#ParadiseStrong…

Stay strong Paradise, CA.  You are all in our hearts; and we will continue taking action to assist our brothers and sisters in need.

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135 Responses to #ParadiseStrong…

  1. srmikeinohio says:

    “ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT FOREST FIRES”
    by Smokey the Bear

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    • tuskyou says:

      Bear with me please–
      It’s Smokey Bear (no The)
      I have a friend who is a retired fire fighter and he collects Smokey stuff. I made the same mistake years ago but he set me straight. Passing it on (he’ll be so proud of me, lol)

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      • Kenji says:

        Of course you are correct. And while we are onto pet peeves … please allow mine. Sierra/Sierras … please for the love of all that is holy … DO NOT say Sierras plural. There is no such thing. Sierra IS plural (you know like deer/deers). Hearing Sierras is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

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        • And while we’re at it, a reminder that “loose” is the opposite of “tight” and “lose” is the opposite of “win.”

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        • GB Bari says:

          It is a common American colloquial form to add the “s” after the name of a mountain range in lieu of writing or saying “Mountains”.

          Appalachians, Rockies, Sierras, Smokies, Poconos…..all are used quite commonly and it has long been an accepted shortening of their formal names.

          I fully understand that sierra is Spanish for a range of rugged mountains. My spouse’s ancestors are named Sierra, they were (not coincidentally) from the mountainous north of Spain (Asturias y Cantabria).

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          • Carrie2 says:

            GB, but we do not make those mistakes in Spanish so why in English, and also not in German or China either.

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            • Rawkstar says:

              Ha. We never said Sierras, always the Sierra Navadas. Even on the CA side.

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            • GB Bari says:

              But we are not talking or writing here en Español, we are writing and speaking in English. Not every grammatical practice in Spanish (or German -thank heavens- or other foreign languages) carries over to English, especially in America.

              We aren’t talking about the sierra as a generic mountain range. We are discussing the Sierra Nevada Mountains, specifically.

              Therefore, IMHO, it is not a mistake in our language, it is making a plural out of a proper noun (a name) used to describe a specific group of named mountains, such as we do when discussing family names: How many Smiths are there? How many Joneses are in the phone book? How many Krogers (food stores) are there in Dayton OH? etc. etc.

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              • Jim in TN says:

                Thank goodness that we do have to follow every German grammar rule not.

                Sentences like the one above drive German students batty. Imagine trying to keep up notetaking while a professor drones on with paragraph length sentances, only to find the negation slapped on at the end.

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          • Kenji says:

            It’s acceptable to call the Pyrenees mountains … the Pyreneeses? Pyrenees‘s?

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            • GB Bari says:

              LOL. I’ve never heard them referred to as anything but the Pyrenees. My guess is that the name already ends in an “s” so most folks don’t bother with making it more awkward.

              Remember, English is not a language where one grammatical or spelling rule applies universally across all similar usages. That’s why many foreigners complain that English is so difficult to learn fluently – because it has so many more words than many other languages and because of the many usage variations.

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        • cthulhu says:

          “Sierra Nevada” means “snowy saw” in Spanish. And we’re talking regular wood-cutting saws — a bandsaw is “sierra de banda”; a table saw is “sierra de mesa”, a crosscut saw is “sierra de corte transversal”, and a jigsaw is a “sierra de calar”. You learn “nieve” as snow in Spanish class, but “nevada” is a slightly weirder form of the same word.

          So it is somewhat correct to note that “the Sierras” can be inappropriate. No matter how many teeth it has, a saw is still one saw. But one can have more than one saw — I have a scrollsaw, a table saw, several hand saws, and a band saw. Similarly, one could refer to the northern Sierra and the southern Sierra, then say “both Sierras can be mountainous and rocky”.

          In general, the entire Sierra Nevada range would be a thing [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Nevada_(U.S.) ], but if it had been previously noted as having two or more distinct zones, it would be clearer to refer to a grouping of such things as “Sierras” to avoid confusion. So if one had discussed the California portion of the Sierra and the Nevada portion of the Sierra, it migh be appropriate to refer to the entire range as “the Sierras”.

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        • Little Pink Houses says:

          Y’all can be singular or plural depending on where you live in the South but all y’alls is singular & plural & shows possession in the Deep South! 😂😂😂

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          • Little Pink Houses says:

            Probably should not have posted that, attempt at a little levity.
            Our thoughts, prayers & financial help are with all affected by the fires.

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    • Sharon says:

      Even the Seattle Times (this past August) has apparently grasped that the Smokey Bear policies were not and are not inherently wonderful.

      https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/was-smokey-bear-wrong-how-a-beloved-character-may-have-helped-fuel-catastrophic-fires/

      The Smokey Bear indoctrination was an example of “just do what we say and don’t ask questions”.

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      • 4EDouglas says:

        Smokey taught kids how to be aware of fire and the dangers.. Nothing
        wrong with that…

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        • sunnydaze says:

          IKR?

          Smokey was very effective in teaching kids to be careful w/campfires, etc.

          WTH?

          YOU can prevent Forest Fires. Great message for little kids.

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          • piper567 says:

            Smokey once asked smokers to break all matches…once when matches were made of wood.
            I was probably 12 before I realized the point: can’t break a HOT match w/out getting your fingers burnt.
            No one n my family smoked, so it didn’t register at first. and, since I grew up in SoCal, Smokey was always a Hero.

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          • cthulhu says:

            When our godkids were small (they’re now in college), we used to let them do things they weren’t allowed to do at home. They needed a plan, appropriate safety gear, appropriate preparation, a way to halt, a way to mitigate damage, and a way to escape. Our message was: if you have that and want to blow up the barbecue, we’re not your parents.

            I hope and pray that our teachings took hold in them. I know that we made an impression.

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  2. zooamerica says:

    It’s all Trump’s fault.

    He is to blame for EVERYTHING.

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    • agentcommonsense says:

      Look how racist we were back then.. NOT

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      • piper567 says:

        racism er-entered out Country with a vengeance due to ozero’s inflammatory actions and policies.

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        • agentcommonsense says:

          Yes

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        • Jim in TN says:

          I don’t think it really did go away. We were winning until Zero stepped up his fight. That is true. But much of the disappearance was artificial. Just like they hide good news about Trump, they have been hiding news depicting their own racism.

          We can’t get rid of racism until it is not okay for anybody to hate anyone else because of their race. Yet all of multiculturalism and diversity is really intended to encourage hating of one race, one culture, and until this last election one sex. (Now it is okay to hate white women too.) Indeed, they are designed to divide us.

          And, on close examination, Democrats never worked to get rid of their own racism. They just lied about their past, blaming it on their opponents. And they give themselves a lot of get out of jail free cards. Because they continually slip up and show their core racism. But they define good and evil as Democrat and Republican respectfully, so they can never really be bad, and you can never really be good. At least that is how they see it.

          Under such practices, real racism gets hidden and rewarded at the same time. False accusations of racism get blown up into big problems.

          Remember, Bush was accused as racist despite some murderer getting the death penalty, all because he did not also convict him of hate. And somehow he was able to steer Katrina into black people, and not help them prepare, and cause all the flooding, and leave them to die. All these ludicrous false accusations were the tools the dems used to help raise Obama to prominence.

          Obama just took what was already there and fanned the embers, creating the fires we see burning around us.

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          • piper567 says:

            Jim I do agree with you to an extent.
            I think part of the race issue is the attitude of the surrounding society..is it ok to be racist? We as a society were approaching it Not being ok to be racist…outloud…in your face.
            Now, the even the press is openly racist, see comments ab Kanye, and no one says a peep. This is the atmosphere I think ozero condoned.
            But I do agree that the remnants of racism existed before that traitor entered the scene.

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      • sunnydaze says:

        Late 60’s/70’s – so many “mixed” bands. So much progress, so fast.

        Then the Dems came in and destroyed it all w/their BS programs and messages.

        Black TV comedies from this era are really great, too.

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        • Marc says:

          Seething multiracial music groups and black actors on TV doesn’t mean the country was less racist in the past. That’s like saying, there were lots of Jews on TV years ago and we didn’t have a problem with anti-Semitism.

          Maybe it was simply ignorance is bliss. You were happy not knowing how bad things truly were for minorities and use their exposure in media as a type of confirmation bias. Sure, the racial grievance industry of the last 20 years is obnoxious and tedious but don’t sugarcoat the past please.

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    • You forgot “Wild Cherry”..

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  3. stats_guy says:

    I’m glad that the ‘unaccounted’ for is decreasing. I so hope that most of the remaining unaccounted for will show up…maybe the death toll will be kept in the 2 digits. I hope and pray.

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  4. Sayit2016 says:

    Living in CA has its challenges — I k now of these things I live here. But the damage that could have been avoided…. is both bind boggling and heartbreaking. Brown and Newsom with their heads down in shame… I w ant to k now where in the hell are the Environmental Agency heads that recommended that the state ignore SAFETY measures and proper land management ?

    I do not want them to remain nameless and faceless– OWN THE CONSEQUENCES of what you were demanding be done you boneheaded environmentalist !

    They should have to look the families in the FACE that lost loved ones and see what a destroyed family looks like up close.

    PS… NO ONE GAVE A RED RATS ASS ABOUT THE DAMN SMELT FISH that died anyway !

    Consider me — P**ssed off to INFINITY.

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    • MTeresa says:

      Twenty – two pages of names. These were PEOPLE. Someone’s mother, sister, grandmother, aunt, daughter, husband brother, father, uncle, son. These names belonged to a living breathing person that is gone ………….forever.

      This is unconscionable. I am so angry.

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    • Archie says:

      57% of the forest is owned by the US in CA. The US owned the forest that burned Paradise I believe. Brown had nothing to do with that.

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    • Ronnie says:

      I viewed many of those photos of Newsom and Brown; my read is it wasn’t shame. It seemed they were avoiding eye contact with the President and distancing themselves because they didn’t want to appear to be in alignment with him or anything he said. After all, they have to return to face their progressive elitist allies on the coast.
      Their policies contributed to this tragedy. Until something like this happens to members of their own families, and directly affects them, they don’t care.
      If they had any decency, they should remain up in the Paradise area, roll up their sleeves and work dawn to dusk until each of displaced persons living in tents and shelters are given a place to live, somewhere. It’ll never replaced what they’ve lost, but it would be a start.

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      • annieoakley says:

        Gavin newsome will be worse than Jerry Brown. Newsome thinks everything is a movie set IMO.

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        • Janie M. says:

          annie, in the videos of President Trump, Brown and Newsome… I noticed Newsome stands off in the periphery and looks as if he can’t get away fast enough. He doesn’t care.

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          • Sayit2016 says:

            Newsom is very optic oriented…. he tends to be very protective of how he is seen, ( except apparently when he’s having an affair with his wife’s best friend but I digress) he is a new governor coming in( may God in Heaven Help Us all) ultimately this is going to be on his shoulders is Brown is leaving and will wipe his hands of this mess. The lawsuits will be flying for decades. And once again we the taxpayers will have to pay for their deliberate malfeasance.

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      • TheLastDemocrat says:

        Ronnie: yep.

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      • Carrie2 says:

        Ronnie, and get their hands dirty? Continue dreaming but it ain’t gonna happen. They are the cause and none of the solution, as usual.

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      • Kenji says:

        My read is that Jerry and Gavin are uncomfortable with the people of Paradise. Just as MY President said the people of Paradise are “my people”. Jerry and Gavin KNOW they are NOT their people.

        Jerry and Gavin’s people live in mega-mansions in Malibu. And they’ll rebuild even larger mega-mansions when their super insurance policies with multiple umbrella coverages pays off $$$$ Big time! The elites of Malibu are going to actually PROFIT from the fires. While my people of Paradise scratch, scrape, and claw for an equitable settlement.

        Say Jerry/Gavin !? How’s your high speed expansion to Honduras coming along?

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      • cmcallm says:

        Good read! Late to the meeting, no eye contact, no engagement, no real acknowledgement! Distancing and shameful. Didn’t really want to be there. It wasn’t there show! Both looked about three inches tall! Pathetic!

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    • Daniel.M. Camac says:

      Sundance, forgive me for posting this here but I think most Treepers will know this comes under America First and therefore I proceed.
      Sayit2016, I am so sorry for the ineptitude of these CA politicians and environmentalists. They are the ones who should pay for all this death and destruction. They are the ones who preach their bullshit policies of environmentalism and now who reaps it? Every single family who lost someone should sue the living shit out of Brown and anyone else who enabled this disaster to happen in the first place. I love the environment but these assholes have used it to provide fuel for their ANTIAMERICAN POLICIES. It’s time to take back California, Oregon and Washington , New York, Mass, Conn, etc. IT’s time to take OUR country back to the rule of law and to follow the Constitution! Who out there hears me? WE NEED TO BE THE ONES WHO HELP OUR PRESIDENT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. DOES THIS RING A BELL TO YOU?

      John F. Kennedy’s Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961

      We observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom — symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning — signifying renewal, as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago.

      The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe — the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

      We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans — born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage — and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

      Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

      This much we pledge — and more.

      To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do — for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.

      To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom — and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.

      To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required — not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

      To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge — to convert our good words into good deeds — in a new alliance for progress — to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty. But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers. Let all our neighbours know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this Hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house.

      To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope in an age where the instruments of war have far outpaced the instruments of peace, we renew our pledge of support — to prevent it from becoming merely a forum for invective — to strengthen its shield of the new and the weak — and to enlarge the area in which its writ may run.

      Finally, to those nations who would make themselves our adversary, we offer not a pledge but a request: that both sides begin anew the quest for peace, before the dark powers of destruction unleashed by science engulf all humanity in planned or accidental self-destruction.

      We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed.

      But neither can two great and powerful groups of nations take comfort from our present course — both sides overburdened by the cost of modern weapons, both rightly alarmed by the steady spread of the deadly atom, yet both racing to alter that uncertain balance of terror that stays the hand of mankind’s final war.

      So let us begin anew — remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.

      Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belabouring those problems which divide us.

      Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms — and bring the absolute power to destroy other nations under the absolute control of all nations.

      Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce.

      Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah — to “undo the heavy burdens -. and to let the oppressed go free.”

      And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavour, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved.

      All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.

      In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than in mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe.

      Now the trumpet summons us again — not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are — but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, “rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation” — a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.

      Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?

      In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility — I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavour will light our country and all who serve it — and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.

      And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.

      My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

      Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God’s work must truly be our own.

      ADDEDUM- I was 6 years old when President Kennedy was murdered and my parents were Republicans but we still admired the man for what he stood for. I pray to God that those among us who still remember that he was killed because he wanted to expose the evil ones (CIA , ect ) will rise up and take the torch of freedom and carry it onward.

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      • zooamerica says:

        “To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope in an age where the instruments of war have far outpaced the instruments of peace, we renew our pledge of support — to prevent it from becoming merely a forum for invective — to strengthen its shield of the new and the weak — and to enlarge the area in which its writ may run.”

        THAT may be the reason why Kennedy was assassinated. .

        Nobody will ever know.

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      • felipe says:

        Who penned this. Schlesinger?

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      • olderwiser21 says:

        Daniel, thanks for posting this speech. I highly doubt the dimms would allow Kennedy to give this speech today. Highly doubt.

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      • Carrie2 says:

        Daniel, you have again underlined what many of us in this state thinking about and knowing these democrat creeps caused this whole situation and take no credit for being lousy legislature. I still believe we have more than enough republican votes, but with illegals allowed to vote, no chance. This state has become a dictatorship and many people and businesses have left, and I can hardly wait to do likewise.

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      • Smurfette says:

        The CIA thrived on a country’s hardships and promoted unrest to make money. JFK found out about the torture and mind control experimentations on citizens since the 1950s and said he was gling to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces. MKUltra was NOT just lsd experiments. There is more and more proof fiund every day.

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    • Carrie2 says:

      SayIt2016, you are not alone as many of us are angry because we send 6 billion in our money to the state to care for the forests, and like any money to the democrats, it “disappears” and nothing done. Brown and his environmentalists stopped lumber companies cutting down tress for furniture and wood burning. Yes, they took the water from farmers for smelts and it didn’t work, so he lets the water go into the ocean. No one really wants his fast railway which started at 6 billion and now closer to 70 billion and not completed, and many towns do not even want it to go through their town. They didn’t hold their heads high when Trump was talking to them because Newsom will be worse than Brown. Many of those I know are calling Brown and his friend murderers for the deaths caused by this fire. I have mentioned before when I came here n 1960, never had fires because forests were allowed to be weeded, dead wood and dead trees removed, and then again they would not allow trees very close to PG&E wires didn’t help. They said “let Mother Nature take care of our forests”. Well that did not work and now so many dead and so very many, many still not accounted for and with rain to come Wed., how will they ever be discovered. I was raised in a devout democrat family who wised up in the early 60’s and became republicans. Democrats are money and power hunger, don’t care for any of their voters and even less for our Republic but are definitely leftists (communists) and now think they have power in the House. Well, I see trouble brewing with the younger members fighting the older ones, or in other words they are eating each other and I think Trump knew this and definitely wanted the Senate to rule. I pray daily that God save our country and protect our president and his family. I also pray that ALL dox be opened to WE, the People who are the REAL Government. So many traitors!

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      • They said “let Mother Nature take care of our forests”. Well Mother Nature is taking care of our forests. With our help we could have mitigated the damage but Mother Nature is unforgiving.

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        • Black Irish Rose says:

          I can’t remember who said it, but it is a good reminder: “Mother Nature wants us dead.” When you think about it, it’s true: the forces of nature (hurricane, tsunami, tornado, blizzard, etc.) are strong and unforgiving, not giving a darn about race, creed, etc. And this doesn’t take into account the epidemics dear “Mother” Nature harbors and unleashes on mankind from time to time…..

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  5. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    The latest from Juan Browne

    Camp’ Fire UPDATE Nov. 17 2018

    Mr. Browne has 49K subscribers to his Youtube channel, amassed because of his outstanding coverage of the Oroville Dam situation.

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  6. zooamerica says:

    No doubt that the great people of California will rebuild stronger and better than ever.

    They will turn lemons into lemonade….that’s what the good people of CA naturally do.

    I just hope to God that the insurance companies don’t say this was some kind of “Act of God,” that does not cover all of the home and business owners for their losses.

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    • rf121 says:

      lemons into lemonade.

      Really. They turned San Francisco into a foul smelling shit hole. I have been to sewage treatment plants that smelled better.

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      • zooamerica says:

        San Fran is a sewer system in and of itself.

        Poop patrol people get paid a lot of money via the taxpayers!

        Another crappy government job created from human waste.

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        • Kenji says:

          So I recently had my BMW serviced at Weatherford BMW off Ashby in Berkeley near HWY880. (Yeah, yeah … that’s a pile of ammo I just stacked up for the flamers to use on me). I haven’t been to the dealership in quite a few years as I actually do most of the maintenance work on my BMW myself (he says, restoring a little man-cred). Well, as I exit 880 onto Ashby and drive under the bridge supporting railroad tracks … what do I see? … A massive homeless encampment. For a moment, I thought I had exited into Tijuana!? WTH!? Tin shack lean-to’s, plywood, trash, dirty people milling around. WTF!?

          Behold the State of the State Jerry has left us. And this during the BOOMingness BOOM time EVER in the SF Bay Area. WTF Jerry!? How DARE you pontificate about gas taxes, carbon taxes, solar panels and, global warming while you’ve turned our State into Sanctuary-Tijuana. Sanctuary-Managua. Your long, diseased legacy against this State will live in infamy. Words cannot describe my vitriol toward you.

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    • Sharon says:

      How they will rebuild will be determined by who the decision-makers and money-spenders are. My DH and I lived in CA for 28 years and experienced firsthand that often “the great people of California” have very little or nothing to say about policies that affect everyone.

      As Victor Davis Hanson has pointed out, the elites and the leftists who drive policy-making seldom, if ever, experience the consequences of their folly. There are few “teachable moments” in their lives. (And I hate that phrase actually – it can go in the same phrase-pile as “safe place”, as far as I’m concerned) But it still applies here – leftists avoid teachable moments like the plague.

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      • rf121 says:

        Sort of like when they were rationing water for everyone. The rich just brought in tanker trucks and had water delivered to them. Let them eat cake.

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        • annieoakley says:

          Hollywood elite did pay to have their own firefighters come in and protect their homes. Paradise didn’t even get a warning to evacuate because they are not as important as Hollywood.

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          • rf121 says:

            Also, some insurance companies pay for private fire departments to assist at risk homes from burning down. Cheaper than paying for the re-build.

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  7. kayofmt says:

    I have not researched this, but someone just told me that Gov Brown passed something to allow PGE to attach a portion of their cost of repair to all their customers.

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  8. zephyrbreeze says:

    Here’s one article from September:

    “With an eye toward destructive wildfire as California’s most immediate climate emergency, Gov. Jerry Brown took action on Friday to broadly expand state prevention efforts while allowing utility companies to shift some fire-related costs to their customers.

    The far-reaching proposal signed by Brown boosts government fire protection efforts by $1 billion over the next five years, providing funds that could help clear thousands of acres of dense, dry forests and brittle coastal brush. The bill’s combination of cash and regulatory relief mark a major escalation in addressing what’s been called the “new normal” of fire danger for the state, far beyond what’s been spent on immediate emergency responses.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/19/pge-power-bills-set-to-rise-after-gov-brown-signs-diablo-canyon-bill/

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  9. Kenji says:

    In the words of PDJT … the people of Paradise … are “my people”. Indeed they are. Just as you are MY President. I will continue to give whatever I can to the deplorables of Paradise. My deplorables. Decidedly NOT Jerry’s or Gavin’s people.

    When I was a 5yo Kindergartner at the brand new Citrus Heights (Sacramento) Skycrest Elementary school in 1960 (yep, “Skycrest” … because we all sat in our pajamas at 5:30am and watched Mercury rockets launched in 1960). And I should add that Citrus Heights was on the edge of the wilderness with nothing but fields of poppys, creeks full of pollywogs, and majestic oaks between us and Auburn. Fields and creeks I roamed with no parental supervision or helicoptering Time I spent learning about “the environment” without having to “visit it” in a museum guided by a docent who lectures about the evils of capitalism and global warming.

    It was that year when my father drove us to Mt. Lassen to learn MORE about the REAL environment. About volcanic activity. On that trip, we visited Paradise where my father dreamed of retiring because of its beauty … and remoteness (in 1960). I’ve never forgotten that trip, or the visit to Paradise and although my father never made it to his retirement dream … I’ve considered Paradise for mine. No more. Now, I weep for MY PEOPLE in Paradise. And I weep for what “The Environmentalists” have done to the CA environment.

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  10. Kent says:

    …you go a big ol’ goofy heart, sundance…..not meant as an offense….

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  11. TheLastDemocrat says:

    Victims of Parkland.
    Victims of Paradise fire.

    Treated equally in the media?

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  12. Sepp says:

    Downloaded the list of missing and started praying for each person by name.

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  13. Donna in Oregon says:

    Paradise represents the genocide of rural people all across America.

    Better wake up folks, you’ve been targeted. Just Progressives haven’t admitted it yet doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

    You’d think folks would be more circumspect acknowledging all these “coincidences”. People waiting for the Propaganda news to announce it? Come on….it’s so obvious.

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  14. Jeff C says:

    Our hearts go out to the people of Paradise, our fellow Californians in their time of need. Our prayers are with the families of the lost and missing.

    I hope after people have had some time to come to grips with this terrible tragedy, they will abandon any idea of rebuilding the town. I hear brave souls speaking of coming back stronger than ever and I understand the sentiment, but it is a terrible idea. The location is no place for a city, that is plainly obvious. Allowing or encouraging Paradise to rebuild would border on criminal. Ten thousand homes were destroyed, an almost unimaginable number. From reviewing aerial photos something like 80% of all structures in the city were leveled. Think about that, once the firestorm started it was unstoppable. Couple that with the inaccessibility of Paradise, and a population of elderly folks many of which have limited mobility. In hindsight it’s hard not to see it was a deathtrap waiting to happen.

    Compare that to the fires in Southern California which burn right up to the edges of developments but are then stopped. The number of homes burned is usually limited to a few dozen or so, those abutting the chaparral or the unlucky home here or there that catches fire from flying embers. Fires rarely spread from home to home anymore. Southern California used to have hundreds of homes burn at a time (such as the terrible Bel Air Fire of 1961) but that has all but stopped with the banning of wood shingle roofs, strict building codes, and mandatory brush setback zones. From reviewing the pre-fire google earth photos of Paradise I didn’t see a single shingle roof yet the whole city still burned to the ground. The fire was so hot it didn’t make any difference.

    Perhaps a monument to the deceased and a park but no new city. It would be insane to build there again.

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  15. The Devilbat says:

    Here is an article about this and recent fires in California that I find rather disturbing. I laughed at the title but then I watched the first included video that clearly shows that something is not right with what we are being told. I am not a conspiracy theorist but that video got me thinking. We have some retired firefighters on the treehouse who may be able to explain it. I truly hope so.

    https://freedomoutpost.com/directed-energy-weapon-this-seems-far-more-plausible-for-california-wildfires-than-the-official-narrative/

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  16. Texian says:

    I’m gettin’ tired of “recovery” hashtags.. They kill us and all we do is “recover” from the blow while they plan their next attack to beat the sht out of us.. The time for talk is past.. They won’t listen..

    Stop taking the beatings.. It’s time for conservatives to pick up the frying pan..

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  17. Dilemma says:

    My mom lived in Paradise. Her house burned down. On the bright side, her and her pets evacuated in time. We are grateful for that this Thanksgiving.

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  18. kea says:

    You know seeing the ‘celebrities’ of hollywood scream about their homes one second and yelling at Trump about everything from the wall to climate change to georgia.

    You know not once do I see this ‘people’ mention anyone in CA who lost a life or their home. Its all about the anger at Trump, at us. And the demands that we take care of the poor illegals. What hate filled people.

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  19. dogsmaw says:

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  20. Sepp says:

    The list of the Missing might become shorter over time by the elimination of what appears to be duplicated names due to spellings that vary depending on who reported a person as missing.

    So many names that are obviously husband/wife couples. So many little elderly people. A handful of whole families. Some names might be from a nursing facility because the ages are very advanced. One lady is 101. A child of 8 is listed. There are other children, too.

    Lord have mercy that they be found in safety.

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  21. SPMI says:

    These horrific California fires are not campfires.
    They are arson related.
    Hellooooo. Full inspection necessary to find the perps.

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  22. I wish REAL aid organizations had a way of coordinating the nation to help these people. Think of what we could do? Not just give them money, but bring them in to our homes, shelter them, help them start a new life. Instead, they want them kept like cattle in camps. It doesn’t have to be this way. I would much rather help displaced Americans. South American invaders? Not so much.

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  23. Lactantius says:

    The facts of whether a clean forest is safer than an unmanaged forest is relatively easy to work out. Algorithms will reveal the incidence of fires in the general Paradise area. Other algorithms will compare world wide numbers in reduction of fires when forest management is in place.

    I live on the edge of an established oak-hickory forest which is not managed. We are very cautious about fire potential. Fortunately, oak-hickory forests have a much lower incidence of wild forest burns than do pine laden forests. Certainly insurance actuarial numbers reflect forest fire risks.

    That said, the politics of forest management is whacky. The people of Paradise were in peril of what happened to them. If Paradise is to rebuild, it would seem that some careful thinking needs to go into how to evacuate under future similar circumstances. A secure and safe community is the primary function of limited government. You can’t keep individuals from making poor choices, but there is no excuse for whole towns to be exposed to conditions of calamity without a feasible plan for extreme emergencies.

    Meanwhile, I am totally surprised that loving, socialist empire of California has not taken these honest-to-God victims under their caring and loving wings of social justice and emotional posturing. Actually, I am not totally surprised. Progressives are a bunch of phonies and self-centered knuckleheads who love to piety dance and then run for the hills when they are forced to meet tough challenges.

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  24. phattcat says:

    Paradise California Camp Fire Cat Rescue

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