variants also wane over time. It’s something that’s not very well understood.
But does it?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/if-youve-had-covid-youre-likely-protected-for-life_4169013.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-12-23-2&utm_medium=email
This whole thread from beginning to end is a display of muddled minds walking around in fog
How can the designer of and contributors to this thread , who attest to the fraudulent nature of the RT-PCR test , then turn around and comment on a study based exclusively on the RT-PCR test and not once mentioning the fraudulent basis of the study?
Someone explain that to me so I can feel better
I have pointed out in these pages many times Kary Mullis said the PCR test is NOT a diagnostic test!
(he also said fauci is an idiot and doesn’t know anything about anything and conveniently died right before all this went down)
and because of all the lying I don’t believe ANYTHING that comes out of the CDC!
The Mysterious Death Of Dr Fauci’s Most Notable Critic, Just Before COVID-19: Dr. Kary Mullis, The Inventor Of The PCR Technique
July 31, 2021admin
https://lightonlight.education/the-mysterious-death-of-dr-faucis-most-notable-critic-just-before-covid-19-dr-kary-mullis-the-inventor-of-the-pcr-technique/
This study is on “all cause mortality” so PCR tests are not involved.
Hop on a bus, Gus
This is definitely a change in tone from some of the posts in the past which insinuated that the vaccines were killing people in very large numbers. I personally felt it was getting a bit out of hand.
The main thing the [mandated] vaccines have killed is the Nuremberg Code and the Bill of Rights.
Hopefully there is a 2nd one soon.
Tell that to my vaxxed friends that died shortly after being vaxxed (heart attacks) despite being fit, thin and having no comorbidities except being over 65.
And you’d be wrong.
They are.
I’m having a hard time understanding people making a big deal about getting hold of Ivermectin to treat Omimoron? Why don’t you hold onto that Ivermectin for something more deadly or spend the money on a great pizza?
Insinuated? The numbers speak for themselves. In Vaers, more deaths from these “vaccines” in the year or so they’ve been out than from all vaccines together in the past 30 years. European lists, similar. No need to post. No need to insinuate. The numbers speak for themselves. These shots kill. No, not everybody. But unacceptably high numbers of people. Much higher than would have triggered a shutdown in previous years. Maybe it’s over the top to say our government is killing us. But it is a fact to state that our government is not protecting us from vaccines with high numbers of deaths the way they did in the past. Look at the numbers. They speak for themselves, and they are shouting.
Maybe it’s over the top to say our government is killing us.
No it is not! Threaten the good docs for proscribing off label meds that have been used BILLIONS of doses w/o issue and they want us to believe taking ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine is going to kill us all?
lots of statisticions, and researchers believe 200,000 to 800,000 have died from shots. A man named Kirsch is one that says CDC`s VAERS underreporting rate is at least 31. CDC says reporting rate usually 1 to 10%. Swine flu of 1979 was pulled after 50 deaths. Vaers is over 20,000, and another 155,000 seriously injured.
Great post. This is why I come to TCH.
Merry Christmas everyone!!
A look at Omicron and late Delta hospitalizations and deaths by Dr Mobeen Syed.
Quick take study out South Africa only 2.5% are winding up hospitalized compared to 20% with original covid
The good news is that the Moronic is clearly less deadly than the delta.
I would have highly preferred to have the O – the delta definitely did a little monkeying around in what the good doctors have been calling my “deep lung.”
However, even this gets a discernible amount better every day since.
I think all forms of immunity, vaccinated and natural, have been highly overrated as a result of the hardened political lines.
If you had Delta or Beta, you will also get Omicron. But Omicron is much more mild. Also, if you were vaccinated you will also get Omicron – if you are in any indoor group setting.
And yet, so what? I read that 90% of Omicroners are symptomless.
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Mycroft, I had to memorize that speech to pass high school English! Still remember it to this day, ha!
Dr. Peter McCullough says that natural immunity works against all the variants, and if you are unjabbed, and get the ChiCom Bioweapon once, it’s one and done.
Based on what he says, my guess is that many people who think they had the bioweapon more than once actually simply later had some other virus which causes cold or flu (remember them? the thousands and thousands of other viruses from a few years ago? the ones our immune systems are also beautifully prepared to cope with?).
And people’s testing positive for the bioweapon multiple times are merely a result of the PCR scam testing.
This should be good news to all, as well…
“However, ¹if the Pfizer vaccinated group within the total population is at or near 76%, and ¹if the Moderna vaccinated group within the total population is at or near 39%”
Which would total 115%. And that’s not even including whatever the percent would be for J and J. How could it be over 100%? What am I missing here?
nothing. just the public is not trained on what a puff article is
https://paleofuture.com/blog/2013/8/7/the-history-of-ads-disguised-as-news
The percentages cited are two different groupings.
The percentage of the vaccinated population within the total population.
The percentage of the vaccine groups within the vaccinated population.
For anybody who lives in the New England area, the Shaw’s grocery chain (which is otherwise hit or miss, and expensive) makes an absolutely terrific fresh chicken noodle soup.
I added a squirt of lemon juice to each bowl to help with the dry-mouth issue during my recent Week of Bioweapon. Practically lived on it.
What we’ve been seeing by doctors and hospitals can be described as nothing more than deliberate malpractice. The medical community…I will NOT call it a profession…knows both Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are effective. The corporate hospitals want the money from pharma and the government. The doctors are being blackmailed with the threat of their jobs for prescribing it.
What they are prescribing is the poisonous remdesivir. That it takes courts to order the use of both the drugs denied is disgusting. And not all courts (with zero medical training) approve a plaintiff’s case. So they are complicit in patient deaths along with the hospitals and doctors. These are facts. And they are disgusting facts. I’ve said enough. It’s nothing more than medical murder. And that’s a fact as well.
“Medical Profession” morphed into “Medical Community,” now “Medical Cartel”
I can agree with that completely.
And why the hell is it their business? If I agree to sign a waiver then why shouldn’t I direct my treatment? I mean it’s not like the medical mafia’s success rate is anything to brag about.
It is none of the judiciary’s business at all. Just like it is is none of the government’s business to order us to submit to a medical treatment. What next? Colonoscopies for all or lose your job? It would be an open door that could never be shut.
One lunatic power mad ignorant judge ordered a father in a custody case to get jabbed or never see his child again. A flagrant abuse of judicial power and absolute malfeasance. Your life or your child.
And you are correct. Deaths from medical malpractice are very high on the list of all causes of death. I trust no doctor now. I’m not alone I know.
I trust no doctor now. I’m not alone I know.
The doctors had me ready to bury December of 2019. I decided not to die and researched my symptoms and demanded treatment for what I concluded was my problem.
I’m still here and no I don’t have a lot of faith in the medical mafia.
Excellent, Mycroft (love your name…and your “brother”). Glorious on your part for doing your due diligence. Trust once lost is unrecoverable. You are wise to be on your guard. You remind me of Mungrel who does his own depth research when he’s being lied to.
I hope you are in good health now. You would probably be a better doctor than those you relied upon. Shame on them. Treatment, not Cures should be their money making motto, because in the end that’s what medicine is. Merry Christmas!
Way back in the mid 2000s an idiot emergency room doctor tried to install a pacemaker in me for a low pulse (I had gone there for a case of bad food poisoning). I heard the words and while the staff was out of the room, grabbed my phone, went to web, looked it up, and realized that it was simply low because of my low thyroid, not to mention my exercise addiction. By the time they came back, I had all the research ready to wave at them and stop them (also made them call my PCP office to verify).
You have to be your own doctor. It’s the only way now.
Morning steph…I answered your reply to me above. I have clarified my answer regards the test for the variants.
I can related! Most of my life I worked outside and did a lot of climbing. My heart rate and BP were extremely low. Nurses would check my readings repeatedly because they couldn’t believe what they saw. My GP said my mouth would get me killed but my heart was the least of my problems. LOL
They’ve taken managed care to it’s ultimate outcome.
My message to them is “You will unmanage my care. It is not yours to manage.”
Managed out of your life. The same as the UK’s Liverpool Care (or rather “Care”) Pathway. Starvation and dehydration. I see the evil Ezekiel Emmanuel’s hand in all of this.
Yep. In too many cases it’s a one way street.
It’s managed for them, not for us.
Exactly so.
The “Pharma-Medical Financial Complex” has been revealed to be “The Pharma-Medical Financial Conspiracy.”
Yes sir. And it is extremely upsetting. And probably RICO level illegal.
If you are more susceptible to Omicron after the jab, that would not necessarily indicate a stronger native immunity in the u vaccinated, but could in fact indicate a weakened immune system in the jabbed.
see this study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.03.21256520v1
Or this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8538446/
That makes very good sense.