Many people saw the cold murder of CEO Brian Thompson carried out by Luigi Mangione on the street in New York City. Mangione was facing state and federal charges related to the assassination. Today, Mangione pled guilty to two federal counts of stalking Thompson.
I’m not sure if this is some scheme by his defense attorneys to avoid the state murder charge; it seems like it is. According to the defense, Mangione cannot be charged by federal and state court for the same crime; therefore, a guilty plea to the federal crime of stalking looks like it is being used as an escape mechanism from the state charge of murder.
What is super creepy about this case is the amount of support Mangione has for the murder. There is a remarkable and unnerving amount of online support for him, despite his cold-blooded killing of Brian Thompson.
NEW YORK – Luigi Mangione, whose coldblooded killing of an insurance executive on a Manhattan sidewalk rattled the nation and struck fear into corporate America, pleaded guilty Friday to two federal stalking charges for the death of UnitedHealthcare leader Brian Thompson.
“On the morning of Dec. 4, 2024, I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan and he died,” Mangione solemnly told the judge during a court hearing.
Mangione, wearing tan jail garb, told the judge that he spent years enduring severe pain, including a broken back, and witnessed others with similar experiences. He said that after learning of an investor conference, he emailed UnitedHealthcare, posing as an investor at a firm managing over $50 million in assets, to request information about it.
“Unlike my previous interactions with insurers, I received an immediate response within an hour,” Mangione added. He said he made part of a gun using a 3-D printer and planned the killing.
U.S. District Judge Margaret Garnett said Mangione faces up to life in prison at his sentencing, which she set for December. Jamie McDonald, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, said after Friday’s hearing that his office intended to seek the maximum penalty, saying Mangione committed the crime in order to “draw public attention to his dislike of certain businesses.”
“No grievance, political belief or ideological cause can ever justify murder,” McDonald said. “There can be no celebrity in assassination.”
Thompson’s family sat in the front row of the courtroom during the hearing. “Today’s guilty plea marks an important step toward justice for Brian and for our family,” the family said after the hearing. (read more)
Human turd
Confesses to *MURDER*.
Guilty of “stalking”.
Becomes a celebrity with legions of (liberal) women who want him.
Whatever his sentence is it won’t be enough, and he will be let go early.
I hate being this cynical…….but unfortunately, I am not wrong.
I prefer shi+ stain.
Also interesting is the support for him is from both sides of the political fence.
That should concern people more than it apparently does.
I am sympathetic to americans’ who are paying premium insurance policies but who get refused claims.
I can understand why some would cheer this kind of violence.
I am NOT sympathetic to murdering the dude regardless….but I do understand why so many rallied and embraced this kind of new form of street justice.
I think this will be amplified IF he does escape a murder charge.
God Bless America
agreed reg… in my darkest thoughts, i must admit i am conflicted. no justification for murder, i don’t think anyone here disputes that.
i also doubt anyone would dispute that the social contract has been deeply fractured, and otherwise decent but desperate people, easily manipulated and enraged, will take matters into their own hands, because “our” government will not do it for us.
imagine a circumstance for yourself, like, say, a deeply unjust civil case or imminent domain taking everything you ever owned and held dear from you and destroying your family. are you so sure that you would stand by and let it happen?
because thats what people are doing to our republic. and this is how societies collapse.
strange days. tune out and have a nice, stress-free weekend, yall. 😉
Mangione comes from a wealthy Maryland family. Their net worth is more than Brian Thompson’s.Thompson earned his wealth. Mangione inherited his from his grandfather.
indeed. being rich does not preclude you from becoming desperate, manipulated, or enraged.
The Social Contract…
And with it, the devaluing of life (in the beginning and at the end especially).
The moral centre of America has been decaying for decades.
How can we be shocked?
Was the dead guy the one who has the last word on denying the claim?
“One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.”
~Stalin
The dichotomy between the murder of Brian Thompson and the murders of the Good Lord only knows how many by Fauci for whom there will be no earthly consequences.
One with a gun, the others by injection with a substance having documented terrible harms (including death) whilst deliberately (with extreme malice aforethought) withholding provably effective treatments and administering those which were known to have fatal outcomes.
Mangione with a potential life sentence; Fauci keeping his freedom while collecting a handsome blood pension for his crimes.
Brother, old Stalin was right.
I despise United Health Care but killing someone in charge on a city street, in the back, is just wrong and it does nothing to right any wrongs.
These insurance companies are in bed with the Federal Government and it is because of Barry’s 0bama care. Medicare picks the winners and the losers. Medicare is paying for illegals and that is why it is “going bankrupt”.
The Insurance Companies -all the biggies- are raking in profits because they work for Medicare/Medicaid and big Pfizer.
Getting rid of 0bama/Pelosi care is what might help being denied services. Healthcare would not be expensive if we didn’t have half of the third world signed up to get it.
I agree with most of what you say… However, bottom line is — something is very, very wrong with so many people today.
Cannot open the news without reading that some parent (or both) have killed their children, then the spouse and thennnnn commits suicide.
What the helllll is wrong in the world today???!!!
Leftist media.
I too can understand why some would cheer this kind of violence.
My father in law died in an inner city hospital because it was used to pacify inner city denizens who would trash the ER if they couldn’t get their ibuprofen for the hangover they developed from their own excess.
Had he been treated in a timely manner he would have likely survived.
Craven CON GRESS and roberts created the events that lead up to this monstrosity termed “health care”!
Government is the root case of so many ills.
Do I support this behavior?
Not yet.
If, for example, some illegal alien with umpteen priors harms my family I will not look to the system for my vengeance. I’m 74. I don’t care.
A decade ago were headed for an Amish/Mennonite majority because they actually reproduce in quantity.
Now we are headed for an islamic majority.
God help us all. Our “leadership” certainly will not.
My guess is that they were hot for his taut body. His face ain’t much to look at, but he’s also from a well-funded, UMC family.
Please know that the machinations of the Medical Industrial complex are fully interlaced with any grievances for the Health Insurance Industry.
Making money often takes precedence over treatment / health / wellness.
Not from both sides. RINO’s and Democrats are on the opposite side as any sane person that sees this mob style murder for what it is. There’s no possible justification for his actions.
You say that RINO’s don’t support “mob style justice.”
Yet they say NOTHING and do NOTHING when “mob style justice” is perpetrated by the left.
At what point does passive silence become support?
“At what point does passive silence become support?”
spot on. passivity is consent.
That is my concern too. A guilty plea to stalking might not get him the death penalty, or even life in prison.
And is he still going to be tried for cold-blooded MURDER?
NY quirk in the law – CPL § 40.20(1) states that a person may not be twice prosecuted for the same offense. Crucially, subsection (2) extends this protection to prosecutions by different jurisdictions (e.g., federal and state) for the same act or criminal transaction.
Rejection of Dual Sovereignty: The statute mandates that a prior federal prosecution generally bars a subsequent state prosecution for the same conduct.
That is why he confessed to the murder in federal court and tied it all in even though he was only charged with stalking by the feds.
Democrat lawmakers don’t have the ability to conceive of downstream consequences of their stupid laws.
We are living in demonic times. Only those who are truly or willfully blind do not see it.
you bark the truth.
Aren’t “Stalking” and “Murder” two distinctly disparate acts in both jurisdictions?
How can a guilty plea in a single jurisdiction, for all intents and purposes, not be a guilty plea in ALL?
precisely my question too. Ninja’d by your clear question to the same issue.
God Bless America
i saw on fox news yesterday that NY state has a crazy law that the same ‘fact pattern’ can’t be used to try a defendant twice, even if it is for different ‘crimes’. So, with the fed going first, and all they have is stalking, that means the state can’t use the same facts to try him for murder. I guess it is a soft on crime law they came up with in NY. it was either Trey Gowdy or the other lawyer they always have (not Jonathan Turley, the other guy). I think it was Gowdy. He said they should have switched so the state went first. But, then, I guess the fed wouldn’t be able to try him. who knows if the state tried to mess up the case and then he gets out free. maybe at least the feds got a conviction.
Who agreed to the stalking crime versus 1st degree premeditated murder for the federal charge? Nuts, this is not justice, certainly a tainted legalese negotiation.
Greg Jarrett, wasn’t it?
I think NYS “double jeopardy” could well being challenged and end up at SCOTUS.
Yes, it Greg Jarrett is who I was thinking of. however, i believe it was Trey Gowdy that explained this yesterday.
The critical words are “same crime,”, i.e., do the crimes have the same required elements?
Mangione pled to a federal crime of stalking across state lines.
The state charges do not include the interstate element.
Defense will probably argue that Mangione continued his stalking within the state of New York (He followed Thompson down the sidewalk), so they are the same crime.
The interstate element, however, is what gave the feds jurisdiction.
This will likely end up in SCOTUS. While Mangione rots in Supermax, one hopes.
I am going for “life in club fed for 500 Alex”.
I don’t know about NY’s prison system…but I imagine the above is better than Sing Sing, if they can pull it off–avoiding the ‘double jeopardy’ issues?
I don’t understand. Stalking isn’t murder, is it? Federal = stalking plea/charge, so why can’t State = murder charge?
In need of 4th grade explanation.
We’re a lawless, godless, gutless nation.
Accurate and succinct.
Correction: elements of our legal system are godless … satanic.
what i heard on fox news is that the penalty was the same for both crimes, and it is life in prison. (that didn’t make sense to me, but maybe they were talking about the max sentence). they also said that fed prison is nicer than state prison. so, that is a reason why he would plead guilty on fed charges.
Thank you Patty, reading / putting together comments from everyone so far is making things alittle less muddy.
Not all federal prisons are nicer than state ones. If he gets life he should start out in a penitentiary, and could potentially be moved to a FCI after a few years. Lots of gang violence in both
I THOUGHT NYS DOES NOT HAVE A DEATH PENALTY, SO DOES IT MATTER?
The federal judge is Biden appointee. She did not sentence Mangione today. She will get sentencing memoranda from both sides, and probably victim statements from Thompson’s family. Mangione’s attorney will likely build on the allegedly excruciating back pain as a factor in Mangione’s confused thinking, or something like that.
This might be the one time that a New York DA wants to appear tougher on crime than the feds. After all, the defendant is a rich white kid.
1000’s of people suffer excruciating back pain EVERY DAY.
They don’t use it an excuse to murder!
As the US Attorney for the SDNY will no doubt argue. And Mangione’s family was wealthy, and could afford to get him the best treatment.
Mangione didn’t do anything most liberals wouldn’t do to conservatives if they thought they could get by with it. Look how they reacted to not only this cold-blooded murder, but the assassination of Charlie Kirk as well.
I see a closing gap between Liberals/DSA/Democrat Party and terrorist groups like Hamas and many others. Birds of a feather with much the same goal…the destruction of America.
can the judge refuse the plea?
second question.
since he is pleading to stalking (and NOT murder), would it not be true that he does not in fact face any kind of double jeopardy if federal prosecutors pursue the charge of murder?
noting: these ARE two different criminal violations. pleading to a separate charge seems to preserve the case of murder, no?
not a lawyer. obviously. Please reply please to those who are more familiar with the law and this case
God Bless America
First question: yes.
Second question: that will be the NY DA’s argument. The state and federal charges are not the same crime.
Thank you. I always respect and appreciate your comments. 👍
This is refreshing! So seldom do radical Marxist extremists proudly admit their crimes and take the consequences
The downside? His radical Marxist extremist fellow travelers will make him into a martyr. Hell, the next DSA president will likely make his birthday a national holiday!
The deferential and preferential treatment of murderers like this guy and the guy who killed Charlie Kirk is disturbing. They do it with illegal aliens, killers, rapists etc. who get no bail and rarely receive punishment. It’s state sponsored and endorsed mayhem.
Tyler Robinson is still in Utah’s very lengthy process of deciding WHETHER he goes to trial for murder. We are paying millions for his defense attorneys, including one who is “death qualified” in case he goes to trial, gets convicted, and sentenced to death. Then there are the decades of confinement on death row, repeated appeals, and maybe, just maybe, execution in 30 to 40 years. What a mockery of justice! How lucrative for his lawyers!
Look at the photo at the end of the article. Brian Thompson walked alone. No police to be seen.
Thompson’s assassin gets an armed (HEAVILY ARMED) police escort to make sure he isn’t gunned down the same way he did Thompson.
The justice system of this country seems for more concerned about the lawless than those who are victims of their lawlessness. We are screwed.
The question of “double jeopardy” under NY State law may well go to SCOTUS.
Meanwhile: Tyler Robinson, are you watching / listening? If YOU go to trial, I can’t see you escaping Utah’s dearh penalty.
Govenor Cox enters the chat…
He was never going to get convicted of murder by a New York jury. Life without parole is probably about as good as it’s going to get.
How being convicted of “stalking” by the FEDs mitigate being charged with murder by the State?
I don’t get it…..
Bye,
FeliciaLuigi…. and may you eternally rot in Hell!How long before we see another Obama or Biden in the White House and he gets his sentence
commuted?
I still say to this day that the original pictures released the day of and the day after that individual did not have the Luigi caterpillar unibrow that was groomed shortly after capture.
Insurance companies should not be allowed to deny medical treatment while raking in 10 billion a year in profits like most do.
Why would the feds do this?
They may have consulted with the victim’s family, who didn’t want to go through a trial.
I see a Cambridge professorship in his future, even if it’s on-line courses only.
What is super creepy is that we are in the Matrix. Too many people are understanding what they see from Big Brother – a generation or two ago it was TV and now the internet. World War Reddit is not just Ukraine vs Russia. It is the cultural war also. Humans are built to perceive the world and when the world they are “perceiving” is created by deceivers those people are hopelessly lost.
Regardless of who wins on the double jeopardy argument in the state trial court, there will be an appeal to the NY Supreme Court Appellate Division (intermediate appellate court).
Loser there will appeal to NY Court of Appeals (actually the highest court in NY).
Loser in NYCA will appeal to SCOTUS.
Another reason for pleading guilty in federal court is that federal prisons probably aren’t quite as rough as those in NY State. Anyone know anything about the difference? I’m assuming.
How many AWFLs want to line up for conjugal visits to have his baby?
Remember, ‘Boston bombing suspect has his defenders, many of them female’
A small but vocal chorus of young people, many of them female, are filling social-media sites with claims that the two brothers accused in the Boston Marathon bombings are innocent and have been unjustly accused, even “set up.”
In defense of 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (identified as Jahar on his Twitter account) sympathizers have taken to the Internet to proclaim their support. On Twitter, they post with hashtags including JaharisInnocent; fightforJahar; freejahar; and FreeTheLion. More than 6,600 visitors on Facebook have “liked” The Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Free Jahar movement.
Some of the tweets are fawning and cheeky, such as this one from @freeJahar97: “Yes i like Justin Bieber and i like Jahar but that has nothing to do with why i support him. I know he’s innocent, he is far too beautiful.” And this one from @keepitbluntedd: “getting one of jahars tweets tattooed on me tomorrow. I guess you could say I’m a #freejahar supporter. 😉
White females.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/19/boston-bomber-support/2164605/
Well, he was on the cover of Rolling Stone.