Parler CEO John Matze appears on Sunday Morning Futures with Maria Bartiromo to discuss Parler.Com being deplatformed by Amazon and Big Tech.
Beyond the issues with Amazon controlling the server system for Parler, Mr. Matze outlines how the interior tech network, architecture and all subsidiary vendors notified Parler of their walking-away at the same time as the server notification from Amazon.
https://youtu.be/R9ZGPUwmK5Q
This interview about the challenges confronting Parler contains some context for the move CTH was able to accomplish in less than two weeks in November. Remember, not only did we have a time crunch, we were also determined to be anti-fragile with CTH 2.0
The key to Treehouse 2.0 was/is recognizing we are building something within a system that wants to see us removed. Being proactive made us better stewards for our conversation. Remember, YOU are the important part.
Despite some tech issues with the disconnect and migration from WP/Automattic servers to our own proprietary server system, we succeed. God and Angels on our shoulders.
Some background reminder so everyone can understand the big picture issues. Obviously WordPress/Automattic wanted us gone; however, in hindsight the unspoken purpose and motive behind our eviction is now making a lot more sense.
Based on insider information, there were two distinct issues that merged; sunlight upon them is against the interests of massive multi-billion dollar organizations, but at CTH the truth has no agenda, so here’s the inside explanation as it appears.
♦ Ideology – As they said in their post-election notification to deplatform, the “content” of CTH was against the terms of WordPress/Automattic:
…”given the incompatibility between your site’s content and our terms, you need to find a new hosting provider and must migrate the site by Wednesday, December 2nd.
This is not really a surprise as Big Tech looks for any obtuse or obscure reason to silence voices that are not in political alignment with their goals.
The decision by WP/Automattic is not surprising even if they would never publicly admit it. Quite simply, this battle has been going on for years and now it is at an inflection point. Alternates to the grip of Big Tech are starting to emerge, slowly.
♦ Business – In addition to the ideological nature of the motive, there is another element which has gained significant clarity in the past few weeks. Our CTH community did something WP/Automattic never expected… we were too successful.
The scale of the CTH reader and commenting community literally was/is a rebel alliance reeking havoc inside a host network that didn’t like our voice. Simultaneously, we were chewing up massive amounts of their server space and capacity. This is very interesting.
According to insiders who have reached out and shared their opinion, what CTH evolved into is far more than a simple blogging community. Essentially the metaphor provided is this: “you took a blog platform and built a mini FaceBook social media enterprise within it.” The CTH community, our extended global family of ragtag misfits, was/is using CTH as a network of like-minded friends to share and discuss information.
You might say well, isn’t that what a blogging community is all about… and the answer eleven years ago was a simple: yes. However, our assembly became much, much, much larger than a simple community.
The scale of having up to 25,000 simultaneous users is way beyond a simple blogging platform. CTH became a social media enterprise. Discussions, information sharing, networking and contact with each-other is what social media was all about.
The FaceBook social media model is essentially operating in our site. That’s an awesome outcome, but one WP/Automattic did not expect. In essence CTH hijacked the platform to create a social network.
All of that engagement costs the host (WP/Automattic) server space and massive amounts of bandwidth. Despite my paying for their hosting services (business plan), we were essentially living cheap, almost rent free, inside their platform. Once we realized this was also an element of concern, some prior work by WP/Automattic to control CTH made sense.
There is an interesting conversation happening in the coffee shops of Big Tech about this issue… WordPress/Automattic can never admit the unique financial problem that CTH created for them.
The business model for WP/Automattic is to sell the potential outcome of exactly what we achieved. WP/Automattic pitches their business plan by saying you can build a blogging community and share your voice.
Well, we took them up on that offer ten years ago and we built the biggest community within their system; a massive community. We did exactly what the marketing people at WP/Automattic say is possible… except we did it bigger than they ever imagined. Our success at achieving the scale of community created a problem they can never admit.
If WordPress/Automattic were to be honest now about the financial impact of users -like CTH- achieving success, they would be undercutting the entire marketing/advertising plan of their hosting platform.
The honest sales approach from WP/Automattic would be to say: we can provide you a platform, up until you achieve significant success; and then, it is in our financial interests, for you to leave. Obviously WP/Automattic would never sell their product if they were honest… so they look for reasons, any reasons, to control or eliminate the community. THAT appears to have been a big part of what drove their decision.
It was not a surprise that WP/Automattic kicked-us out immediately after they went into the market to get more money to expand operations. CTH was costing them money, perhaps a lot of money. As a consequence not only were they hosting a voice against their ideological interests, that voice was so big it was costing them money. Combine both factors and you get the insufferable excuse “your content” is against our interests.
Believe me, this financial ‘cost to host‘ issue is a big topic in the background of conversations in the tech industry. The hypocrisy of selling a product they do not really want to see succeed is a very interesting conversation. Sunlight upon this motive in the world of tech is kinda funny. The Automattic members can never allow this to be widely known; but the people within the machinery know exactly what the issues are.
♦ So, what does that mean to CTH 2.0? Well, we have a big server network hosting us right now – and it ain’t cheap (by a long shot). To give you an idea of how unique this situation is, they cannot calculate cost until they see the Content Delivery Network (CDN) data-results for scale.
This is uncharted territory. Our commenting community, specifically the number of simultaneous users, is essentially like a mini Facebook inside their server network. No-one has any idea how to manage this outside of pre-existing social media platforms that generate millions/billions in upfront revenue and construct proprietary and dedicated server farms.
It’s a good problem.. so everyone says.
It’s a good problem from the perspective of those who would love to monetize our network/community. However, that is not the purpose of our assembly.
To the extent our community will need money to securely exist and thrive safely, publicly and with privacy protections on an independent platform, that is ok. However, we will not collect any data on users at any time. The true value in our community is our fellowship and the search for the truth.
https://deadline.com/2021/01/parler-ceo-says-service-dropped-by-every-vendor-and-could-end-the-company-1234670607/
Jackphatz…I am/was on Parler and John Matze put out message it would be few days before up again- at the most.
We shall see what happens. Treehouse still first place I go for info-we still have our Refuge here.
There is an incredible business opportunity out there for people. PR, lawyers, business, media, etc. MySpace was replaced by Twitter. It happens. And conservatives should be infiltrating institutions. Become undercover brothers changing things from within. Instead we quit and go home. Pu$$ies!
I just read that article, and I was looking at the comments. I am so sick and tired of people on the Left thinking there was some party “switch” and they are actually claiming they were the Republicans, party of Lincoln, and we were the Democrats, party of the Confederates and KKK.
My ancestors were all Northernors, my parents were both Republican from Iowa and Ohio. It drives me crazy there was this “switch” they claim, how’s come none of my family ever switched? The only ones who switched was an uncle in a union and his family followed suit.
This is what commie professors teach them. They think they were the Union and not the Confederacy!
My ancestors were Union soldiers!
My grandma told me a story about her grandma, hiding her horses, “The Rebels are coming” and she went deep into the woods with then, and there comes a solder and she told him, “Mister, the Rebels are coming, you better hide your horse!” He told her, “Don’t worry, little lady, they won’t hurt you.” The story is later realized that soldier was actually a Rebel soldier.
Wanna freak out a liberal relative you still converse with?
Invite them to watch “the help” about a young girl in Alabama, who interviews “the colored” help (domestic servants aka maids) for a book she is writing.
They may have heard of it, seen it and probably LIKE it.
Y’see it doesn’t say, anywhere in the movie, what political party the protaganist and antagonist are.
Then point out the obvious; the protagonist daughter and her mother are Republicans, and the antagonist is a Democrat.
The antagonist says she has the support of “the govenor” for what she is doing, trying to get a law passed, requiring seperate bathrooms for blacks in residential homes.
The govenor at the time was George Wallace, 2 term DEMOCRAT Govenor.
If they don’t get up and storm out, fingers in ears and saying “Can’t hear you, wa wa!” you can use the opportunity to give them a history lesson.
Abe, Republican
Martin Luther King, too.
First Blacks in Congress, too.
Voting on Civil rights legislation, etc.
Turn that whole flipped history over.
Oh, they say it was Nixon’s “southern strategy” that flipped everyone suddenly. They are so full of it.
This is too complex to fully get into here, but party affiliations changed as culture and the economics of the rural south began to change. The vote pattern of blacks migrating to the Democrat party began – and you see this at a precinct level – back during the depression out of economic necessity. Their votes were simply bought by the party of the KKK.
Meanwhile, as the 60’s rolled into the 70’s, many Southern white Democrats were alienated by the Democrats’ post ‘68 association with the counter culture left, the anti-war movement, etc. As the next two decades passed, the middle and upper middle class south began to emerge and saw a Democrat party at odds with their economic interests as well. Racial attitudes changed according to the culture.
The racist, segregationist South didn’t leave the Democrat party so much as the Democrat party abandoned traditional morality, god, sexual restraint, entrepreneurship, patriotism, support for the military, etc.
The Democrats were the same people then that they are now.
We can only hope CTH is big techs cancer.
I see this big tech BS about impeachment and removal on Al Gores internet. they are nutz!
1 Pelosi will impeach Trump
2 Senate would need unanimous consent from 100 Senators to take it up. Never happens
3 That wont happen before the new Congress and after Trump leaves.
4 Impeachment is for office holders. Trump will be a private citizen if schumer takes it up
5 Trump cant be banned from holding Federal elected office again once he is a private citizen
6 Trump is also free to hold any state elected office if he wants.
I absolutely love the Branco cartoon!
Garrison..and I love that there is no CheetohFace.
did you hear the ? Roosters ? in the background?
What’s the H stand for in the lower left corner? Hollywood?
I like the cat saluting!
It looks like the History Channel logo to me.
Uncle Sam’s top hat.
Now THAT is something.
Wow. Even the legal people bailed. I don’t know how we’re going to survive this unless Trump stays in office and starts locking people up.
Just like there is no excuse for POTUS to not have better prepared for the inevitable steal, there is no damn excuse that this CEO guy from Parler did not prepare for This. Are people really that naïve ? I dont think so. There is a chance hes actually in on it because how the hell can you be that stupid? Either that or he must not truly know or want to know who the enemy is or what someone with that kind of power can potentially do. Now he can go out of business? Well then you deserve it fool.
Not everyone can be as brilliant and foresightfull as you.
Thanks for noticing. So easy even a reub can do it. And Ive been doing it since 2013. Cant make this stuff up.
Don’t be a snotty prk.
Dont be an emotional brown nose
Hind sight is the first thing you see, when you jerk your head outa yer *ss.
Not wanting to put words in anyone elses mouth, but I would have commented EXACTLY like offcoarsenation, except I would have included a SARC.
Hubris, excessive EGO, blinds people to their limitations.
Attack!! Sounds like you own stock in Amazon. I saw you coming from day one. As you were…Say high to Alexa for me
Nobody is perfect Richie.
Including President Trump.
I don’t know how long you have been around. But, I suspect I’ve been around a lot longer.
In my lifetime I have never seen a politician, especially president, achieve as much positive things for the American people in such a short period of time with so many forces against him.
Have a nice day and bless your heart.
Richie, Pls let this go it’s not helpful at this time.Everybody is a little stressed right now. The Republic is hanging by a thread & the sharks are circling. Is it really helpful to the task at hand? Your insults betray many weaknesses and much venom.Go play in the street till mommy calls you for nap time.
Why you all attacking him for speaking his mind?
Youre no better then a triggered leftist mob.
We are headed into uncharted territory. Parler had not been attacked as CTH was.
Most people miss the lesson that once they come for your neighbor and you say nothing it isn’t long before they come for you and there’s nobody left to say anything.
Ive been telling everyone that would listen since midway through Obama. And thats just a a commoner like myself who would simply find ways to remove google and co. from my life. But how someone who invests everything into an operation and not consider a worse case scenario like this apparently does not know who the enemy is/was. It is that simple. Better late then never? or maybe too late. I may be wrong but isnt the entire Internet now “Owned by Private Companies,” Which Means There is Nowhere to Run.
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Remember when Obama gave away the internet?
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/13/obama-gives-away-internet-and-it-our-liberty/
Agree! Agree agree agree! I run my own webservers. I don’t do “cloud”…
This is the equivalent of setting up a multimillion dollar manufacturing business in physical premises you don’t own or at least have an airtight long-term lease on. It’s nuts.
Thank You
Good point. I forgot about what Obama did to the internet.
Well Gab was the first back in 2015/16. But no one care or even thought that it could happen to them.
There is a children’s book, The Terrible Things, using forest animals as an allegory to the holocaust. It says exactly what you’re saying.
Yes people really are this naive. So many already are living with their entire lives, every aspect of their beings, able to be monitored and screwed up by not government, but socially retarded sociopath tech organizations. What they buy, what they do, what they say, what they own, where their money is, who their friends and family members are, their DNA forgsake… their garage door openers, their thermostats, even what’s in their flipping refrigerators… “sync” everything… put it all “for convenience” (really? really?) on the smart phone or in the cloud… “Alexa, fill the dog’s waterbowl”.. It’s insane. Insane, naive, and ultimately completely unnecessary and not actually life-enhancing.
Thank You
Need to have an escape plan
Wait theres more!
How Parler CEO John Matze married ‘Russian he met during her US road trip’ before founding ‘free-speech’ platform that is now bankrolled by conservative donor Rebekah Mercer and used by MAGA fans
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9132371/How-libertarian-Parler-CEO-married-Russian-met-road-trip-founding-platform.html
AND-I bet you 110-1 that the big tech guys are FURIOUS that Parler collects people’s data!
Thats a privilege ONLY accorded to Tw!tT3R and Farcebook!
How dare Parler!
How dare they!
Thats OUR domain sucking up data!
Also what about a new platform –name it “Twaddle”–that’ll get their knickers ina knot!
Here is Matze’s Russian wife!
I kid you not.
Taking the pi$$
Im just glad Dan Bongino is co-owner
Many people are in denial. Just like you have people that think that 2022/2024 they’ll get the house and senate back. A lot of people can’t believe what’s happening since well, our constitution protect us so hence denial.
agree. If we are to get anything back , we will need to take back the Media first.
Your crystal ball for predicting this is astonishing. How could Parler have not prepared for this?
LOL!
Good Question. Maybe hes on to something.
I think they have been looking at other options, just hadn’t gotten everything in place yet. Probably did not think it was going to extend as far as it did, impacting every B2B need.
The whole world is living within a tattered intellectual climate. There are no competent experts. As I wrote in a blog post back in 2013,
“All of this, of course, is happening in the immediate context of a political war, being waged by what I call the Insane Left, upon all those they want to demonize and marginalize in the public mind. The majority of voices you gather information from, particularly the mainstream media (but even the “lukewarm skeptics” in the climate debates), are incompetently and/or fraudulently pretending the system is working as it should–but it is not, and reality and recognition of the objective, scientific truth were the first victims in the war. You cannot stop the insanity if you will not recognize it as insanity, if people will not recognize the system is broken.”
https://theendofthemystery.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-system-is-broken-incompetent.html
We are dealing with an insane mob and cult. President Trump and the Parler CEO were both bent on working within a system they refused to see as totally broken by the insanity brought to power with the election of Obama/Soetoro in 2008. Insanity rules today, as everyone can now see on their own…if they will, but the Insane Left cultists refuse to see the cult-breaking reality.
Even knowing that, I have done no better myself; my blog is on a Google platform, I had no money to do otherwise. My “voice” is weak indeed. My only protection is, my blog is a science blog only, and I won’t take political comments. And by the way, I consider my information, my blog — though it may seem pitiful, with few daily visitors — more important than any other in the world today (it informs the world of the next scientific paradigm, replacing the failed scientific dogma of the past 160 years, now being ridden by the Insane Left into the ground).
This discussion occurred in our home yesterday. I suggested that there are 2 things happening simultaneously:
“The five stages of grief are:
I see a lot of the first three things in social media postings everywhere – especially anger.
I don’t think what is happening is naivete. There is a possibility of collusion.
“To finish off the job, after being hunted down by the MSM for 4+ years,
social media, for whom unceremoniously dumping Trump, after he was their main attraction for years – at least for clickbait – was just a business decision, dressed in some vague set of moral principles, are now simply deleting him.
And people cheer that.
They don’t understand that from now on, as US president you serve at the behest, grace and kindness of the CIA, New York Times and WaPo, but even more that of @jack and Zuckerberg, and not that of the American people.
As the noise about an attempted coup allows Team Biden to slip in Sally Yates, Susan Rice and Victoria Nuland and their whole gang of neocon warmongers.
The entire media focus on Trump served to hide what those people were doing behind the scenes all along.
And now it’s time to duck for cover.
They’re going to try and impeach him again, and then prosecute him, and erase everything he’s done, cheered on by the same media who never told you what a coup actually is.
Because they are a big club, and he’s not in it, and neither are you.
And if you think you can vent an opinion on social media in the future that doesn’t coincide with that of the big club, perhaps you haven’t been paying attention.”
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/01/the-swamp-swallowed-trump/
Ultimately, with appropriate pushback, they may have just anti-trusted themselves. They aren’t “Big Tech without the business.
They are going to be encouraged by the Biden admin and get nowhere in the corrupt judicial system.
God bless Sundance, I have no idea what I’d do if I had lost this place, with all that’s happening now.
Amen,this place is truly ,A Refuge …
The best Site, my favorite
People here:
Thank you for the prayers,they helped greatly.
Clearly the best political site.
Clearly the best commenters.
Aptly named Ashley the last refuge.
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I am really proud and in awe of how CTH maneuvered to enable us to continue to partake of top flight political insights and be able to discuss and share same. A job well done Sundance!
And perhaps is creating the model, for the new social media, that will make faceplant and twatter, go the way of aol and yahoo.
And perhaps thats what they fear; yet another irony. They who tout innovation, fear losing everything they have, because of the “natural” process of innovation that got them where they are, can also take them down again.
Omg, major insight for me, as I am NOT into tech.
They SHOULD have been supplanted, years ago by something better. They have bought up any start ups that could grow to supplant them.
Rebel alliance, indeed Sundance. Well done!
I am just surprised that WordPress gave 2 weeks notice to Treehouse? You would have thought they would have sprung in on Sundance like they did Parler..
Don’t celebrate yet. The big tech will go after DNS servers to block all the conservative sites. Which mean no one can find them. Just watch, it is coming if you don’t prepare for it.
It’s nice to have a safe home for Patriots to gather and speak freely.
Thanks for looking out for us Sundance!
Appreciate your intel on all things flying 😉
Sundance I remember the counter from the old site. I lurked for a long time. Reading and learning! You are THE best teacher.
I was excited when the counter hit 25k…and look at us now!
I do believe in Angels and Miracles …and the timing of 2.0 was a blessing.
Will be paying my Sundance tuition tomorrow morning.
Bless you.
I’m sorry. I think my Joe-mentia kicked in again.
What country are we in?
Could be Nazi Germany. Could be Spain at the high of the Inquistions.
More like Spain in early 1936..
My list, so far, of tech companies to delete/avoid:
For sure! It’s looking like we’ll have to learn Navajo, Morse Code and/or be be unlicensed Ham radio operators to communicate with each other in the future! I would have included carrier pigeons but I have an allergic reaction to BS. (bird s**t or, BIGTECH SUCKS)
I suspect we’ll be seeing anti-trust cases and class action lawsuits in the fairly near future.
Unless they’re outfitted with the latest stealth systems, I don’t think the pigeons will last long against Amazon drones.
You don’t know much about pigeons. They’ve been dodging hawks forever.
Smoke signals? Semifore? (sp?), ASL, lip reading?
Pig latin.
..semaphore.
Smoke signals. Good one, Jorizabeth! I was going to include that but, I smell so much “skunk” weed being smoked in our Northern California neighborhoods now that it’s put a bad taste in my mouth for any kind of smoking.
Also, let’s not forget Pony Express and weather balloons…
Ultimately, if these “progressives” have their way, our only communications will be to far in the future generations by hieroglyphic carvings in our cave dwellings.
It’s ironic that our culture now requires a person to “earn” a college degree to become so highly ignorant, AND WELL PAID!
Invisible ink, using lemon juice to write, and the heat from a bulb or candle to read.
Ravelry?
Never did sign up for most of them, and wish I could get away from Amazon also. Living here in Alaska, and believe it or not, we have no place to shot other than Freddies and Safeway. Don’t mind paying the higher prices if what I want can be found, but even the library here uses Amazon for books and this old lady no longer sees well enough to not use an e-reader and I love to read.
Might as well thrown in Windows OS and Microsoft..
The only one I wasnt already prepared for was Firefox and I should have known better.
For now I use Duck Duck browser on mobile device and Brave on desktop. There is no Duck Duck broser for desktop. I also have Dissenter and Tor ready if needed. Brave started by the Christian who created Firefox and was banished for being Christian.
I just dropped Firefox and switched to Brave as my browser yesterday.
I like it better.
I live this place.
Oh crap…
Well you know what I mean.
Thanks, SD, mods, and tech team.
I think you had it right the first time tangled! 😉 LOL
I LIVE this place too 😉 the only sane spot left on this internment thingy(misspell intentional!).
As a retired English teacher, that is one of the best typos I have ever seen!
Spectacular!
There is a edit button. After you have posted and want to edit something click on the post, in the lower right hand corner there is what looks like a gear, click on it and it says edit, click on it and edit your post.
The 2024 US Election will be run with Microsoft Election Guard on all servers. Give Bill Gates a call and ask who they’ve picked to be President in 2024.
This is not a joke by the way, Microsoft will run the next election.
Nations like Canada have an honest paper ballot, and the US has Trash Electronic Voting.
And we’ll all be able to vote from our smartphones. No ID needed, of course, but you’ll need the phone. 😉
GOD Bless you Sundance, and all of the Treehouse staff, admins, Treepers, etc… !!! Success isn’t as easy as one may think it is, once achieved!
This is CTH offensively built 2.0 for the right reason. I will continue to donate. We find ways, we are Americans, we know.
George Orwell said, “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act”.
To the evermore throwback Dark Ages Democrats, in a time of their lying about just about everything, telling the truth is an act of heresy.
It’s interesting, I find myself wondering if they gave PARLER such a quick death sentence to keep them from preparing or investigating viable alternatives… Using the shockvalue to cause confusion and fear… I’m wondering if they felt YOU were given too long a period to prepare and therefore have survived and are still thriving…
Personally I think they did this to Dan bongino as revenge.
That has been my suspicion all along. They realized too late that by giving Sundance notice they allowed CTH to survive. This way even if Parler comes thru this they will go dark for awhile. Thus losing money and subscribers.
In addition to abandoning google, twitter, facebook, amazon, and apple, by Jan 31, we should also abandon dailycaller.com, pjmedia.com, and breitbart.com.
These “conservative” news outlets have completely abandoned Trump supporters by posing as “white MLK’s” so as to appear respectable to the people who hate us and are rolling out the new domestic terrorism suppression campaign. Why in the world should any Trump support ever visit these sites?
I don’t know where we go for news anymore since they’re all never trump dolts or traitor to traitor to us sites.
I agree. I posted numerous posts, lambasting others for linking to GP, cause it was clicbait,…and it WAS, a year or two ago when I looked at it.
But, someone finally motivated me to look, while searching for a fox news website replacement, and Gateway Pundit has changed for the better.
My a.m. routine, GP to see if theres any overnite news, then AmericanThinker for commdntary on the last day or so’s news, then here.
My exact routine. Hilarious!
Breitbart is terrible.
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I follow CTH, GP and American Thinker with Citizen Press.
What do you mean by white MLKs?
I haven’t been on Daily Caller, the ads are obnoxious, or Breitbart for a while, only saw PJ Media if someone linked to it. What are they saying?
Like Dutchman, I have basically been going to GWP. And I visit thedonald.win as a sort of aggregate.
The Epoch Times appears to be a good news outlet. They have been exposing truths about China that I have not seen elsewhere.
What they are doing is so blatantly illegal it is mind numbing. Think of this as Ford and Toyota owning all the gas stations and announcing that beginning midnight Sunday they will refuse to sell gas to anyone who owns a Chevy. It is a horizontal group boycott and is a per se antitrust violation.
But then, the federal government has not enforced antitrust laws in decades. If they did, they would never have permitted the concentration of servers in one or two content companies, and would have required them to divest the server business years ago. The feds should be in federal court Monday morning seeking an injunction.
Where is Teddy Roosevelt when we need him? Bust ’em up!
They HAD limits on msm media ownership. The % was established by the regulators, not statute.
Whenever a big corp exceeded the % of ownership in a market, they just upped the %.
Rather than blocking the sale, just increase the number.
Thats like traffic cop, that keeps increasing the speed limit, to just above whatever speed you are driving.
we will not collect any data on users at any time.
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That is the only reason I comment.
Free speech requires anonymity, especially today in the age of Cancel Culture.
“Free speech requires anonymity”
Um, that ain’t free speech.
That’s why I use my full, real name…
I rarely comment here but trust this place as you do.
I’m always on a mobile unit, never a pc.
I comment NOWHERE else.
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I use my laptop at home, but I don’t comment anywhere else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2no1VnhJOjg
“And by the way, unlike the fake social media sites, we know that everybody that’s on Parler, because you get certified, there’s a number, it’s actually a very very safe platform, and if you break the law on Parler the FBI can subpoena to get to find out who those people are.
If you break crimes on Facebook and Twitter good luck, good luck trying to find out who they are.”
– Devin Nunes at 1:50 in the above YouTube video titled “Rep Devin Nunes With Maria Bartiromo [Also On Rumble]
If you ask me, this is one of the worst advertisements you could possibly make for Parler since it sounds like a very easy website for the FBI to mass subpoena all Parler users.
No wonder why Conservative Tree House had user privacy concerns about Parler.
Not only that but why is Devin Nunes acting like any FBI subpoena for Parler users would be valid in the first place when you already saw how the FBI mass abused FISA (Foreign Intelligence Service Act) warrants on the Trump campaign without the FBI receiving any punishment for illegally spying on the Trump campaign?
“And by the way, unlike the fake social media sites, we know that everybody that’s on Parler, because you get certified, there’s a number, it’s actually a very very safe platform, and if you break the law on Parler the FBI can subpoena to get to find out who those people are…”
And not just the FBI. Also a Parler hacker. Or employee leaker. Or down the road when company “ideology” changes or it’s bought out, the company. (remember when Google was for free speech?) This is exactly why I am not and never will be on Parler.
Not sure what he means by safe, but I’ll take freedom over safety any day.
Not everyone gets certified… thats either a lie or an ignorant statement.
The nightmare continues……
My husband tells me they won’t give you an account without giving phone # and they’ll call you to verify that the # is real. My sister is not certified and she gave her info.
In order to be certified you need to provide a picture of your actual I.D. Like the way Uber and Door Dash do it.
Like the way Uber does it?
You don’t know what you are talking about.
In the middle of 2019 I lost every customer I had when the Chinese backed-off buying American products in my field.
I did not sell to China. That didn’t matter.
As the supply went up the value cratered to the point there was no profit.
20+ years building a business gone.
I drive Uber & Lyft to keep from going in to savings more than I otherwise would.
Given that, I know for a fact a lot of Uber and some Lyft customers don’t even have pictures in the profile.
Some have other people’s pictures.
Sometimes the people getting in your car aren’t the ride-share customer but people who the customer has set-up a ride.
The pictures that are provided are so small they are virtually useless for verification.
It is incredibly unsafe.
You don’t know what you are talking about.
I think you mis understood his comment. Hes just telling us what the Parler confirmation process is like and comparing it to those delivery services. You have to email them your ID in order to drive for them.
A little less emotion.
Gab doesn’t ask for private personal info. I don’t have an account but my husband does. What Devin Nunes said is alarming to me just give more power to our FBI I don’t think so.
WordPress’ deplatforming was God preparing CTH for such a time as this. I’m continually amazed when I look back at events in time and see His hand acting in them.
Re: the current Social Media coup, it seems as if few Industries perform hazard analysis at all or very well, as they never seem prepared. The Petro-Chemical Industry originated and utilizes a very structured process, HAZOP. HAZOP (which stands for Hazard and Operability) is a way of managing risks. It’s a technique that identifies potential hazards and functional flaws in new or existing systems and processes. You are forced to identify each area for failure, so that you know how to address them if they occur.
https://www.process.st/hazop/
Perhaps we should begin calling Sundance “Noah,” because TCTH is beginning to look like the ark of Truth.
Thank God something compelled WordPress to give Sundance the warning so he could make real changes for safety and privacy and save all content!
Thank you Sundance!
You a truly a national treasure!
Excellent read.
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Rachel Bovard
@rachelbovard
In November, I wrote an essay about the power of corporations, when they collude, to remove Americans from polite society. In January, it’s actually happening.
Corporate Power and the Gramophone Mind
https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/corporate-
Sundance please consider a subscription service so we can help with some of the cost to run the website. I have a few extra dollars now that I can all of my gop memberships. I don’t know what I would do if something happened to this site.
great post!
most of us should have a few extra $ since there is no way the traitor Republicons are ever getting a penny from me.
feel free to click the DONATE button at top of this site
“Sundance please consider a subscription service….”
One of Sundance’s stated principles is: “However, we will not collect any data on users at any time.”
Is it possible to run a subscription service and abide by the above?
Or, rather than subscription, call it a donation COMMITMENT.
You can make a one time donation like now, or a commitment to donate “x” amount/month, for so long.
Might help Sundance with budgeting?
To me subscription implies no pay, no get is thd thing.
A move for Citizen Free Press didn’t go nearly as smooth as CTH. Which just goes to show how all that planning and preparation paid off. Bravo, Sundance!
At least I am not seeing anyone try to make the case that we should not abandon leftwing companies but rather continue buying stuff from them in order to show what wonderful customers we are and not to persecute us. By the way, what is now being done to conservatives was never done to any other major political group in America. And notice who isn’t saying squat. I am not talking Republicans (I expect that) but rather organizations like the ACLU. The left will go full fascist while screaming you are a McCarthyist.
In the meantime, does anyone know if Costco has joined the leftwing fascism bandwagon? I know they tried censoring conservative books way back but I am unaware of any further actions by them. I say this because I am looking around for an Amazon alternative and Costco does have an online ordering and delivery service. However, I wouldn’t be at all shocked if Costco did go fascist if it suddenly had millions of new members join and the left did not demand it immediately reject them. It would be great if we had a real opposition party which could assist alternatives get off the ground and employ campaign style outreach to get all its party members to switch.
Costco is a big, make that YUGE supporter of BLM. Costco is very liberal. They would never support Trump.
I still use Amazon without actually using Amazon.
I find the product on Amazon, check out its rating and reviews, then I go to the manufacturer’s website and order it directly from the manufacturer, cutting out Amazon.
The problem with a lot of this online shopping is finding a place with free returns if it isn’t going to work out.
We’re really running out of places. I can’t stop shopping at Home Depot or Lowes and Menards doesn’t have it all. We’re in a middle of a rehab and I’m sure we’ll need things at times.
Let’s face it, they’ve pretty much taken over everything. So, we basically stop shopping period for the most part.
Shopping has become a nightmare for me because of businesses insisting we wear these masks. We needed a new dishwasher recently. I looked online, then went to Lowe’s and Home Depot to look at them in person because I cannot buy something like that sight unseen. I never intended to purchase from either of those businesses. I use them for looking at things only.
We then went to our locally owned and operated appliance store and bought the dishwasher I liked.
My husband asked me what I would do if the local small business didn’t have the dishwasher I wanted. I said, “Then I’ll buy one of the ones it does have. I’m old enough to know there is no perfect dishwasher, perfect couch, perfect house or even perfect husband. You just make the best of what you have.”
We have discovered Ace Hardware as an awesome option for many things. They are all independently owned I believe. We still sometimes have to go to HD or Lowe’s but we try Ace first.
I’ve been working to find products NOT made in China.
Recently, I was looking for good quality jack stands that were made in the U.S. and I found some online.
I looked on their website and found one of their dealers in my area.
It turned out that the dealer was a small independent business which specialized in hydraulics and pneumatics.
They carried a number of other items that I needed which were also made in the U.S..
I’ve found that there are a lot of these same types of businesses, located in industrial parks, that carry all sorts of home improvement tools and supplies.
You just have to work to find them.
I wish you success in finding what you need.
“I am not talking Republicans (I expect that) but rather organizations like the ACLU.”
ACLU raises concerns amid Trump Twitter ban – Washington Times
3 days ago The American Civil Liberties Union on Friday is raising concerns about social media platforms banning users, in the aftermath of Twitter’s decision to permanently suspend President Trump.
Okay. The proverbial token gesture. Lets see if they put anywhere near as much effort into it as they do supporting leftists. By the way, I suppose nobody is unaware that the ACLU was founded by a communist (Roger Baldwin) who stated “communism is the goal” of the ACLU. This only changed after the mass deaths under communism were exposed.
I did see where ACLU did complain.
Complaining is not the same as suing. The ACLU used to bring suit. Now it only does so in support of leftist causes.
My daughter, in Tulsa, was asked to wear a mask in Costco.
She refused and promptly was given her membership fees back upon request.
She’ll never use them again. ?
I hope you don’t
I actually think the ACLU has put out a statement that banning President Trump was not acceptable. They are pretty lame these days, but I do think they have said something.
Parler is up and working just fine.
There’s never been a better time in history to beat the communist censorship. There are plenty of other technology companies. Some that don’t want to be pushed around too.
No longer. There were posts after midnight, but they went blank shortly after 3 am here in New England.
I just removed everything related to Mozilla Firefox from my computers after they Stabbed US in the back a few days ago… I installed BRAVE Internet Browser and so far it looks pretty good !
KEEP THE FAITH MY DEPLORABLE SISTERS AND BROTHERS !
GOD BELESS POTUS TRUMP !
GOD BLESS AMERICA !
Snailmail,
I had Brave that I uninstalled today and installed Dissenter – kinda copy of Brave but by GAB.
Made this decision based on article I read about Brave supporting left wing causes. Ditto with duckduckgo.
I came across this when I was researching alternatives for Whatsapp using GIBIRU search engine.
GIBIRU is not perfect but I guess I will live with it for now.
Please post citation about “Brave supporting leftwing causes.”
Brave has been a great browser for me for years now. I would not dump them just because of one unsupported comment.
I also am moving off from Mozilla Firefox and am in the process of learning about Dissenter as I have been with GAB for some time now.
My thanks to all that do such a magnificent job here at The Last Refuge.
Did the same today.
Sent them this note when prompted for a reason. Posted it on Parler just before they went down.
I have had Firefox for 12 years. I am now removing it. You have given leave to your senses, and caved to extremists within(and outside of your company. Your disgusting monopolistic authoritarian attack on free speech, and your aiding and abetting of a fraudulent election runs counter to the values of a free, transparent, and fair society. I will be removing your product from any, and all other devices I own. In addition, I will ensure that your product is also removed from our company work stations. And finally I will lobby with vigor my family, friends, and acquaintances to move over to Brave or Dissenter(if they haven’t already. Thank you.
There must always be someone to lead. Otherwise, there will be no followers.
Thank you, Sundance, for clearing the path.
I hope the casual reader here will realize just what you’ve been up against, and what you’ve managed to overcome. It is truly inspirational.
Please, let’s not allow those who wish to undermine your hard efforts to subvert the mission.
Well if they can just cut off servers from the internet, they have the power to shut down anyone. Is that right?
yes
cheering,
You got that right. In a way, I think Amazon dug its own grave with this.
Their AWS is biggest money spinner. Now after what happened to Parler, tell me how many CEOs – big or small – will trust Amazon?
I have been telling this to my colleagues about this but nobody agreed. It will be interesting what they will have to say tomorrow in the AM.
This also now highlights that Amazon is a national security issue considering they have a massive presence in Government’s cloud infrastructure.
And then I start to think…all those people with Alexa in their homes operating devices.
Wondering if they realize what power Amazon has over everything.
Tick Bezos and employees off and everything connected to Alexa on their house starts going whacko all at once !
Would make great cartoon/meme!
It should be plainly obvious by now that this is all one massive reveal. This is THE why to everything you are seeing. The dismantling of ‘the system’ a system that is now clearly out of control. But this is a controlled demolition.
Its not so much about you, if you are informed, its about the millions out there who are being made to sit up and take notice regardless of religion, political affiliation, race or gender. The system that is currently locking you down, forcing you to wear masks, stealing elections, and on and on …is being exposed. That’s it.
Sundance and others are doing a fantastic job of bringing light to all that is happening. People the world over need to see the horror that ‘the system’ truly is. Daily reporting of more and more corruption as more and more become informed. That’s the mission. Get people talking. Get people informed. That’s the “Do something” that’s actually being done, right now across the world. Its becoming harder and harder for anyone to ignore anymore.
And that’s a good thing.
I happened to watch a bit of local, network-affiliated news this morning: Covid19 is the new normal, total delusion.
I wrote that to write this: Information alternatives is just one arm of the needed counter. The mainstream media has to be destroyed. It is one monolithic brainwashed-brainwashing-the-masses operation, since Obama.
It seems so tragic you were facing this debacle with WordPress at the same time that you were trekking the nation with your book of facts about the Coup against the President. Those were two humongous problems! Thank you for being you, Sundance, sooo dedicated to Truth and hosting what REALLY is, for most, if not ALL of us, The LAST Refuge.
Today I chanced upon a blog by Scott McKay. He said there are 190 thousand indictments awaiting the thugs who stole the election, and the space at Gitmo has been prepared to accommodate even more, by military Tribunal. Trump will have the next four years he says, and this is The Plan that has been brewing since 1915. He says not to worry, the perfect script is being followed, and we will be thrilled with the outcome. “It’s gonna get very messy first”, he says, so hang on and stand up to any naysayers! He has a show, Talking Point, in evenings on Revolution Radio you can access on You Tube, until he gets trashed.I don’t have a way to vet what he says, but I stick to him because I so need hope of having President Trump for the next 4 years.
Catch his show here, Brighteon doesn’t censor, drop YouTube as much as possible: https://www.brighteon.com/channels/samckay3?sort=-created_at
While there may be big events in play spiritually, there is no grand plan here to round up the traitors and put them in Guantanamo, much as you and I might like to see that. Anybody can go online and post a video claiming to know things.
it’s good to have hope, but be realistic. They have the government, the tech companies, all major cities, the media, the courts, most if not all of the pentagon, intelligence, law enforcement, and – most damaging- they have the culture. This is the culmination of events and trends that have been taking place since the 1990s. Trump was an accident. A bad joke no one was ever supposed to take seriously. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, 28 years of the installation of what is meant to be a permanent ruling class. Janus, with his two faces. He… no … WE got in their way and they’ve spent the last 4 years openly assuring us it would never happen again.
Our Heavenly Father sees all of this. Trust in Him and Him alone. Repent of sin and Pray without ceasing. He is the 4d chess master. You can’t beat Him, The outcome is already written and he has all the pieces,
Take heart!
Also known as, “The Truth Will Out”.
It was a blessing it happened to the treehouse with enough warning months ago before this new onslaught by the techno-tyrants.
But, wasn’t this predictable for Parler which was swimming with Megladon sharks?
P.S. We did lose Grandma Covfefe – is there a search party?
Zephyrbreeze.
Must of missed it, last nite stillwater shared that grandma is fine, just not joining us. Hoping she returns at some point.
Indeed.
But another major factor in the CTH’s survival was the speed at which Team CTH acted and the amazing people that stepped up to help them in such an under-the-gun endeavor.
I hope CTH is being eternally vigilant.
The Left will not stop unless there is some significant repercussions and from recent events by the courts and the politicians any repercussions on that front seem nil.
Sadly, this does seem to be true. The courts no longer follow the law. It’s rule of man.
Thank’s for the site,I have being reading here for 7+ yrs,my reading skill’s are way above average yet my literally skill’s are poor.I really enjoy your straight foward manor and thought provoking analysis.I first came across this site by a chance meeting with a stanger in a carpark (a fellow outcast) and have past this site to many.
On topic alway’s is Eustice Mullins,the greatest American political writer ever in my opinion,fortold what is happening now yet I never hear him mentioned curios to know why if someone can anwser.
God bless.
Glad you commented. I similarly have a disconnect between reading and writing. I turn off spell check, cause it keeps autocorrecting wrong, and my spelling isn’t perfect, but I can usually make my meaning clear, and people here are pretty understanding.
I understood what you were saying, just fine.
Unfamiliar with that author, but I’ll check it out, thanks for the tip!
Dutchman….. that’s interesting, since you are one of the most prolific and concise posters on here. Sometimes I think we perceive our shortcomings because someone else, perhaps a teacher, told us we had them. As far as I can tell, both you and mungral, posted very clear and concise statements.
Hee-hee…In reading your comment, I saw you as another orphaned kitten, now found refuge and family. Then I saw your screen name, “mungral”. Another bell rung, another angel gets its wings…
I never mentioned Mullins, because I never heard of him; I’m not politically-minded (before 2008, that is). I would bet others have said much the same thing as Mullins, though, since “what is happening now” was foreseeable even by me, watching things over the last 60 years. Now you’ve given me (us) another name to fit into the larger picture.
Welcome, mongrel kitten…
Cheers for your reply Harry,Mullins background is amazing,anWW2 Air Force vet and staff member of the Libary of Congress ( the oniy person to ever get the sack! ) wrote a book in 1952 titled Secrets of the Federal Reserve,no other book has ever been on the subject, he was then subjected to 32 yrs of daily FBI surveillance.
Amongst a mountain of literary tombs in1988 he wrote Murder by Injection,subtitled The story of the conspiracy against America.These books alone hold the answer’s to many many question’s I see posted.of note I was importing these book’s in the 70s and 80s with a prize of 5yrs jail per book! the internet stopped this but it certainly awakened me.
I believe knolledge to be a very important factor in the battles to come.Im 60 myself and feel like 100 yet I will fight heart and soul to defeat my enemy,so your assesment was pretty close so just for a larf a mungral is a crossbred rabid yet faithfull dog but I do like angels and kittens.
Bless ya Harry
I don’t have Facebook and never will. It cracks me up about how CTH became a mini Facebook on WordPress. Closest I’ll ever get to Facebook. Ha!
This is for anyone who has thought my reactionary go-low-tech comments in the past have been over the top:
What are you going to do when banks won’t do business with you (as they did to check-cashing stores and firearm retailers)?
What are you going to do when Apple (the company that allegedly wouldn’t help the FBI with the San Bernardino terrorists for “privacy” reasons) decides that you’ve been bad and suspends your iPhone that has your entire life on it. Because changed “terms of service”.
Do not arrange your affairs such that you are vulnerable.
What are your suggestions regarding banks?
Once I found CTH, I shortly after dropped reading Drudge. I found truth, answers and discussions that give me understanding of events taking place. I really appreciate Sundance and all the voices that give input. I tend to rarely put my two sense in because there are so many more people that have such educated insight.
Maryann,
Please don’t include educated with smart. Two of the smartest men I have known in my 65 years, never went to high school, let alone college.
Add your two cents, its all paft of the mix.
I’m not knowledgeable on this area of IT at all, but is it possible for Parler to run on a platform based in say India? I mention India because they are not happy at all about what is happening –now President Trump is off Twitter , PM Modi of India is the biggest “client” for Twitter..
Obviously it does not have to be India –any country outside the US –could it work?
And do you want to know the funniest thing (imo)
The Left and Demscum are now agitating for Fox to be deplatformed as well
After all Fox did to call the election for Biden early and then many polling sites stopped counting the votes
Talk about Karma
The leftist mob and DemScum will come for everyone
My opinion of faux didn’t change on election night, I havecknown their true nature for some time;
Faux news is for network news, what the RNC is for political parties;
A PHONEY “Conservative Alternative”.
Anyway, my libertard sister, two years ago said something derogatory about Faux, and was shocked when I told her what I thought of it.
A LOT of liberals are fooled by Faux, just as far too many of us were.
Not ever going to rely on Faux news. They blew it–trying to shut the barn door AFTER they let the horses out. They’re pretending not to know they did it. We need to be more discerning about who we support than we have been. I’m suspicious of everyone except my husband, God and Sundance.
…and I’m not too sure about your husband…hee-hee (never let a good straight line go to waste, as Milton Berle would say)
When I was younger I lived in Central Africa.
Local hunters used dried gourds tied to trees to catch monkeys.
They would drill a hole just big enough for the monkey to squeeze its hand into and partially fill the gourd with grain.
Once the monkey grabbed a handful of grain, its closed fist was too big to fit back through the hole.
The monkey’s nature prevented it from releasing the grain and the monkey would get caught by the hunter.
Don’t be like the monkey, let go of technology you don’t actually need.
It’s a convenience, not a necessity, and designed to ensnare.
Love that analogy! Just let it go, whatever you can, folks. If it’s hurting you, let it go.
And what you can’t let go, at least put in as much protection on it as you can. Plan for backups.
Super visual analogy of where we need to be. Thanks!
“..you took a blog platform and built a mini FaceBook social media enterprise..”
Most Treepers know I have taken advantage of that part.. it’s all true.. and it wouldn’t be known without Sundance and crew.. and I am grateful..
You all have been so tolerant and lenient.. letting my blogging run free.. Thanks to All..
At it’s peak it was generating some tall numbers.. I was chewing up some chunks of bandwidth.. I had discovered a simple way of counting the views..
And then came the cut.. blocked.. then blocked again.. selectively blocked.. not responses.. only primary posts.. at first I thought it was AdRem.. but it turned out it was not.. it was them..
they had tracked me down..
..they know..
..and I know they know..
..and I think you know..
..you know..
I haven’t forgotten about the special “Sundance” stainless steel straw treasure hunt.. I’ve already picked the spot.. I just gotta get around to it..
it will be fun.. for all Treepers.. but will require a little bravado.. in the meantime.. here’s a preliminary clue..
“..you’re gonna need a bigger boat..”
I can’t believe that no one has replied to this post! Maybe, I’m delusional (I haven’t been sleeping much lately) but is Texian President Trump? Or someone connected to him? Is The Treehouse 2.0 going to become Trump’s new platform?
Is THAT why we were deplatformed before the others?….Because it was discovered? If you all think I’m crazy please be nice when you tell me!
So I just searched for the clue online and it’s a line from Jaws that is said when they realize how big the shark is….
Yup! Recognized the line immediately. 🙂
…crickets…notice?
While I believe the financial aspects played a role, those financial aspects had been going on for some time.
There WAS an ‘uptick’ in comments, in the run up to the election,…but is THAT the reason for the timing of the deplatform notification, JUST before the Steal, when it was essential that they suppress any discussion OF the steal?
Is it possible deplatforming CTH was the “beta test” for what they are doing now,.and they LEARNED;
“Do NOT give them 2 weeks notice, make it 24 hours. We NEVER thought CTH could reconfigure in 2 weeks, but they did.
Also, it is not enough to deplatform. You have to insure NO ONE will give them a home, even pressure their LAWYERS to “fire them”.
The long knives are out, and tough times are ahead.
Some amazing insights into the flawed business model of WordPress, I have long questioned the business models of the internet, now I see one big flaw, I suspect there are others.
“Well, yes we SAID you could grow a robust platform,….but we didn’t really MEAN it,…cause if you do we lose money.”
Lol…
CTH was very fortunate in that WordPress gave a few weeks notice, instead of what Parler is experiencing.
This is the Last Refuge from the onslaught of those who would silence us.
Snips from an article I read on Sunday about the censoring of MAGA sites:
“The CDN and the domain registrar are going to be the biggest hurdles to remaining online, but the other thing is that you’re going to be put on the MATCH list by Mastercard, which will mean that you’re no longer able to do business using any form of Mastercard or Visa. This whole process was investigated and uncovered by Dick Masterson last year.
They will also shut down your bank accounts. Basically, any American bank is just going to send you a letter saying “we’ve terminated your accounts, there is no ability to appeal this.” If you’re a CEO of Parler or whoever, this will also include your personal bank accounts, and possibly the bank accounts of family members.”
They already did the banking block to Andrew Torba of GAB, last year (maybe year before, I don’t remember exactly when).
The first target for 75 million should be Amazon.Com. Canceling prime is the first step. Getting a Roku stick rather than a fire stick, then cancel your account with Amazon and let them know why. 75 million American’s pulling the plug on Amazon would be the shot heard round’ the world.
PARLER JUST WENT DOWN….
12:10 am PST
Since Fox News called AZ I have cancelled cable, Hulu, removed chrome, gmail, WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter, and today I set the reminder to not renew Amazon prime in March. Now using brave.
They won’t care but it saves me $2000 in 2021.
I can’t support these companies any more. I won’t.
I have been wanting to cancel cable for several years but couldn’t convince my husband. The election and all the bs after has finally pushed him over the edge and he has agreed!
Maybe they really don’t care, but as usual, this has backfired bigly. Even my middle of the road husband sees what is going on and is really upset about it.
Danger – The Treehouse is not entirely standalone & totally robust. ISP’s (internet service providers) can stop any website from being seen in an instant. Therefore, it’s important to have a browser that can ‘hide’ your computer’s general location so that any ISP restriction does not affect you.
If necessary, I suggest using TOR browser. https://www.torproject.org/
ISP’s can ban a website in an instant – particularly if government mandated, for example, some countries ban torrent or porn sites. The ISP’s are the ones who push the buttons to make it happen. TOR browser makes it look like you’re from another country and, voila, you have avoided the ban.