December 15th – 2019 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1060

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810 Responses to December 15th – 2019 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1060

  1. sunnydaze says:

    Impeachment is working out perfectly for us. It’s another straw in the camels back, just like Kavanaugh was for many. NYC coul. go Red-er than it has in decades.

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  2. Troublemaker10 says:

    Rudy dropped a bunch of tweets on Ukraine. Here is the Reader App thread link:

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  3. Reserved55 says:

    Something else I learned today

    Where does Circle Game come from?

    “Playable anywhere, the Circle Game is initiated when one person makes a circle with their forefinger and thumb, resembling the OK gesture, and holds it below waist-level. If someone else makes eye contact with the circle, then the “circler” gets to punch them in the arm. Players especially enjoy the game in inappropriate situations, sometimes setting elaborate or creative traps for their target.”


    • FofBW says:

      Played it back in high school waaaaay back in the mid 60’s.


      • boogywstew says:

        Isn’t there a sexual aspect to the fingers holding something that only biological boys have? The way we played it was that by looking at the fingers you were hoping that something else was present and you were punched because it “proved” you were gay. Stupid, yes, but entertaining to an adolescent or teenage boy. A similar stunt was sticking your finger out of your fly.


    • Chimpy says:

      Played this game with a few friends in the 80s during college. A couple details to add:

      The game never ends. Whenever I see these same buddies (at reunions), we still try to get that glance at our “circles”.

      Also, if someone can stick their finger through your “circle” (all while not looking at it), they get to punch you!


    • Robert Smith says:

      Black Power salutes are ok though because it only means what black people pretend it means when speaking to white people. 😉


  4. WeThePeople2016 says:

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  5. Brant says:

    Hey, how’s this for his name? Sure as shootin’ Schifty.


  6. Paul says:

    Mountains of Evidence of the Coup are pouring out from all and different directions (OAN investigating Reporting and Rudi Giuliani).

    As a result of the Mueller Investigation Rudi Giuliani was able to Legally do his Job in protecting his Client PDJT, by doing what the FBI/DOJ refused to do for obvious (protecting their alleged criminal acts) reasons in gathering Mountains of paper/digital trails of evidence and witnesses from Ukraine, proving a conspiracy to Frame PDJT of actual criminal acts that the coup (Criminal Conspirators) was doing.

    Rudy Giuliani has a duty to Exonerate PDJT; especially since the evidence showing the conspiracy and coup is everywhere and is pouring out from all directions. Rudy did an excellent job researching documents, and testimony. Rudy knows the criminal codes that are attached to each act of the coup.

    PDJT Brilliant/Strategic 3-year plan (since Nov. 2016) exposing and creating the perfect stage for (easy) prosecutions; unbeatable hand in prosecuting (bound duty) the Largest Criminal Organization in U.S. history (Coup) which will also create an opening to eliminate many in the Deep State.

    One American News has done a 3-part special with Chanel Rion (Exclusive with Rudy Giuliani) revealing; Ukrainian Witnesses Destroy Shiff’s Case and more importantly DNC collusion with Ukraine in the 2016 Presidential campaign.

    OAN is real journalism displaying journalism is still alive. Great Investigative reporting.

    OAN Chanel Rion’s reporting, is not conjecture it is backed by first hand witnesses and paper/digital trails of evidence. This information has been received by PDJT, Barr and Durham and the additional witnesses and paper/digital trails of evidence is added to the already mountains of evidence.

    OAN Unbelievable Lutsenko Interview; Allegedly Outlines the following; Maire Yovanovitch Perjury, George Kent and Bill Taylor Impeachment Motive and Lindsey Graham Motive to bury the Investigation.

    One America News Network took the unprecedented step of flying three senior former Ukrainian officials to the US, including Andrii Telizhenko. These officials provided first-hand knowledge of the interference and collusion between the DNC and Ukraine during the 2016 Presidential campaign, along with key facts that negate the Democrat impeachment narrative. The three Ukrainians flown into Washington DC by OAN are Andrii Telizhenko, former Ukrainian diplomat, Michaelo Okhendovsky, attorney and Chairman of the Central Election Commission of Ukraine, and Andrii Artemenko, former member of Ukrainian parliament.

    Explosive; Ukrainian Embassy colluding and working with the DNC on the behalf of Ambassador Chaly and his DCM (Deputy Chief of Mission)… I was a first-hand witness of all this…” Telizhenko has agreed to cooperate with a congressional inquiry, in effect repeating testimony already provided under oath to One America News.

    IMO; Maire Yovanovitch needs to be Prosecuted;
    Explosive testimony from Yuriy Lutsenko the Prosecutor General of Ukraine from May 2016 to August 2019. Lutsenko makes the bombshell announcement that recalled former US Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch was allegedly not forthright with the American people during her public sworn testimony before the House Intel Committee regarding her request to hinder the Prosecutor General’s investigations. There is a document with signatures with stamps contradicting Maire Yovanovitch sworn testimony. Lutsenko’s testimony is more evidence of Yovanovitches alleged acts of; obstruction, perjury and many other criminal acts for her ongoing participation in Cabals’ Obama, Clinton, led efforts to overthrow PDJT.

    George Kent Impeachment alleged Motive;
    Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia. Giuliani alleged that Kent was working with George Soros, to find “dirty information” on Trump campaign officials and to pressure Ukrainian investigators to back off certain corruption cases.

    Bill Taylor;
    Bill Taylor was formerly U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine (’06-’09) and later allegedly helped the Obama administration to design the laundry operation providing taxpayer financing to Ukraine in exchange for back-channel payments to U.S. politicians and their families.

    Allegedly; Senators from both parties participated in the influence process and part of those influence priorities was exploiting the financial opportunities within Ukraine while simultaneously protecting Joe Biden and his family. This is allegedly where Senator John McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham were working with Marie Yovanovitch.

    Lindsey Graham and Bill Taylor alleged obstruction of Justice;
    Senator Lindsey Graham; In November Rudy Giuliani released a letter he sent to Senator Lindsey Graham outlining how Bill Taylor blocked VISA’s for Ukrainian ‘whistle-blowers’ (allegedly Obstruction of Justice) who are willing to testify to the corrupt financial scheme. Allegedly; Senator Lindsey Graham, along with dozens of U.S. Senators currently serving, may very well have been recipients for money through the aforementioned laundry process. There has been resistance for the whistle-blowers” VISA’s approval for congressional testimony, or Senate impeachment trial witness testimony.

    Giuliani’s witnesses are willing to testify in his parallel proceedings—or possibly the impeachment trial in the Senate or contribute to PDJT 3-years plan to indict/prosecute everyone involved in this coup.

    IMO; PDJT 3-year plan of prosecuting all involved in the coup; will also follow the evidence no matter (how high up) where it leads, who is involved, no matter how wide.

    I haven’t trusted Lindsey Graham for a LONG time especially after several efforts to open up the borders. Lindsey will play the game by saying good things once in a while which PDJT sees right through; PDJT is keeping his enemies close (Just like Rosenstein).

    PDJT will someday have all involved in the coup (all criminals) meet with Justice (criminal codes) who planned the elimination of the Rule of Law to destroy/eliminate the Constitution and prearranged the United States to eventually be changed into a 3rd world country, conspiring with the Globalist for more power and trillions of dollars.

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    • Kathy says:

      Coup library of evidence for their defense is either fake and mostly empty.

      President Trump’s library is stacked with mountains of factual paper and digital trails of evidence for criminal prosecutions and the floodgates are opening in all directly.

      Voluminous easy prosecutions (Justice) that will easily save the Constitution and this Republic.

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    • Interesting commentary Paul…………..very interesting. Hopeful, but not yet fully substantiated?


    • Robert Smith says:

      Thanks for the summary. There’s a lot of moving pieces and this will help me have some sort of order as I move forward.


  7. moe2004 says:

    I’ve been away for the weekend visiting with my siblings, looks like all hell is breaking lose, good!


  8. Hey Folks! Been in Las Vegas for the past week REALLY busy with work and no time to catch up. Looks like the wheels are kind of falling off for the Dems, huh? Yet they keep on pushing through as usual. They will deny deny deny all on the way till death, huh? Sick.


  9. Reserved55 says:

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  12. Reserved55 says:

    What a Chunk


  13. Reserved55 says:


  14. nice story!
    Well i’m in Albuquerque New Mexico for work. last night hubby and I went to a restaurant called Cervantes lounge and restaurant, beautifully decorated for Christmas. Another couple came and sat in front of us and the lady was wearing a sweat shirt saying “TRUMP 2020. FINALLY A MAN WITH BALLS!”” We both told her we loved her shirt and had a beautiful conversation with the couple! They are as mad as all of us towards schiff and nadler and pellosi! They both have no doubt about President being re elected but they want the republicans to take the majority! We can only pray!

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  15. sunnyflower5 says:

    🤣😂 True.

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  16. Ausonius says:

    Ideas for President Trump’s second term.

    Lead a movement for the Repeal of the 17th Amendment and the Income Tax.

    Yes, I know: keep dreaming! But the electorate might just be in the mood to consider this in our years of never-ending crises.

    Do not expect such things- obviously! – to emanate from the pollytishuns themselves! 😉 But perhaps President Trump in his second-term could lead the charge for such things.

    Who knows? During a crisis new thinking is needed: the income tax is old thinking, from over 100 years ago, along with direct election of senators. Perhaps it is time to persuade the electorate that these old ideas have been proven deleterious to the Republic.

    What say ye to breaking the corruption cycle with Congressional term-limits? Is that something to consider? The president is limited to 8 years. Why should some sort of limit not apply to Congress? The usual objection is: “What if my Congressman is wonderful?”

    Or just vote them out! No amendment needed! That, however, has proven to be more difficult than it seems. Incumbency breeds more incumbency which breeds corruption.

    The debate needs to start, along with another debate on not letting Congress transfer decision-making to the bureaucrats. This latter problem – given what we have seen with a coup d’etat run by unelected bureaucrats – may be most deleterious of all.


  17. FofBW says:

    Good points!

    I feel bad that I had to look up that word.

    Definition of deleterious

    : harmful often in a subtle or unexpected way

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  18. sunnyflower5 says:

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    • steph_gray says:

      I called my freshman Dim rep in blue MA on Friday. She was elected in a district that isn’t quite as rabidly blue as the rest of the state. I told the aide that if the rep would gather the courage to stand up against this illegal attempt at impeachment, she could make her name.

      Always good to appeal to their vanity… Hope it at least got them thinking.

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  20. Reserved55 says:

    Good lord

    Liked by 1 person

    • Robert Smith says:

      They are inside the wire.

      Since the agreement is “secret”, which is what they wanted, they can try to make some political hay from it. Too bad for the Wall Street Journal.


  21. Irisheyes says:

    This is a small thing, but we conservatives need to start making their voices heard!

    Watching the HGTV special on this year’s White House Christmas decorations (which they neglected to promote – hmm, wonder why). They opened the show with a narrator saying something along the lines of “the White House has a tradition of decorating for Christmas” and the picture they showed was of HILLARY!

    Obviously some childish and petty producers thinking they’re “all that” for shoving her down our throats.

    I went to and sent them my comments on this, which had to be put in the “ask a question” box. So folks, let’s let HGTV know LOUD and clear that they aren’t getting away with anything. Silence is capitulation.


    • Robert Smith says:

      In times of great stress, we all go to our place of comfort.

      For Democrats, it’s stoking racial divisions on imagined offenses. O’bama and the post-O’bama Democrats have poisoned race relations for political advantage, as they see it.


  22. Reserved55 says:

    Good idea Gov, you just called to ban all Democrats from social media.

    You have my endorsement.


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  24. Zippy says:

    If you don’t listen to the whole thing, listen from 4:10.

    Sidney Powell: IG Report Must Lead to ‘Consequences’


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  27. Maria says:

    This coming Tuesday at 11 am the full House of Reps will vote on whether or not to impeach Donald Trump.

    Let’s all pray at that hour. May God protect our President and our Constitution.

    Liked by 1 person

    • steph_gray says:

      And also let’s all call our reps on either side, for good or ill, on Monday and Tuesday, as many times as possible. I called mine Friday but could easily have another chat with her little aides…

      Burn up those phones… Politely but incisively!

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  29. Zippy says:

    Giuliani Invited To Spill Beans On The Bidens In Senate Testimony


    Rudy Giuliani has been invited to share his Ukraine findings with the Senate Judiciary Committee – AFTER President Trump’s impeachment trial, according to the panel’s chairman, Lindsey Graham (R-SC).

    In other words, potentially devastating evidence against the Bidens which is integral to the genesis of the entire impeachment effort won’t be aired until after Graham’s ‘witness-less’ trial, in order for the impeachment to “die quickly,” as Graham put it last week.

    Appearing on CBS’s “Face the Nation” Sunday, Graham said that Giuliani could appear before the senate panel ‘separately’ of the impeachment trial.

    “Well, I don’t know what he found, but if he wants to come the Judiciary Committee — Rudy, if you want to come and tell us what you found, I’ll be glad to talk to you. When it comes to impeachment, I want to base my decision on the record assembled in the House,” said Graham.

    It’s clear Graham is giving as much cover to Biden as possible.


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  31. jeans2nd says:

    ICYMI –
    Rep Devin Nunes, unleashed –

    And then there’s this – Byron York took Rep Nunes cue and has unleashed on his twitter id10ts –


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  35. Everett Miller says:

    Gretchen Carlson (ex-Fox News employee) wants to have her cake and eat it too. Today she published NYT article asking for her to keep her millions of settlement dollars and to ALSO be released from the non-disclosure-agreement she agreed to in order to walk with a small fortune without ever having to prove any allegations she made or may have made. Incredible. Here is how the New Laws should address sexual allegations:
    1. allegations of sexual assault must be made within 12 hours of the alleged assault.
    2. allegations must be made privately to Law Enforcement, include evidence, requesting investigation.
    3. Public allegations absent compliance with Rules #1, #2 must, by statute be deemed “slander” and trigger immediate civil charges as well as criminal charges per #6.
    4. As a result of allegations made (#1), Law Enforcement must file charges in the case.
    5. If evidence supports the allegation, Charges must be filed against the alleged perpetrator
    6. If evidence does not support the allegation, identical Charges must be filed against the accuser.


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  37. RJ says:


    • Reserved55 says:

      The NBC Communist deemed it “complicated”.

      It’s straight forward. The Communists are using Stalinist tactics to overthrow the Government.

      What a tool.


  38. RJ says:

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  39. Perot Conservative says:

    El Salvador and illegal immigration on 60 Minutes. Young president.

    5 plane loads a week deporting El Salvadorian’s from the US to ES.

    Gang violence.


  40. WeThePeople2016 says:

    See ya.


  41. WeThePeople2016 says:

    We will take it!

    Liked by 1 person

  42. sunnyflower5 says:

    Judge Nap came back from his re-education camp, a different person.
    What could make a man change so drastically?


    • joeknuckles says:

      Did they threaten him or brainwash him to always disparage Trump no matter what the context? He’s so deranged, I can’t rule out the latter.


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