UPDATE: Mandalay Bay Massacre – Latest Las Vegas Sheriff Press Conference…

The latest press conference from Las Vegas reveals some stunning information.  During the Q&A within the latest update the Las Vegas Sheriff Joe Lombardo noted the shooter Stephen Paddock had an apparent escape strategy to survive the attack.

As more information is revealed the scope of the pre-planning by Stephen Craig Paddock lends to a strong probability that more than one person is involved.  [We’ll keep looking for better video of latest presser.Better (full) video found:

  • *Paddock led a secretive life. No social media presence.
  • *Paddock previously scouted a prior venue.
  • TIMELINE:
  • *10:05pm shooting begins. Suspect on 32nd floor.
    *10:12pm First two officers arrive on 31st floor stating gunfire origin on 32nd floor.
    *10:15pm Last shots fired by suspect.
    *10:17pm First two officers arrive on 32nd floor.
    *10:18pm Security guard, Jose Campos tells police he was shot and exact room location.
    *10:26-10:30pm Eight additional officers arrive on 32nd floor. Begins evacuation.
    *10:55pm Eight additional officers arrive at suspect hotel room door.
    *11:20pm Initial room breach. Suspect located. 2nd Door (room) identified.
    *11:27pm Second breach, 2nd room. Radio: All Clear – Suspect Down.

  • *over 200 strafing rounds were fired through the door at the responding Mandalay Bay security guard, Jose Campos.
  • *several of the weapons Paddock was using jammed during the shooting.
  • *gunman had an apparent escape strategy (unidentified).
  • *non of the cameras discovered (4) were recording.
  • *suspect vehicle held ten 1lb containers of tannerite explosive. Two 20lb containers of tannerite and an additional 1,600 rounds of ammunition.
  • *no idea why Paddock did not utilize explosives.  Why bring them?
  • *police still seeking tips on Stephen Paddock activity for months, weeks, days up to the event.
  • *motive still unknown. Local LEO does not know results from FBI interview with Ms. Danley.
  • *the possibility of an accomplice is strong.
  • *there was a great deal of premeditation involved in carrying out this attack.
  • *possibility of Paddock having done pre-surveillance of alternate attack venue.
  • *thousands of rounds of ammunition present in room.
  • *no suicide note was found in the room.
  • *assumption is Paddock stopped shooting because security guard knock spooked him.
  • *Paddock was gambling at some points prior to the shooting.  Did not appear to have companion for gambling.
  • *Paddock purchased 33 weapons in October 2016.  Police are interested in what took place in/around October 2016 to elicit his bulk purchase of firearms.
  • *police see evidence he planned to survive and escape. Would not elaborate.
  • *residence in Reno large ammo and firearms. Residence in Mesquite large ammo and firearms. All indications point toward having some form of assistance.

 

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1,223 Responses to UPDATE: Mandalay Bay Massacre – Latest Las Vegas Sheriff Press Conference…

  1. positron1352 says:

    Rules of the Federal Government 101-
    When there is a terrorist attack of the radical islam kind- let time pass so that the public is more distanced emotionally from the event.
    Federal Government 102- In the meantime, distract the public with information that is relatively meaningless, emotionally, for example, how many rounds the guy fired. How many time have we been told?
    Federal Government 103 – Devise a plausible explanation if it was terrorism that will not hinder the mission of the Deep State and the globalist agenda.
    104- Place the local law enforcement agency out front, don’t give them any information after you have taken over the bulk of the investigation and let them twist in the wind with the public’s questions.
    And there seems to be a new one:
    105- Relax and enjoy as you watch the Trump supporterssquirm as they try to figure out what really happened when the FBI ALREADY knows enough to provide information. Very passive/aggressive behavior.
    Never before have they spent this much time allowing the public to be in distress while giving nothing at all when they already have many details and much information. It’s a pretty lousy thing to do but it doesn’t surprise me after the reaction to the election that we have all witnessed.
    I feel very sympathetic to those in our FBI, CIA and other agencies that are good and decent people who are probably very outnumbered by the ones who are more interested in their agenda than truth and my heart is with them.

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    • Bendix says:

      Very good analysis.
      Gee, I wonder, if James Comey had spent more time doing his job, and less time hiding in the drapes, might this tragedy have been averted?
      They have to have all this theater, to distract from how utterly incompetent they are.
      By the time the truth comes out, people will be tired of listening.

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  2. Kaco says:

    For what it’s worth, I found on voter records, Stephen C. Paddock, age 64, is not registered to vote in neither Nevada or Florida.

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  3. TheWanderingStar says:

    I’d like to here the testimony of the customer ex-MIL who was one floor below the shooter and called the front desk to report the shooting. It would be interesting to hear what he had to say about cadence and acoustics of the shooting.

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  4. symsense says:

    Kernels of truth with possible coded misinformation has been best presented IMO from a series of articles at http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2401.htm

    Also interesting angles worth considering at http://stateofthenation2012.com/

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    • kiskiminetas says:

      I am not buying the first link. It is something the left and deep state would make up.

      As for the second link in light of O’s stated purpose of fundamentally transforming this nation it has more plausibility. The CIA has deep starters in it as well as the FBI. I could see them cooking this up. Why, for gun control of course but primarily for the O’s, the left’s and globalists’ agenda.

      The lone gunman mantra is a false narrative and being used to cover for the real perpetrators of this tragedy. Everything in this attack was set up to make it look like this man did it all. That is simply not the truth as those who are investigating it all have the same mantra of “lone gunman.” Those in charge of this have clamped down on those who know more and want to say what really was going on are being pressured not to do so.

      I also don’t believe those in power are waiting to tell us the truth of what took place. I am not a conspiracy theory loon or anything like that but rather someone who uses his intellect and abstract thought process to weed out the dross that those in power feed to the masses. There is another side to this story that these people will not show you. Sadly it is what they do.

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      • symsense says:

        If you follow the links in the whatdoesitmean article it presents some interesting connections that regardless of ‘truth’ to them are worth taking into consideration as this develops further. Why?

        Because we KNOW there is a war going on inside the ‘deep state’ and ‘shadow government’

        We KNOW Paddock, did not act alone in this shooting.

        We KNOW Paddocks profile fits the profile of someone who would be involved in gun running or other clandestine and/or illegal operations.

        So, and here you could say is my conspiracy hat, but generally we know that the ‘black hat’ operators inside CIA, FBI, etc. are not operating at the same level of power or information.

        Occams razor says, to me, that Paddock was a part of a planned operation here, designed to produce the gun control and so called new security measures that are already being moved on and inevitably will be. BUT, Paddock believed his role in this operation would be different than the way it turned out as demonstrated by the fact he thought he would escape.

        We could continue to speculate but what is VERY, very clear is this:

        Paddock did not act alone, in either premeditation of the act or execution of the shooting. Paddock has been involved in clandestine operations, so we are right to view clandestine operations as being involved in this act.

        Also anyone who doesnt realize that ISIS is just a clandestine operation created by the Shadow Government/Deep State CIA-MOSSAD is sadly a brainwahsed fool. That does not mean that brainwashed muslim fools do not join ISIS and perpetuate unthinkable crimes against humanity.

        I can connect dots more specifically but clearly the whatdoesitmean did this already, regardless of if the fact every theory they present being true.

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  5. NYGuy54 says:

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  6. Ziiggii says:

    Something intriguing

    note the multiple discussions about the Tropicana and then watch this

    That is the Tropicana

    I’d like to know more about who / what this person was doing?

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  7. Jim in TN says:

    Here is a new one. They are now saying he researched concerts in other cities. Lollapalooza in Chicago and something in Boston.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/10/05/chilling-vegas-shooter-also-scoped-out-popular-concerts-in-chicago-and-boston-n2391150

    Lollapalooza was August 2-5.

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    • keeler says:

      “Boston” was Fenway Park, apparently. That area of Boston doesn’t have any high-rise buildings or hotels (I once lived in the tallest building in the neighborhood: it was under 20 stories and still a good distance away). Very hard to get a line of site into that particular park due to the layout of the venue and the lack of surrounding infrastructure.

      It should be noted that baseball is not the only event held there. Occasionally Fenway is the site of music concerts and outdoor hockey games.

      The killer also researched th Boston Center for the Arts, which is an indoor facility, and thus seems outside his interest in targets.

      It would be interesting to know if he researched a specific period of time in Boston, perhaps coinciding with a Fenway concert or a BCA outdoor even at some other location, such as the Esplanade.

      Curious as to why he would research Boston and Chicago targets, however. He doesn’t seem to have ties to or a history with either city, and neither is gambling center. Both seem outside his social circles. Perhaps there is something in common between the two cities that could be revealing as to motive.

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    • Lollapalooza is a younger crowd…usually. Maybe too far left? Had also read something that he had scouted a rap concert location…maybe also too far left?

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  8. Sevenwheel says:

    I’m wondering if his secret profession was arms smuggling. In this scenario he makes a deal with someone to sell a lot of guns, ammo and explosive. His client tells him the exchange point will be the hotel suite. Paddock shows up with the guns expecting to get paid, but instead they kill him, use the guns for the massacre, then go to a different room and wait to be evacuated by the police, leaving Paddock’s body in the room to be found.

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    • G. Combs says:

      Or they just leave.
      5 to eight minutes after shooting the security guard a black truck rips out of the parking lot.

      Paddock sure as heck has all the earmarks of a smuggler.
      ………..

      If he worked for the IRS at one time who knows who he made contact with through that venue.

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    • symsense says:

      Its obvious Paddock fits the profile of someone who would be engaged w/ the CIA or FBI, etc. and/or organized crime syndicates.

      SO much more here than we are being fed.

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  9. Ziiggii says:

    the cabby’s video locations

    moves from 1-3 (parks) and then all the way around and out to the strip.

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  10. AghastInFL says:

    Just a share, I’m not ascribing to the content herein other than, given the reportage thus far, everything becomes reasonable, including at least some of these questions:
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-03-five-more-things-dont-add-up-las-vegas-massacre-expended-brass.html#

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    • rednighthawk says:

      Whoa! That was an incredible article! The writer asks some very good questions that deserve answers.

      Liked by 1 person

      • G. Combs says:

        I am really hoping that President Trump has some trustworthy people whose job is to keep up with the comments at places like the Treehouse and Reddit_The_Donald, then bring to his attention the critical comments.

        There is a lot of sleuthing going on and a lot of questions being asked and we need President Trump to drag the answers out of the FIB (the Federal Idiotic Bureaucracy)

        At this point I do not care what the answers are, I just want TRUTHFUL answers and not Yellow Stream Media rain.

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  11. keebler AC ovfefe says:

    Another possible clue. Some people see patterns quickly, that’s just how they are. Do not eliminate their feedback. Keep in mind.

    The concert was part of “91 Harvest Festival”.

    The gun on the floor pictured has the number “19” or “91” if you turn it around.

    There are discrepancies in the police audio versus the shooting evidence seen on the door.

    Security guard is only shot in the leg?

    REPORT:

    Did Mandalay Bay Attack Itself?
    October 3, 2017 Bankster Slayer

    Jim Murren is donating MGM shareholder money to CAIR. They were named by the Justice Dept. as ‘an unindicted co-conspirator to Muslim terrorism….’ CAIR was created to support the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas.

    Wayne Allyn Root, August 29, 2017, Townhall.com

    How many times have we said it? Repeat after me: Follow The Money! While the Sheeple and the MSM are “mystified” by the apparent lack of motive of Las Vegas Shooting patsy Stephen Paddock, neither the enlightened readers of Rogue Money nor anybody else who can do 15 minutes’ worth of internet research, need feel so handicapped.

    https://www.roguemoney.net/blog/2017/10/3/did-mandalay-bay-attack-itself?format=amp

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    • keebler AC ovfefe says:

      9+1 is 10, as in month of October.
      Very satanic in nature. As President Trump said right at the beginning – this is the doing of evil. Who is doing this? The number 19 featured in the photos that got out rapidly, leaked, is suspicious. I repeat, Paddock is the patsy. He registered under his gf’s name knowing she had already left the country. He thought he would escape. No one truly committing mass murder of this kind would think he could escape. Hence, he thought he was just providing room and board for some third party with the help of his Mandalay hostess girlfriend with connections……or else, the Mandalay CAIR and Hillary supporting CEO is essentially part of the set up.

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    • David says:

      From your link…

      anonymous post by a 4chan user back on September 11th. He warned residents of Las Vegas and Henderson to “stay inside tomorrow.”

      Nothing happened in Las Vegas and Henderson on September 12th.

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    • distracted2 says:

      I’m one of those people who pays attention to patterns. ISIS pays attention to ritual, symbolism, patterns, numbers, anything that has a meaning to them. It’s not unintentional.

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  12. Tparty says:

    Listening to Giza Death Star ( former state department employee)

    This is ALL not confirmed but results from an email source of his. Let’s explore.

    Some background on Paddock, at some time worked as a defense auditor putting him in a very special work category.

    The information is that from 1986 to 1988, Paddock worked as an arms smuggling pilot taking place in CIA Operation Cyclone which provided arms to Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

    He may have worked for a company called Allied Signal. Allied merged with Honeywell, merged with Martin Marietta. The whole mess was merged and eventually became …. Lockheed Martin.

    Take it for what it is at this point … unconfirmed speculation.

    He is working to confirm or deny this information.

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    • Tparty says:

      I will put up the video when it becomes available.

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    • Sylvia Avery says:

      I guess I’m pretty naive, or old fashioned. When I worked in LE, there were strict rules about not fraternizing with dirt bags. It would cost you your job. There was also a very, very thorough background check I had to pass.

      But the CIA thinks NOTHING about hiring a guy whose father was a convicted bank robber and escaped prison and lived under a false identity two times? If you were in charge of HR for the CIA, wouldn’t those things seem like disqualifiers? Especially since the CIA recruits so heavily out of the Ivy League elitist college student category.

      None of the pieces seem to fit in my mind. I guess I think it is more likely this is your basic sociopathic criminal who used his cunning and skills in some as yet unknown way to make himself money and get along in life. I don’t know. It sure is frustrating.

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      • Tparty says:

        It takes all types to run the CIA. The Ivy league just gets to run the place …

        They love pilots for some reason …

        http://www.nndb.com/people/140/000129750/

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      • mimbler says:

        Yes, I think most people have a distorted image of the CIA through movies and television.

        There is a great book about the CIA, “Legacy of Ashes”. It is a tough slog because it is lengthy and extremely heavily footnoted, but after reading it, I had a real insight into the CIA and its history. It isn’t terribly flattering, but it is well documented.

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        • Sylvia Avery says:

          Thanks for the book recommendation. It sounds interesting. It is a topic that is difficult to get actual facts regarding how it works. Too much mythology surrounds the CIA and too many conspiracies.

          I get the CIA needs people who will get their hands dirty. I was under the impression if they needed people like that they tended to hire them as contractors so as to distance the government from the dirty deeds to the extent possible, but maybe not.

          But the CIA is a government bureaucracy first and foremost. I struggle with seeing them, or the FBI, thinking it was just groovy to hire this mailman who has such heavy duty criminality in the family tree and turn him into James Bond.

          Why? What skills would he have possessed to make him perfect for the job? It apparently wasn’t his persuasive charm that could elicit information from people since he seems to have had the personality of a door stop. His marvelous skill with numbers? The FBI is full of accountants–there’s no real shortage of that kind of ability.

          Knowing almost nothing at this point it seems more likely to me he was involved in some kind of criminal enterprise as I just can’t swallow the real estate riches/professional gambler route to wealth.

          I just can’t buy the arms dealing out of the Mandalay Bay, either. It boggles the mind that either a seller or a buyer would expose themselves to the cameras and facial recognition software. It would seem more logical to meet up at a mini storage in Henderson, or a parking lot in Pahrump.

          But I am not certain of anything except this is a strange story and I can’t help but feel we are trying to make sense out of a puzzle with over half the pieces missing.

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          • mimbler says:

            Yes, from my reading of the book he definitely wouldn’t be a direct hire, and he doesn’t seem to have special skills to “contract” him.
            And absolutely I’m with you on the arms dealing out of the hotel! Way too much exposure (and physical work) for no gain.

            As Sherlock Holmes would say, once you rule out the impossible, you are left with what happened. So far, I seem to fare better at ruling things out than I am seeing the possible that is left.

            Unless, he is just a simple crazy person, but that would be an unsatisfying conclusion. With this much tragedy, it seems there should be something more behind it.

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            • Sylvia Avery says:

              I’m with you on ruling things out but not really able to connect the dots on what is left.

              Maybe he IS “just crazy” somehow, but he doesn’t seem to fit that category well, either.

              Did you read about his apparently sudden onset allergic reactions to chemicals and scents and so forth? He had to wear gloves all the time. Hmm….but in the much publicized shot glass photo he wasn’t wearing gloves, but of course who knows if that was before his allergy issues arose.

              And then something I read today said Marilou told investigators he would lay in bed moaning and screaming “Oh God.” Well, I mean, many people do that depending on the circumstances. *Blush*

              He’s well outside the typical schizophrenic behavior that is seen in young adults. Possibly he has some form of dementia that hadn’t been diagnosed yet. Although that seems unlikely, too, I think. I’d think that might mess up his video poker playing.

              I guess I’m just leaning toward the psychopathic criminal type who had some triggering event that made him decide he wanted to kill a whole bunch of people. There are evil and depraved people who don’t need any more reason than that as incomprehensible as it is to the rest of us.

              Although in my mind I would see that as a suicidal prelude and yet the Sheriff says oh no they are sure he had an exit plan. That doesn’t make much sense to me, either.

              If he ran, where would he go? His identity would be well known. He’s a compulsive gambler. To play video poker he’d have to risk going places where they have loads of cameras and facial recognition software. Even a lot of the Indian casinos have that.

              So frustrating. I just can’t make sense out of it.

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              • mimbler says:

                Yes, you’ve laid it out thoroughly, and that is what I’m seeing as well.

                Pending additional info we aren’t privy to, I’m not accepting the Sheriff’s exit plan conclusion, unless it was an exit plan to continue mayhem elsewhere until he was killed. Otherwise, there is no explaining the total lack of hiding his identity.

                The sudden onset allergy and apparent psychic or physical pain causing moaning could be the onset of something physical that caused mental problems, or perhaps a physical diagnosis of mortality made him bitter against the living.

                Not much to hang our hats on. I certainly hope this isn’t one of those that just goes away, motive unknown.
                The lack of relevant details they are willing to share makes it look like it might well be one of those disappearing cases. With the apparent perpetrator dead, the public can quickly lose interest.
                After all, what -are- the Kardashians doing today?

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              • Tparty says:

                Sylvia …”Did you read about his apparently sudden onset allergic reactions to chemicals and scents and so forth…?”

                Oh please … really?

                Anything else we can deflect this to?

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                • Sylvia Avery says:

                  Hey, I didn’t say that was what caused him to shoot a bunch of people!

                  In fact, I didn’t get the impression from the account I read that the anyone thinks that is behind his behavior.

                  I just thought it was strange, like every other thing I have read about this guy.

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    • POP says:

      “Paddock worked as an arms smuggling pilot taking place in CIA Operation Cyclone which provided arms to Bin Laden in Afghanistan.”

      Unlikely, the perp was a Private Pilot with very small basic aircraft experience. That sort of work is way out of his league.

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  13. FofBW says:

    Has anyone heard if Paddock (or whoever) had disabled the hotel video cams in his hallway?

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  14. Ziiggii says:

    the fuel tank area

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    • keeler says:

      Been wondering if his plan involved:

      1) Shoot into crowd, causing panic.
      2) Wait for crowd to run away/evacuate from the direction of shooting (Mandalay side of Harvest) towards the aviation fuel tanks (back side of Harvest).
      3) Shoot the tanks, causing a massive explosion which kills fleeing crowd members.
      4) Use the inherent diversion of the explosion and mass casualties to attempt his escape.

      The crowd didn’t panic as intended, the tanks didn’t explode, and he is challenged by security sooner than he anticipated (still wondering how this specifically disrupted his planned escape). Knowing the route out is closed and further attacks will not result in significantly more victims, he then kills himself.

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      • mimbler says:

        I just don’t buy the tank theory. When I want to light my barbecue grill, I’ll flick the bic, or keep throwing matches on till the lighter fluid catches. Sometimes, it takes quite a few tries, but I don’t stop and use my kitchen oven instead.
        Why would he stop with 4 shots? Doesn’t pass the common sense test to me,
        Seems more likely to be wild shots that hit there, or even a “I wonder if those would explode?” moment. But if it was a serious part of his plan, I just can’t see stopping after 4 shots.

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        • keeler says:

          Certainly issues with the tank hypothesis.

          Possible they were errant shots, but they seem a good distance from the venue itself. Unless he took a couple shots at people near the tanks, of course, it seems like he would have to be aiming for them in order to hit them. But I could be wrong.

          Could be a “I wonder” moment but that doesn’t quite square with the “meticulously planned” narrative. But it’s easy to think he was amped up and out of control once the started shooting.

          Also possible, as some have speculated, that there was supposed to be another element of his plan that he realized had not panned out and he gave up.

          On the one hand it’s not too important, but I find all these questions and possibilities interesting, because answering them could provide more information about his motive and whether he, or to what degree, he had help.

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          • mimbler says:

            Yes, we are working with what little info they give us, but I’d rather draw my own conclusions than their sometimes curious ones.
            Now maybe with all the info they have, their conclusions make sense, but I no longer have faith in the FBI.

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  15. oh wow,extremely graphic video of festival grounds on redflagnews.com……

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  16. Ziiggii says:

    One thing I’ve noticed just from reports:

    WTF is with the massive amounts of head wounds?

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    • keeler says:

      He was firing downwards from 32 stories. Seems logical there would be more wounds to the upper body and head, especially for those victims first hit.

      Wasn’t it also reported he hit several people attempting CPR and first aid? Again. think about the position of a person when performing CPR and it makes sense these individuals would have been hit in the upper half of the body.

      Finally, are those reports distinguishing between guns shots and people who were injured by the crowd or obstacles as they escaped? People running in flip flops, diving down to avoid gunfire, clambering over fences, etc are bound to have hurt themselves.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        that’s my point – spray and pray = head wounds?

        even as ppl were preforming CPR?

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        • keeler says:

          Going by the video compilation where several witness videos of been synced up, there’s a period of time where it sounds as if he is shooting more deliberately- possibly aiming at single targets, or the tanks? I would imagine there is a good possibility this is when any of the reported “CPR” victims were hit.

          From that video, you can get the pattern of the attack :there was an initial “spray and pray,” followed by several minutes interspersed with no shooting, slower shooting, shooting within the hotel room, and more rapid volleys- all totaling about 10 minutes.

          Of course, I will admit a lot this is rough speculation based on reports-which often turn out to be wrong or half true- and extrapolating that out with concrete facts. As such, I could be wrong and its possible no one was hit providing CPR/FA. However, given the amount of speculation going on (not by you personally, I should add) it’s worthwhile to bring up other possibilities that might explain evidence some are using as proof of a coverup, conspiracy, or staged event.

          And thank you for the LiveLeak links. Extremely hard to watch but boy does it ground one in the reality of what happened.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        also, I’m just noticing home many were killed via GSW to the head and the ones that have been reported on still in the hospital.

        It’s really just an observation – I know the realities of an elevated shooting position.

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  17. Ziiggii says:

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  18. Strike1 says:

    Let’s talk about what we can see.
    1) Paddocks body dead on floor.
    I have thought about this all day at work and have come up with this analysis.

    Paddock did not die from shooting himself in mouth. He bled out and or died of affixiation do to being shot in the abdomen. (Look at upper abdomen)
    If you look at the photo will see two different blood pools. The lighter one on the left side of his head was thinner blood running fast. He was laying on his left side or his head was turned to left. The blood was pouring out of his mouth and or nostrils do to his esophagus feeling with blood due to his injury & his heart rate so high. The blood ran down his left cheek….look real close. Then at some point he rolled on his back or turned his head straight up. Then the blood flow change directions, filling his right eye socket running off the right side of his forehead down the top of his head to the carpet. This is the second bleed which was already coagulating and that’s why it’s darker and thicker.

    So, what if Poddock did do the shooting with a partner that double-crossed him and made him the Fall Guy. Who is it? The security guy!
    They start the shooting and at one point they both pause and the security guard shoots Paddock in the abdomen. Paddock fires back hitting guards leg. Guard panics and runs out of room. Paddock empties a few clips into door and wall. Sits down do to his injury than falls back on his left side or head turned to left side bleeding from mouth on to the floor and at some point rolls on his back or turns his head straight up. The second blood flow!
    What kind of security person would walk up to a door, that has automatic gunshots coming from it?
    Just my thoughts…..what do you all think?

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    • CagBERRY says:

      Did he say he heard gun shots? I’m pretty sure the Presser last night they said he approached because the door was ajar.

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    • Ranger103 says:

      I think you think the initial entry team just looked at him, said “oh look he is dead” and didn’t touch him. I don’t think that is the case. One of them had to have checked him for signs of life, moved body to determine threat level if any, and that is how he ended up.

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      • Strike1 says:

        Yes that is possible

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        • Ranger103 says:

          It is highly probable. If he ate his pistol right after he shot through the door wounding the security guard at appx 10:18, and the entry team did not enter until an hour later, that explains the two different blood pools on the carpet. One had had an hour to soak in, the other is fresh due to body having just been moved at appx 11:27.

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          • bofh says:

            Dead people don’t hardly bleed. The brighter red (fresher) flow happened while his heart was still pumping.

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            • Strike1 says:

              Exactly! If he blew his head off there would be blood, but not a flow. His heart was pumping it out of his mouth with every beat.
              He walked over to table. Blood dripping from his mouth. This would explain the blood drops from the pool of blood to the gun. It was there before he and the gun were there (Look at photo…small line of blood running down his chin)
              He wrote or wanted to write something, but sat down and then laid down because he was not feeling so good.

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    • Strike1 says:

      Don’t mean to throw security guard under the bus, could very well be another accomplice or nobody.

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      • benifranlkin says:

        I read somewhere where Paddock supposedly shot 200 rounds at him…sounded like an awful lot but anyway he only ended up getting shot once in the leg when he should have been dead…and why was the door ajar and if so why did the rest of the cops like wait for an hour before they blew the door open…which was supposed to be ajar.
        Citizen journalists gotta keep the pressure on law enforcement to get the story right.

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      • CagBERRY says:

        Did the sec guards have radios? Are there recordings? Did both security guards have room access cards described by sheriff in presser? I guess we’ll know if the shot up security guard goes missing that something is up.

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    • Strike1 says:

      I have another thought. What if he accidentally shot himself in the abdomen from a ricochet off window frame or door handle when shooting at guard?
      This would also explain the sudden stop of his volleys when he had lots of ammo left.
      I’m sticking with abdomen wound and no headshot.

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  19. symsense says:

    Check this link – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMXmUbFhqPM

    at 1:58:50 caller Frank in Florida nails what is going on.

    Earlier Ziiggii posted about video referencing Tropacana. Clearly the police scanner is all over Tropacana.

    Listen to Frank in Florida. This guy knows what he is talking about.

    Thank god for real news!

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  20. Howie says:

    Radicalized Home Grown democrat.

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    • symsense says:

      this is very very doubtful. Why did he leave behind his tannerite!?

      There is a war inside the intelligence agencies. An arms deal was going down and got hijacked.

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      • benifranlkin says:

        u may be right. Paddock was waiting around for several days for the buyers for the guns and ammo and the stuff in his car but someone’s plans changed to thinking it would be far better to kill as many country western loving all American fans as possible…wonder who would think like that.

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  21. G. Combs says:

    A curiosity.
    This guy was firing from two different windows at a rather continuous rate and accurately enough to hit ~400 to 600 people…

    So when did he have time to watch the hall camera?

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  22. Gator says:

    IS this a second shooter on the ground??

    https://streamable.com/amp_player/aswyw

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  23. Pam says:

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  24. People, read the 4chan links posted by mazziflol, Ziiggii, and G.Comb. As you are reading, some posts have jpegs (or whatever) on the upper left beside their posts. Click on these and click on them again to enlarge them enough to be able to read these screen caps. It will be a tedious and hard read, but enough will ring true, if your eyes see and your ears hear.
    It will be self explanatory why PDJT seemed so sad. Unfortunately, he may “rise to the occasion” because he has no other choice. Apparently, he has been horribly betrayed, as have we. Again.

    It wasn’t ISIS. Paddock was just a gun dealer, working for the IC and in this case, the buyer. The posts will explain why no one saw the guns being brought up to his hotel room. They will explain a lot of things. Why he expected to survive and leave alive as he always has in the past.
    This was a false flag in which, once again, Americans died needlessly. Personally, I hope that Paddock is not the man lying, murdered, in that gruesome photograph. God will have justice.

    God Bless our president and give him strength. God help our country and God Bless all of you.
    The worst lies are the lies we tell ourselves.

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    • Molly Pitcher says:

      If this is true, how does a righteous man tell the nation the truth? It’s almost the perfect scenario to control and contain a President. imho

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    • benifranlkin says:

      Sundance would say you are talking in riddles. What is your point? And if it’s a hard read maybe u r forcing yourself to believe what 4 chan is saying.

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      • Not talking in riddles, beni. I’m not by nature very tactful and trying to choose my words carefully while still getting the message across that I’m trying to convey. People can be touchy and I don’t *want* to step on any toes.

        Most of this stuff is stuff that many of us inherently/ instinctively know and/ or fear. It’s kinda obvious that we’re being put on. It’s painful to see people saying “What’s going on? What’s going on?” (“Just tell me.”)

        For some maybe, hard truths. Maybe I should have been more specific (tactless *and* too wordy, so also that). 4 chan is very winding, complicated, and literally branches off almost constantly because of the screen cap pictures. AND you have to discard some nonsense as you go because some people just post shug and there are shills defending the mainstream narrative sometimes a lot. This makes it tedious and hard to read. It can take patience. I’m remiss in that I didn’t say Language WARNING. It can be a rough place. Fortunately, these are cleaner threads- which leads me to think they’re taking this stuff pretty seriously. That + resonance = more credible. to me.

        You don’t have to “make yourself” or *try* to believe anything. Things will either strike familiar/ resonate or they won’t. Or maybe you’ll be jolted out of a sound sleep hours or days later and you’ll have an epiphany. Idk. I am pretty cynical, but some of this stuff is really disturbing that you knew/ suspected/ feared but hoped maybe not this time. It’s depressing, but sadly, not surprising.
        Some of it is very familiar because of 2000-2008. And historical knowledge of Reagan’s presidency (and to some extent, LBJ). This is worse than all that.

        Hope this helps/ makes sense.

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    • Convert says:

      Can you post a link to what you are referring to? I am not familiar with 4chan? And couldn’t make heads or tails….or just give us the Cliff notes version?

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  25. G. Combs says:

    test

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  26. G. Combs says:

    WHY second bedroom rented???

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  27. bessie2003 says:

    Question: Will this “update-Mandalay Bay massacre latest Las Vegas sheriff press conference” become the main place to post new links to news media, stories and information found elsewhere for this subject? Kind of like there is a daily Presidential update for all things President Trump?

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    • benifranlkin says:

      Hope SD post a new thread on the topic…been waiting all night for it since so much unresolved and the speculation interesting

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      • bessie2003 says:

        I went ahead and posted a link on the Hyundai car that another had posted about, as it showed in today’s Reno paper about when that car was bought;

        so was wondering the best place to post new information as it comes available so that we’re not all over the place.

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        • G. Combs says:

          At this point I am using this thread for any discussion on the Mandalay Massacre because it is the latest thread on the subject.

          Others might use the daily thread or the Presidential thread but that gets messy.

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          • bessie2003 says:

            That’s a good idea;

            Similar to the thread on the emails that were recently released. I still slowly going through those so that one thread topic helps not to duplicate what other’s have already found and posted.

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      • G. Combs says:

        Beni,
        I certainly hope more information comes in.

        At this point I see Paddock as a mule for smugglers, then graduating to money launderer, courier and accountant. Possibly detail man checking places out. He gambles and he travels. Those are his interests. I do not see him as a frothing at the mouth SJW liberal.

        I think a deal was going down in Vegas and he got tapped to buy the arms and hand them off. If stuff went as he expected, he would report a ‘break-in’ and theft.

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  28. Watcher says:

    The Four Seasons are the top 5 floors of Mandalay. Who owns the four seasons. Gates & our old hater the prince. Look up too.
    September 2001
    Royal and rich Saudis scrambled to get out of the United States and return home. Seventy-five royals and their entourage, ensconced at Caesars Palace hotel and casino in Las Vegas, decamped within hours of the attacks to the Four Seasons. They felt “extremely concerned for their personal safety,” they explained to the local F.B.I. field office, and bodyguards apparently deemed the Four Seasons more secure.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/08/9-11-2011-201108

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    • G. Combs says:

      The fight between Al-Waleed, owner of the Four Seasons, and Trump is personal.

      Al-Waleed bought President Trump’s boat when he was going through financial difficulties. Remember Saudi Arabia NEVER TOOK REFUGEE ONE! Instead they got shipped to Europe or the USA!!!

      Trump said the shooting attack hurt deeply, ‘personally’. Was that literally true?

      Seems whenever there is an atrocity we trip over Saudis. With the 9/11 attack fifteen of the 19 terrorists were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

      Saudis fund the construction of mosques here in the USA in return for having THEIR RADICAL Imans teach Wahhabism.

      April 16 2016 New York Post How Saudi Arabia Dangerously Undermines the United States

      “[…]I’ve seen Saudi money at work in country after country, from Senegal to Kenya to Pakistan to Indonesia and beyond. Everywhere, their hirelings preach a stern and joyless world, along with the duty to carry out jihad (contrary to our president’s [Obama’s] nonsense, jihad’s primary meaning is not “an inner struggle,” but expanding the reach of Islam by fire and sword)….

      The basic fact our policy-makers need to grasp about the Saudis is that they couldn’t care less about the welfare of flesh-and-blood Muslims (they refuse to take in Syrian refugees but demand Europe do so). What the Saudis care about is Islam in the abstract. Countless Muslims can suffer to keep the faith pure.

      The Saudis build Muslims mosques and madrassas but not hospitals and universities.

      Another phenomenon I’ve witnessed is that the Saudis rush to plant mosques where there are few or no Muslims, or where the Wahhabi cult still hasn’t found roots…..

      our real problem is here and now, in the United States. Consider how idiotic we’ve been, allowing Saudis to fund hate mosques and madrassas, to provide Jew-baiting texts and to do their best to bully American Muslims into conformity with their misogynistic, 500-lashes worldview. Our leaders and legislators have betrayed our fellow citizens who happen to be Muslim, making it more difficult for them to integrate fully into our society…

      we let the Saudis exert control over America’s Muslim communities through their surrogates. No restrictions beyond an occasional timid request to remove a textbook or pamphlet that went too far.

      Think what we’re doing: The Saudis would never let us fund a church or synagogue in Saudi Arabia. There are none. And there won’t be any.[…]” nypost(DOT)com/2016/04/16/how-saudi-arabia-undermines-the-united-states/

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  29. chick20112011 says:

    No “new” info from FBI? The FBI guy reminds me of a SCIENTOLOGY handler. (handler of Sheriff)

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  30. Totally Domestic says:

    Hopefully Isis will get so pissed off for not getting credit for the LV
    massacre, that they will post the live streaming video

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  31. nwtex says:

    I haven’t been paying attention to this LVN shooting primarily because I wouldn’t know to believe….especially this early in the investigation.

    This came up on my home page so I post as a “for what it’s worth” I Don’t know if this receipt is authentic….or if it means anything at all. Probably not….probably just more nonsense with no basis in fact.

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  32. POP says:

    Motive is all that matters.
    Cell phone numbers, text messages, emails, browsing history, deleted computer history, financial history and his brother who knew the 44 (?) gun owner as “not a gun guy”.
    Plus the many camera hotel CTV.

    Then it’s solved.

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  33. mikeydoo says:

    Did anyone else see the desantis interview on Brian Kilmeade last night? DeSantis said that FBI had not looked at computers yet. Are we supposed to believe that? ??

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  34. Howie says:

    Radical Democrat, SDS, Weather Underground, Bill Ayers, Abbie…look at his young years. Weatherman. He just has that odor.

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  35. Mikey says:

    ok, so there is a “mystery woman” that authorities “are trying to identify.” Ummm, why haven’t we seen her picture to help identify?

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  36. Paco Loco says:

    The case is about to break wide open according to Infowars. The ISIS connection.

    https://www.infowars.com/former-trump-campaign-official-claims-las-vegas-shooter-made-isis-tape/

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    • G. Combs says:

      Leaking first to InfoWars, maybe a way to be able to say the idea of a link to islam-Saudis is kooky conspiracy theory. The guy is just a lone wolf nutter.

      Given all the islam bread crumbs, I think the likelihood it is connected to islamic terrorism is true. Also given the ANTIFA threats for November 4th and all the sleeper cells slipped into the USA, a plan for increased violence is certainly a possibility.

      This maybe why the LVMPD looked worried and the Comey/FBI A$$h@t looked so smug.

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  37. Molly Pitcher says:

    Video and Audio Evidence of Two Single Gunshots Being Fired During End of Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Mass Shooting
    Video of two individuals having a conversation below the Mandalay Bay hotel during the Las Vegas Mandalay Bay mass shooting on October 1, 2017. Machine gun firing is taking place throughout the first few minutes of the video up to the 2:56 sec mark. First single shot rings out at the 3:26 sec mark, followed by second single gunshot at the 3:36 sec mark. The sound of machine gun fire is no longer heard for the remaining portion of the video.

    Read more at https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a7_1507294984#r5TzbkGcpG51js0p.99
    So that last burst of fire heard was him shooting in the hallway? It sounded exactly like the same reports rained down on the concert..weird

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