A hot-button topic now has some interesting polling data from Gallup [pdf result here]. The poll shows that more Americans want a third party option than ever before in the two-decades of polling. Given the very visible exposure of the UniParty, two wings of the same vulture club in Washington DC, this does not come as a surprise.
Gallup – […] Independents are usually much more likely than Republicans or Democrats to favor a third political party, but in the current poll, Republicans are nearly as likely as independents to hold this view, 63% to 70%. That represents a dramatic shift for Republicans since last September when 40% favored a third party.
Republicans’ current level of support for a third party is also the highest Gallup has measured for Republicans or Democrats in Gallup’s trend. The previous high was 54% for Democrats in 2018. Currently, 46% of Democrats endorse a third party, down from 52% in September. (read more)
Obviously there is a lot to contemplate on this issue. However, one of the key points to the formation of a third party is a cleansing of the state-by-state political apparatus.
As previously mentioned – If President Trump takes that army into a new political party of his choosing, that new party is structurally set to lay waste to any candidate within both wings of the Democrat and Republican assembly. A Trump inspired new political party can wipe out the illusion of the Democrat/Republican two-party system; specifically because much of the Trump movement consists of former democrats and brand new voters.
The MAGA coalition is the most diverse, widest and deepest part of the entire American electorate. President Trump’s army consists of every creed, color, race, gender, ethnicity and orientation. It is a truly color-blind coalition of middle America patriots and middle-class voters that cuts through the political special interest groups. (more)
If we have to proceed without President Trump, I vote that we do so.
Same. I’m with MAGA first.
Yes. It is a very fragile movement that depends completely on one person.
No movement depends on one person. A movement is not one person. If it is, then it is only a temporary thing that will never achieve squat because the leader is expendable either by natural causes or outside forces. We are not talking about a cult or a fad. We are talking about retaking the country from the commies. And it will take millions of us.
We move forward with or without Trump. Surely he is not stupid enough to think he will have the support of the piblicrat party in any way going forward. He was cheated out of the presidency by the SOBs. Why the heck would you trust a damn one of them. Trump’s weakness is in trusting the wrong people.
Now is the time to get moving on the new party. If Trump is not all in, then time to move on without him. Once we show our strength and show that the commie uniparty is a dead end party for aspiring politicians, we will have people like Goetz, Jordan, DeSantis, Noem, Doug collins and many more joining us.
We won’t. But, I agree.
any operation should be controlled by us, but he should be included.
men fail. men die. movements based on principles carry on.
Let’s not kid ourselves. We will need an American hero equal to George Washington to lead us. A good leader is not superfluous, he/she is a necessity.
We are the army.
With what the swamp has spewed up and with what we now know about the Republican Party, we are without any other alternative than to throw off the shackles and free ourselves from those who want us dead and gone, and form our own Party.
How quickly they forget who the messenger is. They themselves must be ego-driven and/or power-hungry.
And that is the proper order of things. WE were here first. Mr. Trump just stepped in front of the parade. Been a good grand marshal, but we know where we are going.
If we proceed w/o him, he will be forced to follow if we stick together. He is only one person. We are millions. He is nothing w/o us, just as the commie uniparty is nothing w/o us.
We won’t be doing this without Trump. Get a grip on reality. Plus, who would want to do that?
Fta: If President Trump takes that army into a new political party of his choosing, that new party is structurally set to lay waste to any candidate within both wings of the Democrat and Republican assembly. A Trump inspired new political party can wipe out the illusion of the Democrat/Republican two-party system; specifically because much of the Trump movement consists of former democrats and brand new voters.
I don’t think anyone wants to do this without Trump but God forbid anything happens to him we have to be able to continue forward on our own. To say otherwise, makes him too much of a target.
FINALLY!!!
Amen! Let’s get it started and make a real dent in the uniparty stranglehold. There are millions of us ready and waiting for leadership and focus and we will do the rest.
Here is an example of what the establishment repubs keep doing thinking we are all going to go along. Gag.
PLEASE GO AWAY: David Perdue Files Paperwork to Run Again for Senate in 2022 (thegatewaypundit.com)
These global-warming politicians are so stupid. Literally, killing their own people. So cold, electric buses won’t run, snow buried solar panels, lack of wind = no solar wind.
FTA: The Biden Administration is turning the country upside down claiming climate change must be stopped instantly. Yet the severe cold this winter is also right on time as our models have also called for the high in the global warming trend and a turn back down with colder weather as we saw the peak in the energy output of the sun. This winter, it was so cold in Germany, the electric busses stopped working and the lack of wind combined with snow that has buried solar panels has left people freezing.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/basic-concepts/60-of-americans-now-want-a-3rd-party-good-bye-republicans-democrats/
And if we had an actual opposition party they would all be screaming that from the rooftops and burying the Democrats with it. Same with Energy companies and car companies who now all seem to be on board with the green new deal. Can’t remember who…mb gm… recently said they would only be selling electric cars by 2030.
Steve Bannon goes home DEVASTATED! He’s been pushing a “start from the bottom up” policy with Dan Schultz. I think that’ll take way too long given the speed at which JoeBama is tossing out EO’s. Third Party NOW! Or no party at all.
There are many of us off both sides of this coin.
And, that’s why a 3rd party lays wast to both Dems and Repubs. The elites know this….
Waiting for the comments saying a 3rd party is a bad idea from those who said we needed to vote for RINOs because they were not democrats
New Party will not be the ‘Third Party.’
Republicans will be the ‘Third Party.’
That’s not the debate. The debate is what is the best way to take back our country. MAGA needs to win in a three way race with both wings of the uniparty as a true second party run. Utilizing the GOPe primary we can take out the GOPe wing ‘before’ the general against the Dem wing. Regardless of path though we must do two things first.
1) We need an honest election system. Contact your State Representatives.
2) Our MAGA Representatives needs pro-MAGA funding sources ‘regardless’ of the path to office. Anti-MAGA funding as turned many a former MAGA Rep into a uniparty stooge.
I would love nothing better than pure MAGA being able to win red, purple and even light blue districts in a three way race. We would sweep the vast majority of the uniparty out of office in one election cycle.
Which is possible if a true MAGA party (not MAGA via GOPe pathway) attracts enough former Democrats and energizes voters that won’t vote for either wing of the uniparty. Time will tell. In short I’m open to any and all pathways that replaces the uniparty ASAP.
We did that in Alaska and beat Murkowski in the primary. She then ran and “won” a write in campaign with Mitch and the RNC’s backing. If we manage to beat then in the primary they refuse to fully support the non establishment candidate. And support the Democrat behind the scenes. See Roy Moore and McDaniels in MS. The Republicans MUST be destroyed. They are rotten to the core.
That is precisely the scenario we need to win against. It didn’t matter that we won the AK GOPe primary, the uniparty will just run two of their stooges, one GOPe and the other Dem. This will happen regardless of path. The question is will we attract more ‘new’ voters as pure MAGA to backfill the low information GOPe voters that we lose in a true third party run. Or is it better to cripple the GOPe wing of the uniparty before the general? Coming in second place does us no good.
Yes, there will unquestionably be more MAGA voters. We will have the majority of Trump voters say minus maybe 30% of the GOP tops. The GOP won’t have the numbers to control anything and their corporate backing will disappear. They will have to become Democrats or go away.
Democrat voters have been programmed to hate them and will never vote for them. See the Megyn Kelly Today Show as a prime example. She tried to destroy Trump. She should have been their hero, but the left got her fired from the Today Show because they have been conditioned to hate Fox News and Republicans.
Now there are actually 2 parties: pro American vs globalists/elites.
As for the GOP candidate situation, there have been glaring red flags in a lot of these people’s backgrounds. A prime example is Cassidy, he supported Dukakis and Mary Landrieu in 2002. When questioned about Landrieu, he said it was a youthful indiscretion. He was 47! He founded a clinic run primarily on Medicaid dollars. He screams liberal, yet the GOP happily embraced him.
We need to do a little easy research on all candidates and expose them if the GOP runs a candidate against the MAGA party. We will control the candidates we put forth and will have to expose any splitters that try to run as MAGA candidates.
I agree that a pure MAGA party play has serious branding advantages especial to the diaspora of former Democratic, Independent and Republican voters that don’t like any of uniparty false choices.
But also keep in mind that many voters in which MAGA and PDJT is in near perfect alignment with their best interest are still suffering from TDS due to the media matrix they are trapped in.
I’m still worried though of losing too many of the low information Republican voters to the GOPe stooge and handing the GOPe seat to a Communist.
Perhaps the difference is that we are more politically educated as to what is going on and with effort can inform those that aren’t paying that much attention.
To destroy a political party takes energy.
To ignore a political party takes less energy, accomplishes the desired destruction and the death throes provide entertainment.
Post of the day
As much as I want to destroy the GOPe wing of the uniparty; I much prefer victory over it.
As Sundance has correctly stated MAGA can already lay waste to the GOPe wing right now by just staying home. But it will be a pyrrhic victory if in doing so we send anymore Bill of Rights shredding communists into office.
We have enough problems coming our way with the ones in office right now via existing voter fraud. Let alone if they get chance to finish the deed and implement full on Venezuelan tyrannical voting system nation wide. After which even a +90% disapproval rating won’t remove these tyrants.
I agree; there is no coming back from their treachery.
Might be tough getting rid of ‘ski. Like here in Maine, Alaska has embraced Rank Choice Voting which is just asking for fraud on top of fraud.
That must be dealt with too. Was that voted in or implemented by the legislature? Is there a way to put it on the ballot as a referendum?
Same here
So … we defeat the RINO in the primary … then on Election Day MAGA loses because RINO voted RAT.
So you’re saying democracy isn’t the sacrament that some are treating it?
99% of all Independents exist to split the Republican vote … to guarantee a RAT Election.
You can contact state representatives or you can get a seat at the county elections board vote counting tables. I opted to be a vote counter rather than depending on others.
You don’t take in to account the largest voting block in the country….non voters. Those are the folks that gave up on the 2 party system and many don’t see the point in voting in rigged elections.
I’ve debated many people on this issue over the years and all of you have the same arguments. It’s a highly flawed argument that never takes in to account the 100 million non voters.
The rats didn’t in 2020. Someone sold the voter rolls and they just manufactured ballots and some people went to vote in person only to find out they had already voted. We absolutely have to deal with mail in voting fraud at the state level or nothing will matter. And if the piece of garbage H.R.1 and S. 1 is passed and the illegitimate biden signs it and the states don’t challenge it ASAP non of it will matter.
^^^ THIS ^^^
“We’re bad, but the Democrats are worse.”; that seems to sum up what the Republican Party will run on in 2022 and 2024. They’re hoping and praying that Kamala will prove so irritating that all will be forgiven if not forgotten, and the voters will hold their noses and vote GOP again and again.
Kamala is basically the president if you read the article on National Pulse about how she is now making calls to foreign leaders instead of Joe Biden. There was a discussion this morning that no V.P. in modern history has done such calls within weeks of a new administration. I don’t think Biden is able to handle the rigors of being president. CNN, in their puff piece on him, reported yesterday that he likes to go to bed early. I don’t he’s up to taking the 3 am emergency call. Besides, all the leftists and UniParty only really need him for is his signature.
He might not even be signing the EO dictatorial orders but jill might be signing his name. I wonder if she thinks in her head “I’m signing for the commander in cheat”. Being First Lady is an honor, being first cheat not so much.
You don’t seem to take massive election fraud in to account.
This is the perennial trap going back to after Reagan. Where has that gotten us? Here! And here is not a very good place.
No. We do need to rid the RINOs, but that means take back the Republican party.
Otherwise we risk a replay of 1912. Or 1992. Wilson, or Clinton (*shudder*).
Lucy and the football come to mind.
Poppy was happy to hand it to Clinton. Perot was insurance.
Now, we have many Poppys and Perots. LOL
How many RINOs exist? Right now I count maybe 30 republican members of congress and senate willing to stand up to the uniparty. It would take decades to clean out the other 200 or so.
By trying to clean out RINOs you face 2 elections if you count the primaries. 2 chances for the uniparty to commit election fraud. Bad plan. A new party has the chance to have there primaries free of election fraud.
This is not 1912 or 1992. This is a full on communist takeover of our country. The Bill of Rights is in tatters and the communist oligarchs along with their political puppets have created their own ‘rules.’
MAGA Party is the inly alternative. We are in freefall.
Flova gets it.
We already have Chinese communists in control of our government. With Republicans who are in on it. No more! Sundance really was accurate when he coined the term “battered conservative syndrome”. We can’t keep doing the same thing over and over and hope it gets better. It never does. And sadly, in the case of battered spouses, they often wind up dead.
Interesting statistics….worth investigating.
Beyond fed up with the Republican Party. They are in bed with the commies. LETS DO IT!
Absolutely, What have we got to lose?
Since we have already lost the presidency by fraud, control of the senate possibly by fraud and the house, and soon America, not much.
Impatiently waiting!
IDK, the main enemies are the entrenched bureaucrats at all levels of local, state and federal government, the vast majority of them unelected, and the corrupt legal system. As long as those humans remain vertical, breathing and a threat, nothing will change. What motivation do they have to change and/or to accept and validate a third party? What they have right now is working great for them.
Main non-violent weapon is money. Humans are driven by greed. Working out methods to make them suffer monetarily, and socially and publicly shame and shun them, could be a beginning. Defeating them has to come before a viable third party slate of candidates and platform can gain traction. Why? Because they control the process. We’ve seen how that’s worked and how the corrupt justice system ignored all the election challenges except a couple the prog forwarded to challenge GOP candidates. Proof positive of their systemic corruption and failure as an equitable venue of the hearing of grievances. A third party won’t change that.
Don’t get me wrong I like the idea and would have supported Trump as an independent or third party like I did Perot back in the day but reality is reality. Time is short for a lot of us, not much life left. Hopefully the young will give it a go. God be with them.
However, one of the key points to the formation of a third party is a cleansing of the state-by-state political apparatus.
yes all politics are local
I agree, and this will also be important in disinfecting the dirty electoral systems now existing in most states.
However, when I listen to the precinct captain route which Bannon has been suggesting I feel that MAGA momentum could very well get control from the bottom up – the major disconnect is with the MAGA group and the uniparty RINOs. By going this route the MAGA reformers would get almost instant penetration nationally at the grass roots level and dilute or even eliminate the RINO control.
In a 3 party national race the RINOs would go all in with the Dems and defeat the new MAGA party cos, as we know, being in government is not always their priority.
Even in parliamentary systems which are not strictly 2 party it is difficult to get a national following.
The Uniparty will crush any national third party threat like a bug.
They’ll be declared white supremacists, terrorists, whatever. These 70% independents will pull an Emily Litella “never mind” and disappear.
All politics is local. The third party has to start at the state, even local level, to address a specific issue. Without that, you’re the grumpy old white man party. The new party, when elected, has to provide good government. What a concept. It will then spread to other states. It will take a long time.
Hoping for a miracle worker, a demagogue leader, is folly. A prominent leader makes a prominent target. It has to be a movement.
Dunes,
You write my thoughts better than my own keyboard.
So David Perdue is filing to run again for the 2022 senate seat in Georgia. He will enjoy all the backing available from the RNC and Mitch McConnel. Perdue should be anathema and ineligible to run because he rejects America First policies.
Instead, you will see opposition split up among too many candidates including fakes introduced for just that purpose. Should any real conservative emerge, he will be hit with a ton of media attacks fed by “insider” leaks from the RNC along with all the usual sabotage. This is what it means to fight RINOs inside the Republican party.
A new party cuts Perdue off at the kinees and leaves the RNC in the cold.
Perdue has proven himself to be an idiot. And he is not true MAGA. No way he wins against Doug Collins in a primary.
They have already started to go after Noem because they think she is a threat to Nikki. Stories have been planted in the media about some airplane she took twice to events.
Moving forward we need people who will not fold like a cheap Chinese suit when attacked by the RNC and the Pravda News. People like Trump, DeSantis and a few others. When you are going up against THE MACHINE you need THICK SKIN.
Absolutely!
Brian Kemp and Mitch McConnell gave those Senate seats to the Democrats–probably with the agreement to give them back later in a corrupt power-swapping deal to fool the rubes.
There are ZERO Parties right now. Just the Tweedledee/Tweedledum Political Crime Syndicate.
We need honest elections, Whatever It Takes. Will either current “party” give them to us? To ask is to answer.
I resigned from the Republican Party last month when Rona sent a fund raiser email telling she was re-elected. We need a total cleansing across the board. No more Mitch, Lindsay, and Mit….. none of that crowd. As it stands now we really don’t have representation. What do we have to loose? Knives in the front from the Dems or knives in the back from the traitors. I’m tired of being stabbed.
IF – and ONLY IF – President Trump leads the effort to form a third party – it MIGHT succeed. He would need to tour 50 states doing rallies and registering voters for the new party. If he doesn’t lead the charge, then any new party end up like the Libertarians – taking the MAGA hard cores and exiling them to the electoral wilderness. As for RIGHT NOW, Trump is in the GOP and MAGA can TAKE IT OVER. Just become a precinct chair and be part of the MAGA change! We already have the registered voters, just have to take over leadership!
Sounds appealing when you put it that way.
Problem is addressing the corruption of our own side.
And the Left.
I agree Marshall. We are nothing without Trump – he is the “Force.” Who else could possibly fill his shoes? Let’s wait to see what Trump says and does. We might be surprised. But he knows the swamp and politics better than we do and I still believe he has a plan. He has said so in coded language.
I think the problem is that we are always waiting for either something positive to happen or a leader to show us the way.
I agree. I felt like we could only succeed with Trump but the longer he stays away, the more resolve I have. We are too dependent on him. I think that may actually be part of the reason he is staying away for now. In a way, he is “parenting” us. He has taught us how to fight and he won’t always be there to fight for us. We need to be mentally strong and move forward with or without him. If and when he comes back we need to fight along side him, not behind him.
If McConnell controls the funding of the Republican Party that is a big problem, he can squash the MAGA candidates just exactly like he did in Alaska, and Mississippi. How can the funding be controlled by a MAGA inside the Republican Party? They play for keeps and have been working at this their whole lives while we have been funding it. We need a better strategy so that McConnell doesn’t call the shots.
A new party has a better opportunity of attracting independents and moderate democrats. The republican brand is like garlic to vampires for all groups.
I AM STICKING WITH MY PRESIDENT: DONALD J. TRUMP !
WHERE HE GOES, I GO. PERIOD !
Sign me up…Please get the ball rolling President Trump. Forget about remaking the Republicans as they stand now. McConnell isn’t done destroying the party yet.
Republicans is just a name. Let say by magic all the GOPe Republicans are gone and replaced by MAGA Reps? Now what do you think of the Republican party? Its not different than taking over a failed business and replacing it with new management.
You can bet though the uniparty will put up a number of barriers and tricks regardless of the pathway. For example declaring the MAGA party or anyone PDJT endorsees as an insurrectionist comes to mind.
“Republican” is a toxic brand to Democrats, many Independents and new Trump coalition voters. And also to the majority of Republicans now.
They voted MAGA or Trump. Not Republican. Many people viscerally hate “Republicans”. I have been a Registered Republican since I voted by absentee ballot in college for my first vote 3 decades ago. I am done.
“Republican” is a toxic brand to Democrats, many Independents and new Trump coalition voters. And also to the majority of Republicans now.
Excellent Hopesprings! You may well get a lot of “blue but not crazy” voters to vote America First but no way are my nutty in-laws going to vote anything “republican”
My nutty in-laws too. It is an anethma to me. They have been bitching about China since the day I met them, hate wars, hate Wall Street. Hate Republicans. Hate Trump!?! There is no breaking through. Will never vote Republican.
I know its madness. I deal with someone on a regular basis that is 100% MAGA on all the important issues and they can’t see the light. We finally have a President that put America first and their brains are so toxified with lies the can’t see the truth.
I feel your pain!
You won’t get me to disagree on that one. The fear is that we will flip too many RINO seats towards the communists if we aren’t strategic in which RINO seats we can win in the general via via three way contest. If we mess this up it will be the last election cycle we will ever have and thus you can bye bye to Constitution and Bill of Rights until after another bloody revolution.
In short I would rather achieve (30% MAGA + 30% GOPe) vs 40% Communist than 40% MAGA vs 60% Communist) in this first election cycle. Then we progressively destroy replace the GOPe via MAGA Reps as we build out that brand.
McConnell is busy trying to destroy President Trump.
Ok, but how do we ensure that…..INOs don’t take over the new party?
That is my question, too. Will they infiltrate? They will come here and tell us 9 ways to Sunday why we have to accept same old same old.
Why is Steve Bannon wasting our time with the 100 year plan to reform the crooked GOP slowly from the bottom up? I thought he was a strategist. Now that we need one that’s what we have?
Yeah, I was shocked Gallup did this poll and that Breit-drudge did a story on it.
Everyone is ready for something. I know it looks like doing nothing but we’ve been dispersed and attacked by the oligarchs and having to regroup is not our fault.
But I do see some positive signs.
Not sure why it would take 100 years to take over the GOP when 200,000 of 400,000 precinct seats are open RIGHT NOW. How hard is it for MAGA folks who have already attended rallies and knocked on doors to sign up and go to a few meetings? Many local and state parties are already censuring the turn-coat uniparty bums, so you will find MAGA allies already there. I like to think that our VSGHEPDJT has taught us that is OK to WIN. Bottom line is that I think we should follow his lead.
Exactly, don’t think of it as ‘joining’ the Republican party but as way for MAGA to sabotage the GOPe from the inside with MAGA. Its basically a two prong strategy, MAGA where we can win a three way race and do our best to clear-out RINOs where we can’t win just yet. When we start flipping close bye light blue districts to MAGA we will know its time to flip the purple districts as well.
I’ve got $10 bucks here to get this party started. Now if 80,000,000 other pissed off Americans would kick in $ 10.00 we would have a good start at organizing a resistance to this tyranny. Where do I send the seed money for this endeavor?
It’s the old set ’em up, knock ’em down strategy. Divide and conquer.
These people are experts at scamming and scheming. They will figure out a way to knock down the new party.
Someone above said start local and I’m guessing that’s probably what we’ll have to do. Or shit gets worse and CW2 happens first.
It would be a great way to cede power to the democrats in perpetuity. Stupid idea.
Democrats and Republicans =same. Uniparty.
A new party will have only external enemies to battle. Trying to oust RINOs from the Republican party will mean all your fighting is focused internally. Its not just the RINO in elected office. RINOs are the core of the RNC staff right down to the local levels. They are backed by leftist corporations and billionaires. They have all the party machinery in their control. They have willing accomplices in the media. Lindsey Graham demonstrates just what that can do.
A third party would have a much better chance of attracting De.ocrat walk always and Independents than the corrupt globalist GOzp.
This is so true here in my area of PA. Mag a candidates do not have a chance with the Republicans who run the state party or even at the more local levels.
A third party needs to attract at least 50% of each existing party and attract at least 50% of independents as well if it expects to be viable.
Piece of cake. Our message is one of hope and action. America will embrace our struggle. They see where this coup is headed or they soon will. Let’s be ready with a place where folks can focus their energy. Plus it will be such fun to watch the Mitch and Willard types wet themselves as they struggle with the reality of their utter demise. Delicious to contemplate. Let’s get this done PRONTO!
Think about this. Third parties usually fail. PDJT should spend the next few months secretly organizing and in the fall find an escalator to ride down and announce the he is switching parties and is going to make the democratic party great again. If he charged into the primaries with 75 million people and magatized the party Pelosi and Schumer would be gone from leadership in 2022. Pushed out from the grassroots. The entire radical left of that party would fold up and disappear.
Think about the democratic 2024 Iowa caucus and early primaries. Harris wouldn’t make it to SC. PDJT would go down in history as the only president to be elected by both parties and thereby negating and exposing the impeachment frauds.
PDJT did drain the swamp. We can all see it for what it is. The rinos are done and the only way to defeat the left and their media pals is through an insurgent campaign from within. 75 million people could roll over that party. PDJT would get alot of labor and law enforcement union support. Let the left start and third party and see how well they do.
Think about it.
Yes, and we will miraculously see the appearance of a vast number of, wait for it, honest politicians ™ with zero skeletons in their closet to be exploited (or made up) by the actual government, the vast administrative state, and their lapdog media if they pose any kind of threat whatsoever to the Uniparty status quo or, if they don’t, totally ignored by the media.
Also expect the same kind of measures used in the most recent “election” and admitted in the Time Magazine article so blatantly that it surprised some, but not me because I’ve got enough of a clue after the last five years’ experience and the last election to know they don’t care about exposing what they did because they know they are 100% in charge of a majority idiocracy.
A STRANGE GAME – the only winning move is not to play
7 Feb 2021
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/02/07/a-strange-game/
Excerpts:
There is absolutely no one in Washington DC looking out for the long-term best interests of the citizens. It’s solely about power, control, and enrichment of themselves and the oligarchs who put them in power.
Not one decision is being made looking out further than the next election, as these corrupt captured faux representatives divvy up the spoils, as the country spirals further into debt, while the Fed printed 40% of all the money ever printed in U.S. history during 2020 – with 2021 on its way to new records. The insanity of the monetary and fiscal decisions being made by Powell, Yellen, Biden and a congress filled with narcissistic myopic mathematically retarded troglodytes is enough to make a sane, rational, critical thinking American scream in agony at the devastation, strife and economic wasteland we are leaving for future generations.
I find myself increasingly ignoring the daily blather of posing politicians, fake news pundits, “medical experts”, self-styled financial gurus, twitterati, and government drones. Why should I get outraged on a daily basis by the actions of a presidential administration I consider illegitimate and central bankers doing the bidding of the oligarchy, as always? At this point I feel like blurting out Crooked Hillary’s famous angry outburst during the Benghazi hearing – “What difference at this point does it make?”.
I know there are many still believing, if the GOP can just win back the house and/or senate in 2022, they can get the country back on course. Others are waiting for the victorious return of Trump in 2024 like MacArthur’s “I shall return” moment in the Philippines. Some still believe the Qanon pablum and are trusting the plan. They are badly mistaken, as the country is too far gone, and must crash and burn before it can possibly be rebuilt.
How can you defeat an enemy who controls the presidency, congress, mainstream media, social media, major cities, major states, the military, FBI, CIA, DOJ, and the courts?
I have thrown in the towel on believing we can vote our way out of this mess, as Washington DC is ruled by the Uni-Party, beholden to globalist billionaire oligarchs, the upstart Silicon Valley billionaire censorship tyrants, and the Deep State snakes surveilling all our communications and controlling the narrative through propaganda and suppression of our First Amendment rights.
There are no white hats coming to save us.
How does a third party beats Dominion? Not that I’m against a third party but how is going to make a difference when voting with crooked machines?
Millions of pissed of people can take Dominion down and make it irrelevant if the Will is there. Local politicians can be made to see the light if the right peaceful pressure is applied. These are all details that will be dealt with one by one. First order of business is to create a party that puts the fear of God back into the corruptocrats. A party called The Constitutional Liberty party might attract people searching for a vehicle to free themselves. Im ready to donate and work on its behalf. Whatever it’s name is to be let’s roll. Time is of the essence as they say.
Still how are you going to take Dominion down and make it irrelevant? Last election would of have done it, but instead they shot things down and came out with the votes. Over 13 million people voted that were not register to vote. And that’s aside from illegal voters and made up votes and canceled votes, etc. I’ll be honest I just don’t see it. But I tell you what I see Venezuela and Cuba is what our nation has turned to.
We need MEDIA that isn’t ENEMEDIA. That’s even before electoral security.
But Trump has already disavowed a 3rd party and opted to instead work with his enemies again (McCarthy) to help the GOP re-capture the House. We can’t just whistle past that like it didn’t happen?
Sure we can. VSGDJT does what he must to survive.
Was not said disavowal prior to mcturdle trashing DJT on the senate floor?
Upon new information I am able to change my mind.
What?
Forming a 3rd party has zero to do with his “survival”. Who cares when he said it? We all saw the announcement from Trump and Don Jr. both of their unholy alliance with McCarthy to take back the House did we not? I will accept what my eyes see and read at face value that their intent is to do precisely what they said they were going to do.
“Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.”
― Isaac Asimov, Foundation
Maybe Trump and Don Jr need to hear from us that, as much as we agree with his policies, respect his commitment and bravery over the past 5 years of hell, we will NOT vote for the republican party because they are just like democrats and can’t be trusted – at ALL levels of government.
Exactly!
PDJT took The Tea Party platform and succeeded by applying its principles. This movement will continue to grow stronger and more viable as new bold leadership comes onboard. It’s up to us now to build on what He has accomplished. He gave us the battle plan and it’s now time for us as a movement to show the world that freedom ain’t dead. It’s making a comeback thanks to PDJT and his singular courageous actions. He is truly one of a kind. A true American in every sense of the word. The reason I know this is by the response to his words and actions by the opposition. He struck fear in their black hearts. That’s what I loved the most about his time in office. He showed the entire world their corruption. This return to sanity is coming but WE have to make it happen.
Here is question could PDJT have won in 2016 as third party candidate? If no then you have your answer, at least for a national level election. I still think we have local and even perhaps national seats that are +70% Republican where we could run pure MAGA and win in three way race. MAGA reps we get in via the same path PDJT used (ie GOPe primary) then caucus ‘with’ MAGA party Reps. (MAGA + MAGA via GOPe + GOPe). MAGA via GOPe could also flip parties once in office.
Each of us will have to decide what is best.Personally I will vote against Tim Scott and Tom Rice in a primary, but not in the general should they beat their challengers.Will the President endorse them on the general like he endorsed all the RINOs in 2018 and 2020?
Tim Scott is not for a single America first policy. Vote Democrat if that situation arises. There is no difference and you get rid of a decepticon.
OK, rather than waiting for someone else to do it, if this is going to happen we must have guidance from someone who knows the legal side of things to assist us in setting up state and county identities under a common party name. Are we the Patriot party, the MAGA party, or what? We need to begin creating the vehicle.
The Constitutional Liberty Party. The Tree of Liberty its enduring symbol of free thought and independence. Call it the Party from the planet Mungo if you like but let’s get started shall we?
Third parties don’t work.
Our “first past the post, winner takes all” system of government is why there can only be 2 VIABLE parties.
I’m all for the replacement of the GOP. The question is this: Which option works better? Take it over from within, or try to replace it like the GOP did to the Whigs in the 1850s?
Back them what happened was that a majority of Whig ELECTED party members went GOP. Is that probable now? If not….then all a “third party” would do is completely entrench the Left in power.
Tell that to Rand Paul.
How so?
Rand Paul is a 3rd party candidate that won in a 2 party election scheme.
The left is entrenched now. They control the entire federal government even the republicans on capital hill. They control the media, big tech, big businesses. The only thing they do not control are the people and that is coming.
Third party?
Last time we tried that, Taft and Teddy split the normal Americans and we got socialist Wilson.
Bingo.
We already have Marxists in the Whitehouse.
Sigh. Please leave the stone age. There is this thing called the internet that no matter how hard they try they can’t hide the truth unless they shut down the ‘net completely and I suspect THAT would cause a political explosion like never before.
There has never in the history of the USA a president with the ability to reach past the establishment and talk directly to the people.
If we keep doing the same thing we are going to get the same results.
The internet was taken by the enemy, hid truth and promoted lies at least as well as “stone age” media.
You are reading this, aren’t you?
It’s not a third party. It’s a second party. The Democrats and Republicans are 1 party. The Uniparty.
Yep different wings of the same bird.
We need a new bird.
Boy do we ever!
Traveling down the road of life looking backward through the rear view mirror will get us nowhere but wrecked. The dynamic you describe no longer exists. People are Way more savvy than they were 100 years ago. That argument no longer holds water. A Party that truly holds the public interest at heart is way overdue in this Country. Have a little faith in the people Robert. You may be surprised at their reaction.
I am in support of building a new Party. But our goal has to be becoming one of the two dominate Parties. This means we will have to organize nationwide and that we will probably take our lumps for a couple of election cycles while we build our strength. It won’t be easy and it has not been done for over 130 years.
We need to establish a communications home base, where our members can get involved. I hope PDJT is working on that basic organizational step. If he is not, he will need to let us know very soon. Time is of the essence. Fielding candidates will be difficult and funding of campaigns will be the most difficult part. The model the Libertarians have used will never work for us. Much research will have to be done on how to build an outreach to Patriotic Americans who are looking for an alternative to the present mess in Washington. And, we will have to be legit or we will never gain the confidence of the average voter.
Mitch keeps stabbing and slashing at the GOP. It may actually not take that long for the party to bleed out.
It wasn’t Mitch that killed the Republican Party. It was the Truth that did the old pachyderm in. Nothing more nothing less. People get tired of continually being lied to and when they have had enough they move on. That’s what we are witnessing now and it is damn well about time.
Our goal should be to become THE dominate political party. It’s not an unrealistic expectation to embrace if we Truly believe what is preached on sites like this daily. The Founders built the vehicle that will deliver us from this current crisis. We just need to be wise and bold enough to apply the principles that they gave their lives to establish. Like the man said this ain’t rocket science. It really shouldn’t be too difficult to knock humptyjoedumpty off the wall. These folks ain’t that smart. They rule by fear. Even Satans minions hate his rule but alas they like the unifascists have sealed their fate by their weakness. We can win this. It’s a matter of Faith overcoming fear.
Fix the voting system A) removal of all electronic tabulators; B) voter ID C) purging of all voter databases and removal of all electronic databases from un-secure internet; D) working with experts such as Jovan Pulitzer, Bobby Piton and yes Dr. Shiva… E) True the Vote…. and many more in the know.
We cannot rely on a broken system….of One, two or three party power brokers….
The local jurisdictions control the voting process…. change has to happen there!
We have to be involved at all levels.
The global UniParty has to go down local, state, federal.
It has to go down is right! The uniparty WILL fall from its disgusting position of dominance and they will do it to themselves. All that is needed is a little push from us. They always overreach..always. Let’s be ready to pick up the pieces when they screw this latest fiasco up.
There appears to be strong support for a new party. IMHO, this is a good time to initiate one. It would be nice to vote FOR a candidate and SUPPORT a political party rather than my usual practice of trying to choose the least offensive betrayer offered by the uniparty. (Haven’t voted for a dem. in 50 years other than local elections long ago when we were a one party state & locality)
Third party would be great, but Trump doesn’t share the spotlight. He’s a one man show, and he would instinctively diminish the stature of anyone who attempted to take up the mantle of MAGA.
I’m all in. We can’t just wait to beat them at the ballot box. We have to start now exposing their corruption at every opportunity. Flood their offices with “We Know!” postcards. Each of their offices should buried in at least 10,000 paper postcards every week. Write letters to the editor, hound the local media, do everything you can to shine the light of day and liberty on these cockroaches.
The Constitutional Liberty Party. The tree of Liberty its enduring symbol of freedom.
They would say it’s a terrorist party due to the quote about the tree needing to be refreshed with…..
Don’t kid yourselves–whichever course we/Trump take will take a lot of work! Any intelligent person with family or business will (as planned) have to take notice of what the Deep State/UniParty will do to punish you, before, during, and after.
Just as surely as China is at war with us using their “Three Warfares” strategy, the Deep State and UniParty are at war with Constitutional governance and the citizens whom it protects.
That’s not hyperbole. The sheepskin is off the wolf. Millions of patriotic individuals will have to take on a warfare mindset, yet with the self-discipline to not send us off into a shooting civil war, because that serves the Deep State with a fast track to totalitarianism.
Tens of thousands of patriots in each state will have to make it their top priority in life, to return this nation’s governance to the will of the people, and position patriots into positions of power strong enough to expose and remove 50-80% of Washington’s bureautocracy including the agencies of Intel, Justice, and Enforcement.
Start counting the cost now. There will be no going back.
Yes. Time to pledge one’s life, fortune, and sacred honor. Most of those who signed the Declaration paid a very heavy price. Many of their families suffered. Whatever happens next, whichever direction this conflict with the uniparty takes, there is going to be significant cost. The challenge is to ensure that their cost is greater.
Whether a take-over of the gop, or a third party….is of no consequence. The rules have changed. Wherever Trump goes-that will be the 2nd party and where all will go..so, Trump’s choice, whichever he can make more successful, be more productive, and have more control.
Dream on
People are dissatisfied with their representation. These politicians have a wall around the capital for a reason. President Trump revealed their nakedness. We could be energy independent, not dying in a war with a booming economy that would lift all of us. The Uniparty has no clothes.
the theory that democrat voters are a monolithic group voting in lock step with pelosi et al is IMO not true. What union worker is pleased that high paying manufacturing and pipeline jobs are gone, what democrat is happy that not my president is going back to war in the middle east, what democrat voter is happy with the release of thousands of illegals into their towns. I would say none of them. they have nowhere to go as far as political parties are concerned. they probably saw the hypocrisy of the republican party long before most republican voters. I think a new party of America First will peel off 10 of millions of voters from both parties and independents. we re in a class war with the elites of both parties and they don t give a rats azz about us which is why they are hell bent on swarming the country with illegals, they want us gone . they regard us with distain i regard them with contempt
I’m a retired United Association pipefitter and I can tell you a LOT of memebers haven’t forgotten the osama yrs and the tomb-like Hiring Hall and voted their wallets for DJT “leadership” be damned..
It is going to be interesting when my copy of the UA Journal gets here to see how they spin job killing biden’s actions.
Retired United Steel Worker here. The spin in the USW journal last fall for Biden was pathetic.
Cocaine Turtle Mitch is the biggest traitor behind Pence!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/mitch-mcconnell-doubles-gop-senate-leader-now-attacking-trump-wall-street-journal-oped-wants-criminal-charges/
In addition, 50% now identify as Independent, with Democrat and Republican splitting the rest at 25% each.
I believe a party built around “America First” principles, starting with the economy (Its the economy, stupid and a backlash against Wall Street) ,equality under the Law (backlash against government and Wall Street elites and even a dash of incorporating the valid concerns of police reform and minority neighborhoods), privacy rights (backlash against big tech) and individual freedom would attract the majority of Independents and a nice chunk of both Dems and Republicans. But I’m afraid it wouldn’t succeed if only built around the Trump name. I’m hoping Trump can ally with some non-traditional groups that represent the real people of America. Minority leaders who aren’t simple race-baiters. Self-employed and small business groups. Religious organizations threatened by PC culture. Women’s groups concerned about the inevitable destruction of real femininity by the trans groups. Men’s groups concerned about the demonization of being “toxic”. Deplorable, irredeemable, hobbits and “insurrectionists”.
There are many who don’t feel represented by the elite.
Odd, but not surprising, we are seeing the 2nd string being put in some states already. They are muddying the water to make sure they void our vote with more GOPe has beens.
They are so intimidated by making America great.
The idea of a third party really has become necey. The entire Trump term and election fiasco revealed more and more the reality that there really is only a uniparty.
However, the logistics of forming a new party are daunting. Hundreds of candidates will be needed to run for all the various offices. Vetting them will be laborious and fraught with difficulty. Even one verbal slip of awkward background incident will be used to demonize the entire party. And finding enough qualified candidates who are impervious to slander and hostility won’t be easy. And endure the machinations of all the agencies of the swamp.
But the process still needs to be undertaken. It will take time, but the foundation needs to be solidly built. If Trump is engaged in the process it will possibly galvanize the operation and take hold faster than one might expect. These days events happen so suddenly and unexpectedly that anything is possible.
The desire of millions is there. That cannot be allowed to dissipate over time. Keep the outrage hot and channel it creatively where it can make a practical difference. Revolutions throughout history begin with an objective and find the means of expressing it.
It is time for an America First Party that will appeal to conservatives, libertarians, and independents.
use the libertarian party already on ballots of 45 states then add the other 5 states and change name and aim to maga with 81 M voters and growing as obitten policies hurt more and more
I remember from a paper that I had to study in a graduate course that the two main reasons voters give to why they vote for a candidate are “personally known to me” and “party affiliation.” That is why Trump did all the rallies (meet the voters) and why he ran as a Republican – millions of voters already in place for the brand. He has been studying this problem for years and I think we should follow his lead.
https://patriots.win/p/12hRUvrP9v/the-gop-is-about-as-effective-as/c/
Any discussion about a 3rd party is a sure win for the Dems. They want it. Clean the party we have
There is only 1 party. The Uniparty.
Third party? That presumes there are already two parties which there are NOT. The fact that so many Republicans in congress failed to call for a real congressional investigation into the stolen election speaks volumes. With McConnell and McCarthy slamming Trump for ‘insurrection’ tells you there is only one party – the traitors party. Now it is time for a Patriots party.
Don’t forget the crickets during the Russia hoax. They only ran to the media to vouch for Comey and Mueller’s character. Or to complain Trump was mean on Twitter. We are not irredeemable; they are. Time for a divorce.
Meaningless, until you rescue the election process. Military might be the only way.
ludwig, I agree. We can’t do anything until the voter fraud is fixed. That is the FIRST priority because as you say third party means nothing if election fraud is allowed.
A third party candidate might work well for Independents and Republicans, but it would work best for the Democrats! (u’ll notice they don’t vote for Ind…)
Democrats voted for Trump in droves. Have you seen the walk away videos?
The major fault line continues to be globalist/nationalist. The Repub/Dem, liberal/conservative, black/white, capitalist/socialist way of breaking down both specific issues and the world in general are at best second- or third-level analytical tools, but are probably obsolete. Let’s take capitalist/socialist.
America is not a capitalist country. Period. Full stop. Despite what Conservative Inc. tells us, our system of socialized expenses and privatized profits for the SOLE benefit of a few uber wealthy oligarchs and multinational corporations is not capitalism. It is fascism. But it is not your grandpa’s fascism. It is not nationalist fascism. It is Globalist Fascism, and while Conservative Inc. had us all chanting “free markets, lower taxes, limited government,” they have been laughing up their sleeves on the way to the bank with America’s accumulated middle class wealth that they stole.
So yeah. Third Party. Actually a true SECOND party. It’s time. And you know what? Bernie and his socialists should have a place at the table because there really are some things we need to discuss with them once we throw off our Conservative Inc. shackles. Like how WE divvy it up, not how Gates and Zuck divvy it up. And perhaps we will ultimately divvy up the Gates and Zuck fortunes. But that is a different conversation for another day.
We need to change the Republican Party from within. Vote in those President Trump endorses and vote out rhinos. Trump is still the leader in my book.
I can go along with the need to replace both parties with an “independent” party. This, however, would be a long haul proposition. You could get an “independent” president elected, Ross Perot could have did it if he hadn’t flaked out. The harder part would be to replace 50+ senators and 219+ house members with those of this “independent ” party. You may have an “independent” president, but more than likely the members of the “uniparty” that remain in the senate and house would fiercely fight this president.
For those who say we must fix the corruption in vote counting. That means getting rid of the Republican party.
For those who say we are in a full scale fight against fascism. That means getting rid of the Republican party.
For those who want to vote FOR something. That means getting rid of the Republican party.
For those who want a party that serves to organize and galvanize alternatives to fight the Tech Oligarchy. That means getting rid of the Republican party.
Getting rid of the Republican party is accomplished by merely ignoring it and joining a real opposition party.
It won’t matter how this transpires if Votes are not counted properly.
That is why we must work from the bottom up to elect MAGA people on the local and state level who will require paper ballots counted by hand.