I’m not sure where this is all going to end… and I don’t quite have the words.. however, there are parts of this current election scenario that do not portend well.
Specifically because it is demonstrably evident the election results were manipulated; and specifically because the denial of that evidence requires convincing our nation to ignore their common sense; this is not going to end well… Our nation stands on the brink…
One of the biggest attributes to the American population writ large is our inherent common sense. The election outcome does not make sense from any position of logic or analysis. The media is participating in a full-on psychological operation that -in part- is a demand for American voters to reject their common sense. I do not see this working.
The democrats are losing congressional seats, state office seats, a governor and yet those same states voted for Biden? It defies common sense. Millions of election day voter ballots could be counted in hours within Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Nevada…. but they needed to stop, pause, and take days to count thousands? Again, none of this makes sense; unless this was manipulated by design.
President Trump can hold rallies with tens-of-thousands, while Joe Biden can only draw a few dozen. Surrogates for Trump draw more supporters to their events than former President Barack Obama. Again, nonsensical under any scenario.
Miami-Dade votes for Donald Trump and kicks out democrat incumbent congressional representation. Then we consider the biggest GOP vote share among married families, a cross-section of all religious affiliations and all races for President Trump… and yet somehow the invisible campaign of Joe Biden had the largest impact?
President Trump has a social-media following six to ten times larger than Joe Biden; and in the lead-up to the election the supporters for Trump outnumbered the Biden campaign by magnitudes almost too high to count. Yet this little supported candidacy of Biden was able to attract more ’20 votes than ‘The Lightbringer“, ’08 candidate Obama? Unlikely.
Prior to the election most Americans knew the ‘mail-in’ ballot demand from Democrats was ripe for fraud and manipulation. With hundreds-of-thousands of ‘mail-in’ ballots at the heart of the current election controversy; and specifically with regional political operatives doing everything they can to block any review of that process; and those regional entities are known to be at the epicenter of previously documented fraud; that prior conception is stark.
The media can dismiss voter fraud as a ‘conspiracy theory‘, but they cannot overlook structural coincidence on this scale. Clark County, NV; Atlanta GA; Philadelphia, PA; Madison, WI; Detroit, MI; the list is long. All of these areas are known to have well documented voter-fraud in the past. These, and more, are currently blocking review.
At the 30,000 ft level – Biden voters, actual people voting, did not exceed Trump voters. Which means the current dynamic consists of a minority number of Biden supporters taking possession of an election where the majority are dismissed. There is no reasonable way to reconcile this ever leading to a positive outcome; even with an overwhelming effort by mainstream media to push a narrative, and an effort by big tech to suppress any dissension. There is just a point where reality is so stark no amount of manipulative spin can compensate for it.
The resulting election dynamic is a powder-keg of danger to our constitutional republic; and it will not be resolved simply by the Biden supporter side demanding acceptance.
I’m not sure how this is going to end but we have crossed a horizon here and there is no way for the American people to ever go back to that time when they did not see the strings on the political marionettes.
Well over seventy million people are on the precipice of having their votes disenfranchised. These same people are being summarily dismissed, told to shut-up, and are now carrying a much more angry fuel within them. This non-democratic reality is not within the recipe for a recoverable position. EVER.
If, BIG “if”, Joe Biden, is appointed as president, that powder-keg is going to want to ignite with a ferocity the leftists in this nation genuinely do not understand or appreciate. An actually illegitimate group of far-left ideologues is going to attempt to restructure the nature of our country. Do not underestimate what individual citizens within individual states could, would, or will do, amid this dynamic.
Upon exiting the Constitutional Convention in 1787 Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was:
“A republic, if you can keep it.”
The brevity of that response should not cause us to under-value its essential meaning: democratic republics are not merely founded upon the consent of the people, they are also absolutely dependent upon the active and informed involvement of the people for their continued good health.
Again, I don’t know how or where this ends, but what I do know is that now is the time to expose whatever took place…. by any means necessary.
What happened to the 7pm Mountain time vote dump in AZ.
Looks like the spread is now 18,610 in favor of Biden.
https://results.arizona.vote/#/featured/18/0
Another poster on here reminded me that in 2000, Al Gore was “President Elect” for 37 days.
There wasn’t anywhere NEAR the support for or fight from Bush as there is for and from Trump.
Well said! However, Democrats weren’t training all summer for violence, intimidation, and insurrection before the Bush / Gore election in collaboration with and protection from their Enemedia co-conspirators. There were also rumors this summer of Dems stockpiling weapons, with help from 0bama’s weaponized FB!, as highlighted by George Webb before YouTube shut him down.
Except the media treated the race as if it were even and anyone could win. Now the media is proclaiming Biden as having won. Also, no victory speech from Gore or Bush.
And, no, Biden was not the President Elect for 37 days. They first declared Biden, but soon it was declared for Bush, and then it was a month of anyone can win.
You mean Gore, not Biden
Jeb! has come out for Biden. What a loser in every way.
Duh. No surprise..
hahahahahaha I’m shocked! hahahahahaha Everybody clap! What’s funniest is Biden had more people at his rallies than Jeb .01% Jeb. LOL
And don’t forget Madame President printed by Newsweek ???
https://stream.org/heres-photo-hillary-signing-copies-newsweeks-madam-president-issue/
Whatever you do, don’t look at Drudge. First time I checked out the site in ages but I wanted to get an idea of the psychological warfare the Commies are using. Truly unbelievable. Screaming headlines, the nastiest commentary, not even an acknowledgment that President Trump is contesting this phony damn election. Sickening what happens to people, how they change.
Little Green Football set the stage for being a turncoat, commie traitors several years ago. Some may recall what Charles Johnson did to not only the counterjihad movement but conservatives overall in the blogosphere. BIdet Biden will NEVER, EVER by my POTUS.
Drudge never really changed in its mission. The plan was always to establish an alternative news site for centre right voters who had given up on the establishment media, suck them in, build their trust, then eventually direct them back to the Uniparty fold.
You should be of good cheer. The Drudge project was a failure. Just like Faux News, Drudge failed to prevent President Trump from winning the 2016 election.
How did the FBlies go pushing their “debunked 64 page document” about Hunter Biden? They tried to get their garbage to “go viral” on pro-trump sites to get ahead of the actual laptop data release. They utterly failed.
And the reason? They thought they were smarter than people like you and me they were trying to fool. You have thrown Drudge in the bin. So have most who initially showed interest. Proof positive that that plan was instigated by people less intelligent than you. (Note: the capacity for intelligent thought is easily negated by hubris and arrogance).
But learn from your realization about Drudge. Understand the extent of the evil and what games they have zero ethical limits to playing.
You got it right about Drudge. This is good. It builds your imunity to gaslighting. (Gaslighting = Making you doubt your own judgement or sanity).
I’ve worked a number of jobs in design and engineering. I have a tertiary degree, but only Hons1C. But having successfully trashed PHDs multiple times, I am highly resistant to gaslighting.
Now I am a hardcore AGW sceptic. I know those driveling clowns used an instantaneous radiative balance equation to try and determine solar thermal gain at the surface of our ocean planet. Their foundation calculations are out by nearly 60C.
But you don’t need to know about the limitations of the Stefan-boltzmann equation regarding radiative heating and cooling of SW translucent convecting fluids. You just need to catch “experts” or “authorities” lying to you once, then remember the pattern of behavior to look out for. Whatever their claimed “expertise”, liars always use the same techniques.
konrad- thanks for a great comment.
Families are being broken-up, sad.
That what my sister wrote to her in-laws as the breakup note:
And that’s what I have to say about it!:
Good luck to you, ignorant Biden supporters….! Supporters of criminal minds, thieves and socialistic reformers… You and I have nothing in common and never will…. I am mourning the America I used to love for so many years and the freedom it used to provide…
As they say ‘Be careful! You might just get what you are asking for!’ So when you get it – don’t complain!
Joe Biden will NEVER be MY President! But he might be yours! You can have him! Enjoy the ride!!!
I AM DONE!!!!
Few minutes ago Biden was announced as 46th president as a result, as any common sense, intellectually honest person understands, of a totally rigged elections. Coming from Soviet Union four decades ago, I profoundly mourn this moment, the beginning of world’s demise. The only beacon of freedom and law begins its slow grind into extinction. Mob that supported Bolshevism in in the 1917 was used to achieve its aim of total oppression and domination and then disposed of in Soviet concentration camps. Americans have no idea that they are dancing to celebrate Biden’s victory and dance is on their own grave.
Recently watched the documentary “Messenger of Truth” about Catholic Priest Jerzy Popieluszko who the Polish Communists kidnapped and murdered. Americans have no idea what’s at stake, but 0bama does. Pope JPII was a implacable foe of communism, which is why 0bama installed pseudo-pope Francis before his Enemedia-fueled commie coup.
https://youtu.be/spSVDXEq5IA
Here is something to share with your sister.
Announced by whom? This is far from over. No whining, no excuses! Hold the line. Support your President. Listen to what the campaign and surrogates are saying. Watch what happens. Enjoy the show.
The media doesn’t get to “announce” who the president is.
The election results aren’t certified and the electoral college hasn’t cast the vote.
Your sister in law should have simply stated PDJT won, now Biden is trying to steal it.
Don’t give in to their false premises and talking points.
Trump won. Stop the steal.
I switched to Newsmax and Greg Kelly said Fox would not let Judge Jeanine have information on her show about the voter fraud so she quit. Maybe others will quit as well. Fox has definitely gone left.
you sure she quit? I thought she was just cancelled for today so they could celebrate Biden.
Holly Hell, it’s going full blown off the rails!!
Well he said “She should quit”. I hope she does.
I tuned in to watch Judge Jeannine and saw the insufferable McCallum and Baier instead televising the absurd debacle with Biden complete with fireworks and Brett said “this is a moment to just soak it in.” I had to rush to the bathroom to throw up. This is sickening and depraved. Fox News is not long for this world. Tucker should find another station now while he can.
Comcast refuses to have OANN.
If you are cutting comcast cable, make sure you tell them the reason is they have cnn nd refuse OANN
If that’s true, I have more respect for Judge Jeanine than ever.
I love it when people take a stand for their beliefs. Even if she is “cutting off her nose to spite her face”.
I did that once and never looked back and never regretted it either.
So, will Trump trump Barr and have a special counsel appointed to investigate the Biden crime family? Before Trump leaves office? And could Biden squash that?
I didn’t watch, but i heard that Hunter showed up tonight at Biden’s speech. At this point, they are just laughing at Barr.
We found Hunter?
That was a big giant F U to 70,000,000 people. Hunter
Biden crack addict and the man who sent him to deal with China anyway. What kind of game are these people playing. They are delusional!
barr is with them
Watch before it’s taken down!
More from Thomas Wictor if you liked the above video. Trump counter-attack.
Thomas is the FOURTH person to talk about the CISA and their mission for Foreign voter interference. THink CHINA in that regard imo.
So that is Three former intel officers and Thomas talking about the sting.
in 2007 we had RFID DUST with 15m transmit range I recall. Now it is 13 years later. The 2007 version could be weaved into PAPER. THE paper manufactures put it in is my best thought.
Ballots are ordered by States from corps They buy the paper cut it, and make it to the STATES specs. Doesn’t matter who prints it etc. It is in the paper if they did it.
SPY DUST and not the Russian Version that killed many CIA officers in Russia.
https://www.livescience.com/4372-scary-small-tracking-chip-size-dust-grain.html
note the date of that article. That was available for Purchase, think what the Mil had even back then.
Space Force Satellites. we shall see.
Long time reader, but first comment. Like many of you I’m both stunned and sobered by the events of the last several days …its surreal, but not completely shocking given the events of 2020. In fact as Sundance has said many times once you see the “strings” you can never unsee them. The video above is worth 10 minutes of your time. A sober wake up call from a young man from Serbia. His perspective seems right on the mark. Further, I don’t think we have months, but weeks perhaps to sort this all out.
At least go to 7:20 in video & PLEASE listen to what this man says with passion!! He’s 100% right about the lockdowns & Americans being sheeple who foolishly obeyed & many still are (wake-up, you got played!)
He also warns we have maybe 4-5 days to stop the steal– pleads for us to do something before it’s too late! Learn from history b/c there’s no going back if we let this moment pass.
Rise up ??
That was the most emotionally draining 10 minutes I’ve ever spent.
https://babylonbee.com/news/florida-recount-finally-wraps-up-al-gore-declared-president
was it permissible to count those ballots
we are not talking about fraud.
fraud is another topic. and clearly there also.
I find these theories fanciful that Trump had sufficient “countermeasures” to this massive voter fraud in place prior to the election. Until I’m proven wrong, his only countermeasure was simply to campaign like crazy and hope that it would bring such a massive voter turnout in his favor that whatever voter fraud the Dems would commit would not be enough to overcome it. Sadly, and shockingly, they did commit enough fraud to overcome the true tally. Even if Trump had over a million vote advantage in PA, it wouldn’t have mattered. They would have manufactured more than a million votes. This is where we stand, or fall, now. It’s not simply that Biden/Harris are in by flagrantly stealing the election. It’s that elections even on this scale and with this this amount of attention can be stolen right in front of our eyes, no matter how much stealing needs to take place. There is no election integrity moving forward, at least not in Dem-controlled states. Unless by some miracle the election process can be reformed to sufficiently safeguard against Dem voter fraud, then we are no longer a Republic moving forward. Short of that which I won’t name, there is no other recourse. What did Benjamin Franklin say? “A Republic, if you can keep it.” Even if the self-serving jerks in the GOP that rode his coattails refuse to support him, if Trump throws in the towel, if he goes down without swinging as much as possible, even if it takes Pelosi throwing him out of the White House, then the future does not look good for recovering what remains of the Republic.
The truth will out and these dem jokers are willing to cheat but not used to being observed and called out.
They never thought all that fraud would be scrutinized.
They are like roaches…..only come out when there’s something to feed on. Right, they are feeding on us. We can’t let this continue.
Ok Junker, if you believe that, what are you going do about it?
I can take out the CBD of most major cities with exotic chemical explosives yielding half the power of the Hiroshima blast for the same warhead weight. (Remember, you are US. You have the MOAB, but no one on your soil designed the explosives it contains).
But violence is not nessesary. Sure Trump supporters own almost all the guns in the USA. But there’s something more important: Trump supporters pay almost all of the tax.
So there’s absolutely no need to shoot any squealing bitch in their leftardulent face. That would be inappropriate. (Unless they demand taxation without representation).
Where is the AG? Honestly, I don’t know, but anyone have a comment on this: Trump / his campaign / his family has not asked that question, even though it seems like an obvious question to ask. Do they know “where” the AG is?
Do we have an AG?
Playing his bagpipes – where else? He has zero interest in doing anything for this country. He is a corrupt traitor just like the rest of them.
if mcconnell would approve him in the crooked seante, barr must be a deep state agent.
He talks a great gzme, but does nothing but hide the evidence of biden/dem/senate/DOJ/FBI/CIA corruption.
Those are Bush bagpipes.
DONALD J. TRUMP WON, NOT SENILE CROOKED SOCIALIST JOE BIDEN!!! THE VOTING ELECTION WAS RIGGED AND JOE BIDEN DID NOT WIN THE ELECTION!!!!! I WISH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL WORK HARDER TO HELP PRESIDENT TRUMP OUT. IT IS THE ONLY WAY.
https://redstate.com/jeffc/2020/11/07/lincoln-project-losers-believe-they-can-resurrect-the-republican-party-n276633
I really don’t believe they can resurrect the repub party. Those poor schleps will become elites without a home. They ruined their lives. jmo
They’ve been elites without a home for four years now. The Dems don’t want them, and the rest of us hate traitors.
Especially disconcerting is the Democratic reaction: Some are talking of punishing anyone who supported Trump. That is not how you govern and if it continues will take us to very bad places.
They aren’t going to govern anything unless we let them.
Yes, the “Trump Accountability Project”. This cesspool needs watched vigilantly.
I have posted a lot today. I am in such a state of anger and grief that I have to put my emotions somewhere. I know a lot of us are that way.
I will not accept Biden as president until the states have certified and the electoral college has spoken. If he wins, I will accept it not as legitimate but as reality.
Vent away…that is what friends are for!! Peace
Illegitimate Joe is his new moniker.
pay attention and you will see the true colors of many in the days to come…including many on this site…
burnetto??
Yep.
Good evening to ya.
Sundance,
I thank you for this article. It’s the best so far!
I don’t think the Left actually believes they will succeed in getting Biden into office. They know how litigious President Trump is and always has been, and that he will follow through on his current challenges, which will end up in front of Conservative justices. I think their plan is for the media to try and establish that Biden won with the public and voters. So that even when President Trump succeeds in court and has enough illegal ballots thrown out to win, a portion of the country will feel he stole the election. Biden and Kamala will serve, at least symbolically, as an anti- President and anti-vp. They tried this to a degree with Hillary, but the problem was a) she was too unlikeable to rally around as leader of any “resistance” and b) the Russia hoax was always too vague and abstract, it just confused people. Now, they will claim President Trump and Conservative judges threw out valid (according to them) votes thrown out in order to win reelection. So they can repeat the claim he stole the election endlessly through his second term. ,
My President is a man of courage and he will fight. So. What is your next question? You actually thought we would pretend this was not happening? See you , in court and hopefully, in prison soon.
I hope you are right, but think you are wrong. The globalists, the media, Hollywood, Wall Street, Chamber of Commerce, Democrats, many Republicans, and the deep state all colluded to get rid of Trump.
There are corners you can hide in.
I always taught my kids: Never worry about what somebody says about you… unless its true.
Rick, You are absolutely correct ! And I don’t care, they have always hated P Trump with a demonic passion and they will never change. They’ve already said he stole the election away from”Her” with help from the Russians. I don’t care what they say as long as Donald J Trump continues to be our President for 4 more years or more.
LET’S: SUE THE BASTARDS AND WIN! WIN ! WIN!!!
He’s probably hiding in Dementia Joe’s basement.
1. Martial law
2. National guard nation wide
3. Declare election fraud and announce new federally supervised election in each state in question with federal ballots. Only in person vote with id. Leave national guard on premises. Only crooks are intimidated by guardsmen.
4. Trump wins
5. arrest all leftists
6. Save the republic
7. Ban communist ideology
At this point the only thing President Trump could do that I would disagree with is to cave in to the pressure, and that’s not his style.
Long Live Emperor Trump.
Jay , I can live with that !!!
We should adopt some of the left’s strategies, but in a more intelligent manner. For one, we need to become more selective about who gets our business. We also need to cancel our id’s on socials and encourage conservative radio hosts and web sites to do the same.
It’s tine for conservative entrepreneurs to step up and build new web applications, start new media companies, start news organizations, schools and universities, etc.
It’s also time for a new political party.
Yes, Lincoln did it.
Ditch the GOPe that refused to permit any PDJT recess appointments, to hobble him with traitors, SES coup plotters, spies and ‘resisters’.
JEB !!!! can be in charge of the old GOPe with romney and pierre delecto, for a party of 5 people with george will, and kellyanne’s dufus husband.
Drastic times require drastic measures:
https://rizziallen.wordpress.com/2019/05/03/the-american-civil-revolutionary-war/
Christian Treepers,
I was having a discussion with other posters here. They were dubious of my posts about praying and the effect that it would have at this grave hour. Apparently they have either never read the Bible or forgot that it is literally chock full of examples of God testing the limits of our faith and answering prayer with total victory at the 11th hour.
They were also concerned about fasting and then praying on your knees as a sign of weakness or it would make you weak or seem weak. Obviously I am not kneeling to the leftists like Obama did with practically every foreign leader. Rather it is humbling yourself before God that matters. This is in addition to confessing your sin so that you can spiritually come before him. Because He is a Holy God and when you are praying to him you are on Holy Ground for “without holiness no one will see the Lord.” You should come before the Lord humbly through the blood of Christ (The Victor of Calvary) confessing and repenting of your sins. Then petitions can be made.
Some people here get frustrated with the “turn the other cheek” Christians when it comes to every confrontation. I understand that and I am not one of those types of Christians. Turning the other cheek applies to the insults against your person and controlling your angry response to it. It in no way applies to not doing anything when it comes to your personal safety, saving family, friends, country, rights and especially religious freedom. Many Christians died fighting for this country since its inception.
They were also suspicious of this being Spiritual Warfare. They must be utterly unaware of the “powers, principalities, rulers in darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places.” Ephesians 6:12
Why do you think that the left relentlessly attacks Donald Trump?? The president who openly confesses Christ as his savior, brings back the national day of pray, restores religious freedom, staunches the flow of drugs and child/human trafficking pouring across the border and more. These dark spiritual forces are assisting the left because Don is in opposition to what they want. Also there is no way the left could accomplish what they do without their help.
I fully understand people’s frustration, their complete disenfranchisement and feeling helpless in this situation. Many people here are to the point of breaking something on the left. Keep in mind that using leftist tactics against them seldom works. They could give a crap about deplorables protesting and rioting, they can actually spin that against us. BML & ANTIFA though destructive were merely distractions. Leftists fight their REAL battles behind the scenes in higher offices and especially in court. They love to legislate from the bench (see gay marriage). Since we are not part of Trump’s legal team we can support him financially by donating to his legal team or with PRAYER. Going to rallies showing support and being involved in the recount process and writing you congressmen and also good to do.
Remember we are praying now, but God may require us to pick up a physical sword before this is over.
SO PRAY:
1. Come to the Lord confessing and repenting of your sins. “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1John 1:9
2. Cry out to God for mercy in this situation. “Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” Hebrews 4:16
3. Ask God to shine his light of truth on this situation and expose all the fraud.
4. Pray for Donald Trump that he defeats these people. Pray to God to give him the “power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19
5. Don’t forget to praise God. There is power in praise. Thank him for this test of faith, thank him for the display of his awesome power and to thank him for the victory. See the story in 2 Chronicles 20.
Hold the line, keep praying. Consider fasting.
I hope you realize that countless agnostics and atheists support the ethics and morality that lie at the foundation of Judeo-Christian societies and our very courageous PDJT.
They would also lay down their lives to defend your religious freedom.
Yes I do!! As I would lay down mine to defend theirs.
@neokhann Thank you my Brother in Christ for the Truth spoken. God Bless you with wise council. Amen.
God bless and keep you. Keep the faith, pray without ceasing, I will uphold you and yours in prayer.
To my mind, we do have another concern. Most of the online communities I’m part of skew pretty heavily towards the younger side of things, and are overwhelmingly leftist. Even if we can show significant vote fraud or corruption in key areas – how many total votes do we think they manufactured? 500k? A million? Five million?
Biden racked up about 75 million votes, according to the current totals. Let’s go with the most optimistic scenario – Dominion switched 3% of votes from Trump to Biden, and they manufactured 5 million votes on top of that. That still leaves 68 million votes cast for Biden.
If we can show indisputable evidence of both kinds of vote corruption; finish the honest counts; how many of those 68 million will just accept it and move on? Even if not Biden specifically, there’s a lot of people who are on board with the policies put forward by them, the ‘squad’, and other marxist folks. Nevermind that the policies they advance don’t work, and usually are counter-productive to the goal they shoot for; they truly believe that doing more of it will eventually work.
We are not just looking at a crisis in what’s left of our Republic; even if for the moment we outnumber them, how much longer will that last? People on moral crusades are unlikely to be swayed by reason, especially when the facts and evidence are offered by the heathens they’re supposed to be crusading against.
Even if (please God!) President Trump does come out on top of this heap, civic education starting now isn’t going to do much for the two generations currently indoctrinated – and worse yet, just now coming into their positions of power. And the collective media (now that Fox seems to be beginning their purges of heresy) isn’t going to wake up, say ‘oh we were wrong!’ and come to the light. We are looking at very hard times, whether in four weeks or four years.
You are underestimating just how many votes were harvested by Democrats. They go into nursing homes and help people who barely know their name vote for the Democrats. They drive people to vote, They are masters at getting the uneducated, the uninformed, the elderly, etc to the polls or to fill out their ballots for them.
most people believe what they hear on the TV.
It is a puzzle why conservative groups have not started successful media.
The leftist FCC strangely blocked Sinclair from buying TV stations, which was absurd – especially because it could be proven that the current monopoly (oligopoly) are owned by entertainment companies dependent on china and oter foreign countries for most of their revenue.
We are to blame for not demanding comcast include OANN, RSBN and other honest news sources.
And for ever looking at FOX or oterh leftist media, and for buying the products advertised on ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, ETC.
Honestly? I have been on a campaign to get politics out of the places I do business. And out of my SPORTS!! My mission is equal and aggressive enforcement of the law.
You need to look at the tallies in the battleground states…many of which PT had a sizeable lead until counts were stopped or votes were still being counted well after polls were closed on Tuesday.
Suddenly PT is losing by razor thin margins in these states!
AZ: PT – 48.97%, Biden – 49.53%
PA: PT – 49.15%, Biden – 49.70%
GA: PT – 49.29%, Biden – 49.47%
NV: PT – 47.84%, Biden – 49.97%
Check the required percent for the State to auto do a recount. Seems odd it is so close to that, just a tad bit above that. And the ballot harvesting stopped. PEnnnsylvania though is not just the voting fraud itself. It is what allowed them to do it.
The PA supreme court let them do their thing without the legislator. Violating the constitution of PA, and the US. All using covid as their excuse “to make it safe”.
The PA Supreme court made law, which is not allowed. I have heard “experts” on TV claim that could mean all the places that happened,.. the votes,.. all of them will be tossed as a possible remedy.
Can anyone here shed more light on the NSA/CIA biasing programs called Hammer and Scoreboard? If real, were these deployed? Seeing very little about this via my trusted source sites.
This video might interest you…..cyber security CEO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficae6x1Q5A&feature=youtu.be
I highly recommend watching this video. I watched it yesterday, and although it is a little long at 58 minutes, you can certainly get a sense of the fraud possibilities if you watch the first 15 minutes. I thought voting in person with a paper ballot was the best way to avoid fraud but I now understand that the votes are transmitted electronically which is where the manipulation takes place, and it can take place on a very large scale.
Skip forward to :45minutes and see some eye popping stuff…
I saw Sidney Powell on Lou Dobbs show speaking about this. I only caught the end I was going to catch it again. I had never heard of this but I do not think Sidney is a quack. It really makes me wonder, and after what I’ve witnessed them put POTUS and our country through the past 5 years, I would put nothing past the pukes that are in the CIA, FBI, DOJ, DOS, and elected officials and their deep state snots.
You might as well add the DHS to that list of do-nothings. I listened to the whole thing – it took me 2 hours with interruptions – and it just about made me sick.
The fix to Scorecard is too easy: Have a precinct person with representative from each candidate compare hard copy of what was transmitted to what is reported by Secretary of State.
I have a suggestion. Wipe it all out and start over. I don’t believe this can be fixed.
How does this end? it never ends until the left is completely defeated. in the meantime i’m going to write Pres Trump a letter thanking him and his family for all they have done for America and pledge to support him in whatever action he takes. He isn’t going away and neither am I. in the meantime i am going to:
1. no longer watch any main stream media, nor Disney channels, NFL, NBA
2. discontinue netflix (and sell their stock)
3. no longer patronize liberal establishments (Starbux, Chipolte, Whole Foods, Amazon) and not use Facebook, Twitter or Google – and sell their stock.
4. Move my personal banking to a local credit union
5. contact my representative at the federal and state level and ask what they are doing NOW to protect Trump and our right to have our vote counted.
6. get the names of my elected representatives at the local level (specifically school board) and investigate their backgrounds and monitor their votes. Make sure they know my position on key matters and enlist others to do the same.
6. Pray that God will continue to give all of us the strength, wisdom and courage to stand against these haters in order to preserve His Nation.
If all the millions that voted and love Donald J. Trump did this, the billionaire/globalist class would reconsider their actions. To them its all about the Benjamins and Wall Street gaining market share in China at the expense of Main Street, as Sundance has often written about.
We have nothing to lose. We’ve crossed the Rubicon and burned the boats.
Lets Roll!
Old Dawg, This is not meant for you per se but rather for us all, myself most of all.
As many have stated before, this is much more of a spiritual battle than most would want or will realize. All week many voices have echoed across our land, voices of deceit & voices of truth. While I doubt many in the treehouse are confused or frightened by the noise, there are many who are scared.
Please consider this could be the moment of a lifetime, a moment to share your relationship with Jesus with whoever He has laid upon your heart? This is not about one mortal over another in an election it is about a fierce battle for our souls and the soul of our country. My family came to America before it was named. I will NOT go quietly into the night and give up the freedoms my ancestors gave their lives to keep. Living in fear is not living your best life, it should not even be an option & it is definitely not the way to Glorify the God of the universe, the very author of our liberty. I VOTE we come before Him, examine ourselves, repent & truly change. We will then be ready to spread His “Good News”. The harvest is ripe & time is of the essence. He has also graciously promised when we submit to His will He will heal not only our souls but our land.
2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (14)
And as a bonus we don’t have to fight the battle, God will.
Chronicles 20:17
You will not have to fight this battle. Take up your positions; stand firm and see the deliverance the LORD will give you, Judah and Jerusalem. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged. Go out to face them tomorrow, and the LORD will be with you.'”
May the Lord be with us all.
They did it electronically too. Watch this interview with cyber security CEO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficae6x1Q5A&feature=youtu.be
At the end of the day, I am left with a RED FLAG (auditor lingo) of an official from Georgia saying “the software company installed an update the day before the election. They have never done that before.” Add that to Biden spouting “we have the best Election fraud system in history.”
If I were on the Trump- USA Protection team, or as a auditor, I’d be demanding a REVIEW of THAT SOFTWARE UPDATE. I believe it is evidence of a CRIME. Would you be surprised if that program was named “CODE BLUE?” Like duh, Crossfire Hurricane?
Am so wearied from my career. Some we audited thought we were low IQ “chumps.” Always stunned when we had findings and recommendations that sometimes went to the Congress and the Senate that they had to answer to. I guess they got it that we weren’t LOW IQ.
The BIG MACHINE today is reveling in their “win” and dissing all Americans who voted for President Trump. They have NO IDEA what is coming. None whatsoever – recounts etc.
To me it does not matter who anyone voted for. That is a personal choice. But for the MSM to proclaim Biden the victor is like a premature e#caculation. That is their problem. Not mine.
I pray for all to keep their intelligence and not let those who try to manipulate the facts to change their resolve. I believe all of us relish the truth when we hear it.
May all the healing forces in the Universe be with the USA for what is to come. And first and foremost hold, give support, strength and spiritual sustenance President Trump Thank you President Trump!
I’m glad you mentioned that late software update. I would like to know when that update occurred. The equipment must be tested, usually three times. One of those testing sessions must happen at least two days prior to use in an election. It is recommended that enough time be left so that any component that fails testing can be fixed and retested. Some of the later testing is run against what was used or generated in the first logic and accuracy test. If that software update fell later than 48 hours before a machine was used, that might be a problem.
https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/laws/advisory2019-23.shtml
In Antrim County, Michigan, the software problems now are being reassigned as user problems.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/
Posting this here so you’ll get the alert. I’ll post it on another thread for others to see. This is right up your alley.
https://twitter.com/RoscoeBDavis1/status/1325299046727249921
At a certain point, you stop caring what they say about you, and take out the trash…
Don’t know if the American people will get to that point, but it’s the best moment for it…
70+ days.
70+ days for Trump to do what he does best.
WIN.
I know of a lot of smart people who have lost money betting against him…
I’m going fishing. ?
If there ever was a situation which could start a civil war the Democrats has gone in this direction. I hope it will be resolved in a manner which brings us peace but too many years watching military action has me concerned.
The difference this time, is we actually have somebody in office who’s worth fighting for….
Never had that before. Millions have a true, personal connection and genuine love for President Trump.
A man who has given up so much, taken such abuse, and his family tortured by these people. He could have just walked away and said naw, I’ve had enough, but he didn’t. And as he says, “I’ll never stop fighting for you the American people”…what’s not to love about that?
I understand they broke away from the Norte Dame Clemson game for Biden, and I understand that Hunter came out after the speech In Which Joe Praised Hunter. I also saw that at Times Square the crowd broke out in cheers after Biden said he will form a covid task force.
The literal insanity of this (aside from He is NOT the President) is the audacity and hubris and in your face “what laptop?” This from a blog I read today explains it.
“What is going on now simultaneously with CoronaCold, the Masonic Burqa of Submission, and the lockdowns AND the obvious, open vote fraud in the 2020 election is exactly this – they want you to see, know, and GIVE UP. It is your giving up that is their ultimate psycho-fetish.”
These are very disturbed people and they have taken over the minds of a good portion of our population.
Where do the Trump Militias meet? Time to mobilize and be ready to defend the Republic. There will be no elections in the future. What does it matter if it is pre-determined by a bunch of crooks? If Biden takes Office and gives citizenship to 40,000,000 illegals, creates 4 new Senators with DC and Puerto Rico made States the Nation is done. The American experiment is over, taken by a bunch of globalist criminals.
We must stand and fight. Do what our fathers and forefathers would do. This is why the Founders created the Second Amendment.
Asking Lin Wood and Sydney Powell onto the legal team with Giuliani, who seems to mostly be holding press conferences kind of hints to me this is a hail mary. I believe if Trump did anything to prep for voter fraud it was delegated to other people who never carried through. It’s quite likely there was foreign interference in this election, which will be covered up. If social security is the third rail of American politics, political graft by both parties is the third rail of government. There are no patriots left in positions of power who believe in our founding, American exceptionalism, and freedom. We’ve seen this story for 4 years, it was Trump against the world.
Because the legal team he picked for impeachment defense was so bad, too.
Your concern is noted.
https://twitter.com/RealWayneRoot/status/1325298853411577857
There are two things the dems know better than anything else. How to rig elections and how to spend taxpayers money. /S & SOS
Special note to republicans: Do any of you know which of all the leadership essential traits combat soldiers consider the most important? Soldiers demand absolute ‘candor’ as the most important trait in their leaders. Farther, candor contains two elements; co-mission and omission. It has been my observation that democrats are masters of co-mission while republicans are masters of omission! Do any of you know what combat soldiers do to those who are less than candid with them?
Soldier/Cop/Grunt, Retired
Fellow Americans: Joined the army in Ike’s last year in office. Was trained, trained others, and led others to fight so-called communists, socialists, terrorists of many different labels. Learned well before I left the army and had confirmed a few years into a civilian police career that those I had killed and/or jailed were of no significant threat to the American people when compared to the threat presented to each and every American from the self-serving/witless/cowards found throughout the ranks of America’s politicians, bureaucrats, academicians, and the so-called news media. Since D.J.Trump walked down that escalator I have witnessed action after action that confirms my initial threat assessment was far short of the mark. The actions of the four groups cited above have proven to me that my guns were always trained in the wrong direction. Though pushing 78 I am ready to once again pick up a weapon and stand a post. What about you?
Soldier/Cop/Grunt, Retired
Thank you for your long loyal, honorable service, words of wisdom and love of your Country. In America’s war of independence it took a long brutal time to spark any resistance. Today’s surveillance State precludes secrecy required to organize. Now we must wait for large scale actions of spontaneity. Frankly after seeing my media sites switch to acceptance and the nature of weakness on the right I don’t see it ever happening unless huge mistakes by the left spark those actions. No doubt the election was stolen but when you know a crime is about to be committed you prevent it, when it takes place you secure the evidence, none of this took place. It is disgusting to see the media all of a sudden say we have to all get along after what they did. I will never get along with them and they really don’t care it’s cover to put the right back to its sleepy bed. I refuse to sanction US voting ever again with my participation, that rapture just occurred. I blame that squarely on the useless DOJ who let this country become a banana republic. Stay well.
Who’s candidate presently winning? Communist China’s.
Who is in grave danger of losing? Taiwan.
China is getting ready, they will move on Taiwan if Biden is fraudulently installed.
Pray more and harder. This is a time to learn who you are.
Do not be afraid.
“Pray more and harder.”
Interesting reaction.
During aircraft emergencies / abnormal operations we find that the muslim pilots (sic) pray while the Anglo Saxon Celts use the brains God provided to problem solve.
Never think God wants you to pray instead of think.
It’s a common error.
Both prayer and wits. That’s the formula.
There are spiritual forces at work in which only the power of God Almighty can prevail.
Then there are the immediate issues in the natural realm for which we have the ability to analyze and address.
The problem:
SCOTUS does not see itself as kingmaker.
It will deal with narrow points. Was there fraudulent voting?…obviously, by forensic statistics and unlimited physical evidence….but here’s the crunch, did that effect the outcome or was it part of the standard contamination “allowed” and expected in elections?
Every State that ran fraud in the count has to be before SCOTUS en masse, at the same time.
IF the Supremes actually make the result invalid you better hope US Marshalls are loyal to the judgement because the DoJ will effectively refuse to enforce it.
And if all efforts fail…..and before comrade Kamala…. we will have the Jill Biden Presidency before Joe gets sanctioned out for mental incompetence.
Under a year I believe.
POTUS and team knew this was coming, planned for it, and executed the plan.
The Art of War.
The enemy jumped the shark. They are now all-in, because they have no other alternative at this point. Trump, Barr, et al had the evidence to convict many of them. That was before they took this last, brazen step, from which now there is no return. They have fully committed themselves, and undoubtedly were given to believe that they could pull it off. Nope.
But the population as a whole needed to see exactly how corrupt nearly all the centers of power in this country had become. But especially the Media / D’rat nest. It needed to be as stark as a bucket of ice water in the face while dozing.
Many needed to wake up to the fact that even their beloved Fox News Channel would not be their ally when push came to shove. This despite the fact that POTUS has been pointing that out for months.
Trump ran and was elected — and has been protected by unwavering patriots — in order to confront and dismantle the pervasive corruption. Federal judges and SCOTUS justices had to be installed. Domestic enemies had to be removed from key positions in the DOJ/FBI and elsewhere. The President had to be a patriot of uncommon integrity, guts, savvy and determination to enable the good guys to get the job done. Trump is such a man. Cannot be bought; cannot be cowed.
Trump and team have got this. I don’t know precisely how soon that will become evident for all to see. And the wait has been excruciating, granted. But it WILL become evident.
We might be only as far as Act 2, Scene ii at the moment. This may be a three act play.
The last 12 months has forced people to take sides. It’s now clear where everyone stands. Foxnews is just one example. Barr is another. We need to get uncomfortable and take the actions many above has prescribed. We like to use Amazon but they and twitter and Facebook are the tools of the enemy. This war is bigger than any of us. It is indeed spiritual. Let’s use all our tools. The courts our spending habits and praying. Call you state legislatures and demand they don’t certify the votes but instead perform recounts!!! In Michigan we have republicans in control of the state house and senate but they won’t act unless you force them and make them feel personal risk. Call them every day starting today and don’t stop. Let them know they are next after Trump if they don’t get this fixed and that your switching to an independent waiting for a Trump party. Humble yourself before God. Ask for his forgiveness and for his help for our country. This is the great awakening!!!!!
It is a powder keg. If the election fraud stands there will be a violent insurgency. Demands for secession. There is little in common with the left.
Regardless of what happens.
The elitists pulling the strings want CHAOS.
Keep your powder dry. Instead of storming the Bastille, D-Day the Swamp
Hey Patriots,
I want to share this link with you because I find it interesting, and like that he links to original documents and he’s not too quick to jump to fraud as the answer (although it very well might be).
He’s some sort of a software engineer and he’s downloaded documents that suggest many of the suspicious swing state areas are running a newer version of Dominion software (version 5.5) that was known to have bugs. Other areas without problems (eg FL) are using older versions that are better tested.
It really seems worth following up. He’s a very low volume twitter user so if you agree it’s interesting, can you please help get the word out? I’m not a social media person.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PhyreGoldMAJIC/status/1325030788316995584
Very, very, very disappointing and poorly thought out. To put the cherry on top, he and his wife are long-time friends with Jared Kushner’s parents.
Ok, I’ll say it…
What an ungrateful POS! You can kiss those little ME peace deals goodbye should Biden STEAL it! ??
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that quote. Wow… yep, right on Martin.
Many American Voters don’t know or remember (or want to know or remenber) how the current scenario contrasts with the last contested election in 2000 Gore vs Bush. Some voters weren’t even born at that time.
I’ll provide what I remember as being the more important points along with their sequence. I’m stating facts here, not opinion. I’m sure if there is disagreement, my statements can easily be researched concerning their varacity and readers are encouraged to check and correct any of my statements or add to them if they feel so compelled.
On election night (2000):
1) MSM projected Bush as the winner in Fla.
1) MSM projected Bush as next President.
2) Gore conceded.
3) Bush proclaimed victory
4) Gore asked MSM to retract their projection of Bush winning Fla.
5) MSM accommodated Gore’s request and retracted their projection that Bush won Fla.
6) Gore retracted his concession.
Between election night and December 12, 2000, various legal maneuvers and battles ensued with related cases being decided at courts both at the Fla State level and the US Supreme Court.
On December 12, 2000 the Supreme Court made a ruling declaring that further vote counting was to stop. Bush was ahead in the count at that time. Gore had exhausted his legal remedies and conceded once again. Bush, then declared victory for a second time, and that one stuck.
A Note of Interest: December 12, 2000 was two days before the “Electoral College” cast their votes in accordance with the US Constitution.
The reader can easily see differences between 2000 and 2020 when comparing the above facts. The biggest and most important difference imo is Biden not even acknowledging Trump’s complaints, while proclaiming that he (Biden) has won along with the MSM being totally in the tank with the Dems to such a degree that they have shut out Trump’s story to be told.
Because of the above, this current debacle certainly qualifies as a “Constitutional Crisis” and in this regard, Biden is at fault. But make no mistake, this crisis can, and by all current indications will get worse. Think about the possibility of future cases going against Biden at the US Supreme Court and Biden with MSM rejecting their decisions proclaiming them to be “illegitimate” as they have already set the stage tipping their cards to us previously with the Barrett confirmation. If that scenario plays out along with other possibilities such as Pelosi attempting to take actions related to the electoral college which are unconstitutional, we will have a Constitutional Crisis which dwarfs our current one in a monumental fashion.
Please Pray or our Nation.
I think you’re exactly right about where this could lead… constitutional crisis that would make all others look like nothing. And your timeline is pretty accurate, though I think one thing is slightly off.
For #2, I don’t believe Gore ever COMPLETED his concession to Bush. From what I remember, he was being driven over to Bush HQ, where he was expected to concede. He apparently told Bush he was coming, but hadn’t made it “official” yet. Then about halfway there, he started hearing from his people that Bush’s lead was shrinking, so he turned around.
And he was wrong to even consider conceding in the first place, if he had been paying attention to the new numbers coming in. I remember sitting there watching, and seeing the lead at several thousand for Bush (I don’t remember the exact amount). So when he was projected the winner, I wasn’t shocked. But within a few minutes the lead started shrinking, and I noticed which areas of the state were still out. I remember waking my wife up and saying something like “Well, they’re saying Bush won, but I think it’s too early to say that. Gore’s coming back already, and if I’m calculating right he’ll be ahead before it’s over.” And it wasn’t long after that that the networks started going “Oops, never mind…”
In my opinion, had the Dems asked for a statewide recount, they would have won in the end. It was their picking and choosing of only certain counties that gave the Supremes their main justification for how they ruled.
Thnx for your thoughts and various corrections jello. Your memory is probably better than mine in this regard. My main point I was trying to get across initially was that both Bush and Gore stepped back when there was disagreement and recognized that the decision would then be up to Judicial review and judgement. Thus far, I have seen no recognition that a comparable process should take place by Biden’s side, which is worrysome.
If interested see that Governor Noem recognized this disparity and discusses it below.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/11/08/sd-gov-noem-we-gave-al-gore-37-days-to-run-the-process-trump-voter-deserve-same-consideration/
Interesting that Trump put 3 attorneys on Supreme Court that handed Bush the victory.
HMMMMMMM…
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html
Roberts, as your article discusses, was nominated by Bush, not Trump. Also, as your article further mentions, Barrette’s involvement was minimally simply because she was assigned a small task having to do with research by the law firm she worked for. After completing it in less than a week, she went on to work in other cases, not Gore vs Bush.
It might be interesting to know if any of the current liberal justices spent time defending Gore in that case as well. Anyone out there have info re that?
that plus antifa plus military brass ordering soldiers not to follow presidential orders and everyone needs to prepare for the worst
Translated from Hebrew on twit:
Michelle Florenoy may be the first US Secretary of Defense. Susan Rice, who called Netanyahu’s speech in Congress against the “destructive relations” nuclear deal, is leading the race for secretary of state.
Wendy Sherman, the head of the delegation to those talks with Iran during the Obama era, is a candidate for the post of ambassador to the United Nations.
Trump has had a good relationship with Netanyahu. But now, I don’t know… in his second term (yes there WILL be a second term) how is Trump just gonna pretend Netanyahu didn’t do this?
This was stupid. Really, really stupid. I don’t get it.
EXTREMELY stupid! Yeah, even if he thought that in the end Biden would “win”, and so would eventually need to “work with” him as “president” (all those quotes are intentional), why not WAIT? I didn’t think Bibi was stupid, but now I’m not so sure.
Last time I looked, he was up against some real problems in Israel. The judiciary has been corrupted over there. They have no real constitution. He was charged with corruption for exchaging gifts of outrageously expensive cigars with a long-time friend and supporter. IMO, he and his wife may need to flee and seek asylum if things get worse for him.
This may be to gain support among his constituents in Israel. I don’t know how. Iran is Israel’s greatest enemy. Biden supports Iran.
Bad.
I agree, Bibi jumped the gun … Still … Unlike Trudeau and Boris (and others) he did thank Trump though. That sets him apart from at least those types somewhat.
History does Not Repeat, History Rhymes.
I could go into great detail about the coming Supreme Court battle and decisions Rhyming with the Dred Scott Decision of 1857 and many other paralleling rhymes leading up to the CW of 1861, but suffice it to say I’m going to use the Past as Prologue to the immediate and the coming Future.
The exact Timing becomes cloudier the further out in time, and the Alignment of Events is mere conjecture, as “Who” can really “see” the Future anyway?
This is just my conjecture, but One Fact is certain: The “Deep State”, NWO, Globalist Billionaires- Banksters, Oligarchs, along with their paid swine democRats, and Quisling repubs … aka the DC Swamp…..
Whomever “They” are; Have presented Us (with a gun to our heads), A Choice:
Acquiesce to a Clearly Fraudulent Election to Complete the Coup on DJT as President, End the MAGA campaign, Continue the Criminality of the Bill and Hillary Clinton Cartel, Complete the Marxist Transformation of America begun by the Obama Regime, and Restore the China Model of “Capitalist-Communist” but Total Tyranny to the World.
The NWO Bush I & II Dynasty, Established Never Trumper “Conservative” Media, etc. Colluded and Contributed to this as Loyal “Opposition”.
The “Choice”, to be more concise, is Submit or Fight.
Submit is well understood as “peaceful” ProgreSSive Insanity will envelope your lives, but you will be spared Violence as long as You Submit. (and the Submitting never, ever stops Progressing to more and more extremes.)
Fight on the other hand means:
1. Legal (within a corrupt system) ? with political disruptions like the past 4 Trumpian years, including continuing Antifa and Burn-Loot-Murder, possible secession of CA,OR,WA,NY,IL,etc.???
leading to….
2. Failure of Legal and the Ballot Box leading to C.W. and the horrors that it brings.
3. Whatever: The USA is Humpty Dumpty and all the Gov. horses and all the Gov. men cannot Repair the Irreconcilable Differences of the former republic.
The Rhyming of History brings me to the conclusion of Winston Churchill warning of the Socialist Nazi’s and their Soviet Communist cousins, both Tyrannical Leftist Regimes.
“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly;
you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.
There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
It may come that we’re given a choice to either die on our feet or live on our knees.
Easy “choice”.
It’s an instant decision for the Patriot.
It has come.
We’ve been here before.
What led up to the CW of 1861 was not the Dred Scott decision or anything to do with slavery, but the open hostilities of a post- Puritan socialist New England toward a Protestant Christian and Jeffersonian antifederalist South which finally culminated in the massacre of white southerners in Harper’s Ferry in Kentucky by communist radical abolishionist John Brown which many northern New Englander praised as Jesus after his trail and execution. This combined with the election of a radical big government former Whig and likely socialist himself named Abraham Lincoln; who tried to offer the southern states the guarantee the they could keep their slaves if they did not succeed and continue to pay the excruciatingly high tariffs that the federal government was extracting from their agricultural trade. When the southern states rejected this offer and succeeded, Lincoln provoked the Fort Sumter incident to have political justification for invading them.
During the war, when Secretary of State William Seward asked Lincoln ” Mr. President why don’t you just let the South go?”, Lincoln responded ” let the South go? But what would happen to my tariff? Who would found the government?”