An interesting article from the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER) is gaining increased attention as questions about asymptomatic spread of COVID-19, the baseline for all COVID mitigation, is being reconciled with the latest tracing data.
In essence, the larger question being asked is: can people without coronavirus symptoms spread the COVID-19 virus? This question is at the heart of all current COVID mitigation efforts. If there is no asymptomatic spread then what is all of this mask wearing nonsense and shut-down mandates all about?
A research paper published on November 20th highlights a case study of almost 10 million people in China. What the study found was there were 300 cases of Coronavirus in the population being carried without any symptoms at all. So the scientists then tracked the asymptomatic carriers. The contact tracing of 1,174 “close contacts” with the asymptomatic carriers showed ZERO transmission. Not a few, not a couple, but zero -none- not a single transmission of Coronavirus from a person without symptoms.
The conclusion is not that asymptomatic spread is rare or that the science is uncertain. The study revealed something that hardly ever happens in these kinds of studies. There was not one documented case. Forget rare. Forget even Fauci’s previous suggestion that asymptomatic transmission exists but not does drive the spread. Replace all that with: never. At least not in this study for 10,000,000.
[STUDY] … Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated.
No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases. 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.
One might suppose that this would be huge news. It would allow us to open up everything immediately. With the whole basis for post-curve-flattening lockdowns crumbled, we could go back to living a normal life. The fear could evaporate. We could take comfort in our normal intuition that healthy people can get out and about with no risk to others. We could take off our masks. We could go to movies and sports events.
… We keep hearing about how we should follow the science. The claim is tired by now. We know what’s really happening. The lockdown lobby ignores whatever contradicts their narrative, preferring unverified anecdotes over an actual scientific study of 10 million residents in what was the world’s first major hotspot for the disease we are trying to manage. You would expect this study to be massive international news. So far as I can tell, it is being ignored. [More]
In essence, what the study of 10 million people confirmed is what many people, doctors, scientists and World Health Organization already suspected.
Like the common cold and flu when a person is infected with the virus they are only infecting others when they have symptoms: cold, runny nose, coughing, aching, sneezing, fever, congestion etc; hence, when a person has an illness they should isolate to not spread the virus. However, when a person has no external symptoms of the virus, just like the cold and flu, they are not a risk of transmitting the virus to others.
♦ This is a major issue with massive ramifications because all of the current COVID-19 mitigation effort is based on the principle that people can carry and spread the virus while having no idea they have it, and no symptoms.
If asymptomatic transmission is not happening, and it appears with scientific certainty it is not, then all of the current lock-down regulations, mask wearing requirements and social distancing rules/decrees are based on a complete fallacy of false assumptions.
The asymptomatic case study published in November affirms the earlier reporting from the World Health Organization that COVID-19 is only known to transmit from people who are showing symptoms of the virus. In June of 2020, Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the World Health Organization’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said transmission of the coronavirus by people who aren’t showing symptoms is “very rare.”
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As you can see from the video explanation, in June 2020 Ms. Kerkhove could not identify a single study or case that was traced to asymptomatic spread; but scientists still thought it might be possible so she -and others- kept using the “very rare” terminology.
However, with the latest information and a far more lengthy timeline to study the disease, the cumulative 2020 data shows “very rare” actually means “never”, asymptomatic spread just doesn’t happen – EVER.
So why is the entire world engaged in COVID-19 mitigation processes to block the transmission of a virus that has never, not even once, been identified as occurring?
Irish Man Speaks the Truth on Face Masks
John Waters speaks after going to court because he doesn’t wear a face mask.
YOU ARE FREE! TO DO AS WE TELL YOU!
YOU ARE FREE! TO DO AS WE TELL YOU!
Go back to sleep America, your government is in control.
The wisdom of a “common man”. He can read the writing on the wall. It is about the diminishing the individual; to make way for the “collective”. Centralized planning and control is their plan. Competing group identities is how they plan to succeed.
America’s strength is built on individual freedom and it is a unique in human history. The collective will always try to overpower the individual!
Fao Chi
I expect papers get run thru a political filter.
Sadly, nowadays they do. At least in western journals.
ORLY?
So you assholes walking your dogs, jogging, driving in your car, and going about your business while wearing a stupid mask are both A-symptomatic AND declaring your allegiance to a central authority all the while ignoring data to the contrary?
You shitbags should not vote. Further, no one should listen to a damned thing you say!
KMA.
Strong letter to follow.
No FLU reported anywhere . But increase cases of Covid.
I read somewhere the flu is down 98%! Seriously,.
What a fricking joke.
Yup!
They are hijacking the flu and calling it Covid in order to keep the scam going: Has Covid killed off the flu? Experts pose the intriguing question as influenza cases nosedive by 98% across the globe https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8875201/Has-Covid-killed-flu.html and CDC Suspends Data Collection for the 2020-2021 Flu Season: https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/cdc-cancels-flu-for-2020-21-season/ (obviously they are not counting flu cases because they are trying to hide the fact that they are calling flu cases Covid).
They get 5000 dollars for each covid case and 0 dollars for the flu…
Through 10 weeks in AZ down 96% from last year and 90% for long term average.
So is heart disease and cancer?
This is a link to the archived content of the presentation by the John Hopkins statistics professor that was pulled almost immediately as it clearly was not ‘on message’. It answers your questions in spades.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
Because flu testing is simply not being performed. It might pick up some in the next month, but don’t count on it.
That’s the miracle of COVID. It killed the fly. s/
I read that they are still counting gun shot deaths as Covid. At this point; I trust no one!
OMG, the death of the Secret Spreader. I know many who will not take this news well. They live to be in fear of the Secret Spreader.
Oh my goodness, I am so glad someone else put that movie together with this scamdemic!
Told my hubby I was going to add a note on the back of all our Christmas cards this year –
Wuhan Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
He didn’t get it, but I was laughing pretty darn hard all by myself.
Sometimes I just have to do that!
Seen this before and…
I want to believe it because A) it is in line with what we know about every respiratory virus ever and B) though not a scientist I suspect it is true.
The problem is I’m reluctant to believe anything coming out of China or W.H.O.
This covid psyop is based on scientific fraud with the PCR tests. Many doctors (Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, the doctors with the German Corona Investigative Committee, Dr. Michael Yeadon) have called this a PCR pandemic rather than a true pandemic. They are using the scientifically fraudulent PCR test, which has high false positives (89-94%) to create the illusion of a pandemic. People are getting sick from the same things they’ve always gotten sick from,but everything is being misdiagnosed and called covid because of the fraudulent test.
They changed the procedures for determining cause of death, in order to inflate the death count, which only scare the population and offers continued (fraudulent) justification for the lockdowns:
CDC Now Admits 94 Percent of Covid Deaths Had “Another Cause of Death” https://www.globalresearch.ca/cdc-says-94-covid-deaths-had-underlying-condition/5722646 “The 2003 guidelines for establishing death certificates had been cancelled. “Had the CDC used its industry standard, Medical Examiners’ and Coroners’ Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting Revision 2003, as it has for all other causes of death for the last 17 years, the COVID-19 fatality count would be approximately 90.2% lower than it currently is.”
***Must Watch OAN documentary on fraudulent death count: https://www.oann.com/one-america-news-investigates-america-open-for-business/
Coronavirus Con Job: An Exposé of the Exaggerated Death Narrative https://www.vaccinesandchristianity.org/2020/04/14/coronavirus-con-job-an-expose-of-the-exaggerated-death-narrative/
***Johns Hopkins University Reveals Manipulated Covid Death Figures https://www.sott.net/article/444898-Johns-Hopkins-University-Reveals-Manipulated-Covid-Death-Figures “The total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19. The CDC classified all deaths that are related to COVID-19 simply as COVID-19 deaths. Even patients dying from other underlying diseases but are infected with COVID-19 count as COVID-19 deaths. This is likely the main explanation as to why COVID-19 deaths drastically increased while deaths by all other diseases experienced a significant decrease. All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers. We found no evidence to the contrary,” Briand concluded. (no excess deaths, no evidence of a deadly pandemic)
So, when do we start rounding up the guilty parties and begin the public executions? The sooner the better as far as I’m concerned.
Plus this from Mercola.com on the Portuguese lawsuit.
Portugal Rules Quarantine Based on PCR Results Is UnlawfulIn related news, an appeals court in Portugal recently ruled20,21 that the PCR test is “not a reliable test for SARS-CoV-2” and that “a single positive PCR test cannot be used as an effective diagnosis of infection.” Therefore, “any enforced quarantine based on the results is unlawful.”22
The court also noted that forcing healthy people to self-isolate could be a violation of their fundamental right to liberty. The case was brought by four German tourists who had been forced to self-quarantine after one of them tested positive.
Several scientific studies were brought forth as evidence in this case, including a September 28, 2020, study23 in Clinical Infectious Diseases, which found that when you run a PCR test at a CT of 35 or higher, the accuracy drops to 3%, resulting in a 97% false positive rate. The court ruled that, based on the science presented, any PCR test using a CT over 25 is unreliable.
I like that they said quarantining based solely on the PCR test is unlawful. Will somebody in the USA wake up. We now have to play catch-up to Portugal. No disrespect to Portugal. At least Florida is now requiring Covid testing labs report the number of cycles on the test reports.
I kinda go along with those who say China is all in for Joe so wants to help him end the epidemic of mask wearing and lock downs. How else will commie Joe pay for all the promises to start paying China again for their treachery and all the illegals that will flood in.
See my comment above.
The data has shown for quite some time that Covid has been overhyped, yet people are still clinging to the masks. I think it’s because they just want to wear them.
When my husband and I go out, 85% (mostly millennials) wear masks. I think there is a generation raised on social media that just want to hide behind the masks, like they hide behind their computers. No face to face interaction, don’t have to smile and be human, just walk around like unidentifiable bots, no different than being online. They want to believe there is a pandemic and they want to wear the masks.
I love it when they (millennials) glare and snarl behind their masks. What really upsets them is if they suddenly see that you’re not wearing one, and you’re within a couple feet of them and you gently, and very softly, say Boo!
In many states HCQ isn’t available PERIOD. Pharmacists can’t fill such prescriptions, Doctors can’t write them. If you live in a blue state you probably can’t get it in-state though you might be able to go elsewhere for it.
It tells you something that it’s the blue states where it’s unavailable.
The protocol was HCQ + Zinc + Z-Pak. The HCQ is an ionaphore that makes the cell membrane permeable to Zinc. Zinc can inactivate viral particles. The Z-Pak is an antibiotic to deal with possible secondary bacterial pneumonias. You can use Quercitin as the ionaphore. Quercitin is still available at Amazon.
I take quercetin as an ionaphore with zinc, easily available online.
Gives new meaning to “Apple a day…away” as its in apples. Also even more importantly upped my Vit D
Exactly right.
These articles consider an alternate point of view why antibiotics that kill bacteria seem to be working to combat C C P virus and anti-virals are not. C C P virus may be more bacterial TB-like rather than virus corona-like. A virus requires a host like your cells, whereas bacteria are the host and bug all in one. Very intriguing IMO.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0337-y
https://www.academia.edu/43416919/How_BCG_Vaccination_Trials_Might_Finally_Unlock_the_Many_Mysteries_of_COVID_19_
Walt39 I’ve heard that also, however my wife takes it due to allergy issues. We’re in a blue state in the middle of the Pacific. Many doctors here are prescribing it now. Thank goodness.
Dr Fauci has always been a fraud. He should not be singled out for this because almost everyone who works for the Gubmint is just as much a fraud. To eliminate fraud in the bureaucracies, the bureaucracies will have to be eliminated so the bureaucrats cannot be part of our Gubmint anymore. Since the Tennessee Valley Authority, in 1991, no bureaucracy has been eliminated. Only making the bureaucrats the first enemy targets, in a violent uprising, would eliminate any bureaucrats from the Gubmint.
By the way, I recently read that the TVA may get resurrected to help bring high speed internet and more cell towers to the areas where the poor live. This should give the TVA at least another 75 years of life. FUBAR
Trump fired the TVA guy; who was the “highest paid government employee” in the country.
Well most of us thought that very rare was very close to zero in the beginning of this fiasco.
And, because of “push-back” from the medical community, the WHO “clarified” the good doctor’s statement the next day to say that it is not, “very rare” really, just need to do more studies. I guess everyone is considered “pre-symptomatic”…
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They lost me awhile ago at “asymptotic super spreader”.
Everyday we read MORE reasons to suspect China for just about every type of nefarious activity and manipulation of information, but NOW we’re expected to take THIS as gospel?
“ A research paper published on November 20th highlights a case study of almost 10 million people in China.”
Confirmation bias seems to have overcome clear thinking in this instance.
No gospel belief for me BUT China does love Joe and wants to help him.
No science. People in authority lie.
Was out and about today and the sheep are being obedient with the mask wearing. Unlikely they’ll object to getting a needle in their arm either.
Amazing what an apathetic, complacent and lazy society we’ve become. Don’t Tread On Me has been replaced with “I’ll Do Whatever I’m Told”.
I know; I am so disappointed in the American people..
[“America is a beautiful idea that draws immigrants like myself from all over the world to the promised land of equality, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This idea is now under siege and certain events are starting to remind me of the things many of us came here to escape… It’s not a “left against right” problem but an evolutionary problem. The growing pains of a civilization that without the necessary spiritual enlightenment, arrived a bit early to a level of technology where everyone is connected. The good news is that now everyone has a voice. The bad news is that now everyone has a voice. So we are living in the manipulators’ paradise, where liars and hypocrites run unscathed, the news are just opinions, politics are a blood sport, and facts are determined by consensus instead of the truth. We as artists, however, have a unique opportunity to portray and ridicule the absurd to prevent it from becoming reality.
– Zoltan Bathory”]
Living The Dream-
Five Fing Death Punch
Captain America, are you off to fight the bad guys?
Hey, mighty Superman, can you save us from ourselves?
Hey, Mr. Universe, can you lift us up above this?
‘Cause I’m just Iron Man, I’m a ghost within a shell
Take a look around
Just look around
They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions
Why did they never mention what’s real and in between?
It seems the path we’re on was paved with blood and sorrow
No thought about tomorrow
Just part of the machine or so it seems
Yeah, so it seems
We’re all living the dream
We’re all living the dream
Hey there, Your Majesty, is there anyone above you?
It must be lonely when you’re up there looking down
Hey, Lady Amnesty, there’s no one that can judge you
We’re all just broken toys beneath your crooked crown
Take a look around
Just look around
They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions
Why did they never mention what’s real and in between?
It seems the path we’re on was paved with blood and sorrow
No thought about tomorrow
Just part of the machine or so it seems
Yeah, so it seems
We’re all living the dream
Take a look around
Just look around
They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions
Why did they never mention what’s real and in between?
It seems the path we’re on was paved with blood and sorrow
No thought about tomorrow
Just part of the machine or so it seems
Yeah, so it seems
We’re all living the dream
We’re all living the dream
We’re all living the dream
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1340739260790362113
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The phase 3 testing for each of the big 3 vaccines was based on suppression of symptoms. The end point was to reduce hospitalization. The CEO’s of each said they hoped (believed) that it would reduce transmission but they didn’t set up the tests for that.
spoiler: ALL VACCINES for ALL corona virus are based on suppression of symptoms!
the RNA isn’t killing you. It’s the symptoms!
symptoms: when a RNA virus begin replicating in numbers that overwhelm the immune response and triggers a tipping point where the immune response begins killing everything and burning everything down!
spoiler number 2: the mRNA type vaccines are unique and novel. They use the human body as the bioreactor and the idea is to push the immune response to target ONLY a specific part of the RNA virus (the corona tip) that latches to the ACE2 receptor. By doing this, the idea is that the human immune response will have “memory” established to target ONLY that part of the RNA virus and thus not go nuclear on anything else. the idea is sound, the fact that never before has a mRNA vaccine ever been used on a human being is yet to be studied long term. a 90 day “phase 3” is not adequate, given that normally a phase 3 requires around 2-5 years of long term consistent reliable studies to look for contraindications. I will NOT be getting this vaccine…I’m going to wait. I have a very bad feeling about mRNA. No one really know what may happen long term. There are already some issue noted. Bells….and severe allergic reactions in a few cases…for otherwise very healthy people, some of which have never experienced any history of allergic reactions! I speculate it has to do with the enhanced PEG compound used to dope the mRNA vaccine to give it “staying power”.. While PEG is used in many over the counter drugs, never has it before been INJECTED into muscle tissue.
there are good reasons to have a wait and see. There will probably be more reasons over time. I’ll wait.
Also not advertised [I believe] the new vaccines had no effect on saving life/ “Mortality”! But they can and do kill & maim people! But not to worry, you can’t sue Big Pharma’s vaccines! I.E. Too Big to sue, Cuz without vaccines we would all die, as the “Madison Avenue” advertisers, Lib education & Media tell us!
Of course the media is quiet. There is more than one corner of the swamp. Do you know of Ivermectin? 100% effective against Covid as a preventative . Almost 100% effective as a treatment for Covid, even with people close to dying, There’s the election-fraud swamp. And there’s the covid-fraud swamp. You’ve probably heard of HCQ – very effective against Covid and widely banned. Ivermectin is even more effective. Listen to this doctor testify before the US government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w By the way, Ivermectin would be harder to ban than HCQ – it’s used with farm animals, as well as with humans. Widespread silence, of course.
The BBC is doing its usual panic mongering, same as our media. With the report that Covid isn’t spread by non-symptomatic people, it stands to reason that if lockdown mask-wearers is a desirable outcome, a new boogeyman must be found. Can’t wait for the reports that the new strain has been detected here in the States.
Top health officials said that there was no evidence the new variant was more deadly, or would react differently to vaccines, but it was proving to be up to 70% more transmissible.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the new strain “was out of control. We have got to get it under control”, admitting that this was “an incredibly difficult end to frankly an awful year”.
European nations have begun to impose travel bans on the UK after it reported a more-infectious and “out of control” coronavirus variant.
Ireland, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands and Belgium are all halting flights. The measures vary and are initially short-term but the French rules also affect Channel freight.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55385768
This seems to contradict an announcement by WHO spokeswoman that says it doesn’t behave any different than other strains. It is posted by Dr. Michael Yeadon, who is a populist and trying to inject some sane science into the discussion of Covid issues.
https://twitter.com/Yeadoncampaign/status/1340708670338961411
pangolin revenge
until the question is addressed and for god’s sake answered…why oh why do kids not get this dreaded world killer? ZERO anybody asks or tries to answer halfway intelligently …THAT one question…(which would topple the entire fraud and start the cascade of other LOGICAL questions)..then just stfu with any other “logical..durr” based talk…
kids catch a cold at least once a month or two and therefore have immunity to corona viruses…
The older we get we have less exposure to corona viruses due to hygiene habits and isolation and therefore we do not catch as many colds and do not have the immunity to corona viruses that kids have…
FYI 94% of Covid-19 deaths have 1 or more comorbidities and about 150 thousand of covid deaths had the Flu and/or Pnumonia…
Only 6% died with Covid-19 only…
Read more here:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
https://towardsdatascience.com/covid-19-comorbidities-are-the-elephant-in-the-room-7d185bd6cfe2
“why oh why do kids not get this dreaded world killer?”
GOOD QUESTION! I can only surmise that children are just being used as a tool to further the nefarious agenda. Teachers are getting paid, but our school taxes are not going down, even though the buses are not running and the buildings sit empty (I am in NY).
My son (37) in Cleveland had it. No cough or fever, he did not realize it until he lost his senses of smell and taste (for one week). He primarily had burning in his sinuses, which he has had many infections in the past. His wife (35) also was ill for four days. My grandsons (9 & 11) did not get sick.
Posted this above as well. Seems some plausible explanation why children 5-12 yrs old may not be as susceptible. There are additional links within the links that were also worth reading IMO.
These articles consider an alternate point of view why antibiotics that kill bacteria seem to be working to combat C C P virus and anti-virals are not. C C P virus may be more bacterial TB-like rather than virus corona-like. A virus requires a host like your cells, whereas bacteria are the host and bug all in one. Very intriguing IMO.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0337-y
https://www.academia.edu/43416919/How_BCG_Vaccination_Trials_Might_Finally_Unlock_the_Many_Mysteries_of_COVID_19_
For reasons that need no explanation, I find myself a little suspicious of anything coming out of China. I believe them about as much as I would believe CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, the WaPo, NYT. I could go on but I just broke a nail typing !!!
I told you so… ? ?
Wow who knew, no symptoms no spread?
I work as an NP in a covid clinic; if my organization would work as hard on facts and research as it did on their tik tok #hero dance videos we may have kept many people off of psychotropic medications for being too afraid to come out of their house.
Of course then we wouldn’t be as useful of a tool for the left in order to gain control and position society so quickly for the great reset.
Embarrassing to work for such fools!
Sad that the medical community set themselves up to be used as tools; but then again most are flaming leftists, they are happy to oblige and spread disinformation in the name of health in order to further Marxism.
Thank you for the insight. With doctors and nurses in our family, we’ve watched the same bureaucratic progression of neo-fascism in the hospital corporations. The word “sad” often comes up among the few good nurses whose dedication and compassion result in having to fight for their patients and their jobs.
Fear not…
We’ll soon have covid21 which of course will be WORSE and MORE dangerous!
It will never stop now that this camel has his nose under the tent flap…
This is brilliant, thank you.
NEW – Prominent Russian scientist Alexander Kagansky, who was working on a #COVID19 vaccine, plummets to death from his 14th-floor apartment in St. Petersburg.
The scientist was in his underwear when he fell to his death and also suffered a stab wound, the police said.
Disclose.tv ?
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1340807434416377859
https://globalyoungacademy.net/alexander-kagansky/
Vladivostok is a stone’s throw from the Chinese border.
So basically suicide as deaths go in the USA.
Would have been a covid death in IL. /s/
okay…Here is an important set of questions. It really draws down to what is defined as asymptomatic.
Lets get facts first before the questions. These are the basic known facts.
its’ a RNA virus, corona type
people do get sick
people do spread it from one to another
c-19 has a fatty envelope that allows it to remain stable for sufficiently long periods of time that it can be transmissible from a variety of vectors: sneeze, body fluid (nasal, coughing, feces)…
c-19 has a long incubation period for some people. “long” being a relative word, as compared to other virus. This is perhaps the one thing that makes this virus a pandemic. A person “can” have particles of this virus with or without showing ANY symptoms for sufficiently long periods of time and during that period of time (1-40 days….the actual period UNKNOWN for any specific person, but the period stated is one that is located in most reputable scientific research).
Now that we have the facts stated,,,,Let examine the questions.
Tomorrow, I go out and get contact with this virus. It doesn’t matter HOW I get contact, but it does happen. That’s the scenario. At what point can this virus be transmitted BY ME to someone else.?
That is not well understood. it could be literally the very moment I get contact myself
this is important to realize. I do not have to be “infected”..meaning this RNA type virus does not need to invade ANY cell within my body and replicate in order to spread it. IT IS A LONG CHAIN RNA virus. It does not need to do ANYTHING to be spread. There is no separate mechanism required.
The point is simple: a person does not need to show any symptoms at all in order to spread this virus. This is just a reality. This is not theory. This is how ALL common colds and FLUs are spread. We have this bias (for some reason, which is very wrong btw!) that someone is “okay” as long as they are not showing symptoms. This is WRONG. The common cold and flu is spread all the time from other who may NEVER show ANY symptoms.
now the next BUT SEPARATE question which is mutually exclusive to this first question.
does a person SHOWING symptoms HAVE A GREATER PROBABILITY of spreading the virus to others?
I think the answer is yes. because it’s about SHEER NUMBER OF virus particiles.
Let say you get just one virus RNA particle. That’s it. (odds say that would unlikely ever happen, but lets just make it simple to make a point). Now, when we say symptoms, we are taking about the RNA entering a cell and start replicating. It is THEN that the human immune response triggers and THIS IS WHAT SYMPTOMS REALLY MEANS!
sometimes we have this wrong idea about what “symptoms” really means. We think fever, chllls, shiver, loss of smell, nausea, diarrhea, dry cough, head aches, etc…BUT that is JUST what the body is doing in reaction to the immune response AND the now replicating factor of the RNA virus in full stride. We call this viral load.
now switch it around. Let’s say the first contact was MORE THAN just one particle you have contact?
Does it matter, and how would you know, and how can science determine if there is in fact a “safe” minimum where spreading to others is statistically improbable?
I do NOT know the answer to that. I doubt anyone really knows it either!
The question is, how much VIRAL LOAD (meaning how many virus particles) are demonstrated as HIGHEST risk of transmission?
Science seems to come to a safety conclusion that since this number will NEVER BE KNOWN FOR ANY PERSON IN ANY SITUATION IN TIME OR CIRCUMSTANCE, we are left with the condundrum:
spreading CAN HAPPEN well before any symptoms occur. This isn’t just the smart way to mitigate the risk, but it’s the most credible way to elaborate a strategy.
What are we asking here? Count the number of particle you have (or not) and then if this number falls under some minimum, you are a-okay?
nuts. That is never going to be answered and even if we could provide a minimum (if one actually exists and can be proven conclusively), how in the world do you pull THAT OFF WITH BILLIONS OF PEOPLE around the planet using a PCR field kit that DOES NOT PRESENT reliable results. the test is a simple GO-NO-GO test.
what am I missing?
ps. Three of my friends, two close and one an acquaintance have died in the last two months from this disease. Only was one older than 70. None of them had comorbidity. It was very quick and harsh. Every single person they had close contact with has tested positive, and about half had symptoms. The youngest (male, white), was 43 years old, and in great health. He battled for 5 weeks. this has been a difficult year for many people here in south west louisiana. We are tough, but this virus is still burning. Please take care of yourselves and be safe, and be smart.
God Bless America
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and stories. I am sorry you have lost your friends.
I, too, am a nurse, and I greatly dislike the extreme viewpoints that are being expressed both by the fear-mongers and the pandemic-deniers. There is alot of money churning through the medical industry right now trying to detect & track the virus, but such little actual prevention education, early treatment and that frustrates me.
An invisible invader that all Americans are powerless to prevent? Nope. Nope. Nope!
There are acceptable treatments that have been witheld from Americans that I believe the corrupt politicians & the weak-kneed physicians should be sued into oblivion over!
Many people have died. I have seen those who have died & those who have suffered with permanent post-viral symptoms caused by blood clots from sepsis. I have seen two relatively young people who have widespread clotting just this week. One is a woman who will have to have both feet, maybe up to her legs amputated & also a hand because of covid. She had no other risk factors for developiing blot clots & blood clots in the hand are so rare, with no underlying comorbidities.
Calling covid a hoax is bad form.
But, I blame China & hope we will start wising up to the real hoax. We CAN do things to protect against serious infection & sepsis. We also don’t accomplish anything by following CDC guidelines. They are backwards.
Quercetin, HCQ, Zinc, Vitamin D, Ivermectin. People need to be taking a preventative daily, & increase their intake if/when they become symptomatic.
Pathophysiology 101
I think they rescinded the restrictions on HCQ? How many died because of Neal Cavuto and Fauxci?
Critical thinking is going the way of cursive script. I’ve been saying for months that people need to make up their mind which argument they are using and stick to one. If it’s spread on droplets, an asymptomatic person can’t spread it, because they aren’t coughing and sneezing. If it’s airborne, masks don’t work because the virus is too small. At that point they call me an idiot and say I don’t understand science. I like to remind them they are often the ones who aren’t sure which bathroom to use.
let me give a crack at it.
if it spread on droplets, an asym person can’t spread it, because they aren’t coughing and sneezing.
FALSE. coughing and sneezing ARE NOT required to transmit. That is the “usual” path, but transit of a 50-200 nanometer particle, my friend most certainly is NOT constrained by coughing or sneezing. If a person touches their face, nose, mouth or any surface with viable C-19 virus, and then you touch that same thing, or them, transit can happen. C-19 virus also transits in some people through the feces. Fecal matter on toilets. C-19 can be viable depending on conditions, for about 2 hours up to 72 hours until it becomes unstable (fatty envelope ablates and RNA distintigrates)
If it’s airborne, marks don’t work because the virus is too small.
FALSE. While the particle in isolation is in fact quite small, the highest probability is that it “clings” to much larger particles and as such N95 are pretty damned good at blocking those larger mediums (sputum, mucus, cough and sneeze particles, fecal matter and particles.) More to the point, masks ARE EFFECTIVE because they block the highest probability of particles that this virus is likely to hitchhike on. It’s not about being perfect, it’s about reducing viral load. Masks DO WORK!
Yes, you do not understand THIS science.
no offense, but there is a trend here at CTH, that bothers me. I get it, nobody like that this pandemic has been USED by the radicals to steal your freedoms and this election. I get it, you have every reason to blame china. I get it, “officials” in washington DC give contradictory and misleading information.
the virus is very real..understand what it is and how to protect yourself.
what bothers me, is that the same people (it seems) that want to deny this virus is real or a serious threat, also seem to jump right on the HCQ bandwagon. I don’t get that.
I am not saying you are doing this. But to the point you raised, “make up your mind”…I would counter with a gentle reminder: maybe its a good idea to step back and learn what this is, and start from there.
truth..where the fact lead..nothing less…nothing more.
I am not an antivaxer. I am not a covid skeptic..This virus is very serious. It is serious because it has killed alot of people in a very short period of time all around the world. And while the demographic statistically says it’s mostly aged and folks with preexisting health issues, brother I just got one word to consider:
mutations.
By the time many people start getting serious about treating this virus and doing health and smart habits, it will probably be too late for them. This is the thing about pandemics. Fear does crazy things to people. Some will actually run right into the fire…irrational….not smart.
just an observation.
I called this back in January. Here is what I said. China will be the first country to get this under control. Not because they are smarter, but because of the type of society and government they have. they will be forced to comply with safety. And they have achieved that. Conversely, I said the US will have serious problems for a very long time for just the opposite reasons: individuals freedoms prevail in our society and we mistrust our governments. In all other matters, this works.
but not in pandemics.
I called this long game early on. I am not saying explicilty that this was manufactured by china for that purpose, but if I was going to kill off my enemies, that is how I would do it.
stay frosty.
What’s killing the old folks in the nursing homes? When this all started, it seemed like there were a lot of elderly people in retirement homes that were dying when they developed a very violent response to a novel affliction. They may have other conditions, and they may be not long for this world anyway… but as near as I remember they had worse symptoms than would be expected with the common cold or the flu.
Masks may not be a panacea, but in close proximity to someone who’s vulnerable for exposure to the novel “violent agony cold” a good mask is probably a good idea, just like rubber gloves are a good thing in a should-be-as-sterile-as-possible environment. I think that cautious steps are always wise, Jerking knees are only good for Silly Walks.
“If there is no asymptomatic spread then what is all of this mask wearing nonsense and shut-down mandates all about?”
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
It was never about controlling a virus, it was about controlling people—and still is. Think of all the things that can, and will, be called a crisis and all the ways they can be used to manipulate the public. If only you could be filled with fear, and isolated, and threatened into submission.
the ‘darkness’ that hovers over mankind … wlli never go away … until mankind come to the realization … that we are lost without our “CREATOR” managing our affairs … “HE” tried to warn us in the garden … we chose not to listen … our history is the evidence …… ( when “HIS son returns to fix this … there will be no ‘asking ‘ involved …….
So now we move into the phase where MSM/DC swamp rats use REAL SCIENCE to “prove” China didn’t unleash a plague upon the world because….
China good. (Russia baaaad).
Arrogant democrats, mainstream media, and the deep state (but I repeat myself) have taken science to a new low.
It would not be surprising to find the morning news hyping the discovery that the Earth actually is flat, and the media backing up this statement with the Junk Science they’ve created for the “pandemic”.
We are being lied to on a massive scale. And not just about covid. Pardon me but why use info from China? That’s bad info and most people know it. Why can’t we have our own study. WHY? WHAT’S THE PROBLEM HERE? Please don’t try to tell us that this “study” in China is good information. We know that it’s just not. Look at the track record here folks. It’s time to stop relying on China for ANYTHING. We need to be smarter.
This takes me back to an observation made months ago, the origin of which I don’t recall, that if there were such a thing as asymptomatic transmission connected with this, then supermarket workers, truck drivers, and mail carriers would probably be dropping like flies. Of course, we know this never happened of “they” would be hitting us over the head with it, 24/7.
So 3 thousandths of 1 percent (300/10,000,000) was the sample population of asymptomatic specimens who turned out to be non-carriers? So they’re saying 99.997 % of their population were symptomatic. They can only come up with 300 people out of 10 million to form the baseline for their study and do further tracing on, in a despotic type of government arena where they can ostensibly corral anyone they need?
I’m not disputing the Royal Scam© (apologies to Steely Dan) being perpetrated, but that’s not a very good exercise.
someone please clarify: out of 10 million cases, only 300 were asymptomatic?
The confusion arises from the heretofore undefined and meaningless word “case”. With respect to the study, “case” refers simply to a positive PCR test. So out of 10 million PCR tests performed in a post-lockdown Wuhan study, there were 300 positive results obtained form otherwise asymptomatic people. The test further identified 1174 contacts made by those 300 asymptomatic PCR positive people and none of the contacts tested PCR positive. So out of every 10,000 people tested, 1 tested positive with no symptoms, any no one who came in contact with that person ever tested positive. It is quite significant. And I don’t let the fact that it’s a Chinese study deter me, for reasons discussed above.
Thank you Pew-Anon for your reply & attempt at enlightening me – however, i find it difficult to believe there were only 300 asymptomatic positives out of 10mn PCR positives. Strains my credulity way too much. There should’ve been way more than 300. Doesn’t make sense.
correction: i get it now – just 300 were identified & traced – NOT that there were ONLY 300 out of the whole 10mn – forgive my density
No, you had it right the first time. Only 300 out of almost 10 million tests were asymptomatic positive. That’s low — even for this parameter which is low to begin with — but not entirely incredulous. The incredulous part, if any, is the claim there were no new confirmed COVID-19 cases (i.e. symptomatic positive PCR tests)…
[emphasis added]
You read that right. No new symptomatic COVID infections. None. Zero. This goes along with China’s recent report of 12 such new cases a day in the entire nation, with the death total holding steady at around 5000.
Whether we find the numbers believable, what this report demonstrates beyond doubt is that China is not operating under the same pandemic model as the West. The fact that this report counters the Western pandemic model and narrative, to me, lends credibility to its core claim about asymptomatic transmission, regardless of the numerical veracity.
I don’t trust anything that comes out of China on Covid. Wish this were a report issued by France or the UK or Canada.
I like to wear an applique on my face mask when I must wear one. It says simply “Comply With THE LIE”. I’m thinking about a new one. Just a simple yellow Magen David.
Trouble is, while this emblem is meaningful to me – and speaks volumes of ‘subtext’ information – I’m afraid that today practically no one would ‘get it’. No more than the snot-nosed Karenesque enforcers of ‘anti-social distancing’, occupancy restrictions, and “face covering required” get it when I grumble about Kapos, Gulags, and public security monitors. These, too, are problems of our Age in this Time of Madness.
I fear it will end in chaos.
“As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn, The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return.”
Hammersdad
Today’s panic revolves around a new variant of CCP Virus which is more contagious.
What they don’t tell you is the new variant is less lethal.
This whole “shut-down” madness is a conspiracy theory started by CCP who controls WHO.
CCP’s intent was to shut down the world economy and CCP to become the savior of the world.
Everybody knows.
And the world already has a Savior, Our Lord Christ Jesus. No other Savior is necessary. CCP is going to be in for a big surprise.
Here’s the bottom line.
No evidence that the identified asymptomatic positive cases were infectious. !!
CASE CLOSED!
This study states the following:
All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified.
The testing was conducted between May 14th and June 1st, meaning it began about five weeks after the Wuhan lockdown ended.
Unless I’m reading this wrong, it appears to be saying that only 300 cases were found after testing 9,899,828 people.
Don’t see how anyone could believe that result!
This is not the only study. The science on the other side is ‘just wear a mask’.
A study on infectivity of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers – PubMed (nih.gov)
unknown Oregon blog ran this the same day as AIER (not sure who was “first”) but has a couple more sources about asymptomatic spread:
https://dissentersandskepticsoforegon.wordpress.com/2020/11/22/ten-million-people-zero-asymptomatic-spreaders/
Masks make us UNHUMAN. How about we all just wear Berka’s?