Interestingly, the alphabet narrative engineers are focused on this trial as they were with George Zimmerman. Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin is charged in the May 25, 2020, death of George Floyd.
Chauvin has been charged with second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter in the death of Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man, who died in custody.
Forensic evidence showed that George Floyd died from a “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” Other significant conditions were listed as “arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use.” (link)
A memorandum filed by the Hennepin County Attorney’s office on June 1 indicated that chief medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, who listed Floyd’s death as a homicide, thought the amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was “pretty high” and could be “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.” “[Dr. Baker] said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death,” the memo said.
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Yesterday, Donald Williams II, a combative bystander who repeatedly yelled for Chauvin to remove his knee from Floyd’s neck, took the stand and said he “called the police on the police” after witnessing the fatal arrest. Darnella Frazier, the teen who filmed the viral footage of Floyd’s death, also took the stand and described seeing Floyd “suffering” in his final moments. The propaganda machine is working diligently to frame a racist narrative.
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Four groups
Count me as a realist. Almost from the beginning, facts started coming out within just a couple of weeks, making the sanctification and idolization of Floyd all the more ridiculous.
The golden coffin they paraded his body around the country in, while no one else was allowed funerals is the biggest joke of all.
Six funerals with the (reverend) Al Sharpton and the Solid Gold Dancers….
Gives meaning to “upside down and inside out”
Yes, yes, and yes. Me too!
When I first saw what happened, the brief news clips, of the cop kneeling on his neck I was wondering what the hell is that? Then as the truth started to come out, not through the m s m of course, one could see the necessity of what was being done. Fentanyl and meth, one hell of a combination.
for better or for worst…the jury is almost presented rules that don’t allow them to exercise reasonable judgements.
as they say..
it’s not what you know
it’s what you can prove.
there’s a flip side for juries:
it’s what the rules allow for.
5 Groups
Those who believe Chauvin did everything by the book up until Floyd stopped struggling, in fact stopped moving at all nor even breathing, but kept his weight on Floyd’s neck and back. When Floyd stopped moving/resisting, policy dictated that Chauvin was to cease using the neck restraint. And this group recognizes that until proof is shown that Chauvin knew that Floyd had OD on Fentanyl, the fact that he was using drugs is not relevant to whether Chauvin violated policy.
This is not a Murder 1 case. Realistically, this is a Negligent Manslaughter case. If Chauvin violated policy, and the neck restraint contributed to Floyd’s death, I see a conviction.
Realistically, there is no way Chauvin will get a fair trial.
“Following training” is a defense, but it’s not a perfect defense. “Just following orders” has never been a get-out-of-jail card. People have a responsibility to use reason to determine whether the training they’re getting is logical and as humane as can be expected. They also have a responsibility when acting upon their training to assess whether to continue to use a restraining technique. Floyd may well have died of an overdose even if Chauvin had never touched him. We’ll never know. There was no need for Chauvin to keep his knee on Floyd’s neck after the first couple of minutes (if then). Floyd was handcuffed and – by then – shackled at the ankles. Continuing to kneel on him for 6+ additional minutes is the very definition of “reckless indifference” to his captive’s fate – whether he may have been contributing to Floyd’s death. Third degree murder is the appropriate outcome. That’s why the prosecution wanted it as a possibility and the defense
didn’t.
I remember seeing the video of the Floyd arrest within a day of the event. I was appalled. The citizens watching from a very short distance began pleading with the cops to get off Floyd’s neck. There were at least four, or maybe even more, police surrounding the handcuffed Floyd. He had been rendered incapacitated, not only by the police at the scene but, as it turns out, by Floyd’s own self-destructive actions. The look on Chauvin’s face was a total lack of concern, verging on arrogance, as the minutes passed on and on and on while Chauvin refused to take his knee away. I do not know whether his actions warrant a conviction for murder of any degree. What I do know is that this is not the type of man that should be a police officer. I pray that if God forbid, I were to find myself involved in a contrary fashion with the police, they would not be as lacking in compassion as was Officer Chauvin on that fateful day in Minneapolis.
This show trial along with the antics of BLM over the last year IS turning me into a racist.
If I didn’t fear for my life, I’d have a tee shirt made up: WHITE AND PROUD OF IT!
IKR?
I rather suspect that purveyors of racial wars understand this dynamic very well, and count on it, hoping for backlash or at least glimmerings of self-respect that they can utilize.
IKR – ?
Short for “I know, right”
These days, posting something that says, “it’s ok to be white” summons the FBI.
It is very difficult to imagine someone stupid enough to be a cop in a large American city. You get no support from city government, from the city Council, from the mayor, from the media, or from anyone else. This is a case where it is known far beyond a reasonable doubt the George Floyd died from a self administered dose of fentanyl. That’s not even in question. And yet they’re still trying him for murder. Again, I can’t even conceive of a legitimate reason why anyone would be a police officer in a large American city.
the folks who gladly take bribes to supplement income ..apply to Police daily..more and more big city cops will be third world dark skin folks..the police across the third world and say mexico show you what is coming..
hey it’s a living
The cause of Floyd’s death is very much in question. It’s a large part of what the trial is about, and the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s findings will not be the only evidence on that issue. I agree that Chauvin had to be extremely stupid to keep kneeling on a dying man’s neck for over six minutes after Floyd was shackled and had gone limp despite being video’d and with a crowd begging him to exhibit some mercy. If this case weeds out stupid cops and they have to raise pay to entice smarter people to become police, that would be a good thing.
The autopsy is always the best evidence as to how someone died. In this case the autopsy revealed absolutely no evidence that Floyd died as a result of having his oxygen cut off, i.e. death by strangulation, or by having the blood flow to his brain cut off. There’s absolutely no evidence of trauma in the neck or throat.
What the autopsy did find is that he had a fatal dose of fentanyl in his system, over three times the maximum therapeutic dose, which he self administered, admitting to the police that he had been “hooping,” which means inserting drugs rectally. One of the side effects of fentanyl is respiratory depression and pulmonary edema. Floyd’s autopsy showed that he was suffering from pulmonary edema and that his lungs had filled up with fluid. His lungs weighed 2 1/2 times the normal weight, because they were full of fluid. This is what killed him. There’s absolutely no evidence of any other cause of death. None.
The neck restraint is something that Minneapolis police officers are trained to do. Obviously it does not cut off oxygen or blood flow to the brain, and there is no evidence that it did so in this case, because Floyd was talking and moving about for the first four minutes he was under the neck restraint.
So far, not a single prosecution witness adds any relevant info except it butresses the fact of a very emotional and angry crowd that added to the stress of the situation.
Where is the prosecution going with this? Nobody disputes Chavin’s physical position relative to Floyd’s body.
Today’s last witness, Rugel, again, adds nothing. Al l is captured by video. Gaps in officer body worn camera were explained but plenty additional videos captured events. Nothing disputing conceded facts.
It is all about cause of death.
Prosecution is hiding behind emotions.
In an Emotocracy, feelz is the deal.
Chauvin was overcharged. There is no case to substantiate the charges. It is as if it were done by design to foment civil unrest, which will no doubt happen because these communities across the Nation revel in their angry victimhood as they burn, loot, and murder.
On a positive note, George Floyd recently celebrated 10 months of sobriety.
I found myself smiling on your quip. However, when seriously pondering the world of the late Mr. Floyd, nothing close to a smile comes to mind. How did this adult, driving another’s Mercedes, come to think using a fake 20 dollar bill was a smart move? A simple minded wanna be con man so high on drugs behaved liked the abandoned child he most likely was in his early youth, crying out for his mother as he entered the dark halls of death.
Too bad many males like Floyd still have not realized the problems a dysfunctional family create and the many ways they can move away from such dead ends to lead a healthier life and create new, sustainable lives for those they create, as opposed to the “hit and run” game that has been going on for far too long.
Projecting guilt onto Officer Chauvin will not get anywhere close to solving their problems, nor illuminate the realities they refuse to acknowledge!
He was demonstrably psychotic during the entire encounter. A lifetime of drug use can bring about mental illness, but mental illness can also arise without a history of drug abuse. There are over 200,000 homeless in California, most of whom are addicted and mentally ill. Most of those bear some responsibility for their condition, but hopefully we don’t become so callous to them that we let armed government employees recklessly disregard their very lives when they’re enduring a crisis. “Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me.”
Those “homeless” that you speak of…El Presidente Biden, the real “hollow man” has taken his instructions from “our dear leader” B. Hussein Obama (and his white psuedo intellectuals) where the homeless are shoved way to the rear of life as America prints more phony dollars to house, educate and provide free medical care to…illegal entrants who came to the USA because barbarians are needed to destroy our “systemic racial system” which in reality means “whitey has to go!” where Kamala Harris cackles as she ascends the steps of power to become the first, non white, female who rose to power via Willy’s willie creating the right karma which MacDaddy Barack knows how to play like a fiddle!
Symbolism over substance as I ask myself why our new Sec. of Defense reminds me of those African military dictators glaring down on his subjects. Just watch this tragedy unfold, right before your very eyes as inflation comes roaring into town!
Have the riots started yet?
I can envision the whore media covering the riots as peaceful protests.
I predict they will soon be labeling such as righteous protests.
Law enforcement in our modern Dictatorship of Mega corp owned USA..will become like so many third world countries ..
filled with corrupt cops – judges and Lawyers. all taking bribes – oh wait, after 4 yrs of Trump..we have already
arrived..good cops will be rare good judges will be removed the law schools of today only produce Lawyers who
know to not go against the system..How quiet the Law schools are about this ..is frightening
Soooo…….
The drugged out, foaming at the mouth, counterfeit money processor, large physical man with a record was claiming he could not breathe in the squad car prior to his resisting arrest and subsequent actions by police?
And the police followed policy in apprehending this criminal? Yes, knee on the neck is in training manual.
When you remove race from this terrible event, you have police following protocol in apprehending a very large, drugged up criminal.
Perhaps the lesson here as in many similar circumstances is don’t resist arrest.
And yet the media will be silent on this point.
There are many lessons here. I would suggest to cops that after they have a guy handcuffed and shackled and lying limp on the ground they might not want to continue kneeling on his neck for another six minutes recklessly disregarding his fate – especially when you’re being video’d and begged by a gathering crowd to show the shackled man the slightest bit of mercy. Because you might end up on trial for murder.
If you were a cop and as you say your perp is lying limp on the ground and you think somethings wrong and you leave the perp to summon medical help, what do you do when suddenly the faking perp gets up and somehow gets close enough to grab your gun? Serious question. What do you do now?
Pretty good description of the pertinent parts of the autopsy report at Takimag: https://www.takimag.com/article/derek-chauvin-human-sacrifice/