There are numerous laser guided measuring devices located in and around the remaining structure of the collapsed condominiums in Surfside, Florida. Overnight those devices detected significant movement in the remaining building as well as large cracks developing in the underground garage area.
As a result rescue and recovery workers were pulled from the building as engineers contemplate how to move forward.
(Herald) […] Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Chief Alan Cominsky confirmed the development during a press briefing on Thursday morning. The agonizing decision, he said, was made just after 2 a.m. Cominsky described the threat of a large concrete column hanging over a subterranean parking area, which has moved six to 12 inches. He added that crews were also alerted to widening cracks and “slight movement” in a concrete slab on the southern side of the building.
High-tech monitors aimed at the tenuous pile of debris were responsible for making rescue workers aware of the dangerous shifts. Moments later, they were forced to lower cranes and pull back crews under the darkness of the early morning. (link)
Before the efforts were suspended the recovery workers had pulled more bodies from the rubble. 18 bodies have now been recovered and 145 people remain missing. These unfortunate developments occur as the installed occupant of the White House arrived to thank first-responders and rescue workers for their efforts.
Biden met with around 50 uniformed first responders in a hotel ballroom. “I just wanted to come down and say thanks,” he said, as his monitor Jill Biden stood closely behind him in case her dementia patient started to lose more marbles. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis told the visiting entourage “We thank you for the support, there’s been no bureaucracy. What we need now is we need a little bit of luck, a little bit of prayer.”
The instability of the rescue site provided serendipitous cover for the DC crowd to avoid going to the horrific site of the building collapse. FEMA personnel, The Red Cross, people with the State of Emergency Response Team, and teams from Israel and Mexico are on-site helping with rescue efforts.
Additionally, Tropical Storm Elsa is anticipated to move close to the South Florida area this weekend and early next week [NHC SITE]. In addition to the instability of the rescue site, the weather has been an ongoing battle.
So sad. ☹️ Prayers for the families. ??
Heartbreaking. Especially considering that it’s possible, albeit unlikely, to pull people out alive from those situations after for 7, 10, 14 days.
I always think of the guy who survived I think 9 days trapped under a collapsed building after an earthquake in Tehran. He drank his own urine to survive.
Ever since then I’ve wondered: how do you know when it’s time to make that decision to recycle your own pee? I’d assume that most people would put that off until it’s too late to help, and maybe this guy survived because he was the only one to do it right away.
We started drinking our pee the moment they stole the election.
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You people crack me up!
LOL!
LOL
Training. After drinking wormy rice paddy water laced with human and water buff dung with the effervescence of water purification tablets drinking urine is like -well the champagne of urine. Or something.
Yeah.. when we came to the US, we didn’t really speak much English. So, we were at a supermarket and we read “The Champagne of Beers” on a six pack of Miller.
We thought, “Oh wow, the Americans are brilliant, putting champagne in little single serving bottles“… so my mom bought a six pack.
When we got home, for dinner, we popped a bottle each (Yeah, so what? In the old country kids drink) and took a taste.
Pfft… Uuggh, not only it wasn’t champagne, but it was terrible beer.
I suppose pee might taste better than that.
Miller? Pop open a Schlitz and thank me later.
Miller High Life is awesome. “If you’ve got the time, we’ve got the beer…Miller beer” The long neck bottles make all the difference. Beer tastes better in long neck bottles. LOL.
I always liked Miller Draft, but it, like most formerly popular beers, is nowhere to be seen.
Urine is sterile unless you have a bladder infection.
Prayers for the Families
While you’re down there, why don’t you swing over and visit the border since your VP is a joke of an executive. You are, too, but at least your dementia will make for some humorous sound bites. ?
He’s not down HERE (RGV) he’s over THERE (MIA).
That building is like a “Jenga” tower. Where do you start and what do you remove without dropping the whole thing.
This is pretty spooky. Lady called her brother right after the collapse, she was on the 9th floor. Also shows the water in the parking garage three years earlier.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/new-video-shows-extensive-concrete-damage-inside-champlain-towers-parking-garage/
A man’s house which is built on a foundation of rock will endure, but a man’s house which is built on a foundation of sand will be destroyed.
So true.
Rebar and salt water does weird things to prestressed concrete down here. And the condos over there are old. I’ve seen sides of multistory structures 4 miles inland spall like 40mm Bofors rounds hit them.
How many other great cities and their towering buildings are built on less than bedrock?
Cairo , or maybe it is just using cheap unsafe material there .
Nah … poor concrete work and failed waterproofing membranes. Neither of which were yet invented when Christ told the parable …
That is precisely why Nyc is built the way it is. The tallest buildings are grouped in one geographic area and then smaller buildings elsewhere.
FFS it’s not build on top of sand. The foundation caissons go to the bedrock.
It’s a disaster area-House of Cards that could collapse at any moment.
The building, too.
This is quite the metaphor for the Biden *ministration.
I see what you did there!!!!!
#Metoo
Haha Gipper ?
What about the other buildings right around it? If this building had 2 to 3 ft of standing water in the basement level, then do the other buildings in the adjacent area have the same? There’s something going on with that volume of water penetrating a building habitually. I’d be packing our things and hauling people out of the buildings surrounding it, too.
That is what I was wondering too, surrounding area, as well as the part that is still standing. Many lives are displaced and upheaved because of this. I feel bad for all concerned. The potential weather, the heat, having to work knowing any second the rest could come crashing on your head, lives lost, relocation, and all the rest. Theses folks have a full plate going on.
The water level probably did not change. …….The building just went down a bit………My Australian understanding is that Florida is mostly some plant debri and topsoil on top of a swamp. ……..Minimum safety would require foundations as deep as the height of the building under it , like an off-shore oil rig………New York Sky-scrapers on the other hand are bolted to Rock…….
Look how long it took Biden to visit. He really shouldn’t have…
agreed but the Coup Puppet had no choice…….
He was goaded into it because the optics went bad.
The look DeSantis was giving Xiden (or the lack thereof) in the presser is what you see before someone in a bar hits someone else lethally with a pool cue.
Gawd, that dude is Kwisatz Haderach.
The body language disparity between the two men was truly cringeworthy … Biden hunched over like a drooling eldercare patient … DeSantis sitting up straight, shoulders up and square … it was … well … cringeworthy to think that ollllld man is the POTUS
POTATUS and the Spuds.
Worst. Band. Ever.
He isn’t.
I am sure he didn’t make anyone feel any better. Only thing he is good for is an excuse for a water break.
It would be interesting to see the real resumes of the rescue team that came from Israel.
Given the US Jewish community interest, prayer ceremonies, et al, just wondering if there were “experts” among the team members assessing if this was more than a “tragic building failure”.
Also, not to put too fine a point on the fact that the US FBI has a track record of allowing KNOWN Islamic Terrorists, in the planning stages of an attack, to finish their attack so long as they disappear one way or another afterwards. Plus, the IDF and Mosad have been on a roll wrecking Islamic stuff over the past few months.
Very interesting comment. I assume you heard that the building had a high percentage of Jews who lived there. I wouldn’t put it past the FBI to look the other way. After all, they are very pro-Muslim.
Thanks for the update. I had not followed the news concerning the backgrounds of the occupants. I was assuming this was the case after all the public interest and activity by the local Jewish community immediately after the tragedy and the team from Israel arriving so soon as well.
Then somebody commented here on CTH, the day of the tragedy, about a “flash” in the video of the collapse. At the time I dismissed that as a gas line or gas bottle or some other flammable igniting. Then the Jewish community and Israeli rescue team stories were published.
It just seemed logical, the IDF would send some people over to check out the situation, as no Jewish community worldwide is safe from an Islamic Terrorist attack. Plus, the US government allows plenty of Islamic Terrorists to safely reside here. The terrorists are even allowed to occupy seats in the US Congress.
This is interesting speculation, but you need to understand that the degree of suspicion of Jews and Israel at the top levels of the FBI is substantial. I don’t envision any cooperation would have been undertaken without the active reception of DeSantis, specifically because he is pro-Israel. Anyone connected to the Obami would have been worried about offending the Palestinians by giving Israel the opportunity to be heroes. Were the FBI or the federal government to have welcomes ISrael, you can bet we would have heard snark from Ilhan Omar and her ilk. I’ll bet DeSantis’ network put this together.
As for the likelihood of an Islamic attack, that is perfectly capably informed by the FBI and its training. If the FBI was not interested in exploring this, for political reasons (because they are prioritizing “white supremacists,” they would have actively prevented Israel from being near the scene. In the Obama administration, Israel government officials were repeatedly prevented from even getting travel clearance to come here.
There’s your “Muslim ban!”
I understand plenty…peddal your stinky fish to somebody who has not. READ my comment before trying to look smnart.
Are you talking to me about stinky fish? I really was not trying to offend anyone, but I think most people who appreciate that the Obami are hostile to Israel do not however know the degree of antipathy for Israel that is found in the foreign intel services and the upper echelons of the bureaucracy, that’s all. Israeli-American’s loyalties are questioned in ways that are not even reserved for Chinese-Americans. Sorry if I wasted your time.
not to mention the capitol itself.
Don’t forget they hate white people and anybody really that’s American. I’ll let them in on a little secret we hate their guts to.
Or they are after the information McAfee had?
Any Islamic Terrorist team contracted by the US Government would view it as a “2-for”.
Very possible.
Given all that we have learned about the totally corrupt fourth branch of Government, namely the IC, I have no doubt that the collapse of this building may have been engineered to happen at exactly this time.
They needed a distraction from President Trump and the audits.
Not saying that the building wasn’t defective, but the timing of the disaster just seems like another one of those coincidences.
Prayers for the rescue workers, that there are no more tragedies.
Sad situation. And along comes. DeSantis going out of his way to compliment Josef Stolen.
Our side will NEVER FREAKING LEARN how to play HARDBALL. ?
Say thanks but keep it minimal. Bidet* is a tool!
I swear our decency is our undoing. We’re just too darned nice.
Chris Christie gushing over obama comes to mind.
John McCain saying what a swell guy Obama was … in the final days of the campaign
OTOH … a strong, confident DeSantis sitting next to a feeble old puppet … was statement enough. The visual was striking
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Has anyone seen documentation of this?
I was told John McAfee had a condo in this building and that several years ago he was on record as saying he had important documents in his condo in Florida.
If true, it would have been a perfect false flag setup.
Am hoping someone can confirm or deny the veracity of these details.
I doubt he would have gone on record stating where he held his important documents.
Or at such a dump
It is suspected by some that he may have had his dead man’s switch here, in a condo under the name Patrick McAfee, a relative. It is suspected by some that this building could have been flattened like a pancake to pulverize it. This is not a naturally occurring collapse by any stretch of the imagination, and it fell very kindly within it’s own footprint.
I also posted this earlier today HERE:
Part II is out!
Hacker Connects the Dots: Part II
By The Professor’s Record with David K. Clements
Published June 30, 2021
https://rumble.com/vj8oah-hacker-connects-the-dots-part-ii.html?mref=bjjv5&mc=enxco
Our 2 AM discussion continues. More on McAfee, the FL building collapse, thoughts on Hollywood and some unusual spy candidates, Dominion, Mike Lindell, Mike Flynn, and Mike Obama….
What Does McAfee Know? Hacker Connects the Dots PART I
By The Professor’s Record with David K. Clements
Published June 26, 2021
https://rumble.com/vj3csv-what-does-mcaffee-know-hacker-connects-the-dots-part-i.html?mref=bjjv5&mc=enxco
In this interview with White Hat Hacker Joshua Merritt, we discuss the mystery of John McAfee’s disputed and questionable suicide. What did McAfee know?
Is there evidence of a dead-man’s switch?
What were the circumstances surrounding the Surfside, FL building collapse?
We connect the dots.
It might just be the best 3 hours you ever spent. SERIOUSLY!
The Professor’s Record appears to be extremely credible.
He I awesome. Thoughtful, smart, humble, exceptional man in all ways. You should subscribe to his Tehegram feed. Liz Harris and several of the AZ audit supporters are on there.
This is David’s wife’s full take on the collapse.
Surfside Building Collapse: Observations from an ENGINEER
The Professor’s Record with David K. Clements
Published June 28, 2021
https://rumble.com/vj59dh-surfside-building-collapse-observations-from-an-engineer.html?mref=bjjv5&mc=enxco
I’ve seen both of those episodes and follow
“The Professor’s Record” now. Very interesting. Maybe it was you who first posted his link here. I do get his updates and I did not have to have a Telegram acct to read his posts. Thanks!!
You’re the reason we’re called conspiracy nut bars for questioning election fraud.
Puhleeze …
Sadly apropos, the Democrat Poser in Chief arrives …………………… and all productive work ceases.
Are authorities evacuating neighboring buildings? Who is technically the authority over this decision (other than those residents most at risk)?
as his monitor Jill Biden stood closely behind him in case her dementia patient started to lose more marbles
Classic!
Reading between the lines, I’m gonna guess the Israeli team that came in, has extremely advanced tech for reading tunnels, movement, shifting etc–from having to deal with Hamas etc. And I’d guess their tech provided the warning of danger to continue the recovery efforts.
Reinforced concrete is a common building material in Israel. It is readily available. Not much timber grows there. It is also resistant to bullets and is sturdy.
Those poor people, haven’t they suffered enough? First the collapse and deaths, then Biden comes to town for a photo op. Adding insult to injury.
It’s fascinating to me howcpeiple can get fixated on a hundred or so dead in a building collapse when 40-50x that number have been killed by the covid shot.
We’re living in Crazyland.
Good news, all the dead in the building collapse will be classified as COVID deaths.
Jeffrey, not just covid. It has to be from the delta mutant of Covid so they can get maximum fear propaganda out there for something new on the horizon.
Architect: Delta Variant COVID Accelerating Climate Change, Expect More Building Collapses
Count on it. Even in Florida until Gov. Ron was aware our own Dept. of Health was cheating.
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I pray for the families and friends, and for those still missing. There will be a hole forever in their hearts because they did not get a chance to say goodbye, or even bury their dead. I’ve been there, done that.
As to stopping the dig, were they getting too close to the kill switch zone? What floor was Patrick McAfee on?
P.S. I know someone they could call for excellent construction advice. His name is President TRUMP and he is a VSG.
I heard Ivanka and Jared just bought a house about a block and a half away. What a great way to surveil them without anyone realizing it.
they are renting a condo several blocks away…short term…while a house that they have purchased is under reno.or a build from ground up. on one of the gated islands.
NYPost:
“You know what’s good about this?” Biden said at a briefing with local leaders. “We’re letting the nation know we can cooperate — and when it’s really important.
Biden added, “I just got back from 12 days in Europe. You wonder whether we can do this. And you’re doing it. I mean, just the simple act of everybody doing whatever needs to be done.”
One wonders what he thought the “good side” of the fall of the Twin Towers on 9/11.
Off topic. Who knew the President was in Europe for 12 days? What for? Say what??
G7.
Does anyone but me think that “Republicans” will be blamed for this? Does anyone but me think this was likely badly engineered to begin with?
I say this because developers & engineers make bad decisions all the time all over the world.
The Anderson, IN mall was built on a LANDFILL in the early 1960s. At least 20 yrs ago, if not longer, it had major cracks & was sinking. There are no oceans or rivers close by. I think it’s been leveled.
If we’re going to inject politics IN EVERY LOUSY SITUATION THAT HAPPENS IN THE WORLD, can we get somebody besides our stinkin’ communists to put the blame where it really belongs instead of “climate control” or Republicans?
This is why i love President Trump, imperfect as he is. He could call it like I see it!!
This is a tragedy. There could be many at fault, but it wasn’t “climate,” & it wasn’t Pres. Trump, Gov. DeSantis or most other politicians’ fault (likely).
But the media will NEVER dig up the real facts.
The media is the enemy. They only report what they are told.
Operation Mockingbird.
My Dad built a building in the early 1960’s on a landfill..he ,however, put down the caissons 26 ftt or more..I was in my 20’s and even then knew he was doing something he did not have to do..but he did.
Shoreline amphitheater in Mountain View California was built on a landfill. At a concert early in it’s life flames erupted in the spectators grass area at the back of the venue – methane gas escaping from the buried waste. Duh uh
Green Eggs and Ham for brains thinks hes gonna make a difference.. Oh hell he probably thinks hes at Disney World anyways.
He denounced the Reagan Administration for deregulation causing the collapse, and challenged Reagan to come to the scene of the collapse to face the results of his policies.
What has been happening to the part of the building adjacent to the crushed one? Hope people have vacated it, as it looks dangerously close to collapse itself.
Not one bit of that building will be occupied again, it’s been empty since the collapse and will remain so.
An architectural engineer on YouTube explained the reports prepared for the building owners regarding the state of the building before the collapse. The entire structure was compromised by decades of deferred maintenance and serious structural problems masked by improper repairs. Ironically, the belated attempts to repair the building appear to have caused the collapse.
Sad, but fully believable.
“deferred maintenance”
There’s the cause and how many more condo towers down there in rough shape as well?
Obama’s fault
The clean up operation is absolutely a joke. Poor execution. The crane out there is too small. They need to lift out the heavy debris and excavate out the smaller debris with bobcats and motorized wheelbarrows. The need tons of trucks to move out the debris, they are using 5 gallon home depot buckets to clean debris, you got to be kidding me. They need an army of bobcats and loaders.
This was a rescue and recovery operation, big difference in techniques, something about not killing those one hopes to rescue.
…The rubble is adjacent to an apparently weakened sister building… [ larger equipment can increase vibrations – and instability of remaining standing (leaning) building.]
It would take a huge effort to improve the stability of the remaining adjacent building.
Yes, time is of the essence for life saving – and that has been occurring. (before the ‘missing list’ was made), some people were saved, early. (with a self-awareness(s) of the existing conditions and timeliness to save people…)
It is good that some electronic sensors were placed the existing, still standing building – to monitor its movement, leaning.
That remaining building is also helpful for structural analysis people to have similar existing conditions to evaluate (before the adjacent building building collapses, or is eventually demolished for public safety).
For the potential survivors, it is a very tough existing condition to endure. No doubt.
Not a joke at all, it’s what needs to be done and can not be rushed. They are trying to recover remains(fingers, toes, teeth) and hope to find survivors. You can not do that with heavy equipment, not to mention the vibration of those bobcats and loaders could make other parts of the building fall. This is going to take a lot of time, probably months. Also, the rescue crews are trying to preserve mementos and belongings for the family members, buckets are the only way to go to do this.
There are numerous laser guided measuring devices located in and around the remaining structure of the collapsed condominiums in Surfside, Florida.
Pardon my stupidity, I am just a Deplorable, but if these devices are so easy to find and install, why were/are they not already in use? REQUIRED USE at EVERY building with multiple floors and abodes anywhere?
Like your 2 story home?
I am pretty sure they were put into the remaining building after the collapse to monitor it.
You can buy a laser level for $100-$500 but you would want long-range Bluetooth to monitor it remotely. Say $1000 each?
I know a VSG who is a builder and developer, who might just know what to do to secure the building. He might even do it for free, since it is his current and very temporary home state. He’s offered his services for free before. Like to the U.N. and others.
I thought of that as well. Good thing is that he and the governor are good friends and allies, and he has a home there. I’m sure he and DeSantis have each other on speed dial, so I would assume that Trump has offered any info, tips, or expertise he has…
This particular situation seems odd. He is 66, she is 40. He is a democratic political consultant. She seems to have very few sources of income and has traveled all over Europe. Could find only one picture of them together. I am curious as to how they came up with the estimate for the missing people and why so few bodies were found. This may be relevant or may be nothing at all.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/missing-florida-woman-was-on-phone-with-husband-as-building-came-crumbling-down/ar-AALxWEM
Dementia Xiden had to make the Florida condo rescue about him. Always bringing up the car crash his family was in. Just as McCain always used his war prisoner time.
Yup
Xi Bai Dung, wants to be the Bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral…
Alright. I’m just going to come out and say this as a former District Coroner having nothing but sympathy and prayers for the potential lives lost. If there were over 100 dead bodies in that rubble, the stench would be unbearable. Is anyone complaining about the smell?
I rather imagine folks have too much class to complain about such a thing.
May they Rest In Peace.
This didn’t need to happen.
Yes there were building concerns more recently.
Common sense would deter anyone from building this building on wet sand.
We are smarter than this.
I dont understand why so many people are suing the HOA. The HOA is the homeowners of the condo so you would essentially be suing yourself. I refuse being involved in a HOA ever again. No one wants to fund them even if the HOA pays common bills like water etc…
The more I look at the photo it reminds me of sacred burial mounds of the past.
The last thing needed at any disaster site is a politician, regardless of party.
Prayers for all the families missing their loved ones in this horrific event. Thoughts with the rescue/recovery teams as well – very sad, tedious work.
On another note, wanted to share something sort of eerie I experienced today. Earlier, I briefly visited the Treehouse and saw this post – but at the time I did not delve into the article.
Later, as I drove home, (and planning to read it once I got home), I passed a red pickup truck on the highway with this License Plate:
SRFSDE – Surfside I immediately thought!
Just one of those weird, kinda eerie, coincidental things that happen in life.
I once made a stupid remark and was put in my place but I have to ask didn’t they say the building had been there for 40 years? That’s a lot of hurricanes to go through only to fall on its own accord. Just asking.
Gravity never sleeps, not to mention the myriad creeping avenues of failure for such a structure in such an environment.
thanks for the reply.
Physics always wins. Period.
It was in really bad shape, the building was not maintained at all.
Indeed.It was a dump with issues
Should have boycotted the phony presidents visit. What is a visit from a corrupt, mentally incapacitated, and illegitimate president good for? Get serious already. Good guys keep trying to play by the rules while the enemy’s main strategy for control is to break all the rules.
CCP BIDEN IS ILLEGAL AND BELONGS IN PRISON WITH HIS PEDOPHILE SON.
Why doesnt anyone ask Bidens trash wife what she thinks about her son.
Not only are we decent people, we are trying to recapture our country while maintaining the Rule of Law, and not become Robespierre and the Jacobins. It’s very hard to know what to do.
They need to get everyone along with their valuables and belongings out now. Do what you can searching the rubble w/o jeopardizing the workers. Then dynamite the entire complex and start over.
I believe they were evacuated ( that is, ran out) when the other towers went down and have not been back since. Bye bye valuables.
Joe Biden…. “This is why we need Gun Control….”
I don’t know if anyone’s touched on this, but buildings falling over for no reason in a corrupt blue city seems pretty emblematic. I expect we’ll see more of this.
I especially LOVE that nobody is wearing masks. This is no time for theatrics.
One cannot help but wonder if the building’s contractors used tofu concrete from the CCP.
The CCP has building collapses like this regularly. One CCP building collapsed the same day as the Sunshine building.
Prayers continue for Our Lord’s Peace be with the families and survivors.
At this point a couple of bunker busters down the middle of what’s left.
Bury the pile and make it into a memorial park.
Keep the lawyers away (after the bombs are dropped, let them crawl over just before the bombs are dropped).
As long as there’s hope then hope must be kept alive.
Even if hope starts to fade, we must do our best to see that the families have dignified closure.
I see it only took the demented pedophile traitor a week to figure out where Florida is.
From the very beginning, once it was obvious that structural integrity is what brought the first part of the building down, it’s been only a matter of time before they have to bring the remaining structure down in order to complete the rescue. It is simply too dangerous to go near what remains standing. If it’s dropped on its own footprint there shouldn’t be too much additional work to get back in to what’s on the ground now. If it were mine that were lost in that debris I would want them found as soon as possible, and I think that means dropping what’s still standing.
It’s gotta be done if anything is to be done. No one is in the remaining tower. Let it rip
I can imagine the ‘expletives’ that went through Bidens’ mind when told he had to go to the building site…he cares not a jot.
It’s the Kodaks’ that he and his handler are after.
The Globalists took out McAfee, who told the world that his hard drives and evidence were held at this condo in Florida.
Why wouldn’t they then take out a building to protect their position?
I won’t post the link again.
But it exists.
I am not suicidal.
I ran across the video on an obscure thread.
To everyone who thinks McAfee is related to this condo collapse, it’s pure BS, do not fall for it. These ridiculous conspiracy theories do nothing but make conservatives look like idiots.
This QAnon person is a Democrat, has to be because he/she has done everything they can to make Republicans look like idiots. Q is probably Adam Schiff?
Me think Q is fbi operative false flag. Just like the leadership of oathkeepers, proud boys and 3 percenters are fbi informants and operatives.
Oh, no, this is so sad. Prayers for their familes.
“Installed occupant
“Installed occupant of the White House”
Thank you. I refuse to refer to him as President. He doesn’t deserve it.
Why is it is any of these press announcements by any official there are ALWAYS at least a couple of dozen government employees of some kind standing behind the speaker? Is this case there there are a variety of persons, most with the nowadays ubiquitous ID card dangling, none of whom appear to have been exerting themselves in any way.