Update: Broward County Florida School Shooting – Multiple Victims – Marjory Stoneman Douglas High…

Broward County Florida Sheriff’s Office confirmed they have a suspect in custody in connection to a school shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High in Parkland, a suburb of Fort Lauderdale, that may have injured as many as 20 to 40 people.  Broward County public schools twitter feed here. Broward Sheriff twitter feed here.

The shooter was described as wearing a black hat, a maroon or burgundy colored shirt and black pants.  Gateway Pundit is identifying the shooter as “Nicholas de Jesus Cruz”, possibly a former student, 5′-8″. Miami Herald reports:

  According to law enforcement sources, the shooter, former student Nicolas de Jesus Cruz, is in custody. Helicopter footage shortly before 4 showed police frisking a handcuffed young man outside a squad car. Dressed in a maroon shirt and dark trousers, he was placed in the squad car as TV choppers filmed the scene. He gave no visible sign of being injured, but authorities have said Cruz was transported to Broward Health North.

A teacher at the school told the Miami Herald that Cruz, 19, had been identified as a potential threat to fellow students in the past.

“We were told last year that he wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack on him,” said math teacher Jim Gard, who said the former student suspected in the shootings had been in his class last year. “There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus.” (more)

Police have notified area hospitals they will receive patients as a result of the shooting. The conditions of the victims were not clear, though Sen. Bill Nelson told FOX News there were “many deaths” at the school.

Parkland is a Fort Lauderdale suburb of 30,000 people just east of the Everglades. The National Council on Home Safety and Security recently placed the city on its list of the 10 safest cities in Florida.  President Donald Trump tweeted his condolences to the victims this afternoon.

 

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1,089 Responses to Update: Broward County Florida School Shooting – Multiple Victims – Marjory Stoneman Douglas High…

  1. Binkser1 says:

    As the father of a 13-year old girl, I cannot imagine the pain and grief in the hearts of those parents who lost a child. My heart grieves for them. I pray to God that He will provide comfort and peace that goes beyond understanding to these people who are suffering so.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      They are having the worst days of their lives right now. I cannot even imagine.

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      • corimari2013 says:

        I am listening to Florida AG speak in a press conference right now–she talks about students in the school who survived, but lost a sibling yesterday.
        Yes, it is hard to imagine the devastation, the heartache the families who lost yesterday.
        Pray for these families.

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    • Fe says:

      I have a 13 year old granddaughter who is attending public school for the first time in her life. She was homeschooled through the Obama years. I cannot imagine the grief these people are going through. My heart is truly heavy and hurting for them all.

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    • Rob Byrde says:

      you should home school, it may be safer

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    • farmhand1927 says:

      President Trump will address the nation 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time.

      The Dept. of Education needs to switch priorities from funding to make sure students confused abt their identities have all the facilities and resources they desire. When a student is expelled, they should not be allowed to return to school one year later.

      We need to follow the Israeli model. Certain sschool staff members are well trained and capable to meet a potential shooter at the door with deadly force.

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      • corimari2013 says:

        Yes, farmhand1927–we need to follow the Israeli model.
        Here is an interview I heard this morning:
        “All these tragedies end the same way: when the police arrive and threaten to shoot back or shoot back. Threatening to shoot back or shooting back should happen sooner rather than later.”
        Judge Napolitano Wants America To Copy Israel And Train Teachers How To Use Firearms
        http://video.foxnews.com/v/5734387196001/?playlist_id=930909787001#sp=show-clips

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        • georgiafl says:

          I don’t trust leftist teachers with firearms.

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          • MouseChop says:

            Thank you for saying that, georgiafl. One only has to think for a second about trusting a leftist with a firearm-It is forbidden, maybe even taboo.
            My nephew went to Wheaton on a scholarship. He started as Sophmore, graduated with honors and a full-blown brainwashing. Total hive mentality. Firearms and our second amendment are one of many topics that will not be discussed in a rational manner. Many of his uncles, like myself, will not engage in any conversation with him because there is only one way it can be viewed. Very sad.

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  2. Leigh says:

    Kind of Random, has anyone else read “Run, Baby, Run”? It’s about Nicky Cruz a gang member who found God. Great book.

    The name just brought it to mind.

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  3. kinthenorthwest says:

    Hmm was he and ANIFAer??

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  4. Jason says:

    sorry if this or similar has already been posted in the comments. Student confirms there was an earlier fire alarm (drill?) and then second alarm where the students began evacuating school and then shooter opened fire. Also heartbreaking to hear about her teacher being shot while trying to lock the door so the shooter couldn’t get into the classroom where they were hiding.

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  5. Leigh says:

    I can’t even with the conspiracy theories already.

    My mother was killed in a car wreck. One minute everything is normal in life then suddenly your world is completely different. It took months for me to remember I couldn’t call Mom. It would hit me all over again. And break my heart…every . damn . time.

    People are experiencing this tonight. People are being told their child will never come home from school. That they are just gone. No goodbyes or last I love yous. Their hearts are being ripped out while people are posting nonsense on message boards.

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    • g.w says:

      What you say is tragically true. And no soft words or best of intentions can assuage the terrible pain for the mothers, fathers sisters, brothers, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents and friends. The echoes of a lost life taken in a flash just will not accept mere words,no matter how well meaning. There is no human language to convey so deep a pain and sorrow.

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    • nigella says:

      Yes. This is often forgotten in tragedies like this… It’s disgusting that some would try to score political points on the backs of the dead…

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    • Margaret says:

      I understand what you are going through and you have my sympathies. Just before Christmas, two months ago, our 22yr. old grandson took his own life. It is something I will never understand or get over.

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  6. kinthenorthwest says:

    With Vegas mess still a screwed up mess & now this I do believe that there are powers from the Left doing things that are not good for America or Americans.
    Not sure he is Anitfa, but looking that way.
    And now some are saying the Florida shooter is Democrat…

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  7. Brant says:

    About 12 years ago, a HS friend I had not seen in about 25 years was driving in an Atlanta neighborhood after a big rain, after weeks of drought. He was driving a range rover. His wife, 3 year old son, and 11 month old son were in the back seat. They were stopped in traffic. A 100 year old oak tree fell and centered the back seat. Such that the engine was still running and he crawled out of the sun roof. The wipers were still on. A fire station was less than 100 feet away. He crawled out and as he stated as he sat on the curb, the fireman rushed over to start pulling back limbs and then they all pulled back in terror. He lost his entire family in seconds. You can google the key words. I visited him one day a week for months. I learned that if you are visiting and you are listening 90% of the time and talking 10% of the time, you are talking about 8% too much. He has come thru it. And has a new family. He had a piece of “equipment” in the closet to end it and said every day he could make a choice and that was his “control”. About the same time, I had a great uncle who turned 100. All during that situation, I struggled to understand how my uncle lived 100 years longer than his son. My uncle died after his 11 month old son. My uncle’s birth and death bracketed his son’s life. I leaned a lot in those months.

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  8. Rondo says:

    Ben Shapiro on gun control from 2017. Informative

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    • czarowniczy says:

      After the spate of last-minute Mardi Gras shootings we’re already seeing the gun control folks connecting the Florida school Guuuunnnnnn Vioooolennnnnnce with our local shootings. Why if the government just bans guns then the thugs, Mex cartel DACA folks, Moslem terrs fattening up on the SNAP program and other assorted trash will just give theirs up and be forced to carry out their depredations with Wiffle bats.

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      • Deb says:

        This is the difference between the left and the right.

        We believe in good and evil. Evil will be with us until the end, and so it’s up to the good to fight against it. We can’t win if we are disarmed.

        The left truly believe that if we are all just super nice and politically correct, all the bad guys will start being nice to us. They just need more control to make sure everyone does that.

        And they gladly volunteer all of us to become human sacrifices in the pursuit of their utopian dream. See the Angel Moms for what this looks like.

        We all need to stand up and say enough is enough! We will have good guys with gun to stop the bad guys with guns. Students will act appropriately or face harsh punishment. Parents will be expected to raise children who value human life and fear breaking the law. Families will be expected to step in and care for each other, and keep their mentally ill relations from hurting others.

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      • Esperanza says:

        I’ll say this again, the “youth” in the Paris region have rocket launchers. Should we ban minors from having rocket launchers?

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        • czarowniczy says:

          All of these illegal weapons come from somewhere, some come from the US but many come from our good buds the Russians and Chinese. US press and the US in general forget that during the Clinton error we intercepted a number of arms shipments bound from China to the US including two very large ones composed of fully automatic M-16s and M-2 carbines from the VN war and another with fully-auto Chinese brand new AKs . They were bound for US markets on ships owned by members of the Chinese government.

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  9. Rynn69 says:

    It is tragic, but all too common. I think the steps we should take as a society are:

    1. Value the family. This must come from the parents, community, church, schools, and other key influences in a person’s life.
    2. Value authority. Too much disrespect nowadays without any repercussions (one could look to many of the same key influences in #1 above).
    3. Stop bullying people with opposing views and be a kinder society. Realize people are stronger united, not divided. Also realize everyone has a right to their opinion. Everyone. We live in a Republic. People are different. People have different views and opinions. It is nobody’s right to force opinions on others. We are a free society. No, MSM, it is not the groups you consistently identify day in and day out as “victims” . How about people you bully every day – those who have opposing views from yours. Stop the hypocrisy, start the unity. Stop sewing seeds of hatred.
    4. Stop condoning violence as an acceptable means to an end. Has anyone heard of Antifa? How about celebrities threatening violence and assassination of political figures? Anyone, anyone?
    5. STOP IDENTIFYING “GUN FREE ZONES”. This is absolute and complete idiocy.
    6. Ensure there are consequences to wrongdoing.
    7. Secure the school. I know this seems a no-brainer, but it seems to me there should be limited areas of entrance while school is “in session” so-to-speak. Just as is done at Federal buildings. Nothing is 100%, but it would only make sense to do this as you would your home to prevent burglaries by installing alarms.

    I would be interested in hearing other ideas!

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    • Searkreb says:

      Add in removing psychotropic drugs somewhere in the equation

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      • Rynn69 says:

        Yes! Excellent point.

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      • Bakokitty says:

        Hold the prescribing physician responsible for the patient he medicates, with them potent mind and brain altering drugs. Thrush is it is sometimes just easierand cheaper to medicate and not have to take so much time using a hospitalization.

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      • Neural says:

        Oh yes, definitely. So easy for you to say when you are so perfect and healthy. Why not just open up and admit here publicly that you think people with mental disorders should be killed for the “good of society”.

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        • Cuppa Covfefe says:

          Where did you find that? No one said that…

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        • Esperanza says:

          The stance here is that people with with mental health problems need to be better looked after. Not left to sink taking others down with them.

          Not exactly good for Cruz being a multi murderer. He’ll now spend the rest of his life in a psychiatric prison. Had he been looked after he would have spent his life in a normal psychiatric institution

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          • Blacksmith8 says:

            Sorry , but no we can’t do that either. Psychiatric institutions have gone with the dodo bird. Besides if you put someone in there you are ‘labelling’ them and we can’t have that.

            So wack jobs like cruz must be out here on the street with the rest of us.

            btw: after I retire, I think I’ll spend my days hanging around playgrounds and schools. no charge mind you. I just want to have a chance at preventing another wack job getting life in prison while friends get to go to 17 funerals.

            Not to worry, I’m not going to start hunting. It’s not entrapment if I don’t invite the wack job over.

            I know it’s old testament, but it is how I feel and you can’t judge me in today’s society.

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          • Neural says:

            If the comments on this site are any indication, the clearest part there is that “taken care of” means stripped of all rights, including access to medication that can give them some form of life, carted away and stuffed in a box where “society” doesn’t have to see or deal with them.

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        • Bakokitty says:

          We all only wish we are perfectly healthy, we are not. I think you misinterpreted what I meant. Psychotropic drugs are helpful for many people but can be a double edged sword.
          For many people, these drugs are life savers.
          No I don’t think we should harm anyone who have mental disorders, on the contrary we should help them more. Throwing pills at a problem without constant following care is not a good practice.
          It really hurts to see many people untreated, homeless, or even ostrichzied due to there disorders or mental illness.
          We as a country seem to think it ( we can thank/// the ACLU for ‘this) was a good idea for people are unable to function well or take care of themselves in society to be left to fend for themselves on the street. Or , it is ok to shut down or close up former mental health hospitals. This puts them in harms way of those who will prey upon them.
          FWIW, I worked in a VA psychiatric hospital, the men there were so debilitated that they’d were better off, they were cared for,protected from being preyed upon by thugs on the streets. I worked in a men’s locked ward, these men were treated with respect, caring and concern. To throw them out on the streets was cruel.

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    • JohnP says:

      Violent anti-social behavior used to lead to institutionalization, now it’s characterized as a “sickness” that society is expected to accept.

      Postings under the name Nikolas Cruz included threatening comments under videos on YouTube and other sites, including “I whana shoot people with my AR-15” (sic), “I wanna die Fighting killing s**t ton of people” and “I am going to kill law enforcement one day they go after the good people.”

      What did kids who knew him say –
      “Honestly, all people were saying that it was gonna be him,” the schoolboy, who was not named, said.

      “Kids were making jokes saying that ‘he will be the one to shoot up the school’.

      “But it turns out… everyone predicted it. That’s crazy.”

      Nikolas Cruz should have been in a hospital, not out buying guns. As for a motive, how does bat-s**t crazy sound?

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    • Lindenlee says:

      The most insidious element that undergirds everything, and influences general thinking, is that government has the answer to anything that happens, and from the highest and least accountable level, the feds. This creates a knee-jerk reaction to every event, which “get the government to do something”.

      Closely related is “This is bad, so tax it. Punish the rich by taxing. Make people comply by taxing”. Since when has raising taxes EVER given us a solution to a problem?

      These attitudes are ingrained daily by schools, news, media, everything. Since when did we have the inability to live productive, upright, decent lives if we didn’t look to government? Good God….

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  10. Theo West says:

    And on Valentines Day. Will never be the same for those poor parents, I cannot even imagine how they will get through future Valentine’s Days after this. My brother died on an ordinary day in 1999 and my mother still grieves when that day comes around. 😦

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  11. Pam says:

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    • hoop says:

      This is right on the mark.

      Israel goes ‘after the person’ – it is VERY EFFECTIVE. The Nation is in the heart of Terrorism Country yet almost no airliners are successfully attacked…. their methods begin with MOTIVATION – and they go after those leads…. that is what we should be doing.

      Find the aggressors before they actually make their move.

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  12. yakmaster2 says:

    I wonder if Ash Wednesday or Valentine’s Day held a special significance for the shooter. I’m also wondering if he and his brother (both adopted and both reported as emotionally troubled kids) got counseling/therapy during their childhood? The signs of potential violence or snapping seems to be visible in these young school shooters, but is ignored by fellow students, parents, and teachers. I’m not pointing fingers, but something is very wrong when this keeps happening. Don’t you think?

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    • Esperanza says:

      This is something people don’t talk about. Many adopted children post abortion are very damaged. Had friends adopt two. They had to remove the elder one. She was physically endangering the whole family, but especially the little brother.

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      • Kaco says:

        That’s very sad, but this person was adopted the day he was born. What we don’t know is if the mother did anything during pregnancy. I know some people that have adopted children but the one who has had problems was a crack baby.

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        • Esperanza says:

          I was of course incredibly moved by Hope’s story, but I hope te other children don’t have to pay for it.

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        • Deb says:

          The shooter looks like he has fetal alchohol syndrome to me. Severe cases cause a total lack of empathy, no understanding of consequences for actions. They literally have no impulse control. It is very hard to deal with, they need constant structure and correction. They need a very controlled environment.

          His adoptive parents passed away and he had no support system beyond them, is what I would assume. So sad.

          We need more programs for people like this. People who are not damaged enough to be institutionalized, but not healthy enough to be left to their own devices. Think a Boys and Girls club but for at risk adults.

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          • Bakokitty says:

            I agree regarding his appearance, it would be interesting to see a picture of his brother for a comparison.
            Way back in 1992 I started my new career and I was on my new job doing some additional training to work in our hospitals NICU. We had 10 babies on vents or under guarded care in our incubators. These babies were extremely fragile, but Inwas schocked by the fact that 9 out 10 of those babies were victims of their mothers drug abuse of drugs and alcohol. These babies even then had to go through withdrawals, and the evidence of harm from their pre-birth addiction to their brains was appearent. They would be affect by this terrible start in life for the rest of their lives.
            I couldn’t wrap it around my mind that a pregnant mother would do this to their unborn baby.

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    • Bakokitty says:

      This very thought haunted me all, where were the adults that should have cared, and loved that boy ?

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  13. Thomas Wictor uses his gift of storytelling to point out the common thread in these tragedies…
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/963909479325622272.html

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    • Kaco says:

      Here is an article with descriptions from family and neighbors.

      http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-school-shooting-cruz-20180214-story.html

      I don’t like this blame the parents mentality, it doesn’t sound like that is the case. Sometimes one can’t predict these things. She didn’t sound like an absentee mother either. He was 19, no one is going to babysit a 19 year old man. The family he lived with after his mother died says he had his quirks but they didn’t see it coming either.

      Do you remember the days of “go out and play and come home when the street lights come on”? I think part of the problem of our children’s fragile state of mind is the constant helicoptering of kids and stunting their development into adults.

      However, one family member said he was autistic.

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      • I hear you Kaco. And yet something was missing in this young man’s life.

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        • Kaco says:

          Well, his mother died last November, the family said he was kind of depressed about that, who wouldn’t be? We don’t know the birth mother’s pregnancy history, and if she did anything to damage him to begin with.

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          • The stories of his being seen as dangerous go back before that. And yes, early damage possible. Most of us have damaging early history though. Seems like most of our lives are remedial in nature.

            That is why I say something was missing. The kind of something that helps us stabilize after losses and upsets. If you don’t have a path home from the bad things in life, you can get lost in thought patterns that lead to great evils.

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            • Kaco says:

              But I don’t think she was a bad mom according to what I read. He apparently had issues to begin with and have behavioral problems, whether it’s because of autism, or ADHD, or other diagnosis. Hopefully more info comes out rather than, where’s the parents?

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              • Not saying blame the parents here, just saying this young man needed something that was missing. Parents are not always the one to give a child that missing something. But they often are the most motivated to find the help their child needs.

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          • KBR says:

            What medications might he have been given to cope with grief after last November?
            Side effects of antidepressants for certain persons can be really drastic.

            For instance, if he was (undiagnosed) bipolar to manic-depressive, anti-depressant meds could make him manic and delusional.

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            • Juniper55 says:

              The distinctions between autism and schizophrenia are very fine. I think he had undiagnosed schizophrenia that was mistaken for autism. If the autism diagnosis was made by school psychologists rather than an independent medical diagnosis, then I’d double my money on that bet.

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      • Esperanza says:

        They didn’t know he had been expelled for threatening behavior? Really? The other kids didn’t know he was problematic?

        Back in the day, a friend of my mother’s adopted her husband’s Downs child. They lived in a big Park. I was about 14/5. I was told go and play with him. I didn’t want to be alone with him. I could feel his raging hormones and how because he was “so adorable” nothing was being done to channel them. Well a year later he sexually assaulted a teen. Well duh. I don’t blame the kid, I blame the parents. He’s was a physical man. He needed supervision and help.

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      • Blacksmith8 says:

        In the midst of tragedy a smiling light shines:
        “go out and play and come home when the street lights come on”?

        Wow it’s dusty in here.

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  14. Bakokitty says:

    Good evening Treepers. I watched ,listened, and even I tried to not give it my attention but it pricked at me like a thorny bush. It made me think too much I fear. Please forgive my long post of thoughts.
    17 people died again at the hands of a lone shooter today. Once more in a location filled with defenseless children and adults. Our insistence that schoosl remain without the safety factors that we have had in place since the the early nineties, in our hospitals ER’s, ICU, nursery wards. Even our police stations were locked to keep the public from coming further than the front desk.
    Our city halls, our government offices and most all buildings in New York after 9-11 are show ID or your business reasons or you don’t get access. Our banks, airports etc all have limited general access unless you are a customer. With proof of ID. There are armed guards at almost all these locations.
    We all know this and we call it the new normal. But we send our most precious beings, our future, our progeny, beloved children to the most vulnerable place to spend most of their time from K-grade 12. We still seem to think they are safe in a gun free zone we call school.
    Then we gnash our teeth, cry out to God, “Why? Why? Our hearts are broken.

    There is a saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. So who are the crazy ones, us or the person who takes advantage of our lax attention.
    Then we blame the tool that was used in the crime. If only we ban the tool, we say. Then we want to know why the person who did this horror, did it. He had easy access to the tool we say. The evil gun.
    But really was it the gun or was it our perverse society? Our drug culture, porn culture, our greed, selfishness, are we to blame.?
    Our hate for those who don’t agree with us. As parents are we spending more in other pursuits or interests or with people to impress than we spend being parents who teach our children how to be a good, responsible person?
    Maybe, maybe we were too busy to teach the kid, about responsibility, consequences, kindness to others. Have we emphasized that following the law is good for all. Or have we made excuses and tried to shield them from facing their rightful punishment if need be?

    Is it our lack love for our fellow man, were we willfully blind to his predicament in life? Did we really try to reach out, inquiring if he needed help, a smile, a hand up. Even the lowly hug can be a powerful weapon against the evil that batters a fragile soul.
    Yes lots of unanswered question, we ask them every time this terrible tragedy occurs.

    I would say in thinking about this on the day we call Valentines, where we give our heart or profess our love to someone, that the weapon wasn’t the gun, or even in a strange way the perpetrator.
    The weapon was us, our wearied, turning away from the invisible, lost and even angry hurting human who has been given up on. The mental illness we sometimes look away from.
    We tell the government, you take care of it. We are the government. We say you can’t look them up! When leaving them to suffer the harshness of the street is far worse.
    Lest you think I am anti gun, I’m not. I have many. A bleeding heart liberal nope, law and order conservative. Not a parent, oh I am, to two grown children, grandchildren. Both my kids work in places that are soft targets, gun free zones. I hate that.
    But I think today our declining society was the weapon, we were the gun, and like it or not we very well may have pulled the trigger.

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    • Kaco says:

      Well, our school district converted a few years ago and nobody can come through without being buzzed in via the office and you can’t go anywhere but the office. I can’t stand the lock down prison as opposed to my school days. But “part and parcel”, right?

      I agree, it is our declining society, look at all the snowflakes on campus that can’t handle “microaggressions” and “cultural appropriation” or the “patriarchy”. Our children are being poisoned, and the elites want them that way.

      We don’t know what caused this kid to snap in this manner, he had some things going on, his mother’s death, and he already had issues as he was expelled from school.

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      • Bakokitty says:

        I think he was adrift, without his parent to help him especially if he had any autism issues. Yeah part and parcel, I hate that that kids have this kind of world to grow up in.
        The snowflake syndrome would by cured by a daily recess game of dodgeball.

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        • NCPatrick says:

          I think you are totally right, Bakokitty. We realize that none of the usual law enforcement techniques could have stopped this or many of the other senseless attacks we have all endured. However, virtually every kid who knew Nikolas predicted he would do something terrible eventually. They all knew but I wonder how many of them ever mentioned what they knew to teachers, parents, older friends? And if told, did they do anything?

          That is the challenge right there. The kids won’t tell anyone who could actually do something. Either they are afraid of being called a snitch or a rat or they secretly admire the crazy kid with the guns or a host of other reasons. They chatter back and forth on their phones, but they feel powerless to do anything. The kids themselves have the answer to this problem if we’d ask them.

          Why do you think gangs recruit their members from young kids? The traditional family has been eliminated to such a large extent in our country so where does a lost and lonely kid go for directions before it’s too late. Most of these lost kids have no strong male influence in their lives, and there comes a time in a young boy’s life when his mother’s influence is not as important as his father’s. Right about the time the kid turns 12 or 13, he needs a male role model.

          I’d love to see a national movement of older people becoming a presence in our schools and neighborhoods: The grandparent or strong adult presence so many of our kids have never had. We could make a huge difference, not only in one kid’s life but also for our country. I’ve recently met some neighborhood kids I hired for small jobs by posting to our neighborhood watch group. So nice, so sweet, so happy to help me move some furniture. I could learn to love these kids.

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          • Bakokitty says:

            NCPatrick, your last two paragraphs are spot on. Yes the gangs become the family to those adrift young people. The most important fact is that a young boy especially in his teen needs the influence of a man. A boy learns how to be a man from the presence and example of a strong good man. This cannot be emphasized enough.

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  15. Troublemaker10 says:

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  16. Beverly says:

    The Leftists’ predictable demands to shred the Bill of Rights are like a man deciding to have a vasectomy because his NEIGHBOR is having too many children….

    Also, they’re power-mad control freaks with delusions of personal godhood.

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  17. Beverly says:

    Another thought: Have you ever noticed that these bastards ALWAYS attack in some affluent school — never in one in a tough neighborhood where some of the other boys are sure to be packing heat?

    Guy in Texas called in to Hannity today. Said in his rural country, they have a deal where teachers volunteer to concealed-carry in school. They get rigorous training and are armed from then on. They live where LEO response time is 20-30 minutes.

    Result? NO school shootings: the kids know that some of the teachers are armed (but they AREN’T told which ones), so they don’t dare try it.

    Problem Solved, and all our rights are intact.

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  18. Rob Byrde says:

    I am convinced—through my own thought, not that I heard or read anything—that the NSA shooting in the morning and the Florida school shooting are related, in that the afternoon shooting WAS incited! We all know from watching Q anon boards that the NSA attack was Deep State going after intelligence takedown, trying to remove evidence for the military trials going to take place. THEN, so the MSM (main stream media) would be busy on another story, I do believe the Deep State got their team of psychologists and psychiatrists online to tweak this school shooter’s mind and MAKE him do it! THEY put him over the edge. I believe this.

    Another reason there have been so many school shootings is to rise up the 2nd amendment again…trying to remove American’s right to bear arms. What better way than to pick a weak individual student somewhere and work on him….cause a huge killing in a school…and then ramp up the attack on the 2nd amendment.

    Americans…..if you watch on the Q anon boards…you would know THERE IS ONE HECK of a WAR going on inside of our country!!!!! It is HUGE! There are thousands of sealed indictment already…and the count is growing daily. Jeff Sessions IS WORKING hard.

    Climb onboard and rise up and protect your country…..by 1st getting informed. Go to YOUTube and watch the Q videos…people are trying to inform you of what is happening in REAL TIME. You will not hear ANYTHING on the MSM because they are PART of the DEEP STATE!

    Once you learn….REALLY VET as best you can…ALL the elections in your area. In Wisconsin there is a election on FEB 20th, 2018. This is for judges. If you do not know who to vote for, look online and READ….spend some time reading the news instead of facebooking! HELP your country. Don’t let the DEEP STATE take over YOUR ELECTIONS!

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  19. Troublemaker10 says:

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  20. tuskyou says:

    Brian Kilmeade just said he was “living in a trailer park with another kid” at the end of tv segment.

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  21. tuskyou says:


    Local interview with student. News guy claims another student thought there was a second shooter

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    • covfefe999 says:

      It hurts to watch the young guy at 1:22 talking about such a horrific incident. I cannot imagine dealing with something like that even at my age! How are these students going to be able to return to school? I hope the community, the churches, the school, someone is able to provide some good counseling and care.

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      • tuskyou says:

        I think yesterday Pam Bondi said counseling would be made available. I hope it’s long term not just a few sessions to let them vent.

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  23. Martin says:

    According to the Herald, the kid “loved guns, knives, and hunting.” That used to be called a sportsman.

    Now, we’re just “toxic males,” who need to be drugged.

    They damn well know “why.” Here we go again.

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  24. dodo says:

    The shooter was on meds. Meds are the problem, not guns

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  25. Charlotte says:

    The FBI Was Warned About A School Shooting Threat From A YouTube User Named Nikolas Cruz In September

    In September, a YouTube user named Nikolas Cruz left a comment on a video stating, “I’m going to be a professional school shooter.” The video’s creator alerted both the FBI and YouTube.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/the-fbi-was-warned-about-a-school-shooting-threat-from?utm_term=.crLXQ8PoK#.hd7yAKOWm

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    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      If that buzzfeed story is true – which is not a ‘given,’ then this is yet another mass shooter where the fbi knew the shooter, but ended up not protecting anyone.

      instead, at that time, they were bugging trump towers for hiraly, and were taking plenty of time investigating this molester gymnastics doctor, apparently getting things ready to go get him before he got to victim #400.

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    • MinnesotaMan says:

      Another tip a little more than a month ago – “The FBI said Friday that more than a month before the shooting rampage at a South Florida high school, the bureau received a warning that the 19-year-old charged in the massacre might carry out an attack at a school — but then investigators failed to act on it.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/16/as-florida-town-mourns-authorities-revisit-possible-warning-signs-before-school-massacre/?utm_term=.f7e0788265cf
      Will we find a local FBI person emulating the goals of Eric Holder and Barrack Obama in Fast and Furious? The goal there was to allow guns to be run to have more gun deaths to give credence to the push for gun restrictions. Was it the same FBI/DOJ goal in Florida? Don’t investigate – wait until after an event so that the push for gun control will be bolstered…

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  26. covfefe999 says:

    I see there was a cleanup in aisle 5 sometime between last night and this morning. lol I’m convinced there are people who come to this site and blast opinions they don’t actually hold but pretend they do in order to disrupt good rational and civil discussion. A special category of trolling.

    I just saw the mug shot of Cruz. He looked a bit goofy in the school picture but in the mug shot looks like an attractive young man, not someone who would be an outcast because of his looks like some of the other gone-nuts killers. I haven’t heard much info about his parents other than they are deceased and Cruz was adopted. As someone pointed out last night (and I agree) his mother was older. Born in 1949, she would have been 49 when Cruz was born. I wonder if it was one of those in-family adoptions where grandparents adopted their grandson because the mother (the grandparents’ daughter) was unable to care for the child. That was the situation for gymnast Simone Biles, her adoptive parents are actually her grandfather and his second wife, Simone’s mother was a drug addict.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      Lynda and her husband, Roger, who died many years ago, adopted Nikolas and his biological brother, Zachary, after the couple moved from Long Island to Broward County.
      Kumbatovich said she met the boys only once, when they were very young and attended a family funeral in New York. Lynda was a stay-at-home mom and her late husband, who died when the boys were younger, had worked in advertising.
      […] Lynda, who died of pneumonia, adopted Nikolas the day he was born. Lynda had always wanted to have children and the couple adopted later in life, Kumbatovich said: “I think it was just something she really wanted to do.” http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-school-shooting-cruz-20180214-story.html

      There’s more interesting info in that article. So it looks like this wasn’t the in-family adoption I theorized, but it does appear to have been arranged well in advance because most adoptions do not occur the day the child is born. Maybe a surrogate? In any case, there’s another child, Zachary. I hope he doesn’t have the same kinds of serious problems as his brother!

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      • G3 says:

        The adoptive mom died 31/2months ago — I wonder if the shooter was recently put on some ‘depression medication’…

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      • snarkybeach says:

        his instagram postings mention first his dog dying and then his mom

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        • Bakokitty says:

          So now we learn that possibility the last two beings (both mom and his dog. (don’t ever denigrate the influence of the unjudgemental love of a dog) were taken away by fate. He had no one there to bolster him up as he may have been sinking into a deep depression.
          He was abandoned by possibility the most important beings who loved him.
          I am now a senior, I miss my mother everyday,and I have never forgotten my first dog lost to me when I was age ten.

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          • covfefe999 says:

            I read that his mom had the flu and then she developed pneumonia, was hospitalized, and then died. Horrible! Totally unexpected, no way to plan for that. I think that must have been “the straw” so to speak. Obviously the guy had some long standing issues but at that point he must have felt like life was never going to be good for him. But good gosh I wish these people would just off themselves! Don’t take out a bunch of innocent people.

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            • bj moore says:

              No sympathy to waste on this guy. From what I have read, he abused and killed small animals, trained his dogs to attack the neighbor'[s chickens, was antisocial and a troublemaker for many years; it is said his mother would do anything for him. Sounds like a true sociopath and those around him should have seen this coming.

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  27. Pelicansview says:

    Omar Mateen was reported to the FBI by Lotus Gun Shop owners before he shot up the pulse nightclub. The FBI did nothing.

    Nikolas Cruz was reported to the FBI by a bail bondsman and blogger before he shot up a school. The FBI did nothing.

    It seems the FBI is only really interested in the “see something say something” concept when it involves Russian conspiracy theories and Donald Trump.

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    • JohnP says:

      “Welcome to the FBI tip line, please listen carefully as our choices have changed.”

      “If this is about Donald Trump and Russia, press one and you will be immediately routed to the next available agent.”
      “If this is about anything else, please leave your name and number at the tone and we will get back to you after the shooting ends.”

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      • TheLastDemocrat says:

        “if this is about a gymnastics doctor molesting young gymnasts, please leave your name and number, and we will get back to you after #metoo spills into the news, and local cops capture the guy.”

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        • Ken says:

          “If this is about real Russia collusion involving the 2016 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign, Fusion GPS and the Democrat National Committee please leave your name and number and someone will get back to you eventually or maybe never.”

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    • JohnP says:

      “Dave, did you find that file on the Cruz kid yet?”

      “Nope, still looking.”

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    • snarkybeach says:

      The FBI spokesman said they went to Cruz’s YouTube posting but couldn’t figure out how to find him… maybe they were too busy texting their lovers or looking for Russians?

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  28. 1stgoblyn says:

    Fox News just had Florida Rep. Deutch on who commented that this kid was reported to the FBI. What did the FBI do with the interview, if there was one? Did they just chalk up the info to loss of parent and make a suggestion to him to go see his doctor for depression? Here we go again.

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  29. Southrider says:

    Another mass shooting in a school.
    >
    Another series of pleas by delusional leftists to surrender guns. Seems any disaster will do for them..

    And, again FBI too busy with sedition to follow up on a clear warning beforehand …
    >
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/the-fbi-was-warned-about-a-school-shooting-threat-from?utm_term=.vqRJlGqgoj#.enoar745nj
    >
    I’ve said this before …
    >
    http://www.cchrflorida.org/antidepressants-are-a-prescription-for-mass-shootings/

    > https://ssristories.org/
    https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html

    > Terr, pharma debilitated kid, there remains only one KNOWN EFFECTIVE answer, within a free state, in the real world:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB927233749927433053

    “In Israel armed teachers are common, and terrorist attacks at schools nonexistent. Indeed, it was only during a 1997 visit by Israeli schoolgirls to the ‘Island of Peace’ along the Jordanian border, in which the teachers had been asked to leave their weapons behind, that an Arab gunman took advantage of an easy
    opportunity to open fire, killing seven children and wounding another six.”

    There may have been a cop on the enormous campus – but, consider how many fire extinguishers they have by comparison.

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  30. I have been playing catchup on this story and was wondering if anyone knew if they ever said how the shooter was able to gain access into the building. He was apparently wearing a gas mask and was heavily armed. How did he get in?Also wondering if there were any armed security on site. My kids’ high school has one armed officer on site at all times. It’s a school of about 3000 students, so I am not sure that is even enough. But I need to be buzzed in just to get into main foyer and office and then need a pass and escort to get into the common areas of the school.

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    • 1stgoblyn says:

      Doors are opened when a fire alarm is pulled so the persons inside can escape. It is said he pulled a fire alarm and waited for the exodus of children and then started shooting and going inside. Where was the fire alarm located? One Resource Officer for a school of 3200 is not enough. EVERY TEACHER WHO WANTS TO NEEDS TO BE ARMED.

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      • booger71 says:

        And make it so a student can set off a fire alarm

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      • That really makes no sense. Fire alarms are typically inside the building. Was there perhaps one located outside the building?

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        • Ken says:

          I’ve seen school buildings that had the fire alarms outside. I was like what the heck. Anyway I live out in the country and at my oldest one’s school they have shooting practice with small and long arms. They also have teachers that are concealed carry but the students don’t know who they are. So far so good. He graduates this year so it’s one down two more to go.

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      • booger71 says:

        I imagine the doors to the school was already open since classes were ready to be dismissed. He walked in the front door and pulled the first fire alarm he saw.

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  31. JohnP says:

    It could be nothing but I think I may have found a contributing factor…..

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  32. Pam says:

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  33. MVW says:

    Big Pharma and their thirst for an entire country of 300 million on drugs, including our children?
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/florida_school_shooter_in_custody_may_offer_an_opportunity_to_explore_role_of_medications_in_school_massacres.html
    “Or…maybe we should examine the widespread use of psychotropic stimulant drugs, such as Ritalin, on male pupils in schools, which began to be used on a wide scale in 1996. Particularly when the drug use stops, there may be undesirable consequences.”

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    • Lurker2 says:

      I’m reminded that the drug companies don’t even know how SSRI drugs work. In the advertisements they always use vague terms like “it is thought that ….” or “it may help with ….”. If they don’t know exactly how the drugs work then they’re not going to understand the potential side effects, they’ll find out too late after people are harmed or killed. I remember that diet drug combo Phen-fen, the SSRI fenfluramine caused problems in the heart valves and lungs and it turned out the stimulant phentermine strengthened the ill effects of fenfluramine. And then the drug company tried to cover up the serious problems, they deliberately misreported them as more minor adverse reactions. It seems these days most people are taking prescription medication for depression or anxiety or other moods they don’t want to experience, and many are taking multiple drugs. Who knows how those drugs interact or what their long term effects are, especially on growing adolescent and teen minds. It’s a disaster IMO.

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      • Bakokitty says:

        Yes, big Pharma and Govt. sanctioned experimental drug use on the unwitting population.
        Particularly the young males.

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        • covfefe999 says:

          There’s a drug, I’m too lazy to look it up :), that causes male teens to grow breasts. I mean what the h are pharmaceutical companies doing to people??? What kind of a drug would cause a male body to malfunction so badly that it starts growing female-like breasts! I think that drug is still on the market too! There’s no accountability. The pharmaceutical companies rake in enough dough to pay off the lawsuits, that’s all. It’s a calculated risk to make massive amounts of money. It’s bad enough when drugs kill or injure the patients, it’s even worse if the drugs are causing the patients to kill other people. You never hear the Democrats talking about the drugs though.

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          • covfefe999 says:

            Well this is disturbing. Trying to find the drug I was referring to in my prior post I found an NIH article about drug-induced gynecomastia. In Table 1 there’s a list of drugs that are known to cause this problem. One is metronidazole, an antibiotic that is commonly used to treat rosacea (because of its anti-inflammatory action, not its antibiotic action). I’m female and I would not want to use this drug! How many men do you think are using it and are unaware that this is a possible side effect? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2860825/

            Anyway, the drug I was thinking of is Risperdal. It’s used to treat certain psychiatric disorders. If it’s causing men to grow female-like breasts what else is it doing to their bodies?

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  34. youme says:

    The 1927 Bombing That Remains America’s Deadliest School Massacre
    Ninety years ago, a school in Bath, Michigan was rigged with explosives in a brutal act that stunned the town

    In 1927, Bath was a rural village of 300 people despite its location ten miles from Lansing, the state capital. The local institute of learning was Bath Consolidated School, built only five years earlier to replace the scattered one-room schools of the surrounding farmland. It had 314 students from around the region, many the sons and daughters of farmers. Some students were bused in, and all took classes with their peers over the course of elementary and high school.

    May 18 was the last day of classes for students that year, but at 8:45 the north wing of the three-story structure exploded with such force that the boom was heard miles away.

    “We knew it came from Bath, but we didn’t know what it was or anything, so we jumped in the old car and drove as fast as we could to see what it was,” Irene Dunham told the Lansing State Journal. The centenarian is the oldest living survivor. She was 19 at the time, a senior about to finish her last year—and stayed home that morning due to a sore throat.

    “There was a pile of children about five or six under the roof and some of them had arms sticking out, some had legs, and some just their heads sticking out. They were unrecognizable because they were covered with dust, plaster and blood,” wrote local author Monty J. Ellsworth in his 1927 account, The Bath School Disaster. “It is a miracle that many parents didn’t lose their minds before the task of getting their children out of the ruins was completed. It was between five and six o’clock that evening before the last child was taken out.”

    As community members rushed to help after the explosion, getting rope to lift up the collapsed roof and pull the students and teachers from the rubble, a member of the school board named Andrew Kehoe drove up to the site. Kehoe stepped out of his truck filled with dynamite and shrapnel, aimed his rifle at it, and fired. The ensuing explosion killed the school superintendent, several other bystanders, and Kehoe himself.

    Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/#Sl0cz0mm6COk6lVM.99

    Besides the terrible nature of the tragedy, what stands out is the fact that the parents dug out and removed the bodies of their children.

    Nowadays, it is crime scene tape and screams by the police of stay back! In Newton, Ct., the parents were forced to stay outside while the bodies of their children remained in the school building till the next day.

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  35. youme says:

    Everytown for Gun safety, an anti-gun group formed by former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and prominent gun control advocate Shannon Watts, released new data on Tuesday suggesting that there have been an average of 1.37 school shootings every single week in the U.S. since the deadly 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut.

    The anti-gun organization cites a total of 74 school shootings since Dec. 14, 2012. However, several of the shootings have come under scrutiny as some of them appear to have occurred off-campus and at least one may have been an instance of self-defense.

    Journalist Charles C. Johnson dug deeper into Everytown’s data on Tuesday and published his findings on Twitter. He also criticized the fact that the group classified violent disputes and gang-related violence as “school shootings.”

    Here is what he found:
    https://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/10/wow-journalist-attempts-to-debunk-anti-gun-groups-list-of-school-shootings-in-america-since-sandy-hook-heres-what-he-found

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  36. thedoc00 says:

    Going completely uncovered and unstated is that in 2016, at the time of the great Democrat Party Pizza sit-in, 2nd Amendment advocates and Republicans offered to discuss gun control issues as long as any legislation included due process protections. President Obama and the democrats refused the compromise. There is more than 2nd Amendment Rights involved with this discussion. The key rights involve protections under the 1st Amendment (mainly privacy and right to speech), 2nd Amendment and 4th Amendment (search). The key sticking point, if the gun rights folks have not changed their minds, is due process under 5th and 14th Amendments to protect against as well as ensure legalities are observed with abridgement, removal seizure, arrest, etc.

    Once again we are faced with a situation, where the danger posed this attacker was well known. There is NOT one government agency, school, business, medial person, etc. who will violate persons 1st and 4th Amendment rights to proactively stop an attacker. The legal price and monetary cost is prohibitive, not to speak of the negative media and social coverage that would result.

    Once again due process has to be offered as the compromise to have the discussion and create legislation. Those who do not ascribe to that compromise are relegated PUBLICALLY to the sidelines.

    The second part of the solution is part mental health and part social. For those truly suffering from mental illness, there is a need to give better access. Yet, for the vast majority America has to rediscover personal responsibility, how to deal with adversity and rediscover much of the Judeo-Christian ethos that was built into the fabric of our culture and has been torn away over the past 40-50 years.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      It is also worth noting that since the Democrat Pizza Party, they have publically advocated for abridging 1st Amendment and 4th Amendment Rights for issues not related to gun control as well as eliminating the electoral college and 2nd Amendment.This is the back drop the democrats have painted and is also a roadblock to discussion, even for those who do not care about the 2nd Amendment, no matter how sensible the legislation. It is believed that a compromise on any of our rights, with democrats, is seen as a greenlight to continue their attack on the others.

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  37. Zippy says:

    Theory – find a person already on the edge, covertly harass them on and offline to the breaking point at an opportune time to distract news coverage? The Virginia Tech shooting was carried out just days before US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was supposed to testify before the Senate in his particular scandal. I suspect the correct timing couldn’t be precisely controlled such as with the Las Vegas shooting since I don’t know what political scandal that would have been a news diversion from.

    Nikolas Cruz Trained With White Supremacists, Wore Pro-Trump Hat in School

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-trained-with-florida-white-supremacist-group-leader-says

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    • Zippy says:

      Of course there could also be a goal in doing such that doesn’t need synchronization with the news if the general goal is to promote anti-gun hysteria.

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    • Buckeye Heathen says:

      Fake News ! That has been debunked as a lie.
      From the Associated Press 2/15/2018 :
      “___

      4:30 p.m.

      A law enforcement official says he knows of “no known ties” between the suspect who confessed to a deadly mass shooting at a Florida high school and a white supremacist group.

      Lt. Grady Jordan is a spokesman for the Leon County Sheriff’s Office in Tallahassee, where the white nationalist militia known as the Republic of Florida is based. Jordan said Thursday that his office has arrested militia leader Jordan Jereb at least four times since January 2014 and has been monitoring the group’s membership.

      He says his office has “very solid” information on the group and “there’s no known ties that we have that we can connect” 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz with the group….”

      https://www.apnews.com/892a28db92924e2faa15e7b90a5b843f/The-Latest:-Police-report:-Suspect-confessed-to-shooting

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  38. JMC says:

    The meme “Shooter Belonged To White Nationalist Group” is now an AP headline and appearing on my CT newspapers online.

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    • OMG – they’ve got him in a MAGA hat FFS!!! This is why we need to be very careful. MAGA does NOT encourage violence of this kind whatsoever! I don’t know about his white nationalist group he’s in is about either, but not sure their tactics are to go in and shoot up an all white high school either.

      I am seeing commenters stating “typical Trump supporter.” Jeesh we don’t need this. The press is already having a field day.

      It wasn’t a gun that killed those people and it wasn’t MAGA or Trump. It was a psychotic monster who decided to do the unthinkable and unforgivable.

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  39. . InAz says:

    I was reading commie liberal blogs about the shooting.
    They are pushing the shooter is a White Supremacist and not Antifa, is a President Trump supporter, etc
    They are spewing nonsense, but of course we knew they would.

    What glaringly stood out the most is this……on Conservative sites people expressed grief, condolences, and prayers etc for the victims, getting help for mentally ill, how to protect schools from shooters, etc

    On leftist sites there is no expression of condolences, prayers, grief, etc. Just hateful attacks on President Trump and his base and the RINOs. No discussion on anything, just hate spewing lies and how to disarm America.
    Pushing that Putin gave money to NRA for President Trump campaign and other garbage like that.
    There is a PAC that was just formed to help get Marxist liberal judges on the bench Nationwide. The faux Black Shaun King is behind it. They admit what their agenda is.

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  40. . InAz says:

    We lived in a very large city. When my son was in Fourth Grade an adult male shooter went to his school.
    Sheer luck played a role. A woman who lived close to the school saw the man with the gun headed to the school. She called the school then called police. The school had about a three minute warning, and they were able to do a complete lockdown. Luckily the students were all inside, no playground activities. The man did shoot at the school. He tried to get inside. The school had double steel doors, high windows, alarm system for these situations.

    It was agonizing not knowing what was happening, waiting, kept away by police. Ambulances there. There was a major traffic jam by parents rushing to the school, streets blocked off by police…..so parents parked where possible and walked to get as close as possible….I did the same. I don’t remember much about the gun carrying man. I think he was mentally ill, divorced, and his kids attended the school. Why the man walked to the school with the gun visible instead of driving, I never found out.

    Then we move to a rural area. My daughter is in First Grade. End of school year four weeks away. A man with a gun goes to the school. A teacher saw him and confronted him, told a student to tell another teacher close by about gun and to get the Principal. The man was threatening to shoot, waving the gun in the air. I go to the school to pick up my daughter and police are everywhere, ambulances there, streets blocked off, school locked down. Again the wait was agonizing. The man was angry, suppossedly mentally ill, his wife taught at the school. No shots fired. The school was not fenced at the time.

    My heart breaks every time this happens.
    My anger is undescribable. I absolutely hate the left.

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  41. Bakokitty says:

    InAZ, I am so sorry you have had to go through such an unspeakably horrible thing. I think every parent is horrified by the very thought of this possibility happening to their kids.
    We often worry about a possible earthquake or school fire, or in my generation ( long ago) we worried about possible nuclear war. but never was it our minds that someone would come to school to shoot up our children.
    I am now a grandmother and yes I worry about them in today’s world. We in America have allowed our children’s very childhood to be stolen by those who would do harm to them. I worry too about my grown son who is a teacher, I know he would do anything to keep his classroom kids safe.
    Our unwillingness to use capital punishment I fear is at the root of much of the repeated attacks like this. I grew up in the 50s thru the 60s, I worried about the Cold War, not some bad guy coming to kill us. My heart breaks for these teens who went through this yesterday, they will carry this for the rest of their life.
    I remember back then that even a kidnapping of a child or a rare murder would set the entire country looking for the killer, a dragnet until found and then the tried and the eventual death penalty that was carried out. It sent a message that I believe limited these occurrences.
    But we have had 60 years of the ALCU lawyers successfuly watering down our capital punishment for these murderers. I think this has led us to where we are today.

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  42. covfefe999 says:

    Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said in a news conference Thursday that the suspect arrived at the high school Wednesday at 2:19 p.m., getting a ride from an Uber car. He entered the school’s building 12 with his rifle in a soft, black case http://time.com/5159134/who-is-the-florida-shooter-parkland-nicolas-cruz/

    Another glaring sign ignored? Uber driver drops off crazy-eyed teen with rifle bag at a school. Yah, that seems totally normal.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      Helen Pasciolla, a retired neighbor who lives in the Cruz family’s former neighborhood in Parkland, told the New York Times that Cruz had regular behavioral problems. Pasciolla said their mother would sometimes call the police to come over and talk to Cruz.

      Father died in 2002. Mother, who was already 50 when Nikolas was born and adopted was trying to cope alone with what appears to be a violence-obsessed mentally ill teen when she was in her mid 60’s. Being the lone parent I imagine she was working full time to support the family and could not keep a close enough eye on Nikolas. What a disaster.

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  43. jbrickley says:

    Here we go. He was adopted as a baby along with his brother and took the name Cruz. His adopted father passed away a decade ago. His adopted mother raised him until she died of flu and complications with pneumonia last November 1st. He was living with a different family who had no clue what he was up to except to say he was sad and depressed.

    He’s autistic just like Adam Lanza and on medications possibly SSRI’s. Many with autism have Aspergers syndrome as it’s on the scale. This can mean difficulties with empathy toward others. Cruz exhibited troubling violence against animals with several instances mentioned in the press. Also mentioned that he had his dog attack the neighbors and the mother didn’t deal with it all that well. He was prone to angry outbursts. The student population was weary of him because he was just off and not normal. Before he was expelled he was banned from carrying a backpack on campus. That’s a clear indication the school was concerned about weapons. He threatened students. Everyone knew he had firearms as he was obsessed and talked about it all the time. He was enrolled an Alternate School program before being expelled. That’s for those in danger of dropping out of school. After he was expelled he ended up attending adult education in pursuit of a GED and working at a local Dollar Store. The FBI were alerted to a post on a YouTube video about wanting to be a professional school shooter. The video poster reported him to YouTube and Police and the FBI interviewed him twice but they couldn’t get a warrant from Google who owns YouTube to identify the poster. The name matches but they couldn’t identify the correct person without data from YouTube. More will come out in the investigation. If the school was so concerned why didn’t they file for a restraining order and tell the police he has firearms and made violent threats?

    There are plenty of people with Aspergers (on the autism scale) and lots of sociopaths who are no danger to themselves or others. Much like Adam Lanza it seems his mother was ill equipped the deal with him and the ability to get proper mental treatment in this country is abysmal. Even if you have the money it’s just about impossible to help a mentally ill child. I’ve read stories where a mother woke up to find her 12 year old ready to stab her with a cooking knife in the middle of the night. She fought him off and had to lock up all the sharps in the house and had to lock him in his room for the safety of the rest of the family. She was distraught and tried everything to get help and there was nothing.

    We don’t have a gun problem in this country we have a mental health crisis of epic proportions and a PC culture run amok where everyone is afraid of offending the mentally ill. Regular MD’s are prescribing SSRI’s without proper therapy and misdiagnosing patients. The SSRI’s don’t solve the problem they only smooth you out and the side effects are terrible so people go off their meds because they are tired of feeling numb and having sexual side effects and dry mouth and being tired all the time. Going on and off the drugs causes major problems. You have to be weened off most of these drugs you can’t just suddenly cease to take them, it’s dangerous. They need therapy and guidance and oversight they need to want to control their condition. They need to be identified and helped properly. Some are so sick they really need to be locked up for the safety of the public. Unfortunately they get abused.

    That public defender really pisses me off. She claims he’s a broken child and that he’s remorseful which definitely doesn’t fit the facts at all. He planned this to great detail. Gas mask, smoke grenades, AR-15, hundreds of rounds a ammo preloaded into multiple magazines. He rented an Uber to the school, walked in, hit the fire alarm and executed people in the hallways. A teacher outside spotted him identified him, alerted the staff with a radio and moments later when the fire alarm went off the teacher called in a code red. It was total chaos. Then he ditched his gear and tried to walk out with his hands in the air like a victim hiding among other victims. The police had a description of him and nabbed him. He was brought to the hospital to be treated for labored breathing due to smoke inhalation. He spoke with investigators. Not all the details have been released.

    Everyone at that school knew this guy Cruz was a big problem and due to B.S. political correctness nothing was done. It’s absolutely insane! There was an armed officer at the school but the place is so big the officer couldn’t find the shooter in the sprawling campus with 3,000 students.

    I first and foremost blame the shooter he’s an adult he knew what he was doing. I next blame the school administrators for not taking more extreme actions. I blame the school system for preventing extreme actions from being pursued due to some misguided liberal thinking. I blame the FBI for not being able to react fast enough with a warrant to Google / YouTube and perhaps Google for making the process difficult and any judge who made the process difficult and time consuming. I blame his mother and the people he was living with. I blame anyone else who didn’t report this nutter if they had more detailed information about his plans.

    The perimeter doors should have been locked from the outside he should have needed to be identified and buzzed in. Perhaps he tailgated if someone walked out we don’t know yet.

    Lord, hindsight may be 20/20 but we as a society need to do a lot better. There are armed guards everywhere in the Philippines at all the schools, at all public spaces and shopping centers even the hotels had armed uniformed guards outside and inside. Metal detectors at the mall entrances and a male and female guard to search your bags and jackets for weapons.

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  44. whirlwinder says:

    What about the second shooter? A girl was walking down a hall with Cruz and they heard shooting,

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  45. Tim Brown says:

    How was this guy the only shooter, when according to an eyewitness who was with him, she heard shots while walking along with him? https://freedomoutpost.com/second-shooter-eyewitness-claims-florida-school-shooting-suspect-heard-shots/

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