Before getting to the sketchy part; first, let’s talk….
There has been a great deal of discussion about the vitriolic, almost rabid disposition of people who are pushing the vaccination.
This should not be a surprise, although it might be disconcerting to find formerly reasonable people in your network, perhaps even in your family, now become seemingly unhinged if the subject arises.
It is demonstrably true, there has been a cleaving of our American population as the debate about the COVID vaccination rages on. However, it is wise to consider the underlying psychology of a person who has been vaccinated, before engaging in an argument. You may end up being entirely correct in your position; however, an intense or combative argument? At what cost?
A vaccinated person is, as a consequence of their decision, in an irreversible frame of mind. Once the vaccination has been injected into a persons body, there is no turning back; the Rubicon has been crossed, the event horizon closes, there is no retreat. Any conversation or debate about vaccine efficacy or long-term consequences with a person who has accepted the vaccine must be weighed accordingly.
Genuine empathetic listening is needed on both sides.
The no-retreat baseline can, often does, form the origin of anger and vitriol, particularly in unstable leftists -who are, by nature of their ideology- professional blame-casters and prone to emotional responses as a matter of disposition. Therefore, it is better to avoid the topic entirely (if possible) and retain your peace of mind.
♦ Revelations over the past few years have led to the complete collapse of credibility for many institutions. The healthcare field is the latest example of a politically controlled ideological industry that can no longer be trusted to make decisions based on a detachment from their political interests.
The healthcare industry has joined the education system, the justice system (DOJ), law enforcement (FBI), the intelligence system, arts and entertainment, as well as many organizations now controlled through the prism of politics. Political ideology, as the determining factor of institutional behavior, has infected almost every facet of modern life; healthcare is no exception.
Given the nature of the metastatic corruption, very visible in multiple institutions, it is completely understandable that more people would not trust the National Institute of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or any other regulatory body or agency now vested in the COVID vaccine.
Factually, as previously stated, the FDA final approval of the vaccines is a moot point. The FDA, just like a vaccinated person, is in a no retreat position. There is no way the U.S. FDA cannot approve the vaccines that have been sold, forced and pushed upon the entire global population. Can you even begin to imagine the ramifications of the FDA saying the vaccine was (a) unsafe; or (b) ineffective? Think about it. FDA approval is a foregone conclusion, regardless of safety or efficacy.
There is every reason not to trust the healthcare industry on the issue of vaccination(s). Indeed, their obtuse behavior, logical disconnect, false assertions and gross hypocrisy is more than enough to create doubt about the vaccine. Then overlay the lack of consequence for all known institutional corruption, and there’s even more reason to doubt them.
♦ Two key issues stick in my mind about the COVID vaccines that make me pretty firm in opposition:
(1) The fact that vaccine makers would abandon the clinical trial control group is a big red flag. The fact that vaccine makers could not abandon the clinical trial control group without authorization from the FDA, CDC and NIH is an even bigger red flag. {Go Deep}
The clinical trial was assembled to produce only one result. THAT is not science. THAT is sketchy and points to an ulterior motive. That is not science, that’s political science.
(2) The fact that data shows the vaccine provides no benefit is another big red flag. Specifically, the equal hospitalization rate of vaxxed and non-vaxxed patients. Almost every study I can find with data on COVID hospitalized cases that includes the vaccination status (not many), shows an equal percentage of vaccinated/hospitalized people to the vaccinated population in general. {Go Deep}
[ex. If 75% of the regional population is vaccinated, then 75% of the hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated.] This statistic demonstrates the vaccine doesn’t stop serious illness.
Put both of those issues together, and overlay the demonstrably collapsed institutional credibility, and I am not comfortable with this specific vaccine.
I am not anti-VAX, I am not comfortable with THIS specific vaccination. And, again, once administered there is no retreat.
We should all cherish, respect and value the differences of opinion of this very personal issue. Healthcare is a personal and private matter. Other people have different factors, risk-factors and hundreds of considerations that guide or have guided their decision. We should all respect that; and we do not want to see ‘vaccination status‘ become a fragmentation problem for our CTH community. We are all in the same foxhole.
♦ALL OF THAT said, Dr. Ryan Cole is a Mayo-trained physician who has seen over 350,000 patients in his career. He also serves as the CEO of Cole Diagnostics, which has processed over 100,000 Coronavirus tests. Dr. Cole gave an alarming presentation that merits consideration:

WATCH VIDEO HERE
In response to criticism for his position, Dr. Cole wrote:
“I am concerned about the lack of long term safety data, because this vaccine is simply too new. We have never tried an mRNA vaccine in humans before. I am concerned about the implications of injection of foreign, synthetic mRNA and the antibody reaction which cannot be reversed. It concerns me that large numbers of individuals are being essentially enrolled in a long term phase III clinical trial for the vaccine without being fully informed of this, with no ability for recompense if injured or in case of death. I am concerned by the number of adverse event and deaths that have been reported in correlation with this vaccine administration.” (link)
At my office we had a heated argument. One of the vaxxed ones asked out loud if he could sue us for damages when we un-vaxxed would infect him with this Chinese bio weapon.
As usual i did not engage in the discussion. I dont talk politics with commies. The un-vaxxed at my office- 20 out of a 100 are grouping together and whispering about what to do when this medical terror gets worse.
I read last week the Fraudster in the White House is preparing to make arrangements so that i as an un-vaxxed can not enter the US any longer. I am quite sad about that.. I hate demo-rats even more now..
It’s another way the left wants to divide and conquer by any means necessary. They splinter people according to various identity groups (w/their favorite being black vs white) and have now created another identity group: vaxxed and unvaxxed. And emotions are flying high. I don’t think that would be the case if the government in collusion with big business weren’t forcing this on people. But they are and it’s become another lightening rod issue. Sad, but true.
what you say is so true Sarah. You and I know our Alinsky’s and Gramsci’s. The lefties are in general immune- no pun intended- to sound reasoning and solid logica.
Replying to you gives me the chance to compliment Sundance for his fantastic and compasionate writing! Shame on me i did not say anything about that in the first place…
Lets hope the side effects of the experimental gene therapy are not that bad as some say they will be.. Like Sundance is saying. We got people here in the same foxhole who are vaxxed. I got loved ones who did take the jab.. I like most of you guys- vaxxed or not- ever since the day i discovered your little hide out some 2 years ago!
i wish us all the best life possible! We are the backbone of the West….
It will be interesting to hear what the vaxed in you office have to say about the CDC announcement that the vaccines don’t work and created the Delta variant.
The “Delta” is the vaccine….
You can’t reason with cultish people. It’s a cult.
Yes and it’s both Left and Right.
It may be the case they know NOTHING of the CDC announcement; Just as they may not know the info SD outlines here; Or Dr Cole’s presentation above; Or…; Or…; Or…
Imho, many know, in their hearts, they have been mislead; only now becoming aware of the dangers, not only to themselves, but possibly to others.
They are backed into the ultimate corner…
What is done is done.
They are going to have to come to grips with that…
I do not envy them.
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CDC won’t admit that.
It will be interesting to hear what the vaxxed have to say about getting bi-annual booster shots for the foreseeable future.
The Democrats are sort of at a point of no return. Like climate scientists they can’t walk back the rhetoric. Have to keep moving the goal posts.
One of the vaxxed told me last week:” i am going for my second jab this week, but i will stop after that one…”
right son…you do that..smart move. Dont want you to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different outcomes 🙂
They will all get sick from the injections and blame the well people for giving them Delta. And the ENEmedia will egg them on.
If the tenant at 1600 who hasn’t paid his rent mandates vax for entry to the US, he will have to close the southern border.
Sundance hit the nail on the head. All who took the vaccine will passionately defend their choice and accuse the unvaxxed of selfishly being willing to kill their family… which is effectively what my sister accused me of doing recently since I am not getting THIS vaccine. Too many weird, unreasonable behaviors by too many pushing this vaccine. I texted her the CDC stmt that the PCR test we have been using for 18 months doesn’t distinguish between covid and flu. Her responses became heated but also dumb and she is normally quite intelligent or she … used to be. I let it go. She was not persuadable. So many are not persuadable. They often don’t even know how to defend their position… or bother. They just dictate. No discussion. It’s very strange… and alarming.
The CDC could come out and say vaxxes don’t work at all but the jab will kill you, but those who took it are good people for willing to die for the cause and still…. the vaxxers would defend the vax and insult you.
You’re probably right. Most of those who took experimental injections were uninformed. They received no warnings or literature about the “experiment.” Many didn’t know it was even a trial.
Feelings are not rational.
Try to get someone to admit -even to themselves- that they were ignorant and they made an error in judgement, when they were lead to believe otherwise. You will get nowhere.
Anybody who accurately weighs the risk versus benefit for these risky injections will *not* want to be a test subject in the largest human experiment in history. Especially now that the real results are coming in fast.
Reminds me of TDS.
Hang tight. The fat lady hasn’t sung yet.
When this is all over, meaning the contentiousness has passed and the illnesses skyrocket, there will be widespread demand for all manner of employees just to keep operations solvent. That includes physicians who early/disability retire due to mental incapacitation.
<Hang tight. The fat lady hasn’t sung yet.>
Of course not…obesity is a high-risk category 🙂
Maybe this is a way to kill obese people. Remember Mooch’s Let’s Move $10 billion boondoggle? There was a huge backlash with her school lunches so now she has come up with this.
Maybe you could say that there would most likely be a counter suit because the CDC, NIH, etc. have confirmed that the vaxxed can spread rona to unvaxxed.
And spread Covid asymptomaticaly, correct?
As I recall, one of Fauci’s leaked emails pointed out that asymptomatic spread of Covid really wasn’t an issue. (needs verification)
If it is now, pushing the vaccine may have created a bunch of carriers who think they are essentially immune because they received both shots.
If the vaccine is a vaccine, the vaccinated in your office should not fear that they will get the disease from the unvaccinated. They are irrational.
Feelings are not rational.
My questions to employers who are mandating this gene therapy is this, if I have an adverse reaction or get sick down the road are you financially responsible?
OSHA floated that idea in March but then removed it from the regs under pressure from the administration.
Another corrupted government entity. OSHA used to protect workers from job hazards and discrimination.. Ha!
Right now they definitely are! But this will be like FEMA after a global disaster, times a few billion people. So good luck trying to collect.
The Dems most loyal voting bloc makes up the largest group of unvaccinated people in the country. What’s gonna happen when they demand and force Blacks to get this vaccine?
They won’t force the blacks. When the dust settles, survivors will find themselves in one of two categories: slave laborers or breeding stock. Blacks will go right back to the Dimmie plantation along with the rest.
Wait until that start happening to our unvaccinated, kids in school. Down we go from here…
My son is going to uni this season. Wants to become a lawyer. Doesnot believe in the Chinese Flu His friends dont get the jab dont believe this is different from a flu.. He/they wont take anything.
I guess we raised him to be a good patriot and conservative. That part did go well 🙂
It is good he/they won’t take the vaccine. But it helps if they are prepared with truth. “This virus looks and acts very much like the flu, but with one CAVEAT: Unlike the usual seasonal influenza, COVID-19 illness can become profoundly serious in unpredictable ways.
COVID-19 can very rapidly become critical illness for two primary reasons: this viruses triggers TWO responses in the body much worse than seasonal flu: an exaggerated inflammatory response causing damage to critical organs, and an exaggerated blood-clotting response leading to multiple blood clots in the lungs, brain, kidneys, intestines and other organs. Doctors have even found blood clots in large arteries like the aorta. More details at https://aapsonline.org/CovidPatientTreatmentGuide.pdf
Thanks for your information Paul! I will pas it on.
What if i say that my son, wife and i are not afraid? Sickness is part of life too. The chances of becoming very ill from China Flu are slim.
If need be? We will take some good old Trump advice and use HCQ or Invermectine.
Stock up now. Then you can live your life with no worries, because you will have done everything in your power to stay strong and healthy.
You left out the part that there are other safe, preventative measures that will keep 85 percent of high risk patients out of the hospital. Preventing the initial viral load is truly the key. Fake vaccinations just won’t cut it.
They may try to rob your son of his life’s dream but he has to hang tough. He may be barred from the campus, etc..
Think of the Jews during the Holocaust. That may soon be us. But we can fight through it with smart kids like your son and his friends.
Remember. These jabs are experimental. The joke is on them.
Sure, he could sue… but best case scenario in his favor, with damages based on the value of his loss of full capacity d/t sickness…?
My guess, judgement in his favor would cost you about 2 cents greater than your defense cost.
Well that leaves more people to join the state militias. They are the real people’s army.
https://www.biospace.com/article/researchers-discover-possible-explanations-between-covid-19-and-dementia-like-cognitive-issues/
Now, imagine if the inoculation is creating the exact same phenomenon due to the presence of s-protein…
Wow … like Sundance I am pro-vaccine & anti-COVID vaccine … but your scary link of “down the road heartache” reminds me of my suspicion on autism – I think ingredients were added to vaccines that caused autism & peanut allergies in SOME children … well-baby vaccines are necessary … the added ingredients have been removed … somebody knows, nobody will talk.
Have a cousin with peanut allergies. but her mom did pig out on peanut butter during pregnancy. cravings.
Also, autism hasn’t been decreasing, it has been increasing and still is. If vaccines are the cause, with all children being vaccinated, that is an odd pattern. It would be like they are gradually increasing the amount of problematic ingredients, not staying the same or decreasing or removing them.
Autism brings out one of the biggest emotional reactions from parents. Very hard to have rational discussions with your child involved.
And tptb know this. They continue to use our kids against us – see the latest bs from Apple screening our messages and photos. Chipping away at our rights – all for “the kids!”
Correction: you are PRO-vaccine.
It’s simply that this inoculation is not a vaccine but rather an investigative therapeutic.
I used to be OK with vaccines in general. Not anymore. The eugenicists have taken over medicine so the old rules are out the window.
I don’t know yet if I’m against the jabs. They are experimental. In 5-10 I will know how I feel about them. Right now no one knows what they do long term.
i used to be pro-vaccine. I now think the polio jab gave me hay-fever.. look at polio. Only a tiny minority of polio infected develop serious effects. Same story as with this Chinese flu..
Sundance said it right. Medicine is just another field of science/society infected with the marxisme parasite.
“like Sundance I am pro-vaccine & anti-COVID vaccine …”
Ad nauseam… “I’m not antivax but…”
I’ve been following this band for 20 years, i used to see them in dives with but 50 fans… for years…
And now, the only way to see a show is at la-la-palooza with a 10000 plus bunch of newbies that know nothing but all the words to their top 40 hit.
And the FDA approval for that is done or coming soon. That particular treatment.
Here’s some 4chan science on the S1 proteins:
https://postimg.cc/w3QL8mxn
Hm. This brings to mind the videos of the people on airplanes who are totally flipping out and the strange road rage situations. I envision them becoming more numerous and violent.
That is an incredibly scary article! I have a couple of friends who have had the virus AND others who have the vaccine (and one who has had BOTH) that have been complaining about significant cognitive issues that they are now experiencing.
The article does not say if there are currently any options/treatments that could be helpful for those who are dealing with C0v1d “brain fog”. Do any Treepers have any information of suggestions?
Dr. Bruce Patterson. Make of it what you will. I have not thoroughly vetted the topic, but from an interview in December and a skim of this article, appearances are that understanding and treatment are imminent.
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2021/07/21/patterson-cracked-long-covid/
That is extremely interesting!! Thank you for sharing it!!
Here another one: Dr. Fleming (the flemingmethod). Consult with your Doctor:
EVENT 2021 Part 15 – HOPE Including Treatment for vaccinated people
https://rumble.com/vj6mlr-event-2021-part-15.html
https://21a86421-c3e0-461b-83c2-cfe4628dfadc.filesusr.com/ugd/659775_044e1d4d61c44b8eb25934d5e5b24453.pdf
This is one of the most sensitively written but factually consistent articles I have ever read. No surprise that it is written by Sundance and originates here in the CTH.
I am forwarding this to several people who I know will appreciate both it and the linked video..
I whole-heartedly agree. It was like a balm on my soul to read something with softness, patience, and compassion. There is so much insanity swirling around and emotions are running so high, that this kind of perspective if often lost.
Sundance is a treasure. I was so pleased to read this and his, predictable, humane take on this!
It will be interesting to see if someone sues the FDA, if and when they approve this, without Clinical Trial records available? My son and his fiance and my daughter and her husband all got the JAB. It is very hard for me to tell them how they really screwed up. So it is not only people who won’t admit they made a mistake, what is even more frightening is that Governments around the world won’t admit they made a mistake.
They can try. But it would seem the emergency use authorizations were used to grease the skids to FDA approval as Sundance points out. That would be like a get out of jail free card since it allows for cutting corners.
Sundance never ceases to amaze.
Well yes, it is in stark contrast to two other articles these past weeks… particularily the false forced vax assertion and misguided pcr influenza/covid story….
My issue with this story is once again the general discussion that Sara above mentions, regarding keeping us divided.
From this article:
“Therefore, it is better to avoid the topic entirely (if possible) and retain your peace of mind.”
So give up on those that took the first round…?
These people are our family, friends, compatriots. They have been misguided… sheep, lost their way…
But let them stay lost..
For your peace of mind.
As difficult as it is, I’m not giving up on my family.
The “sensitivity” you speak of should be part of the strategy of guiding people to lovingly provide this info to those of our family amd friends that are captured by this sickness of the mind.
The “sensitivity” that Sundance described is that of knowing who you can approach versus who is locked into their mindset and will only escalate the argument into very unpleasant areas.
I haven’t given up on some members of my family who ignored the information I sent them all last year and still got the jab. One of them now is worried that he’s doomed himself and his daughter. He’s reading the information I’m sending him with a renewed interest. I hope it’s not too late.
I gave him link to David A. Wolfe’s website wherein he has published a method (“protocol“) he claims can help the body rid itself of the toxic spike proteins created by the mRNA agents in the jab. Wolfe is way out ahead of anyone else but he’s a very renowned natural healing expert so no surprise there.
But others are not responding to my emails since February so I’m not approaching them anymore. God help them.
I’m happy to hear of your success, even if limited, think the starfish….
I know you know the reference.
Your post and vigilance thus far proves my point.
There was no mention of the discretionary tactic you speak of, it was not delineated in the article, and that is my point.
There is a larger argument, both on the left AND the right going on for several years now, that there are irreconcilable differences, and a battle like mentality ensues.
I wholly disagree with this tactic, such alienation and division will lead to the negative outcomes we all wish to avoid.
As difficult as it is for many to swallow, we need to find common ground, use persuasive arguments, be physically present and let those that are programmed to see us negatively, to see reality, to see the compassion and integrity of our literal being. One person at a time if necessary.
That is hard work. But the powers that be KNOW THIS WORKS. That is essentially why we are being isolated durimng this transition.
Think Daryl Davis. That technique, in all its difficulty, is the best way forward.
This is a video the CDC directs you to provide comfort about the safety of the vaccines. “The vaccines met the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality needed to support emergency use authorization (EUA). Learn more about EUAs in this video.” You evaluate whether this spells out rigorous scientific standards.
(503) What is an EUA? – YouTube
emergency use authorization
Just like all the “rigorous vetting” that’s going on at the border and with the interpreters and their families being relocated
May God bless Sundance for imploring all to speak with those who took the jab with compassion. Some of us realize we had a choice. But for many the choice went beyond getting jabbed or not getting jabbed. It was a choice between readily being able to visit our spouse, our children, or our parents across an international border or not seeing them. Some choices are easier than others. Don’t ever forget that.
I agree whole-heartedly. Everyone’s health, life, and decision-making process is unique and more power to anyone who can assess all of those variables and come to a decision they feel is best for themselves. Covid has presented all of us with hard choices. No one wants to get the virus and wind up extremely ill. And neither do people want to get the vaccine and risk potential negative effects from that. Sometimes in life we’re presented with challenges where no choice is ideal, yet a choice must be made. When I worked in healthcare we often told families facing horrendous medical decisions that there is no clear choice or one that is obviously better than another. Just as you say: “Some choices are easier than others.”
I made the choice.
And I didn’t get vaxxed.
Yes. Thank you Niagara Frontier.
Compassion is key and should go both ways. Those that did not take the jab are being portrayed by the cabal as a danger to society. Some are buying in to that lie.
Fear has been the driving factor of this whole pandemic. Fear drive us to stay in doors (out of healthy sunshine.) Fear is why people wear masks. Fear is why businesses shuttered their doors while Walmart’s door stayed wide open.
The unvaccinated are not a threat to society and should not be viewed as dangerous.
Thank you for that. Those who chose to get jabbed must be evaluated in the context of their decision, and not simply judged as dumbasses who deserve the consequences of their decision. Sometimes I wish I could bottle up all the self-righteousness on the internet and sell it. I’d be the richest man on Earth.
Fear sells.
CNN
I appreciate your sentiments. However, you are preaching to the choir. I am not feeling “empathy” for those who would drag off our kids for kill shots without consent.
It’s coming.
Schools and businesses have become vaccination centers, and they are *not* taking no for an answer.
And I AM an Empath. It’s hardwired. But this is mass genocide and I ain’t playing.
I hear you. However, EVERY person I know who has submitted themselves to the monkey juice did so willingly with no other reason than to protect themselves. Very sad but true.
You and I obviously know different people.
I know 40 year olds who did it to protect their grandparents and
There’s nothing sad about wanting to protect yourself.
The people I know are old school, they listen to their doctor.
What is sad is the lies about covid..
I really don’t see freedom as a choice. And I don’t like your reasons. What is your line line in the sand for things you wouldn’t do under threat of losing those things you mentioned.
I do have compassion for vaxxed people. I simply have no compassion for your excuses.
Compassion, Gentleness, not wimpiness, for sure comes to mind as a healthy counterbalance.
I had a similar conversation to this one just yesterday over lunch with friends. Based on my age (77) and extenuating medical vulnerabilities, I decided to get vaccinated (Moderna). My friends all did the same thing.
There were two factors that heavily influenced my decision. The first is that, comparatively speaking, I have limited time-horizon so potential long-term effects are less acute for me than most other people. The second is that, given my medical background (heart patient), contracting Covid, being hospitalized and placed on a ventilator would probably be fatal ormore damaging than the illness itself.
If my circumstances were different I might very well have made a different decision. That said, I should also say that my decision to get vaccinated was did not rely on the pronouncements coming from our government public-health “experts”. Having worked with public-health bureaucrats in the past I knew that trying to rely on them during a crisis is a fool’s errand. Instead, I looked to more competent non-governmental epidemiologists like Dr. Scott Atlas and others.
My litmus test for trusting someone’s medical opinion re: Covid was whether they acknowledged the viability of Hydroxychloroquine. The history of government public-health bureaucrats during crisis situations is so rife with politization, bad planning, and embarrassing incompetence that I simply don’t trust any of those critters.
Sounds like you did a really smart risk/benefit analysis.
But that is the big issue. The most vulnerable of our population should have been told to take the Jab and for everyone else to just go about their lives and deal with it. Plus the fact that the fake news and the CDC made fun of Trump when he suggested HCQ and now it is widely known to be effective in treating this.
I made a similar calculation albeit different as I’m choosing not to take the jab
1) 36 years old
2) Avg 30 miles per week trail running – 5 days a week running for 38 minutes
3) No comorbidity except what happened in #4
4) Had myocarditis and pericarditis at 19 years old. Suffer mild tachycardia very occasionally – might happen a couple times a day one day then not again for 6 months. I’m proof that a determined person can live a healthy life after something like that
5) lack of long term studies, phase 3 clinical trials, or true informed consent. You can’t even see all ingredients as some are “proprietary”
6) all prior attempts at similar technological jabs in mammals has ended in catastrophic failure
7) the current shots will likely require boosters every 3-6 months for the rest of their life to at a minimum stave off ADE
BUT – I have no issue with anyone who decides to take it. I will admit, however, I am saddened that literally everyone else in my family has taken the shot if ADE rears it’s ugly, and often fatal, head.
Garrison, your employment of acceptance of Hydroxychloroquine as a measuring stick for medical / scientific credibility, IMO, is an important distinction. Early employment of Hdroxy, along with other meds that would ameliorate Covid illness would have reduced the entire scamdemic to that of a seasonal illness. I still have not received information of immune system fortification from the medical community.
More so that losing out the benefit of the medications that treat the illness, our entire medical culture was effectively robbed of practicing professionals ability to trade practice notes. What treatment works in a given situation with a specific patient is information that can only be obtained by practicing professionals talking to and treating patients.
I consider the loss of our [racticing medical community in treating with the best available medication a criminal scenario courtesy of our federal government and Big Pharma.
Sharon,
I’m replying down here to your comment above regarding the mark of the beast.
The Mark of the Beast is not some number or some mark in ones hand or forehead, No, the Mark of the Beast is ignorance of what Governments throughout history has done to its people!
“We learn from history that we do not learn from history”
Right at this time, I’m not concerned about what it is or is not. (And it comforts me that God is not waiting for us to come to a consensus about what it is or is not) I’m concerned about those who are wounded or made more fearful by someone asserting that the shot is the mark of the beast. And many comments saying exactly that have been posted over the months.
That’s why I created that Document for people to use and I’m right now updating it. I too am empathetical to the duress they are going through when it comes to job loss.
I want people to have the weapon of choice (law) on their side, I hope to have it finalized with the additions on Monday.
Yes.
It may not be the mark of the beast but it is surely a roadmap to it.
My son-in-law is being heavily pressured to get the jab or lose his job.
It is coming to where you will not be able to shop or go to restaurants without your vax card. Once FDA approves.
I think it is a precursor to the Mark of the Beast. If we don’t resist this, when we know: It was created for depopulation & to destroy economies.
I do not think the same people would create a so called vaccine to eliminate their biological weapons effectiveness.
If we can’t resist this, then think of the pressure applied to get the Mark of the Beast that is surely coming when the world’s economy has been destroyed.
I agree, Sharon.
Taking the mark will be a purposeful decision.
Allegiance to God…
Or not.
What is needed now is compassion.
The Mark of the Beast is not some number or some mark in ones hand or forehead,
God says otherwise. Should people believe you or God?
Revelation 13:16-18
I agree!
Yes Polly, it is the number of a man, the number of his name. No one who receives that mark can be saved. (Rev. 14: 9-11) “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb; and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever; and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
All who receive the mark will do it for economic reasons, or because they are scared of the consequences of rejecting the beast, or because they think the beast is really the real deal; they will be fully aware of what they are doing.
We have the technology today to institute controls such as described in the Book of Revelation (written circa A.D. 95) for the first time in human history. Much of this has only become available in the last five years or less.
This “designer flu” may be a dry run for mass control, but it isn’t a “mark of the beast” thing; not yet. No one who has received this vax is going to perish because they went for this vax. Now, they might be in trouble because they have refused Jesus’ offer of forgiveness and regeneration; but that’s for a different thread, I’d say.
How does it help for someone to admit that he or she was wrong about the jab AFTER taking it? That horse left the barn, jumped the fence, and is in the next county by now. So why even argue about whether someone was right or wrong to get the jab?
Instead, maybe say something like, “If you think you’re having adverse side effects because of the vaccine, Ivermectin has been shown to help.” And then drop it.
As he describes, the spike protein that is the part that the cell makes and causes the immune system to react is a toxin. Of itself, by itself. It’s not like previous vaccines where part of a virus or a weakened variant was supplied for the immune system to react to. This is a toxin on it’t own and the level of infection (and that’s another thing this affects all cells, not just the ones in your arm) is so widespread the immune system drops all other responses currently going on and manufactures a response to the spike.
This causes the immune system to start acting on cells that are not infected and it causes any viruses that are under control to start expanding and those diseases will start to present.
We are exhausting our immune system by forcing so much virus into the system so the immune system overreacts with plenty of side effects the duration of which we don’t know. How long will the spike get produced by our cells?
These are questions that should’ve been answered before inoculating anyone. Oh and one thing we know from their data, in rats there is a 16% infertility rate after the injection. The spike protein affects the ovaries and testes. This has been noted in other mRNA vaccines used in Africa (promoted by a Gates Foundation) that was also making some leaders suspicious that it was affecting fertility on purpose.
Thank you Sundance. We need to stick together in the face of what has transpired. Some of my family and friends chose to vaccinate. Some did not.
My hope, and sincere prayer, is that our amazing immune systems will beat and recover from the not-a-vaccine. Some may choose to do the boosters, and I pray that people will reconsider that choice, and give their immune systems a fighting chance against the damage they’ve been subjected to.
I’d assume the boosters would be the first opportunity to harm a vaccinated person.
The initial delivery would be a terrible tool to harm people if the desire was to market it to more people.
If I had gotten the JAB and am now informed about the serious dangers of it, I would be pumping my body up with Vitamin C and D and Zinc so that it will give the immune system a big helping hand.
I am not judging people who made a decision they thought was best for them at the time. They (and we) will have to live with that decision.
But now that we have so much more information, as is the norm when experiments are reviewed, studied and evaluated, they need to rethink their position. Because this “personal choice” has now become a mandate.
And that mandate is WRONG.
If they don’t stand up for themselves or for those who will be forced now to do something unethical and dangerous, then they have crossed a line.
I don’t judge people for taking what they thought was a vaccine. But just like the Germans looked away from genocide, we are now teetering at the brink of a major world event. It’s time to pay attention.
If people don’t educate themselves now, then they will be on the wrong side of history.
How about we ALL decide to help our fellow man live freely and autonomously?
I am curious what happens when healthy people get the booster? What about multiple boosters? Where is the study before we go down that path?
With the globelists running this scam, a study is called a spread sheet ?
Curious too. I assumed it’s more of the same – a stimulation of the protein spike. One wonders how long the immune system can be “stimulated” before it exhausts itself.
Unfortunately I don’t see President Trump making such a stand. The current stance is the Jabs lessen symptoms which I don’t think is provable but it’s what the Bureaucrats and MSM are currently pushing.
The MSM is the final problem. All of the proof is available on the net but the MSM has not leaked much of the truth. Remember the Democratic congressman who thanked President Trump for getting him treatment, maybe June 2020? And the President of Brazil?
This article based on a French newspaper’s reporting:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/07/15/media-should-do-a-mea-culpa-as-french-analysis-offers-a-stunning-observation-about-hydroxychloroquine-use-n643181
I never saw a US media mention of the article except from PJMedia. I thought the reported results were conclusive.
I’m against anything this regime is pushing I don’t care what it is. In my opinion they are incapable of doing anything good or profitable for the American people nor this country. They are acting in the best interest for no one but themselves. I no longer trust one word or deed from any organization who supports the current regime.
These people have one objective as discussed on this forum which is to control. It doesn’t matter what it involves if it is doable to achieve the objective they will unite sacrifice all in order to accomplish.
We’re at war are we not?
And I don’t feel like being all nice about it.
Matter of fact let’s get straight they are the ones trying push the vaccine.
I suppose I misunderstood Sundance, but the way I see they are the ones threatening to shut me down and out if I don’t get the shot. They may end huntin’ me down to inject that poison.
Yeah, I’m all for ignoring the conversation just leave me alone.
I gotta tell that little post you presented Sundance really griped me.
Your child will come home from school vaccinated one day.
This nightmare will occur for someone we know 100%.
It’s to demonstrate to the cattle, your calf is mine, submit…
I am right there with you, just link the video, and no explaining anything.
“I gotta tell that little post you presented Sundance really griped me.”
It isn’t a war until there are casualties/deaths on both sides. When that starts to happen we will be at war.
Nobody is gonna hunt you down and inject you.
But I do recall;
one day we were taking a break and an ice cream truck pulled up and the driver stepped out.
One of the guys jumped up and started running down the street in fear of his life.
We all looked at each other and somebody said he will be back. He is just afraid of white coats.
True story
Not everyone who is vaxxed is trying to get you to take the jab. Some people chose to do it due to their personal situations. Some people believed some or all of the fake assurances of efficacy and safety. As long as they aren’t down on you for not taking the jab, they should be left alone, not shamed or accused, just as the un-vaxxed want to be left alone with their decision .
I agree. But if they can be helped, should we try to educate them about D-Dimer blood tests and blood thinners? Or should we just leave them to tough this out on their own?
I don’t think they are getting the correct information that can possibly save their lives. And most doctors are behaving like deer in the headlights too.
I had someone who got the vaxx tell me today
I should get it so I don’t die!
These people are batshit crazy out of thier minds!
Agree. I am not against anyone who wants the jab to get it. It should not be forced on anyone and those not getting the jab should not be put in a position of getting the jab or losing their job or other freedoms. I had a conversation with a person who got the jab about the clinical trials being done away with. That did not phase him. Talked to him about people losing their job or not being able to get a job if they didn’t take the jab. He said they should lose their job and not be able to get one if they did not get the shot. Nothing phased him about what the government or anyone could do or would do if you did not get the jab. Talking to him reminded me of what it must have been like talking to a Jew hater under the Nazis regime.
Oldjunkfixer, that just means more Ivermectin for the non-crazy!????
There is no mention of any adverse effects, any ad for the flea pill I give my dog has a long list. Any sane person who does not find that troubling is not paying attention. These same people were having spasms over hydroxy, which is a drug approved long ago with a very good safety profile. There is too many sheeple in this country.
They haven’t done any studies long enough to find out what issues it may cause. That is the problem.
You just described the EUA vaccine.
.. so many ppl act like sheeple…seen to me too many even do not bother get opinion from ” other alternative media/doctors/virologists etc…..even if is it question life or death or permanent injury for rest of the life..there is no excuse…because in this country you can still find out …who is lying and who is not…. and than make up your mind …I heard i get vax..because i want get on…CRUISE…. what a stooooooooooooooopid answer or everyone around me get it..sooooo good luck.
With FDA approval, yank the immunity for manufacturers. Make them liable for their products.
This SHOULD happen. They have broken every condition for receiving an Emergency Use Authorization. They swore there were NO available treatments nor therapies. FALSE. They knew hydroxycholorquine was available. They broke the bioethic of informed consent. At this time they can NOT provide long term data on the effects of this experimental substance…and at least Pfizer knew this per the leaking of the legal documents that those who bought masses of the experimental vaccine had to sign. Those documents secured their zero liability in case of future adverse effects, which Pfizer admitted might be the case. So no one can give informed consent. These two aspects alone should render their zero legal liability null and void.
They absolved all liability for vaccine makers in 1987. These have even more restrictions (cannot even sue in vaccine court, which the gov pays). But vaccine makers do not have to pay damages in lawsuits.
Pres Trump stated a few months ago on Maria Bartiromo’s show that he is the father of the vaccine. Doesn’t sound like someone who is still in office being tricked by Fauci or Birx. Face it he backs this quackzine! Don’t put your trust in men but in God alone!
I’ve decided not to forward any info emails on the vax to those who have already been vaxed for the very reason Sundance has elaborated on
I’ve decided not to forward any info emails on the vax to those who have already been vaxed for the very reason Sundance has elaborated on
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Same here – what is done, is done. Most I care about that got jabbed did it out of fear/social pressure – I’m not adding to that toxic brew with more fear/anxiety over what could happen due to the jab itself. I would forward FLCCC’s info on “long COVID” treatment (I-Recover) if they expressed regret due to symptoms/adverse effects. The treatment seems to help with post-vaccine inflammatory syndromes:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-protocol/
Don’t agree with your reasoning… but i appreciate the link, thank you, i will put it to good use.
My thinking on this is something like:
If one of my kiddos, becomes a meth addict, steals my stereo…
Still gunna love them, still gunna help them
Then, they steal my wallet, run up my credit cards…
Not giving up on them.
Then steals my truck….
Ok. Now I’m p!ssed…
But not walking away.
IF these contrarian docs are correct, the added boosters will further damage those of our loved ones that were already misguided.
Not giving up on my family. My little sister will always be my “little sis.”
Their natural defense ( written into the gamed out plan) is first to think/say:
‘ calm down with these conspiracies’ as their mind protects itself…
No different then getting tested for hiv or deciding not to, after informed by a partner.
This nightmare was last resort.
A US military can Capture the banks loaning our country fake money. The citizens had to be kill switched, or put in booster to live status.
No doubt, those that are vaxed will psychologically justify their actions. But, if by some message or video they could be persuaded to not get additional jabs, wouldn’t that be useful?
Yes. These people need to snap out of it. What’s done is done. But we now have work to do. Are they in, or are they jamming up the works here?
That was my point stated a day or so ago – you said it better. I asked if Trump would apologize and come out publicly, in a big way, FOR CHOICE and FREEDOM. I got quite a few unkind responses, basically questioning my loyalty to Trump. I love Trump – best President in my life time. But, while he’s out there speaking and campaigning, he needs to help us stand up to the medical tyranny we are being subjected to. No one should lose their job over vaccination “status” – it’s happening all over the country. No one should be told they can’t buy or sell, or participate in normal life, due to vaccination status.
President Trump – we love you and need your help!
If reasonable, educated voices were not being silenced, then those people who have been vaccinated would demand that our CDC, NIH, etc. find a way to mitigate the damage that was done by the experiment, and to develop a therapeutic course of action to deal with the detrimental effects.
But with much of our population misinformed, or often averse to being informed, the message gets out only sporadically.
I’m sorry there does not seem to be a way to help them. I suppose that our leaders will continue to channel the understandable anger of the vaccinated toward people who decline the vaccination.
The people who have been vaxxed would seem to be up the creek without a paddle. Nobody will help or even tell them the truth. If you know anyone who has had the jab, tell them to talk to their doctor and try to get a D-dimer test done. It will show if there has been any clotting, even microscopic clotting. From there the doctor can prescribe the appropriate medicines to counteract the clotting and possibly to help eliminate the spike proteins themselves. The test is the ONLY way to tell; you won’t have any symptoms when the clotting first starts.
Ideally, everybody would be tested after they get the jab and doctors would have a standard protocol to follow. If you do have to get the “vaccine”, try to get it at your doctor’s office, not at a drug store.
As for other damage the spike proteins can do, you just have to be very self-aware and watch for even minor symptoms. If you even suspect something may be wrong, get to your doctor to find out.
Sadly, I agree that this is topic that I’m not willing to discuss with those already jabbed. No win.
I have asked one of them that I cared about, to research the topic of mitigating any negative effects, as that hasn’t been a topic that I’ve explored (lacked relevance).
What a mess. I’m still having a hard time believing that so many trusted their very lives to this corrupt system.
FLCCC’s I-Recover program …. appears to help with post-vaccine inflammatory syndromes
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-protocol/
We are just now learning how corrupt the system is.
We all were brought up to trust our doctors.
Some of us don’t put that high a value on our lives. Im not special, I’m not making history or saving the world. If the vaccine kills me – well, I was gonna die anyway wasn’t I? Maybe it’s 25 years early, but this world ain’t exactly paradise. Ive had my fun, now it seems like it’s just going to be “how much suffering can I mitigate” as I get older. Meh.
Yes. Who knew we had so many martyrs willing to donate their bodies to science?
Hopefully, this will help you to understand others, my personnel decision was based on the alleged best information available at the time. My personnel belief is that God created me and knows me inside and out. God in his mercy has cleaned up more messy decisions (what was I thinking) but did it anyway type of decision and His mercy made my bad into good. I am fearfully and wonderfully made by his power. God is good all the by the time.
For some people, I always knew they would buy the hype. There are a few very good friends that I was disappointed that they just ignored their own mistrust of the government and Fauci and his minions in the press and went ahead and took it without further thought or investigation.
This heavily vaccinated group doesn’t have a care in the world.
Colonialism isn’t that bad when you’re at the top of the food chain, huh Barry?
Did I mention theres a video of Hunter Biden literally smoking crack going around and not one word from the media?
Choose wisely my friends.
Long covid/shot mechanism, treatment discussion RIGHT HERE–>
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2021/07/21/patterson-cracked-long-covid/
Thanks! There are some good Doctors out there doing yeomen work on therapeutics not just giving the experimental mRNA drug mislabeled a “vaccine”!
Spread the info far and wide. It took ten minutes of focused searching to rediscover the link to Patterson. It is NOT front and center in the universe of information, amazingly so.
The people pushing this jab on us are the same people out to get us. The same ones persecuting political opposition.
A big reason not to get the jab. Never trust them. EVER.
I got the vax. All my adult family got the vax. If I had it to do over again, I might not. But it doesn’t work that way, and I don’t waste energy worrying about water already over the dam. So if we’re screwed, we’re screwed. Too late now.
However, I learned many decades ago to NOT automatically trust doctors. As a group they are no better than the rest of us at collecting and analyzing data.
Some doctors are brilliant diagnosticians. Others are mindless automatons who memorized their way through medical school and residencies and never had an original or creative thought in their lives. Still others are raging crackpots one step removed from barking at the moon. And others are just mercenary gatekeepers for the insurance companies, there to keep treatments on the cheap. And virtually all of them now practice factory medicine, moving patients through the line at a brisk and orderly pace and God help you if you suffer from anything the least bit out of the ordinary because there is NO time for you.
Over the years I have encountered literally all of them, up close and in person. The trick is identifying who is in front of you in that white coat, because relying on the wrong doctor can kill you. I’m still here.
That all said, I don’t care if this guy came out of Mayo. He betrays his political bias right out of the gate by snarking about masks. So, Mr. Smartypants Mayo doc, I guess the surgeons at Mayo now perform ALL their open heart surgeries bare-faced, right? I’m afraid it was the boots that clinched it for me.
We are ALL our own first responders. And we are also our own best experts. Use the gray matter God gave you. Use your own judgment. Your life depends upon it.
Well said. I think your description of doctors and how medicine is practiced these days is spot on. And it will only get worse as the bar to get into medical school lowers and every square inch of medicine becomes corporatized. As for the doc in the video, I also reserve some skepticism when someone discounts masks outright. I think masks have become yet another lightening rod point that has splintered people and G-d forbid any truth-might-be-somewhere-in-the-middle be acknowledged. Like you, I have also felt that masks are traditionally used in the operating room for good reason. They are used in many other health care situations, as well, such as around those with compromosied immune systems. They have their place. And as I’ve noted elsewhere on some other threads, I have felt all along, and still feel, that having no access to N95’s from the get go with this virus left the American people with nothing to protect themselves.
In any case, more power to you for not looking back. Life is complicated and hindsight is always 20/20. Sometimes we would have done it all the same, sometimes not. But there’s no reverse button and life goes on.
There are many things we face medical where the disease can kill us, but so can the cure. At some point, we make a choice and go with it, come what may.
I wish you good health.
Thank you, Sarah, and good health to you as well. Stay vigilant. Take a peek at Garrison Hall’s comment above. Lots of common sense on this board.
Aren’t the masks in operating rooms to protect against bacterial infection (not viral infection)?
It’s to protect against all of it: viral, bacterial, and fungal. Masks are just one part of a very complex set of steps to reduce risk of cross contamination via droplets from the surgeons upper respiratory system contaminating the field.
The initial shots are for making a platform for future delivery. The components may impact you but you can buffer it.
Just wait on boosters, and ask others to wait.
A scary game of chicken. I’d bet my life PDJT comments on boosters as soon as it’s saturated in the population’s minds.
Yeah, I’m skeptical of the boosters. Before I even consider a booster I will go get an antibodies test, $38 at the pharmacy, results in half an hour. Could have already had it and not known it and so not need any booster, at least that’s how I reason it. Might get the test anyway just for giggles.
If you decide to get an antibody test, make sure you get a good one. Early on, there were several out there but I had the impression most, if not all, were very unreliable. I think there are some very good ones now (w/something like 98% accuracy), but make sure if you decide to get tested that you vet the test so you can feel confident the results won’t be garbage in, garbage out.
If you’re a cancer researcher and want to use mrna technology in cancer trials, one good way to break the moratorium on use in humans is to get it used under emergency conditions where barriers to safety are removed due to the emergency.
If/when results are promising “ENOUGH”, then there may be less reluctance when used for cancer. After all, if cancer can be nearly cured with such therapy, do you not think that a relatively high side effect/lethality rate will be tolerated?
i agree.
there may ultimately be a motive to push this through, to introduce this product to the human population.
it may have GREAT uses. but its as dangerous as having REAL MAGICIANS on EARTH.
everything they talk of, can be done in a kitchen. EVERY delivery system they introduce to a body , can be isolated and reused by some rogue kitchen biotech cooker (or other country).
The pathogenic spike proteins in the mRNA injections are cancer CAUSING. Are you saying they want to cause cancer so they can later experiment on a cure? Aren’t there enough cancer patients in the world for them to study already?
Operating room environment is way different than the general public wearing the same mask all day long. FTA:
“Unlike the public wearing masks in the community, surgeons work in sterile surgical suites equipped with heavy duty air exchange systems that maintain positive pressures, exchange and filter the room air at a very high level, and increase the oxygen content of the room air. These conditions limit the negative effects of masks on the surgeon and operating room staff. And yet despite these extreme climate control conditions, clinical studies demonstrate the negative effects (lowering arterial oxygen and carbon dioxide re-breathing) of surgical masks on surgeon physiology and performance.”
https://cnsnews.com/commentary/dr-jim-meehan/surgeon-destroys-myth-if-masks-dont-work-why-do-surgeons-wear-them
Food handlers wear hair and beard nets. Surgeons wear surgical masks.
Baseball players, welders, postal workers, and pedestrians must wear surgical masks, too? Nonsense.
Masks reduce spittle–nothing more, nothing less. If spittle is what you must minimize, then wear when appropriate. But, for extended duration the mask does practically nothing for anyone and only traps exhalant particles for subsequent reinhalation X the duration of the utility of the mask…meaning, you use the same mask for days, you invite festered matter into your lungs. Sure, you’re not supposed to, but we see it everywhere: the masks are long-used, handled haphazardly, and generally bad news from a cleanliness standpoint. And, they do nothing for filtering below their mesh density, which is where they need to be for viral transmission concerns.
Your proxy method of BS detection is not likely to work here based upon your screening criteria. Some of the wickedest-smart professionals I have known are loose-lipped in their heartfelt feelings (but highly random when compared to social norms; i.e., not good proxies for smoking out) and rather eccentric in a variety of ways. It’s funny actually. It’s as though there is some subtle correlation of self confidence and quirkiness; perfectly dressed/mannered people who fit in perfectly tend to fit perfectly in displaying proper ideology as well.
The mask issue with protecting against a virus and performing surgery are comparing apples to oranges. Masks do very little in the way of protecting people from getting Covid-19. There is plenty of research out there indicating so.
It’s the DELTA VARIANT! RUN FOR THE HILLS!
Q: how do you know it’s the “Delta” variant?
a: Because the experts say it is.
Q: Is there a test that can tell the “Delta” variant from just plain jane COVID?
a: no, the experts say……
Yeah….”the experts”…..
How come all the people getting sick from the “Delta” variant are VAXED?
Still want the shot?
Please remember… these are ALL abortion tainted , either through testing or actual aborted fetal cell line inclusion.
I have watched many doctors discussing the effects of the Mrna Gene Therapy shot, including Dr. Tenpenny, but Dr. Cole explained it in such a way that made it crystal clear to me. Different teachers have different ways of teaching and sometimes somethings don’t quite click until a certain explanation comes along. This was it for me. Thank you, Sundance for making this available.
What made it click for me was learning that a vaccine can not get FDA approved if there is a cure.
That is why Ivermectin & Other cures are being shut down. Drs are fearful to offer it.
CLEARLY, they don’t want us to have the cure. They want to mandate their vaccine….why? Money?
Depopulation?
And Faucci takes heavy doses of vit D, yet the people are never told to do so???
I go back to motives & the purpose of the Chicom virus. I will resist.
Just think. One White House press conference with real journalists would save us from this evil agenda. For this reason the MSM activists and propagandists might deserve an even higher level of punishment for their sins than the pols and institutions, however, that’s a very close call.
” However, it is wise to consider the underlying psychology of a person who has been vaccinated, before engaging in an argument. You may end up being entirely correct in your position; however, an intense or combative argument? At what cost?”
Telling the truth always has a cost, but is still the right thing to do. And the greater the cost, the more important it likely is to tell the truth.
Maybe, but IMO the old saying. Is it True, Necessary or Kind is often the best way to go.
My ego wants to be right, so Intrue to avoid arguments ( not always successfully) because I am intense and combative.
Wise mentors many decades ago suggested that even though highly unlikely. The individual one was arguing with just might be right.
So say that to them as things are getting heated.
“You just might be right” often saves the day.
With little or no loss of face.
If truth takes a back seat, we are pre-enlightenment, back in the Dark Ages.
Agree, we need to have the integrity to not give up on our loved ones, despite the vitriol potentially against us.
“I am an anti-global-all-at-once-experimental-vaxxer. “
“It is an objective, indisputable fact: never in the history of the world has there been a global push to administer an experimental medicine to all of humanity, billions of us, at the same time.
Frankly, the hubris required for carrying out this plan, and for taking the lead in propagandizing the world to carry it out, is jaw-dropping and scary to me. If a world leader is willing to take such gambles with all of humanity, what else are they prepared to do?”
https://larrysanger.org/2021/08/the-astonishing-hubris-of-a-global-experimental-vaccine/
Larry Sanger
co-founder Wikipedia
Not all people that got the vax have crossed a Rubicon or become a zealot or something. Some may have gotten it when it seemed like a reasonable thing to do, trying to weigh incomplete information about the risks of each decision.
Maybe we should just not concern ourselves with others’ vax status or if they feel it is very important to get vaxed or are strongly against it. If someone presses you on it, I suppose you can say that you identify as fully vaccinated and leave it at that regardless of if you are or not.
I just say I have something MUCH BETTER then any vaxx
It’s called Natural Immunity
That silly little thing called science
Is what I follow
How many Americans took the vaccine because Fauci said it was 100% safe and effective?
And now he won’t force his on employees at the CDC to take the vaccine.
I wonder why.
IMO this is justification for a massive class action lawsuit where We the People get all of Fauci’s communications via discovery.
I can only imagine who else might be in those communication strings and what things they discussed.
Who in there right mind would allow our brave fighting men and women in the military to be injected with this potential toxin as Dr. Cole claims but then doesn’t require it for the CDC employees.
Dear American people you are being completely conned.
Smokers inherit the world:
https://postimg.cc/w3QL8mxn
What is this? Can’t read it.
I’ll ask again…..
Does anyone remember hearing about the mass extinction of people in our homeless population……???? Surely they’ve had a mass die-off because of their unsanitary lifestyles and unhealthy life choices of cigarettes, drugs, and alcohol…..
Or have they been just fine….????
I haven’t heard of any places where there are bodies lying all over the streets.
Didn’t stop LAPD from aiming rifles at Venice Beach homeless recently. Some were probably blessedly unaware.
No mass die-offs, they are thriving living in their own filth, which may result in more robust immune systems than the rest of us, with our immune systems atrophied from living in our sterilized homes and work places.
In Nashville, TN the mayor of that city ordered the homeless rounded up and incarcerated.
If you do not work at a shelter for the homeless, how do you know if they are doing okay, or have been “disappeared”. No way to know
I think Sundance is right that people develop an emotional reaction over the shot. But it is possible to talk rationally and come to regret the decision to get the shot. Hopefully, it won’t take suffering like Clapton did to change minds.
People were sold a false bill of goods. And placed in an atmosphere of fear and compulsion and promised the shot would end that atmosphere.
They changed the definition of vaccine to include this Pfizer or Moderna mRNA and the J&J DNA therapies as vaccines.
Then they told us it would protect us but any protection it provided is ending.
And they are ramping up yet more fear and compulsion.
And the vaccine to ‘help’ us is proven to do some harm. And possibly will do much more harm in the long run.
These things can be discussed calmly and rationally. But once one triggers an irrational response, it does no good.
So don’t give up hope. But don’t go in half cocked and prepare first with things like this doctor’s sane presentation. And be ready to apologize for bringing up such a worrisome topic.
I haven’t gotten the vax.. I am waiting to see about Novavax if it is approved.. I am reading about it trying to see how it is different from mRNA. It is still a two shot deal. My family know I don;t want the shot. they dont; really say much..they accept that fact. (at least for now.. Should my son get engaged and get married I could then see it being a problem. or if my nieces get married who live out of state that might also be a problem) but all my family both hubby and mine, except me and younger son are vaxxed. mostly did it to get back to normal or to travel..Younger son may be forced to choose with his job although he says he won;t. he works in a store..
I just got ivermectin so I feel a little better should I get COVID I have all the meds my doctor uses to treat COVId plus Ivermectin should I get bad and need it..
But I get a bit concerned with the crazy talk from the media an other about saying people who don;t get vaxxed shouldn’t get health insurance.. or get SS or any of that. I don;t care if I can;t eat in restaurnat I haven’t for the past 18 months don;t miss it. i can do out.. I don;t care If I can;t go to a show , a movie or sporting event or concert. I havent; really been to any for a long time so that doesn;t bother me either.
I jsut do wonder how far they will take it..
If my health care or food access is cut is when the Rubicon is crossed for me
I rely on it to stay alive and I would have to move
To get it
Or I become something I won’t mention Here.
I’m ready for anything and rule nothing out
I was born for this
I feel the outcome of this mess
Will have the China military patrolling our streets
Jenevive, in studying Noravax, I believe it has spike proteins which are the problem according to Dr Cole. The thing that occurs to me is this criminal cabal will not let any vaccine come to market that does not accomplish their objective which seems to be a mass depopulation event.
The lefties all still live under the illusion that getting back to normal means dining out, movies, sports events and concerts to name a few, and are important to all of us and we can’t live without them.
In the last almost two years of this scam, my wife and I went where we needed to or wanted to.
But we had cut off almost all of hollyweird for over twenty years prior. Sports, live music for the most part went woke.We quit them. We finally have cut Directv and got a Roku.
I don’t fakebook, the wife says she’s about ready to quit it.
Don’t feed them. Don’t engage them. Just politely smile, turn and walk away. Don’t give them the attention they so crave to justify their lives.
Hi Jenevive…. 2 data points which greatly boosted my confidence in Ivermectin. 1) Dr Malone is taking it for his own long covid symptoms. 2) In the video below, Dr Malone conveys recent new comments from Fauci on the need to pivot to early therapies. Malone explains limitations in Fauci’s thinking and provides further info on Ivermectin.
https://rumble.com/vku0vh-the-great-pivot-prediction-coming-to-fruition.html
Novovax, while not an mRNA vax, injects the spike protein, worth searching and considering in your decision.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2026920. Best of luck.
Does the J&J vaccine have the same spike mobility problem as the mRNA vaccines?
I’m so mad at myself that I let people whose opinions I trusted influence my decision to get the Jab. My Gut was screaming NO! I would not do it again. And, I’ve heard nor read of anyway to counter the poison in my body. Who knows what I will be dealing with, any day now.
Not sure I would stress over it… Unless you are very young.. Then I would panic.. I think both sides are wrong on this.. The truth lies somewhere in the middle
Voice of sanity.
Baby aspirin, ivermectin, dandelion extract.
America frontline doctors has info on what to take to counter the spike proteins if you get the shot.
I would think if certain protocols combat the actual virus and spike protiens it would do the same for the
vax spike protiens..But if you go to thier site and read about it they explain the protocol to counter the shots..
Another treeper recommended this link:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-protocol/
Good luck…
Now you how about this out of the CDC for total hypocrisy.
our military men and women must get the shot but Fauci’s CDC men and women don’t.
I think this is going to piss off some people.
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CDC nor requiring their employees to get vaccinated.
Wow. Got any links?
I forgot to proof this post and it came out totally discombobulated so I reposted below with a link.
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Facts: the S1 spike protein is by itself cytotoxic as proved by multiple studies; all of the vaccines in use in the US induce heathy cells to produce the SARS-CoV-2 protein spike which includes the S1 spike protein on the tip of that spike; efforts were made so that S1 protein would not break off from the spike, but it still does, so it flows throughout the body (and that’s a clue that they knew it was toxic); the vaccines do not stay in the arm muscle and adjacent lymph nodes, but spread throughout the body inducing healthy cells to produce the spike, cells which are then attacked by the developing immune reaction; the cytotoxic S1 spike protein can be found in the blood post-vaccination for as much as 14 days in some, just a few days in others.
Fact: For some unknown reason(s), unknown because they aren’t looking, most people amazingly have only mild reactions to all of that. Everyone I know who got both doses only experienced mild fatigue at most.
Fact: Some people have extremely bad and even fatal reactions. Why? As I’ve said, no one knows. In the event of an actual COVID-19 infection where a much larger amount of the S1 spike protein would be produced by an actual infection by the virus, would those same people who have had bad reactions to the vaccines have had an extremely serious reaction to an actual infection? No one knows.
I watched a televised interview with the scientist primarily responsible for the creation of the Pfizer vaccine, and he readily acknowledged that the deleterious health effects people have reported who’ve been vaccinated are Real!
Also, a senior and highly regarded physician I know tells me our eventual outcome vs this Covid will be determined by the on-going development of successful Treatments for such viruses.
Personally, I believe it will be with us at least until we achieve some realistic level of “herd immunity.”
Ask the physician how the aids vaccine is coming along.
Incidentally, a friend of mine (78) who has serious heart-related health issues was Pfizer vaxxed months ago, contracted Covid-D recently. After 3 days he was hospitalized for 48 hours and given a Remdesivir drip (but not put on a ventilator, which unrelated to Covid he had been previously). He’s fully recovered now, so one may wish to consider his outcome for what it may be worth to them.
Hunter Biden?
The crack head in the flesh.
FTA – “I find it interesting that as Dr. Souza states that we need more long term randomized, controlled studies regarding treatments while touting a vaccine that does not have long term randomized, controlled studies.”
^^^THIS^^^ encapsulates in one sentence the whole issue that has SO many of us so concerned about these irreversible injections!
I am going to remember this line and use it whenever anyone challenges me on my decision to trust my own natural immune system and a regimen of vitamins to prevent infection AND my decision to try off-label “therapeutics” that have been in use for DECADES if I do get sick!
A few thoughts:
1). I have family members who have been vaccinated and done it based on the information they had at the time. Prior to them getting vaccinated, I would send them my concerns and any info I would find. Now I no longer send them anything like the above video as it’s too late to do anything and I don’t want them to worry.
I just say my prayers and hope the worst case doesn’t happen to them.
2). I saw an interview with Dr. Peter McCollugh and he brought up the point that it was very concerning, given how long we’ve been in the pandemic, that there is no agreed upon procedure or therapeutics for treating COVID. He said that was unheard of. Everything stopped to push the vaccine.
3) Finally, Sundance wrote:
“… Political ideology, as the determining factor of institutional behavior, has infected almost every facet of modern life…”
And it made me think that maybe it’s because so many people have turned away from God and religion that they’ve turned to political ideology to fill the void in their life. Just a thought.
I get what you are saying about no longer wanting to send information to them, but with these upcoming boosters now… that changes things!
Also if those same people may be deciding for their children.
“there is no agreed upon procedure or therapeutics for treating COVID”
There’s not even a push to have people shore up their immune system through supplements and a healthier diet and lifestyle.
3) Finally, Sundance wrote:
“… Political ideology, as the determining factor of institutional behavior, has infected almost every facet of modern life…”
Which shows that people are a lot more like cattle than they would like to think.
Man is religious by nature. Either we worship God consciously, or we will end up worshiping something else unconsciously. I believe that people who think they are atheists are indeed treating political ideology as a religion.
My son is a brilliant electrical engineer also a liberal progressive Dem.
I love him dearly as I do my other adult children who are Dems.
My son and his family were vaccinated early on and he has never stopped bugging me to get the shot.
Today we had another knock down, dragged out fight on the phone after he begged me to get the shot because he thinks I am going to get the Wu Flu and die.
I told him about my medical reasons for not getting the jab as well as my political reasons which he debunked as not being important.
I said that I am a helluva lot more concerned about my liberty, freedom and civil rights at the moment than I am about dying from Fauci CCP Flu.
I said there is a good chance I may be forced to get this medical treatment either physically or economically because I am not going to do it voluntarily.
There is no reasoning with these people, even in my case with my beloved son.
He does not understand that we who refuse the shot are freedom fighters for him and his children.
Dont feel bad, At least hes a brilliant Electrical Engineer
That’s unnecessary sarcasm and piling on, “Free Speech”, to a father who’s concerned for his son and for his own future.
Please try not to be so sensitive. Please
I feel for you. Families are being torn apart by Democommunism on many levels. It’s so sad, there are many like your son. In effect, they are saying is it’s worth, even in their low risk demographic, losing their liberty, freedom and civil rights to not catch the flu, which is not even the case anymore since the vaccinated can catch it.
My older son is bugging my younger son to take especially saying no way should he quit his job over a vax..I told older son do you want to be responsible or feel bad if something happens to your brother cuz you told him to get the shot? My son said dad and I had the shot we didn;t have any bad reaction.. I said everyone is different.. I intend to use the same argument with older son should this cause a problem if he gets married.. I will say do you want to be responsible of feel bad if I have a bad reaction or die cuz you blackmailed me to have the shot.. I am not above guilting them if they decide to try and blackmail, coercer or shame me or younger son..
When it comes to private medical issues,
that is a matter for individual private consultation with a doctor – and / or obtaining a second opinion (or a third, if need be).
p.s.
And there are doctors that provide advice and proactive prescription(s) combined with over-the-counter vitamins/mineral. [ an increasing number are not referencing a clot shot / falsie non-vaccine … ]
A list of multi-state doctors has been provided on this web site, at other times, by others.
Some doctors will provide a letter to show an employer – without disclosing private patient / doctor information. (if need be, a letter to deter a case of employer (non-doctor) vax pressure). The Dr. letter has occurred. (and the weekly testing is waived…which makes sense since the pcr test is inaccurate.)
A good option to consider for those scouts that work to ‘always be prepared’, just in case.
Other non-doctors, people may enjoy playing doctor…but…what do they really know?
[ and yes, some doctors are joined at the hip with the cdc or who (or is that the ccp) …so, even not all doctors are the same…]
Science based Dr. Malone and Dr. Cole…etc. are growing in numbers…and becoming more outspoken, over time…
to counter the political scientism (non science)… : )
imho
My heart breaks for you.
I applaud you for standing strong against your adult children. Too many I know were convinced by their
kids to be injected. I don’t understand that concept. Ha. Do we really give in to our adult kids just because they demand it?
They don’t have the years we do and we’d be wise to follow our own counsel, not theirs.
so, hang tough. They may need you healthy, especially the grandkids.
peace and love to you and yours.
Thank you very much for your understanding post.
My son has tried every approach to get me to take the jab including guilt.
He even said “if you love us you will get the vaccine.”
All you can do is stay strong, pray, and continue to express your love and compassion to him.
My sister stated that if her daughter and grandchildren get the shot, she may as well, because they
are everything to her. I understand that sentiment, but we are accountable for our own choices.
I told her I would never do it because I can’t lie to myself. (And for me, it is a God thing, as well)
But, I don’t do pharmaceuticals, or flu shots, so why would I trust this mess.
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
So there may be hope for your son yet as maybe he will recover from herd thinking.
Thank you. I pray that may be so for the rest of my family as well.
The truth is out, written in black and white and presented in video. There are none so blind as those who have eyes to see but refuse to look.
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/defining-away-vaccine-safety-signals
Math academic – so can be hard to get through is you’re math depth is limited. But reader will still pick up that the VAERS system and therefore the CDC’s authorization process is not sound. RFK Jr. has said this for decades – no one listened.
The millions who have been bamboozled and coerced into getting the vax are, for the most part, the victims.
But the censorship, propaganda, and groupthink have turned many of them into deranged zealots, too.
So, we can feel sympathy for them, and yet also understand that many of them are now also part of the problem, brainwashed into zombies attacking the unvaxxed.
This is indeed a coordinated global plan being executed. The fingerprints of the cabal are all over it. I’d like to think otherwise, but then I see things like the other nations syncing their execution too.
Once again I ask you, what is a vaccine? And does the COVID-19 infusion qualify as a vaccine? In addition what is the difference between the current COVID-19 and the various strains of influenza.
So is it that the almighty medical professionals are merely hirelings doing the bidding for corporate pharma and deep state government.
Mandates are creating the division in society.
There are plenty of terrible or good decisions that could be made by each of us everyday.
By virtue of freedom, the ability choose wisely or not, we are able learn, to grow, to change.
Now we find ourselves, in what was once the most extradinary free country on earth, Yearning to be Free!
God and our founding fathers had it right.
Praying for the restoration of: The United States of America, One Nation Under God.???