As expected the FDA announces today that Pfizer has been granted Biologic License Application approval for their COVID-19 vaccine. [Press release Here] and you can find the Approval Letter at the following LINK HERE. The vaccine will now be known as “Comirnaty”, and is approved for individuals 16 years of age and older.
Unfortunately, questions about which specific vaccine regime has been approved still appear to be in conflict with federal health officials. The initial dose and one booster shot appears to have gained FDA approval.
However, how many booster shots are safe? What effect from multiple vaccination booster shots? Those questions left unanswered.
It is unlikely that many people who have done their research into the issues of efficacy and safety will be swayed by this FDA announcement. There are simply too many unknowns. The approval letter outlines dates for ongoing evaluations of safety, most of those dates are several years from now. The studies and outcomes can reverse the approval; however, the adverse impact ramifications cannot be undone once administered.
Everyone has their own perspective on what is in their best interests. Your personal health decisions should be private and respected. As a reminder of my overall view, I share the prior outline below which has not changed since written.
There has been a great deal of discussion about the vitriolic, almost rabid disposition of people who are pushing the vaccination.
This should not be a surprise, although it might be disconcerting to find formerly reasonable people in your network, perhaps even in your family, now become seemingly unhinged if the subject arises.
It is demonstrably true, there has been a cleaving of our American population as the debate about the COVID vaccination rages on. However, it is wise to consider the underlying psychology of a person who has been vaccinated, before engaging in an argument. You may end up being entirely correct in your position; however, an intense or combative argument? At what cost?
A vaccinated person is, as a consequence of their decision, in an irreversible frame of mind. Once the vaccination has been injected into a persons body, there is no turning back; the Rubicon has been crossed, the event horizon closes, there is no retreat. Any conversation or debate about vaccine efficacy or long-term consequences with a person who has accepted the vaccine must be weighed accordingly.
Genuine empathetic listening is needed on both sides.
The no-retreat baseline can, often does, form the origin of anger and vitriol, particularly in unstable leftists -who are, by nature of their ideology- professional blame-casters and prone to emotional responses as a matter of disposition. Therefore, it is better to avoid the topic entirely (if possible) and retain your peace of mind.
♦ Revelations over the past few years have led to the complete collapse of credibility for many institutions. The healthcare field is the latest example of a politically controlled ideological industry that can no longer be trusted to make decisions based on a detachment from their political interests.
The healthcare industry has joined the education system, the justice system (DOJ), law enforcement (FBI), the intelligence system, arts and entertainment, as well as many organizations now controlled through the prism of politics. Political ideology, as the determining factor of institutional behavior, has infected almost every facet of modern life; healthcare is no exception.
Given the nature of the metastatic corruption, very visible in multiple institutions, it is completely understandable that more people would not trust the National Institute of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or any other regulatory body or agency now vested in the COVID vaccine.
Factually, as previously stated, the FDA final approval of the vaccines is a moot point.
The FDA, just like a vaccinated person, is in a no retreat position. There is no way the U.S. FDA cannot approve the vaccines that have been sold, forced and pushed upon the entire global population. Can you even begin to imagine the ramifications of the FDA saying the vaccine was (a) unsafe; or (b) ineffective? Think about it. FDA approval is a foregone conclusion, regardless of safety or efficacy.
There is every reason not to trust the healthcare industry on the issue of vaccination(s). Indeed, their obtuse behavior, logical disconnect, false assertions and gross hypocrisy is more than enough to create doubt about the vaccine. Then overlay the lack of consequence for all known institutional corruption, and there’s even more reason to doubt them.
♦ Two key issues stick in my mind about the COVID vaccines that make me pretty firm in opposition:
(1) The fact that vaccine makers would abandon the clinical trial control group is a big red flag. The fact that vaccine makers could not abandon the clinical trial control group without authorization from the FDA, CDC and NIH is an even bigger red flag. {Go Deep}
The clinical trial was assembled to produce only one result. THAT is not science. THAT is sketchy and points to an ulterior motive. That is not science, that’s political science.
(2) The fact that data shows the vaccine provides no benefit is another big red flag. Specifically, the equal hospitalization rate of vaxxed and non-vaxxed patients. Almost every study I can find with data on COVID hospitalized cases that includes the vaccination status (not many), shows an equal percentage of vaccinated/hospitalized people to the vaccinated population in general. {Go Deep}
[ex. If 75% of the regional population is vaccinated, then 75% of the hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated.] This statistic demonstrates the vaccine doesn’t stop serious illness.
Put both of those issues together, and overlay the demonstrably collapsed institutional credibility, and I am not comfortable with this specific vaccine.
I am not anti-VAX, I am not comfortable with THIS specific vaccination. And, again, once administered there is no retreat.
We should all cherish, respect and value the differences of opinion of this very personal issue. Healthcare is a personal and private matter. Other people have different factors, risk-factors and hundreds of considerations that guide or have guided their decision. We should all respect that; and we do not want to see ‘vaccination status‘ become a fragmentation problem for our CTH community. We are all in the same foxhole.
“Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs;
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love;
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.”
“My body, my choice”, and “I.D.’s are Racisssssttttt”!
How many dem talking points are being exposed right now?
For anyone not aware:
There are 2 distinct types of disease caused by the Chinese virus. The 1st is COVID-19 which is cause by the virus as a whole and how it takes over cells while still ‘alive’. The 2nd is ‘Long COVID’ which is beginning to be understood as being caused by the S1 spike protein attached to the virus. This spike protein is scattered throughout the body when the Chinese virus dies (after infecting cells). White blood cells known as monocytes normally do the job of attacking these foreign bodies to remove them. However, Dr. Bruce Patterson who is doing clinical work to help Long COVID victims has found that when monocytes attack and absorb the spike protein the monocytes are being altered and continue to ‘live’ in the body instead of ‘dying’ and being removed from the body. His work has found that Long COVID is being experienced by people who never had the Chinese virus in their system but did take the S1 spike protein producing ‘vaccine’. These people have the same elevated levels of distorted monocytes as Long COVID victims that got it thru the China virus. The ‘vaccine’ itself is poisonous to the body. The spike protein and it’s interaction with monocytes is the source of the widespread inflammation.
Thank you. Since those in the medical community who are sounding the alarm are being silenced, we need to get the word out to the uninformed.
Absolutely disgusting that doctors actually busting their butts seeing and successfully treating patients are being silenced so that the pill pushers that have corrupted our medical system can profit from their latest cash cow, consequences on us peons be damned.
I still find it odd that Congress has never ventured into interrogating Dr Fauci about his patents, when they were approved, if any are currently in use with these vaccines?
Do any of these patents involved gain of function? Considering the information available on line, it seems highly plausible that this vaccine, considering the lack of useful clinical trials, may have been waiting in the wings as far as we know. Just the idea that so many countries around the world are acting in unison to push this this agenda smacks of an ulterior motive.
Couldn’t agree more, vaccines were created and have been sitting on a top shelf somewhere. Covid was created so the vaccines could be used, not the other way around. As far as Trump goes I believe he wanted to believe his orders of creating and pushing through a vaccine is what happened, so hence he thinks vaccines are good. I don’t think he understood the vaccine was there all along and the timing of Covid was to oust him. Not articulating this exactly how I want, but I do believe the vaccines were here first, and then Covid was created as the excuse to use them on the population.
Check their campaign donor list and I suspect the reason for that will become obvious.
And here’s another brave doctor revealing shocking news of possible high crimes behind the ‘shot pushers’ that may involve racketeering, bioweapons, wreckless homicide or possibly willful murder.
Dr. David E. Martin – Drops Shocking COVID-19 News on Canadians ~ 8/22/21
This is a must see video. Racketeering is a crime, and that is what a whole host of people and corporations are engaged in.
All part of the plan
Long COVID is nonsense. It does not exist.
Its more narrative to get you to accept the COVID framing. These proteins exist on all Coronavirus variants (of which there are many that have been around for hundreds of years). There is no such thing as a Long COLD.
Its prepping everyone to explain the side effects that are going to roll out from the vax, and blame it on the disease.
As much as I would like for you to be correct, you are wrong. I have a long time family friend who has long covid a is permanently injured and 2 others that have died from COVID. But, if HQC, zinc and ivermectin were not suppressed and censored, I believe it would be a different story. I know of an older gentleman who received ivermectin and it saved his life and he is back to normal after coming close to passing away.
How can you have long term effects from a disease that has only existed for 18 months, and most of the population have been exposed for less than a year?
That no other virus in the same family that we have experience with has similar issues?
With respect given the unreliability of the testing and lying in the medical system your friend could have almost any other acute respiratory disease and would be none the wiser what the cause would be.
The If you could see and know all of the effects, his condition and the length of time he has been in the hospital (since September ‘20), on a ventilator, you would know it was not just the flu.
Also, my friend had no co-morbidities.
I did not say it was just the flu.
There are lots of acute respiratory viruses. Some of which are serious. I pointed out that many of these have been re-classified as this disease and Doctors seem intent on making every such instance into COVID.
His wife is a nurse that treats COVID patients and she caught it and then he caught it from her. She recovered and he has not. There is no doubt that it was COVID. Again, I was that you were correct, but you are not. By the way, I do not like the mandates at all !
Despite what you think, have experienced or even imagined that this is some ordinary virus spike … it is not.
Have you studied the genetic markers … the insertions or how they possibly could become become part of this spike protein? I’ll wait ….
Warm up in the bullpen with this beauty … then we’ll talk.
https://rumble.com/vldaex-vaxxed-patients-blood-examined-horrific-findings-revealed-by-german-physici.html
He’s been in the hospital a year ?
Yes, he has been in hospital for a year. He just now is able to raise his arms, is still having to go back on the vent then get weaned back and still has a trach. It has been a vicious circle.
What pisses me off is that the “federal experts” suppressed and censored the therapies that could have avoided all of this misery for him, his family and the countless other victims around the world.
I know of a 70 year old man that was saved by ivermectin that was on his last leg before receiving it.
It makes no difference how long a disease has been identified. Here’s one easy example. The patient has sufficient lung damage and necrotic tissue from an initial bout with the virus that a lower lobe will have to be removed, before the infection can kill the entire organ. After surgery, that removed tissue goes to pathology, which will confirm any disease present, including rule-outs for other respiratory illnesses, cancer etc. Even if there was no name for Covid-19, all would know it was NOT some other known disease, through the differential diagnosis.
Whether brand new or a previously known disease, the effect on the patient is still clearly “long-term”. That lung lobe won’t be growing back.
I agree with regard to something like organ failure. . However, Long covid is not such a thing. It is classified as non specific symptoms such as brain fog, fatigue, shortness of breath and anxiety.
These hardly seem the same. Gneralized non-specific symptoms that include anxiety do not pass Koch’s postulates and as I said could be anything, or nothing.
You are not even close on the “generalized non-specific symptoms”. You have no clue.
Waaa waaaaa
I can’t help but think that since this virus is man-made it doesn’t act like a normal virus. But what do I know?
While it is true that there is no reliable test for covid (because what they’re calling covid has never been isolated!), there is a coronavirus to which a spike protein was attached during gain of function research. That spike protein is known to be toxic all by itself and explains, I think, the symptoms that make “covid” unlike any other illness. It also explains the really nasty side effects—my sister has heart damage from her bout.
Previous corona viruses do not have affinity for ace2 receptor binding, this particular spike on a corona virus was not previously recorded in the viral genome databank. Hence, one of several reasons there was skepticism regarding the “in the wild” genesis theory.
Yes, there are other proteins on corona viruses, but this one on sarscov2 differs.
Long covid most certainly exists. I suggest you follow some of the docs on the frontline treating it and discussing their findings.
That is not correct.
SARS-CoV, SARS-CoV-2, and other β-coronavirus (lineage B types) all bind on the ACE2 receptor.
You are correct, sorry. But they dont bind like sarscov2. I meant the receptor binding sites on the s1 protein unique… and hence the unusual increased affinity that lead to early skepticism. Have not thought of this for almost a year now… the Indian study was quickly dismissed… as i recall.
The larger point is bc of this increased affinity the usual mostly respiratory type virus has now manifested for some as an underlying, long and short term vascular problem.
Tristan I know of no one in the legacy media who is using that term but some others have adopted it to describe chronic covid symptoms that hang around far longer than “normal” flu or respiratory viruses.
You might want to view a video with Drs. Mercola and Bhakdi before it’s deleted tomorrow by its creator, Dr. Mercola. He only keeps his posts for 48 hours and this one was posted yesterday August 22. I posted this earlier in this same comments section..
theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/08/23/fda-approves-pfizer-vaccine-with-undefined-regime/comment-page-3/#comment-8014568
You are wrong. Dr. Robert Malone, the virologist who invented mRNA gene therapy and suggested that it could be used as a vaccine, himself had long covid. He describes this in his video clip below. He subsequently took the Moderna vaccine because he believed the vaccine might help the long covid. He also needed to travel.
Now, he is outspoken against the vaccine for children, young people, and most anyone. The name of the video is “How to Save the World in Three Easy Steps.” It is from mid June 2021. https://www.bitchute.com/video/TH2HAmTp40xq/
Totally agree. It is totally disgusting when these explanations are trotted out and you know for a fact your being given this crap as a setup for something else. It’s almost like the daily democratic talking points which are trotted out every morning and all the talking heads mimic the same exact words in order to set you up.
Just long enough until the next election…
Sinovax is based on inactivated SARS-COV-2 to inject into body to activate immune system response. Why doesn’t someone take Sinovax to see if they can find SARS-COV-2 in there.
Long covid is a thing—my sister had it. But it is caused by the toxic spike protein, as are, I believe, most of the injuries and deaths that result from Covid (rather than from something else). In other words, the virus that the spike protein was attached to during gain of function research is not the problem. In fact there is zero evidence that it exists as the thing labeled SARS-CoV-2.
My sister was given ivermectin by an alternative physician, and that stopped the long covid. Apparently ivermectin is able to destroy the spike protein, which explains why people extremely sick with covid often recover after they take it.
We believe this is what happened to my FIL. He wasn’t the same after he contracted the mystery virus last February 2020, ending up with pneumonia twice with spots all over the lungs that would come and go. He has been sick since for the last year and a half. I shared our hospital story last month; but he did pass away suddenly from respiratory failure two weeks ago.
After his second bout of double pneumonia, he was sent home with oxygen and antibiotics, but after the last round of antibiotics he succumbed to whatever disease he was dealing with in his lungs. MIL falsely told us he had lung cancer, but they were unable to do a biopsy and the doctor said it might be cancer but without a biopsy, no diagnosis. (MIL was distraught and gets information wrong at the time). FIL was too stubborn to get a diagnosis and have any more tests. But again, the spots came and went after each round of antibiotics, so that doesn’t sound like cancer. Also, they isolated themselves from the family, so we were not kept up to date as would be the case if they weren’t so fearful about the covid virus and being exposed.
My FIL was active even though he had a bad hip. Yes he was a smoker, but never had problems with his lungs until the mystery illness of 2020. His dad lived well into his 90s; good genes in the family. The year before, he painted the entire house, and moved furniture from room to room just to change up the environment; this is a man in his early 70s. He did this every couple of years since he and MIL were retired and did not travel. He also did yard work.
I believe this virus (and the vaccines) were designed to find vulnerabilities in the DNA/cells, either brought on by our lifestyle or faulty genes, and then keep punching at it until the person succumbs. (long haulers). FIL being a life long smoker, his lungs were vulnerable. He also took the vaccines and developed a cough. MIL has the same cough and has multiple autoimmune diseases. She never did get the mystery virus because she is on medication that suppresses her immune system. (I call it the mystery virus because he took the antibody test and it came back negative for Covid 19). Something was going around the family early last year with another person getting pneumonia (first time in his life) but the kids did not get sick. He did not get an antibody test, but is convinced it was Covid and feels responsible for getting FIL sick.
Anyway, just wanted to share our personal story and update since I shared when he went into the hospital. We thought we had a few months and were planning to put him on hospice the next day, but MIL called in the middle of the night to say he was not breathing and the EMS couldn’t revive him.
Wonder if there are similar stories where the is a mystery around the sudden death of someone, and they just figure it is because the person is old or sick already. This would be a good way to hide the deaths due to vaccines.
Gingergal, very sorry to read of your loss.
I read your, post carefully twice. A few things struck me, but of them, this was my first concern: You wrote “He also took the vaccines and developed a cough.”
Are you referring to the new covid “vaccines”? Was the cough the only reaction he had? Did you MIL get the same cough after her husband developed it?
Thank you. They both took the vaccines. Not sure if the cough is directly related to the vaccines, just that he developed a cough after taking them. MIL has developed the same cough in the last month; her chest x-rays are normal. They did not share their side effects/reactions (if any) from the vaccines. It’s not a subject talked about because it’s politically charged. We don’t even know exactly when they took their vaccines, other than the spring of this year since they basically cut everyone off.
From what we can infer, MIL has had flares of her auto-immune disease, and they both developed a cough in the months since their vaccines. Whether it is directly related to the vaccine, we don’t know.
I know it’s too late to help your FIL and not sure about your MIL, but please go to the video in the links I posted earlier upthread. Here’s a link to my post:
theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/08/23/fda-approves-pfizer-vaccine-with-undefined-regime/comment-page-3/#comment-8014568
Yes, my former MIL passed right after getting the vax in Feb ‘ 21 and I believed that it was from the vax.
I know 2 men personally who were fit and perfectly healthy though in their 70s who died suddenly in their sleep some time after receiving the second shot. In both cases there was no history of heart disease in them or their families.
I know three others who died after the shot with underlying conditions ages 41, 65, and 92 though none were ill or expected to die.
I know of an additional man of 69 who had to have a defibrillator inserted to keep his heart beating. He is still alive thankfully.
None of these deaths or side effects occurred within three days of the shot. They were weeks or even months out so no one reported them and the widows are in denial and aren’t facing the possible connection to the vaccine.
That’s all too many for me to be a coincidence.
<—Smoker. Bad lungs. Good shape for an old fart. Had the Rona….didnt go to the hospital. Used flu meds and puffers I already had, steamed my lungs 3 nights, when I could not lie down and breathe. Had 3 nights of fever, the worst I’ve ever had. Might as well have showered or bathed and hopped into bed. It was bad, my lungs have never recovered, and my energy levels dropped. Never been that sick in my life. I was worried only the one night, but man, that thing will kick your butt.
I never went to the hospital. I managed to beat it, with old fashioned methods. It should have killed me, according to the level of hysteria from the medical community and government/media, but it didn’t.
This was February 2020, before we were locked down or warned about this china virus.
Now, during all of that, It was while being treated for squamous cell carcinoma in my neck. That didn’t help I’m sure. The cancer wasn’t well established when all that happened, so it didn’t really have a lot to do with how sick I felt. So he said, and I trust this Doctor completely, he is not a woke joke…..
As for the clot shot, my oncologist said no way. Don’t take it. Good enough for me.
Thanks for sharing your story. I am sorry for your loss M’am.
Bob, how do you steam your lungs?
IDK how Bob does it but the old fashioned way is to boil a pot of water, remove it from the stove and put it on a trivet or hotpad on a table. Then sit and bend over holding your head directly over the pot, drape a towel over your head so it wraps around the pot too. Breathe the steam coming off the pot for maybe 15 minutes or longer, coming up every few minutes to cool your face.
In the old days we used to toss a glob of Vicks Vapo Rub in the pot once it’s on the table. The vapors helped decongest sinuses and stuffy bronchials.
I agree about the spike protein finding vulnerabilities in a body and attacking them. That explains why so many people have so many different problems after having what we’re calling covid. My sister had heart problems before covid and now has a damaged left ventricle, which sets her up for a heart attack even though she has no blockages. “Clean as a whistle,” they said.
Sorry about your loss.
Hey I just had a good idea
They talking about companies eyeing vaccine mandates about employees
Ok so employee gets the vaccine to keep their job but the employer has to pay the vaccinated employee $500.00 extra to their paycheck per week for funeral insurance
I deeply appreciate you writing this out. Although I’ve known and understood it quite some time ago, it’s another issue writing it out.
“There are 2 distinct types of disease caused by the Chinese virus. The 1st is COVID-19 which is cause by the virus as a whole and how it takes over cells while still ‘alive’. The 2nd is ‘Long COVID’ which is beginning to be understood as being caused by the S1 spike protein attached to the virus.”
Everything you’ve said is complete garbage because COV2 has never been isolated in accordance with Kochs Postulates.
No one can get sick from a “virus” which has not been proven to exist under Kochs Postulates.
Cov2 has never been isolated under Kochs Postulates and, so, has never been shown to exist.
And neither has any cov2 variants been proven to exist.
It seems these days whenever anyone gets sick, no matter what, cov2 to is the go to reason. And the “go to reason” does not exist.
If a doctor is treating someone for cov2, he’s very likely totally screwed up. The RT-PCR test the doctor uses to establish the presence of the virus is a fraud. That test, using contrived, convoluted and manipulated techniques, is the means used to look for a virus that does not exist.
The CDC says the RT-PCR test should not, by itself, be the determining factor of the presence of the virus but that the test result combined with the doctors observation should be the determining criteria.
The CDC is so freeking dumb for saying that. Tell me one doctor who would lay aside a patient RT-PCR positive test and say to his patient “you tested positive for cov2 but I don’t think you have it.” Wont happen.
Theses days, the RT-PCR test, a fraud, determines whether or not you have cov2.
That’s the reality. And all these weird MDs coming out of the woodwork with some looney theory of the life of a non existent “spike Protein” haven’t a clue they’re talking about a non existent entity. What a waste.
Have you seen the flurry of patents on the spike protein filed prior to the outbreak? I understand the failings of the PCR test and conflation of Cov19 with other causes of death but this doesn’t mean the toxic spike protein and it’s health effects don’t exist.
Maybe I’m missing something?
You are right, the spike protein is the toxic part.
My guess is that people who come down with a mild illness may or may not have what is called covid. If they recover quickly, it means their immune system is strong enough to deal with the virus before it, with its spike protein, can enter the cells. But those who get seriously ill are being attacked specifically by the spike protein.
Here’s the link for FDA’s August 23, 2021 action:
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
It clearly says on p.2 that the EUA is being extended in its entirety. What’s going on here?
It’s hard to find in the very long and detailed letter, but Pfizer changed the name of its vaccine (who knows, maybe changed an insignificant molecule?) and filed for and was granted approval under that name. The EUA is extended for the vaccine under its old name so that current supplies can be used up.
I too was misled. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
I just don’t speak with any friends or family I know or suspect got the vaxx. Better for them not to know my status as they may one day turn me and my nuclear family in to the authorities for my own good. For me it’s a divide that can’t be bridged as they aren’t losing their job or being segregated -My family if not left homeless will be treated as lepers so I don’t really want anything to do with the higher caste as it were.
Bad news for older people who got the vax ….just so they could take a cruise:
….” The CDC now recommends that people at risk for severe illness from COVID-19 — whether vaccinated or not — should avoid cruises.”…..
also aimed at …” at older adults, people with preexisting medical conditions, those with weakened immune systems, or those who are pregnant or recently pregnant.”…..
This report is a (typical) word salad. But, basically, the same message:
Be afraid. Be vary afraid.
https://www.wric.com/health/coronavirus/cdc-says-older-people-high-risk-travelers-should-avoid-cruises-whether-theyre-vaccinated-or-not/
So all of a sudden we’re required to show, what? to go on a cruise? Official medical records proving we don’t have lupus, Crohn’s, rheumatoid arthritis, etc.?
Surgeon General says FDA vaccine approval will lead to more mandates. No surprise there. The only question is how fast they’ll come down the pike and how broad they’ll be. I think all bets are off and they could use social security and/or medicare as leverage to force older people to get vaccinated, among a million other evil schemes.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/08/surgeon-general-says-fda-vaccine-approval-likely-leads-to-more-mandates/
Keeping older Americans scared has been their purpose from the start. In my part of the world though it seems to me it is the 30-60 crowd who has done most of the hunkering
I heard a buzz about holding Social security $ hostage… I wonder if Medicare would be withheld as well? I could last maybe 3 years without SS income, so in effect I’d have to un-retire. And all my time with 3 new grandbabies will be severely curtailed.
Yes, I wonder about that too. I’d have to increase my withdrawals from my TIAA-CREF account, which currently are less than SS. Well, if we end up in a FEMA camp, we won’t need our retirement funds—although they will probably confiscate them to contribute to our “support.”
Underneath my anger and frustration, there is a bedrock of sorrow and fear for all the people I love who got vaccinated and who now may be at risk of long-term consequences such as ADE and/or the effect of spike protein circulating throughout their system. Likewise, they probably feel similar feelings toward me for not being vaccinated and, in their view, therefore vulnerable to contracting covid and getting very sick from it, all-the-while minimizing their own risk in the face of low efficacy of Pfeizer against the Delta variant.
I wish we could just express our caring for one another in a way that expresses the feeling. We’re surrounded by so much vile hate, rage, and disgusting expressions, I’m desperate to carve out some small space of softness and compassion. There’s so much screaming in the world, can there be no place free of this toxic tone?
Then talk about something else besides the KungFlu and the jab. Surely you have something else in common with these people, right? If not, then what the heck did we talk about prior to 2020?
I meant with respect to the topic of covid and vaccines because it arises so much and is so loaded. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
And that’s my point exactly: We have allowed this virus and vax issue to consume our lives! So maybe it’s time to back off and focus on other things–on enjoying each other and all the many blessings of life.
Plus, keep in mind that you can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped (or, in this case, who doesn’t even know they need help), so why not focus on the things you have in common? Why not love these people however they will allow you to love them?
Meanwhile, if you’re so inclined, find and save scientific articles that study the side effects and how to counteract them. Invest in medicines that will help you and your loved ones–if they ever come around to connecting the dots between their decline and the jabs. Of course, even then you can’t force the information on them, but you can be ready if they ask.
With certain members of my family, we have agreed not to discuss covid or vaccination. We have lots of other things to talk about. Just tell them that you’d prefer talking about something else.
“I’m desperate to carve out some small space of softness and compassion”
Admirable
Personally, I’ll carve out some “softness and compassion” for people who leave me the F alone
ick. The words softness and compassion are icky.
This is where we are at: the unvaxxed are going to be denied access to most of society including employment. The unvaxxed are going to be denied all medical care – already happening, and they will have to choose death from lack of insulin or surgery or other lifesaving medical care. The unvaxxed will have to deliver their children at home without any medical help. The unvaxxed will likely be homeless and have their minor children stolen from them.
Meanwhile the vaxxed face none of these threats and often support this happening to the unvaxxed. I really don’t give a crap how they are feeling – do you think slaves should or would care about their masters feelings or lives?
Amen
That is why we are at odds with the vaxxed crowd. They won’t defend our right to not take this shot and won’t stand up against the show me your vaccine papers crowd. They’ll let us die from starvation or lack of medical care because we aren’t vaxxed and deserve whatever happens to us. If the vaxxed crowd will fight the fascists show us your papers crowd then we won’t be fighting each other.
Not to be blunt, but the vaxxed are going to die of blood clots and ADE. They won’t be around to torment us much longer, unless they get their heads outta their azzes and start looking for treatment STAT.
D-Dimer blood tests detect *treatable* micro-clots before they cause heart attacks and strokes. And interventions like Ivermectin may be a godsend to them, just like they have been to everyone else. They mess up the spike proteins in both the virus and the vaccines.
It’s time to make a plan. I plan to live in a free state and forget about all of this, for the most part. I didn’t fall for the “vaccine,” I take prophylaxis Ivermectin, and I can therefore go on with the business of living.
I wish everyone else would do the same, instead of just waiting around to drop dead of either the vaccine or the Covid variants. That’s not a very good plan.
Where are you getting your ivermectin ..and if it’s the paste..how much are you taking?
America’s frontline doctors (AFLDS) dot org provides phone consults for Ivermectin and other early Covid interventions and prevention.
States are only free as long as the people elect governors and legislators devoted to freedom. Lots of Republicans are as bad as Democrats. I’ve been looking for a house in a freer state for a long time but am not sure it will ultimately matter where I am.
Go to a state that is currently free (there aren’t many left) and make sure that nobody can screw with the next election.
As soon as those voting machines are compromised, your state is done. Good luck!
Yes, Lulu, excellent summary of where we are and what we are facing. We are in the process of being enslaved. We are no longer free. Freedom is dead in America.
This morning, while I was feeding the animals, my two year old snuck out of the house, made her way up the footpath to find her daddy in the woods feeding the rabbits.
We held hands on the way back and the sun was just peaking through the trees, spreading scattered warm light upon the path. And I felt in that moment with her, just that, as you so desire.
My father died this past Friday. I pray and hope he is looking down upon us, filled with happiness, peace and understanding now of just what it is i am trying to do here, up in the woods, my wife and me with our three young daughters… sheltering them… but also expanding… with intent of doing so in ways you Sara so lovingly speak of…
You have zeroed in on the tragedy happening within families and friendships.
A grandma being told she can’t see her daughter’s first baby bc she’s not vaccinated.
A mom and dad watching helpless as their children vaccinate THEIR children; who are being threatened with no family get-togethers as mom and dad hold out against the jab.
A jabbed sister accusing her unjabbed sister of not caring about her pregnant jabbed daughter.
A jabbed brother responding to his unjabbed twin sister’s inquiry about his jabbed, but very sick with COVID wife: when asked if he had considered for his wife ivermectin and hcq: “No, because I’m not a CULTIST”… That twin sister is ME.
I’m sure many people have similar tales.
I’m blessed bc my 2 girls in their mid 30s and their husbands aren’t jabbed, and we don’t have that tension.
Yes, my husband was injected and he now has insomnia, disturbingly vivid nightmares and joint pain to the point he is considering surgery. But he does *not* connect his misery to the injections he took.
And he dismisses Ivermectin as horse medicine. I don’t know what else to do, except to keep our life insurance up to date. Not the retirement I was hoping for.. most of my friends and coworkers got the injections too.
Sarah, the COVID/vax division grew out of the political division in full force in our country. Medicine has been politicized and weaponized. So yes I agree that the anger and division are pretty dang extreme.
Yesterday I went to a baby shower. I have been a bit anxious about encountering folks I know who are not only on the other side, but who can be rather in your face at inappropriate times. I knew such a woman would be there. She’s full of rage against conservatives but usually keeps it under wraps in mixed settings.
Anyway, for some reason (and maybe bc I have been desperately wanting to shed my rage and “hatred”) I was extremely calm and full of an embracing acceptance of her and others on the other side at this party.
I shocked her with my genuine warm greeting; she was uncomfortable I could see. For some reason I just FORGOT about her “politics and religion” and just recognized the goodness and humor and caring that I know are HER.
I love this true story!
Sarah, what a beautiful post!
I share the sentiments you so eloquently expressed, as I also have family members and loved ones who got the two vax doses. I certainly relate to “…a bedrock of sorrow and fear…” for my precious family.
(Been using the Bach Flower Remedy- Red Chestnut, which I highly recommend.)
I pray that as we speak, there are some very good and very smart people who are working on an antidote that will reverse any and all negative effects resulting from both the virus and the vax. Angels among us ??
I’m grateful that my family has accepted my decision not to get the vax, and I don’t share with them any of this scary stuff I’m learning because what would be the point?
I’m also grateful that we just don’t talk about it. As a matter of fact, we don’t talk as much as we once did and that makes me sad, but we are, for the most part, on good terms despite being on opposite ends of the political/social spectrum.
??????
Where are the attorneys? Where are the product liability lawsuits?
Surely if it’s FDA approved it cannot enjoy immunity from liability?
There are NO other products or services offered to the public that are immune from liability, why would an FDA approved vaccine be any different?
Although that hasn’t stopped the makers of oxcy/opioids from trying to escape their criminal culpability by seeking immunity from liability!
Watch TV for any length of time and you’ll see numerous, ongoing, sometimes class-action product liability lawsuits being advertised for many, many FDA approved drugs.
The immunity from liability was a sold to the public as being a necessary compromise because of the severity of the disease and the need to use an untested, unapproved, and experimental vaccine to prevent the deaths of millions of Americans.
Of course, that never happed because the disease is basically no more deadly than the seasonal flu.
Now that the vaccine is FDA approved, SURELY the manufacturers must be responsible for their products and be exposed to product liability just like all other manufacturers!
Given the very nature of product liability lawyers, I can’t believe they’re not clouding the sky as they circle overhead waiting to feast on the rotting corpse of “Big Pharma”!
Come on all you defenders of the public interest…SUE THESE BASTARDS INTO OBLIVION!
It should be extremely easy given the magnitude of the harm being done by these drugs!
Mass psychosis + cowardice = Where did everybody go? Or at least, the sane folks with a backbone? They’re gone, gone, gone and we are on our own.
Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from liability. The federal government has a vaccine injured program where one so impacted files a claim which is reviewed by a “Vaccine Court” which decides compensation. Doctors and hospitals, however, must obtain Informed Consent before administering experimental drugs. Those harmed by experimental vaxes-those given under Emergency Use Authorization- may have a claim against those who failed to inform them that there are effective treatments and that the experimental jab can cause various adverse side effects. Importantly, now that there is at least 12 months of published research on the effectiveness of EARLY TREATMENT with HCQ, Ivermectin and zinc, Vitamins, these health care deliverers will no longer be able to hide behind the “community standard of neglect” promulgated by the government agencies. Real US doctors are having real positive results with early treatment while the weak cowards are still hiding behind Fauci’s apron (you know, the one he wears in Ralph Baric’s gain of function lab at UNC). Huge metaanalysis and developing countries (who cannot afford mass vaccinations) show great outcomes with early treatment. They should review the military tribunal records in USA v Karl Brandt, where German doctor and 9 others were sentenced to execution for their “experimentations”.
I’ve had several people offer a similar explanation, but so far no one has provided any source/citation.
Please watch this short clip featuring Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA vaccines:
Pfizer Seeking Full Indemnification
Pfizer Seeking Full Indemnification (rumble.com)
If what Kat Ford (see above) and others have asserted was true, then Pfizer and the other vaccine makers wouldn’t need to seek legal protection would they?
George Washington mandated an experimental inoculation on the Continental Army, it basically rescued the American Revolution at Valley Forge. Thoughts?
For smallpox in the middle of a war – not the common cold and every man woman and child. I’m pretty sure you know that but want to draw some equivalence or got some “talking points to use with stupid deplorables” to spread on alt media sites.
I don’t believe in the stupid deplorables sentiment and don’t really appreciate the attempt to put words into my mouth. I simply asked a question. I think your response started out fine then you veered toward judgement, defensive, I don’t know, I don’t presume to know your thoughts. Just a simple question.
Looking at all your replies it seems like you are a bigtime vaxx promoter/supporter – you do you – but trying to convince others to take something that is deadly seems wrong.
Well, you’re free make whatever assumptions you would like, you don’t know me in slightest. Just as I don’t know you. If you would like to know, I believe all medical care is unique to the individual and they should have the freedom to pursue whatever course they believe is best for them with the exception of assisted suicide. At the same time I do not assume a person in disagreement with me is my enemy or stupid to use your word. Now you have more to go on.
The death rate from smallpox was 30%. The death rate from Covid, unless you’re old and sick, is 0.02%. Apples and oranges.
It was not really experimental. variolation was done in Europe from the late 1600s to early 1700s and was pretty widespread in Britain by the 1750s.
So if by experimental. You mean widespread for 25 years, then yes it was experimental.
Secondly, For a disease with a 30% death rate and corpses actually piling up one can see a driver. For a disease with 0.02% (and that is being generous to the CDC) not so much.
Vaccines for various coronavirus have been in study/ development for some twenty years also, so would agree this, by your definition is also not experimental?
How is widespread use on hundreds of thousands of humans for 100 years the same as in-vitro studies and animal experiments all of which have resulted in terrible outcomes remotely similar?
So no in answer to your question I would not say it is not experimental.
Even for candidates like rabies this sort of thing is still in Phase 1 (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33487468/)
Seems experimental to me.
Sorry, Tristan your point was about the fact that inoculation was being practiced in Europe for 25 years before the Washington mandate. You can’t now change the argument to 100 years to recover your point. The equivalence is the time period you yourself set. 25 years. My question was since various vaccines for various coronavirus have been in development and study for more than 20 years by your own definition would you consider the situation now as experimental?
No if you read my original post. my point was it was widespread use for 25 years before this date. As my original comment stated it had been in use from the late 1600s. I make that a hundred years or so.
As I also stated as the only other human candidate for mrna being rabies has been only in Phase I (in 2017) I would say they are experimental.
You are correct I misread your post thank you for the clarification. I apologize. Now, I have a different question. Earlier in this thread you argued that we cannot know long term effect of Covid because it has only been around for some 18 months. Since the vaccine approved for use emergency or otherwise has only been around for some 6 months is it legitimate to call it dangerous or safe or make any other conclusive statements as seem to be a regular part of the conversation here?
It’s dangerous if it produces these type of results …
https://rumble.com/vldaex-vaxxed-patients-blood-examined-horrific-findings-revealed-by-german-physici.html
What makes Rumble a trustworthy news source when compared with other news sources? How do we know we are not all just being fed misinformation on both sides of the argument to foment division and make it easy to bring down the U.S.?
Umm … Rumble isn’t a news source, it’s a place where experts can talk about uncensored science.
If you feel you are getting uncensored medical news on this subject or any other feel free to believe what you wish.
Have you heard of the Smith Mundt Act, repealed by the Obama Administration? It effects broadcast media.
You’re right information source not news source. Yes, I understand the Smith Munda Act. Not sure why that piece of legislation matters though. Social media, YouTube, etc make it easy to disseminate information outside of traditional news/ information sources.
Generalizing wrt to social media ‘sources’ doesn’t carry ANY weight here. The gig is up bro… back to romper room for the social media dyslexic.
Dude, stop not caring so much. Though while you’re here, do you have any thoughts on the historical parallels between George Washington’s small pox mandate the the Pentagon mandating all service men and women getting a Covid “vaccine?” Since that is the reason I dropped in today or do you just want to be condescending and superior?
Hard to say if GW makes that decision today. The knowledge gap between that time period and now is massive.
Completely agree thanks for responding. Do you think doing so then was consistent with the ideals being put forth by the Continental Congress?
As I mentioned below the China virus is not lethal (Jab or no Jab) so not a extreme situation so no reason for GW to act.
No. Gene therapy is different.
I’m sorry I don’t know what you are referring to, Gene therapy is different from what?
Small Pox killed a few thousand soldiers we are closing in on 700,000 Americans with deaths from Covid/ Covid related complications. Does the percentage really matter? Besides I was asking for your thoughts on the historical fact that Washington ordered a mandate for inoculation.
700,000??
With all the respect you are due.
BS. Absolute, 100 per cent a lie.
You are misrepresenting that number, by a very large margin. You know you are. You are slick, a bit polished, a little too much politeness? And your perfect grammar!! Wow.
But….your lightly coated word salad, does nothing to make your post valid.
I will call you out, all day long on your numbers. Hoss puckey son…complete and utter nonsense.
You are lying and pushing the preferred narrative. I smell you….and your ilk.
A suspicious cat, knows exactly what you are. Troll e trollol.
How do you know it’s a lie?
So the fact that I type with correct grammar makes me suspicious?? Come on man, even you have to see the ridiculousness of that position. Seriously though I’m simply stating the reported number. I even qualified it with Covid or Covid complications. I’m not unaware that some hospitals could have too quickly identified Covid as a cause of death but that is the generally accepted number.
I reject the number you are throwing out, and I am categorically stating, you are a leftist troll.
You dont have to like it, or dislike it. You are what you are.
Using the Fraudxi/CDC/Demorat number gives you away bud. Give it up.
Your type is not new. You must be new to your job.
I’ve actually been doing my job for quite some time.
Its really quite simple.
Having a brain and a healthy understanding of this virus. Since I contracted it in February 2020. Whilst being treated for squamous cell carcinoma of the neck.
Through the lens of my 3 oncologists. And having a medical team that scoffs at the nonsense you are pushing.
Through the lens of family, who are medical professionals and have been so for decades.
Your number, is the Fraudci and Co.’s number.
In fact, come out from under the rock where you reside, and understand, there are Red State, real medical professionals who do not lie, obfuscate, nor come to CTH to debate with know nothings such as yourself. The number you are lying about is not even close. I suppose you missed the revised numbers that your beloved CDC admitted to. But you keep on keeping on…..
Im still alive. Co-morbidity’s be damned. you have nothing for me, or anyone else, because you are lying about this.
You cannot fool the suspicious cat with your innocent play here troll e trollol…
Ok.
You seem really well informed and I’m glad you have a medical team helping you make wise decisions.
Also just read your story above. Glad you recovered.
Go back to the Dr. Don Stock video that was posted here on CTH. Learn the difference between a disease that can acquire an “Animal Reservoir” as with colds, flu, China Virus vs those that cannot such as smallpox. The conflation of the two is also why the Court cited precedent of the 1905 Case Jacobson vs Massachusetts is NOT relevant to China Virus related mandates.
A vaccine works for smallpox while there is actually no such thing as a vaccines for colds, flu or China Virus.
George Washington was addressing a disease that could actually be countered by a vaccine.
The point is not the disease or the difference between the vaccines and the MRNA treatment, the question is about the mandate to the entire Continental Army for anyone who had not yet had and survived Small Pox.
I recognize your version of NPL and it’s so obvious you must be a newbie.
Really? The point is not this, but the question is that. Frankly, we don’t care what stawman question you are attempting to distract yourself with.
Maybe we can have a discussion of framing anchoring … a really simple one you could understand
Interesting the way you use insults as a form of argumentation. But you don’t care…remember?
I don’t know what NPL is. If you don’t care why did you engage me?
Of course and that’s why. Exactly the response I predicted
You’re like a mind reader. Still don’t know what NPL is though. You probably predicted that too. It’s strange I’ve been called too smart and too stupid so far tonight.
Small pox had no animal reservoir. It could not mutate in other animals. There are no coronaviruses that have animal reservoirs that we have been able to eradicate, and it’s a futile effort to try. While this wouldn’t have been known at the time, it was effective largely for that reason.
Ok, but what are your thoughts on Washington mandating that the entire Continental Army be inoculated against small pox. The post was about the mandate.
Your subtle stawman arguments don’t work here. We know too much about this engineered spike protein jab.
Read carefully, I have made a single argument. I have asked questions.
Not, I have not made any arguments.
You know what’s crazy, I am in complete agreement with you that it is an engineered spike protein non-vaccine. I don’t even know if people should take it. Maybe you can help me, why do some people react with such passion to someone asking questions.?
Irrelevant questions leading to stawman arguments have no quarter here.
Maybe you could ask a pertinent question related to the topic at hand … you know, maybe read the rules of engagement here.
The topic was FDA approval and the mandates that are following seems pertinent to me so I asked a question.
I wonder if it was a tough choice for Washington, or if he considered it the only option left in a last resort military situation. As you said, he rescued the American Revolution. Yes it was a risk, but they alternative was dire straights and the battle against tyranny may never have been won.
I wonder if Washington considered a possibility that the inoculation may not be as advertised, but could actually be a poison provided by the British?
Thank you for responding to the actual question. I think it must have terribly frightening think of the risk of killing off such a large chunk of the army. Now, follow up question. What do you think of Abigail Adam’s making the choice to take the inoculation and having it given to her kids? That must have been crazy given the explicit risk but also the gender roles of the time she made that choice without her husband.
Yes, I understand that. Their marriage was the exception, not even a little bit the rule so it is still very brave of her to strike out on her own for that decision. I wrote in admiration not condemnation. Not to mention the fact that what she advocated for did not come to fruition for 150 years.
Here’s my understanding (limited as it is) of one difference between the small pox vax and the KungFlu jab: Small pox does not jump from one species to another. Instead, humans are the only carriers of it, so inoculating humans was and is a safe route to take because the virus does not have multiple opportunities to mutate and “get around the vaccine.”
The Corona, like other flu viruses, can easily be passed from one species to another (I’ve heard reports that pets can get it, as can deer). When that happens, the virus mutates, making these vaccine ineffective. I believe this is what’s called a “leaky vaccine,” which is a vaccine that does not work properly and causes more problems than it fixes, including more robust strains that are vax-resistant.
I appreciate all that, my original post was just to talk about the concept of mandates in the 1700s versus now. I’m in no way arguing for or against the small pox inoculation or the various coronavirus treatments. I got off the target a bit with Tristan but the original post remains. Washington was the leader of an Army fighting for independence and self rule and yet in a time of extreme circumstances mandated an unproven medical treatment. It draws historical parallels to the present.
We know the China virus is not lethal (Jab or no Jab) so not a extreme circumstance.
Ok, thanks.
I work for a health network who’s the largest employer in a region where the largest industry is health care. They jointly announced with the next 2 largest networks in the region that they’ll all be implementing the same universal vax policy for all employees (even full time remote workers), all contractors/vendors, basically anyone who enters the hospital except patients. I saw Alex Berenson tweet he’s heard of this going on around the country and these agreements possibly being anti-trust/collusion type violation. The policy also states everyone is subject to any future boosters they decide to mandate.
I have possible medial and religious exemptions that I’m going to apply for. Not sure if I should do both at the same time or if one is a better option than the other.
It that fails I could try to submit a J&J card from months ago but then I’d have to deal with this issue everytime they mandate boosters.
They claim they cant really prove vax cards are legit, they have to trust individual is providing valid card until a vax registry is developed.
I’m also going to file an anonymous code of conduct violation against the people involved with creating the hospital’s covid policies to hopefully block activation of the vax policy and start an investigation. There’s clearly ethical issues with them withholding information and flat out lying about the effectiveness of masks, etc and the reasons for implementing these policies.
The “proof” which claim means vaccines are safe is completely ridiculous https://www.lvhn.org/news/all-lehigh-valley-health-network-st-lukes-university-health-network-and-good-shepherd
Anyone have any resources or advice in dealing with this?
Hopefully, you can ride this out. If enough of you refuse they may back off otherwise if the ADE happens there may be lots of jobs in a year or so…
You could turn in a fake card and then do the same when the booster mandates come or if not possible walk then.
When this is all over, there will be a clamouring for unvaxed Med workers.
My hope is you can all band together and get a new, improved Med Sys going.
I’m sure there are probably some stay- in- own -home elderly right now who would give their eye teeth for a non-vaxed help. And probably pay well out of pocket for it.
Obviously, since I’m not in Medical, I have no idea about the logistics of doing something like this. Probably have to hire yourself out as just a “regular aide” >>> but in fact you’d have high level, valuable training that people would be happy to pay extra for- those who can afford it, anyway.
I just hope you Med workers can start really thinking out of the box over the next few months, keep yourselves afloat w/o getting vaxed and be around when we really need you post -insanity.
Patriot Nurse (on YT) probably has some suggestions that would be way more relevant than what a non- Med worker can provide.
Here’s her YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThePatriotNurse
IMHO, we are going to need people like her. At some point, there will be a need for sane medical professionals.
If the tyrants insist on tyranny, there are examples of the underground systems, and economy’s, for which our forefathers were well known for….that is what will happen, if they want to divide the free and the sheep in this manner.
*wink *
You may have other skills that people would be happy to pay out of pocket for, too.
Massage Therapy comes to mind.
Physical Therapists should do well independent of the (currently suspect) Med sys.
I’m sure there’s others that I don’t even know about.
I’m dealing with the same thing – I work for a State government.
First it was decreed that all staff in nursing homes be vaccinated.
Then recently it was decreed that all State (executive branch) employees must get the jab, I believe by 10/17. In other posts I mistakenly said 10/1.
In the Governor’s communication, it states you “may” be able to get a religious or medical exemption. Understand that State law allows for both, but I’m personally not liking the way the sentence containing “may” sounds – as if you can apply for either but might not be granted the exemption (unless this has to do with medical because not all medical will qualify).
The same Gov mandated flu vaccines last year for state employees and I took the religious exemption.
This time, although ultimately I will take the religious exemption if that is the only way to avoid the vaccine, I want to do more to “throw sand in the gears” because I do not believe in forced medical procedures and that ultimately is what needs to be addressed.
Exemptions are well and good, and necessary, but the ultimate issue is this supposed power of an employer to force vaccination just because you work for them.
In the Governor’s letter, there is a section that expresses something to the effect that the State “hopes” (and that is not the word used, the phrasing is a bit more nuanced but I don’t have the letter in front of me), that the Unions will be on board with this.
So, my plan of action-first I am going to my Union to register a complaint as well as find out where the Union Leadership stands on this because we have yet to receive communication from them on this.
Second, I am putting together a letter to the Governor and will invite coworkers who are on the same page with being against medical mandates – whether vaccinated or unvaccinated, to sign on to the letter.
Next, in keeping with what the George Mason University professor just did – successfully sued the University against their Vaccine Mandate – because he has Natural Immunity (as do I), and therefore does not need a vaccine – I am going to get in touch with the Law Organization he used and see about doing the same thing.
So these are some ideas for you. Lastly, check out Attorney Robert Barnes twitter feed – he has lots of great advice and free vaccine template letters to use in responding to employer mandates.
I hope this helps and good luck to us both, and to all of us subject to this medical tyranny.
https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/upost/987884/employer-letter-example-vaccine-mandate-objection
TY Maine :-).
And BTW, I have a lovely 13 year old, female mainecoon.
MaineCoons are so sweet.
I believe the religious exemption is the one that works because it already has Constitutional precedent for FDA approved medical treatments. They can’t toss that one aside so easily.
Don’t waste your breath on the other arguments. They don’t think logically at all, but their legal departments know not to mess with a religious exemption.
Robert Barnes, Esq. Go to his channel on VivabarnesLaw.Locals.com. Read the links below his posts. He has posted a template of a letter for those submitting a vax exemption letter based on religious beliefs. Also, listen to his live streams. He is filing various suits on the vax issue, including one with Robert F Kennedy Jr, who he will have on his channel soon for an interview on the vax issues. Get his notifications. He’s going to file many lawsuits representing many classes.
Just posted by Robert Barnes, esq.
https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/upost/987884/employer-letter-example-vaccine-mandate-objection
Claim you have stroke history in your family and your doctor recommended you not take a chance of the clot shot.
Unless you get a doctors note it won’t hold water. And the commie states that require the injections also threaten their medical community, so it’s a safe bet that no doctor will approve exemptions.
I would make them fire me first (do not quit or sign anything) then you can sue them and move to a free state with your winnings.
I have decided to take the jab after I’m dead the same way they will change me from voting Republican to Democrat after I’m dead.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/teacher-investigation-unvaccinated-people-die
Actually I am just going to say it……I. AM. ANTIVAX. I can’t stand all the I am not antivax sentiment! All vaccines have poison in them. We don’t need anything to improve our God given immune systems!
Well, with all due respect, there are some, that literally saved the majority of the planet. A few times.
This is completely different though. I’m sure we agree there. Its evil, what they are pushing. For a 99.87 per cent survivability.
Im not ever going to take the clot shot, I had Rona, have the antibody’s. Good to go. But, truth is truth, It has no agenda. Some of them have done good. Back when politics didn’t enter medicine.
No vaccine ever saved the planet. Vaccines are a scam. Germ theory another scam. We have been lied to about so very much!
Yes, our Creator gifted us withe all the tools for survival … even from The Plague and Ebola.
Correct- read Dr. Suzanne Humphries book Dissolving Illusions. Most vaccines for childhood illnesses were on their way out long before vaccines were introduced. Polio was due to mass spraying with neurotoxin, DDT. Polio ended when DDT spraying ended.
The FDA, WHO, CDC and drug manufacturers have lost all their credibility now. I would never get another needle in my arm.
I won’t even go into a hospital anymore. I’d rather drop dead at home.
I’ve mentioned my son’s friend in the Marines, 2nd year, has been refusing the vaccine and they’ve been giving him and others who have refused a very hard time. He just sent my son this letter via text.
I told him to apply for religious exemption due to the aborted fetus used in the creation of the vaccine, also their own reporting of high incidence of heart inflammation among military that have had the vaccine.
Our military people are screwed. They don’t even have the option to quit since many, being highly trained, are obligated by lengthy commitments. They are between a rock and a hard place.
If they can stick it out a year or so, all their tormentors will be dead from heart attacks, strokes and ADE. Think if it as a POW camp, and tough it out for another year. Better than dying for FauXI.
Back and forth with my friend, a pharmacist, is surprising to me
Here’s some fun from the exchange:
Him:
Trust pharma
“They tanked their blind trials because of ethics”
Me:
say drug reps and ethics in the same sentence again because you’re funny
Him:
There’s an ongoing trial we’re in it and I’m all in on it
Me:
Little “miracle” has the FDA/GVT paying billions to use the rushed vax of the companies they are supposed to be regulating. In any other circumstance we call that corruption and send folks to jail
Him:
Trust the science, it’s revolutionary
Me:
We’re throwing a revolution
Him:
There are only minor side effects
Me:
That’s cuz they ain’t lookin. Since we skipped the animal trials and the pharma cos knew they could get away with it they tanked the blind study portions of the trials…
…so, have you asked your local county health department what if any funding exists for autopsies cuz I am hearing pathologists complain that none are being done on patients who took the vax in close proximity to death…and there’s no funding for such
[The pharma cos should be funding them]
I have. It’s radio silence from the county.
Me:
Happy time is over when they use this approval to force vax our soldiers and front line health care workers who don’t want to guinea pigs (cuz they don’t trust big pharma – trust me every doc and nurse who eats drug rep catered meals daily at work know how this game is really played… I wonder if pharmacists also get catered that often too)
Bottom line is that the FDA paying to get a rushed vax has Zero incentive to find any problems. They too are fully “in” with the companies they are supposed to regulate here. Forgive America its reluctance to go along without knowing the long term side effects.
“equal hospitalization rate of vaxxed and non-vaxxed patients”
But wait – we’re repeatedly told that this is an “epidemic of the unvaxxed”
Are there numbers for that?
Or is it simply an unfounded assertion?
(aka “bald-faced lie”)
It’s a lie.
To boost those “epidemic of the unvaccinated” numbers, the CDC counts anyone with only one shot or infected within two weeks of their second shot “unvaccinated”.
Next week they will probably be calling anyone without their 5th “booster shot” unvaccinated …
They also run the tests differently to find ‘positives’ where they don’t really exist, and downplay Covid only in the vaxxed population
… and I remember about a month ago, Sundance said in one of his articles that there was new CDC guidance to NOT TEST the vaccinated
… thereby creating a false pool of test results where all of the new COVID ‘positive detections’ were in unvaccinated people
haven’t seen that aspect in the press recently but I remember Sundance’s statement clearly
it was at the same time that they came out with a “new” test, maybe the one that would supposedly discriminate covid from flu A and flu B, which the earlier tests did not discriminate
I have had this poem hanging in my house for years and years. I love the messages in it, and the hopefulness. My children grew up with it. Thank you.
******** FLASH!!!! ******** Vaccine Not Approved, Simple EUA Is Extended
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
FDA did NOT issue an approval for any “vaccine.”……FDA is simply reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and uses, and to authorize use of OMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA. In addition, the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) was revised to provide updates on expiration dating of the authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and to update language regarding warnings and precautions related to myocarditis and pericarditis
This puts real science back in play as part of the defense against the mandates.
I have little or no hope in the “religious” objection arguments carrying the day vs Public Good and Public Safety with the Supreme Court.
Actually they issued two letters. One is the extended EUA which you have. The other grants a license to Pfizer for the vaccine to prevent COVID. They said both cover the same medical product. One of them is done for some legal reason. See all the footnotes in License Approval letter. https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
So is it approved or not? I read the FDA document closely….it doesn’t appear to be so to me…unless…I am unclear on the legal meaning of “license”… and if it is ” approved” the why was emergency use extended?
My nurse daughter (who is 8 months pregnant) just got email from work today stating she has until October 31st to get Pfizer or Moderna shot (hospital where she works will not accept J&J). She is absolutely distraught (already lost 2 weeks PTO because they made her quarantine for supposed covid exposure- apparently masks & gloves don’t work; she never got sick). The place has been giving my daughter & another pregnant employee who have both refused shots an extremely hard time. Luckily she is due soon & will hopefully be on her maternity leave before mandate kicks in.
Any prayers for my daughter & all others who are now being forced to vax because of this fraud approval are appreciated.
Prayers Up!
This is so horrible. I’m facing a mandate too – but being pregnant she DOES NOT NEED this added stress!
Lord deliver Us from Evil.
Make sure she doesn’t nurse the baby. Spikes have gone from mother to child and killed the child.
Is there anyway she could just take maternity leave?
She only has 4 weeks PTO left since being forced to quarantine for 2 weeks already. I think she is going to try to go as long as possible and then take maternity leave (she should have baby before first jab is due). By law she’s entitled to 12 weeks- they just don’t have to pay her (not sure what happens to health insurance benefits though). Don’t know if she’ll go back- highly doubt it as that place has really rubbed her the wrong way! She is fairly certain she already had COVID in December of 19 and offered to get tested for natural immunity, but they won’t allow that.
I’m so sorry about your situation (and now so many others too). Also worry about my children still in college (and countless others) who so far have avoided the jab – suspect they’ll be told to get it or kiss college goodbye.
Good ol’ Gov Justice said today he wasn’t ready to have a statewide mandate, but he wouldn’t rule one out either.
God help us here & abroad ?
Praying ! My daughter who is in her clinical year of PA school is in same both . She applied for a religious exemption . They are making it difficult. The kind of comments she is hearing from other healthcare workers who are all jabbed is “ why should we let anyone into the ER who is not vaccinated ?”
We need a revolution . We need brave healthcare givers to exit this corrupt system , why would you even want to be a part of that morally bankrupt professional class ?
So the Pfizer quackzine gets full FDA approval at the same time the government is suddenly pushing a third shot after 8 months, with no idea how frequently other “booster” shots will be needed?
Clearly FDA approval hasn’t followed normal procedures, therefore is nothing to do with the quackzine being actually proved safe, and everything to do with justification of quackzine mandates and passports.
How do we know this for certain?
1. “Vaccination cards” are allowed but natural immunity cards are not. (Despite natural immunity being superior).
2. The unprecedented legal immunity granted to Pfizer on the basis of emergency has not been rescinded even though the quackzine has been “approved”.
Its disgusting they approve this crap without any long term testing and I feel sad for all the people that will die of so many things, specifically microscopic blood clotting among many others, pray for these people who mistakenly took the jab.
I’m not clear on the math: “[ex. If 75% of the regional population is vaccinated, then 75% of the hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated.] This statistic demonstrates the vaccine doesn’t stop serious illness.”
If a city of 10k ppl are at 75% vax, then that’s 7500 ppl.
If that city’s hospital is at full capacity, say 100 beds, it doesn’t follow that 75 of those 100 beds are occupied by vaxxed ppl.
It could be that a majority of the hospitalized are from the remaining 2,500 unvaxxed ppl.
What am I missing?
What is becoming a pattern in the “vaccination nations” is that the percentage of vaxxed vs. unvaxxed who get hospitalized for the Fauci Flu closely matches the vaxxed vs. unvaxxed ratio in the non hospitalized population.
Ie: the claims that the vaccines dramatically reduce the risk of hospitalization are not standing up to the test of the new strains circulating.
Even though the FDA has approved the Pfizer vaccine you may still obtain religious and medical exemptions per Liberty Counsel. Contact them at LC.org for more information.
And the answer is still
N O ! SPIT!
Everyone in the media is all a craze right now saying the vaccines are now FDA approved.
THEY ARE NOT! They only extended the EUA.
The media it lying in order to trick more people into taking the vaccine.
The bastards! The deception is absolutely brazen and breathtaking. I see lawsuits a fly’n!
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
https://m.jpost.com/health-science/15-treatment-gets-covid-patients-off-ventilators-in-under-a-week-study-677479. Israel is using Fenofibrate, a cholesterol lowering drug to treat severe covid cases with success.
??? Is this guy nuts? And he wants to run for US Senate as a Repub? Brnovich, AZ. AG:
….” PHOENIX (AP) — Private Arizona businesses can require their employees to be vaccinated against COVID-19 but must allow reasonable religious and medical exemptions under state and federal law, state Attorney General Mark Brnovich wrote in a legal opinion.
And they can impose vaccine requirements on patrons as well, as long as they provide reasonable accommodation for customers who can’t take a vaccine because of a disability or don’t discriminate against someone who won’t take a vaccine for religious reasons, the Republican wrote in Friday’s opinion.”……
https://mohavedailynews.com/news/133863/arizona-ag-says-businesses-can-require-covid-19-vaccines/
I don’t know about the legality of imposing vaccine requirements on patrons at restaurants, but I think employers do have to allow reasonable religious exemptions to the mandate. I guess you are going to have to take your Bible to work and to dinner now. Make sure you have your name engraved on it in big gold letters. (That’s sarcasm. I think it is probably illegal for them to ask you to prove your religious beliefs or for them to decide if your religious beliefs are acceptable.)
Just start handing out The Watchtower at the water cooler. They’ll get the hint.
Regarding vaccines, people keep referring to 2 populations of people: Vaccinated and Un-vaccinated.
This is incorrect.
There are FOUR (as of now).
Unvaccinated
1 Dose vaccinated
2 Dose vaccinated
3 Dose vaccinated
Because these vaccines are NON STERILIZING (It doesn’t prevent infection, production of virus, symptoms or spread)
The virus is circulating in ALL FOUR. (See Israel)
The virus is mutating in ALL FOUR because that’s what viruses do.
Finally, if you believe “THE SCIENCE” according to Lord Fauci.
The virus also exists in an animal or animals that Lord Fauci can’t even find.
Because of all this….
There is NO WAY to vaccinate our way out of this problem.
At this point, they are maybe therapeutic only.
Knowing what we know about drugs like Thalidimide, we should stop distributing this vaccine until it has gone through the normal thorough process that every other drug does….in fact scrutinize it more as they are utilizing never before used experimental technology.
Short of that, optional.
They don’t care. They’re just trying to kill everyone. Actually, the AFLDS dot org website has an excellent article on mass psychosis and psychotic breaks.
They are being illogical on purpose. It’s all part of the process of wearing us down for submission. We need to find a different tack because logic won’t matter.
I was dumbstruck when I saw this segment of the Bartiromo interview. This guy’s analysis is spot on. The issue of forced medical tyranny, or our freedoms being eroded before our eyes, is bigger than Afghanistan, maybe bigger than election fraud at this moment. It is an issue that is not something distant that can be temporarily ignored, or adapted to. It is immediate and personal and affects us here and now. It could even mean death. And PT just blew the question off and bragged. It was a major fail
JAB is a “Leaky Vaccine”. It offers the patient a short term anti body but fades in a few months. It is not an Immunization! The only way to herd immunity is for most people to get c19, treat it with therapeutics and let your body’s anti body’s take over. Then you have herd immunity. You cannot stop a pandemic with a vaccine. Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of Mrna.
President Trump was treated with 8 grams of Regeneron. The JAB is pure bullshit.
We need to demand that lawmakers rescind the PREP act for the COVID vaccine now that the FDA has granted “full” approval. If the vaccine is as safe as the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA say it is, there is no longer a need to provide blanket liability protection for those who may suffer side effects.
What lawmakers are you referring to? The ones we didn’t vote in that are busy robbing the treasury? Those lawmakers?
Israel Booster news: 2790 people with booster already positive. 187 hospitalized. 88 serious cases. Fewer than 15 DEAD!
Booster not really working!
Wow. They must believe the Propaganda has really taken over full force w/ the sheep to giddily report this as “good news”.
I have to say this Berenson guy is relentless. Major props!
Remember…we are all going to die. All of of us, no exceptions. How you go is just as important as when and why…probably even more important.
Go out standing, boots on, gun in hand and shouting to the heavens. Remember why you are here…to protect those weaker than you. Always remember that! There are those behind you depending on your strength. You are here for that reason alone. That is your mission, it always was and always will be.
“Remember…we are all going to die. All of of us, no exceptions. How you go is just as important as when and why…probably even more important.
Remember why you are here…to protect those weaker than you. Always remember that! There are those behind you depending on your strength. You are here for that reason alone. That is your mission, it always was and always will be.”
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Just thought it bears repeating.
Yeah this fear of death is really annoying. In their panic, these people are drawn to death like moths to the flame.
How about we stop panicking now and start to live again? Is this asking too much?
This wasn’t a coup, it was hey Americans how do you like me now…
USA government the most corrupt crime syndicate on earth…
Soon to be replaced by thier leaders the CCP, coming to a civil office near you: at your taxpaying expense.
Is it approved or is its emergency use authorization extended? I’ve heard both.
It’s both. Folks are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Full authorization for age 16 and above. Extended EUA for ages 12-15.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
Sundance, the link you posted appears to be more of an announcement than an official document. Please reference this FDA letter which outlines the scope of the “approval.”
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
“On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA. “
My take after a quick read is that the EUA has been extended and modified, but I saw no mention of an .”FDA Approval.” Am I missing something here?
Yes, my question as well. Are we being gaslighted? Wouldn’t be the first time.
“Today’s milestone puts us one step closer to altering the course of this pandemic in the U.S.”
Words matter.
What does it mean to “alter the course”?
If 99.997% dont die from this virus, what is there to “alter”?
I’m confused.
Watch before it is taken down
RN in Michigan regarding the mandatory vaccination
Must-watch vid.
Pray this woman stays well, and takes her skills elsewhere.
Drunk with power they want to turn us into a Nation of lab rats. What happened to the Bill of Rights. What happened to the Nuremberg Code. Now that they have approved what has been said to be the most dangerous of the 3 jabs can the wrongful death civil lawsuits begin.
watch freedom alive liberty counsel Dr. McCullough
two part video on the virus and vaccine lies.
After the last Election — why does anyone have any faith in anything our institutions have to say?
We are in Soviet Times now…
Pediatricians warn parents to not vaccinate kids under 11 even thought Pfzier got FDA approval.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-covid-pfizer-vaccine-kids-20210823-x5imdoswvjd2jhlaq5oq2xs4dq-story.html
According to the FDA, the studies are not completed and they only extended the EUA (emerg use). Some of the studies aren’t even completed until 5-7 yrs from now.https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
Anyone up on this?
COVID Skeptics Request Blood Transfusions From Unvaccinated Donors
By JoNel Aleccia, Kaiser Health News
August 17, 2021
-snipped…snipped…and snipped- again. 😯
Emily Osment, an American Red Cross spokesperson, said her organization has fielded questions from clients worried that vaccinated blood would be “tainted,” capable of transmitting components from the covid vaccines. Red Cross officials said they’ve had to reassure clients that a covid vaccine, which is injected into muscle or the layer of skin below, doesn’t circulate in the blood.
“While the antibodies that are produced by the stimulated immune system in response to vaccination are found throughout the bloodstream, the actual vaccine components are not,” Jessa Merrill, the Red Cross director of biomedical communications, said in an email.
So far, such demands have been rare, industry officials said. Dr. Louis Katz, chief medical officer for ImpactLife, an Iowa-based blood center, said he’s heard from “a small handful” of patients asking for blood from unvaccinated donors. And the resounding answer from centers and hospitals, he added, has been “no.”
“I know of no one who has acceded to such a request, which would be an operational can of worms for a medically unjustifiable request,” Katz wrote in an email.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210817/covid-skeptics-request-blood-transfusions-from-unvaccinated-donors
The FDA approval was for a “biologic”. The biologic was not reviewed by the Vaccine Advisory Committee. Deceptive to call it a vaccine when it was not reviewed the way a vaccine should be. Also, the reference to lots and dates leads me to believe that lots of this “biologic” maybe getting ready to expire and perhaps they want to use it on the elderly with waning protection. Is this the reason for the most recent push to vaccinate and booster?
Welcome to the Inocculati.
I read about the FDA approval earlier on this site and others early today. And the regulars out there spouting now that its approved, you MUST take this jab because I SAY SO.
Long ago and far away its seems that womankind was told (specifically by the Catholic Church) to make as many babies as possible, no matter how much it harmed their health. Your body was not your own. Post WWII the powers that WERE wanted to increase the population.
Then came the 60’s and 70’s and I don’t think it was just women, but humankind, decided on some level “Our bodies, Ourselves.” As a human, I am personally capable of evaluating what I learn from my own research and the large group of teachers I’ve found for myself, many of which are health professionals.
I hear lots of screaming and shouting around me that I must take the jab while the ingredients are “proprietary.” But I sure know how to read what ingredients and substances in food are going to make me ill. Eating anything with gluten in it causes a painful sore at the end of my nostrils that is red and oozing for over a month (TMI sorry). It was a long hard road to figure out what was causing that issue.
But that’s just me. Everyone in my immediate family, as well as most in my extended family, and some friends have taken a shot from one manufacturer or another. I have not yet been able to fathom why. Knee-jerk reaction to the propaganda and fear? Probably a combination.
Now I’m just heartsick, one sister telling me she’s so tired now, and believes she has the china flu even though she’s taken two jabs, and now I think regrets it. So confused she is. Talking with her to get through her current dilemna.
An unknown has been set loose into so many humans. I’ll talk to them, do my best to help and I do so without even mentioning the shots.
Thank you for posting the Desiderata Sundance. It used be a poster I had on my wall in my dorm room. Blessings to all, each and every one.
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I guess you don’t consider Freedom a major issue.
It is unfortunately for us that this is not vaccine, this has nothing to do with people well being. It is about culling population at a massive global scale that the world never ever seen before. There will be tens of millions, if not billions people worldwide will die in a near future. For survival will not have the ability to procreation will end humanity as we know it. The satanic globalist will embedded technology into drone like to destroy what left of humanity. I am very glad to be found that I am wrong. But I think humanity is going to be for a rough ride if we survive this.
From Ehden’s Channel on Telegram: HOW TO GET AN EXEMPTION FROM THE PFIZER JAB:
(seven little steps)
1) The approval, including safety, is associated with National Clinical Trial (NCT) numbers: NCT04368728 and NCT04380701.
2) The committee who approved it did not refer to the Pfizer product to the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee because their “review of information submitted in your BLA, including the clinical study design and trial results, did not raise concerns or controversial issues that would have benefited from an advisory committee discussion”.
3) This means their approval is based on the inclusion criteria within the two clinical trials.
4) See the enclosed inclusion and exclusion criteria of both trials.
5) Find an exclusion criteria you belong to.
6) When being told you must get vaccinated, explain that the product approval was based on the exclusion criteria, and therefore, the approval does not apply to you.
7) Provide a conditional approval if they can provide you with evidence that the product is safe for your condition(s).
ENJOY!!!
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/history/NCT04380701
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/history/NCT04368728