December 17th – 2019 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1062

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968 Responses to December 17th – 2019 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1062

  1. another face in the crowd says:

    Collins and Coles doing a good job of showing what a farce this is in the rules committee right now.

    Liked by 1 person

  2. The American Patriot says:

    Don’t they realize it does harm to this site and can drive visitors and regulars away?


  3. Reserved55 says:

    These would be Communists with a small r in their pea brains.

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  4. Paul says:

    PDJT THIS MORNING TWEETS continues to “Acknowledge” for over 3-years, thousands of threads of Criminal Acts against the Constitution and the American People.

    PDJT and Rudy Giuliani as a result of the Mueller Investigation; Rudi Giuliani was able to Legally do his duty in protecting and to exonerate PDJT, by doing what the FBI/DOJ refused to do for obvious (protecting their alleged criminal acts) reasons in gathering a “New Mountain” of paper/digital trails of evidence and witnesses from Ukraine, proving a conspiracy to Frame PDJT of actual criminal acts that the coup (Criminal Conspirators) was doing.

    Now add this new mountain of paper/digital and testimonies trails of evidence to the 3-years of mountains of evidence creates many easy criminal cases to prosecute.

    PDJT/Giuliani are instrumental in OAN investigative (not Fox News) reporting;
    PDJT now has direct evidence of Ukrainian showing Hillary allegedly conspired to frame PDJT of criminal acts that Hillary/Coup was actually doing. Rudy Giuliani has Firsthand Testimony, Documents, Affidavits, Bank Statements, Ukrainian Parliament, Latvian Money Laundering Division.

    PDJT and Rudy Giuliani were instrumental in OAN investigative reporting (3-part series with OAN Chanel Rion).

    PDJT, Barr and Durham goal is to go deep and wide proving “multiple beyond a reasonable doubt” of criminal acts within the Criminal Organization; creating multiple Beyond a Reasonable doubt for each criminal. The criminal acts will all point to one motive; Frame PDJT and protect Hillary. Than alleged criminals like Comey can’t state he did not know or it was just a mistake. This is why Comey or anyone has not yet been charged with a criminal act.

    One Example multiple criminal acts; (1) FISA-Frame PDJT (2) Protect Hillary-Not following policies and procedures in the Hillary Emails investigations;

    (1) FRAME PDJT-FISA Comey’s alleged Criminal Act “Fisa” evidence is allegedly already beyond a reasonable doubt.
    1. 51 Violations of the Wood Procedures.
    2. 9 False Statements.
    3. 9 Inaccurate Statements
    4. 33 Statements without Verification or Evidence to Support.
    5. 4 Informants Targeted at the Trump Campaign
    6. 17 Lies and Misrepresentation to the FISA COURT.

    Fisa Alleged Criminal Acts.
    1. Comey signed the highest possible level FISA warrant against the highest office in the United Stated, not once, but 3 or maybe 4 times.
    2. Comey was personally aware of exonerating evidence.
    3. Comey was aware of the Steele Dossier was a fake and made up and paid for by Hillary.
    4. Comey signed warrants that he knew should not have been signed.
    5. Comey knew these were criminal acts.
    6. Comey is 100% responsible for the 17 “mistakes” all going the same direction against PDJT
    Comey knows 1 or 2 mistakes might pass; 3 or 4 might pass depending on the materiality but 17 Lies and Misrepresentation to the FISA COURT, 51 Violations of the Wood Procedures, 9 False Statements.9 Inaccurate Statements, 33 Statements without Verification or Evidence to Support, 4 Informants Targeted at the Trump Campaign, 17 Lies and Misrepresentation to the FISA COURT

    NOW (Add) create another beyond a reasonable doubt criminal act showing the same goal/motive;

    (2) PROTECT HILLARY- Comey allegedly did not following normal investigative/prosecutorial policies and procedures while investigating Hillary Emails and the Clinton Foundation; for political reasons is a criminal act. This allegedly will be easily proven because the paper and digital FBI- work paper trails will be matched to normal policies and procedures in which PDJT and the American People has seen.

    My point is now you have two separate Comey’s alleged criminal acts within the criminal organization (wide/deep) showing the same goal of protecting Hillary and framing PDJT of criminal acts that the Coup allegedly did.

    This is how a Large Criminal Organization is investigated/prosecuted….a long and detailed process because there is possibly several hundred or more, multiple criminal separate acts.

    Beyond a reasonable doubt times the number of separate criminal acts for each criminal will clearly show beyond a reasonable doubt; the criminal knew what they were doing and these were not errors/mistakes but a massive conspiracy to protect Hillary and Frame PDJT of criminal acts they actually did. This is a coup that is part of one of the Largest Criminal Organization in U.S. history.

    Now add all the massive perjury charges, plea deals, whistleblowers etc. creates one of the “Easiest” Criminal Cases to prosecute in U.S. history.

    PDJT New Evidence and Continued Acknowledgement;
    PDJT Retweeted
    Steph‏ @steph93065 Nov 2
    You know why President Trump and @RudyGiuliani had to look into U.S. corruption in Ukraine? Because THIS happened while Hunter Biden was raking in millions and NO ONE in our justice system saw a problem with it

    PDJT Retweeted: Rudy Giuliani‏Verified account @RudyGiuliani Dec 15
    Dem’s impeachment for innocent conduct is intended to obstruct the below investigations of Obama-era corruption: – Billions of laundered $ – Billions, mostly US $, widely misused – Extortion – Bribery – DNC collusion w/ Ukraine to destroy candidate Trump Much more to come.
    Much more to Come.

    PDJT Retweeted: Rudy Giuliani‏Verified account @RudyGiuliani Dec 15
    Witness Yuri Lutsenko, inheritor of Shokin’s office: Records proving Amb Yovanovitch perjured herself at least twice. Doc’s showing she was denying visas to witnesses who could prove Biden & Dem corruption. Clear doc proof of money laundering by Burisma & Biden’s.

    PDJT Retweeted
    Rudy Giuliani‏Verified account @RudyGiuliani Dec 15
    Witness Yuri Lutsenko, inheritor of Shokin’s office: Records proving Amb Yovanovitch perjured herself at least twice. Doc’s showing she was denying visas to witnesses who could prove Biden & Dem corruption. Clear doc proof of money laundering by Burisma & Biden’s.

    PDJT Retweeted
    Rudy Giuliani‏Verified account @RudyGiuliani Dec 15
    You can question witnesses credibility but you cannot question hard documentary evidence, which each firsthand witness part of this investigation provide.

    PDJT Retweeted
    Rudy Giuliani‏Verified account @RudyGiuliani Dec 15
    Evidence revealed that corruption in 2016 was so extensive it was POTUS’s DUTY to ask for US-Ukraine investigation. Impeachment is part of Dem cover-up. Extortion, bribery & money laundering goes beyond Biden’s. Also, DNC collusion w/ Ukraine to destroy candidate Trump.

    PDJT Retweeted
    Rudy Giuliani‏Verified account @RudyGiuliani
    Dec 15Budapest | Kiev | Vienna After hundreds of hours & months of research, I have garnered witnesses & documents which reveal the truth behind this impeachment, which includes NO wrongdoing by @realDonaldTrump. These threads only touch the surface. Read & watch all. More to come.

    PDJT is 100% responsible for implementing Justice. Barr works for PDJT who gave orders to Barr during the interview process; do your sworn duty or be fired and more.

    PDJT has many paths to implement Justice and if Barr doesn’t do his duty to the Rule of Law, Constitution and the American People; PDJT is 100% responsible and must/will (bound duty) implement Justice directly.

    There are many paths PDJT could take to implement Justice; one being he can micro-manage the FBI/DOJ if needed.

    What the criminals has done and will continue to do is the unimaginable. We the People also expect PDJT to use many other paths (anything goes) if necessary, powers given to the President by the Constitution, as PDJT insurance policy.

    I believe Barr/Durham will do their sworn duty and PDJT will not have to take many other paths to implement Justice.

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    • Nicole says:

      You are Exactly Right!

      The number of P/T tweets regarding Rudy Giuliani this morning tells a story…

      The criminals will have the biggest and best Law Firms in the country and this is the largest criminal organization in U.S. history. Therefore, the prosecutors need to build solid multiple “beyond a reasonable doubt cases” for each criminal pointing to the same goal/motive of protecting Hillary and framing P/T of criminal acts that they were actually doing.

      Comey Fisa alleged criminal act is already beyond a reasonable doubt. Now add the alleged beyond a reasonable doubt for Hillary email investigation, taking classified documents, perjury, etc. will make for even easier prosecutions and many more plea deals.

      What is obvious is that the Criminals do not know how to tell the truth and it is impossible for the criminals to keep track of the thousands of pages of their prior testimonies, other criminal testimonies, other witnesses testimonies and paper and digital trails of hard evidence. Therefore, the perjury charges alone will imprison most for a long time. The country could be saved just by filing perjury charges…

      Many of the criminals will be destroyed financially and mentally..

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    • Dutchman says:

      If Barr/Durham were seriously involved in trying to expose all this WHY was it necesary to send,Rudy to uncover all this?
      You have,PDJT formally requesting the President of Ukraine, that he work with AG Barr, on these matters.

      You have AG Barr going to Ukraine, Italy and GB to establish Durhams ‘Bono Fides’ and ask these governments to cooperate with Durham.

      But, you also have the State Dept blocking the Visas of Ukranians, who WANTED to get this info to our government.

      I agree with the thrust of your long, detailed post, EXCEPT the inclusion of Barr/Durham as working WITH PDJT and,Rudy, to expose this massive criminal enterprise.

      They are cleaners, looking to ‘manage’the exposure, and clean up the mess, and PDJT and Rudy are looking to do the opposite.

      See the whole board,…

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      • Paul says:

        First, you and I see everything completely different, you could never be convinced and your views are probably supported by 90% of the poster here. We just think differently.

        I’m sure you have read a very small group of poster here since July 2016 believing and expecting Hillary and the Coup to face Justice; there is no need to repeat what has already been stated many times.

        I will answer your questions directly; in short without getting into a long, no win debate…

        Most who know/believe (just a few here) and supported PDJT planned for over 3-years (strategically changing his plan), creating this moment that built the perfect stage for prosecutions goes with the premise; Justice has to happen or this Republic is gone. Either win or die and disappear forever. U.S. history has repeatedly proved this.

        Most believe this is impossible; these same people would believe you can’t win the Revolutionary War, or WW1 or WW2 or land on the moon.

        We just think differently.

        Just a few points;
        You state; If Barr/Durham were seriously involved in trying to expose all this WHY was it necessary to send,Rudy to uncover all this?

        My reply: because Rudy has a direct duty to protect PDJT and because PDJT continues to brilliantly find any opening to fight the media, Deep State, Globalist, Rinos, Business round table etc…to ensure this civil war is won. Why? For obvious reason; because he can.

        You wrote: You have,PDJT formally requesting the President of Ukraine that he work with AG Barr, on these matters. You have AG Barr going to Ukraine, Italy and GB to establish Durhams ‘Bono Fides’ and ask these governments to cooperate with Durham.But, you also have the State Dept blocking the Visas of Ukranians, who WANTED to get this info to our government.

        My reply: There are many reasons. Maybe he is telling Barr/Durham; do your duty or face legal jeopardy because see the direct evidence I have along with the American People…etc. PDJT doesn’t explain himself of his strategic moves and why is does certain chess moves. He will give you hints. You constantly make assumptions because you do not understand what PDJT is doing…more directly; PDJT allows the criminals to expose and destroy themselves. PDJT used these 3-years while the coup was trying to stop prosecutions to continue to gather evidence, educate the people and allow the criminals to destroy themselves. I have followed PDJT throughout his business career and studied and learned how he strategically moves when faced with major business battles.

        You Wrote: I agree with the thrust of your long, detailed post, EXCEPT the inclusion of Barr/Durham as working WITH PDJT and, Rudy, to expose this massive criminal enterprise.
        They are cleaners, looking to ‘manage’the exposure, and clean up the mess, and PDJT and Rudy are looking to do the opposite.

        1. PDJT is 100% responsible for implementing Justice. Barr works for PDJT who gave orders to Barr during the interview process; do your sworn duty or be fired and more.
        2. PDJT has many paths to implement Justice and if Barr doesn’t do his duty to the Rule of Law, Constitution and the American People; PDJT is 100% responsible and must/will (bound duty) implement Justice directly.
        3. There are many paths PDJT could take to implement Justice; one being he can micro-manage the FBI/DOJ if needed.
        4. What the criminals has done and will continue to do is the unimaginable. We the People also expect PDJT to use many other paths (anything goes) if necessary, powers given to the President by the Constitution, as PDJT insurance policy.
        5. I believe Barr/Durham will do their sworn duty and PDJT will not have to take many other paths to implement Justice.

        You Wrote; See the whole board,…

        My Reply; I do not follow 90% of the board or the world…

        I do read Sundance (CTH) Great/Unbelievable Investigative reporting; the best in the country. I stopped reading to many posts here a long time ago…it can be too depressing and I just think differently.

        Enjoy the Day!

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        • Dutchman says:

          This is SO reminiscent of what I call the “Sessions wars”, on this forum that raged on for what, 2+ years?

          I was a Sessions supporter, for quite awhile, longer than some, shorter than others.

          I made all the,arguments made to explain away Sessions intransigence and lack if action

          “It takes TIME, to develop a criminal case.” “The prosecutors do not comment on ongoing investigations, and for good reason.” etc.

          There were many hurt feelings, and a lot of nasty things said, on both sides. If someone express sceptisism and doubt of Sessions, that was equated as critisism and doubt (and even betrayal) of PDJT.

          Negators were called “trolls” and disinformation agents, and nevertrumpers.

          Whereas Sessions defenders were called “hope porn addicts”, and naive dreamers, and ALSO called ‘disinfo agents’, for encouraging false, unrealistic hope.

          Eventually, for me the truth of Sessions perfidy became apperent, and I openly “ate crow” on this site, and apologised for any negativity or accusations/insults I may have thrown at the Sessions detractors.

          Where I have TRIED to come from, is bearing in mind this history, and hoping that THIS time, we can try to debate this issue, WITHOUT the personal animosity.

          I hung in there, as long as I could, with Barr. And, when I reached the conclusion he was (IMHO) a Sessions 2.0., I detailed my reasons for that conclusion.
          I have TRIED to avoid any “Jane, you ignorant slut” insults to those who disagree, but I admit its difficult when you believe you are confronting people in denial, who would rather cling to a pleasant fantasy, than accept a hard reality.

          In the end, as with Sessions we will ALMOST all know the truth about Barr, one way or another. I say ALMOST, as there are STILL some people saying Sessions was part of some master plan.

          I, too have studied DJT extensively. I believe one of his biggest strengths (among many) is that he does not allow his emotions to effect his decision making, or subsequent actions.

          Easy to say, hard for most of us to do. Con artists thruout history have known instinctively what neuroscientists have proven thru PET brainscans.
          Evoke a STRONG emotional responce, and the part of the brain that engages in critical thinking goes dormant.
          This is how intelligent people turn over their life savings to con artists.

          In essence, we do it to ourselves. Thru dilligent, conscious effort we can TRAIN ourselves to NOT let this happen, and I believe a study of DJT shows he has developed this ability.

          All the arguments in support of Barr are grounded in an emotional desire to BELIEVE, at least that is my perception.
          I don’t WANT Barr to be a ‘cleaner’, and would LOVE to be proved wrong, would joyfully eat crow, again.
          Hence, I THINK it is not my EMOTIONS effecting my judgement on this issue, but pragmatism and logic.
          Unfortunately, the victim of a con, in the middle of the con, might think THEY are thinking logically, as well,…LOL.

          In the end, we will know. In the meantime, I HOPE we can keep this,debate on “Barr/Durham, Cleaner or Housecleaner” a ‘clean’ debate, like those of us who took debate class were taught.
          NOT impugning the motive or integrity of those who disagree, trying to stick with recognised facts, etc.
          Anyway, I TRY to stick with that, while recognising I may not always succeed.
          In the end,…”We’ll see what happens”


          • lolli says:

            You did hang in there with Barr for quite a while.
            I think this post explaining where you are is exceptionally clear.
            Thank you. Regrettably, I do agree with you.


          • Brittney says:

            I respect your point of view. You state all the arguments in support of Barr are grounded in an emotional desire to believe, at least that is your perception.

            imo-“emotion” has nothing to do with those who believes justice will happen.

            Most of the posts throughout the years that I’ve read stating justice will happen including A/G Barr (today) are stating logical facts of the importance of the rule of law, which has nothing have to do with EMOTION. It has to do with the on-going concern of the rule of law and the constitution. This is a well-known concern by many reported in the press daily. It had to do with President Trump having a duty (power) to implement justice pointed out by Judicial Watch and many others.

            It also has been pointed out many times; just because you lose a battle (Sessions Period) the war is not lost. Just like any battle in all wars.

            The few posters here who have been consistent and firmly believe justice will happen, has written pure factual common sense logic showing what happens without the rule of law or justice, supporting their statement that justice will and has to happen.


            • Dutchman says:

              I DO respect the rule of law; my lifetime representing en proper (representing myself) has given me a profound and reverential respect for the rule of law, even as I have learned HOW the law actually works, as opposed to how many THINK it works.

              And, I fully appreciate that a ‘breakdown’ in the rule of law, is a direct threat to our Republic.

              I also fully accept the warfare concept of loosing a battle, but winning the War.

              I am not argueing the miscreants will not experience a cost or punishment.
              Only that I do not believe Barr/Durham, or perhaps even the courts will be the route to that ultimate Justice.


        • CountryClassVulgarian says:

          I love the way you think AND explain your reasoning.


      • TarsTarkas says:

        The DOJ underlings as show in the past 2.5 years were either non-cooperative or actively working with the coup. How could Barr and/or Durham trust them not to leak or collude/conspire with the targets? Answer: An outside investigator working independently. Giuliani.


    • Eric says:

      You nailed it exactly pointing directly to P/T multiple tweets this morning and OAN 3-part special.

      Yes! The motive is solid when you combine all the criminal charges together.

      Comey signing the FISA warrant and not knowing or depending on his staff still creates an alleged criminal act by Comey…the validation of the responsibility of the signature on the FISA warrant is bold and clear.

      The day will arrive when the word “alleged” will be taken out all news reporting…than the country will be saved.


    • Our Spirit says:

      Thank you for your contribution. We placed it here for more widespread sharing:


    • Elle says:

      Thank you Paul for laying it out. It seems Barr is being given a chance to do right. Trump has done that in the past as well. It is going down. God is on our side. Amazing how He works isn’t it? The Globalists never thought Ukraine. Goliath never thought David.

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    • Elle says:

      Thank you Paul for laying it out. It seems Barr is being given a chance to do right. Trump has done that in the past as well. It is going down. God is on our side. Amazing how He works isn’t it? The Globalists never thought Ukraine. Goliath never thought David.


    • numbersixdance says:

      Impressive analysis…you seem to have an inside heads up. What is your background? And do you believe Bar in that late spring/early summer is the timeline?


    • Brittney says:

      Paul, I was never a poster here until recently. I have been reading post here since 2016 and you and a few others wrote many detailed analysis of how the criminals will face justice.

      In fact, many during that period of time never thought the massive 90% of the news (reporting) today would be about equal justice and the rule of law. They thought it would just be swept away and disappear forever, many years ago. Just amazing were we are today. This is truly a miracle for so much corruption to be exposed to the American people which helps P/T implement Justice.

      Thank You for your contributions in supporting the rule of law and the constitution.

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    • JAS says:

      Thanks Paul. A breath of fresh air in these trying times.

      That said, my perspective is slightly different. Lots of folks, some in here as well, believe that if stuff is not going the way they want it to go then POTUS is doing something wrong.

      That is a really high bar. Then again, it’s human nature – “I want this and I want it yesterday”. The first thought that crosses my mind is “…and your qualifications are what now?”

      Never forget, POTUS is fighting the fight of the century, and he is doing it FOR US. I could go into the minutia as you did, but I don’t see the need. Suffice to say, he has the jab on the media’s jaw 24/7. And so he hires people he thinks are “trustworthy” people…. Not! He hires them because they are recommended, and if they flinch they are done FOREVER in that business. Completely exposed. And the people that recommended them as well. That’s what I call a twofer.

      So far Rudy has been the bulldog, and he is delivering the goods. Why do you think that the dimms are driving this impeachment farce down our throats? They have no choice. They are already beaten. Dimms are counting on the media to push it across the goal line for them. Stupid fools, that ship has sailed.

      Rudy has the goods, he’s done this before, and it ain’t gonna pretty. For ANYONE, including us.


  5. WeThePeople2016 says:

    Actually, this is good. Brett Winterble said today he wants it over quickly. He does not trust the DEMS. He said they are up to something if the GOP lets it go on as a trial. He said they are looking for more stuff to continue Impeachment.

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    • SR says:

      I do not trust RINO and daily fake msm stories so better to close and move.


    • CountryClassVulgarian says:

      As well he should.


      • Dutchman says:

        My a.m. ritual is to first ‘scan Faux news, before going to AmericanThinker for commentary, and then here.

        On Faux, I saw NO MENTION, at all, of the Sullivan decision.
        The lead story was of a public spat between Schumer and McConnell, on the PROCESS to be followed for the Senate trial.

        As presented in Faux, Schumer wants ONE resolution, establishing procedures, McConnell wants TWO, based on Clinton impeachment precedent.
        Schumer wants to be able to subpoena additional ‘fact witnesses’ such as Bolton and Mulvaney, that were subpoenad by House, but refused to testify or were blocked by executive priviledge.
        McConnell is argueing that Senate trial is NOT a fact finding ‘mission’, that Senate is to evaluate ‘facts’ developed during House investigation, NOT investigate, and not do what house failed to do.

        On face of it, ‘we’ should be rooting for McConnell to prevail,…right?

        WRONG. Once they detirmine that Senate trial is NOT to hear from additional ‘fact witnesses’ and is only to evaluate the House case as presented, that means the one sided kangaroo court House case is presented again, to a much larger audience, in the Senate.

        No new ‘fact witnesses’ means PDJT’s team can not present all the evidence Rudy has unearthed of massive corruption in Ukraine, by both parties.

        Think of WWE wrestling. Before the bout, the two wrestlers chorograph exactly what they will do, in the ring, with each other and the ‘ref’.

        “O.K., at beginning of 3rd round, you (ref) will have your back turned. I will hit (opponent) with a metal chair. Opponent will palm blood capsul and smash on head,…” etc.

        And, the announcer will breathlessly detail the play by play.

        The DC two-step, the kabuki theater. Don’t fall for it, its FAKE. Not only “Fake news”, but FAKE politics.

        Neither Schumer nor McConnell wants a REAL trial, with additional witnesses.

        Imagine a criminal trial, where the Judge and Prosecutors agree at the outset, that they will only review the Grand jury testimony and witnesses, and will not allow the Defence to call any witnesses.

        THATS what they are angling towards.
        IF, by presenting the one-sided case as presented in the House, to a much larger audience, and with the ‘announcer’ (MSM) breathlessly spinning Orange man bad, the polls indicate enough of a change in Public opinion, they will tell PDJT they have the votes to convict, and implore him to resign.

        If not, they will dismiss, and take what they can get, which is a major ‘trashing’ of PDJT on National TV, in the hopes of defeating him in Nov.
        And saying it didn’t succeed because those partisan Republicans whitewashed PDJT’s “obvious” crimes.

        The Senate trial is looking to be as one-sided as the House. UNIPARTY.
        ONE party, TWO faces and two faced as well.

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        • TPW says:

          Yep Nancy’s win win…….House gets to trash PT……The crooks in both houses are protected….then off to the elections where the Senste has provided cover for massive poll fraud and election cheating. and the Presidency is turned over to the dullard Biden..


          • Dutchman says:

            Well, something like that might be their plan. Granted, past performance no guarantee of future, ..etc.
            However, every plan they have hatched so far has failed, they are consistent, gotta give them that.
            Lawfare seems to be their ‘nightmare team’ rather than a ‘dream team’, Acme supply company, gang that couldn’t shoot straight idiots, and Nancy, Schiff etc. seem to be deliberately, over and over shooting themselves in the foot, so not thinking this is going to work, but that SEEMS to be their plan.


    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      Open and closed. Case dismissed.
      No more frivolous impeachments from the House.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Tl Howard says:

      I’m afraid this is how it has to be. The Dems are diabolical and Lawfare has any number of alternate plans.

      Liked by 1 person

    • L4grasshopper says:

      If true I’m Good with that.


  6. rcogburn says:

    Banks withholding financing to enforce the Paris Climate accords? Looks like a globalist workaround to USA pulling out.


    • The Boss says:

      Goldman Sachs can virtue signal all it wants. They’re globalist assholes who can be taken down a notch or two quite easily. And, GS isn’t too big to fail.

      Liked by 1 person

    • thedoc00 says:

      It is all BS. There is absolutely no way Banks can verify the investment portfolios of a single one of their borrowers who may be willingly or unwittingly invested in a “dirty” energy source project. I believe the term is “virtue signalling”. Plus, it never hurts that Goldman was on the receiving end of a fraud judgement that had zero to do with the energy source and all to do with the perpetrators.


  7. Reserved55 says:

    The ‘smart’ set.

    Liked by 1 person

  8. Amber says:

    The ranking member in the Rules Committee is roasting the Democrats for their handling of the Impeachment and Schiff’s gostapo tactics

    Liked by 1 person

  9. LouisianaTeaRose says:

    We are in unbelievable times. Donald Trump has taken a wrecking ball to a well-embedded establishment. I personally think that someone who is able to literally move the fulcrum of World Trade Policy, while taking on the wrath of US Government beaurocrats with both arms and one leg tied behind his back probably has a pretty good idea of how to design the navigation strategy in the wake of that seemingly erratic ship as it sails through those torrential waters. Kick ass, take names, manage the downside.


    I come here to learn, discuss, lament, brood, and rejoice. Throughout the posts are comments that are absolute and dogmatic. Sometimes it seems to be beyond Plato’s allegory. Lord help me that I am never so invested in what I believe to be happening that I am beyond willing to consider other observations or opinions.

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    • vmi80 says:




    • I totally agree. Look back at all the times everyone was freaking out. During the election, everyone was freaking out that they were going to steal the Electoral College votes from Trump, or that McMuffin was going to take over, etc… While he never sweated one bit. Sure he posts on Twitter, and calls it all out, but have you ever seen him sweat? Never! Some of his best rallies were amidst some of the most pervasive bashing he could ever get! The guy is a BEAST!

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    • ezpz2 says:

      Paul Manafort has been hospitalized for a cardiac event.

      What was that about a ‘wrecking ball to the…establishment’ yo were cheering about?

      The only ones whose lives have been ‘wrecked’ are associates, friends, colleagues, employees, lawyers, and even SUPPORTERS of President Trump.

      The REAL criminals in that ‘establishment’ you speak of are not only free to travel the globe, but they’re getting lucrative book deals and tv gigs.

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      • LouisianaTeaRose says:

        If the wrecking ball wasn’t working, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation. It IS working. That’s why libs are losing their marbles. Nobody supporting this President will come out without some scars. But at least they can say they were part of a fight that is worth winning….not because of the setbacks, but IN SPITE OF THEM.

        Look at trade, if nothing else. And the border. And tax cuts. And jobs. And the market. And Brexit. And Barr/Durham sending vermin to scatter. CNN viewership. #WalkaAway. And support building within minority sectors AND registered Independents. And a fighting spirit amongst many Republicans who used to be reduced to voting for Romneys and McStains. And people voting for the first time in their long adult lives who are willing to get the shit beat out of them when wearing MAGA hats.

        Nothing to cheer about, for certain.

        So glad I don’t live in that dungeon in your head.

        Gotta go pop some corn.


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      • CM-TX says:

        Thanks for saying it b/c you’re right. I’m just sorry PDJT failed to grasp the need for JUSTICE was far bigger, reaching well OUTSIDE of his inner circle. Those having no protection, or reasonable means of recourse.

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    • lawrencepaul1 says:

      “Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others.”

      ― Robert Louis Stevenson

      I felt the need to post this many, many times back then. I suspect that 2020 will be no different.

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    • getfitnow says:


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  10. burnett044 says:

    it is well worth it to watch Oliver stone`s Revealing Ukraine…

    Liked by 4 people

  11. magatrump says:

    The Dems have truly jumped the shark with this farce of an impeachment. An innocent man is being impeached in the USA. It makes my blood boil. God help this country. Please dear Lord awaken the voters of this country to elect President Trump and a GOP House and Senate in a landslide in 2020.

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  12. I, for one, am totally fine with impeachment just being disposed of after opening arguments. Get it done. Hopefully, before Christmas, Then allow Trump to spend his time focusing on winning reelection while still going after the Deep State through the process., Then a win in 2020 and hopefully, back to having a full R Congress, full conservative SCOTUS and Trump in the WH. Then he will start to get some stuff done in his 2nd term. By that point, Ds will be minority and no one will be listening to them any more at all. And Rs will have been far better schooled on the winning ways of Trumpism. Sure, we still have Pierre Delecto and a couple of other idiots running around, but Trump can handle those losers with one hand tied behind his back.

    P.S. Looking back it is just so jarring how Trump was able to hit the nail on the head with McCain so early in the game. Wow! Sorry – random thought.

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  13. Reserved55 says:

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  14. Reserved55 says:

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  15. Duke says:

    I want to add something that seems to be overlooked.

    First I want to say Sundance thank you for the research and way you present information. It’s been a huge tool for me to navigate and explain to others what is *actually* happening.

    I don’t agree with any man completely, I think that’s true for all men.

    With that said I remember not long ago you described PDJT as “famously impatient” re business negotiations.

    There has also been a lot of speculation that AG Barr is doing nothing while saying he will.

    I want to present something that hasn’t really been discussed and what I believe is actually one of the Presidents greatest strengths.

    He pretends to be impatient but he is anything but that; to wit, in The Art of the Deal he describes a decades long plan when getting control of all these different pieces of property, various rights, and so on that NYC regulations require etc.

    Just this ONE project would take almost unthinkable foresight, vision, and PATIENCE.

    To measure how things are “going” I always tune into rallies and chopper pressers to get a feel for what kind of “fighting spirit” the Pres has: he has never wavered IMHO about his future or his plans.

    Again, anyone else would show some signs of fatigue but our President I am starting to believe, has a level of consciousness that is possibly in the 600s on the Scale. This accounts for his unshakable fortitude and his ability to connect with anyone who meets him face to face and is even somewhat open, and of course, his coming from a place of Love (as we all know).

    If I lost you there keep reading.

    Before the Pres gave AG Barr authority to declassify at his discretion there had to be a conversation between the two of them.

    They made a connection.

    What do you think was discussed?

    We know Pres Trump has unbelievable long game and we know that he is more interested in healing the country more than he cares about the label of “impeached”. (Look at Billy, it didn’t phase him at all)

    We know that Trump thinks “Bigger” than anyone: I suspect he was planning on being president one day to save the country for over 30 years.

    How else can we explain how “clean” he really must be if Team Mueller couldn’t dig up ANYTHING of any real substance. Again, the man has been doing business for so long that seems almost impossible not to slip up. (Think of how many shady business deals he passed up that would have been unearthed, hell Manafort lied on loan applications and went down).

    Again, it’s well known to readers here but look at this man’s energy: he hasn’t been bogged down but has been crushing it and seems to be getting STRONGER (evidence of a high Level of Consciousness)

    The Pres himself has alluded to catching “them all”.

    This whole saga has been one of the most fantastic things I’ve ever seen and that includes all the fiction I’ve read (and I read the Counte of Monte Cristo three times).

    We know these swamp creatures think they are untouchable, Comey thought it was a joke that he’d been fired.

    We know the Pres is friends with Hannity, Rush, and so on and they can BARELY keep themselves contained.

    That article posted by Rush: it’s something that can easily be dismissed by leftists and swamp creatures.

    Rosenstein (et al )is a captive and no longer a conspirator.

    Listen to me folks: Donald J Trump has NEVER lost.

    It has NEVER happened on any significant stage that hasn’t turned out in his favor (high LoC).

    Think Big, Long Game, Never Lost

    If you read the lefts narrative they are “winning”.

    But we know that isn’t the case at all.

    Guys, everyone needs to chill.

    Those fearful for the President are afraid he is ignorant of what those around him are doing.

    The man that became a BILLIONAIRE (twice really) in NYC real estate doesn’t know what those around him are doing?

    Our President has got this.

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    • Landslide says:

      I keep a quote in my phone that he said back during the 2016 campaign. He was being asked in an interview about “being presidential”. He replied, “Presidential? I’ll tell you what’s presidential. VICTORY is presidential!” Winning is always on his mind. It’s in his DNA.👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸

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    • rvsueandcrew says:

      Love your comment, Duke!

      If you haven’t already done so, watch the film version of The Count of Monte Cristo, the one with Gerard Depardieu. I’ve watched it several times and never tire of the opening scene where Edmond Dantes, having escaped prison, bursts out of the sea with exhilaration and joy at being free, the crucifix clutched in his hand.

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    • CountryClassVulgarian says:

      You said it way better than I could. Right along the lines of where I am. Its good to know other people think along those lines too.


  16. Reserved55 says:

    The majority of dims really are stoopid.

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  17. sunnyflower5 says:


    • SR says:

      At this age people like to spend time with family and friends but Manaford is paying for PTrump’s campaign manager. The deep state and dims are keeping pTrump’s hand tight with Mueller, impeachment then election.


    • Justin Green says:

      “Paul was a great friend of the Clinton family and our selfless work overseas in areas like the Ukraine. Nobody was more shocked by Paul’s passing next Wednesday than Paul. He will be missed.”
      – Hillary Clinton

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  18. patti says:

    My Rep. is AGAINST IMPEACHMENT (the threatening emails & calls worked!)
    Read Rep. Fitzpatrick’s Statement On Impeachment Vote

    And now the loons are planning a protest this afternoon…nasty, cold, wet, pouring rain here today….lol

    Pro-Impeachment Protesters Headed To Rep. Fitzpatrick’s Office

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  19. sunnyflower5 says:


  20. zorrorides says:

    Yes, how can the Senate accept this House motion? It is a Bill of Attainder, because it declares PDJT is guilty of two charges that are not listed as crimes in US legal code. Congress is forbidden to pass any Bills of Attainder by the Constitution. There are no crimes listed in the motion to impeach. The Leader of the Senate, Mitch McConnell, should just tell the nation that the Senate will not consider the House motion but instead will return it to the House with a Letter of Disapproval with Explanation to the People.


    • zorrorides says:

      One more reason the Senate should reject the House Bill is it declares President Trump is guilty of Abuse of Congress. That’s incorrect of its face. At this point the House can declare PT has abused the House of Representatives, but not Congress.

      The House of Representatives is one-half of Congress. House members wanted status by calling themselves Congressmen. That sounds important, as if they were Senators. This also avoided naming themselves Representatives, which would give constituents an unfortunate perception at election time.

      Congress is forbidden to pass Bills of Attainder, by the Constitution.

      Therefore the Senate must refuse the House Bill if it is passed and sent to them in its current form. The President of the Senate and the Majority Leader can refuse the Bill and return it to the House on their own authority. No vote is needed, this is Constitutional bedrock.

      The House can re-impeach after they have decided what laws have been broken.


  21. WeThePeople2016 says:

    Oh no!


  22. Reserved55 says:

    Registered MS13 importer.

    Go back where you came from.


  23. Zachary Navarre says:

    I put some PSA style flyers in the break room at my employer (a large global corporation. You’ve heard of them.) this morning.

    They were totally neutral and only stated that the House will be voting on impeachment tomorrow and that we should all be contacting our representatives to let them know what we expect of them (100% neutral language).

    I also included a link to the site for figuring out who your representative is.

    As of lunch time, they have all been thrown away. I saw several people gathered around one earlier and they were talking to each other about how dumb it was that someone would leave a note like that in the break room.

    Very disappointing.

    But considering this is the same company that had HR sit me down and explain the companies harassment policy after i politely asked to be removed from company wide gay pride emails… i can’t say i’m surprised.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Debra says:

      Did they throw them in the garbage or the recycling bin? Recycling IS FOR recycling . . . take them back.

      They wouldn’t be all pc on the ecology, would they?


  24. LouisianaTeaRose says:

    Manafort. Knew a lotta stuff about a lotta stuff.

    Just like Epstein.

    I am glad Flynn isn’t in jail, and hope Roger Stone isn’t sent there before Durham starts dropping some bombs.


  25. Sherri Young says:


  26. Reserved55 says:

    “Humanitarian exchanges”

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  27. aisheschayal says:

    OAN Newsroom
    UPDATED 7:27 AM PT — Tuesday, December 17, 2019
    President Trump is doubling down on his support for Rudy Giuliani, and his ongoing probe into Joe and Hunter Biden’s’ corruption in Ukraine. While speaking to reporters at the White House Monday, he touted Giuliani’s record of fighting organized crime in New York and beyond.

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  28. WRB says:

    If the Senate can do it, rather than just dismiss the impeachment, declare that the impeachment from the House is unconstitutional (and give the reasons) and then demand that the Supreme Court rule on their assessment.

    The idea is to not just squash this impeachment, but to also:
    1) remove the stain of “being impeached” from POTUS because it “never happened”
    2) raise the bar on what the House can do with regards to impeachment. We want to shut them down from pulling the same BS stunt next month, tying the Senate in knots.

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    • Roger Duroid says:

      Yes, assuming this gets dismissed (and I don’t trust mcconnel) they will be going for the next reason for impeachment. Absolutely amazed they didn’t throw in anything with obstruction of muller, perhaps waiting to get more grand jury info, etc from the SC appeals. Expect more bs in the spring with follow on attempts. As long as they control the house, they will keep throwing out something so they can tout PDJT as being the only president impeached two or three or four times, etc. Bastages, all of them.


      • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

        We elected Trump to be our “bull in the china shop” so watching the dirty desperate democrats impeach him frivolously over & over again next year would be comical and only help ensure that they lose control of the House in November.


    • magatrump says:

      agree 1000%


    • dawg says:

      Disagree, take the case that the House gives them, as-is, full senate vote on just that, dead and done. If the Dem House wants to start all over again and have ANOTHER impeachment “inquiry” in an election year after all their polls sank during the first one, then by all means, let them.


      • zorrorides says:

        Dawg, I think the Senate can reject the House Bill and send it back, without a vote.

        Constitutionally, the Congress ( House and Senate considered together ) shall not pass any Bill of Attainder.

        Therefore the Senate must reject any involvement with this particular “crimeless” impeachment bill. The Leader of the Senate (or its President) can just refuse to accept the bill. No vote by Senators is required.


      • WRB says:

        I am not too concerned about the short term. What we don’t want is to set precedence to let this happen in the future, where both the House and Senate kick out a President for no good reason. If possible, this “fake impeachment” must be destroyed with extreme prejudice.


    • thedoc00 says:

      Nope. Just dismiss and move on as simplicity with little legal argument is the safest at this point. To complicate with terms such as “unconstitutional” adds a door for an activist judge to render and opinion. This needs to stay a purely a process between two bodies of the congress and nothing more.


      • amjean says:

        I agree with you.

        As an aside, my 14 year old granddaughter has a female classmate who
        asked to make an announcement to the class. “I am now a male and want
        everyone to call me “Jake”. My granddaughter didn’t know what to do.
        I told her not to call the transgender wannabe anything…just don’t communicate
        with her at all. Don’t complain; don’t explain; just don’t participate.


    • There is no stain from impeachment from the clowns in the House. Instead, it is a badge of honor.

      We are at war, and the Communist Party (Dems) will stop at nothing in order to destroy the Republic and remake America in their Commie image. The sooner our side realizes this, the better.

      If our side plays its hand properly in the Senate (doubtful), the left will come out looking like total fools. Sure Mitch is 100% Uniparty, but since it looks like Bernie might win the Dem nomination, I am pretty sure that the Uniparty would rather have President Trump than President Bernie. Maybe Mitch will surprise us?

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  29. Bubby says:

    FTA “At this point, there are few options left. Powell’s approach to date has been to hammer the government, believing the Judge Sullivan who witnessed the prosecutorial misconduct at play in the criminal case against the now-deceased Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens would never permit the government to destroy Flynn on trumped up charges. Judge Sullivan rejected that tactic, saying in no uncertain terms this is not the Stevens case….That would be strong evidence for Flynn to cite should he decide to fight the charge—or attempt to, as he initially must obtain leave of court to withdraw his plea. Instead, though, Powell may try one last time to highlight government malfeasance by filing a motion to dismiss based on prosecutorial misconduct, and citing the numerous examples included in the IG report that directly involve Flynn. However, given Judge Sullivan’s reaction to date, it is likely going to take something more—it is likely going to take Flynn telling him, “I’m not guilty and I only pled because they threatened my son.”

    Hope General Flynn withdraws his guilty plea but I’m relying on Sidney Powell to pull this out and save the day. This Judge’s opinion can’t be allowed to stand! If it does the corrupt Federal Judiciary and deep state will continue to survive and thrive! Godspeed General Flynn and Sidney Powell!

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    • dwpender says:

      First, let’s remember that the decisions here are up to General Flynn. Powell will advise, but it’s the General who’s facing a plainly hostile Judge and the likelihood of a far more severe sentence than most would have thought likely for a cooperating 4-Star General charged with a process crime. Filing more motions might worsen his prospects (as I’m sure Sydney will advise him.)

      Judge Sullivan has rather clearly signaled that he’ll almost certainly and summarily deny any defense motion to dismiss for gross prosecutorial misconduct. Powell may need to file one to preserve the issue for appeal, but again, it’s up to Flynn.

      Moving to withdraw the appeal is really Flynn’s only avenue to turn things around in the District Court with ANY chance of success (and I’m not saying that’s high — given Sullivan’s opinion). OTOH, if Flynn asserts his innocence, I don’t believe Sullivan would summarily deny the motion. He’ll hold a hearing and Flynn will have to take the stand, make his case (Powell questioning), and then face cross-examination by the prosecution, as well as searching examination by Sullivan. Both sides could introduce exhibits and might call additional witnesses.

      Thinking about such an evidentiary hearing, this could get VERY interesting in terms of public disclosure of so many of the items we’d like to see — perhaps even a Strozk cross-examination! What role Barr’s new leadership, as opposed to Van Grack et al, would take in the Government’s decision making could also get EXTREMELY interesting.

      A dream scenario for Flynn would be that Barr’s DOJ, confronted with the plea withdrawal motion, agrees to the withdrawal and dismisses the case! Throw in perhaps Van Grack leaving the DOJ “to spend more time with his family.” (I’m not saying any of this is likely, but perhaps Barr is finally realizing it’s time to start balancing the scales.)


    • mark says:

      President Trump please declassify the documents that Sidney Powell wants. Show that Sullivan hid Brady material and remove Sullivan from the bench. Make an example of him.

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  30. dawg says:

    Dems just needed to get the House part of the impeachment done before the end of the year so they wouldnt be blamed for trying to do it in an election year.

    Once it passed to the Senate, the process had to play out, and they hoped to drag that out as long as possible, knowing all the guilty Senators on both sides wouldnt allow too much to come out.

    And most importantly, during an impeachment trial, PT loses the leverage of declassification because it would be called “obstruction”, just like during the Special Counsel.

    Cue Schumer wanting to call new witnesses, etc…

    McConnell needs to avoid the simple majority vote that would allow new witnesses because the Dems would only need 4 Republicans to vote for that.

    Take the impeachment case from the House as presented, hear opening arguments, then have the full senate vote on that, which requires only 34 votes to kill.

    P Trump regains declass leverage, Rudy dumps everything he has, and Trump leverages Barr to prosecute Ukraine corruption or he will declass it all.

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    • Jim in TN says:

      Not sure I concur with that obstruction thing. Seems like that is arguing that obstruction of Congress is impeachable. Besides declassification should be seen as enabling Congress to get the truth out.

      It should be real easy to knock down any argument that claims letting the country know the truth is obstructing their plans.


    • mostlyogauge says:

      Hmmm. Maybe President Trump has already let it be known to McTurtle that if this isn’t just sent back to the House with no Senate action at all, then President Trump WILL declassify everything. Talk about roaches scattering when the light is turned on …..


      • dawg says:

        I actually think we want a little bit of senate action, just enough to hear the opening arguments then vote it down. So then its dead. Nothing to return to the house. If the House wants to start over, so be it.


  31. Magabear says:

    Hope everyone is listening to Rush during the 3rd hour of his show. He’s nailing exactly how the GOP senate should deal with shampeachment.

    I wonder though, if Shumer were able to get 3 republicans to go along with his shampeachment rules, Pence would still be able to break the tie? I assume so, which would really set the looney left into orbit. 😆

    Liked by 1 person

    • dawg says:

      Yeah, Im listening. Hoping McConnell maneuvers to avoid that simple majority vote that Schumer is wanting.


      • gda53 says:

        More likely that 3 or more Dem Senators refuse to impeach than that 3 GOP Senators defect.

        Joe Manchin will not impeach
        At least 2 other Senators are vulnerable if they vote to impeach.

        Bipartisan NO in the House
        Bipartisan NO in the Senate

        If not for her obvious descent into dementia, Nanci would have abandoned this long ago.


  32. Reserved55 says:

    And Crying Chuck Is Crying About Fairness

    Liked by 3 people

  33. lawrencepaul1 says:

    You have to question the intelligence of someone who remains married to this turd.

    George Conway Helps Launch Never-Trump Super PAC To Get Rid Of ‘Cancer On The Presidency’

    Liked by 3 people

    • rcogburn says:

      I keep thinking he’s threatened to embarrass her with a vicious and extremely public divorce trial.

      Liked by 1 person

    • lolli says:

      Something just ain’t right 🤔

      Liked by 3 people

    • Don McAro says:

      I think its a scam…. Its to protect her from the maniac leftists who attack republicans.
      By doing this…George keeps her of off the leftists radar because they think he’s on their side and attacking her physically would be attacking him…. So they leave them both alone…Ever hear of her being attacked at home? at a restaurant? in the street?


    • rvsueandcrew says:

      I think their personal lives are none of our business.


      • lolli says:

        So they should keep all of this ugly PT bashing between themselves. PT is her boss.
        Would you do this to your spouses boss?
        If your spouse did this to you, in front of the world, would you just accept it?

        Liked by 2 people

        • lawrencepaul1 says:

          And if it were not for the fact that she is on Trump’s team, not only would nobody give a damn what he does, they wouldn’t even know who he is. She gives him a platform.


        • rvsueandcrew says:

          lolli….What I would or wouldn’t do to my spouse or my spouse’s boss is irrelevant.

          Kellyanne, for whatever personal reasons, is staying married to the creep. She shows tremendous self-restraint and class by refusing to fight with her husband in public which would make a spectacle far worse than the one we make by repeatedly harping about her marriage. We’re feeding the troll she’s married to.


      • willthesuevi says:

        I would agree, except it was George who decided to air their dirty laundry in public.


      • lawrencepaul1 says:

        I am of a different opinion.


        • rashomon says:

          I am, too, because the MSM love to flaunt headlines quoting Georgy Porgy’s disdain for PDJT. What really fries me is their calling Mr. Kellyaane “a conservative’! He is not. He’s a narcissistic brat.

          Liked by 1 person

          • lawrencepaul1 says:

            He and his crew are globalist republicans and owned by the chamber of commerce.
            The media thinks that everyone who is republican is a conservative.
            I’m with you Rashomon, it bugs the hell out of me too.


  34. rcogburn says:

    Interesting rumblings from the opposition: the pro-removal NeverTrumpers at the Bulwark backing the DNC libs. They fear the McConnell Senate will vote to acquit and the opportunity to take out Trump will be lost.

    They’re looking for new ways to shift the goal posts:

    1. They’re backing a strategy voiced by some Dems to vote to impeach, then not send articles to the Senate to force better terms:

    “It is beginning to dawn on Democrats that the moment they send articles of impeachment for Donald Trump to the Senate, they will have lost all of their leverage. So they shouldn’t do it.”

    “Senate Democrats are quietly talking about asking Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to hold articles of impeachment in the House until Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) agrees to a fair rules package for a Senate trial.

    Democratic senators are concerned by talk among Senate Republicans of holding a speedy trial without witnesses, which would set up a shorter time frame than when the Senate considered President Clinton’s 1999

    “There’s no requirement the impeachment articles be sent here within any particular time. But certainly we don’t want delay just for the sake of delay,” the lawmaker said.

    2. Bill Krystol and Jeffrey Tullis: “Mitch McConnell may be the majority leader of the Senate, but senators are not sheep. Or at least if they are, it is only by their own choosing…If three or more Republican senators now join Democrats …They can determine what the outlines of a full and fair trial would look like. Surely this would include some number of witnesses on both sides, not all of whom need have testified in the House.”


    • Deplore Able says:

      The delay will shred Nancy’s time line. Why don’t we hold the Impeachment Articles until after the election. That will give the country a great opportunity when they elect Senators. There will be a clear choice. Vote for a pro-impeachment Senator or vote for an anti-impeachment Senator.

      Same thing for the election of members of the House of Representatives. Vote for members of the House who declare they will send the Article of Impeachment to the Senate or those who declare they will not.

      The election is just over 10 months away! Tel the people decide who should be President! That concept might not be within the comprehension of the Democrats, but we are supposed to be a democratic republic.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Tseg says:

        Sounds like they are setting up to blame McConnel why they cannot impeach right away, push to 2020 and then blame it on it being an election year for not being able to vote. Creating a faux Mexican standoff over impeachment may be the Dems best alternative.


    • mimbler says:

      I don’t see how they have any leverage. Just let the dems hold onto the articles until 2020, and then with a house majority, vote to discard them with prejudice.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Robert Smith says:

      Hold them forever. The weight will become greater and greater.


    • Dixie says:

      The oath used today has not changed since 1966 and is prescribed in Title 5, Section 3331 of the United States Code. It reads: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

      Someone please explain why the democrats in the House of Representatives feel they are exempt from the oath of office?


    • CNN_sucks says:

      Agreed. I can see the BS L.Tribe is spewing.


  35. Zippy says:

    Powerful: Loggers Carved ‘How Dare You’ Into The Forest While Cutting Down Trees For Time Magazine’s Person Of The Year Issue
    December 11th, 2019

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  36. YY4U says:

    Oh how I wish we had a real Republican Party. If we did, a real Republican Party would have informed the Democrats that if they pushed through with this political impeachment, they could expect any and every Democrat president to be treated the same way if the Republicans were ever to be in control of the House when a Democrat president is in office. But they won’t of course and they wouldn’t and the Democrats know that.

    I’m with Republicans so long as Donald Trump is in office, but once he is out of office and doesn’t need them, then I doubt I will ever vote for a Republican again unless they purge their party of the Romney’s, Collinses, Flakes, Rubios, Murkowskis, future McCains, Ryans, etc., etc., etc. Let them join the Democrats…


  37. Bigly says:

    How dare us!?!? This is so disgusting to me – how do we have a country when there are no borders, no rules, no laws…dem voter registration drive is what it really is…0

    Liked by 1 person

    • gda53 says:

      We welcome new Democrat voters……/s


    • lolli says:

      Look, a honey trap. Illegals all lined up.
      Where is ICE?
      Never mind.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Perot Conservative says:

      What happened to deportations? One promise Trump hasn’t kept?


      • willthesuevi says:

        Did your Senators and Representative support President Trump? Did the Republican party keep that very promise going back to President Reagan?

        President Trump has been blocked by multiple Judges, multiple times, on everything concerning Illegal Immigration. POTUS would order deportations and they would be blocked by the end of the day. He is not King.

        He still has my support because he continues to work within the constitutional framework of his office.

        The hundreds of other promises kept, tells me he will not quit until he is no longer in office.

        C’mon Perot, I have read and liked many of your posts. I know you know all this.


    • Dixie says:

      The trouble around here is they have a tendency to drive drunk and never have insurance. Why would I think New York would be any different? SMH.


  38. bleep21k says:

    cnn 2:45pm – currently:

    President Trump releases a letter to nancy addressing the impeachment – The “UNHINGED LETTER” to nancy from President Trump!

    UNHINGED I tell ya!

    Questioning her FAITH!, Questioning her motives! HOW DARE YOU (oops wrong person)…NOW we got him!!!! A new high level of lowness.



  39. Harry says:

    Has anyone seen this report that the president sent a scathing letter to pelosy protesting sham impeachment?


  40. Tl Howard says:

    Sundance mentioned yesterday that Barr is going to be interviewed today at 7 pm, by whom he didn’t say. Then, I saw something that said Martha McCallum of Fox would be interviewing him today. Today, I go to the Fox website and to the McCallum Show and Barr isn’t listed among her guests.

    Anyone have to ability to clarify any of this for me?


    • linda4298 says:

      It’s Wednesday.


    • gda53 says:

      Does this mean we’re NOT going to see White/Grey Hat Barr do a full 180 degree morph into Evil Black Hat Barr on Fox@7?

      Will I then NOT be looking for a razor blade to slash my wrists (tonight at least)?

      Guess I get to be naive a little longer and continue to believe that (some) justice IS coming, though maybe not for a while yet.

      “These things take time” – Bill Barr


  41. Reserved55 says:

    Should he stay or should he go ??????????


    • Dixie says:

      It’s not President Trump. It’s the democrats making this country look like a joke. We should send every last stinkin’ one of them to Russia.


  42. youme says:

    Judge denied the government’s request to revoke Parnas’ bail.


  43. linda4298 says:


  44. citizen817 says:

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  45. RobD says:

    WOW!!!! President Trump’s letter was FIRE!! He just burned Nancy and the Dems.

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    • I think that the last few paragraphs really said it all: “I know that you’re going to throw yourself off this cliff and take your Party with you, but I wanted to write down my thoughts for history so that, a hundred years from now, this won’t happen to another President.” Zing.

      Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Biden, Obama … these people are so corrupted and are so used to corruption that they really don’t comprehend the historical implications nor perspectives of what they are recklessly doing, and have been doing since before Trump took office. They only see a threat to their own criminality and they really don’t care what they do to their nation from their powerful positions. And, as Trump artfully pointed out near the end of his letter, they also won’t turn the House’s awesome investigative power against the blatant crimes which are now public record. “There’s a reason for that,” of course . . .

      They’ll throw themselves headlong over this cliff because there’s nowhere else for them to go.

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