Horowitz Testimony: “The Only FISA We Found That Existed Was The One For Carter Page”…

Amid the investigative and research questions over the past several years, there was always a question about who, within the Trump orbit, may have been subject to FISA court authorized surveillance during their activity in 2016.

Because they were initially the four targets of the FBI investigation, there was speculation Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos and/or Lt. General Michael Flynn were also subjects of Title-1 FISA Court authorized surveillance, in addition to Carter Page.

Today during his testimony, Inspector General Michael Horowitz specifically noted there was no other FISA application against any other campaign official. [See 05:23 of testimony to questions by Senator Chris Coons – prompted just hit play]:

“The only FISA we found existed was the one we have written about here as to Carter Page”…

That means all other FBI investigative evidence documented against Manafort, Papadopoulos, or Flynn had to come from some other method of surveillance.

This begs a significant question….

Carter Page was not associated with the campaign or transition after the election, so under what authority did the DOJ allow the Mueller team to gain access to all of the Trump transition emails, texts, electronic and phone communications? 

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….Maybe a good question for Rod Rosenstein?

Then again, perhaps this speaks to why the DOJ is hiding the scope memos…

I digress.

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320 Responses to Horowitz Testimony: “The Only FISA We Found That Existed Was The One For Carter Page”…

  1. progpoker says:

    Curiouser and curiouser…

    Liked by 11 people

    • J.Thomas says:

      Remember…Devin Nunes kept saying “There was no 5 Eyes intelligence product in the FISA”….

      The pre-FISA spy intelligence that was not gathered in the NSA about queries came through UNOFFICIAL CHANNELS.

      This is a CIA black operation, people. The TRUMP TASK FORCE.

      When do we get to find out the names and players in this operation? What did they call it? Was it Brennan or Clapper at the top? Both?

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      • fhb says:

        And Why? what information was looked for, at, used….? all those umaskings?
        who handpicked who? why? ie- mccabe [ wants to move up—PLUS his wife selected by Va Gov-pals to the clintons to run for office….SPIDERS WEB of all this ! BTW senator graham we ALL know what MYE is Mid Year Exam:hrc illegal server for emails investigation title. He is running cover for them since john funereal. Again who neededinformation on the Trumps , what were the intentions what did they do with what they got?

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      • Green Bucket says:

        Don’t forget Hillary and Obama, especially Obama. None of this spy stuff could go down without his express permission/ support.

        Hopefully they will have to answer for it soon!

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      • Linda K. says:

        Page is CIA and this was a counter intelligence operation, hence Susan Rice’s last “Obama said do everything by the book” email as she walked out the door. The President, Obama, started a counter intelligence operation and they don’t need warrants to spy for that. Maybe they were sloppy with the FISA because they did not really need it, Page was a willing subject. They used the FISA to cover their tracks and they are still covering, with Mr. Horowitz insistance, that the beginninng of this investigation was legitimate, to cover O’s sorry a–.

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        • Ackman419 says:

          Exactly.
          Obammy started it by giving the ok to Brennan, who ran with it and used the FBI and courts.
          “Call him”

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        • Despicable Me says:

          I have many times considered that Page was a willing FISA subject. If I recall correctly (and it is quite possible I’m not), Page recently said during interview that he was upset that he didn’t have any input in how how was portrayed in the FISA application. How many subjects of FISAs do you think are able to craft the way they are presented in a legal process unless of course they are a willing subject.

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    • The Devilbat says:

      I wonder why curious cat is missing in this post?

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Suppose we can now check off the list….

      A FISA 1 as where the Flynn/Kislyak phone transcript came from.

      Leaving either
      1) Kislyak wiretap
      2) SPYING….I’m sorry….illegal survellance on FLYNN

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  2. mallardcove says:

    Oh man, that picture of Durham there at the end is going to have people talking about “The Durham Report”. There is no Durham Report – he can either prosecute, or not

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    • cboldt says:

      Durham can issue a report to AG Barr for sure, and Barr can make some of that public. The prohibition on publicizing existence of investigation and similar has a “public interest” override component.
      Plus, all of that “norm” is policy. There is no statutory bar whatsoever. There are enough facts out in the wild to justify a public airing of what Durham found, even if there is no indictment. We know Durham is investigating, and normally even THAT is supposed to be kept secret, in order to protect the reputations of the innocent.

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    • California Joe says:

      Exactly! Durham does a Pros-memo to Barr and that’s all. We won’t see any of that!

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    • Barr said he may issue a report. We are in uncharted waters.

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      • California Joe says:

        You will see indictments and a press release not a public report. Barr and Durham are not going to hand the Lawfare defense attorneys a blueprint of their case.

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        • Lawfare’s defensive strategy fits hand & glove with their offensive plan. Note that Judiciary Committee Demonic Rats weren’t the least bit defensive during the Horowitz hearing today. They’ve already launched their Winter Offensive, attacking AG Barr & the so-far tight-lipped US Attorney John Durham. They’re framing them as Pres Trump lapdogs & seeking to exploit the sliver of daylight between them & DOJ IG Horowitz.

          Just as AG Barr knew they would do. For the Depravity Party, EVERYTHING IS POLITICS, and in their monomaniacal world of alternate reality, they simply ignore anything else that doesn’t fit. Horowitz throws Demonic Rats a bone with the “no bias” nonsense, and they run with it.

          He acknowledges that it will be up to DOJ prosecutors to decide what to do with his damning all-but-indictment of the Crossfire Hurricane conspirators, and those principals and their Depravity Party enablers act and speak as though they (whew!) got away with something. And they believe that, if they keep acting and speaking as though they are “innocent,” the American people will buy it and wonder what’s for dessert.

          They didn’t believe Hillary Clinton would lose, so they persuade themselves she actually won and the guy in the White House is “an imposter.” They didn’t believe they would be found out, so they persuade themselves their actions were SOP, heroic, and certainly not criminal. AG Barr (that Trumpian stooge!) and US Attorney Durham are the guilty parties, continuing to pursue a criminal investigation, traveling to foreign nations to conduct depositions and gathering physical evidence. If they know what’s good for them, they shouldn’t DARE to indict anyone Horowitz has exonerated.

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      • Jim in TN says:

        Barr also said he would ask Durham.

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    • Justin Folkwein says:

      Oh, I think he’s going to prosecute. I think Durham and Barr both have alluded as such.

      It’s just who will be prosecuted? How high up are they willing be to go? And do they have the cajones to go after the Senators (Warner/Burr/McCain/Feinstein) if enough evidence can be put together to show they were part of the set up.

      My guess it will be low level nobodies.

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      • The Boss says:

        There was a little exchange today between DaNang Dickhead Blumenthal and IG Horowitz over the characterization of the FISA information obtained by the FBI. DDB was trying to get Horowitz to state that the information was useful, so the FISA renewals were justified.

        Horowitz would not agree with DDB, and said he wouldn’t testify “in this setting” about the nature of the information developed. We know from Barr’s media rounds that the information was exculpatory, so there should have been no more FISAs based on Barr’s comments.

        So…Horowitz won’t characterize the information in an open hearing, which means he can’t reveal classified information…or is it grand jury information? I suspect Horowitz was briefed at some level about the criminal investigation, or he may have referred some people off the record.

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  3. Bob, Esq. says:

    There’s your disinformation campaign; all those stories about FISA Warrants that don’t exist probably originate with Simpson and Fusion GPS.

    Liked by 7 people

  4. cboldt says:

    What was the predicate for appointing Mueller in the first place?

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  5. NICCO says:

    And the corrupt hyenas continue to be exposed at every turn.I believe that the hand of the Almighty has been in play all along and despite what we sometimes think,there will be justice.Just saw harvey weinstein on a video he don t look real good..If you look at some of these people they physically don t look well.Justice comes one way or the other..Sometimes just not fast enough for us.

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  6. California Joe says:

    Typically a grand jury subpoena will get logs of phone calls, texts and emails as well as IP addresses but not the contents. For that Mueller would have to obtain a search warrant from a federal judge which is relatively easy given the amount of leeway he rec’d. However, since these were government computers Mueller might have been able to just ask GSA. Horowitz didn’t look into anything related to Mueller!

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    • cboldt says:

      Criminal investigations require warrants to satisfy 4th amendment. Absent a warrant or substitutute (exigent circumstance, in plain sight) the evidence would be suppressed at trial.
      None of this “check and balance” is at play for counterinelligence. The constitutional, 4th amendment rule for counterintelligence is no warrant required, period. Spys don’t get warrants.
      FISA puts in a sham system that “requires” warrants even though a warrant is not required, according to controlling SCOTUS precedent (the Keith case). The narrative used to sell the sham is that FISA would protect privacy, and if a snoop happened to find a crime, then good thing we have a court warrant.
      Mueller had subpoena power. He used it. It comes with the appointment. Nobody getting such a subpoena challeneged it, and such subpenas were challenged in some cases, the courts finding the subpoenas were suffient and no evidence was going to be suppressed.

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  7. freepetta says:

    Only one FISA well isn’t that interesting? Where the FK are the rest?

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    • pucecatt says:

      Good question .. this is all soo corrupt .. and why was mueller appointed again ? I do recall Carter Page saying he kept in touch with Trump officials after the election ? Can anybody verify that ?

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    • bertdilbert says:

      Well, If Carter Page had a FISA and he contacted the campaign via e mail then, the two steps out rule, you have everybody. One e mail infects the entire campaign.

      Liked by 9 people

      • freepetta says:

        That’s absolutely correct

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        • TarsTarkas says:

          And he continued to keep in touch with Trump personnel after the election. The only conceivable reason IMO would be to keep ‘legal’ surveillance going.

          He’s dirty. He always was a spy. If he was a real victim he’d be suing for millions. He’s suing to get his good name back, asking for $0.

          DELENDA EST BIDEN!

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    • Reserved55 says:

      Remember Strzok’s good buddy Judge Rudy Contreras?

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    • PS says:

      Hypothesis 1). The FISA was a retroactive cover for unlawful spying against Republican campaigns throughout 2015 and 2016. The 2016 team did the bare minimum to cover their tracks with espionage laws, thinking that Deep State agents in DOJ would continue to cover for them in 2017 and beyond. They didn’t bother to file multiple FISAs because they thought the Steele docs could tie all Trump’s foreign advisors to Russia.

      Hypothesis 2). The Deep State agents in 2018 and 2019 were able to misdirect Horowitz to only cover one FISA. We will later find that Horowitz’s “scope memo” was purposefully narrowly defined in a way that limited the IG and his team. There are actually multiple FISAs but their confidential status allows them to remain hidden.

      Hypothesis 3). Rosenstein and Horowitz are in fact Deep State agents, intentionally hiding constitutional crimes through extra-legal interpretation of “intent”. All 2017 players knew that there was illegal spying in 2016, and needed to remove Trump else their roles would be exposed. This implies almost all of Trump’s staff that were recommended to him were in fact Deep State actors, Wray, Rosenstein, Mueller, Rosenstein, Horowitz.

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      • cboldt says:

        By the time they got the wraant, Trump was the nominee. No need to cover tracks for the warrantless snooping on others, they were knocked out of the race.
        The warrant on Carter Page was insurance agianst being criminally charged for felony snooping without a warrant, in case Trump won. Bouns power of the warrant, it can be used to accuse Trump of being a stooge of Putin, and that hoax can be driven mighty far, as we witnessed.
        The tools of government, like guns, are agnnostic about the target. The tool can be used for good, or it can used for bad.
        The law, in the hands of politicians, judges, and others, has been used to deny the people the effect and power that free elections are intented to provide.

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      • beach lover says:

        Im a mixture of 2 and 3

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      • freepetta says:

        Excellent hypotheses!! I guarantee and would bet the farm that these election shenanigans have been repeatedly utilized by Hussein and his minions for years. Couple it with Clinton corruption and you have a recipe for cheating, deception and dirty illegal unconstitutional tactics.

        Monty I pick door number 3, but I would say it’s all the above hypothetical situations.

        Great post my friend!!

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  8. surakvulcan says:

    More questions than answers…

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  9. Peoria Jones says:

    I can only hope that many people will be seeing that vision of Durham in the peephole. And in the backs of their homes, I want amphibious assault vehicles. I don’t even care if they live on the water. And OAN better be invited to get these scum on video in their pajamas and bare feet.

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    • I was wondering that if they failed on FISA or renewals they would have just found some other way to work around the problem and keep on spying – remember that old Deep State saying “ Find me someone you want to spy on and I will find you a way to do it “

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  10. XO says:

    Two thoughts. First, there are a number of people who should be in prison right now.

    Second, FISA needs to end. This is too tempting and easy to abuse.

    Actually, a third. This goes all the way to Obama.

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    • wightmanfarm says:

      The Senate is going to “fix” FISA. No worries.

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      • stringplayer55 says:

        Why did a sudden shiver go up my spine?

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      • stringplayer55 says:

        So, what will be the impact of the FISA abuse report (and Horowitz’s testimony today) on the case of General Mike Flynn? Choices, as I see them, are:

        1) Judge Sullivan finds the government actions so corrupt that he vacates (with prejudice) Flynn’s guilty plea
        2) Judge Sullivan finds the government actions corrupt and believes that they deserve an airing in court with additional discovery granted to Flynn’s attorney
        3) Judge Sullivan buys into the idea that the government did not intend to violate anyone’s civil rights, that they had a legitimate premise for their inquiry, declares that the government has met their obligations for discovery, and Flynn pushes along the sentencing phase of Flynn’s trial

        Horowitz gave Sullivan the out for #3. Will he run with it or will he begin the process of actually holding the FBI (and Justice Department) accountable?

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    • Peoria Jones says:

      Fourth: Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself.

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    • ristvan says:

      Two responses.
      1. Many will be, soonish. Barr and Durham are on it. Barr left no doubt yesterday.
      2. It probably will be (or substantially altered) next March.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      I know people will say wake me up when there are arrests. A number of months more and we’ll see. Remember, Durham didn’t have to say anything. Barr didn’t have to say anything. People are saying that Durham and Barr are just placating the masses. I disagree. They could have done nothing with the Horowitz report and we’d just have to live with it.

      I think Durham statements and Barr interviews made it clear that they are putting cases together now. It was as positive a statements as I would think Barr would be able to make without being labelled biased or a Trump cheerleader.

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      • G. Alistar says:

        May be a shot across the bow….warning that says he who flips first, flips best???

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      • Sentient says:

        It all highlights how important it is that the president be re-elected and how hard these evil forces will work so that he’s not. If, God forbid, he weren’t re-elected, anything that Durham discovers wouldn’t be prosecuted.

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        • Ackman419 says:

          Anybody who has half a brain and even somewhat interested can tell what happened, and will vote for President Trump. 2020 will be a landslide, but WE already knew that.

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      • dwpender says:

        I agree that the fact the Durham made a statement at all (as well as its contents) was EXTREMELY encouraging. And Barr’s statements on substance (in his own release and in interviews) were GREAT.

        Unfortunately, Barr made two gratuitous statements during yesterday’s interviews that were thoroughly dispiriting. First, he said Durham’s investigation won’t come to a head until “late Spring/early Summer!” (Anybody want to take the over/under on this timeline holding? Anybody want to bet on the likelihood of real indictments of prominent figures at the height of the 2020 campaign season?)

        Second, Barr — in the context of discussing CH predication and FISA abuse — decried the tendency of “both sides” to want to criminalize everything.

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    • Mark Smith says:

      On Bongino tonight episode 1132, Dan took an excerpt from the IG report which stated that both George Papadopoulos, who previously worked for the Ben Carson campaign, and Carter Page had been spied on by U. S. security services BEFORE joining the Trump campaign. This implies that the Obama administration was actively surveilling more than one Republican Presidential campaign, using its security departments to spy on its real enemies, its political opponents.

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  11. TruthSeeker55 says:

    That last image…..
    ….. is what the HildeBeast sees in her worst nightmares.

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  12. alliwantissometruth says:

    We don’t need no stinking FISA’s

    (I guess you don’t when you’re in total control of the government)

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  13. TwoLaine says:

    Horowitz only investigated starting with the opening of Crossfire Hurricane. Nothing prior. I think everything else started prior to CH, and CH was the coverup to all the other prior bad conduct. This is a huge flaw to the whole investigation.

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    • ristvan says:

      True, but NOT something Horowitz could fix. Durham can and will.

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      • TwoLaine says:

        One can hope. 😉

        But it is still a MAJOR PROBLEM. It is an investigation that is not an investigation because the premise is totally corrupt, as corrupt as all the people involved.

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      • dallasdan says:

        “Durham can and will.”

        I trust you to be correct. However, “fix” can be very broadly and benignly defined, and that is my expectation.

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      • Carrie says:

        I think the big problem about ripping this bandaid off is that it needs to start at the very top- that Russia did not hack the DNC. That was the genesis for everything- the 17 agenices, the fake everything that followed, Papa D, Carter Page, Flynn, Manafort investigations. But I don’t see anyone in a rush to question Assange.

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        • ann says:

          “RIP the bandaid off starting at the top: the Russia confabulated hack.

          Amen Carrie.

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        • twingirls (@twingirls49) says:

          Carrie- what if it was the Anwan brothers that hacked the DNC to blackmail Hillary? They already had the passwords for democrat congressional members.

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          • Carrie says:

            It’s a complete possibility! Could be anyone including Seth Rich, who also had motive. But the answer lies in asking Assange, because he published it on Wikileaks and he knows where he got it from. The download speed seemed to indicate it was an inside job with a pen drive, as far as I recall.

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    • dwpender says:

      CH opened circa July 31, 2016. Strozk traveled to London on Aug 1-2 to interview (names redacted) (presumably Downer, Thompson, perhaps others).

      On return to the US, Strozk exchanges a number of anxious texts with Page about scheduling a CH meeting with “the Agency” (presumably CIA), which occurs on August 5.

      After attending the meeting, Strozk tells Page somebody at the Agency (name redacted) said: “This is being run out of the White House.”

      Strozk and Page disagreed with this. Perhaps they understood far less than the Agency speaker about the background that lead to the opening of CH. Perhaps Horowitz also failed to discover the full background because he was limited to viewing the actions of DOJ/FBI.

      Durham can and likely has discovered far more. Does anybody REALLY believe the first US person and/or agency Downer called when re “recalled” his or Thompson’s earlier conversation was the NY FBI? Think the Australian Ambassador went first to the Kerry/Cinton State Dept? The Clinton campaign or Foundation? The Obama WH?
      Think somebody funneled Downer to the FBI so this could all appear to be done “by the book”?

      Food for thought.

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  14. Dutchman says:

    The IG also specifically said he did NOT ‘review’ or investigate the Mueller investigation.

    But of coarse, if the Fisa warrants were badeless, the Mueller investigation was even MORE baseless.

    Beyond that, they used the Special Council to meld a counter-intel investigation, and the info it uncovered, with criminal investigations which led to prosecutions.

    This goes WAY beyond “fruit of the forbidden tree”, the whole damn ORCHARD is rotten.

    The LE/prosecutors can NOT get a Fisa,warrant, with “2 hop rule” against a suspected serial child molester, or a drug kingpin, or a MURDERER.

    ONLY agaist suspected terrorists, or spies. And yet they used that kind of intrusive spieing against Manafort, Cohen, Flynn, Stone, Papad, and others, including DJT and family.

    Under what authority, and with what predicate?

    NONE.

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    • snellvillebob says:

      It all started with one rotten apple in the 1990’s. Her name is Hilary.

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    • cboldt says:

      What Rosenstein did was a lawfare trick. Unprecedented to appoint SC to conduct counterintelligence.
      Totally against policy, but AG Sessions was recused, so chain of command was Trump, who faced political anniahlation if he fired Rosenstein.
      NOTHING is done by the book anymore. Throw out the book. It’s all done on raw power and absence of checks. This is government out of control, and the peole are none the wiser. It looks “normal,” all according to rules, etc.

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      • Mac says:

        Mueller was NOT appointed to investigate the Russia Collusion. There was no criminal act there, it was a counter intelligence operation, which the SC is not authorized to investigate, under the law. The conspirators needed a potential crime for Mueller to investigate and that was obstruction of justice based upon the Comey firing. They used the Russian Collusion “investigation” story as camouflage and to expand the investigation beyond what the law authorized Mueller to legally investigate.

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        • cboldt says:

          The appointment, on its face, charged Mueller with picking up the investigation Comey mentioned in a March 20, 2017 appearance before Congress.

          I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.

          Still unanswered, not even asked, who in DOJ authorized THIS disclosure?
          The Mueller appointment lacks the predicate required by DOJ regulation at 28 CFR 600.1 This was pointed out nearly immediately, but nobody in Congress, nobody, expressed any concern or question.
          Congress is as much to blame for this catastrophe, more to blame in my book because it has the power of oversight, than even the press or the direct perps in the CIA, FBI, etc. Congress DROVE the hoax, and drove it hard.
          At any rate, not only is the predicate of 28 CFR 600.1 missing, so is any articulable suspicion for foreign interference in the Trump campaign.
          Mueller wasn’t appointed to investigate Russia, that is a job for FBI/CIA writ large. Mueller was appointed to get Trump and nothing else.
          But our Congress is so damned dishonest it can’t even tell that simple truth. To hell with the lot of them.

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        • Redzone says:

          Problem is Mac, as you know, PT has the absolute authority to fire Comey at any time. Comey served as the pleasure of the President. Therefore, not possible to obstruct justice by firing Comey. Notably, Mueller found no issue with it either.

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      • beach lover says:

        It’s like The Truman Show… and pretty soon we are going to fun into the fake sea end wall.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Actually, its not so much a book, as a DOCUMENT. Called the CONSTITUTION, and yes it is being actively ignored by those craving power over us.

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    • ann says:

      2 hop thingys are not used for criminal investigations?
      Then what value are they?

      Also, just want to make sure: is what the DoJ get phone numbers, email addresses times & dates, credit card, bank records , OMG,
      Or is it virtually everything in your life: recordings of conversations, copies of content, computer sites, posts, etc etc etc. ?

      The government & Congress have treated President Trump and us like PREY. I’m so outraged by the open unapologetic consequence free blatant dirty conduct standard I want to bash the windows of my nearest FBI office

      Before I just thought about handing out leaflets & balloons that said PRIVACY, FAIR & EQUAL, etc.

      I think I’d better go calm down. ,

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      • Dutchman says:

        No, they can not get a criminal warrant, to tap YOUR phone, and then from THAT warrant, tap the phone of everyone you talk to, OR HAVE TALKED TO IN THE PAST i.e. before the,warrant was issued, and (again) then tap the phones of everyone THEY talked to.

        And yes, with the NSA database, they can access the recordings of every phone conversation you, the people you have talked to, and the people THEY have talked to, and also applies to emails or texts.

        They don’t actually listen, first they do a search for keywords, like a “google” search.

        No, they can’t do that for child pornographers, or serial molesters, who might well be part of a ‘ring’.

        In a criminal warrant, they can tap YOUR phone, IF they can show probable cause. If they hear you talking to someone, and think they should tap them, as,well they have to go back to court, show probable cause, and get a seperate warrant, to tap THAT,person.

        And, they don’t have access to the PAST: like the NSA database gives them. The movie “Enemy of the,State” is real. Snowden tried to warn us, and look what they did to him.
        Assange tried to warn us, and look what they did, to him.

        Yes, calm cold anger is whats neccesary.

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        • ann says:

          We heard all right & if up to my parents, not CONgress, chose NO!
          My father said, too much power, will be permanent, in time will be rule over us, not by us. And let’s just say he would know

          ,
          I’m not street smart, but
          to me, our big bogey isn’t a Middle East, etc it’s us ;
          Ex Vegas.
          I Asked my husband:
          Vegas is blanketed in surveillance
          logistics & details of big gun Transfer
          Too many improbable lapses
          FBI investigation report is meagre & unsatisfactory
          Then they drop, not follow through

          I’d rather protect myself, than such creeps as Strouck do counterintell

          Its rotten IMO
          Wrote & Told my CONgress
          Specifics re FISC compliance reviews
          Clueless & unresponsive.
          Never imagined I’d be angry so long to this degree
          not natural for me.
          Think a lot about what to do
          Thank you Dutch.
          For clarifying. ♥️
          These spy writs, no proof req. I bet used on every one , esp those who cross them,
          like Stone
          Its gone rogue IM humble O. ✝️🇺🇸🌲
          Merry Christmas.friend.

          .

          .

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          • Dutchman says:

            Many think the IC has Congress controlled, but I think its the other way around.
            Congress confirms the appointed leaders, like Wray, etc.
            Congress sets the budgets, for all executive departments.

            We tend to do what thecpeople that sign our paychecks tell us to do.
            Congress, thru its ‘oversite’ hearings, has the ability to investigate, cover up, or investigate to exhonerate wrongdoing.

            And Congress passed this odious Patriot act. Sure, a POTUS signed it; a POTUS surrounded by advisors approved/confirmed by?,….CONgress.

            Yeah, Vegas stunk.
            Cold anger, Ann. As in any warfare, we have to keep our emotions in check, and not allow them to dictate our actions.
            Cause allowing our emotions to control us, will get us killed.

            Focus on our GOAL, and keep our,focus on the goal.
            Look to PDJT for guidance, and God.
            We WILL prevail, so let us be ‘happy warriors’ like our POTUS.
            Was wearing my MAGA hat, yesterday at a Subway. Customer next to me leaned over and whispered “Love your hat!”
            I told her “Say it loud, say it proud!” Why is it when I see fellow,Trump supporters, they are always friendly and cheerful, his detractors are all sulky and ,..bitter. I thought WE were supposed to be the,”Bitter clingers”?
            So, smile! We are,WINNING, and the Schedenfrude is deliscious!

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            • ann says:

              Lucky!
              want to wear a MAGA hat too! WO getting my bones crunched Ha! Shame to ruin my Expensive hardware. Maybe By 2021

              I will smile & focus on the winning, like you advise.
              Dutch, Your grounding , I’m so grateful.
              2019 is Best Christmas ever, we have come far,
              As you know, my grasp of ‘economic’ big picture is shakey at best, tend to overfocus on domestic, DoJ resist.
              You balance that w your posts.
              Best to you & yours. Ann ✝️⚖️🌲

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              • Dutchman says:

                Wearing MAGA hat is WONDERFUL. You get to throw political correctness out the window!
                Without, I am politely wishing people “Happy Holidays”. Put on my MAGA hat, and I am loudly wishing everyone a “MERRY CHRISTMAS!”, without fear or favor.

                Of coarse, I DO live in deep red country, and CC whenever I step out my door.
                If I were living in a big city, I am not sure I would be so bold.

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                • ann says:

                  Yes, and freedom will spread as transparency replaces denial.

                  The hat, public dialogue, son & husband said no. Put my kit : had flag & my sons outgrown old hard hat & heavy pants, squirt bottle to flush bad stuff rioters throw at you all good to go to events, not mobs, but civil dialogue forums. Wallis. Etc .
                  They shut that down; put my kit up in the attic where I can’t reach it,
                  But like you say smile warrior🙋🏼‍♀️, the Big Picture. Between surgeries, I do modest small actions,

                  But some one will tell me when I’m needed on the street, right? Or Ill know? Not shirk my duty! 🤺u r Good friend, Dutch. ✝️🇺🇸🏇🏾 .

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                • Dutchman says:

                  I have posted before, about the Velvet revolution in the Baltics, that presaged the collapse of the,Soviet Union.
                  While there were some earlier events that may have had a degree of organising, the final event wasn’t organised, at all.
                  The Soviet puppet government forbade singing or playing of pre-soviet patriotic songs.
                  A radio station crew barricaded themselves inside, and began playing the forbidden songs, and continued playing, as troops stormed the,station, killing the crew.

                  Spontaneously, with no coordination, the people stopped whatever they were doing, walked out into the streets, joined arms,and began walking towards the capitols, singing.
                  Virtually the WHOLE population of 3 Baltic countries, in open PEACEFUL rebellion.
                  Facing the prospect of killing every citisen, or capitualating, the,Soviet backed down, and withdrew.

                  So, I guess my point is YES, should it come to that, you’ll know. In the mean time, we keep our powder dry, yes?
                  And know that our movement is getting STRONGER every day.

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                • ann says:

                  Okay Dutch. Great imagery, therapeutic my healing will accelerate too, Velvet Revolution.

                  I’ll work on envisioning that, rather than dwelling on grim showdown hundred times worse & longer than Battle of Seattle.
                  🆓🔔🎻
                  Another very wise Treeper told me pretty much the same thing.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  Yes, focus on the winning! Boris Johnson won an unprecedented victory, the equivalent of PDJT winning 49 States, including Cal and N.Y.!
                  And you can supplement mental images of the Velvet revolution with google. They have arial pictures of millions of people, marching down the streets, its incredible.
                  The HK protesters paid ‘homage’to the Velvet revolution, recently.

                  WE are ‘on the march’, and victory MAY be achieved, WITHOUT having to resort to force of arms, certainly a good thing!

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  15. TruthSeeker55 says:

    That image of Mr. Durham is what the HildeBeast sees in her worst nightmares.

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  16. Og Oggilby says:

    Authority? We don’t need no stinkin’ authority….

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  17. ristvan says:

    Mueller’s request to GSA for the PDJT transition materials (no judicially approved subpoena) was unlawful, and it was unlawful for GSA to just turn them over without PDJT permission. Both deep state swamp moves, known as such at the time it happened.

    BUT, those same unlawfully obtained materials became part of the NO Collusion NO obstruction Mueller result. So in a way, yet another PDJT positive and Mueller negative. In the end a harmless/slightly useful side show.

    Meanwhile, Clinesmith is nailed for obstruction of justice by Cruz (altering evidence), NOBODY including Comey is exonerated by this massive system failure, and Schiff’s 2018 Intel memo countering Nunes is proven a pack of lies. Not bad outcomes from such a boring televised hearing.

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    • J.Thomas says:

      Yeah, I have never seen anything like it. The truth happened…and was documented extensively and filed in a massive government publication in perpetuity. I’m still kind of shocked, actually.

      Now we plainly see the rush to distract with impeachment. Had the public seen this without filter or distraction, then Trump wins in such a landslide that he may have even won NY and California and the Dems are pushed completely into oblivion.

      This IG report makes Trump a significant favorite to win reelection. These people are all starkly exposed as frauds, while Trump looks like the only honest broker among them.

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    • railer says:

      The only question is, does Clinesmith get squeezed ’til his pips squeak, and he gives somebody up?

      We’ll know soon enough. If Durham offers him a quick plea bargain and rushes it through, we’re done here.

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    • Flight93Gal says:

      Hello Lurking Lawyer,

      I agree with your conclusion of “Not bad outcomes from such a boring televised hearing”.

      However, who do you suggest OWNS responsibility to get the simple message out?
      17 instances of impropriety,
      51 lies to the FISA court,
      unlawful access to PDJT transition documents and violation of his civil rights,
      violation of Carter Page/citizen civil rights,

      Also, when does the DOJ actually RETRACT/WITHDRAW the phony FISA applications from the court and WILL Fisa Court issue a contempt charge or something else as a result?

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  18. zimbalistjunior says:

    i kinda forget but didnt van grak et al just snatch the transition materials off the servers or even the physical devices–claiming that all the material was property of obama white house until Jan.20th?

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  19. TruthSeeker55 says:

    Guys (and Ladies too!)
    My apologies for the near duplicate posts.
    My computer and WordPress are not getting along right now.
    I thought my first comment had gotten dropped, so I sent the second….. then they BOTH showed up!
    Ugh!

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  20. Justin Green says:

    Someone got some splainin’ ta do.

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  21. lieutenantm says:

    Comment deleted by Admin…

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  22. cboldt says:

    To answer Sundance’s question, the authority is a broad mandate to conduct a counterintelligence investigation on the Trump campaign and anybody connected to it. The time frame was not “duration of the campaign” but the past life of anybody connected with the campaign.
    This broad mandate had no justification beyond naked allegations by opposing forces of both parties. Those naked allegations were fueled by CIA and FBI planted hoaxes in the press, and a willing press ginning up public interest.
    The same system is used to drive election outcomes in ALL elections, except the Special Counsel part is omitted. The bureaucratic state runs the country, not the elected politicians. The elected politicians are paid off to keep silence. Government Omerta.

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  23. sundance says:

    *ahem*

    Conspicuous timing…

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    • California Joe says:

      Coincidence or maybe not!

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    • Jederman says:

      Next stop CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC…?

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    • WSB says:

      Don’t tell me…headed over to CNN? Shake him upside down first.

      Where is Durham?!

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    • WSB says:

      From the article:

      “Mr. O’Callaghan, who is the top adviser to Jeffrey A. Rosen, who succeeded Mr. Rosenstein as deputy attorney general, also advised Mr. Rosenstein and Attorney General William P. Barr on how best to release the Mueller report this spring. Mr. O’Callaghan, who plans to return to private practice, played a direct role in the decision not to accuse President Trump of obstruction of justice in the report and worked directly on the process to review the report so much of it could be made public.

      The Justice Department confirmed Mr. O’Callaghan’s move.

      Mr. O’Callaghan “is one of the most highly regarded lawyers at the Department of Justice,” Mr. Barr said in a statement. “His dedication and tireless commitment to the work of the department is second to none.”

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    • Ha! Him and Rosie looked like such hostages during that press conference.

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    • Despicable Me says:

      According to the NYT article and open source, O’Callaghan was, successively, a prosecutor in the SDNY, was in private practice, worked for the McCain campaign, was member of the Palin truth squad, private practice again where he worked in some capacity on the FIFA RICO matter, was head of DOJ NSD in 2017 and promoted in 2018 to the position he is leaving in the ODAG (was Acting DAG for a week in May 2019). The Times article also mentions that he was considered at one time to replace USA Berman in the SDNY and also considered as a replacement for USA Liu in DC earlier this year until her nomination to AAG was torpedoed and she stayed in place. Open source characterizes him as a Republican, undergraduate of Georgetown, and graduate of NYU law school.

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  24. Sundance strikes again with a HOT IRON: “Carter Page was not associated with the campaign or transition after the election, so under what authority did the DOJ allow the Mueller team to gain access to all of the Trump transition emails, texts, electronic and phone communications?”

    When will this ever be over?

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  25. gsonFIT says:

    Obama either knew about the whole thing or was too incompetent and malfeasant to have been President

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  26. CM-TX says:

    And…

    | A conflict is brewing between Mueller and Trump’s transition team over ‘tens of thousands’ of emails he obtained |

    …… “According to Langhofer, Beckler told the transition team that it “owned and controlled” all its emails, and that any requests for transition team records would be routed through the campaign’s legal representative.

    Beckler was *HOSPITALIZED* in August and has since *DIED*. Career GSA staff, working with Mr. Loewentritt and *AT THE DIRECTION OF the FBI*, immediately *PRODUCED ALL MATERIAL* requested by the Special Counsel’s Office — and without notifying TFA or filtering or redacting privileged material,” Langhofer continued in the letter.
    — (*EMPHASIS* mine)
    🤨

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-trump-emails-dispute-2017-12

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    • ann says:

      Took me 3 times reading the letter to “get” a very simple concept: they don’t bother w the laws and they don’t care if we know they break the laws .

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      • gsonFIT says:

        Trump for America was required to use Government Services Administration equipment. The agreement TFA signed gave GSA ownership of the data and info which they promptly shared with Team Mueller

        The GSA user agreement seems eerily similar to an online privacy agreement many people sign everyday without second thought.

        Also think about all the access Mueller had, and they found, as Susan Rice says, “nuffin”

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  27. jeans2nd says:

    Carter Page has insisted, and still insists, that he never quit the Trump campaign, but merely was on a leave of absence as of 26 Sep 2016. Recall, Page stayed in contact with Halper well into summer/fall of 2017.

    “(Page’s) contact with Halper continued for more than a year through September 2017,”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/carter-page-fbi-informant-peter-strzok-texts

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  28. TwoLaine says:

    I am really disappointed that no one brought up the fact that you get a FISA on one person and then there is the 2 hop rule, then asked how many people this caught up in their trap.

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  29. thedoc00 says:

    At the end SD hits the nail square on the head, “Then again, perhaps this speaks to why the DOJ is hiding the scope memos…”

    I had been making the comment often in the past. Manafort did the President and all of us a favor when he filed his motions challenging the legitimacy and authority of Mueller’s gang. In Mueller’s reply to the court he clearly stated that he had received VERBAL secret orders from Rosenstein. Those orders have never appeared anywhere and likely WERE NEVER COMMITTED to print, at least print we will never see. The written secret orders may have some revelations but it is the verbal orders that matter. Problem is that the classic Clinton “I can’t recall” defense is now usable. Or, there is a no knock physical and cyber raid to dig out somebody’s doomsday file.

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  30. hokkoda says:

    I saw that too. I suspect based on the FISA report that the FBI was unable to get FISA warrants on PapaD and Flynn for the same reason they were unable to get one on Page initially. I believe the report actually states that the FBI didn’t think they could get a FISA on PapaD (can’t remember the page number), and that they “never seriously considered” FISA’s against the others.

    They had a flimsy nonexistent case. If they go back with three FISA applications that “suddenly” show all three are agents of a foreign government, that’s going arouse suspicion at the FISC. So, their best candidate to fake it was Carter Page who was low enough level not to attract a lot of attention, but still would enable them to two-hop or three-hop their way into the Trump Campaign and Transition Team communications networks.

    For Flynn, they had a backup plan anyway. The FBI would have known, due to his high level position in the campaign, that they would likely pick Flynn up in normal SIGINT intercepts involving foreign agents like Kilsyak. In fact, that’s what they wound up doing as a work-around for not having a Flynn-specific FISA. I would bet if there were an investigation of the Obama Administration unmasking efforts in 2016 and early 2017, we would find that they specifically targeted Flynn and made it a point to intercept all of his phone calls to “foreign governments”, and then those intercepts were sent to the WH to be unmasked by Samantha Power. She was probably the clearinghouse for the unmasking-spying operation. That’s why, for example, really none of Flynn’s OTHER calls to OTHER countries were leaked…just the call with Kilsyak…”the Russians”. This was done as part of the broader media strategy to create and perpetuate the Russia Hoax initiated by the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

    Short version: they didn’t need a FISA for Flynn because they had other means to eavesdrop on his communications and (I’m assuming) they could two-hop and three-hop their way to what they needed.

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    • ganesh says:

      Remember now,

      NSA picks up the electronic signals no matter what. Then, given access to the NSA database via the FBI portal, Neeiiiggggghhhhllie Ohr and other “Federal Contractors” run “about” or what/if” searches to their hearts content. This is legal, as long as some time in the future (this is the fucked up part) they get a warrant (FISA) to do these searches. But if they do not get this warrant, they are screwed if someone finds out they actually used these searches for anything whatsoever, or perhaps even did them in the first place. Big no no just to go looking to see what you find (like Cohen in Prague – Ooops).

      The FISA on Carter Page was the “Insurance Policy”. If Hillary wins, no one ever finds out. No worries, but just in case let’s (cabal) get this. If Trump wins, we (cabal) are screwed unless we have this to cover for the otherwised unautorized database searches we have been doing.

      A Grand Jury can indict a Ham Sandwhich. How about a ham radio operator (here is looking at you Nellie)

      There is more and worse to come, but the screwing has begun.

      Baskground, amongst many other articles can be found at:

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/28/the-secret-research-project-an-irs-list-an-nsa-database-and-resulting-files-on-americans/comment-page-2/

      Durham, Durham, Durham, Durham

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  31. Justin Green says:

    One possibility: Two hop for Flynn. Just because Page left the campaign doesn’t mean he didn’t talk to Flynn.

    Manafort is different. Didn’t the DNC get the “black book payment” records from the Ukraine on Paul Manafort?

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  32. Phil aka Felipe says:

    What’s it called, ‘Fruit of the poisonous tree’?

    There are poisonous trees all over DC.

    They are trying to force the Deplorables to eat their fruit and and to like it no matter what.

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  33. stringplayer55 says:

    So, what will be the impact of the FISA abuse report (and Horowitz’s testimony today) on the case of General Mike Flynn? Choices, as I see them, are:

    1) Judge Sullivan finds the government actions so corrupt that he vacates (with prejudice) Flynn’s guilty plea
    2) Judge Sullivan finds the government actions corrupt and believes that they deserve an airing in court with additional discovery granted to Flynn’s attorney
    3) Judge Sullivan buys into the idea that the government did not intend to violate Flynn’s civil rights, that they had a legitimate premise for their inquiry, declares that the government has met their obligations for discovery, and pushes along the sentencing phase of Flynn’s trial

    Horowitz gave Sullivan the out for #3. Will he run with it or will he begin the process of actually holding the FBI (and Justice Department) accountable?

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    • MDiceman says:

      I would disagree with your final comment. Lack of intent doesn’t preclude turning over Brady material which is what has been at issue the past few months.

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    • hokkoda says:

      Horowitz’s testimony – that the entire report is a criminal referral – I think blows up #3. Flynn’s name shows up 83 times in the IG report, and it is inextricably intertwined with the (hoax) Russia investigation.

      I think the door is wide open for Sullivan to grant the MTC. The FBI was, as of 12 Jan 17, actively falsifying FISA warrants in support of their Russia investigation. The IG Report makes it clear that the FBI viewed the Flynn, Page, Papad, and Manafort elements of the Russia investigation as parts of a whole. 83 times the IG states this. Flynn was interviewed on or about Jan 21st…9 days after the FBI had obtained their falsified warrant renewal. In other words, the FBI knew damn well that their whole Russia investigation was bogus by that point, and the evidence the had collected was exculpatory.

      What is a key aspect of the Flynn motion? That the government had doctored the 302’s and that the government had withheld exculpatory information about Flynn. The IG Report makes it clear that the FBI was more than happy to doctor warrant renewals and withhold exculpatory information from the FISC. It’s the same damned people involved.

      Granting the MTC might actually get the government to drop all the charges (however that works in a legal sense) because it is likely the government greatly fears what those additional disclosures will reveal about FBI and DOJ misconduct.

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      • hokkoda says:

        Who was Clinesmith’s, the guy who falsified the FISA, supervisor? I believe I read that he worked for Peter Strzok. Who was one of the two agents that interviewed Flynn? Peter Strzok. Sullivan has everything he needs to grant Flynn/Powell the MTC and, if he’s really feeling generous, to overturn the entire conviction.

        If the latter happens, I expect PapaD’s conviction to also get tossed. They had no case against him, and never should have been interviewing him about “Russia collusion” or Clinton’s emails or whatever in the first place.

        Add both of those to Mueller’s team “owning” that fourth Carter Page FISA renewal, and the fact that the entire Russia investigation depended on the utterly discredited “dossier”, and you can light a match and burn Mueller’s report.

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      • stringplayer55 says:

        Your response suggests that there should be options 2a and 2b. Option 2a is that Sullivan grants further discovery and the DOJ continues with the case. Option 2b is that Sullivan grants further discovery only for the DOJ to drop all charges against Flynn. That would be HUGE.

        Option 2b is similar to option 1 in that the case is dropped and Flynn never again faces these bogus charges. Option 1 originates from a Sullivan preemptory ruling. Option 2b originates from the DOJ deciding that the least bad thing for them would be to completely drop the case.

        For the Republic, I hope for option 2a. We really need to have a complete airing of the malfeasance of the FBI/DOJ. Horowitz pulled his punch. We need actual court cases against the FBI/DOJ now. (Still waiting for Durham, of course.) For General Flynn, I hope for option 2b and, if not 2b, then option 1. Get this nightmare over with and then sue the living daylights out of those who sought to do him harm.

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        • hokkoda says:

          He already indefinitely postponed the sentencing. I think he’s predisposed to grant the MTC. The IG Report demonstrates clear Government misconduct in the Russia investigation, including falsifying evident, misleading the FISC and withholding exculpatory evidence. All of that directly involves Gen Flynn whose investigation was one part of the whole. Sydney Powell can no longer be accused by the Government of pursuing wacky debunked conspiracy theories.

          Granting the motion would set in motion a chain of events that would most likely lead to even more evidence of government misconduct. The government drops the case to avoid disclosure. I think that’s the most likely path.

          Then Powell and Flynn can file various complaints with DOJ, and give Mr. Durham a call…

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  34. Eric says:

    Once again, all of this becomes a moot point when/if it is finally revealed they were spying on Trump in 2015 and before.

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  35. booger71 says:

    “Carter Page was not associated with the campaign or transition after the election, so under what authority did the DOJ allow the Mueller team to gain access to all of the Trump transition emails, texts, electronic and phone communications?”

    Maybe someone invoked the magic words “National Security” or since Carter Page was no longer on the team, maybe they used old FISA 702’s (16 and 17) that you explained to us a couple of years ago.

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      But Carter Page admitted occasionally keeping in contact with Trump personnel after the election. IMO to ensure continued two-hop monitoring. Probably bazillion hop because you know how sneaky those damn Russkis are.

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      • Carrie says:

        Someone else mentioned that Page was technically only “on leave” from the Trump campaign. Was this done on purpose to maintain his link to the campaign during the FISA renewals?

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  36. Bryan Alexander says:

    At what point do the civil liberties and Bil of Rights end?

    If you are suspected of being a spy, and a counter-intelligence operation is opened on you, the FBI can do pretty much anything they want and completely ruin your life.

    If they find nothing, then you aren’t a spy. You are innocent. And the government ruined your life.

    What happened to the 1st, 4th and 5th Amendments?

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  37. rjones99 says:

    wow! that’s a VERY interesting catch there!!!

    i’m going to guess you might have just spoiled someone’s day ‘cuz that’s too big to write off aa another “mistake.”

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  38. KILL SHOT: You can bet Bull Durham won’t exonerate them …

    David Baker⭐️In⭐️Like⭐️Flynn (@IWasHrren) Tweeted:
    It seems #GomerComey has changed his name to #NoOneComey

    Horowitz to Senate, “the evidence I found, exonerated ‘NO ONE'”.

    As usual, verified, incriminating evidence against #DemoNazis is unavailable, or called unintentional, and irrelevant.

    https://t.co/H0MLSsjGZq https://twitter.com/IWasHrren/status/1204881716999000065?s=20

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  39. Austin Holdout says:

    Maybe they got the other info from the contractors who were using the NSA database with no supervision. Or maybe the CIA got foreign intel to get the info. Or maybe the CIA just used their usual information retrieval tools but with U.S. persons as their targets. Or maybe “resistance” employees in places like the GSA “leaked” the other documents to the special counsel. It seems like information that didn’t come through this FISA warrant probably didn’t come through any documented judicial process.

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  40. David Vicknair says:

    Van Grack is front and center in the Flynn-related prosecutorial misconduct. He is as corrupt as Wiseman.

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  41. Redwood Mountain Man says:

    What a scam. Bold in your face lawbreaking and corrupt. Innocent people ruined in obvious political hack jobs by arrogant felons.

    It is my sincere hope that the President just declassifies this stuff and returns us to a country with the rule of law.

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  42. Publius2016 says:

    Vault 7 is the key! Planted evidence on Trump servers already exposed!!

    Notice the lack of any “smoking gun” because Wikileaks exposed the underlying counter intelligence operation!!!

    In addition to Rosenstein redacted memos where are the underlying 21st Century surveillance methods??? everyone gets hung up on Schiff phone records release when cointel uses infrared, video and computer real time hacking…45 called Obama SICK for a reason!!!!

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  43. JImmy says:

    Time is running out for any thing good to happen. IN fact all bad are happening. It is a disgrace that such a great president’s name will be on impeachment book (thats what dems goal). How long people will keep waiting and react with analysis?
    I think people like SD need to go forward in a prominent way and start asking such questions. Expose the details everyone else is missing. Arrange a forum and speech, work with anchors you hate like hannity. Or even go to Maddow show by telling her that you ahve dirt on trump and start talking the opposite in live tv. Do something whoever can do in what format or capacity. I am so small that i dont have anything to make a meaningful impact.

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  44. jx says:

    Possible NSL abuse. Mueller was previously an NSL abuser.

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  45. ms Idaho says:

    opinion from a small shaky branch. seems to me the focus is on the wrong subject. all of this happened because HRC and the DNC bought & paid for it – all of it! Sanctioned by Obama.
    I think of a mean junkyard dog – happy to tear out your throat if its master so directs. also happy to lick you & wag its tail if the ‘boss’ says you are OK
    IMHO none of the actions against VSG PDJT would have taken place without directions (nod, winks, commands? from CIC Obama .
    I am haunted by a treeper suggestion that if HRC HAD WON, she would never have been inaugurated.
    So, despite all the Horowitz investigation ‘noise’, we are looking at the wrong criminals. Not ‘innocent’ good soldiers, but good junk yard dogs & willing accomplices.

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    • Debra says:

      That is my haunting suggestion which I stand by even more fervently than ever.

      This is NOT a two-sided fight — there are adversarial factions all over the place . . .

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      • ms Idaho says:

        Debra – thank you for letting me know my memory was correct. I don’t know how long ago you posted your thought but I feel sure your thought was right on. And it colors everything I see that is happening now.

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  46. rcogburn says:

    The time frame overlap with other revelations of spying is very interesting.

    “Approximately two months later [after Inauguration Day, or March, 2017], “TFA became aware of certain requests concerning PTT records,” SC’s office, “had obtained certain laptops, cell phones, and at least one iPad from the GSA” as well as, “tens of thousands of emails, including a very significant volume of privileged material,” and “the Special Counsel’s Office had, in fact, failed to use an “ethical wall” or “taint team” and instead simply reviewed the privileged communications…”

    In the same March, 2017 time frame:

    March 22, 2017, Devin Nunes, “”said a “source” had shown him evidence that members of the Trump transition team had been unmasked — and that their identities had been revealed in U.S. intelligence reports. Nunes had previously raised questions about the unmasking of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, whose communications with Russia’s ambassador were intercepted by the U.S. government and whose identity was leaked to the news media.

    Nunes suggested this unmasking might have been done for political reasons, saying the evidence he had seen had been widely disseminated across the intelligence community and had “little or no apparent intelligence value.” He added that he was trying to get more information by Friday from the FBI, CIA and NSA.

    “I have seen intelligence reports that clearly show that the president-elect and his team were, I guess, at least monitored,” the California Republican told reporters. “It looks to me like it was all legally collected, but it was essentially a lot of information on the president-elect and his transition team and what they were doing.” He said the information he had seen was not related to the FBI’s Russia investigation.

    March 4, 2017, two weeks prior, Evelyn Farkas Asst Dep Sec Def for Russia and Ukraine on MSNBC:

    FARKAS, March 4, 2017: “I was urging my former colleagues and frankly speaking to people on the Hill… ‘get as much of this information as you can… because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left. So it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy, and that the Trump folks if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump folks, the Trump staff’s dealings with Russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we would no longer have access to that intelligence. So I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open and I knew there was more. We have very good intelligence on Russia. So then I talked to some of my former colleagues and I knew they were trying to also get information to the Hill. That’s why you have the leaking.”

    https://www.intellihub.com/former-obama-official-admits-spying-on-trump-team-rush-to-spread-intelligence/

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/devin-nunes-donald-trump-surveillance-obama-236366

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/03/22/nunes-unmasking-report-vindicates-trump-claims-surveillance/

    https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/the-road-to-expulsion-heres-a-timeline-of-devin-nunes-clandestine-operations-on-the-house-intelligence-committee/

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    • rcogburn says:

      I forgot to mention, also at this time:

      2nd FISA renewal, with Clinesmith’s altered email. (And FWIW the FISA leak by Wolfe).

      All of these people were working in concert with each other to take out PDJT, and clearly this was not just limited to the small group: the SC office was secretly vacuuming up intel; the GSA was handing it over; people like Farkas, who was shuttling it to “the Hill” (e.g. Adam Schiff, the SSCI); I’m certain the Vindman twins at the NSC were neck deep in it and who knows who else among the 16 intelligence agencies and nameless govt officials. The small group were the ringleaders – but this was a MASSIVE effort.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      Who could ever forget Farkas. That’s the video Lindsey should have played today, with sound.

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  47. Paprika says:

    Somewhere in today’s hearing someone(mabe Tillis?) brought up what about the DoJ’s part in obtaining the FISA warrant. It occurred to me then that everything has been focused on the FBI part.

    Then I swear I heard Horowitz say that he himself was surprised to find out that the IG office can not investigate, or maybe he just said question, the attorneys in the DoJ.

    Did anyone else hear or catch exactly what was said? Or did I just dream this as I was in a stupor towards the end?

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  48. Blue Wildflower says:

    I wanted the American people to understand what a FISA means, when they hear they will be shocked.

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  49. kleen says:

    What about Dragon FISA?

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