“Papers, Comrade!”
Some said it wasn’t legal, others said private companies and businesses would not do it, well, regardless of legality – Oregon is doing it:
OREGON – Oregon has lifted its mask mandate for people who have been fully vaccinated against the coronavirus, but is requiring businesses, workplaces and houses of worship to verify the vaccination status of individuals before they enter buildings without a mask.
This statewide mandate, one of the first of its kind in the country, raised concerns that the procedure of verifying vaccinations could be too cumbersome for workers.
[…] The Oregon Health Authority said in new guidance on Tuesday that effective immediately, businesses would be required to continue to enforce mask requirements unless they had established a policy to confirm proof of vaccination using a card or photo of one before individuals can enter the building without a mask.
Gov. Kate Brown, a Democrat, said last week that Oregonians who were fully vaccinated no longer needed to wear masks in most public settings, except in places like schools, public transit and health care settings.
But she quickly noted that businesses would have “the option” of lifting mask requirements only if they instituted verification. “Some businesses may prefer to simply continue operating under the current guidance for now rather than worrying about vaccination status, and that’s fine,” she said. (read more)
Bring on the Class Action Suit. Those of us with Immunity superior to Vaccines (due to having had and recovered from Red Pooh’s BioAttack) should reject being discriminated against.
And those of us who have never had it and never been vaccinated (all of my family)?
Likely immune just from a good immune system.
You are playing right into the hands of their evil method: divide and rule.
Thats absurd. They’ve been playing the “divide and rule” game for centuries. When you obey your masters and stay at home or wear your face diaper you’re playing along.
This seriously sounds like a HIPPA violation to me
Why are people being required to reveal their medical history?
No matter who you are…the “vaccination” process should be between you and your physician
Their regular camel nose in the tent routine. If they they can get this to become “normal” and legal, they can control anything and everything you will be allowed to do. And next time, the vaccine you are forced to have will be what they want it to be, whether or not it is good for you.
Oregon. I’ve been there. Many times. I would like to remind you all that there actually are no blue states. There are only blue cities and the states dominated by blue cities. Oregon has one city. The policies are only followed by that one city. That’s it, that’s the deal.
Nearly true, but the heads of police departments have been imported throughout the Red-lands. Obama/Jarrett/Rice sent out community organizers otherwise known as future Government employees (policy shapers) to Austin Tx., Montana, Idaho.
He broadcast a lot of weeds which are re-seeding themselves.
The mayor of Boise is a weed.
People should stop looking to HIPAA for protection on this. In a nutshell, only businesses that provide medical or mental health services or that deal in health insurance are required to follow HIPAA rules.
By the time you get a fair hearing you have already been thoroughly punished. Sad but true. Get out of the cities. Even in Oregon you can have a good life outside of the city.
I’m not so sure, Demon. I live in the country (not Oregon), and there are plenty of mask scolds and mini-tyrants here. One of the astounding things about this freakout has been how many people – not just government officials but ordinary folks, from business owners to church leaders – believe they have to have a list of silly, arbitrary rules. Monkey see monkey do.
Long before HIPPA, there existed a person’s right to refuse medical treatment.
This included vaccines, which some people object to on religious grounds.
The whole purpose of this tyranny is to shred the Constitution & destroy our Republic.
The choice we must make is whether to be a patsy or be a Patriot.
Stand together or fall apart. Literally.
Well said, Etting, but I’m afraid the Constitution was shredded long ago. If he had any respect for it, instead of appointing Fauci and Scarf Lady, Trump would have announced: “I have reread Article 2, and I can’t find anything in it that gives the president authority to do anything with respect to a virus or a pandemic. If you have medical questions, ask your doctor. Have a nice day.”
trump screwed this up. or should I say, jared and ivanka.
Yep, although “screwed this up” implies that he should have done something in the first place, which he shouldn’t have. He had a chance to tamp this down, but instead he appointed Fauci, and it was off to the races with the nonstop freakout. The most courageous thing a politician can do at times like this is to do nothing – and then explain exactly why that is the best course.
I’d say it wasn’t a “screw up” but part of a much larger plan….wherein the remaining wealth goes from private to oligarch/transnational corporate hands…..great reset and all.
Lysander Spooner “No Treason”
Untrue. All these stores, even the most mask militant, that dropped the mask mandate and are asking us to follow the honor system are doing so because they are not allowed by that law to ask for your health information. This mandate is unenforceable in many ways. Doubtful businesses will comply.
Untrue? Did you follow the link I provided? It’s the last words of my post. For some reason hyperlinks do not look any different than normal text here so it’s understandable if you missed it. The link is to an hhs.gov article titled “Your Rights under HIPAA.”
Trader Joe’s can ask you all the medical questions it wants, and if you answer them they can blab that information to anybody and everybody, all without being in violation of HIPAA. This is because Trader Joe’s – as far as I know – does not provide medical treatment, mental health services, or medical insurance.
Of course that would be despicable behavior, and you could (and should, in my opinion) refuse to answer. Also, in doing this they might be breaking other laws; I don’t know. But they would not be in violation of HIPAA.
People need to stop screaming “HIPAA!” every time they’re asked a medical question. Most of the time it does not apply. Just say “None of your business!”
Then that would mean any establishment that offers vaccines on the premises would be in violation. So walmart… walgreens… you name it
I see what you’re saying: that giving people the vaccine constitutes providing a medical service. That makes sense, and I’m not sure whether that makes them subject to HIPAA. I suspect Walmart and Walgreens already might be if they have been providing other medical services.
But you have to understand that the Privacy Rule of HIPAA does not prohibit anybody from asking you for medical information. If that were the case then your doctor (who definitely is subject to HIPAA) couldn’t ask you about your conditions or history. Its purpose is to prevent them from giving out your medical information that they already have without your permission. Two completely different things.
I just read about a persons response when asked if they had been vaccinated, they replied asking if the person had an STD, the response was why would you ask that and why should I answer?
Exactly.
Maybe not a sound argument because of the contagion comparison , but worthy for the figurative slap in the face.
I like it! Although I would stick to the simpler “None of your business!”
Anybody who is that terrified of a bug that has killed only nine one-thousandths of one percent of the population should just stay home.
Or, you can make like a libtard and say, “I identify as being vaccinated…”!
They are demanding that we still wear the muzzles because they CAN. In the NY Gulag, it is like nothing has changed. The vaxxed morons are still proudly wearing face diapers while the free people refuse to wear a mask.
That being said- there are many stores and businesses that STILL will not serve you if you won’t wear a mask. They either demand to see proof of vaccination (illegal) or just tell you outright to put on the muzzle or you won’t get checked out.
My town hall is still under lockdown! The doors are all locked like a prison. YOu have to go around the back and get buzzed in and screened. I just went down to drop off some papers and was surprised they were still playing the game. I wasn’t wearing a mask when I went in and the one person I had to see wasn’t wearing one either.
The main room of the town hall looks like a prison waiting room – plastic partitions all over.
All of this is illegal and unconstitutional yet we have our actual government officials refusing to obey the law.
This is true from the FEds down to the smallest towns and villages.
I’m so glad I live in a red state! Things have been open for a year…some store employees wear masks but we don’t have to.
Normally the precepts of capitalism obtain, business is generally loathe to harass, torment, interrogate or run off customers, but this is a brave new world we’re in now with the multinational Communist collaborators monopolizing ‘approved’ businesses.
All said and done, you’re analysis is spot-on. A business can ask any question they want and they can deny service for any reason as long as it doesn’t impact a legally protected class of humans. I grew up with, in a hot region of California where we routinely went shirtless and shoeless, ‘no shirt no shoes no service‘ at many businesses. They’d throw us out on our asses or call the cops if we wouldn’t leave. That’s reality. We don’t have a right to be in their space or on their property or to any of their services.
I think our best bet is to align with like-minded citizens and forefully expel, exclude and take all necessary adverse action against any Communists or their collaborators who invade or disrupt our freedoms. Whatever that takes to execute, that’s the mission. If a business is a Communist collaborator, regardless of reason, starve them financially and socially shun their humans at all levels. Don’t help them. Don’t acknowledge their existence. They are the enemy. They are free to make any choice they wish, as are we.
I’m reminded of a deadlier time and as a naive young man asking family members about the war (WW2) and what it was like to kill other people. I had this idea that ordinary soldiers were little different from my own family members, fathers, sons, brothers, uncles, workers, citizens, normal people who went to war. I got a lesson from my uncle who fought in the Philippines about how to view the enemy, in that they are no different from the leaders who command them or, in that case the Emperor. They are the enemy. Didn’t matter that they were human, likely decent folks with families. Irrelevant. Even a moment of weakness could result in death. That’s reality, at least for one man who lived it.
Most folks, like myself, probably have a difficult time seeing fellow citizens as enemy combatants. I respect that. And here we are, closing in on a year and a half of ‘two weeks to flatten the curve’. The virus is a real thing regardless if natural or lab-created. The rest is specific choices of specific humans coordinating across institutions of government and business and usurping the rights and freedoms of citizens under color of law and without consequences. That cannot stand in a free nation under God.
Thanks, Dunes. I think the most important thing to be cognizant of is that the covid catastrophe is 100 percent politics. And politics is the worst way to make decisions ever invented. It is a recipe for never-ending conflict.
I shudder to think what the restrictions, orders, and rattings-out would look like if a pathogen were to come along that killed, say, 10 percent of otherwise-healthy victims.
They are claiming that HIPPA does not effect private industry personnel from asking your health history, only medical personnel is covered by HIPPA law. We shall see if that is truth or not I guess.
They can ask their questions, but I won’t discuss my personal health details with strangers.
According to HHS, that claim is correct. As I understand it, the purpose of the Privacy Rule in HIPAA (one P, two A’s) is to prohibit organizations that already have your medical information – like your doctor’s office, a hospital, or your health insurance underwriter – from disclosing that information to others. It has nothing to do with a non-healthcare business or an employer asking you medical questions.
HIPPA applies to everyone – medical and non-medical. HIPPA and the ADA are about medical privacy and freedom from discrimination based on your health issues. For example, my 21 year old daughter has to sign a form in order for me, her mother, to see her medical records. HIPPA applies to everyone. This will get knocked down by the courts – eventually.
They’re trying to convince businesses into enforcing their rules because they cannot. Similar strategy as private companies/monopolies like Google, Twitter being able to set rules for users that are in conflict with individual rights.
The governments are in a bind – it’s an experimental treatment so it can’t be mandated. Until this Vax becomes FDA approved (which may take years) the government cannot require. And as more data comes out and more people/businesses start pushing back, these governments are in a pickle. So they’re trying to kick the can to private businesses. At some point, the lawyers will come out (seeing financial reward) and knock this down.
Push Back against them both if you can because I can assure you it is making a difference. Peacefully pushing back is uncomfortable but we will not get out of this until we do. To quote Maxine Watters – “get in their faces”. They don’t like confrontation anymore than you do, but we have to do this (peacefully). It broadcasts a message to them and to others (who are want their freedom back but don’t want to get involved.).
“HIPPA applies to everyone – medical and non-medical.”
That is just not true. Click here. If I own a gas station, I can ask my employees for medical information, and if they give it to me, disclose it to anyone I meet, and not be in violation of HIPAA. It would be a loathsome thing to do, but not a violation of HIPAA.
Plus, the Privacy Rule in HIPAA is not about asking for medical information. It is about disclosing medical information that an organization already has, as in the example of your daughter that you cited.
The reality is that HIPPA protection is offered only for disabilities. Example: AIDS is classified as a disability and an employer cannot ask any status regarding AIDS. An experimental CV-19 treatment is not treated as a disability.
Again this should be rejected on Constitutional grounds with law suits up the yang. We probably have good standing up and until the FDA ‘approves’ this junk
I believe you are confusing HIPAA with the ADA. The P in HIPAA stands for Portability, not Privacy. It does contain a Privacy Rule, but it has nothing to do with employers asking medical questions.
It is a violation of HIPPA.
The inmates are running the asylum.
Time for individuals to initiate lawsuits.
Nancy said it’s for the children. You racist. My Mom’s Nursing Home killed 45 people with covid and now makes a rule you need to be fully vaccinated to enter. Ontariostan
It is not a vaccine!
I repeat:
WE CAN STAND TOGETHER
OR
WE CAN FALL APART
??????????????????
What if your
‘in-TOX-ulation’
WAS NOT by a physician, but by an
UN-qualified,
UN-informed,
and UN-intelligent
‘drone’?
Said ‘drone’ having been given/’promised’ an added
sum, hourly?
What if your ‘profession’
demands your compliance
and your reluctance could
cause a loss of license, meaning your job has now
been eliminated?
And yes, the heath privacy act
IS BEING VIOLATED BY
ILLEGAL
GOVERNMENTAL
DECREE,
IN THE NAME OF
SAFETY AND SECURITY.
Look at what’s being done in Victoria, Australia.
HIPPA was a ploy TO OBTAIN your medical records, or hadn’t you caught on to that? Before HIPAA what happened was between you and your doctor or at most the hospital personnel. It was called file cabinets, and they were locked up at night.
It’s understandable why so many people would like to secede from Oregonian “ownership”. I don’t believe it’s the long term solution, but I do understand their point of view.
I think the ONLY way this policy gets halted is for the NAACP and the Urban League come out FORCEFULLY against it, claiming that it is actually a back door method to discourage African Americans from patronizing certain business and from being able to travel freely. I absolutely maintain that there is a core of eugenicism at work here…they know that Blacks are far less likely to get the shots and so this will force them into feeling like they have to – and then watch and see who starts “suddenly” dying in higher percentages over the next few years!
BRILLIANT!
I agree and I hope someone reads this that can speak up and bring NAACP/Urban League into it from that point of view.
After all, black lives matter. ?
Yeah but they are prolly busy at another St George Floyd Funeral.
You have to have a state issued ID to get the vaccine and since urban blacks are incapable of getting state issued ID (racism, or something) to vote then they are also incapable of getting state issued ID to get a vaccine. That is systemic racism right there. Urban blacks are being discriminate against.
That causes them to be unable to go to businesses, travel, and get an education. More racism.
Absolutely!! Make the Left live up to their own rules!! This is racism, pure and simple. and I, for one, will NOT get the shots until EVERY African American in the country has gotten their…it’s only “fair”, right?
Racism is Erwer
Bravo, vikingmom! You should spread this far and wide! We must lift our voices in unison and decry “Racism”. The suppression of minorities to freely conduct their affairs without discrimination. They made the rules…we should play by them!
Oregonians please read this:
No large trials of any of the vaccines now being marketed have been completed yet. The only evidence on the safety of the vaccines comes from small phase I and phase II trials of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, with follow-up typically less than two months. There is as yet insufficient evidence to support any conclusions on their comparative dangers.
Moderna’s website
As a consequence, as with many of the other COVID-19 restrictions, there is actually no legal authority for mandating the taking of any of the vaccines on the market. By definition, as the vaccines are experimental, their use can be refused. No one can be ordered to participate in a medical experiment. We prosecuted Nazis for exactly this kind of thing after the Second World War at Nuremberg.
…meh
Thats all you have to say? How retarded can you get!
Oh I have. If you see the bullying and intimation on all around to people who do not want to get vaccinated, its horrid.
Can you imagine what will happen in the stores if there are some radical pro-vaccine people with masked people who aren’t masked.
Can you imagine what it will be like in schools with all school bullying already going on. Think about the kids from some these pro-vaccine families when there are masked and unmasked kids in school, after the conversations these kids are probably hearing at homes about non-vaccinated people
Brown is literally violating the Nuremberg Codes. She if coercing us into being vaccinated or stay in higher states of COVID risk levels.
Brown & OHA stated that as of may 21st, each county will move down 1 risk level IF their county reaches 65% vaccination ( this includes those 16+ and includes if they only got 1st dose)….
Governor Kate Brown Announces Five Counties Have Achieved 65% Vaccination Target
https://www.oregon.gov/newsroom/Pages/NewsDetail.aspx?newsid=54720&fbclid=IwAR0ep1fh_KyDsGQVcoiCJgzsZJNAJhSTBVMHrYfbBukaHfcyq275zSJpLkw
Back to the segregation of the 50s. YEA!! Instead of skin it will be mask & un-masked.
Thank you for your great comment. I appreciate it. I am one who can not take these because of many issues I have.
I am one of those that 90% of the time they give me a new med & two days later I am reading the small print and yep that is me but worse than the say.
The water fountains at my local grocery have signs: “Do not drink from this. Use a bottle or cup”
You’re a bit behind in your reading. Moderna’s Phase III trial results were published five months ago. 30,420 participants. (Pfizer’s Phase III results were published last November, with 45k participants.)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389
I do agree with you about mandating vaccines in most situations. But I’m afraid it is legally necessary in patient care, food processing and some other jobs that hold the business liable for heavy fines if employees or customers get sick because available precautions against the spread of disease were not undertaken. If the insurers demand it, you either do it or close. Can’t conduct business without insurance.
And the insurers were exempted from damages of their vaccines…
As I said below–Businesses mandating the vaccines can be held responsible.
Interesting NEJM article.
Those limited trials ended months ago.
Now, months later, with far more people injected, over 4000 deaths. Yet the safety warning are all directed towards inexpensive Ivermectin… which has been safely used for decades
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
Oh year we were the illegal research!
The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights were put in place to keep the Federal government small and limited.
How did that work out for us?
If the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is no impediment in ushering in a One Party Totalitarian Technocratic Police state then what makes anyone think the Nuremberg Code is any type of impediment.
The only thing that will stop these psychopaths is for the people to stand up for their rights and push back against this usurpation of our natural rights.
As Alex Jones says: The answer to Cov-1984 is 1776!
And how do you exactly “prove” that someone got sick? I find it disturbing that the ones who threaten you are also in bed with forcing experimental gene therapies
These experimental treatments have no claims for preventing the transmission nor contraction of the SARS COV 2 do they? Was it not that they would perhaps reduce severe symptoms?
Oh, and BTW, OSHA stated if businesses require the Jab and an employee comes down with serious side effects, Big Pharma cannot be held liable or sued, only the employer!
24-karat truth right there!
So? Nothing will happen, We’re pussies now. Compliant and soft “Men”
Speak for yourself please.
I will not be vaccinated. I just tell people I am in the control group.
I’m willing to be persecuted in order to do what’s right and stand up for the constitution. That’s where we are. I won’t go looking for a fight, but I will stand for what’s right and let the chips fall where they may.
If someone asks, I’m Transvaxxed: I identify as being vaccinated but I’m not vaccinated.
Mark of the beast.
In 1976???? We had a bad flu going around. Pharama came up with a new vax and 25 people died. They pulled it.
Now, more than 20 times as many people have died from these vax than all vax in the last twenty years. The numbers are in the thousands. The injuries in the hundreds of thousands.
Instead of pulling these unapproved experimental vax’s they are doubling down on forcing compliance. Including in children as young as two. And they are dying.
This is your 4am wakeup.
They will not stop until they are eliminated. Anyone that thinks this can be solved peacefully is delusional.
Looking forward to the US Supreme Court ruling that everyone in every state is required to provide proof of vaccination because of equal protection requirements. They will pretend not to notice that the Government has found a 100% fool proof workaround for the US Constitution: having private companies rape you for them.
Or SCOTUS will reject the case on the basis that no one has standing.
It is kinda hard to present your case with a trach on a vent strapped in bed.
Down vote.
Dear Boss,
Compelling any employee to take any current Covid-19 vaccine violates federal and state law.
First, federal law prohibits any mandate of the Covid-19 vaccines as unlicensed, emergency-use-authorization-only vaccines. Subsection bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III) of section 360 of Title 21 of the United States Code, otherwise known as the Emergency Use Authorization section of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, demands that everyone give employees the “option to accept or refuse administration” of the Covid-19 vaccine. ( … ) This right to refuse emergency, experimental vaccines, such as the Covid-19 vaccine, implements the internationally agreed legal requirement of Informed Consent established in the Nuremberg Code of 1947. ( https://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/ ). As the Nuremberg Code established, every person must “be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision” for any medical experimental drug, as the Covid-19 vaccine currently is. The Nuremberg Code prohibited even the military from requiring such experimental vaccines. (Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F.Supp.2d 119 (D.D.C. 2003).
Secondly, demanding employees divulge their personal medical information invades their protected right to privacy, and discriminates against them based on their perceived medical status, in contravention of the Americans with Disabilities Act. (42 USC §12112(a).)
Third, conditioning continued employment upon participating in a medical experiment and demanding disclosure of private, personal medical information, may also create employer liability under other federal and state laws, including HIPAA, FMLA, and applicable state tort law principles, including torts prohibiting and proscribing invasions of privacy and battery. Indeed, any employer mandating a vaccine is liable to their employee for any adverse event suffered by that employee. ( https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine ). The CDC records reports of the adverse events already reported to date concerning the current Covid-19 vaccine.( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vaers.html )
With Regards,
Employee of the Year
This is actually a brilliant case. The problem is, how do you get a court to hear it?
I’m in NY and there are many stores and venues that are still requiring muzzle masks to shop and do business. They do not care about any laws or the Constitution. Killer Cuomo told them that they don’t have to obey this particular law.
So here’s what’s happening with me. I refuse to wear a mask, I go into a store, buy my stuff, put it on the counter to check out and they refuse service unless I put on a muzzle. This just happened yesterday- despite the change in the “rules.”
I ended up leaving all my groceries on the counter and walking away after a few choice words.
Problem is that there are not that many stores I use near me and that one is very convenient and has good prices. If I don’t feel like fighting, I put on the muzzle just to get what I need and not get hassled. I hate it, but often there is no choice.
I have been trying to organize small groups of anti maskers to do a flash mob in these groceries but nobody is interested. I will fight every way that I can but they really have us over a barrel in the Blue slave states like NY, Oregon, etc.
Go out to the rural areas of Oregun and you’ll see a different story from what the communists on the coast and the I-5 corridor want.
Yep, and I happen to be entrenched among their vacation homes so get to see first hand the hypocrisy and how they use the rural areas to their advantage. It’s a great place for an otherwise forgettable old man to be, right in the thick of them. They bring their carnival noise with them on the weekends and poof Sunday afternoon it gets quiet like a graveyard when they leave.
I don’t doubt they’ll wait us out to watch us die or go bankrupt so they can grab our properties too, fallout of the virus operation. It’s what they do and who they are and, dontcha know it, completely ‘legal’. What I particularly enjoy is them lying to my face. I smile. Behind enemy lines. Lovin it. What will Kate Brown do next? Stay tuned!
Wrong. I spend tons of time all over eastern Oregon and it’s C19 mania as far as the eye can see. Mask use is as high as the cities and their enforcement is just as harsh. Only if you make a stand in a small town out there, and then expect to, say, have a peaceful rest of your visit in that area, you’re in for a harsh lesson in small towns. I’ve been harassed out of even campgrounds or parks by locals “defending” “their” turf. The cities are a nightmare of anarchy and the small towns are a closed society– both cases mean one should pass through quickly, make no waves, and be as invisible as possible. The world has gone to hell and nowhere is safe.
Again with the Nuremberg Code baloney. It must be coming from some online disinformation campaign. The Nuremberg Code is not law, not in any country, not in any organization. You can’t sue over violations to it. There are no penalties. It’s pointless to refer to a set of PROPOSED principles that no one has signed onto as if it was a viable strategy to pursue for legal remedy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code
Thanks for sharing Mikey! Took a quick gander and just like you stated that baby doesn’t have any teeth. In fact that baby is full of holes, legal that is.
Attorneys Robert Kennedy Jr and Robert Barnes would disagree. They already announced they have several lawsuits being filed. Using Wikipedia as your source is hilarious. ?
I only did it because so many in here can’t understand legalese. IF Barnes and Kennedy said that (doubt it), they are dead wrong. Ask ANY attorney you personally know. It isn’t law so it can’t be sued over.
And yet, quite a few people were executed when the Nuremberg Trials ended.
https://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1899-executions
At least one of them parted with the suggestion that one day, the Bolsheviks would hang his hangmen…
That’s probably WHY the disinformation campaign is using the historically “loaded” name of Nuremberg. Most people can’t tell the difference. The Nuremberg TRIALS (important though they were) are NOT the Nuremberg Code. The code is only a list of proposed guidelines and boundaries, like the Paris Accord. No one is held to it. No teeth. No penalties.
It’s still experimental and they are forcing people to take the vaccine.
They aren’t though. They are saying take the vaccine or wear a mask.
I know healthcare workers who refused and had their hours cut. They can’t be fired, but they can be indirectly punished.
I refuse to be vaccinated, I’m not at risk. For some the risk of the disease may outweigh the the risk of the vaccine. For 99.9% of us that’s not true.
We don’t need lengthy explanations. Just say “I’m not at risk, so I won’t take the experimental vaccine.”
Just say that with calm confidence.
Mikey, the code may lack teeth but the Nuremberg trial, though international, should at least provide a precedence for similar crimes.
What is your legal opinion on the latter?
As for the Emergency Use Act(EUA)
It becomes null and void, once Biden gives FDA the green light to authorized the four brands of COVID-19 vaccines.
Right now there is a cure for this coronavirus and it is “Ivermectin” it is being used in 20 countries and just recently India just added it to there protocol with promising results.
“Ivermectin” was approved and authorized by the FDA for use. You can request for it, through your private family physician.
I believe somebody in CT. who was in a coma was given this vaccine and he recovered from it!
Oregon has gone full nazis.
MANDATE vs ORDER – are interchangeable
The POTUS has left it up to the state governors to interpret the law
Logically, someone who hasn’t been vaccinated who chooses to enter a business puts only themselves at risk, assuming of course Fauci’s mask-wearing charade actually works. But, Oregon’s bureaucrats aren’t logical.
Someone’s going to test this and it won’t be pretty.
What happened to the federal HIPAA that prevents ANYONE from asking for your medical info…. this is eerily similar to gold star of Nazi Germany
It doesn’t prevent anyone from asking. AND, some kinds of employers (health care, transportation, food processing, heavy industry) CAN by law demand that you prove it. I’ve had to deal with the nuances of HIPAA ever since it was made law, hundreds of times over the years. It gives the patient the right not to answer. Not the same thing at all. Since it’s YOUR private info, if YOU choose to answer, you can.
I’ll give you one example. I had to administer random drug tests at a large factory. They were operating heavy machinery. It was in their employment contracts that no drugs or alcohol were allowed. Safety precaution. If they tested positive for opioids they got the choice to go into a diversion program or be fired. HOWEVER, if the “positive” person produced a prescription from an MD (say for chronic back pain), exceptions would be made. No HIPAA violation. They had the right to ask.
This requirement is a worse infringement than the wear the mask requirement. We used to think that wearing the mask might have a benefit where as this requirement is grossly bureaucratic.
It is still a mask-wearing mandate. You are being required to wear a mask OR provide vaccination papers.
You are SO right! It has made things worse in Blue Commie states like NY.
Someone should throw water on Oregon’s Governor similar to the seen in The Wizard of Oz just to see if she melts like that wicked witch did. She certainly looks like Oz’s witch’s sister so let the test begin!!!!!
For those who don’t know, Oregon’s governor Kate Brown, is the sister of former California governor, Jerry Brown. That should tell you everything right there!
While it certainly seems Kate and Jerry are siblings under the Brown Rot skin (a name I took up for Jerry back in the 70’s), Kate was born in Spain to markedly different parents. Perhaps he’s a brother from another mother type thing.
Seems that Businesses mandating vaccines better hope there are really bad adverse side effects cause they will be responsible according to OHSA..
Vaccine mandate comes with liabilities for employers
The Occupational Health and Safety Administration has released guidance that notes, “In general, an adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is recordable if the reaction is: (1) work-related, (2) a new case, and (3) meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7 (e.g., days away from work, restricted work or transfer to another job, medical treatment beyond first aid).”
Further, OSHA explains, “If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. The adverse reaction is recordable if it is a new case under 29 CFR 1904.6 and meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7.”
https://www.citizensjournal.us/vaccine-mandate-comes-with-liabilities-for-employers/?fbclid=IwAR1-b3Z7o7odIyDU5pzgprWx8LL25cyAMFK1IwV8zuLxgmnjFmBkNSpkjew
With a 4000% increase in adverse COVID vaccination side effects, COVID vaccination deaths since January, along with 10s of 1000s of these people with adverse side effects so bad they can’t work or worse yet land in hospital. Denmark banned J&J after all the blood clot incidents
This governor is certifiable. Get out while you can.
No argument there, her ordering OSP to after GOP legislators was epic insanity though it didn’t really make much news.
However, the Communists occupy just a tiny portion of the state and the counties of the state are overwhelmingly conservative geographically so my bet is it’ll be a solid fight or we’ll go on a bug hunt for the Communist roaches. Whoever is left after the decades of destruction by globalists and the Federal government is pretty stalwart and IMO no Communists or their figurehead in Salem is going to run them off.
Just out of curiosity has any looked at the history of these Drug Companies…I would not hire them to dig holes around my house.
For some reason they are going to start being honest….If you believe they give a crap about the people getting vaccinated you got as much brains as Biden and the rest of the Democrats have.
Criminal Big-Pharma Put in Charge of Covid-19 “Vaccine”
Big-Pharma – guilty of lying, cheating, stealing, bribery, and a history of exposing the public to dangerous and even deadly drugs – is being given billions to develop a Covid-19 “vaccine.” Would you trust your health to these criminals?
https://beforeitsnews.com/international/2020/05/criminal-big-pharma-put-in-charge-of-covid-19-vaccine-2501236.html
Don’t you love it it when someone decides to tell me something that just don’t ring true. Someone tries telling me the Drug companies are not getting rich with the vaccines, actually said they not getting they were pretty much donating their research and costs.
It might look like chunk change, but those small charges quickly adds up, especially considering they are now talking about bi-yearly boosters? Something like 280 million people have reportedly been vaccinated so far and now they are working on the kids.
The Drug companies have it made, especially since they can’t lose anything because they aren’t liable for any of the negative events even if they knew these types of negative events were very likely going to happen to people who took the vaccine!
Bet these drug companies are just loving the liability clause since they have racked up a long history of lost medical lawsuits and fines for fraud for deceitful purposeful medical practices. Look them up. there are a ton of them! Made the vaccine even scarier.
The US government has now paid Moderna $6b for vaccine effort
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/04/29/nation/us-government-has-now-given-moderna-6b-vaccine-effort/?fbclid=IwAR1t5aglYKpjgqAX2eFrqaBgDGayDqDrzISkUAL2Jigf6Qe_lEIswh7EQ-0
Some very clever lawyer should figure a way to sue these untouchable Pharma companies that doesn’t directly attack them over vaccine injuries. There must be a way to make them pay for what they are forcing on everyone in the world and setting up an ever producing money machine. Crazy and so wrong. imo.
Lawyers increase personal wealth, a few citizens hit the lottery and consumers pay more for drugs to enrich them both. Good deal? Imagine if you or I could kill people and not be personally liable for it, financially or criminally. Nirvana? Welcome to the world of medicine, especially if one is aligned with the Communist state. The past year and a half is replete with examples across the breadth of medicine, at all levels. The key is they don’t care. While we ‘prove it’, they’re on to the next attack, the next lie, the next deception, the next propaganda. Reflect on events and examine that assertion. It’s the perfect storm. The white coat operation has been brilliant. What are we going to do, die? Like they care. They got paid.
This is an unconstitutional violation of our right to privacy (see Griswold v. Connecticut). It is also in violation of HIPPA rules protecting individual health records. Let’s throw in a violation of due process while we are at it, which guarantees fair treatment under the law and prohibits governmental overreach. Get ready for the lawsuits.
Roe v Wade is based on privacy, ironically. Vaccine decision should also be between patient and doctor.
Scientists warn of risk of deadly brain disease due to Pfizer vaccine
American scientists have warned that the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine causes long-term neurological disorders, up to fatal Alzheimer’s and other diseases.Lou Gehrig. The study is published in the journal Microbiology & Infectious Diseases.
The study, authored by anti-vaccination researcher J. Bart Classen, was criticized by other scientists, such as renowned immunologist and microbiologist Vincent R. Racaniello of Columbia University, who called the claims completely wrong. Klassen is also known for supporting popular misconceptions about the link between vaccinations and autism and diabetes. It is published in so-called “predatory journals” that pretend to be scientific publications, but publish low-quality articles that have not passed peer review. According to Jeffrey Bill’s list, Microbiology & Infectious Diseases is one of these journals.
Experts have found that the drug for COVID-19 can cause diseases associated with prions, which, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), are neurodegenerative diseases that damage the brain.
At the same time, the document indicates that current RNA-based SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were approved in the US under an emergency order without extensive long-term safety testing.
According to scientists, mRNA permanently changes human DNA. The genetically modified proteins that are used in the Pfizer drug are integrated into the human genome and remain there forever. That is, if a person was injected with this drug, then there is no turning back, the researchers stressed.
In the United States, Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna have also begun to vaccinate the population. The use of Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines has been approved in the UK.
This all becomes obsolete in about two months when the pandemic disappears…having run its course naturally as all pandemics eventually do. Try telling people they need vaccine passports once that happens.
I live in California and won’t be surprised if they implement the same thing. If so, I will wear my mask into the store and then promptly remove it. What are they going to do? Have employees follow you around. It is a policy that will be impossible to implement.
According to Oregon officials, vaccine is ineffective if those vaccinated are in Churches, schools, public establishments & businesses.
When will the tyrants mandate barcodes on foreheads as proof of having been vaccinated for no apparent health reason?
Hmmm…the Chicoms gave us the cooties and now they are selling little wallets for our cootie vaccine cards:
Is it just me, or are these people just completely insane….either the vax works, in which case it doesn’t matter what anyone else does, or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t then, by their own logic, they should continue wearing a mask. There’s no way this is about a freakin’ virus. Sick to death of these people and the morons who obey.
Oregon’s a sh#t hole. That’s why seven counties want out.
30/37 want out, have not voted on it yet. When Portland starts getting hungry their representatives will vote to let us go. Fully intend to disobey vax mandate.
Another state to cross off the list. A-holes. No wonder 5 of their counties voted to ESCAPE THE TYRANNY.
But you can’t possibly scratch up a photo ID to vote … ? Got it.
“This statewide mandate, one of the first of its kind in the country, raised concerns that the procedure of verifying vaccinations could be too cumbersome for workers.”
Interesting. People had to mask up because businesses were worried about liability from someone catching COVID.
Obviously they got over that concern for liability when demanding personal medical information.
STAND TOGETHER
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FALL APART
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Just ignore the mandate. The law is not going to enforce except, perhaps, in Portland.
No one is fully vaccinated against anything as the so called vaccines do not contain any virus that one could possibly build antibodies against. B S and bafflegab.
Anyone who asks me for my papers is not reducing their odds of going to the hospital.
Masks are for fugly women. There are exactly zero beautiful women pushing for masks.
Absolutely wrong.
Oregonians please do not move to a free state.
NYT is not a trustworthy source. I just checked the OR COVID website and could find no mention of this. Press conference today so that may change. I also just returned from OR and was maskless in WalMart and various gas stations. No one was checking vaccine papers. Signs were gone, social distancing barriers were gone.
Been all over Oregon for months and still there now. You’re dead wrong, it’s mask-mania, and vaxx-mania across the state. Eastern Oregon still terrified and demanding muzzles. Only gassing up can you be maskless, but go into the mini mart and you’re kicked out without a mask. You just got lucky, most of us are still under nonstop harassment so bad we can’t even get enough food to eat or see a doctor for any reason. It’s hell here and you were basically dodging hundreds of bullets without even seeing them. Good luck; I’m going to die alone on a forest road due to being refused service at literally EVERY business in the State.
Having followed this over its course it seems no one knows if and what so called in name only vaccination works or / if masks do anything. It seems no one has actual solid answers. I’m not getting the shot and I will wear the mask going into stores just to make everyone feel safe. This is a major government hasn’t a clue BS.
Do not mean to argue here and am not meaning to cause any offence however we do know that masks do not work, factually and scientifically anyone or thing saying otherwise is lying, mostly out of ignorance for the general public but anyone in health or pharma or science is intentionally being deceitful, regards government local or otherwise it is a mixed bag but it is heavily skewed on the deceit end rather than ignorance.
Regards the vaccines, they should nominally give you a resistance to a disease, not ironclad by any means but that is the decades accrued general nod, personally I would not take any vaccine.
These chimaera`s that they are pushing as vaccines though largely do not work as they are not vaccines, they will likely cause you to experience some sort of reaction from bloody worrying to say the least to lifetime consequences and death all whilst rewriting your DNA so you are not the person genetically afterwards you where before you took it, factually.
It is a knowing crime ( mostly ) and a cash/power grab ( exclusively ) they are being used at all let alone illegally mandated, some for sure other than having a man made insertion into their DNA will not have any other effects, though no one knows what effects said insert will ultimately have, though most likely it will be non intended detrimental effects, many others will be temporarily or permanently crippled, some will die and those negative consequences ramp up dramatically the younger and healthier you are.
Those are the cold hard facts about it.
Komrade Kate, AKA Queen Kate of F*cktardistan is still demanding the badge of obedience otherwise known as the bacteria petri dish Mask, which BTW doesn’t stop the spread of any respiratory virus (that’s actual science) or proof you’ve accepted a experimental bio-weapon injection which doesn’t actually stop transmission or keep one from getting a respiratory virus, but may kill you. Just her way of letting you know you are State property.
Heh, Komrade Kate of Komorgestan, aka KKK. Has a nice ring to it! Now all I need is a T-shirt!
HIPPA. Tell them to get lost.
HIPPA protects patient data between individual and care providers, etc.
ADA protects healthcare privacy between individual and employers.
Employers may only ask narrowly tailored questions regarding employee health – ie do you have influenza type symptoms, etc. Employers cannot demand/inquire into specifics particularly on therapies with EU authorization only. If therapy moves into FDA long-term use approval, then employer can inquire.
Employers must maintain healthcare/medical confidentiality (per HIPPA and ADA) with regard to sharing any employee medical information with other parties.
Employer may inquire about vax status, but employee does not have to present information (ie employee can identify medical information as private.) Employer can require employees who do not provide medical vax status to wear protective equipment, etc.
Lots of loopholes on vax status and patient privacy because the vax is on an EU.
I was psychologically assaulted with this mandate by a grocery clerk at Natures in Bend Oregon. I protested the fascistic demand, it I was the lonely one receiving glares while telling people that 52 studies have shown us that masks are only symbolic. This is a beautiful small town but the fear porn has permeated ever spectrum of life here, our Governor pushing non science is agenda driven and dumb as a brick, another Soros plant.
Returning home after five months of sanity in Arizona the contrast is horrific.
I won’t be shopping at Natures again!
There may be a silver lining? If the vaccinated are the super spreaders and should be avoided at least I will be avoiding them.
Greater Idaho beckons.
Correction Natural Grocers
Been homeless in Oregon since March and I can’t mask. it’s been hellish. The state Ombudsman are supposed to be advocating for us disabled and others who cannot mask, but Dictator Brown has seized all power and there is no going back. I can’t leave the state for various reasons so I see myself unable to even renew my license, get food, or even seek emergency medical care without a mask and vax. I see myself and hundreds if not thousands of others literally dying over the next year due to this cruel, evil mandate.
I don’t doubt there are a lot of Oregonians in similar straits and we simply don’t know about because they keep things to themselves or have no channels of communication.
I can make a suggestion…… as long as one has some means of payment, food doesn’t have to be a challenge.. I haven’t been in a physical store since July 2020, local store, still have the mask they gave me, but manage to eat a reasonably healthy diet for an old guy on about five bucks a day and, bonus, I’m not putting diesel in the truck to drive 20 miles to and from town besides all the stress that you’ve been impacted by and I tasted last year and said nope, not playing that game.
The doctor thing is tough, can’t imagine dealing with medical issues during this time. We need doctors making house calls again. That used to be a staple of rural life, in our case even into the 1980’s. The factory medicine of today is some scary stuff, and none of the -19 operation is blowing my skirt up regarding the white coats, if it ever was. Confidence is at an all-time low so focus is on staying as healthy as possible
Best wishes and God be with you.
So glad to be out of Kate Brownshirt country. She’s an evil Marxist bought and paid for by Chy-nah.
We have some surprising allies, found among the Democrat Liberals.
Dr Naomi Wolf is an author, a feminist along the lines of Camille Paglia, and a Civil libertarian along the lines of Prof Alan Dershowitz. Dr Wolf is most definitely NOT MAGA.
Dr Wolf is in complete agreement with us re: vaccines, masks, and vaccine passports, and has been on Bannon’s show several times. She was also on Carlson’s show once that I recall.
Here are a couple clips from today of Dr Wolf on Bannon’s show –
“‘I Know What’s Coming’: Naomi Wolf Warns Vaccine Passports Will Usher in Biofascist State” 3:38
https://rumble.com/vheprj-i-know-whats-coming-naomi-wolf-warns-vaccine-passports-will-usher-in-biofas.html
“Dr. Naomi Wolf: Propaganda Push for Experimental Covid Vaccines is to Bring Social Credit Score” 6:10
https://rumble.com/vhepu1-dr.-naomi-wolf-propaganda-push-for-experimental-covid-vaccines-is-to-bring-.html
Kinda reassuring, no?
Our new allies will NEVER be MAGA (I follow these folks), but by george there are definitely more of us than them.
As for our differences – well, there are more of us than them.
Voter ID… Prohibited.
Vaccination ID… Mandatory.
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Enforced Genetic Mutations.
It is open warfare for an extreme dictatorship against the people, attack them asap, Damn Nazi’s out there fomented this themselves, no alternative.
Let’s wait for their reaction to the news that the ‘vacination’ causes new and unique forms of Covid 19 … in the meantime I will remain maskless in my adopted State of New Hampshire.
Peace out
Tparty