Former AAG Matthew Whitaker Discusses Upcoming IG Report on FISA Abuse and Trump Campaign Surveillance…

Following leaked revelations that former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith manipulated evidence to attain a Title-1 surveillance warrant against U.S. person Carter Page to conduct political espionage against the Trump campaign, former AAG Matthew Whitaker discusses the IG investigation and upcoming IG report.

Whitaker notes the bigger issues are how the FISA process generally has been abused and potentially long-term ramifications.  It is also worth remembering it wasn’t just “wiretaps” that were gained, the FBI requested and received full Title-1 surveillance authority including: wiretaps, electronic surveillance, the use of bugs and tracking devices, physical surveillance, electronic and satellite geolocation surveillance and much more.  The FBI requested a type of surveillance generally reserved for tracking suspected terrorists.

When Mr. Clinesmith manipulated evidence to attain the warrant he was working under the guidance of FBI supervisory agent Peter Strzok.  “Political Espionage“.

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189 Responses to Former AAG Matthew Whitaker Discusses Upcoming IG Report on FISA Abuse and Trump Campaign Surveillance…

  1. CopperTop says:

    YUCK: about an hour ago CNN has stated the report will say the FISA was properly predicated despite the mishandling by underlings.

    Don’t know how anyone but one of Horowitz team who has seen whole report could get that info to CNN???

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    • Brutalus says:

      Hmmm…maybe CNN is lying

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      CNN making it up…..again.

      You haven’t figured that out yet?

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    • guybee55 says:

      The strategy is real clear – The deep state blames the Clinesmith and says we had not reason to believe this was false. We are innocent. You have to trust your staff. No one ever thought we were submitting false information for a FISA. If we had known this was happening, we would never have gone forward with this. This is horrible. We are so sorry. But we are innocent of malice and bias. We were just doing our job.

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      • vikingmom says:

        “We were just doing our job.”

        Sounds like someone trying a Nuremberg defense…”just following orders”. But in this case, they are going to try to throw the “low-level attorney” under the bus and excuse the higher ups. Really hoping that all of the people who have been fired have cut deals and told Horowitz, Durham, and Barr exactly who was in their chain of command! If there are no charges filed against any of the principal players, including Strok, Page, Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Jarrett, all the way up to Clinton and Obama, then no one is ever going to have faith in any investigation done by any Federal agency ever again!!

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        • Dutchman says:

          Well, as everyone, including Whitaker is saying, this is pre-release SPIN, and should be taken with at least 5 Lbs of salt.

          And, recalling the earlier I.G. report, shouldn’t be surprised IF the report says he couldn’t find CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of motive. NOT an easy thing to find conclusive evidence of.

          Finally, find it hard to feel confident of a lawyer (Whitaker) who pronounces “ex parte” as ‘party’, instead of ‘part-ay’; its LATIN Matt!

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      • Toenail says:

        Since the upper FBI and CIA are so easily fooled by a staff underling they must be stupid and totally incompetent. Fire them all and cancel their pensions on the grounds they lied about their skills and their capacity to do the job they signed up to do.

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        • lumoc1 says:

          Looks like the MSM has scored a hit if people believe that the fraudster is a “low level” underling seen that he was also on the Clinton mail investigation and has apparently the highest level of security clearance in order to work in position….?!?

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          • Austin Holdout says:

            Sounds like they’re not even admitting the “low level lawyer” was a fraudster. The way I read it, the storyline goes: Low level lawyer writes notes on the bottom of an email and sends it to someone higher in rank. Higher ranked person incorrectly assumes notes were written by original author and sends it on up the chain. Nothing to see here folks. Simple mistake.

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      • Right to reply says:

        I don’t believe Clinesmith will go down without singing. Read his emails, he’s a snowflake…

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    • Tl Howard says:

      Trying to influence the jury pool.

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    • mimbler says:

      Saying it was properly predicated to spy on the president would take legal and political judgement the IG doesn’t possess IMO.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Oh, the I.G. won’t say that. If he addresses it, he will say that he could not find clear, convincing evidence of political bias AS the motivation for their actions.

        IF thats where its going, its the “Justification trap” Sundance has written extensively about.
        “These actors, believing Candidate and President Trump was or,MAYBE was a Russian agent, they were overzealous in their efforts to gain evidence to either conclusive detirmine he,WAS, or,was not a Russian agent, due to the gravity of having a,Russian agent as POTUS.

        Their email comments on “the coup has,started”, support for Clinton and derision for Trump notwithstanding, we can’t find clear evidence that political bias was what motivated them to cross the line.”

        Or, something to that effect. IF there IS some such balderdash in the report, it will be in the Summary/Conclusions part of the report, and will, IMHO, confirm Barr is a cleaner.

        But, …Lets see what happens!

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        • Zephyrbreeze says:

          What about failing to check the sources before signing? There can’t be one person who claimed to check the sources and no one else checking the claims of that employee. How many millions of employees are there?

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      • ms doodlebug says:

        It seems you are right. If the IG could make that determination, AG Barr wouldn’t need Durham investigating. The IG could just refer them for criminal investigation and the DOJ could take it through prosecution from there.

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    • WeThePeople2016 says:

      CNN doth protest too much. Panic much. They don’t know squat. End of story.

      Liked by 5 people

    • Shyster says:

      That narrative has to be false. From what we do know, the Nunes memo states that the Steele Dossier made up the “bulk” of the application and we know from the Mueller Report, the allegations of the Steele Dossier were untrue and/or unprovable. Further McCabe testified to Congress that without the dossier there would be no FISA warrant. We further know Carter Page was never charged with any crimes. We know Michael Cohen never went to Prague. Given just these deficiencies it seems highly unlikely the IG is going to find that there was probable cause to believe Carter Page was acting on behalf of a foreign power AND violated U.S. law.

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      • California Joe says:

        Didn’t a State Department official point out to the FBI and DOJ that there’s no Russian Consulate in Miami and that she thought the dossier was fake!

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    • davidberetta says:

      CNN? I have never watched CNN in more than 20 years. They were great in the 1980’s along with MTV. Much has changed since then. Ugly leftists infiltrated and both Networks and became unwatchable.

      “Watching” these propaganda networks is no different than sticking with a cheating spouse an/or associating with a friend/family member who is a liar.

      I personally have no time for such drama. Glad you could make it through the insanity of viewing/watching.

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    • Diana Allocco says:

      Of COURSE that’s what it’s going to say. That’s what Horowitz reports always say.

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    • Darrell Michael Richardson says:

      CNN has been watching too much of Adamn Schitt. The bottomline is thus everything spawned from the origination is now illegal and as such all prosecutions/convictions must be overturned and those responsible for this mess must be prosecuted.

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    • justlizzyp says:

      Personally, I think that is mostly WaPo/ NYT/ CNN echo chamber spin.

      I cannot reconcile that sort of report with the Durham probe reporting (including but not limited to Barr personally traveling to Italy, expanding timeline and additional staff, shift to ‘criminal investigation.)

      As always, though, I am aware that I tend to be very Pollyanna and am used to being disappointed.

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    • sundance says:

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      • bofh says:

        Also, even though each subject only sees the portions of the report that relate to them, the resistance attorneys probably function as a group, sharing information freely. Thus they could probably collect a pretty complete picture of the report by collating the various players’ sections.

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      • Elric VIII says:

        And don’t forget about a goodly number of U.S. Representatives and U.S. Senators from both parties who were also in om the conspiracy and looting of the public treasury.

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    • Justin Green says:

      You mean CNN might…. lie?

      OMG!! Say it ain’t so!!!

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    • whoseyore says:

      Soros gives them all their ‘talking points’. That is why they all use the same word/words each day. All across the networks there will be one word or one phrase that they say over and over and over again each day. It changes sometimes daily or every couple of days. But for them to all use the very same word/phrase is statistically impossible without someone feeding it to them.

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  2. Old Dawg says:

    My faith that the system will “out” itself is zero or less. Show me!

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  3. If FISA is renewed, there needs to be significant penalties for abuse. I’d be OK with the death penalty but I’m sure that won’t fly with the snowflake generation, so I’ll settle for life without parole.

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  4. bayrat65 says:

    Until some of the liberal traitors are hand cuffed and lead away, it’s all just fluff, no substance. We have all gotten our Hope’s up to many times to get all worked up about it.

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  5. Harvey Lipschitz says:

    Kevin Clinesmith will admit under oath he did what Peter said to do.

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  6. Blue Wildflower says:

    The American people need to understand what a FISA means, what it does. Americans think they have freedoms. Wait until they find our that the government can monitor everything you say to your grandchildren in the privacy of your home because you spoke to an old friend that you ran into on the sidewalk and you had not seen him for 40 years. After that you can start explaining what they have done to President Trump and how they tried to throw away 63 million votes.

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  7. Retired USMC says:

    The little fish are part of the story…the truth has a narrative too, and it’s built from the bottom up.

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  8. pucecatt says:

    So what charges is this guy facing based on what we know ? Political espionage? 20 years , life ?

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  9. Ray Runge says:

    Matt Whitaker’s brief stint on Fox is a sharp counter point to the earlier release by WaPo, CNN and the NYSlimes.

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  10. Reserved55 says:

    Mr Hemmeroid guoting The Slim Slimes tells you all need to know.

    “Low Level”, she is a communist propagandist.

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  11. individualright says:

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  12. EggsX1 says:

    I have no expectations this report will yield anything.

    The IG is a government bureaucracy watching another one. They live in the same circles. They move between these agencies (Atkinson). The IG role is to run cover for the malfeasance and slap procedural lipstick on the pig.

    If it actually was going to hold people to account, the narrative leaks have a full two weeks to solidify people’s minds about it. Are people going to have their minds opened through some bureaucratic ‘there were mistakes’ legalese report when the controlled media will sugar coat the report? Would indictments even do it?

    We need a complete redo of how the FISA system works.

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    • Peoria Jones says:

      Well you’re reading here like the rest of us, so you might want to pass the truth along…like the rest of us. 😉

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    • Dutchman says:

      “We need a complete redo, of how the FISA system works”; You can put lipstick on a pig,..comes to mind.

      It is INHERENTLY unconstitutional, and no do, redo or hairdo can change that.
      Can’t give it a ‘makeover’, all you can do is kill it, burn it and scatter the ashes, and no one in Congress (who has control) has the inclination or bal,…CAJONES, to try.

      Even Nunes isn’t calling for abolishing it. I THINK Rand Paul is the ONLY one that has called for abolishing it.

      PDJT’s got the bal,…WHAT IT TAKES, but am unsure, frankly if he has the,authority.

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  13. Zimbalistjunior says:

    Sorry for hijacking thread again but.
    And in too funny to be true news, CNN is now reporting that Parnass attorney claims that Nunes met with Parnass to try to get info on Biden.
    Fredo is running with this as if this is damning to Nunes.
    Problem is the claim is Nunes Parnass meeting took place way before Biden declared candidacy.
    So um this disproves the entire impeachment narrative. Going after Bidens pre candidacy means going after them for non political 2020 reasons.

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    • Zimbalistjunior says:

      Sorry. Parnass attorney claiming by Nunes met with shokin in December. That would be 5 months before Biden announced candidacy.

      Nice one CNN

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    • Justin Green says:

      And THAT should be the argument, or a large part of the argument if this ever goes to a Senate trial. Lay out all the evidence that tens of millions of dollars, if not BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars, were stolen because the Deep State encouraged that to happen and protected the players when they got caught.

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  14. Jimmy R says:

    CLINESMITH: …w- w- ….www- . whaat??
    HILLARY CLINTON: [SQUEEZING CLINESMITH’S HAND SO HARD THAT IT HURTS] You heard me, Kevin. The decisions you will make in the next little while are very important. We’re all thankful for everything you do, Kevin. [SQUEEZES THE HAND EVEN HARDER CAUSING CLINESMITH TO CRY OUT] I’m sure you’ll do the right thing.

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  15. Zorro says:

    Trust Stealth Matt.

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  16. individualright says:

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    • individualright says:

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    • Kleen says:

      I posted the same tweet below. I did not see your post until after I posted

      PapaD knows a lot about the scheme.

      It’s also interesting to listen to Michael Caputo/ Roger Stone entrapment story.

      The swamp was surrounding Trump’s allies all over the place.

      Then we have Patrick Byrne from Overstock.

      This was a massive conspiracy! Massive!

      And we still haven’t heard about the unmaskings and details about reporters being spied on.

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    • JimWVa says:

      I watched an interview with Carter Page on FNC tonight where Page said that he had a telephone conversation with Clinesmith in 2016 when Page called the FBI to report the threats Page was receiving because of the media leaks regarding the FISA warrant. Contacts with both Papadopoulos and Page seem to show that Clinesmith was a close operational agent for “Crossfire Hurricane”.

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  17. JohnCasper says:

    “The FBI requested a type of surveillance generally reserved for tracking suspected terrorists.”

    I think that should be other terrorists as in, other terrorists than FBI terrorists. The terrorist organization called Al Qaeda has not conducted any terrorists attacks on American soil since 9/11/2001 whereas the terrorist organization called FBI has conducted quite number of them.

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  18. Kleen says:

    Jeff Carlson

    4h4 hours ago
    More
    The Justice Department obtained three renewal orders. The paperwork associated with the renewal applications contained information that should have been left out, and vice versa.

    The email Mr. Clinesmith handled was a factor during the wiretap renewal process.

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  19. Wow. So glad to be reminded of what a title 1 surveillance means!!! When people see just how intrusive this was, I imagine a lot of people who haven’t really been following too closely will be shocked.

    I hope the Republicans will hammer this point home, because I believe it will scare the hell out of some people who are not “woke”.

    If this abuse/criminal act by members of our government is allowed to go without prosecutions and prison sentences, then no one will ever have faith in our system of government again, and America will be finished as we know it.

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  20. Kleen says:

    George Papadopoulos
    @GeorgePapa19
    ·
    5h
    Kevin Clinesmith, the high ranking official from the FBI currently under criminal investigation, interviewed me in such a bizarre manner that I would not be surprised if there is a conspiracy charge coming. Read my book and understand why he’s the first domino. Good day for 🇺🇸!

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  21. Mike says:

    All this narrative is silly rabbit nonsense. Origins, Carter a Page lawyers, phone calls, deep state DC democrats and the minions that support THEM.

    Ask government to produce unreacted mountain of data collected by the FISA warrants against not only Trump but his entire transition staff. Name 3rd party contractors to/from and about queries. Document dump all of it.

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  22. Sherri Young says:

    A FOIA case re surveillance to watch.

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    • Justin Green says:

      3) Simply stated, in the four years prior to the 9/11 attacks, a small group of very talented guys at NSA came up with a way to scan digital traffic for signs that a US Person was in comms with terrorists, segregate that traffic for analysis, & discard everything else.

      Which is amazing, since the government can’t get the damned Do Not Call list to work properly.

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  23. Retired IG says:

    Thank you always Sundance for all you do. Providing videos (don’t have a boob tube and my computer is almost crashing daily).. However, am beginning to realize I have a derangement syndrome of my own making going on. Making comments on this site just out of frustration and anger. I rarely ever bother to look back to how anyone responds to my rants. Not a productive thing for anyone involved.
    Had a quasi argument with a family member who felt I dissed them for listening to the hearings. Would love to read my sibling the riot act. But that would serve no purpose.
    Am going to estop commenting until after IG Report. release (but will continue to read here.). I will just keep my derangement syndrome to myself as it may only fuel discordant thoughts in cogent human beings.
    Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

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    • Peoria Jones says:

      I HATE getting a new computer. But the “Black Friday” season is the time to do it, and I will be making the leap. It will make your life easier in the long run. Might take a little stress off, afterward. I’ve always enjoyed your posts.

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  24. Whitehouse Clown says:

    How can anyone believe anything reported by CNN, the most busted name in news. This smells more like a red herring. Finger a staff weenie lawyer to cover the crimes of his superiors. This dude will surely lose his law license. The question is will he sing .

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  25. Cathy M. says:

    Arrogant DOJ employees ignoring (or never bothered to read) main DOJ’s advice.

    Over a decade or so ago, main DOJ put out an email to all federal law enforcement warning law enforcement & US Atty/Asst U.S. Attys to be mindful of what they say on social media, in e-mails when discussing an investigation or a suspect (concerning bad mouthing defendants, etc.) and were also warned not to discuss any case information on personal cell phones as that could subject the info on that phone as discoverable material.
    That DOJ memo was instigated as several cases were recently lost at that due to such behavior.

    It pleases me to no end that members of the coup ignored or didn’t read the memo.

    There’s an old law enforcement saying that says- “If it ain’t on paper, it didn’t happen.”
    That originally referred to a LEO neglecting to state in their investigative report &/or Miranda Rights warning form, etc. that a suspect was read his Miranda rights (if they actually did so) &/or other pertinent/important information.

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  26. JohnCasper says:

    Today they bake, tomorrow they brew
    Then all of America they plan to stew
    For still far too few understand the devious game
    And fewer still will say it aloud, that simply FBI and CIA is the evil’s name!

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  27. Phil says:

    Hmmm. Can I start calling Comey a low level FBI agent now? Or Hillary a low level presidential candidate?

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  28. De Oppresso Liber says:

    The COUP continues —

    Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer has DEFIED President Trump’s order to NOT take away CPO Gallagher’s SEAL Trident or remove him from his Team. Spencer has stated that DESPITE the president’s order, that CPO Gallagher WILL appear before the board, have his Trident taken away, and kicked off his Team.

    This is simply outrageous and unacceptable! Also, senior officers including Rear Admiral Green are supporting Spencer’s defiance of President Trump’s orders.

    THIS IS A MUTINY!!!

    SPENCER SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY AND PUBLICLY FIRED, AND ANY OFFICER KNOWN TO HAVE SUPPORTED THIS MUTINY SHOULD BE COURT-MARTIALED BY THE UCMJ, AND EITHER SHOT OR IMPRISONED IN FT. LEAVENWORTH FOR LIFE!!!

    I never, ever imagined I would live to see something like this. President Trump needs to act swiftly and decisively to eradicate these mutinous OBAMA TRAITORS!!!

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  29. ezgoer says:

    Don’t be surprised if Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan were involved in approving the FISA abuse as members of the intelligence Gang of 8. So Mitch will be very motivated to ensure that IG Horowitz report has been doctored to hide the truth as well as pressuring AG Barr to keep Durham under control.

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    • California Joe says:

      Then Mitch will force Democrats to kill the impeachment crap! They can’t have it both ways which is why Lindsey Graham announced an investigation of Biden and Ukraine today.

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  30. James F says:

    Carter Page keeps downplaying the latest leak as “more of the same” and “we already knew all of this long ago”. Emphasizing that same talking point in two sperate interviews I have seen today.

    This is not how someone who has been vindicated should be reacting to official confirmation of falsified documents being used against him by the FBI.

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  31. California Joe says:

    President Trump today on FOX specifically mentioned Susan Rice and Samantha Power being up to their necks in the illegal surveillance on him! How is that not a crime!

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  32. NJF says:

    Laura just had carter page on. Most animated, yet cogent I’ve ever seen him.

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  33. xsnake ralf says:

    …and Strzok and Comey will skate.
    Hell…..ALL the perps will skate…..the swamp protects it’s critters.

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    • fangdog says:

      If you are a swamp critter, you spend your life eating other swamp critters. You even eat your own young. Democrats exemplify swamp critters.

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  34. Wsj also reporting that FISAs properly predicated, but mistakes made and they have a scape goat lawyer to pin it on. Another oversell by Hannity, Sara Carter and the tick tock crew.

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    • bofh says:

      FYI the WSJ has a pretty scorching case of never-Trump, so that should be factored into evaluating their articles. Remember who owns WSJ – Rupert Murdoch.

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  35. warspite2 says:

    Anyone who hoped for anything courageous from an IG Report was living in a fantasyland. But the report will be extremely damaging if it actually concludes the FISA warrants were properly predicated. Being an IG it is more likely Horowitz will use some weasel language about, “based upon only partially complete evidence available to the IG” the FISA warrants “appear” to be properly predicated. This is the role of the IG: go after the low hanging fruit, self aggrandisement, keeping all powerful interests somewhat happy. Welcome to the real world.

    It is almost certain Trump SCREWED UP by not declassifying all documents related to FISA, etc., letting the chips fall wherever.

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    • Justin Green says:

      Trump can still declassify them.

      However, that would almost spoon feed the criminal defense attorneys ammo to use against Durham.

      We don’t know that the documents haven’t been declassified. We only know that they haven’t been declassfied and released.

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    • mimbler says:

      If PDJT declassified all documents related to FISA, etc. as you suggest, he’d be legitimately impeached, as he would undoubtedly be releasing information that would hurt the USA. That is why he gave Barr the authority to declassify where appropriate. IMO

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    • icthematrix says:

      Agree this has potential to set the table for scraps versus a justified bounty of justice. Thanksgiving is feeling more like indian-giving relative to our investigators…although I never had much confidence. Apologies for using a possible derogatory old term…better get used to lockstep speech in the future if our President is railroaded.

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  36. rjones99 says:

    It will be a huge mistake if this report holds nobody to account and fails to find evidence for the blatantly obvious FBI-aided effort to prevent Trump’s election. It doesn’t take a Chris Wray to see what went on and if they’ve covered it all up…well let’s just say it may well cost Trump re-election. Voters don’t like being insulted.

    About the only way i could see recovery from a coverup report would be to twitter fire Chris Wray for incompetence. It takes bravery to do the right thing and if Wray doesnt have what it takes, he should go.

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  37. OK Corral says:

    I’m waiting for the two organizations the CiA and the FBI to go to war with each other. I think we are fast approaching that situation….and it won’t just be pleasantries exchanged.

    I’m curious though even more so know how that exactly operates if both agencies spy….does the CIA have to go thru the same process as the FBI to obtain said warrants.

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  38. MD says:

    They may try to blame this whole thing on lower level employees but it won’t work. As we have seen in the phony impeachment hearing as well as countless other times is that none of these people have minds of their own. They all get their orders and talking points from the top of the chain of command. How else can anyone explain how regardless of the issue they all follow the same narrative. Lots of people and never a single disagreement, ever?

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  39. thedoc00 says:

    Unless he flips, FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith is going to be the fall guy and alleged anchor point for the Obama by the book order, recorded in the memo to self by Rice (or was it Paige??).

    Everybody else is going to walk with just being “yelled at”.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      With respect to the CYA and by the book memo to self by Page (or was it Rice or Yates), I was skeptical of SD assessment that this memo was the get out jail card for the coup members and I now stand corrected. This guy created a “false pretense and excuse”. The memo is now in play as the saving grace for the coup members.

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      • Zephyrbreeze says:

        Clearly, it was faked for effect. Any reasonable person can see that. A lawyer especially knows how to do this. If I’m running a tax scheme, or as a doctor a RX drug ring, and I write myself a note stating pristine intentions, that would get me off? The law doesn’t see through that?

        Maybe Clinesmith’s hyper partisen texts are to set him up for motive to be the fall guy. Only problem is that other people were talking about the insurance policy. They were all too clever by half. But maybe the point is to have something that will fool a gullible public.

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  40. Liberty ONE says:

    HEADLINE when the Horrorwitz”s IG Report is Released…..”NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ON”. WE the people are going to get F’ed AGAIN! There is NO accountability nor consequences for DS’ers, they own the government!

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  41. Bill says:

    I think we all need to stop looking at this guys picture and thinking he’s some “low level” dweeb that got picked on in high school. He’s not low level. This guy was the top lawyer on Cross Fire Hurricane for a while. I genuinely think the IC chooses people like Clinesmith and Moyer particularly because of their appearance. Look how may of us think “look at this soy boy loser” he got played. F that noise. This guy is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He’s cunning, hate filled, malicious and the enemy of the people. Don’t let the the MSM shape your view of this disposed of condom.

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  42. billrla says:

    It’s disgraceful. Every carcass of actual news is picked-clean before We, the People, get so much as a whiff of the truth.

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  43. California Joe says:

    Joe Biden publicly threatens Lindsey Graham over pending Senate investigation of Hunter Biden and Ukraine. Isn’t that a crime….obstruction of justice? I mean it would be if President Trump made the threat. No?
    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/11/22/joe-biden-lindsey-graham-will-regret-investigating-me-his-whole-life/

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  44. Right to reply says:

    FBI/CIA needs cleaning out, and a new organization built.

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  45. pucecatt says:

    A little off topic but State dept just dumped a lot of documents related to Ukraine ..

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    • Doppler says:

      Link?

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      • pucecatt says:

        Just type in state dept document dump , i just scanned through them and it appears to be a campaign from former ambassadors defending Maria Y , a letter to somebody at state dept sign by 6 individuals with supporting documents about the so called smear campaign etc .. a call log of Pompeos calls only 1 to Rudy from what I can tell , a letter from Engel and another democrat to Pompeo about the smear and the urge him to defend his employees ..

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  46. Magabear says:

    I’m not sure why people are going all “nothing will happen, we’ve been had yet again!” here based on stories by known fake news outlets like CNN and WaPo. Maybe we will be let down, maybe not, but don’t let fake news narrative shapers depress you.

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  47. Doppler says:

    Is Clinesmith likely in charge of narrative management within the resistance? Maybe, all by himself, he leaked what he knows, which would be only what is said about him by the IG, to the NYT, and they ran with this story. Throwing himself under the bus.

    Or maybe, he reported what he knows to his superiors, who gathered info from all the principals, and leaked this, deciding to throw him under the bus.

    OR, maybe he cut a deal long ago to plead and cooperate, shared an edited version of what is said about him with his superiors, they then craft the NYT narrative to suit themselves, only to have that story blow up in their and the NYT’s faces, ala the whistleblower’s account of “the phone call,” as retold by Schiff.

    This may be another twist on the prisoner’s dilemma. Prosecution offering leniency in exchange for help in bringing down the leaders. What can the resistance offer instead? Money? A job? Whatever they offer is obstruction and suborning perjury.

    The vice tightens.

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  48. hokkoda says:

    If I wanted to catch leakers, I’d show them each a small slice of the report and pepper in fake plot points to see who leaked…like the movie production companies do.

    That would be really fun to watch, but I doubt the DOJ cares enough to try.

    I also read that Horowitz only interviewed this guy in September after receiving the altered statements in the FISA application. After the interview, Clinesmith left. So this feels like a bit of a side show…but it does beg the question of where Horowitz got the data from (or more accurately: who).

    Don’t sweat the CNN reporting. They’re all going to claim that the IG/Durham investigations are the result of YET MORE “Russian interference”. I fully expect the Lefties to start calling anyone who posts this stuff a “Putin troll”. I think the NYT is already reporting that all the bad news coming out of Ukraine regarding Democrats/Ukraine teaming up in 2016 to undermine Trump is “Russian interference”. I think that’s going to be their default strategy for everything Durham/IG related.

    Anyway, of course CNN is going to report that the whole investigation and FISA was above board. They have no choice but to stick to the Government Party Line. And I expect Horowitz to grant the conspirators the Hillary Clinton Defense – extreme carelessness, sloppy procedures, lack of proper oversight, yada, yada. They’re not looking for criminals. IG’s simply look at the rules and checklists. They’re preprogrammed to believe everyone on the team is a good guy with a stellar service record.

    It’ll be Durham’s job to splice together the criminal conspiracy, not Horowitz.

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  49. Zephyrbreeze says:

    And, this my friends, feels like the Tipping Point.
    I’m going by the worried looks on the faces of the MSM.

    Let’s ruin those family Thanksgivings for the criminals who have, like all criminals, been completely delusional about their chances of “getting away with it.”
    That said, I feel sorry for the innocent family members who will have their lives ruined by the revelation of their relative’s treachery. Criminals have many victims.
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    You know the best thing about talking politics at Thanksgiving?
    Fewer gifts to buy,
    (Ok, I stole that from a meme.)

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