The Senate trial of former President Donald Trump should be an exercise in futility; there is no constitutional framework to impeach a former president. However , that said, when both wings of the UniParty bird are working in mutually beneficial alignment, anything can happen. [Senate Trial Rules – Impeachment #2 HERE]
Senators Schumer and McConnell have agreed to a set of rules for the impeachment trial. The rules will be voted on tomorrow, along with an initial set of four hours of arguments on the constitutionality of the entire fiasco beginning… and then a vote.
WASHINGTON DC – The agreement between Schumer and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, in conjunction with the House impeachment managers and Trump’s lawyers, will allow up to four hours of arguments on Tuesday about the constitutionality of putting a former president on trial. The Senate will then vote on whether the trial is constitutional. (more)
Assuming the trial goes forward… Then beginning Wednesday, each side will have up to 16 hours to lay out their case, spread out over two days per side. Senators will then have four hours to pose questions to the House managers and Trump’s attorneys.
At this point who cares what politicians think, do or say. They do this to keep us divided. Are there groups popping up yet that are trying to amass the 80-100 million pissed off people in the US? We need to focus our anger onto things we can do in a concerted and coordinated effort to affect what we can where we can ASAP (no politicians please). With 80 million people on board we could have masks eliminated in no time by all agreeing to not wear them. Once this starts to take affect it’ll show who’s with us and who may be against us when you go to stores, restaurants (which we can also deem to re-open and frequent), etc. Then we go after the monopolies like Walmart, Amazon, You Tube Twitter FB. 80 million people not using or frequenting their services would put them all out of business or at least know we mean business. F___ the politics for now and focus on putting a hurt on those pulling the strings. Politicians are great at dividing people by creating hot button issues that in reality affect our daily lives very little but are great to seperate into sides. We need to use our 80 million strong to organize and pick the best actions that obviously may be a bit of a sacrifice by shopping local, getting off FB etc but seems a small price to pay. It’s now time to make some sacrifices in creature comforts in order to save our country.
The 80 million is just the people who voted for PDT. We probably have strong support with well over 100 million when you add in young people and others who did not cast a ballot or who have changed their minds.
we have over half the population including kids etc…thats probably 180 million or so
President* Biden is President of a bankrupted services corporation whos corporate charter has been revoked. Nothing that any bureau of this corporation says or does has any lawful standing. Anyone following the The Constitution for the United States (note the spelling) who does not commit any felony of breach of the peace under that constitution can lawfully tell Washington, DC (also a foreign bankrupted corporation) to go to hell.
The Lincoln County Republican Party voted Sunday to join an effort to censure U.S. Sen. Ben Sasse. Despite the snowy weather, 32 people attended Sunday’s meeting, according to Carol Friesen, Lincoln County GOP chair. The censure resolution received unanimous approval, she said in an email. The resolution criticizes the Republican senator for “dismissing the legitimate concerns” of Nebraska’s secretary of state, attorney general “and a huge majority of Republican voters” regarding allegations of fraud in November’s presidential election.
https://nptelegraph.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/lincoln-county-republican-party-votes-to-censure-sen-ben-sasse/article_450c6f34-6a59-11eb-b365-238899806cda.html
This is good news. Failure to oppose the scandal of election fraud should stigmatize all the weasels who bent their knee to the Reprimander and Thief.
Calling it right now. Republican Ben Sasse will be on Chris Wallace’s show Sunday talking trash about Trump.
Another in a long line of vermin!
I think they’ve lost the right to tax us because they’re no longer a representative of the people being taxes….no the people being ROBBED.
Just ignore it. It is an inconsequential show trial. Calling it an impeachment trial plays into the left’s narrative.
The MAGA movement is the train they cannot stop. Ditch the media. Create and influence the narrative in your community, in person or online.
I think they think their jobs are to keep us divided! Their job is to do the people’s business and to insure the people and our constitution are protected to the best of their ability. In the coming elections so many of these arrogant politicians are simply going to be voted out of office and replaced by representatives who serve the people. Or at least one can only hope. If not someone will have to explain to Dr. Franklin how and why we lost the republic.
What is this thing you call election?
I haven’t seen one in years
First, eliminate the dominion, smartmatic and other voting machines. Eliminate the unsolicited mail in ballots. If these are not done, none of our votes matter. We can all go out and vote and have a landslide, and we still lose the seat. 2020 election fraud is the proof.
Sage moto you absolutely correct. Drop the masks. I have been harping this. Have not put a face diaper on yet in a mask mandate state. WI
I was the only one without a mask today at the supermarket. And then I came across a man of about 35 who was maskless also. Gave him a big smile and said, “Nice face,” as I walked by. He nodded and smiled back.
How can the Senate “decide” if something is “constitutional” or not?
another shampeachment farce. this one is to hide the rape of American treasure by shcumerconnel
McConJob is all for the sham-peachment. Not surprising that he agrees with Schumer on it all.
Let the media circus begin.
No one cares outside DC, District of Corruption.
I forgot what DC stands for. Is it
District of Corruption, or
District of Criminals?
Yes.
Dumb as Chalk?
HAhahahahahaha! Good one.
Are they going to take a secret vote (The Jeff Flake Scheme) or go on the record? I am wondering what this signals about the 5 Rep Decepticons who are retiring…
Perhaps they will use those retiring to vote FOR impeachment in Senate….what do they have to lose and they accomplish forever destroying Trump! IS THIS THE PLAN? House will impeach with the Dems and the 11 or so R’s. Senate needs some R’s.
The House already impeached rather hurriedly back in January.
Now it’s up to the Senators to convict or acquit.
Perhaps they will use those retiring to vote FOR impeachment in Senate….
Good Catch! Romney, Sasse, Collins and Murkowski + Burr, Shelby, Toomey, Portman + a few sleepers could creep up to the magical 67. Probably won’t happen, but the point is to get as many votes as possible to impugn and politically wound Trump.
Won’t effect me. I’m for whatever the Swamp opposes–and vice versa.
It won’t matter we are all Trump at this point.
Secret vote = they are all in on it
That’s why the National Guard is still wandering around DC. Where are they now staying? At President Trump’s Hotel gratis?
I believe it only takes one Senator objecting to a secret vote to force a recorded vote, but I am not a lawyer or an expert on Senate rules.
Perhaps Rand Paul will object to a secret vote. He has been speaking up lately.
OK, don’t know any other way to do this other than pooptube, so forgive me in advance. But I think this is quite fitting for the occasion. Brother Richard…please proceed…
I skimmed thu the rules…
Someone posted the link on daily thread..
Everyone should read them.. plenty of double speak..
Presentation of evidence..
All information to be submitted is done by deposition/discovery.. in private..
then voted on if it can be submitted for the public..
Farce farce farce..
MAGA
Of course it should be provided to the public, especially if the senatecritters try to block it !!!
Agreed it is a FARCE and here is the first thing I noticed in the part concerning if the Senate has constitutional jurisdiction in the “agreed Scummer and KY Gobbler” so called rules: [If a majority of Senators voting, a quorum being present, shall vote in the affirmative, the Senate shall proceed as provided in this resolution]……Is there any doubt that there won’t be a “majority” of these snakes that will find this so called proceeding “Constitutional”?
What a sham Soviet style “show trial”. Where’s the Chief Justice of The Supreme Court presiding as called for in Article I Section 3 ” The Senate shall have the sole power to try all Impeachments. While sitting for that purpose , they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice SHALL preside.” ?????
Donald J. Trump is no longer officially President of the United Stated and The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court IS NOT presiding. Therefore, any Senator that votes to allow this farce to continue is a traitor to his/her Oath or Affirmation and should be removed forthwith.
So if Rs don’t show up there can’t be. a quorum?
They already broke thier oath when they rubber stamped the election fraud.
Why does that matter now?
How’s that go? Democracy dies where the sun don’t shine?
The REPUBLIC dies where the sun don’t shine. This ain’t a ‘democracy’, which means mob rule. That’s what Democrats are conditioning people to call this country, a ‘democracy’, because what they most desire is MOB RULE.
Every Trump supporter goes on trial this week, in what is probably the dumbest and most destructive thing Congress has ever done to this country.
Every member of Congress who approved the tainted Electoral College votes on 06 JAN, either explicitly or by default, disenfranchised every state, hence every legitimate US voter. That makes each of them party to a federal crime that may constitute an Act of War, as conducted offshore. This fits the definition of High Treason.
Their responses to recent letters & messages on this topic all state that they ‘saw no evidence’; which assumes the false premise of evidence having been presented to Congress on 06 JAN for their consideration. The evidence was not presented because of the perfectly timed, kabuki-violence incident. Not a coincidence.
Hence both parties are now fully invested in The Steal and will be, until removed from office “by any means necessary”…to coin a phrase.
“they ‘saw no evidence’;”
Then they should have had their eyes open. Instead, they had their heads stuck in the sand (or somewhere else) .since half way through election night until Jan 6th..
A show trial … still, one which appears likely to fail to move forward with PDJT being acquitted once again. If these trends aren’t stopped, a future will come where show trials will run to the preplanned guilty verdicts.
The Uniparty must have its wings clipped with a new party supporting the true American honest working middle class.
the “AntiCorruption Party !!!
I would bet Mitch will use all the pressure at his disposal to get Senate Republicans to vote to ‘remove’ the President. Ah, President Trump.
Mitch controls reelection funding for them. They still think we will forget all about what they’ve done and vote for them again. Well, I won’t be voting for any Republicans. Period. Full stop.
Just seeing the picture of Cocaine Mitch and Chuckles together makes me ill, TBH! They are going to do what they are going to do and no “rules” or “procedures” will change the outcome! It is ALL Kabuki Theater and my bet is that “just” enough RINOs will vote no on the final count so as to keep both camps PO’ed at each other so that they can use it as a rallying cry in 2022! And I would be willing to bet a LOT of money that they will all go out somewhere VERY private to “celebrate” afterwards and to laugh at how they fooled all the rubes AGAIN!!
Yeah, they’re using this to do even more fundraising. They want to “stop the Democrats “ but in reality, they’re just fleecing us. It’s just like the fundraising after the election to support the recount and court fights – except they never tried to fight for the President. It will be a cold day in hell before I’ll donate to them again.
Does it do us any good to contact these people? We already know they don’t care about us or our votes.
They’ll continue sending out funding requests under President Trump’s name. He made them alot of money from us ‘little people’ the past 5 years.
Either we form a new party or I’ll give up voting. Not going to vote for any more lousy Republicants. My newly-seated idiot House member, YOUNG KIM, voted to keep Liz Cheney in her position.
Young Kim had announced she was voting with Lizzie (for impeachment), but too many Orange County, CA folks called her and gave her WHAT FOR! So she moved along to her next RINO vote, for Lizzie to remain.
We’d be better off with the democrat still holding that seat. I have no doubt he will be elected in 2022, because Orange County is fed up with this little witch.
only contact them in person
be loud and use vulgarities
The most corrupt body of politicians to ever exist on this planet is about to pass judgement on us. I would wear a conviction by this criminal cabal as a badge of honor.
Purple ties. Enough said.
Awww, look. How nice. Isn’t this what everyone always wants? Everyone in DC is getting along now. They are sooo united.
I really hope I don’t need the sarc tag here.
What you said is absolutely true..
It’s the rest of the country that disagrees with all the Uniparty and their overlords Communist China
MAGA
They can tart this pig up in lipstick and high heels and call it Emily or an “impeachment trial” or whatever else they want, but the fact remains it is nothing more than extended and elaborate hearings on a Bill of Attainder, and what they are up to is specifically prohibited under Section 9 of Article 1 of the Constitution.
Agree with your comment about Bill of Attainder. Legislators (whose job it is to write laws, *not* interpret the constitution) acting to determine the constitutionality of their impeachment of a President after leaving office is simply *not* a constitutional duty. This is clearly not in their lane– the SCOTUS determines constitutionality. WHY is this allowed to proceed? CJ Roberts in effect said that he and the SCOTUS would not participate in this farce. I just cannot understand WHY there appears to be no one who can intervene in the constitutionality issue of this kangaroo court! Can anyone explain this in a way that makes some basic legal sense?
There really isn’t much to prohibit Congress from doing illegal things, such as passing blatantly unconstitutional legislation. The role of the courts is to rule on them after the fact. Process. It grinds slowly, but grind it does.
The Supremes are another useless body. When we need them, they duck and run.
Dress it up with a moustache and dinner jacket and call it “Aldolpho,” it is still a hearing on a Bill of Attainder.
What a bunch of nonsense For McConnel to go along with this mess again, Where is this mans moral fiber guess he has none We all know that Schmer does not but this, just like the last time is not worth watching because its just more of the same . lets bash the President and make sure that people will never get out and protest again with him or listen to what he has to say
Biden is the biggest Scum bag that ever walked the earth but thats not saying much about Soros and Obama Those two traitors should be in prison and thats no joke
A fine point, but an important one: Mitch is not ‘going along with’ this mess. He is helping to craft and facilitate it.
Spot on.
Mitch’s wealthy Chinese in-laws are funding his caper. He does what the CCP tells him to do. Like the good little pet he is.
It will be done. Nancy is that evil.
THIS is all for show, kabuki theater for THEMSELVES, their fundraising and they think we are stupid enough to think we’ll give them $$$ to (defeat)?? those terrible Dems….
The USA is closed, biz shuttered, schools closed and THIS is what is going on in DC…THEMSELVES…..I HATE them.
Wait….
I thought the Uniparty was working hard writing legislation till the midnight hours..
I think I was hearing the typewriters clinking and clanking.. and there has been a run to Staples to buy whiteout for typing mistakes..
What a farce.. they are not even giving a pretense of governing..
It’s a witch hunt.. it occupies their mind 24 hours a day..
Let the “FUND RAISING” begin.
Who are they going to trot out “Electronically” to give an impassioned plea for $$$$$ to stop the “Bad Guys”.
Nikki Haley and Marco Rubio. Shall w start a thread for friendly wagers?
Just got a “Welcome Back” email from WinRed…
THEY say…
The “Bad Guys” want Sarah Huckabee Sanders…
Cancelled…
Please give $$$$
Pathetic
Maybe Walmart will spread the wealth around and give the Republicants $100 million bucks now. Like they gave to BLM, which Biden promptly confiscated for his ‘Presidential Basement Run’. I wonder how they will divide all that loot up that they stole from BLM. Lots of corporations gave huge amounts of $, to BLM.
Can’t help wondering what Mark Twain would say about today’s Congress…
Time to start a recall on McConnell
Newsom recall is at 1.4 million and only need 1.5 million
They want to silence our voices and to shut us up
Remember we are 75 million strong.
Federal officeholders cannot be recalled.
Governors can be recalled.
Congressmen cannot.
Weird but true.
Governors depend on what state they are from
In NY the dem legislature outlawed recalls
They can however be hounded out of office. Let’s get out there and find that hidden gem of dirt that will allow for that.
Section 1 is boilerplate.
Section 2 is where the question of Jurisdiction is addressed.
Section 3 is how they will control any motions made by Trump
Section 4 is the “dog and pony show”.
Section 5 is a compromise to any Orthodox Jews in the Senate or any legal representatives
Section 6 is the Inquisition.
Section 7 is how the Senate will control any witnesses or documents being allowed.
Section 8 is how Senate will control what evidence is allowed and by whom.
Section 9 is where the fireworks will be delivered based upon “recently discovered evidence”. (beware of “gotcha” stuff)
Section 10 and 11 are wrap up stuff.
Hang on to your wallet, these guys are professional thieves.
Section 8. That’s appropriate.
McConnell is a lying snake, I hope one day he gets what is coming
KARMA
He will – might not be here on earth but he will be called to account for his actions…as will we all!
He is the deadliest viper
Some may say “Karma”, I think Mitch is running as hard as he can to “the lake of fire.”
And no, I am not trying to be merely snarky. Mitch is basically evil. Judge a tree by its fruit. This is where it is very hard to pray for my enemies.
I am so tired of the Demoncrap s**t shows! It’s been non-stop since 2015. I’m so fed up with them making a mockery of everything they touch. They are truly evil people, and McConnell and a number of the RINO’s that suck up to him are just as bad. Disgusting slime.
Well, it’s not a “real” impeachment.
The ELECTION WAS STOLEN!
But i worry for the lions when Daniel returns.
To RECLAIM HIS TIME!
Oh my! Another impeachment? Apparently this department should be recognized as the Department of Redundancy Department.
This is the most disgusting display of power I have ever seen in America. It’s unreal. The very fact that McConnell is negotiating with Schumer should be enough evidence to show even the most resistant anti-3rd party person that a 3rd party or a civil war appear to be the only soultions to this coup.
DC, the most evil place on earth.
Wretched hive of scum and villainy
DC = Devils Coven
DC-Demon Central
It doesn’t make any difference to me whether Donald Trump is ineligible or eligible for future federal office. President Trump is still the head and leader of any political party of which I am a member.
If the worst of the senate impeachment farce should come, then the ruin of the R Party and ascendance of New Party is made very much more simple and much more direct.
It’s almost like we should prefer that the Senate convict POTUS of… uh, what did he do wrong, again?
It’s a wonder these guys get ANYTHING done…. (It’s a Rhetorical Question…)
Since we know that both Biden and McConnell are deeply compromised by their connection to Communist China. Then Schumer must be connected to Communist China but how?
they have a bubble around Schumer and they seem to protect him the most
as you never hear anything about his dealings or even his net worth for that matter
The only good news is that Mitch is getting old.
It’s a shame that those in office most often choose to enrich themselves instead of work for the good of their constituents.
Once again for those not listening: notice that it has been pointed out several times that the process is not legitimate (no presiding judiciary, unprecedented procedure in that 45 is no longer in office) yet the discussion continues to entertain outcomes based on the “rule of law.” Think about that for a bit. The American electorate is letting illegality from the Uniparty to continue by clutching to “rule of law” despite all signs pointing to there is none! None!
I think at this point all signs are pointing to a conviction with the American electorate continuing to roll over and then betting on being able to create some sort of 3rd party (incredibly naive!) in order to come back in 2022 / 2024. I would argue that there is no coming back or fixing this within legal means as we have long past that point; it is irreparably broken!
The verdict was made before the trial.
The statement from the UniParty is clear. The rules/Laws are whatever we say they are. Besides that we want you looking at the trial and not at what we are really doing.
WE have tried for decades to take over the Republican Party. Instead, it has grown more evil; more lies are told than EVER while they run for office. Then, the pivot and back stabbing starts. Somehow name recognition gets them reelected forever, or is it the machines reelect them.
I’m stuck in a planet of the apes movie. This is surreal. We are looking at and discussing things that can’t be happening. Back to the movie.
We are all in the Truman show. Our whole existence orchestrsted forthe entertainment and enrichment of a small group of corporate elites
I’m expecting to see a buried Statue of Liberty
the next time I go to the Beach
It is nothing but a popularity contest. Politicians should not be accorded the right to try and convict a private citizen.
Very dangerous territory the dems are going here. This is horrendously unconstitutional. If they succeed in allowing Congress to try private individuals then we are no better than dictatorships.
If they get away with this, which it seems they will, it upends our entire rule of law and Constitution. FUBAR! RESIST!
The constitution failed us when the SC refused to uphold it..
The Texas Voter Fraud against Pennsylvania. Was it.. cheat away.. no sanctity of the vote..
Box #4 …
I keep hearing about zero chance that Trump will be impeached. Hate to be a pessimist, but I don’t trust ANYONE in DC–especially the Senate.
DC is terrified of Trump and his voters (We the People). I would not put it past the Senate to vote for impeachment–and SCOTUS to refuse to hear the case because…..wait for it….”it’s a political matter that must be resolved politically”.
Your not a pessimist.. it’s reality.
Anyone would be a fool trusting the Uniparty.. they do not represent you or I they represent China.. they are traitors..
No telling what the Pubs will do now that they know they have ALL been outed.
If Schumer agreed to it, it will be unfair to President Trump. McConnell must be aware by now that he has divided the Republican party into 5 people, himself, Romney, Collins, etc, and the rest of the Republican party.
Unless Schumer gets McConnell elected by cheating next election, McConnell will have to find someone else to plot against in a new job.
What about the Special Voting Machines, where they get to choose the winner?
Is the impeachment Sham intended to be a distraction from the stealing of the 2020 election? Look at President Trump on trial and stop revealing the fake election.
Are they attempting, to pull the focus of the public away from the destruction of the American economy by Biden? Look at the trial, not at the destruction.
McSchumerConn – the uniparty twins. I’ll predict the votes before this so-called “trial” even starts. The D’s will vote 50-0 to convict. Romney, Collins, and Murky Lisa (RINO) will vote to convict. Any one want to take a bet that I’m wrong? Its all about Power. The Constitutional Republic as we knew it is dead.
I would add Sasse, plus at least two of: Portman, Burr, Toomey, Shelby (all four not seeking re-election in 2022). If their seats go blue, they couldn’t care less. They will have signaled their virtue, and guaranteed for themselves lots of face time on MSM.
As a wise man once said: “Watch the other hand.” You are spot-on with both comments.
Completlpely unconstitutional.
Partisan dem acting judge.
Dems and Rinos as jury.
Congressional and senate republicans saying president is responsible.
None of them say boo about antifa and blm.
AND
DC still surrounded by troops.
Anybody want to bet me the outcome isn’t already known?
Who could stop them from taking PRESIDENT TRUMP into custody?
Purging the guard would make sense.
In the days of the china virus, why does the PRESIDENT have to be in person?
Everything is done by video.
I say make them get a pretend subpoena to go with their pretend impeachment.
The turtle said “there’s no education in the 2nd kick of a mule.”
What’s changed?
Gov. DeSantis is charged with protecting Florida residents. He has many tools at his disposal. Most importantly, he has lots of spine. And many other America-First governors would assist, if need be.
In Florida not dc.
Is it just possible they realise this fiasco is going to help PDJT, and hurt them, and so are looking at the Constitutionality issue FIRST, to use as an “exit ramp”?
Or, are they attempting to pre-empt one BIG part of the Trump defence teams “strategy” at the outset? Bad idea, because this would force the defence team to focus on the election fraud, more.
Every time they attacked him, they lost credibility and therefore support, and he gained credibility and support.
Is there NO “cost/benefit analyses” that occurs in the upper ranks of the Uniparty?
NOBODY thinking,..
“Plus, “we” prevent Trump from running again, minus we fail, look like fools and worse look like we are persecuting him and he gains support.”
Nobody willing to speak truth to power “Uh, boss this is a REALLY stupid idea!”?
I think your paragraph two is the reason… they want to pre-empt the “impeachment is not constitutional defense”.
To end the impeachment process on unconstitutional grounds would make the Senators look, as you say, foolish.
this is just the first act. Do you really think hate filled crazy Nancy, Biden, and Chuckie Schumer and the DOJ are going to stop when they lose this one? They’ll keep going after Trump with “lawfare”. They hate US, and they hate Trump because he represents US. This won’t hurt Trump with the peep who are paying attention. But as shown in November 2020, you have plenty of Dumbos who believe everything the Media say.
I think they know who the real president is and are loading up in their depends
they need to remove him in any manner before the election fraud noise gets too loud.
they know that pendulum is gonna swing back sooner or later
I don’t think they give 2 shits about how they are perceived by anyone
this vote is already fixed just like the election was.
I absolutely loathe these two, low life, piles of rat ?! Both needed a good ass beating long time ago!
they both need a old-school blanket party
This is not just a Trump impeachment, it is an impeachment of Americans. My heart is so heavy that he is still taking all of this.
I really think that Trump doesn’t care about this impeachment hoax.
Does he have to pay the attorneys himself I wonder?
Good question
This impeachment crap feels personal to me. That may seem silly, but, hey, my President is being persecuted and my vote is worthless.
Doesn’t sound silly at all. IMO, it is personal, destroy him and teach us all a lesson.
It has been a full year of losses for us. We are a nation in mourning.
propaganda Democrat and Republican swamp don’t forget 80million American are stand with MAGA,
several thoughts:
if the impeachment managers call for witnesses, the risk is that FBI will be called to provide evidence that the “riot” was pre-planned well before that day (wrt to Trump’s rally this pretty much destroys the narrative that Trump single handed some conspiracy..
in addition, that FBI evidence will show the composition of “rioters” were a hybrid of participants many of which were not aligned to Trump or the cause. Further, many of the orchestrators coordinated from a central effort to create a narrative that could be lassoed around a MAGA effort.
next…once witnesses are allowed this opens the door to call for specific capitol police to explain WHO and WHY there was a stand down order made…that will be a major risk to the narrative, played ad naseum by the corruptors.
next, if witnesses are not called, then where will the trial jurors seek their evidence?
some (the corruptors) have harped that the evidence and witnesses are the congress members themselves and any other evidence is not necessary. This notion asserts that the witnesses are officials who are right now members of a impeachment jury, some of whom actively participated in impeachment rules and selection of impeachment president.
if this doesn’t hurt your head, let me explain: jurors CANNOT BE WITNESSES TO A CRIME. and visa versa….Witnesses of a crime are not allowed to be jurors, nor can they be involved in any actions of a court..not even cleaning toilets!
this principle of lawful court procedures is enforced in every single criminal and civil court, codified in statute.
next, the notion that President Trump incited an insurrection is ridiculous on the substance, given there are more reasons with evidence to prove it, his own words URGED STRONGLY that rally participants not break the law, and conduct themselves lawfully. It a giant leap of imaginative proportions (made up) to assert any of his words even come close to intent to the crimes alleged. It’s a straight up mockery.
next, because chief justice has chosen NOT TO PRESIDE over this impeachment makes the entire production a charade and a non-starter.
next, former presidents, not holding any official office, may not be impeached. They may be criminally charged or civil liable in an ordinary court. But they may not be impeached. If the constitution considered this allowable, it would contain that authority. If CONGRESS had considered amending the constitution to make this an option, THEY WOULD HAVE CREATED SUCH LAWS….requiring 2/3 of states to ratify. This never happened for a very good reason: there is no sanity for such a departure from standards lawful obedience to constitutional limits to former officials. They had their chance. They blew it. attempts to jump over constitutional limits and pretend they do not matter is more than just a legal mistake. it is anarchy. These people are playing with another brand of fire in pursuing this.
next, how does congress have standing? What harm have they experienced? Where is jurisdiction? It would appear that they possess none of these firewalls against frivolous legal manipulations?
The ONLY way for these people to legitimately claim a chance at normal legal recourse is to file a criminal or civil case in a court. And it will be tossed for MANY reasons and thresholds they will never meet!
Next, President Trump NOW has the opportunity to file a civil suit against specific members and the entire congress for this set up. He really can do that? and he would probably win! He only has to show harm..(easy..) and that the proceeding was legally corrupt (it is)…
just imagine, filing suit against congress, winning a 5 billion dollar prize on harm.
and investing every single penny of that deserved compensation of harm to create the infrastructure that a new third party can depend on: social media platforms, PAC’s, campaign infrastructure, data mining company that are public facing to expose corruption, and red white and blue hats that flash with led lights powered by Keystone pipeline oil.
in every crisis, there is opportunity. President Trump is many things, but a street fighter is when he is exceedingly superior.
I suspect he will use this shampeachment to gain new power.
the irony of this shampeachment is that these corruptors are given Trump and his supporters even more media time and a power and a time for free.
we will take that. and we will use it.
idiots.
“FBI will be called to provide evidence that the “riot” was pre-planned well before that day”
You are assuming that the FBI would provide truthful testimony. Haven’t you read how they lie to a FISA court?
You are assuming that they still have the evidence.Evidence gets misplaced.
Or destroyed.
I do not share your faith. You are assuming that the the untarnished rule of law still exists for everyone in this nation.
General Michael Flynn is my number 1 example that it does not.
I agree…and perhaps I was not clear…yes, I was not.
the point is that if congress rules no witnesses, then this impeachment cannot be “proven”.
the problem they are left with is dealing with the unconstitutional unlawful reality that proving guilt requires evidence..witnesses.
if the argument (which has been repeated numerous times by schumer, pelosi and others ) ARE officials in congress, who are also members of a jury to this trial, then they can be either witnesses, or jury…but not both..and to the point, they can never be jury even if they are not named witnesses. the reality is that this is a fundamental flaw in the entire premise framework these jackals have developed.
further, once the video recordings are played as evidence, it becomes obvious the timing issue….many have lost this sight picture. The words spoken by President Trump and the coincidental actions of the “riot” are not related. One cannot connect the two, because the law of physics would need to be proven violated. Democrats are many things, but they cannot shift planck time. as much as they would like to time marches to a well understood regulation well out of their control. So the entire narrative falls apart if they show video. Again, pointing to the “need” to showcase witnesses who will testify to some other action to support their claims.
so, going with the logical reasons they will draw on witnesses in order to establish a connection, this opens the door for both cross exam of those witnesses AND also calling other witnesses….of which I would presume would be:
FBI…to show how this “riot” was coordinated…and what and why it organized to a specific purpose of action well before the rally. Understanding that if the FBI has open cases, they may very well concede in not speaking to the details. But it also works the other way also. In future cases, by asserting specific details about any participant may injure future cases they may want to pursue.
Capitol Police…same situation…they could provide testimony, but how much they actually provide will be curtailed by both politics (the stand down orders were followed), and also by the same “open cases” debacle.
essentially, we expect the FBI and capitol police to not provide key evidence that demonstrates provable guilt of a crime untowards Trump. The timing things becomes the counter argument. And if they fold on addressing in, then THAT becomes the path for argument that President Trump guilt cannot be proven…standard legal 101.
I know there is very likely to be corrupt actors called as witnesses. I accept this will happen. We do know what kind of enemy we are dealing with. The is no end to corruption they will not put into play.
But the thing about corruption is that it can be taken apart….shown to be incomplete and untruthful.
so in many ways I am looking forward to this shampeachment for a variety of reasons.
the american people need to see another set of examples of the sheer corruption within congress to pervert the law.
to realize these are the same people “writing” law.
that alone is worth the value of watching the shitshow.
this manufactured crisis has created yet again another opportunity.
we shall take it also.
Hey, thanks for the clarification & elaboration. Sometimes writing is elusive when you do not have a proofreader!
Blog entries are not meant to be written like a doctoral thesis. However, we still have to excercise care before putting something into print. Case in point – look how much heartache and misery have happened just because of an impulsive tweet.
I have caused myself problems with reactionary texts that were upsetting to a woman, just because something was not going exactly how I wanted it.
Romans 8:28 KJV
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
How can there be a fair and honest impeachment trial of someone who is not a federal official, President or otherwise? It is not even legal / constitutional.
So, when will Schumer and McConnell work on the impeachment of President Obama for inciting the BLM riots and the BLM activist who shot 12 Dallas Police Officers and killed 5 of them based on the Ferguson “Hands Up Don’t Shoot” hoax???
Wanna bet the are going to put in anonymous voting?
It sure worked well with Cheney
The President’s Brief, as posted on GAB.
https://www.45office.com/images/uploads/Final_Trump_Trial_Memorandum.pdf
How can the Senate “decide” if something is “constitutional” or not? Isn’t that what courts (especially the SCOTUS), are for?
It is not well known, but all 3 branches can chime in on issues of constitutionality. However, over time, the other co-equal branches of the government have relinquished power and deferred to the Judicial branch.
Will Leahy be wearing a kangaroo head mask? Someone should set one on his desk.