Several news outlets (Bloomberg below) are noting the Department of Labor, Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), has submitted the worker vaccine rule to the White House for review prior to publishing as an ’emergency temporary standard’.
While this may be seen as disappointing by many, the moment the rule hits the federal register, it will be subject to lawsuits before implementation. Until the DoL/OSHA rule hits the books, the mandate is nothing except a statement of intent.
Once the emergency rule is put into the register, then various state attorneys general and private sector employers or employees will be able to seek injunctions and challenge the legality. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis stated yesterday his legal team is awaiting the rule to be published to trigger his state’s legal challenge.
(Bloomberg) […] The standard implements the president’s Sept. 9 order for a regulation requiring businesses with at least 100 employees to mandate workers get fully vaccinated or be tested weekly for Covid-19. Biden also asked for the rule to provide paid time off for workers to get vaccinated and to recover from any side effects.
An emergency standard bypasses what is normally a years-long regulatory process. To do so, OSHA must establish that the vaccination or testing requirement was necessary to protect workers from a “grave danger.”
“The Occupational Safety and Health Administration has been working expeditiously to develop an emergency temporary standard that covers employers with 100 or more employees to ensure their workers are fully vaccinated or undergo weekly testing to protect employees from the spread of coronavirus in the workplace,” a DOL spokesperson said in an email. “On Tuesday, October 12, as part of the regulatory review process, the agency submitted the initial text of the emergency temporary standard to the Office of Management and Budget.” (read more)
Lol, the vaccine IS the grave danger workers need protection from, not the virus.
Yeah, the whole “Covid is a grave danger” false narrative has not been subject to any real challenge, as MSM and Big Tech silenced any who questioned it.
Hopefully, any legal teams will be able to challenge this in Court, specifically IS Covid REALLY a “Grave threat”, and even IF it is, is this mandate the least intrusive means to address it, i.e. Constitutional grounds, which means SCOTUS,..hardly gives me comfort. Can take awhile to even GET to SCOTUS,….
Although this “grave danger” crap COULD be used to “fast track” it,..perhaps.
https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/08/08/israel-hospital-vaccinated.html
Wondering99, thanks for the link. Did you see this great article on that same website.
https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/09/17/case-filed-against-covid-19-vaccines-in-international-criminal-court-rising-infections-in-vaccinated.html
Imparting grave danger on them should be the action needing to happen.
I don’t trust Roberts to do anything right!
The “vaxxine” is an even greater danger for kids. It can cause Guillen-Barre syndrome. I call it the “Guille-tine”
No, it is a greater danger to seniors, more of whom have died from the Vax to-date.
Right! So are Democrats!
Once again Washington takes an action to ensure permanent, full-time and lucrative employment for lawyers.
Were it only so simple….
The entire rotting edifice of our ‘society’ has hit the terminal phase.
It’s literally a war and won’t end peacefully.
Zero chance that they just retreat now. It’s to late.
This isn’t a drill.
Chicago police union chief says to ignore the vax mandates. Points to the power of the union’s numbers.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-police-union-chief-tells-205300781.html
“Go Postal”
If thr postal workers get an exemption from The Clotshot, why not everybody else?
Their union is immune , didn’t you know that certain unions are more naturally immune than other unions – Psaki told me this so I know it is true …..
link is bogus.!.
Here’s the archived version -> https://archive.is/ziV23
Looks like the result of non-compliance is indefinite ‘no pay’, which I take to mean suspension without pay, a tactic used elsewhere already since the OSHA rule was first floated. What a mess.
Federal judge blocks vax mandate at United Airlines. For now.
https://therightscoop.com/federal-judge-blocks-vaccine-mandate-at-united-airlines/
I don’t know how many employees United has, but it’s disappointing only 6 were strong enough to refuse and file suit.
I read today that 95% of United employees have been vaxed. Only 300 or so remain unvaxed. But good for them and this judge.
United has 67,000 US employees. 5% would be 3,350.
You are correct, according to this Zerohedge article excerpt:
United said earlier this month that 320 workers in the United States, or 0.5 percent of the U.S. workforce, were not in compliance with its COVID-19 vaccine mandate.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/judge-orders-united-airlines-not-put-workers-seeking-vaccine-mandate-exception-leave
That is how many were fired. Many religious exemptions were given, but if you are a pilot. flight attendant, or gate agent you are on unpaid leave until they decide pandemic is over.
The whole exemption thing points out to me the entire mandate is a joke (it is!). If the goal is universal coverage, one ‘exception’ provides a vector!
Drain the swamp, the only the way.
It’s not a swamp…..it’s a sewer.
You can’t drain the swamp because greed and the six other deadly sins are a part of every humans DNA.
The States have to win this, even if Trump gets back in office.
This short clip of Joe Rogan making an argument to Sanjay Gupta is excellent. Rogan’s point is simple and strong. Gupta has no counter-argument.
https://therightscoop.com/watch-joe-rogan-completely-stymies-cnn-dr-sanjay-gupta-on-rationale-for-children-getting-vaccinated/
“ Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
Our Founders were wise men.
As soon as the lawsuits start, we will start hearing about democrats plans to pack the courts. That should be enough to secure favorable outcomes for the dems.
The Democrat/Communist are a vicious foe. They must be treated accordingly.
OSHA is using an obscure emergency rule. This thing is DOA once the court filings start. Why did you think FJB announced it before anything existed?
To get as much through as they can before it gets shot down.
If it’s DOA, than why issue the rule at all? Wouldn’t they be better off just telling everybody there is a mandate without actually doing it. The dems do not expect to lose in front of the courts. The amount of unconstitutional acts by our government over the past couple years is mind boggling. No courts had the guts to check this behavior. Why do you think they will now?
You’re forgetting a lot of states have been ignoring Biden.
The fact that there has been no official movement on an OSHA mandate has been in the news… if I recall correctly, Fräulein Margaret Brennan even pointed it out on CBS recently.
And we KNOW it wasn’t for the sake of news, it was the setup for this announcement.
Totally aware that folks in independent media have been highlighting the lack of any official filing, it’s being made to appear that the ball is rolling – just to save face and continue cover for the corporate mandates.
And Let’s Go Brandon!
I saw something about that today. Joe Biden had some kind of commission to look into it, and they are due to report back soon, or something.
Exactly WHAT factual-data about the “vaccine(s)” might OSHA use?
~Uh hem…, Should be incredibly interesting.
Calling on Curious Cat
Especially since the Pfizer approved vax is not available in the U.S.
Even if it was available, how safe it it? No long-term studies.
It’s the same game with a different name.
That hasn’t stopped any of the mandates so far. I wish it had.
When I was working in the Union mechanical trades, I was offered a 30 hour OSHA class, which would give me a cert. to run certain high profile jobs. The seminar covered very detailed concepts of safety. One, in particular, was that the integrity of a rated hard hat would be compromised by merely applying a sticker.
The first thing they gave us, along with our certificate, was a sticker to apply to our hard hats.
THIS is what government looks like.
F OSHA.
Lets Go Brandon!
“The great reset/ One world order/ Build back better”
Now A US Govt Official Is Telling Us That Supply Chain Nightmares Could Potentially Last For “Years”
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/now-us-govt-official-telling-us-supply-chain-nightmares-could-potentially-last-years
here is my PERMANENT emergency standard:
lets go brandon !
Don’t stop with just the jab mandate … keep going after all the government overreach programs … the greenies have used this tactic against the EPA for years; let’s turn the tables on all the rule makers and get them all to surrender all that overreach.
I like to remember this song.
F___ Clapton.
He reneged on his promise to allow non-vaxed into his concerts.
Tyranny, your name begins with the letter “E.” An “emergency” that will never end, declared in response to what is usually nothing more than a mild flu. But, through it, all controls and protections are swept aside.
“Crisis” is the rallying cry of tyrants.
An emergency so serious they can pick and choose who is experiencing the emergency, then take months to implement an action to counter it.
The grave dangers are the vaccine and wearing a mask. They both create hazardous working conditions.
That’s actually true. The vaxxed are shedding their pathogenic mRNA spike proteins onto others, who did NOT volunteer to take part in these dangerous medical experiments.
And the masks are also under EUA, so OSHA and DOL must confirm WHICH masks stop viruses and WHICH masks don’t work, and for which workers on which job sites.
And what about hypoxia, or oxygen deprivation? I have had two asthma attacks in airports due to masks.
What does OSHA have to say about MY good health?
If you read about the lawsuit against the United mandate, United demanded those refusing the shots were required to wear an N95 mask. The news article I read said more than a couple fainted because of it causing serious injuries to themselves.
The lawsuit cited OSHA regulations requiring a fit test, medical screening etc. if a company is requiring employees wear certain types of masks.
United ignored all of it.
In the very early stages of the mask mandates, there was a female doctor shouting from the rooftops over the dangers of masks. Of course, she was immediately villified and deplatformed. I do not remember her name since it was so long ago. Anyway, her research, which she backed up with data, showed that people who contracted covid got sick based on how much of the virus was concentrated in their lungs. If you were to contract the virus, wearing and breathing into a virus saturated and infected mask would build up huge concentrations and make you extremely ill. If I can find her name, I will add it to my post.
crack in the wall
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/10/12/covid-vaccine-mandates-moderna-california-texas/6097768001/
by Dec 8 – you will have millions resisting this profit scam – and they will be more dug in them ever, with a MOB to help with fear as the entire group encourage the others to stand strong.
Xiden is withholding monoclonal antibodies from red states that buck his mandates, sending more to blue states. GA, TX and FL are getting squeezed for sure, surely all political opponents are facing same. You can bet this will escalate to try to force states to drop OSHA challenges.
Too late, the South’s covid wave is over, the northeast is starting. Between the heating oil prices and record high covid deaths in those blue, extra vaxxed states, this fool is screwed.
Michigan is having quite a large outbreak, and it’s not even winter yet.
Those have cultivated fetal cell lines.
The forced test is as odious as the jab. It may not be as dangerous, but it’s invasive and can’t be allowed.
The idea that employers are on the hook for ‘recovery time’ is probably not going to fly. It sticks the companies with huge and open-ended potential liability.
And because it’s been submitted, the draft is in fact a public record. So biden’s upcoming lies about it will be known.
It’s time to hit the brakes on this clown car.
Which clown car? It’s more like a clown train……!
If I must be ” Tested ” , I require 3 days recovery , PAID , after each test.
PaY Up SuKKA
Why run it by the Whitehouse? Does pResident Klain-Rice need to sign off on it before it goes on to OPM?
What other rules, typically without such political baggage have required Whitehouse review before publishing?
Republicanvet91: The idea is for the White House to appear to be in charge, so that all the MSM can talk about the White House reviewing the OSHA rules. Then, there can be a press conference, during which JoeBama can be carted out to sign a blank piece of paper, before getting his favorite rice pudding.
Courts will not help. Court takes time. People, together will stop the theft. Covid was delivered to stop people from getting together. Get your group to get with other groups and stop the theft of your life.
No money to ANY organization that doesn’t explicitly disavow the Vaccine Mandate. I don’t care WHO they are.
Pure hubris. This order will never survive legal challenges.
DHS put out an internal email today saying “We’re hiring!” And asking employees to share that with the public.
They know with the Dec. 8 deadline ahead, they will be short staffed due to hundreds who won’t take the jab.
Another tell. Was reading today that the global climate change meeting in Scotland will not require the 26,000 attendees to be vaccinated but will highly encourage it. Good for thee but not for me. May it snow 2 feet on the soulless attendees.
I don’t want snow over them. I want a volcano to erupt underneath them.
That’s because the elites that attend these meetings don’t get vaccinated. Never will.
Sundance posits that legal challenges will blossom immediately upon the OSHA standard for mandatory Covid vaccines being posted in the Federal Register.
So far so good. But I wonder……would the legal challenges that logically follow be similarly dismissed as PDJT’s legal challenges–which included MOUNTAINS of evidence?
The plaintiffs need to find one federal court with an honest Trump judge and get the initial TRO. Would be good to do it in somewhere in the 5th Circuit where the appeals court has a good track record of upholding the Constitution and law. Expect some pre-emptive suits by FJB/mandate allies in their friendly courts.
Sleepy Joe took too long for getting OSHA to set up the rule. Lawyers have been working on determining which judge needs to get the case to put out the TRO. All they have to do is plug in the specific text of the rule and file it.
I’m certain the MSM will either:
Ignore the suit
Vilify the judge making the TRO
Or all of the above.
I work in the power/industrial industry for the meatball company.
My man friend works for a crane company.
I see the trend of import foreign manufactured parts (jyana) delayed for months. Parts we can’t source domestically now, but could last year. Domestic suppliers can’t meet the lead times the quote only valid for 7 days. This is outage season and cold weather/climate is upon us.
Man friend is being challenged daily “Have you had the shot, are you willing to get it?” Mostly government jobs. Lots of union iron workers, he’s a project manager but identifies as an union iron worker.
I so appreciate our insight from Sundance regarding grocery & food supply and taking notice & action, but I am seeing a concentrated effort to thwart the energy/power grid for this winter.
And the socials had a meltdown over fakebook the other day, don’t have it, didn’t notice.
Power, heat, frozen food, the cities and G** forbid no fakebook!?!?!
It really is a far reaching plan.
Ohio is having a hard time getting their state employees to take the Notavax.
“As of Oct. 2, 18,061 State employees, or 36.7% percent of the total state workforce, had received the $100 incentive or submitted their proof-of-vaccination form, Vince said in an email.”
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/10/most-elected-state-officials-opting-out-of-dewines-1000-employee-vaccine-incentive-program.html
Then they came for your pets.
Zoo giving COVID-19 vaccine to ape, cats and otters
https://www.magnoliastatelive.com/2021/10/13/zoo-giving-covid-19-vaccine-to-ape-cats-and-otters/
that’s the animal trials the CDC skipped in their haste to get the vaxx out there!
…” Southwest Airlines employees are now organizing a “peaceful protest,” according to a flyer from a Southwest employee “……..
https://trendingpolitics.com/southwest-employees-are-now-organizing-peaceful-protest-against-the-airlines-vaccine-mandate-knab/
October 18 – as predicted by ( @Clif_High ) , an interesting chap who studies ” predictive linguistics ”
In short, he uses computer power to scan the web , and draw realist assessment of what is coming next, it’s very interesting, and one more tool we can use for …… Discernment.
“Until the DoL/OSHA rule hits the books, the mandate is nothing except a statement of intent.”
This is probably another bluff move (like biden’s vaxmandate EO that never materialized) to trick more companies into accepting the inevitable, a shot mandate is coming, so, may as well force employees to get the jab.
It will likely never happen.
In a few years when the “vaxxed” population dies off, the blood of Purebloods will be sought out and become very valuable for the sustenance of the world’s population.
The enforcement of these mandates is impossible. If implemented on any scale at all, they will lead to the downfall of the US economy. They will also lead to Civil War. The Communist-Democrats have no idea the can of worms that they are opening up here. Heads will be on pikes before this is all over.
besides heads on pikes,
I hope there are plenty of necklaces made of teeth also !
I see a substantial risk to critical infrastructure; systems which can take years to decades to rebuild. The basics of life we all tend to take for granted. Reading a member’s post above about the power industry, I was reminded that it was my primary business for close to 40 years. All the stuff that helped keep the lights on. Oh, well. All the knowledge is there, no longer needed in an old body. God be with us.
Weren’t we told recently that this was just bluff and there was no evidence OSHA had even started working on a proposal? So did this just come out of nowhere?
EDIT:https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/27/it-was-a-con-white-house-has-no-idea-when-or-even-if-osha-will-ever-provide-rules-to-support-legally-enforceable-worker-vaccine-mandate/
““The Occupational Safety and Health Administration has been working expeditiously…”
Because they claim it, that doesn’t make it true. Scammers gonna scam.
imho the administration thought that the mere announcement by Biden that a mandate was being crafted was enough to get companies to mandate it on their own before anything official had been announced– and they were correct– but in reality i don’t believe the admin never really planned on releasing anything official through OSHA….until Psaki was questioned at her daily briefing on why there had not been anything official concerning this “mandate”, and of course she fumbled around and had no answer. that led to a bit of an awakening of sorts with people then asking the same thing “where exactly is this mandate you announced over a month ago?” the admin’s bluff was called.
Well put and I absolutely agree.
I’m also suddenly wishing I had a pork chop sandwich right now. 🙂
“Weren’t we told”?!
What do you think this place is? Thehill.com?
If you’re looking for brainless beehive minds, go find a Left Wing site and waste other people’s time.
Even an idiot can see that the vaccine rates aren’t going up much, so now they have to expose themselves to lawsuits from every corner of society by publishing actual rules.
In Australia, $5000 fine if you’re not vaxxed. The threats are ramping up in severity because Freedom loving people are ramping up their #resistance.
Expect the announced fines to increase as well in order to terrify people into compliance.
OSHA does not have this authority.
The Federal Government does not have this authority.
The States do. Let the people decide what states they want to live in.
Not to mention after nearly 2 yrs, how long can they milk a not-so-deadly virus as an “emergency”?
We really need to talk about emergency dictatorial powers given to federal and state execs.
By early fall of 2020, I was wondering why state legislatures hadn’t yanked the emergency powers some governors had claimed and some still even cling to.
It is totally unAmerican to be governed by mandates for any length of time
No one has the authority to force experimental drugs on people, either….emergency or not
’emergency’
the real emergency is the hijacking of a once free nation by evil people who care nothing for it and only seek to empower themselves as an aristocratic elite.
the death of this nation came from within, and millions of complacent voters let it creep in.
DeSantis could put a $500 tariff, per passenger, on any pubic conveyor that forces a vax. That will kill the trains, cruise ships, and airlines. No lawsuits need.
He can ban big IT from any government computer.
Stop playing the losers game in the courts.
The Floridian tax base would revolt at the expense of banning big tech from state worker computers. They ALL run on Microsoft. Every. One. Of. Them.
Seeing more people talking and writing openly about nationwide general strikes, something I’ve advocated for many months.
The only way out of this is to cripple the economy and destroy Biden and the Government Party in the process.
But it’s gonna take a very loud voice, and it’s gonna have to be sustained. I still don’t fly Delta, and I haven’t had a Coke in months. How many people can say that? I still am not paying attention to MLB and the NFL. I still don’t have Fakebook or Twitter.
But I am not enough.
People are angry as hell. It’s not gonna take much to lead people down the Freedom path.
But they’re gonna need to be LED.
Who’s it gonna be? Trump? Desantis?
Who’s our Lech Walesa? Who’s our Gipper flying to DC to tell Joe Biden “TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!”
Those Southwest pilots are showing us the way. But it needs to be 10,000x bigger.
Yes!
WE are the ones that will lead!
Congress didn’t grant OSHA the authority to mandate experimental vaccines, and their focus has always been on toxic substances/ chemicals. On average, OSHA regs take 39mths. to b fully implemented according to GAO sampling of 59 rules.
Foreign-born nobummer and soros, in partnership w CCP, need to b brought front and center instead of sole focus 24/7 on a guy who is brain dead… start attributing this “takedown of our Republic” to the Usual Suspects and not to a Godless criminal who isn’t even POTUS! What a charade
How can the CCP Virus still be considered an “emergency” by an administration that is allowing approx 1500 infected illegals/day into this country?
Not to mention there is no testing, let alone vax mandates for these people?
300,000/mth/30 days month = 10,000 illegals/day they say 10-20% are infected
How can they mandate a vaccine that has not been approved?
A “grave danger” with a 99.8% recovery rate. Without the vaccine. Makes perfect sense.
That recovery rate is WITHOUT hydrochloroquine AND ivermectin….essentially with NO medical treatment!
What if the huge employers decided to become ’employee share owned’?
This needs to be cut off below the root.
The EUA requires that there are no treatments, cures or vaccines that work. Ivermectin and HCQ both work very very well “off label” but is FDA approved for off label use.
This needs to get into court with a s-ton of expert witnesses from around the world. This thing needs to end NOW!
The EUA shots are ILLEGAL.
If there is no Fed law then why can’t state governors/government be sued. What are they hanging their dictates on?
They can take their OSHA rule and put it where the sun don’t shine!
I cannot believe soooo many companies have already taken actions against their employees without a Federal Law or Regulation in writing.
Perhaps this would be a good argument, no?
I’ve been wondering why there haven’t been more lawsuits over the mandate. There is a law passed by Congress and signed by a President, which actually does create a real mandate. It is called HIPAA and it insures the medical privacy of all U.S. citizens. This COVID passport stuff shreds that law. It is illegal for employers to demand a person’s health information. Once again, the Biden administration has no regard for our county’s laws.
We have willingly given up many of our freedoms for convenience, so much so that we now have difficulty even recognizing that this has been done. One huge example: we have embraced an increasingly cash-free economy. We have debit and credit cards to allow us to pass through checkouts with ease. However – cash was and is anonymous. No one knows what you buy with cash. And we have surrendered our privacy when we embraced electronic money.
How hard do you think it would be for the govt to simply stop acknowledging that the money you have in your bank account even exists? Cash, even though it is merely a symbol representing value, is at least a physical reality that one can hold. Yes I’m a dinosaur. Going off the gold standard may not have been the beginning of all this BS, but is has sure fueled the file.
There are many other examples, and a lot of them are directly tied to the emergence of an extremely complicated technology that few understand. Ultimately reducing our privacy and autonomy to zero.
Like everything else leftists say the OSHA statement is a lie…testing only the un-“vaccinated” is not protecting workers from acquiring covid at work and results in less than one-half of the personnel being tested if one believes the vaxxed propaganda.
I say bring it…bastards
Protect workers from a grave danger? The grave danger is injecting the whole population with an experimental vaccine that is proven to not have the efficacy of natural immunity or the longevity. Trust the (political) science my friends. The realtime experiment is failing and the COVID cultists have to eliminate the control group, who are the unvaccinated, by forcing vaccination on every man, woman, and child. With no control group there’s no data contradicting the lie.