FTA – “Legitimate concerns about the 2020 election exist, and they demand rigorous investigation by law enforcement authorities without a political agenda and determined to get to the truth. There has been no such investigation. No wonder there is such unrest among the American people.”
And the fact that all major media outlets continue to ignore this truth is only adding to the unrest, IMHO! Curious as to why the WaPo is running this piece now? Who does the CIA want them to go after and who are they trying desperately to protect?
The Dems were counting on passing HR1 and in so doing legalize the theft of elections in their favor. This credible audit stands to destroy their canard of “there’s no voter fraud”. So in typical leftist/fascist fashion they attack the auditors not the potential findings of the audit. Don’t get me wrong they’ll do that too but terrorizing those that question them has yielded some dividends so they are trying that first. Rest assured they’d let it all play out without hindrance if they truly believed they could say “I told you so” at the end of the audit.
They won’t investigate Election Fraud–only those who do.
WaPo is the CIA’s Color Revolution mouthpiece.
Daniel
May 3, 2021 1:43 pm
I strongly suggest people click the link “READ DETAILS HERE.” Sundance doesn’t need to copy-paste the page information here does he/she/sher/zhey? I think we’re smart enough.
After reading through it, I generally concur. The narrative is cooking already.
My opinion is it won’t work. The “left v everyone-else” divisions are shifting away from the left. The people who are still with the left will continue with their bias and this hit will serve as additional confirmation for those on the left. The “everyone-else” division will also see this as more confirmation…. confirmation that they are crooks which cannot ever be unseen once we see it. No one will be surprised by this.
But the more they lay this garbage on, the slower the shift away from the left moves. The more silent they are, the faster the division shifts. The news cycle is timed optimally to reduce “defectors.” But the defections cannot be stopped. And they will NEVER win anyone back. They are just buying time.
Mike – when you write “the rights own agendas”, I think (correct me if I am wrong) you are conflating the Uniparty RINOs with real conservative patriots (Deplorables.). That would be incorrect, IMHO.
The Uniparty is NOT “the right”. They are not conservative by almost any standard, therefore cannot lay claim to being the Right.
We know the Uniparty’s ridiculous claims about the election. Romney, Graham, McConnell, Cindy McCain and other DeceptiCONs have made their baseless assertions well known, since the MSM has been all too happy to publicize them.
The problem I see with your post is that the Uniparty’s baseless claims will NOT overshadow the truth that is being brought forth every day by real investigative journalists on a large number of aternative news sites and blogs. The AZ audit is not only proving my point; Debbie Georgatos made that unmistakenly clear in her reply to WaPoop.
I do not believe the Uniparty will accomplish their “mission.”
Mike, I do not believe we have a two party system…..anymore. If we ever did. What we have thrust down our innards is a uni-party of traitors and corporate globalists elites who believe they know better how we should live our lowly lives….there are no MAGA voters in the uni-party pit.
Mike I agree with what you said except the “brilliant dance” part. To me brilliance means it shines, stands above. I think a more fitting word would be diabolical which means it is dark and evil. JMO.
The news cycle, at this point, is mostly the news media talking to each other, posing for each other. It’s this temptation, this imperative that has poisoned Fox: they have to worry about their next job. The shriveling of their industry has caused them to confuse cause and effect.
Big Brother only needs one talking head to read tonight’s propaganda headlines. We are still in the transitional stage when 100 clones express the same ideas while pretending there is some version of free expression going on. So lucky that everyone reaches the exact same conclusion!
The people, of course, are tuning out. What’s left? A 1984 world where turning off the TV is impossible. Don’t put it past them.
It is not the “ left” it is elites uniparty at war with us. They prop up public figures like barry”the 1/2 white muslim” but he is way to stupid and in love with himself to operate the coup. Paul ryan another they pay them millions to be the public figure which is chump change the the scum behind the curtins.
willthesuevi
May 3, 2021 1:46 pm
Wow, I do not know and have never heard of Debbie Georgatos, but she seems to certainly have her stuff together.
It sure looks to me like she will never be a push over for the WAPOO propagandists.
The video of the interview with Russ Ramsland made a few weeks after the 2020 election is linked in the piece by Debbie Georgatos. It is very good and I recommend everyone on CTH to view it. But Russ Ramsland appeared at an interview with Ms Georgatos also a few days PRIOR to the election. Another must view:
Related… this was the first I saw of Ramsland/ASOG originally published on YouTube like Nov 3rd or 4th, IIRC. Then YouTube zapped it within a day or two, and it was uploaded to Bitchute on the 8th.
Ramsland walks through all the technical detail of ASOG’s 2018 Texas investigation.
A thorough forensic audit would prove to the world the election was legitimate IF IT WAS ! The Left knows the election was stolen and they don’t want the truth to be revealed.
I miss Rush Limbaugh more every day. He predicted this stuff like a psychic. The very premise of a democracy is opposed strongly by the Democrats (and Uniparty Republicans like Romney and lizard Liz).
Hillary’s Deplorables speech was the harbinger. Those who dissent from the leftist agenda are not human, simply not fully human. Giving us a vote is like giving a dog, an ape a vote. And Nazis reveled in presenting “the other” as less than human.
I’m not sure it really matters what type of push back you see on either side of this voting thing.
It’s become overly obvious that the states themselves are too far gone to care. Too complicit in the federal scheme of funny money, their reliant on and beholden to it. You really can not blame the feds for what transpired in the election… Each county and state was independently responsible. Each legislative body stood down, every governor complied. Even the fake pushback we saw was mostly staged non intervention. If it was real, boy they laid down quick!!!
Too many of us seem too comfortable accepting that were going to some how “out vote” whatever thingy is the new topic of the day.
I’ve been seeing and hearing that my whole life and to be honest I can name a single “win” that’s actually been a “win” for the american public.
We need to move past the petty symptoms and get into the problems… But no one seems to want to get there.
Ron DeSantis and other governors with a spine are stepping up and making important decisions on freedom and liberty. State Legislatures are also growing a spine, because the people are organizing and raising merry hell!
Only the mentally disabled believe 2020 was NOT Stolen.
About 1/3 of our population wanted to get to the problems on November 3, 2020 to continue to Make America Great. Prior to that there was a Tea Party organization with millions of solid citizens ready to get at those problems and fix them.
Not to bore you, I will leave it at this: Each and every one of us should be able to recite the problems and work at solving them.
We are now being ruled by Fascists. It’s real.
But we don’t have to participate in it or accept it.
Just follow the example of PDJT; he’s doing so much more than anyone of us will ever know.
And realizing that Nothing lasts Forever. This Fascism will not last; we are winning and will continue to win, unless we give in and give up.
…..how ‘abt a ~60 or so house flip during the Tea Party hay days?? In the 90’s I believe. The voters were pissed off at democrat policies and told the politicians so. The largest house flip ever, if my old mind is still functioning correctly. Steve Bannon has brought this up many times on his Warroom Pandemic blog…..which you might want to listen to. Go to america’svoice.news for Steve’s two hour show M-F at 1000 ETZ. It’s ‘signal’, not ‘noise’, which seems to played through your comments. How-some-ever, enjoyed your comments.
hanbun
May 3, 2021 1:57 pm
I really wonder if any MSM media (other than Google) is actually making money. The internet broke their gate guarding monopoly over mass communication and decades of exposure has cut their audience below what is needed to pay for their operations. It is billionaires like Bezos who prop them up because enough low info people are still swayed by them.
The MSM knows their propaganda has no effect on conservatives and is probably discounted by a majority of independents. Their ability to generate a “stampede” effect to drive a political decision was tested over multiple impeachment attempts and failed. They truly thought the RINOs would do as they were instructed based on feedback from “moderates” within the Republican voter base. This is why you are now seeing so much talk of “deprogramming” and how to go about it.
booger 71
May 3, 2021 1:58 pm
– False claims about election fraud have resulted in a significant section of the country refusing to believe the results of the 2020 election. Some even stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 in protest. Do you think you helped to spread such false claims?
Strawman argument. The ones that “stormed” the Capital were subsequently identified as mostly affiliated with left wing groups such as antifa and BLM
Absolutely correct. I remain disgusted at the number of people who are supposedly on our side who continue to apologize for Jan 6 and coyly, indirectly blame Trump supporters for the violence that occurred, while never questioning the morals and legitimacy of those in the DOJ / FBI who refused to investigate and hold accountable the man who shot and murdered Ashley Babbit.
No one “Stormed the capital”. A few hundred people WALKED into the capital. A handful pushed aside flimsy barriers and tussled with the police. Many of those who fought with the police were Leftists or kooks found in every crowd. The protestors killed np one. 60-100 people have died at BLM/Anitfa riots.
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Raptors2021
May 3, 2021 1:59 pm
They are not challenging the audit. They are challenging the premise that the American people have the moral right to select their own leader. We are in Nietzschean, fascist territory now: only the superior people should be picking the leaders. Who are the superior people? Apparently it’s Joe Biden (?).
Why are Romney and Liz Cheney so damned self-righteous? They are insiders, the superior people. The supermen, but they certainly wouldn’t be honest with us or themselves by saying it, like that.
The isolation, the bubble of Washington has to be ended. Disperse the bureaucracy across the country. Let Chris Wray enjoy living in Portland, where Antifa is only an idea. Sweet..
Both Cheney and Romney are arrogant elitists. They rule, we submit. George Bush is the same. So is Chicom Mitch. All of them lie, because they don’t think we deserve the truth.
The way some of those questions were loaded, almost akin to, “So, Debbie Georgatos, do you still beat your husband?” Or, “Have you told your husband of your affairs?”
Today’s alleged journalists are such a tacky crew.
Yep, this question by the WaPo reporter tells you where this is headed…
“False claims about election fraud have resulted in a significant section of the country refusing to believe the results of the 2020 election. Some even stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 in protest. Do you think you helped to spread such false claims?”
Mike Robinson
May 3, 2021 2:03 pm
It’s worth repeating that all of us, in every state, have always had the legal right to “contest” any election, large or small. As long as we were willing to post bond to cover the state’s actual expenses if we lose, we always had the right to demand an audit … and not just the routine “risk audit.” While we probably wouldn’t choose to be as exhaustive as the Arizona Senate has chosen to be, we have always been entitled to demand an independent audit.
So, what Arizona is now doing is not only legal, but it is our legal right. And it always has been.
We’ve just been … stupid, all this time … for not exercising this right routinely.“Trust, but verify.”
P.S.: In every state, election fraud is at least a “Class-5 Felony Offense!” Which causes you to book a room in the State Hotel and to stay there for a long time.
DNC and other Leftie’s attack dogs have done everything to stop udits for the last 40+ years including the ban on RNC challenging Dem’s longstanding history of vote fraud.
Just the case of LBJ “helping” FDR, should silence any honest democrat about this. The Dems now are literal pros, long subsidized a myriad of ways through the Lawfare/Welfare state.
R.J.
May 3, 2021 2:14 pm
The other day I visited our local bar/grille historical building (300 years old) in my Hispanic village (now bedroom community) where I encountered a few friends. One friend had a new bud joining him sipping wine who seemed a rather interesting person. At first I did not notice his orientation. He had recently lost his partner who I referred to as his “significant other” where he immediately corrected me that it was his “spouse” which told me this was a serious “love affair” of many years. My other friends who joined us in conversation were all having a grand time telling stories and sharing experiences. No one, not even me, was bothered nor intimidated by anyone’s orientation. What caught my attention was how the definition of “marriage” had moved on from the classical to now, the “progressive” definition.
Look around you and see those who come forward–with determination, to re-define the meaning of words and phrases, suggesting a new lexicon; yet advocating the destruction of older meanings, definitions, etc. Why such energies? Inclusion, diversity and equity seems to be the rallying call here.
What comes after such efforts? Here is where all this “lying” comes into play. White is now black and black is now white!
Rodney King’s line “Can’t we all just get along?” is a good thought, but how does it comes into being a real reality? Cognitive dissonance on steroids…
Let me shove this down your throat…I just do not like such an approach, but what else is Black Lives Matter, or Antifa but that kind of game plan? And look who is following these mobs (in their limos, with guards, etc.!), our elites, or those who think of themselves as our “betters” in so many ways. Lead from behind…it is safer (so they think).
Even my prep school (The Pennington School…oldest Methodist supported school in America) has adopted this curriculum as presented in it’s web site. So much for a serious, religious foundation after 180 plus years!
Taking a chainsaw to this tree with all those branches will not be enough, one will have to pull up all the roots and then start a major bonfire…cancer is here in political thought, if we do not destroy it, it will destroy our society as we know it.
I don’t argue against change, I don’t say yesterday’s thoughts, beliefs must be locked in stone, what I say is that there are ways to effect change. If those anti-Americans or those who just want simple change can’t see another way than shoving it down our throats, then they should not complain when we choose to do the same to them!
This is a major tug of war…and civil war just may be where we decide who will survive!
Jen Chen in the Epoch Times quotes Solzhenitsyn: “More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened. “Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution … But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”
Well, that won’t stop WaPo if they are told by their cabal to rip into him, however, he is not easily intimidated AND does some pretty good investigative work.
I’ve listened and watched many of his interviews; he can handle the DC sludge machine.
Intelligent and well spoken, yes. However, he is not a household name, but he is about to be.
Remember that tried and true expression about how you only have one chance to make a good first impression? Well, it looks like the WaPo is positioning themselves to make sure the country’s first impression of Ramsland is a negative one. From that point on he will always be seen as suspicious, as being on the defensive. Worst case scenario for the Post when he fights back is they have to post a brief retraction, buried in the back of an issue where no one will see it. Too late then, the country will have seen the image of Ramsland that the Post wants to portray. Mission accomplished.
Do Trump’s Lawyers Know What They Are Doing?
The Ramsland affidavit is part of the Trump team’s case relating to Dominion. In paragraph 9, the affidavit states:
Based on the significant anomalies and red flags that we have observed, we believe there is a significant probability that election results have been manipulated within the Dominion/Premier system in Michigan.
But according to the article they were using Minnesota data. (I actually think the Mi data is worst)
…..he’s been with Mike Lindell on Lindelltv.com as well as frankspeech.com. frankspeech.com is slowly coming into world wide focus. 10 May ’21 is another launch date scheduled in the Corn Palace in SD, 6:00 pm, or 1800 for my fun loving hell raising patriots. Give it a try creepers. There were start up problems, but I’m now able to watch & learn & spread the good news.
MOLLY REED
May 3, 2021 3:00 pm
I remember her interview and found it to be informative. Her answer to the reporter are very good.
Unfortunately, the target audience will be informed of what the targets are supposed to think.
Her hopes that it will be a fair article are naive to an extreme. The submitted questions tell you the article has already been written, and they would just like to twist some answers to fit their narrative.
Wheens
May 3, 2021 3:12 pm
Awesome piece. She took it point by point, very measured and totally focused. She does give WAPO far more hope and credit for this not being a hit piece. I get why she did so but I have no such faith whatsoever. They have been, are and will be enemy of the People.
a2n8g2e0l
May 3, 2021 3:42 pm
Common sense and common decency say the best way to refute any and all claims of election fraud is not to tell those with questions to shut up, or to threaten them, but to answer them substantively. And that would be best done if all those involved welcomed and encouraged full and transparent audits and cyber investigations by trusted law enforcement experts, and then shared the results with the public. A victorious party or candidate would have everything to gain by validating the legitimacy of the election in this way, and the country would greatly benefit, too.
In a nutshell, this paragraph sums up thinking Americans’ concerns about the 2020 election. The question most of us have burning is If you believe in your heart that Joe Biden won with the largest vote total in the history of the country legitimately, why do you stifle any and all calls to verify the results? Maybe you have nothing to hide but, like a child who has been caught by a parent with his/her hand at the proverbial cookie jar and with smeared chocolate chip remnants on his/her face, the cover-up is always worse than the initial crime! The 2020 election makes Richard Nixon look like a choirboy!
Voted in Dallas county elections when the new electronic voting came out, had to put card in a couple of times before it was taken. It looked secure, then came out that 10 thumb drives were lost. They said that something was done to count the votes on the lost drives and it did not change the results.
All scanned ballots should be part of the ‘public’ record.
Ellis Wyatt
May 3, 2021 3:57 pm
Personal hit jobs still don’t answer the question, if the election was not fraudulent what would be so wrong with doing an audit?
Nobody cares about the hit piece, tell me about the results of the audit and if there was fraud start doing these same audits in Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Nevada.
The activist press does not control the narrative like it once did. Had Biden not been an absolute train wreck in his first hundred days, much of the populace would have moved on. Now more people are asking how we got here?
If they are just NOW asking “how we got here?”, they are as much of the problem as the tru believer leftists.
UncleGrumpy
May 3, 2021 4:29 pm
Scared they are.
Zy
May 3, 2021 4:40 pm
The key is to get ahead of the story and prepare.
Konrad
May 3, 2021 4:45 pm
Debbie Georgatos’s responses to the Washington Compost are excellent, but her hopes that they will avoid a hit piece will be disappointed.
There is an overall message in her responses: what the media is trying won’t work and is just making the situation worse.
The Establishment Misleadia still hasn’t got the message that they have lost their undeserved power as gatekeepers of opinion and record. All their propaganda couldn’t stop Trump winning in 2016. Their propaganda couldn’t stop Trump increasing his vote by 12,000,000 in 2020 and legally winning the election. It required massive electoral fraud to engineer a Biden “win”.
From this the Misleadia should be able to work out that all their propaganda cannot make people believe Biden is the legitimate president. Just as the public hatred of their propaganda boosted Trump’s 2020 vote, their efforts to censor, silence and smear will just increase the number of citizens convinced of the 2020 electoral fraud.
I think her response expecting fairness is excellent. If you were that reporter or his editor, how do you smear her for doing the interview? She has her ducks in a row ready to crap on the Compost heap. They run the story as a hit piece, and she gets to call them out to a wider audience. Once 60-70% of the nation is asking the questions she posed, its over. The resolution is not in the courts or the next election, it is in informing the general population of what went down. I know honest people who have helped with elections in the past in precincts that did it by the book. They cannot yet comprehend that 8 or ten counties could generate the corruption necessary to steal the election. Data and evidence have a way of sticking around, and decent, honorable people need to have their eyes opened, one pair at a time.
If every one does this, replies in writing publicly, even if shorter and less thorough, it will limit MSM on its room to lie without major lawsuit losses. A million here, a million there and soon you’re talking real money…
I know, it is almost as if one of her balls slips outside of her panties and she sits on it.
All kinds of entertaining.
Okie Cat Backer
May 3, 2021 6:03 pm
Her rebuttal…I mean answer…was epic!
Okie Cat Backer
May 3, 2021 6:05 pm
Sorry for a double post, but I’m having a thought….
We know the CIA has the tools to make their hacks appear to have come from a foreign entity. While I have no doubt China did play a role, what if the larger role was actually played by the CIA? They just covered their tracks to make it appear foreign
…..question? How do we know that the cia and ccp are NOT cooperating? Remember, there are no conspiracies…but coincidences??
Nessie509
May 3, 2021 6:13 pm
I don’t think the Federal Government has not any jurisdiction over the Arizona State Legislature’s Audit.
Election matters are left to the States in the constitution.
Best move for the Arizona Democratic Party is to find a scapegoat to blame.
Biden stays in office even if Arizona Electoral Votes taken from his 306 votes.
But, I wouldn’t want to be a Democrat trying to hold my seat in Congress in 2022.
Ghostwriter
May 3, 2021 7:52 pm
This is how it is best done at the socialist communists: LEAD! Get out in front of their hit piece; isolate it, marginalize the paper and the writer and expose the false narrative BEFORE it prints! Well done!
Phil aka Felipe
May 3, 2021 8:24 pm
“I have set forth below the email text questions sent to me by Mr. Swaine, and my emailed responses. I have done so in order to avoid the usual dynamic of responding/reacting to a hit piece after its publication, when everything then said by a respondent is viewed with a jaundiced eye as the product of defensive scrambling. Instead, you can read for yourself what I wrote to Mr. Swaine, and, if the Washington Post eventually runs a story on Mr. Ramsland, you can then read for yourself how Mr. Swaine and his editors chose to fold my input into (or leave it out of) their story.” (Bold emphasis mine)
Way to go PLAY OFFENSE, Debbie! Nice preemptive strike!
Brant
May 3, 2021 9:52 pm
While the narrative is in the works from the left perspective we must also realize the media will bring out the usual suspects from the right to give the “official/approved” take from the right and that will be touted as accepted in nationwide GOP”polls”. We will never even be heard from.
I dunno how I did it but i got behind the paywall 😛
From
@MJGerson
“Lord, Lord, how this world is given to lying!”
— “Henry IV,” Part 1, Act 5
For the activist base of the Republican Party, affirming that Donald Trump won the 2020 presidential contest has become a qualification for membership in good standing. For the party’s elected leaders, accepting the clear result of a fair election is to be a rogue Republican like the indomitable Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) — a target for Trump’s anger, public censure and primary threats.
Nothing about this is normal. The GOP is increasingly defined not by its shared beliefs, but by its shared delusions. To be a loyal Republican, one must be either a sucker or a liar. And because this defining falsehood is so obviously and laughably false, we can safely assume that most Republican leaders who embrace it fall into the second category. Knowingly repeating a lie — an act of immorality — is now the evidence of Republican fidelity.
This kind of determined mendacity requires rolling out the big guns. Said the prophet Isaiah: “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil.”
Moral clarity against lying is sometimes made harder by our loose application of the term. When public figures disagree with you in their analyses of tax policy, or welfare spending or Social Security reform, they’re generally not lying. They’re disagreeing. When it’s revealed that someone was previously wrong about an issue — even on a grave matter of national security — it doesn’t mean he or she was lying all along. It means that person was wrong.
“To preserve the meaning of words,” said Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), “is the first responsibility of liberalism.” Precisely because principled disagreement is essential in a democracy, we can’t attribute every difference to deception. This form of false witness is a tool of polarization and a method of dehumanization.
It’s important to keep perspective about the stakes of any given lie. There is reason the English language has so many words to describe the shades of culpability in a deception. You can equivocate, or dissemble, or palter, or mislead, or prevaricate, or fib, or perjure. There are mortal lies and venial lies, cruel lies and merciful lies. Context matters.
Speaking of perjury, almost any GOP response to charges of deception will eventually include the words “Bill Clinton.” In a time of rampant whataboutism, Republicans often point out that Clinton was a spectacular liar defended by his party. What they fail to acknowledge is that many elected Democrats criticized his lying under oath, even as they opposed his impeachment. Clinton was not insisting his supporters share in his immorality to show their loyalty (though that might have had some appeal when it came to other human failures).
The context for Trump’s lies has been particularly damning. When Trump falsely asserted that Barack Obama was born in Africa and thus illegitimate as president, it was permission for racism. When he claimed he saw Muslims in New Jersey celebrating on Sept. 11, 2001, it was a vicious lie to feed a prejudice.
But the lie of a stolen election is the foundational falsehood of a political worldview. Believing it requires Trump’s followers to affirm the existence of a nationwide plot against him and his supporters — a plot led by ruthless Democrats and traitorous Republicans, and ignored or endorsed by useless courts and a complicit media. The claim’s plausibility is not the point. Does it really make sense that Attorney General William P. Barr, who found no evidence of election fraud that could have changed the result, was in on the plot? Were the conservative judges Trump appointed who dismissed his rubbish lawsuits really out to get him?
Such considerations don’t seem to matter. In the 1930s and ’40s, was it plausible that the democratic leaders of Weimar Germany had stabbed their own country in the back and betrayed its people? Or that an international conspiracy of powerful Jews was controlling world events?
Trump’s lie is not the moral equivalent of fascist propaganda. But it serves the same political function. A founding lie is intended to remove followers from the messy world of facts and evidence. It is designed to replace critical judgment with personal loyalty. It is supposed to encourage distrust of every source of social authority opposed to the leader’s shifting will.
The people who accepted this political mythology and stormed the Capitol were not lying about their views. They seemed quite sincere. And who knows what Trump really thinks? When a congenital liar surrounds himself with sycophantic liars, he can easily lose radio contact with reality.
No, it is the elected Republicans who are lying with open eyes, out of fear or cynicism, who have the most to atone for. With the health of U.S. democracy at stake, their excuses are disgraceful.
Read more:
Greg Sargent: The Big Lie has gotten so bad that even some Republicans are running from it
Paul Waldman: The only thing Republicans are debating is their degree of loyalty to Trump
E.J. Dionne Jr.: Biden could be the one to finally begin poaching the GOP’s core voters
Catherine Rampell: Biden upends the Republican ‘unity’ test
Bulldog84
May 4, 2021 7:55 am
I love that she did this. Exposing the hack’s documented false premises sent to her via email.
FTA – “Legitimate concerns about the 2020 election exist, and they demand rigorous investigation by law enforcement authorities without a political agenda and determined to get to the truth. There has been no such investigation. No wonder there is such unrest among the American people.”
And the fact that all major media outlets continue to ignore this truth is only adding to the unrest, IMHO! Curious as to why the WaPo is running this piece now? Who does the CIA want them to go after and who are they trying desperately to protect?
The Dems were counting on passing HR1 and in so doing legalize the theft of elections in their favor. This credible audit stands to destroy their canard of “there’s no voter fraud”. So in typical leftist/fascist fashion they attack the auditors not the potential findings of the audit. Don’t get me wrong they’ll do that too but terrorizing those that question them has yielded some dividends so they are trying that first. Rest assured they’d let it all play out without hindrance if they truly believed they could say “I told you so” at the end of the audit.
“Spy Plane Circles Arizona Election Ballot Counting Center” at > theGatewayPundit(.)com > what next, a Nashville AT&T Drone missile strike, blamed on Patriots ?
They’re searching for the Founder’s Republic. To make sure its gone.
Under the present circumstances, this just might be “prudent security!”
Spy plane has a banner that says, “Surrender Dororthy!”
it could certainly happen, don’t doubt it . . . we are at war, treat it as such. An illegitimate government knows no bounds.
They won’t investigate Election Fraud–only those who do.
WaPo is the CIA’s Color Revolution mouthpiece.
I strongly suggest people click the link “READ DETAILS HERE.” Sundance doesn’t need to copy-paste the page information here does he/she/sher/zhey? I think we’re smart enough.
After reading through it, I generally concur. The narrative is cooking already.
My opinion is it won’t work. The “left v everyone-else” divisions are shifting away from the left. The people who are still with the left will continue with their bias and this hit will serve as additional confirmation for those on the left. The “everyone-else” division will also see this as more confirmation…. confirmation that they are crooks which cannot ever be unseen once we see it. No one will be surprised by this.
But the more they lay this garbage on, the slower the shift away from the left moves. The more silent they are, the faster the division shifts. The news cycle is timed optimally to reduce “defectors.” But the defections cannot be stopped. And they will NEVER win anyone back. They are just buying time.
Agreed. It was a good read. Very thoughtfully written. Patrick Byrne again factors into the discussion.
DD
Daniel,
Good points but the shift from the left narrative will just be consumed by the rights own agendas and narratives…
Which is the election was fair…
The two party potomac two step is a brilliant dance. They already have even the majority of those here believing in voting again.
Mission accomplished.
Mike – when you write “the rights own agendas”, I think (correct me if I am wrong) you are conflating the Uniparty RINOs with real conservative patriots (Deplorables.). That would be incorrect, IMHO.
The Uniparty is NOT “the right”. They are not conservative by almost any standard, therefore cannot lay claim to being the Right.
We know the Uniparty’s ridiculous claims about the election. Romney, Graham, McConnell, Cindy McCain and other DeceptiCONs have made their baseless assertions well known, since the MSM has been all too happy to publicize them.
The problem I see with your post is that the Uniparty’s baseless claims will NOT overshadow the truth that is being brought forth every day by real investigative journalists on a large number of aternative news sites and blogs. The AZ audit is not only proving my point; Debbie Georgatos made that unmistakenly clear in her reply to WaPoop.
I do not believe the Uniparty will accomplish their “mission.”
so you don’t vote?
mission accomplished. lets those demmies run the show. yeah baby.
Mike, I do not believe we have a two party system…..anymore. If we ever did. What we have thrust down our innards is a uni-party of traitors and corporate globalists elites who believe they know better how we should live our lowly lives….there are no MAGA voters in the uni-party pit.
Mike I agree with what you said except the “brilliant dance” part. To me brilliance means it shines, stands above. I think a more fitting word would be diabolical which means it is dark and evil. JMO.
Daniel:
The news cycle, at this point, is mostly the news media talking to each other, posing for each other. It’s this temptation, this imperative that has poisoned Fox: they have to worry about their next job. The shriveling of their industry has caused them to confuse cause and effect.
Big Brother only needs one talking head to read tonight’s propaganda headlines. We are still in the transitional stage when 100 clones express the same ideas while pretending there is some version of free expression going on. So lucky that everyone reaches the exact same conclusion!
The people, of course, are tuning out. What’s left? A 1984 world where turning off the TV is impossible. Don’t put it past them.
It is not the “ left” it is elites uniparty at war with us. They prop up public figures like barry”the 1/2 white muslim” but he is way to stupid and in love with himself to operate the coup. Paul ryan another they pay them millions to be the public figure which is chump change the the scum behind the curtins.
Wow, I do not know and have never heard of Debbie Georgatos, but she seems to certainly have her stuff together.
It sure looks to me like she will never be a push over for the WAPOO propagandists.
You Go Girl!!
Not backing down…not dodging the question…standing straight.
I admire this more than any other trait in a patriot.
God Bless America
Agree regitiger.
Nice to see a backbone for a change.
The video of the interview with Russ Ramsland made a few weeks after the 2020 election is linked in the piece by Debbie Georgatos. It is very good and I recommend everyone on CTH to view it. But Russ Ramsland appeared at an interview with Ms Georgatos also a few days PRIOR to the election. Another must view:
https://americacanwetalk.org/russ-ramsland-of-allied-security-operations-group-joins-me-to-talk-election-fraud-10-28-20/
Related… this was the first I saw of Ramsland/ASOG originally published on YouTube like Nov 3rd or 4th, IIRC. Then YouTube zapped it within a day or two, and it was uploaded to Bitchute on the 8th.
Ramsland walks through all the technical detail of ASOG’s 2018 Texas investigation.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/scUpSRkNoj9g/
A thorough forensic audit would prove to the world the election was legitimate IF IT WAS ! The Left knows the election was stolen and they don’t want the truth to be revealed.
gnome:
I miss Rush Limbaugh more every day. He predicted this stuff like a psychic. The very premise of a democracy is opposed strongly by the Democrats (and Uniparty Republicans like Romney and lizard Liz).
Hillary’s Deplorables speech was the harbinger. Those who dissent from the leftist agenda are not human, simply not fully human. Giving us a vote is like giving a dog, an ape a vote. And Nazis reveled in presenting “the other” as less than human.
I’m not sure it really matters what type of push back you see on either side of this voting thing.
It’s become overly obvious that the states themselves are too far gone to care. Too complicit in the federal scheme of funny money, their reliant on and beholden to it. You really can not blame the feds for what transpired in the election… Each county and state was independently responsible. Each legislative body stood down, every governor complied. Even the fake pushback we saw was mostly staged non intervention. If it was real, boy they laid down quick!!!
Too many of us seem too comfortable accepting that were going to some how “out vote” whatever thingy is the new topic of the day.
I’ve been seeing and hearing that my whole life and to be honest I can name a single “win” that’s actually been a “win” for the american public.
We need to move past the petty symptoms and get into the problems… But no one seems to want to get there.
Well I disagree on just about every point.
PDJT did a great deal and continues to WIN.
Ron DeSantis and other governors with a spine are stepping up and making important decisions on freedom and liberty. State Legislatures are also growing a spine, because the people are organizing and raising merry hell!
Only the mentally disabled believe 2020 was NOT Stolen.
About 1/3 of our population wanted to get to the problems on November 3, 2020 to continue to Make America Great. Prior to that there was a Tea Party organization with millions of solid citizens ready to get at those problems and fix them.
Not to bore you, I will leave it at this: Each and every one of us should be able to recite the problems and work at solving them.
We are now being ruled by Fascists. It’s real.
But we don’t have to participate in it or accept it.
Just follow the example of PDJT; he’s doing so much more than anyone of us will ever know.
And realizing that Nothing lasts Forever. This Fascism will not last; we are winning and will continue to win, unless we give in and give up.
Thank you.
Nope, nope, nope.
Small pockets of resistance in most every state now.
Conservatives running for school boards, local offices.
Resisting face diapers.
Why do we only hear about the failures or apathy, but not the many little successes?
Throwing sand into the machinery is just as effective as boulders, and not so obvious to the narcissistic left.
Florida is leading. Other states will follow.
…..how ‘abt a ~60 or so house flip during the Tea Party hay days?? In the 90’s I believe. The voters were pissed off at democrat policies and told the politicians so. The largest house flip ever, if my old mind is still functioning correctly. Steve Bannon has brought this up many times on his Warroom Pandemic blog…..which you might want to listen to. Go to america’svoice.news for Steve’s two hour show M-F at 1000 ETZ. It’s ‘signal’, not ‘noise’, which seems to played through your comments. How-some-ever, enjoyed your comments.
I really wonder if any MSM media (other than Google) is actually making money. The internet broke their gate guarding monopoly over mass communication and decades of exposure has cut their audience below what is needed to pay for their operations. It is billionaires like Bezos who prop them up because enough low info people are still swayed by them.
The MSM knows their propaganda has no effect on conservatives and is probably discounted by a majority of independents. Their ability to generate a “stampede” effect to drive a political decision was tested over multiple impeachment attempts and failed. They truly thought the RINOs would do as they were instructed based on feedback from “moderates” within the Republican voter base. This is why you are now seeing so much talk of “deprogramming” and how to go about it.
– False claims about election fraud have resulted in a significant section of the country refusing to believe the results of the 2020 election. Some even stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 in protest. Do you think you helped to spread such false claims?
Strawman argument. The ones that “stormed” the Capital were subsequently identified as mostly affiliated with left wing groups such as antifa and BLM
Absolutely correct. I remain disgusted at the number of people who are supposedly on our side who continue to apologize for Jan 6 and coyly, indirectly blame Trump supporters for the violence that occurred, while never questioning the morals and legitimacy of those in the DOJ / FBI who refused to investigate and hold accountable the man who shot and murdered Ashley Babbit.
No one “Stormed the capital”. A few hundred people WALKED into the capital. A handful pushed aside flimsy barriers and tussled with the police. Many of those who fought with the police were Leftists or kooks found in every crowd. The protestors killed np one. 60-100 people have died at BLM/Anitfa riots.
They are not challenging the audit. They are challenging the premise that the American people have the moral right to select their own leader. We are in Nietzschean, fascist territory now: only the superior people should be picking the leaders. Who are the superior people? Apparently it’s Joe Biden (?).
Why are Romney and Liz Cheney so damned self-righteous? They are insiders, the superior people. The supermen, but they certainly wouldn’t be honest with us or themselves by saying it, like that.
The isolation, the bubble of Washington has to be ended. Disperse the bureaucracy across the country. Let Chris Wray enjoy living in Portland, where Antifa is only an idea. Sweet..
Both Cheney and Romney are arrogant elitists. They rule, we submit. George Bush is the same. So is Chicom Mitch. All of them lie, because they don’t think we deserve the truth.
The way some of those questions were loaded, almost akin to, “So, Debbie Georgatos, do you still beat your husband?” Or, “Have you told your husband of your affairs?”
Today’s alleged journalists are such a tacky crew.
Yep, this question by the WaPo reporter tells you where this is headed…
“False claims about election fraud have resulted in a significant section of the country refusing to believe the results of the 2020 election. Some even stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 in protest. Do you think you helped to spread such false claims?”
It’s worth repeating that all of us, in every state, have always had the legal right to “contest” any election, large or small. As long as we were willing to post bond to cover the state’s actual expenses if we lose, we always had the right to demand an audit … and not just the routine “risk audit.” While we probably wouldn’t choose to be as exhaustive as the Arizona Senate has chosen to be, we have always been entitled to demand an independent audit.
So, what Arizona is now doing is not only legal, but it is our legal right. And it always has been.
We’ve just been … stupid, all this time … for not exercising this right routinely. “Trust, but verify.”
P.S.: In every state, election fraud is at least a “Class-5 Felony Offense!” Which causes you to book a room in the State Hotel and to stay there for a long time.
DNC and other Leftie’s attack dogs have done everything to stop udits for the last 40+ years including the ban on RNC challenging Dem’s longstanding history of vote fraud.
Just the case of LBJ “helping” FDR, should silence any honest democrat about this. The Dems now are literal pros, long subsidized a myriad of ways through the Lawfare/Welfare state.
The other day I visited our local bar/grille historical building (300 years old) in my Hispanic village (now bedroom community) where I encountered a few friends. One friend had a new bud joining him sipping wine who seemed a rather interesting person. At first I did not notice his orientation. He had recently lost his partner who I referred to as his “significant other” where he immediately corrected me that it was his “spouse” which told me this was a serious “love affair” of many years. My other friends who joined us in conversation were all having a grand time telling stories and sharing experiences. No one, not even me, was bothered nor intimidated by anyone’s orientation. What caught my attention was how the definition of “marriage” had moved on from the classical to now, the “progressive” definition.
Look around you and see those who come forward–with determination, to re-define the meaning of words and phrases, suggesting a new lexicon; yet advocating the destruction of older meanings, definitions, etc. Why such energies? Inclusion, diversity and equity seems to be the rallying call here.
What comes after such efforts? Here is where all this “lying” comes into play. White is now black and black is now white!
Rodney King’s line “Can’t we all just get along?” is a good thought, but how does it comes into being a real reality? Cognitive dissonance on steroids…
Let me shove this down your throat…I just do not like such an approach, but what else is Black Lives Matter, or Antifa but that kind of game plan? And look who is following these mobs (in their limos, with guards, etc.!), our elites, or those who think of themselves as our “betters” in so many ways. Lead from behind…it is safer (so they think).
Even my prep school (The Pennington School…oldest Methodist supported school in America) has adopted this curriculum as presented in it’s web site. So much for a serious, religious foundation after 180 plus years!
Taking a chainsaw to this tree with all those branches will not be enough, one will have to pull up all the roots and then start a major bonfire…cancer is here in political thought, if we do not destroy it, it will destroy our society as we know it.
I don’t argue against change, I don’t say yesterday’s thoughts, beliefs must be locked in stone, what I say is that there are ways to effect change. If those anti-Americans or those who just want simple change can’t see another way than shoving it down our throats, then they should not complain when we choose to do the same to them!
This is a major tug of war…and civil war just may be where we decide who will survive!
It’s already too late…..
C’mon Marine, Chesty wouldn’t quit. We are gonna need you.
He would just surround them from the inside again.
Jen Chen in the Epoch Times quotes Solzhenitsyn:
“More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.
“Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution … But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”
3% of 345 million is…….quite a large number folks. If it ever come to that. Hope not.
You lost me. Did you mean 13%…or 23%?
Someone posted a link to her talk show months ago, I’ve been meaning to check it out, her responses were excellent!
Ramsland seems untouchable to me. His credentials are superb and impressive.
Well, that won’t stop WaPo if they are told by their cabal to rip into him, however, he is not easily intimidated AND does some pretty good investigative work.
I’ve listened and watched many of his interviews; he can handle the DC sludge machine.
Intelligent and well spoken, yes. However, he is not a household name, but he is about to be.
Remember that tried and true expression about how you only have one chance to make a good first impression? Well, it looks like the WaPo is positioning themselves to make sure the country’s first impression of Ramsland is a negative one. From that point on he will always be seen as suspicious, as being on the defensive. Worst case scenario for the Post when he fights back is they have to post a brief retraction, buried in the back of an issue where no one will see it. Too late then, the country will have seen the image of Ramsland that the Post wants to portray. Mission accomplished.
Might be but there is some sloppy work here:
Do Trump’s Lawyers Know What They Are Doing?
The Ramsland affidavit is part of the Trump team’s case relating to Dominion. In paragraph 9, the affidavit states:
But according to the article they were using Minnesota data. (I actually think the Mi data is worst)
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php
And from the liberal left:
Michigan officials: The Ramsland analysis of Antrim County voting nothing more than “a series of unsupported conclusions”
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2020/12/15/michigan-officials-ramsland-analysis-antrim-county-voting-nothing-series-unsupported-conclusions-n377702
…..he’s been with Mike Lindell on Lindelltv.com as well as frankspeech.com. frankspeech.com is slowly coming into world wide focus. 10 May ’21 is another launch date scheduled in the Corn Palace in SD, 6:00 pm, or 1800 for my fun loving hell raising patriots. Give it a try creepers. There were start up problems, but I’m now able to watch & learn & spread the good news.
I remember her interview and found it to be informative. Her answer to the reporter are very good.
Unfortunately, the target audience will be informed of what the targets are supposed to think.
Her hopes that it will be a fair article are naive to an extreme. The submitted questions tell you the article has already been written, and they would just like to twist some answers to fit their narrative.
Awesome piece. She took it point by point, very measured and totally focused. She does give WAPO far more hope and credit for this not being a hit piece. I get why she did so but I have no such faith whatsoever. They have been, are and will be enemy of the People.
Common sense and common decency say the best way to refute any and all claims of election fraud is not to tell those with questions to shut up, or to threaten them, but to answer them substantively. And that would be best done if all those involved welcomed and encouraged full and transparent audits and cyber investigations by trusted law enforcement experts, and then shared the results with the public. A victorious party or candidate would have everything to gain by validating the legitimacy of the election in this way, and the country would greatly benefit, too.
In a nutshell, this paragraph sums up thinking Americans’ concerns about the 2020 election. The question most of us have burning is If you believe in your heart that Joe Biden won with the largest vote total in the history of the country legitimately, why do you stifle any and all calls to verify the results? Maybe you have nothing to hide but, like a child who has been caught by a parent with his/her hand at the proverbial cookie jar and with smeared chocolate chip remnants on his/her face, the cover-up is always worse than the initial crime! The 2020 election makes Richard Nixon look like a choirboy!
Voted in Dallas county elections when the new electronic voting came out, had to put card in a couple of times before it was taken. It looked secure, then came out that 10 thumb drives were lost. They said that something was done to count the votes on the lost drives and it did not change the results.
All scanned ballots should be part of the ‘public’ record.
Personal hit jobs still don’t answer the question, if the election was not fraudulent what would be so wrong with doing an audit?
Nobody cares about the hit piece, tell me about the results of the audit and if there was fraud start doing these same audits in Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Nevada.
The activist press does not control the narrative like it once did. Had Biden not been an absolute train wreck in his first hundred days, much of the populace would have moved on. Now more people are asking how we got here?
If they are just NOW asking “how we got here?”, they are as much of the problem as the tru believer leftists.
Scared they are.
The key is to get ahead of the story and prepare.
Debbie Georgatos’s responses to the Washington Compost are excellent, but her hopes that they will avoid a hit piece will be disappointed.
There is an overall message in her responses: what the media is trying won’t work and is just making the situation worse.
The Establishment Misleadia still hasn’t got the message that they have lost their undeserved power as gatekeepers of opinion and record. All their propaganda couldn’t stop Trump winning in 2016. Their propaganda couldn’t stop Trump increasing his vote by 12,000,000 in 2020 and legally winning the election. It required massive electoral fraud to engineer a Biden “win”.
From this the Misleadia should be able to work out that all their propaganda cannot make people believe Biden is the legitimate president. Just as the public hatred of their propaganda boosted Trump’s 2020 vote, their efforts to censor, silence and smear will just increase the number of citizens convinced of the 2020 electoral fraud.
I think her response expecting fairness is excellent. If you were that reporter or his editor, how do you smear her for doing the interview? She has her ducks in a row ready to crap on the Compost heap. They run the story as a hit piece, and she gets to call them out to a wider audience. Once 60-70% of the nation is asking the questions she posed, its over. The resolution is not in the courts or the next election, it is in informing the general population of what went down. I know honest people who have helped with elections in the past in precincts that did it by the book. They cannot yet comprehend that 8 or ten counties could generate the corruption necessary to steal the election. Data and evidence have a way of sticking around, and decent, honorable people need to have their eyes opened, one pair at a time.
If every one does this, replies in writing publicly, even if shorter and less thorough, it will limit MSM on its room to lie without major lawsuit losses. A million here, a million there and soon you’re talking real money…
“Debbie Georgatos’s responses to the Washington Compost are excellent, but her hopes that they will avoid a hit piece will be disappointed.”
Debbie will not be disappointed. She knows whom she was writing. Hers was a preemptive “hit piece” on WAPO.
First I’ve seen Misleadia. I like it.
Rachel M. is gonna LOVE this!!!
She’ll be contorting in a gazillion different directions on her show tonite!
I know, it is almost as if one of her balls slips outside of her panties and she sits on it.
All kinds of entertaining.
Her rebuttal…I mean answer…was epic!
Sorry for a double post, but I’m having a thought….
We know the CIA has the tools to make their hacks appear to have come from a foreign entity. While I have no doubt China did play a role, what if the larger role was actually played by the CIA? They just covered their tracks to make it appear foreign
…..question? How do we know that the cia and ccp are NOT cooperating? Remember, there are no conspiracies…but coincidences??
I don’t think the Federal Government has not any jurisdiction over the Arizona State Legislature’s Audit.
Election matters are left to the States in the constitution.
Best move for the Arizona Democratic Party is to find a scapegoat to blame.
Biden stays in office even if Arizona Electoral Votes taken from his 306 votes.
But, I wouldn’t want to be a Democrat trying to hold my seat in Congress in 2022.
This is how it is best done at the socialist communists: LEAD! Get out in front of their hit piece; isolate it, marginalize the paper and the writer and expose the false narrative BEFORE it prints! Well done!
“I have set forth below the email text questions sent to me by Mr. Swaine, and my emailed responses. I have done so in order to avoid the usual dynamic of responding/reacting to a hit piece after its publication, when everything then said by a respondent is viewed with a jaundiced eye as the product of defensive scrambling. Instead, you can read for yourself what I wrote to Mr. Swaine, and, if the Washington Post eventually runs a story on Mr. Ramsland, you can then read for yourself how Mr. Swaine and his editors chose to fold my input into (or leave it out of) their story.” (Bold emphasis mine)
Way to go PLAY OFFENSE, Debbie! Nice preemptive strike!
While the narrative is in the works from the left perspective we must also realize the media will bring out the usual suspects from the right to give the “official/approved” take from the right and that will be touted as accepted in nationwide GOP”polls”. We will never even be heard from.
behind a paywall…
omw…his panties got twisted over The Big Lie…
I dunno how I did it but i got behind the paywall 😛
From
@MJGerson
“Lord, Lord, how this world is given to lying!”
— “Henry IV,” Part 1, Act 5
For the activist base of the Republican Party, affirming that Donald Trump won the 2020 presidential contest has become a qualification for membership in good standing. For the party’s elected leaders, accepting the clear result of a fair election is to be a rogue Republican like the indomitable Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) — a target for Trump’s anger, public censure and primary threats.
Nothing about this is normal. The GOP is increasingly defined not by its shared beliefs, but by its shared delusions. To be a loyal Republican, one must be either a sucker or a liar. And because this defining falsehood is so obviously and laughably false, we can safely assume that most Republican leaders who embrace it fall into the second category. Knowingly repeating a lie — an act of immorality — is now the evidence of Republican fidelity.
This kind of determined mendacity requires rolling out the big guns. Said the prophet Isaiah: “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil.”
Moral clarity against lying is sometimes made harder by our loose application of the term. When public figures disagree with you in their analyses of tax policy, or welfare spending or Social Security reform, they’re generally not lying. They’re disagreeing. When it’s revealed that someone was previously wrong about an issue — even on a grave matter of national security — it doesn’t mean he or she was lying all along. It means that person was wrong.
“To preserve the meaning of words,” said Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), “is the first responsibility of liberalism.” Precisely because principled disagreement is essential in a democracy, we can’t attribute every difference to deception. This form of false witness is a tool of polarization and a method of dehumanization.
It’s important to keep perspective about the stakes of any given lie. There is reason the English language has so many words to describe the shades of culpability in a deception. You can equivocate, or dissemble, or palter, or mislead, or prevaricate, or fib, or perjure. There are mortal lies and venial lies, cruel lies and merciful lies. Context matters.
Speaking of perjury, almost any GOP response to charges of deception will eventually include the words “Bill Clinton.” In a time of rampant whataboutism, Republicans often point out that Clinton was a spectacular liar defended by his party. What they fail to acknowledge is that many elected Democrats criticized his lying under oath, even as they opposed his impeachment. Clinton was not insisting his supporters share in his immorality to show their loyalty (though that might have had some appeal when it came to other human failures).
The context for Trump’s lies has been particularly damning. When Trump falsely asserted that Barack Obama was born in Africa and thus illegitimate as president, it was permission for racism. When he claimed he saw Muslims in New Jersey celebrating on Sept. 11, 2001, it was a vicious lie to feed a prejudice.
But the lie of a stolen election is the foundational falsehood of a political worldview. Believing it requires Trump’s followers to affirm the existence of a nationwide plot against him and his supporters — a plot led by ruthless Democrats and traitorous Republicans, and ignored or endorsed by useless courts and a complicit media. The claim’s plausibility is not the point. Does it really make sense that Attorney General William P. Barr, who found no evidence of election fraud that could have changed the result, was in on the plot? Were the conservative judges Trump appointed who dismissed his rubbish lawsuits really out to get him?
Such considerations don’t seem to matter. In the 1930s and ’40s, was it plausible that the democratic leaders of Weimar Germany had stabbed their own country in the back and betrayed its people? Or that an international conspiracy of powerful Jews was controlling world events?
Trump’s lie is not the moral equivalent of fascist propaganda. But it serves the same political function. A founding lie is intended to remove followers from the messy world of facts and evidence. It is designed to replace critical judgment with personal loyalty. It is supposed to encourage distrust of every source of social authority opposed to the leader’s shifting will.
The people who accepted this political mythology and stormed the Capitol were not lying about their views. They seemed quite sincere. And who knows what Trump really thinks? When a congenital liar surrounds himself with sycophantic liars, he can easily lose radio contact with reality.
No, it is the elected Republicans who are lying with open eyes, out of fear or cynicism, who have the most to atone for. With the health of U.S. democracy at stake, their excuses are disgraceful.
Read more:
Greg Sargent: The Big Lie has gotten so bad that even some Republicans are running from it
Paul Waldman: The only thing Republicans are debating is their degree of loyalty to Trump
E.J. Dionne Jr.: Biden could be the one to finally begin poaching the GOP’s core voters
Catherine Rampell: Biden upends the Republican ‘unity’ test
I love that she did this. Exposing the hack’s documented false premises sent to her via email.
I love this.