West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin held a press conference moments ago to say he’s done with the insufferable chicanery within the legislative social spending bill, also called the “human infrastructure bill” or Biden’s “build back better” bill, or the “reconciliation bill”.
Nancy Pelosi has been sitting on the previously passed $1.5 trillion infrastructure bill that was passed by the House and Senate {Go Deep} but has refused to allow a vote until a bigger social spending bill -constructed using the reconciliation process to radically change the U.S. by the AOC radical communists in congress- can be attached. For months the debate over how far the communists can push the social spending package has been argued and debated, today Joe Manchin tapped out.
Manchin has done today what he was always likely to do, and two issues triggered today as his moment. The cherry in his construct is Biden’s current location. WATCH:
Now, let’s get to the politics of why Manchin is making his move….
It is not coincidental that Manchin makes this statement today, as the NBC poll showing massive drops in support for Joe Biden is being discussed widely. Manchin knows he is sitting in a spotlight of an inflection point; Manchin is politically astute and cunning to the ways of politics. Manchin comes across as meek and mild-tempered, a man of reasonable disposition… but that doesn’t accurately portray his cunning. This is his chance to make a big move.
Senator Joe Manchin also knows that Democrats are going to implode as the Obama allied communist puppet masters behind Biden have a one term agenda to exploit their control over the dementia patient currently occupying the White House. Manchin knows the collapse of the Democrat Party is his opportunity; he also knows THE REALITY behind the released Marist Poll [data here] showing a majority of non-communist Democrats want nothing to do with the senile occupant of the White House.
Manchin is making a BIG club move by positioning himself as reasonable right now.
Manchin is testing his strength against the strength of Nancy Pelosi.
Manchin will likely be the #1 contender in 2024, he knows it.
Manchin is cunning.
Manchin is not only reaching out to ‘moderate’ registered Democrats….
Manchin is reaching the minds of registered Republicans
Manchin is a very worthy adversary…
At 1:00am on August 25th, Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats came to an agreement on a massive spending proposal. The Senate previously passed a $1.5 trillion “infrastructure” bill, and a group of 9 House moderates -led by Josh Gottheimer- wanted to see it pass. However, the far-left progressive caucus wanted their $3.5 trillion spending package which includes Green New Deal spending passed as part of the total budget agenda.
Representative Gottheimer’s group did not concur with the House $3.5 trillion spending proposal and saw no way for it to pass the Senate.
An internal deal was struck amid the Democrats for Gottheimer’s coalition to agree to advance a rules change with two conditions on that August 25th late night discussion {GO DEEP}:
(1) Pelosi would have to promise to bring the $1.5 infrastructure bill to a vote on September 27th; and (2) Any larger GND/”Human Infrastructure” bill ($3.5 spending package) would need to be structured to pass the Senate.
Again, back on August 25th, the ‘moderate’ Marxists (for lack of a better term) could see that AOC’s progressive caucus spending bill was unlikely to pass the Senate in its current form. To get the Gottheimer group on board, House Speaker Pelosi agreed to the two conditions, as negotiated. To appease the AOC nuts, everyone agreed to tie both the $1.5 trillion infrastructure and the $3.5 trillion spending boondoggle together.
Fast forward through the next eight weeks. The Senate struggled to come to any agreement, as Senator Manchin (WV) and Senator Sinema (AZ), along with others, balked at the insufferable nature of the $3.5 trillion radical change blueprint that would remake the entire U.S. economy and end up with a massive $5+ trillion deficit.
Because the second point in Gottheimer’s deal (House bill must be able to pass the Senate) was not met, the entire process came unraveled. Pelosi reneged on the promise to bring the $1.5 trillion infrastructure bill to a vote on September 27th. As the deadline passed, Pelosi tried to save face -en process- by saying the vote would be likely on Friday October 1st, that never happened. Deadlines came and went without progress.
With public support for the office of the President collapsing at an astounding rate, Joe Biden attempted to insert himself and his weak-sauce leverage at the last minute. It didn’t help. The $3.5 trillion spending priority quickly turned into a dead fish, rotting in blueprint outline form without ever making it to ‘reconciliation’ legislative language.
Today, Joe Manchin moved to put Nancy Pelosi and the communists in check.
Manchin has the support of the House Democrats and House Republicans but not the communists or AOC.
Knight took queen off the board….
Like a fox…
Too early to tell, but little by little it looks as if Manchin is letting whatever better self he has come to the fore.
More likely his better politically astute self
Correct. Trump won W. Virginia by almost 40 points over Biden!!!
And he voted to impeach PDJT, yet he is still supported in WVA. I don’t get it, but his constituents like him.
He really is not that popular around here. A lot of money, and a Republican by the name of Patrick Morrisey led to his last election. Nearly four years later, and he is going to have to cheat big inorder to win. If we actually ever had a fair election, pretty sure even Bill Cole could beat him.
Yeah… I hear you…I was being more or less hopeful on that one. Because he is the only Dem I see that is half human. But I think his political antennae are more sensitive than any of his utterly wretched colleagues. We’ll see. At some point even he has to look in the mirror.
Is Joe Manchin cut from the cloth of Joe Biden?
I’ll have a look. But I’ll say this. I’ve watched Biden for decades. He’s slimy and has always been sleazy, greasy, utterly repulsive in looks and speech. I don’t see that in Manchin. Again, not supporting, just observing.
He doesn’t have a better self. This is purely to save his job in his state.
Nope purely to line his pockets. Fair election Mitch Carmichael would give him a run for his money. If the cheat is on, it doesn’t matter. Either way, rest assured Joe Manchin doesn’t give a single thought as to what the people of this state think of him.
Well maybe he should start, though I’d hope a decent non-Rino would beat the you know what out of him.
Manchin has repeatedly proven his ambitions to deceive his constituents and to sell out his nation. This move makes it all far more profitable.
Bingo.
Granted they are all in it for what they can get out of it. And yes, given Mr Trump’s margin of victory in WVA, I was surprised he won re-election . Shocked even. But I think he is a practical man inasmuch as any politician can be. I’m not endorsing him. What I am doing is watching him. And since he is from one of the poorest, if not THE poorest, states in the Union, and since all of the regime’s policies are probably hitting them harder, I suspect he’s getting a lot of blowback from the people he is supposed to represent.
He just strikes me as someone who is wrestling with what his party so obviously is…corrupt, lunatic, off the rails, greedy, add any word of opprobrium you wish. And I sense he doesn’t want to be labeled with them. I hope I’m right, and won’t be surprised to see him revert to type. As I said, it’s too early to tell, but at least he’s sticking to his guns here, and anything that denies the filthy Dems a win, I’ll take.
If you knew John Raese and Patrick Morrisey, you would not be shocked he was reelected in 2018. 24 is a bit away, but he is not likely to gain popularity around here going forward. Right now, Either he cheats or he looses. This move doesn’t help him with W V voters. The few Dem left despise him now. Everybody else already disliked him.
So good to hear from a WVA resident who knows the lay of the land. Capito is a RINO, though she didn’t seem so at first. Will be interesting to see who runs against Manchin.
So Manchin will stay a democrat?
Of course he will.
And he will be more republican than the republicans.
Not difficult to do.
Shifting definitions. And they all rolled left while kicking the one farthest to the right – right out.
Shifting the Overton Window.
He garners a great deal of attention in his current party affiliation. No reason why he should.
Exactly. He is the most powerful democrat in the senate – why would he switch parties?
As Bongino has quoted “There is power in the politics of saying no.”
but could he draw support from disaffected Republicans who see him as as more MAGA – common sense – than many Republicans?
Of course he will although the obamaistas will go after him and sinema now.
No way a Leopard is going to change it’s spots.
Slick move. Surprisingly so.
Excellent analysis, Sundance, thank you.
Do I trust Manchin?
No.
But, on this mess he has held his ground, and he didn’t let the communists win, and they abused him in their effort. Still, he did not give in to the communists. I respect that.
They’ll make his life more miserable than they have so far.
I don’t think it’s over, yet.
Has the fat lady sung? If not, then do not be surprised if Manchin ends up supporting a larger spending bill, but perhaps not quite as large as $3.5 T. His M.O. is to wait until the last minute and then cave. He does that every time on every issue that I can remember.
I hope this time is different according to Sundance analysis this a major political move that may just advantage us.
I’m offended by the fat lady reference.
Signed,
Ron Klain Dressed Up as a Woman
Hillary
Senator Mazie Hirono
Rosie O’Donnell
Bill Kristol
Watching corrupt Democrats feed on each other’s carcasses like the immoral soulless animals they are inside where it matters, is almost as satisfying as watching RINOs resign and be voted out of office from the Republican party.
With this apparent public stand by Manchin, the Demented Fraud’s pathetic poll numbers, (which are likely much worse than reported) the push back on the vax scam, Afghanistan disaster, the California port mess and now more evidence coming to light re the Jan 6th FBI operation, the Fraud’s puppeteers will need a big false flag terrorist event. Curious about that Virginia terrorist attack warning with the potential of a crushing defeat for another of their puppets in tomorrow’s Virginia governor’s election. At the rate the Odumbo crew is getting slapped in their socialist takeover of America, they’ll need a headline grabbing event soon. Watch for another big terrorist event in the next few weeks.
I hope he realizes the Queen still has mob connections………………..
Which Queen? HRC, Pelosi, BHO, Buttigieg, AOC? Too many to count!
“Which Queen?”
? ? ?
There certainly aren’t many Kings in either party. That would require testicular fortitude which, excluding President Donald J. Trump, has been MIA from Washington DC for several decades.
Don’t forget, MTG is there now, GB… She could teach a lot of them about that there ‘fortitude’….
Doesn’t matter. The whole thing is unraveling. They stole the election and lost the Consent of the Governed. They can do what they want and eventually it’s going to boil over. We may have already passed that threshold and nobody has noticed yet. Wait until you have massive shutdowns due to people going on strike for not taking the shots.
The big day is tomorrow, 11/2. If we win Virginia it will be a death blow to the D RATS. I bet you will see a lot of D RATS retire early including PIGLOSI, if we win Virginia.
I love your optimism for VA, but mine is heavily tempered by the recent Cali demo of continued, successful Dhimmicrat cheating. Governor Noisome shoulda been gone, too.
Watch the down ballot. Winning back the legislature or even one of the two houses, would send DC Democrats into a very bad place mentally.
If Youngkin wins it will be because the swamp wants him to win. It’s not who gets the most votes, it’s who counts the votes.
The shutdowns have only just begun, add to many shutdowns that have already taken place an additional 26,000 laid off without pay just today in NYC
Sundance, your investigative skills are unmatched. But your humor w/choice of pics is icing on the cake. :):)
When I look at that picture, I see Fauci and the beagles. I can’t stand that man Fauci. They should put his head in with those flesh eating bugs.
Hear, hear.
That’s why we visit the Treehouse daily.
Agree, manchin appears to be smart enough to take advantage of the current political disaster in DC and gather all the leverage he needs to rise in power.
Suspicious cat is wondering if manchin was chosen for this role, to try to save the D party from total destruction. Kabuki?
He’ll basically be aspiring to what Clinton and Obama have done. Take power to then sell it off to who wants access. Pay for Play.
You’re asking all the right questions….
The $1.5 billion deal is a commie’s dream too.
Exactly. It was always gonna be this bill. To make this bill look better was the 5 trillion bill’s sole function . ?
Yes! They played the game in such a way, that it now looks like a very reasonable proposal!
Trillion
Perzactly! The $1.5 Trillion deal only has around 500 billion for actual infrastructure and even that is smothered in Green New Deal regulations and stipulations.
Compared with PT’s original $1 Trillion Infrastructure proposal that was more of the federal government matching dollar for dollar state/county/private money. So actually $2 Trillion worth of investment for actual infrastructure projects compared to this green/socialist nonsense worth only $500 Billion on pet projects.
But we’re suppose to consider it a big win that this junk legislation will pass because at least it is not $ 5 Trillion total.
Congress Critters doing what they do best! Shuck and Jive, Smoke and Mirrors.
This kind of speech seemed geared at winning Dems who aren’t on board with the radical transformation BACK and AWAY from the MAGA camp (Trump/DeSantis). Manchin will have the full support of both “left” and “right” wings of the Uni-party bird in 2024, especially if DeSantis prevails in the R primary (I don’t think 45 will run again). Of course, a W/W for the Uni-party would look something like Haley vs Manchin.
I believe Manchin would have a hard time winning the Democrat nomination
based on the nature of the Dem Primary voter universe.
They could cheat again but I think people are wising up. I think people are going to get a lot more bold about blowing the whistle on fraud in the next few election cycles.
Virginia will be the test, let’s see how easy it is for them to cheat tomorrow.
If we haven’t wised up in Virginia tomorrow then we’re for sure done.
The fact that people were talking about lynching people over gun control in 2020 in VA makes me think things could become explosively unpleasant if it turns out there was fraud and nobody acts on rectifying it.
Wordman States important FACT currently- who knows what’s going to happen in next 24 min let alone 24 months?
Doesn’t change anything – article is about UNIPARTY
As much as Demrat party .
People still don’t get that basic CRITICAL point –
You are right and he wont. He will get asked to be VP like Lieberman balanced Gore. Wont work.
Sundance is right as usual. The DEM party will split in 2 if a woman of color is not the top of the ticket. Sundance is right as usual but I think he is looking to 2028 instead.
He’s 74 I don’t think he’s looking at 2028.
Besides, our Metro DC neighbors despise WV as backward. They could never vote for Manchin.
They for sure look down on us. Even the folks in Berkeley and Jefferson Counties are beneath them.
What China Joe is doing to the Country right now, and if they get rid of him and put Camel Ho in as President, she would only sink the Country further down the abyss. I don’t care who the D RATS put up for President in 2024 the D RATS are done as a party for a couple of generations. People are waking up to how destructive the D RAT party is. No one is going to save them.
I know it’s sounds hard to believe, but Joe “get your Epi-pen here” Manchin would seriously have a hard time winning in WV let alone the party nomination.
That’s an astute observation. Haley versus Manchin would be smoke-and-mirrors Uniparty candidates on both sides of the 2024 election.
Interesting. He has always struck me as sort of cowardly.
Maybe shrewd is a better word. I agree with Sundance. He’s making a big power move, and the time was right for it.
There are people behind Manchin. He has their support or else he’d not have shown any courage in this. He has always folded pretty fast in the past. That he hasn’t this time means some powerful folks have told him he’ll be rewarded for this.
Perhaps or maybe the puppet sees an opportunity to be a puppet master. Or perhaps leverage to have his own autonomy. He will be in a good position to influence peddle like Clinton and Obama and McCain. And the current DNC is imploding. You can cheat all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that you have no real support and people will actively start defying you and the “law” will ultimately become toothless.
I think Manchin is trying to preserve the old “status quo” that they had before Obama came along and put himself into a position to benefit from it.
You’re right. If he’s flexing anything at all, it’s only because someone else is pulling his strings. Even his dissent was clearly scripted and set up for camera optics when Manchin shook his head in shame as Schumer slandered Republicans.
Well, how long before they figure another way to bring this back up to screw America?
It won’t be long, they most likely have other evil tactics up their “sleeves”!
You always have to look at the swamp through the political prism it’s to bad they can’t do something because it’s the right thing to do.
Machiavelli lives.
So who is behind the man?
US Chamber of Commerce?
Time to start looking.?
The devil is behind the deep-state/Democrat/RINO uni-party.
Sundance is saying this will be our opponent in 2024. In that I agree.
Do we need another BILL thrust on our backs? We send elected representatives to run government, in return our nation is 28 Trillion in debt and they want to pile on 5 Trillion more.
In 10 months this administration has destroyed our economy, mandated vaccination that doesn’t work, bottlenecks western ports, increase cost of logistics by factor of 10 and doubled fuel prices.
Again when is enough enough?
He will be a formidable opponent in a race for the White House – regardless of what team he is on.
His voting record is pure progressive on but a few occasions where they didn’t need his vote.
Yup… when you absolutely, positively, don’t need Joe’s vote — he’ll always be there for you (I mean himself)….
Formidable – like Biden? When the Uniparty cheats, they’ll push any useful tool on the public and say the candidate is golden.
Sundance … Manchin isn’t all that politically brilliant. If you look at Manchin’s history, you’ll see he has balked at most of the Democrat’s plays until he knows it’s absolutely *safe* for him to vote with them. Look back at his last election … he nearly lost. Manchin was a WV darling and almost to the level of Byrd, but he screwed up and ticked a lot of West Virginians off.
It wasn’t brilliance that Manchin held off, it would have been political suicide for him to go along with the Democrats. He knew it. WV knew it. Now that the winds have changed a bit, Manchin is looking to take advantage of the situation. He wasn’t brilliant. He was a buzzard looking at Biden and wondering if the old goat would die and bloat or revive. Now that it’s the former, Manchin is just doing what he’s always done. Try to look good for WV so he can either get reelected or move on up.
What people don’t understand is how WV went from a Democrat State to a Republican State. It didn’t. It’s a perfect case study on how political sides have shifted leftward. WV had Old Democrats. Sort of like the Blue Dog Democrats. When the Democrat party started going leftward, it took the Republican party with it. So, naturally, all those people in WV who have held onto their political stances found themselves aligning more and more with Republicans. There was no major transformation of the state. The Republican party as it stands today is more like the old Democrat party of years ago.
Perfectly put. You grasp precisely what has and is taking place in WV.
Lived in WV most of my life. It’s Almost Heaven to most of us. It’d be Heaven but we have to deal with the greedy, cheating politicians throughout the state.
Watch Oxyana on YouTube (town is Oceana). Tragic.
You got it. Manchin started in the house of delegates running on his uncle AJ’s name. He simply stayed in line and kept moving up the ladder. When KKK Bob byrd kicked, Joe was too much of a coward to just appoint himself to fill the seat, he got Goodwin to agree to not run then appointed him and called for a special election to be held 2 months later. John Raese was just more unpopular than Joe. Rinse and repeat two years later and joe was set. Then comes Patrick Morrisey in 2018, the man is from New York. We learned our lesson with Jay Rockefeller, so here we are with Epi pen Joe sitting in the Senate. We didn’t so much become more republican as much the democrats left us.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Pelosi’s gonna be hittin the Chardonnay heavy tonight.
Mylan Joe is no friend of yours. Trust me.
The Manchin-uria Senator might be a snake, but this declaration ill be hard to slither away from
The problem here is that Manchin is despised now by Democrats outside of WV.
If his play is to run as President, he’s not a smart man. (1) He’s white. (2) He’s a man. (3) The media/progressive Left has already successfully pegged him as a traitor. (He and Sinema are their version of Mike Pence).
He is only going to be “despised” by the AOC/Sanders wing of the party.
Manchin is betting the communists lose.
That bet, in and of itself, is the real news.
Concur. Clyburn shut down Sanders and helped Biden get elected.
Club won’t let cut them hand that feeds them.
Sundance…appreciate the response.
I agree, BUT I don’t think he understands the base of his own party anymore.
Looking at Venezuela, the Left has nowhere to go.
The FDR/New Deal years were essential years for the Democrat Party. The Republican Party dominated American Presidential politics from Lincoln to Hoover. Hoover was a disaster that the Republican Party has yet to overcome. Eisenhower constructed a globalist/interventionist model for the Republicans that Liz Cheney and George W. and Miss Lindsey cannot escape.
Corporatism appears to be the future of America. The truth that is screaming to be unleashed is the need for nationalism. If the leftists achieve their putative desire for a less colonialist, imperialist America, and a weaker, poorer America, then what is left is a sadder, smaller America, concerned with survival. In other words, every other country.
He truly is not liked by most of the remaining Democrats in West Virginia. They don’t really have anybody else, but they don’t like him. If they had anybody else they would dump him.
Progs will make people pay.
However, he DOES a good job of putting forth a “temperament” that Americans like, unlike POTUS 45.
Keep in mind that they might “despise” him now for not being sufficiently progressive now but would vote for him (or rather for the letter D after the name) in 2024 regardless. He can even attract a large number of RINOs who would see him as “presidential” and his position as conventionally reasonable.
If you check out the Left on social media, they hate Manchin as much as MAGA hates Pence now.
IMO, the Dems can’t win without their “progressive” (I hate that term, there is nothing progressive about them) base. It would be like us saying a Republican can win with MAGA sitting at home.
Really the dems here don’t like him. They really don’t have any body else to replace him. The die hard dems are going to support the D but there just aren’t nearly enough of them around here anymore. He really is just grabbing as much cash as he can. He always thought he could make a run at the white house, but I don’t think that is what this is.
Manchin is an old-school democrat from a blue collar state proud of its work ethic, family values and patriotism. I would not misinterpret his very savvy moves as entirely opportunistic, although of course there is that element. He strikes me as principled at his core and his decisions driven by fundamental beliefs informed by his values. Heck, he even looks like he’s from central casting as the Washington outside grinding the gears of the insufferable privileged and irrational zealots. Love it, love it, love it.
You’re projecting your good values on a man who has none.
Do “family values” include the murder of unborn children? Asking for the millions and millions of kids killed since 1973 in the name of “choice”.
“He strikes me as principled at his core and his decisions driven by fundamental beliefs informed by his values.” How many times has this guy said he wasn’t going to vote for some atrocity, and then caved? Sadly, you are easily fooled.
His daughter did a heck of a job getting a degree at WVU that she didn’t earn and then jacked up prices on EpiPens at Mylan (after cutting a deal with Pfizer).
No he really is not. He is a career politician from a family of politicians. From a state who’s history is filled with corrupt politicians, he is amongst the more corrupt. He is amoral and unrepentant. He absolutely has not a single principled value in him. He simply does not. T A J would be agast if he saw the crap Epi Pen Joe has gotten by with. Heed these words, Joe Manchin is far more corrupt than Arch More ever dreamed of being.
I am glad.
The party is imploding and he knows it. Manchin knows if they keep doubling down on their fraud and corruption then the ENTIRE CLUB WILL LOSE. He’s positioning himself to be the head of the Club, sweeping Obama, Pelosi, and the Clintons aside. He’s the nicer version of the Democrat Party that will “reform” the party to going back to the status quo of doing nothing, solving no problems while bilking the taxpayers.
Trump will absolutely massacre this guy.
The powers that be have allowed/encouraged the Left to so radicalize themselves that I don’t know if they can pull back from this level of craziness. We’re talking about morons who believe people can choose their own gender, who think the Bill of Rights and Constitution are evil documents, who think political opponents should be censored, imprisoned, and even killed.
How do you come back from that, especially with the schools, entertainment industry, and media pushing them not to?
He has the support of a whole host of very scared Dem House members as well as Dem senators who know Biden and Nancy and AOC have blown up the old Dem Party.
He’s not brave. He has a host of those behind him.
Brave is standing tough when you do NOT have anyone standing behind you, seen or not.
Check back after the Virginia Gubernatorial election results are revealed. However long that takes.
In a subtle way he is following the Dem mantra, never let a crisis go to waste.
He toes the party line almost all of the time with not that many exceptions.
He’s sly, representing a state that has been targeted by the Dems with their insane war on coal and fossil fuels. He does just enough to stay a D in a state that clearly has R values.
I do not trust him. He’s a Decepticon with a clear view on self interest.
Do not take heart, do not be fooled.
Well, he would be better than either FJB or Kamala. That said, it is kind of like choosing between a gunshot to the head and one to the chest. I’ll pass on both.
No he wouldn’t. The man is vile. Seriously the man would steal from his brother. Oh wait he already did that.
I never take Joe Manchin at face value. When he is a deciding vote he either jockeys for more treats for his state or in this case sees an agenda that’s political suicide for him in his state. He now has a target on his back by the obamaistas as does sinema. Both are from states that can go red as easily as blue. And yes the timing by Manchin is intentional. FJB is too detached from reality to fully grasp the implications but Kammy certainly is and so are Schumer and Pelosi. I think Sundance could be right on this one. Manchin sees a huge problem the dems.
The treats are not for his state, they are for him. Look up his wife Gail and daughter Heather.
I think it hardly matters……
You may have a job in three years… same can be said of your home…. your children’s education…….. your flag….. your supplies….. your rights…. your freedom.
Lets face it…another three years of Biden and the Dems and the USA is a dead duck.
“I see shell games … budget gimmicks …”
Check, but not checkmate, yet.
While I do not support the BBB, it is saddening that it would fail due to political reasoning as opposed to economic or governmental philosophy reasoning. Too many politicians (on both sides of the aisle) care more about being reelected than working for America.
The Uniparty seeks to divide us endlessly so they can conquer us. It’s encouraging to see that they also have significant schisms and fractures amongst themselves.
We the People have to resist being divided. Vaccinated, unvaccinated, stay united. Joe Biden is accidentally uniting the country like never before.
Why hasn’t Manchin switched to GOP? Makes no sense; a switch to GOP would end the nonsense.
He’s always had more attention as a Dem. Pols have huge egos.
He has much more power as the deciding vote on everything as a Dem. Nothing passes without him.
Now he can position himself as the savior of the party when it crashes and burns under current leadership.
By leadership, I mean the Obama way – not necessarily Pelosi and Schumer.
These cats always get much more media face-time as a potential defector/rebel, on either side of the incestuous aisle, feeding the ego while re-positioning The Party in the public square. Looks like assigned Role Playing, to me.
Same reason Collins hasn’t
The FDR/New Deal ideology is enormous.
Democrats are the champions of the poor (white poor).
Republicans are the party of the rich. This anachronistic belief system still plays in a few southern rural areas, like West Virginia. Even while most Democrats are screaming that southern whites are racists, this plays.
No money in it for him.
“Manchin will likely be the #1 contender in 2024, he knows it.”
I was thinking the same. Beware Joe Manchin though. He always campaigns as a conservative in a conservative state, and then votes the Pelosi party line.
I believe this is the beginning of Plan B for 2024. Biden has absolutely no chance (even if he decided to run). Kamala – same. I suspect this current action translates into “I’m Joe Manchin and I’m running for President 2024.” Otherwise he would be stripped of all power and ex-communicated by the Dems for not obeying. Make no mistake, Nancy approves this.
Concur. The queen is off the board…. happily.
I hope.
Rush Limbaugh predicted that the Democrats were simply done with democracy.
At some point the Democrats will cross the Rubicon and stop pretending that they are a liberal democratic entity. Was 2020 that day?
The Virginia Gubernatorial election of 2021 may be that watershed.
The Democrats of today are positively a one-party entity. They aspire to a one-party State. Their intense opposition to free speech and dissent flows from their fascistic opposition to dissent in any form. Unanimous support will produce magical results. That is Fascism.
Stacey Abrams has already been selected to be the next president.
Well, given the excellent job she’s done as the Governor of Georgia, I can see why she would be! ?
Oh so you remember the cap and trade advertisement do you? Manchin is going to that which makes Manchin the most money.
Communist take over must be sweeping or it will fail, The commie dem will continue their leftist ways, they push too hard to fast and far-left this is America freedom is in our veins and we can fell the winds of change and we don’t like it. FJB181
WV conservatives MIGHT praise Manchin, out of a desperate feeling of the country is spinning out of control, but I’ll not forget Manchin’s cowardice in the past. I didn’t vote for him, but I had to pinch my nose and vote for Capito.
Manchin will need police protection.
“Build Back Better”….
B….B….B….
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It’s in your face symbology….
They think we’re stupid.
Manchin: “It’s time to pass the bill and quit playing games…” spoken like a boss.
Funny how just listening to a Democrat say seemingly reasonable things for a few minutes makes us think that passing a $1.5 TRILLION infrastructure bill that includes a federally mandated car mileage tax and driver monitoring devices is actually a good idea.
It’s called Stockholm Syndrome.
Probably will be a mysterious fire that will burn his boat to the waterline.
Can we pose as liberals and demand – DEMAND! – that Manchin and AOC have a standoff?
I’m glad Pelosi will be retiring without this spending trophy for her American (dis)mantel. But I’d be happier if she’d retire in cuffs.
I think Pelosi’s hubby will be buying some stock in Smirnoff today. Nancy is gonna lose it.
Wow! I just witnessed the first credible democrat Presidential candidate in years. Not sure if he is for real but it sure sounded good. If Manchin runs it is going to be a unexpected contest for President in 2024. I did not realize there was a fox left in the dem field. He’s been hiding in plain sight all this time. The dims are probably rushing out polls now.
He will have a new vacation home shortly , just ask bernie what he got for going with the flow ,or communism.
Manchin 2024? No. Lots and lots of prominent American politicians went through long careers in Congress without seeking the Presidency (McConnell). Some see that as a demotion.
Manchin may well be a Democrat Party chauvinist, who is thinking of the future of the Party long-term. Many older Democrats see the New Deal world view of FDR as the essence of their party (and America). Pelosi is one, but she bends and doesn’t break with socialists.
The Democrats have finessed their relationship with leftists for a very long time. Wilson put Debs in jail during World War I, and still socialists supported their party. FDR made Wallace his VP, but the Party leadership inserted Truman when Roosevelt was at death’s door. And still the leftists supported them. Democrat VIPs pride themselves on being skilled at handling the wild animals of their party like AOC. They are better lion tamers than Clyde Beatty.
This perverse game cannot end well, but don’t look to RINOs to seize the moment. Whatever huge event is coming won’t come from our two-party deadlock.
Joe Manchin can absolutely be counted on to do that which makes Joe Manchin the most money. He doesn’t care about his party, his state, or his country. I am not totally convinced that he cares about his daughter.
Any Democrat that departs from the crazy party line is merely a variant of the same lefty virus.
Manchin is still a snake. He will fold as soon as the Commies make the Pot right for him..
“…Big Club move…”
Hence re-defining ‘the center’ as whatever the moderate Dhimmicrats and the quietly smirking GOPe say it is.
Theater for the peasants. Just had 1.5 trillion dropped into big club coffers. Do enjoy imagining Pelosi’s reaction though.
Do I see a DNC POTUS Candidate shaping..?
I find myself wondering exactly this. Have done for a few weeks now.
He did this the last time he was up for re-election. He voted to confirm Kavanaugh. And he was re-elected by his lowest margin ever.
but dear heart, he was re-elected. he is the only democrat i can hear putting the COUNTRY and PEOPLE FIRST.
Yep. We thought Manchin refused to jump to the GOP because he understood how big a hammer he wields in Demo-world. We were correct.
Yep and he’s hated by all the “right” people in the Demo world. Looking at you squad peeps.
Manchin was a rising star until he killed Obama’s gun control bill in the Senate ~2011. It was suppose to die in the House which had just flipped to the Republicans in 2010. Common sense gun control would have been an issue for the Democrats instead of defending ObamaCare in 2012. Schumer sent Manchin to the dog house for that, and he later tried to craft bipartisan, common sense gun control with Senator Toomey, as I recall.
Looks like he’s back. The sort of Democrat they like to run as a moderate, but he’ll govern well left of center.
Hypothetically, an individual Democrat might make a passable candidate, but once elected to the White House, no Dem can assemble a Dem-dominated policy team or make executive appointments that are not riddled with the worst the left has to offer. “Personnel is policy,” the saying goes, so even if Manchin is a ‘moderate,’ his administration would be anything but. Same for almost any other Dem you can name these days.
Agreed Fritz, but playing Devil’s Advocate here…How different would Manchin…a moderate left of center Democrat… be than any Republican not named Trump? Didn’t Ryan and McCain and McConnell and Kavanaugh and Bush and Flake and Collins and…show us that they too are in truth moderate left of center Democrats?
DeSantis is a true Trumpian fighter.
DeSantis is a common sense, smart and very effective governor. He always does the right thing for his people and he NEVER backs down to the lib mob crazies.
The ONLY thing WeThePeople need to remember about Manchin … his daughter became a multi-millionaire off her exploding price points on LIFE & DEATH epi-pens … because of legislation daddy passed … evil.
Was it Epipens or Narcan pens. There is a billboard when you enter WV urging citizens to carry Narcan to save lives of their fellow citizens. It’s on Rt50 coming out of Winchester Va. I guess it’s at your own expense.
He governed as a moderate as governor of West Virginia
What was the composition of the legislature when Manchin was governor?
You mean when he pressured WVU to give Heather a master’s degree so she could take over Mylan pharmaceutical. Then threw the poor suckers under the bus when they got caught. Was that the moderate part. Even Shelly MO Capito’s dad had the comman decency to lay down in the back seat of the car when he broke it off in us. Figuratively speaking of course. Opwn for business Joe is a lying thieving con man. Nothing moderate about him.
Yeah and to add to that one, I remember the How low will you go Joe! pushing through his WV cap and trade plan( which was later fully repealed by the Republican legislature) while campaigning with a hunting rifle shooting Obama’s cap and trade plan.
Also remember how he appointed Booth Goodwin (of the influential WV Goodwin family) as a place holder for his Senate run after KKK Robert Byrd passed. This was a ploy to get Earl Ray Tomblin appointed to Governor after half the term had passed.
I could go on and on, but hopefully everyone gets the point. Never ever trust Joe Manchin. He never governed as a moderate in WV. Just like Shelly Moore Capito’s father, Arch Moore, both governed for their own corrupt, personal gain.
It was Carte Goodwin not Boothe but yes I remember those as well.
Conservatives will just have to endure more losses until they catch on. That’s all I can say.
Toomey used in the same sentence as “common sense” anything. Blech. May he find no “golden parachute” home from which to lobby after his exit from “serving” PA.
manchin does not give a rat’s ass what chuck u thinks or says.
Rino. Always has been. Totes the water for piglosi.
They never ever run pro-lifers. Remember how pro-life Kucinich was until he was running for President? Clinton used to be pro-life. Jesse Jackson used to be pro-life. Biden used to be pro-life. Gore was pro-life. Jimmy Carter was pro-life until midway through his term. I do believe Durbin used to be pro-life. I think Harkin was pro-life. I think not sure Pelosi was pro-life. But …. in the Democrat Party, that is not OK at the presidential level.
they all were pro border security too….. smh
No! He will be eaten alive by his own party.
I find it hard to believe that Sen. Manchin would pass the smell test of the Marxists now controlling his party. I could be wrong but it doesn’t seem likely.
The leftist haters will sabotage him.
Wow. Didn’t see it coming. He is the best candidate as opposed to Buttegieg. But Manchin caves more easily than McConnell, plus he’s white. I don’t doubt that he might make a run for the presidency. He’s better qualified than Buttegieg!! He’s just not that into saying “no” when it counts. More of the same left no matter how he tries to hide….just as bad as Sen. Biden, IMHAO.