More Details Surface In Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Massacre – Shooter Had Cameras Set Up, 23 Guns…

The latest details from the Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Massacre highlight some alarming possibilities.  It is being reported by several media outlets (AP HERE) and (Daily Mail HERE) that Stephen Paddock had cameras inside and outside the hotel room to monitor and film the carnage.

You might remember the San Bernardino terrorist attack and the FBI reports of recording cameras carried by the shooters.  That story disappeared after several days of investigators looking for possible locations of the cameras in the time the shooters had between the shooting and their eventual death in a hail of gunfire.

Apparently, Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock also used cameras to monitor the halls outside his hotel room and possibly filmed himself:

(Via AP) Authorities say the gunman in the Las Vegas shooting set up cameras inside and outside the hotel room where he opened fire on the crowd at a country music concert.

Sheriff Joe Lombardo said at a news conference Tuesday that he believes shooter Stephen Craig Paddock set up the cameras to see if anyone was coming to take him into custody. He did not release further details. (link)

If Paddock had cameras set up it begs the question: how was he monitoring them?  If a WiFi monitor was set up inside the room, that increases the possibility he was not only recording, but potentially broadcasting his attack.

Authorities say the gunman in the Las Vegas shooting put a camera in a food service cart outside his hotel room.

Sheriff Joe Lombardo also said at a news conference Tuesday that he believes shooter Stephen Craig Paddock had set up cameras inside and outside his room to see if anyone was coming to take him into custody. He did not release further details (link)

(Via Daily Mail)  […] Stephen Paddock, 64, had made millions from real estate deals, according to his brother; he also owned two planes and several properties across the US, and seemed normal apart from his passion for gambling large sums.

But he’d also secretly amassed a massive arsenal of 42 firearms. At least one of those was automatic, while another two had been modified with legal bump-stock devices that allows semi-automatic guns to give full-auto fire of up to 800 rounds a minute. Several had scopes, and packed military-grade ammunition.

He took 23 of those guns into his Mandalay Bay suite over several days and set up two rifles on tripods at windows overlooking the Route 91 Harvest country music festival.

Thousands of rounds of ammunition were also found in the suite, enabling him to fire repeatedly over the course of 72 minutes. His car had several pounds of a fertilizer used in bomb-making.

He also set up a camera in his room,apparently to film the mass murder, and others in the hallway to capture police arriving. Before carrying out the shooting, he used a hammer-like tool to smash out two window in his room which he used to fire out of. (read more)

Additionally, [n]ew photos show the horrifying scene SWAT teams encountered when they blew the door off the Las Vegas shooter’s room and found him dead inside – as authorities reveal the mass murderer set up a camera on a room service cart outside the room to warn him when police arrived.

The photos, leaked Tuesday, show Stephen Paddock’s body on the floor of his suite in the Mandalay Bay resort and casino, which he used as a sniper’s nest to open fire on 22,000 innocent people attending a music festival across the street Sunday night.

(Via NBC) Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock wired $100,000 to an account in his live-in girlfriend’s home country of the Philippines in the week before he unleashed the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history, according to multiple senior law enforcement officials.

But while officials have confirmed that Marilou Danley was in the Philippines on Sunday when Paddock opened fire on a crowd attending a country music festival on the Vegas Strip, it was not known whether the money was for her, her family, or another purpose. (link)

 

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715 Responses to More Details Surface In Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Massacre – Shooter Had Cameras Set Up, 23 Guns…

  1. BigMamaTEA says:

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  2. tuskyou says:

    Hannity cut away so I jumped to cnn and the presser was still going!! The sheriff can’t confirm if the shooter was self taught, no mention of any gun range used but it was asked. Can’t confirm $$$ sent to Philippines cause they’re waiting on financial subpoenas. Few other muffled questions I couldn’t hear. Sheriff urged public to “pay attention to elected officials in the state” because of their partnership/help.

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  3. Adam says:

    Anybody know if he used tracer rounds?

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    • Tejas Rob says:

      Pretty sure that’s a no. Not sure if those are available outside the military anyway.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        Agreed on no tracers, which is part of why the location didn’t become obvious immediately, although we got lucky on a couple of witnesses.

        Tracer rounds can actually be gotten without TOO much difficulty, in a variety of calibers, much like blanks. They’re much more common now than they used to be. But the ones I encounter are primarily military surplus, and not generally stocked at most brick and mortars which sell ammunition, in my experience. I do see them at gun shows and surplus-type sellers, but not with great regularity or abundance. Just checked online – the civilian .223 tracer was out of stock on most sites, but not all:

        http://www.firequest.com/TRA-227.html

        They’re a bit of a novelty, IMO.

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  4. BobW462 says:

    There are several “interesting” tidbits within the crime scene photos; most which have already been touched upon by other commenters in various threads. However, the one thing that really stands out to me is the rifle at Paddock’s feet.

    I find it unlikely that, after shooting himself in the mouth, whether standing, kneeling; or whatever, Paddock’s foot would have found it’s way under that rifle (so neatly) just by chance.

    I have been a first-responder at many self-inflicted gunshot scenes, and I have never witnessed something like what we see here. Of course, my personal experience certainly does not mean that such positioning is impossible, but I do find it more than a little suspicious.

    Just my 2 cents …

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  5. MaineCoon says:

    I think his employment might have been in using those two planes. Short trips To/from places when he didn’t ‘need’ to present a passport. He had a home in Melbourne, FL. I’ve flown in/out of MLB “International” (tongue in cheek) Airport numerous times. It’s international as small planes fly to/from Bahamas or Caribbean Is. Lots of illegal stuff to transport from there.

    He had a home in Mesquite, NV. Also Mesquite, TX (I believe). Had lived in southern California. Little towns, little airports, little planes all bordering Mexico.

    He was a rich guy, without an employment record. He could have been in the illegal transportation business and couldn’t afford to miss work so he had a ‘back-up’ 2nd small plane.

    Along the way he hooked up with the girlfriend….

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  6. BigMamaTEA says:

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  7. cycle1 says:

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    • avgjosephine says:

      Someone will be able to do a deep study on this one. The taxi driver is sitting in the Mandalay entrance area. She drives all around the area and you hear the bursts of gunfire from different locations. I agree. This one is a key recording.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        Yes – that taxi driver recording is AWESOME. There are other bogus things being used to distract, but this one is really great. The audio fully supports a single shooter with mag changes. It ties together a lot of other audio, too.

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      Did you notice how the dispatcher says “What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Everything seems normal when it’s not”. Eerie, given what happened.

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  8. DeWalt says:

    Arms trafficking is my guess as to his source of income. Some years ago in California, a Senator was implicated with a Chinese gang boss (Shrimp Boy) of gun trafficking to the Philippines. Our shooter has ties in California and Philippines. Just a guess.

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  9. keebler AC ovfefe says:

    If you ask me, the guy may have been a millionaire but he was likely bankrupt if he lived large with two private planes, gambled, traveled and prone to excessive spending. Renting those two rooms adjoined to each other is fairly lavish not to mention number of guns owned far beyond normalcy for a regular citizen. He sent $100,000 overseas which may have been a one-time payment for his part in the massacre.

    The cameras inside the hotel rooms was probably for a third party to monitor him closely to ensure he didn’t speak to others. The cameras outside the room in the hallway was again for third party to make sure the area was clear of outside communication. The Paddock guy may not have been permitted to leave his room once checked in.

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  10. Robert McDoulett says:

    Is it possible the elderly Filipina was informed some of her family or their children had been kidnapped and the ransom was a directed massacre? If you have status with the clubs you can get a specific room as an SOP. As proof of the event, a GoPro gets streamed live to whatever terrorist org.
    Basically, it sort of fits, that’s why he used her platinum card to check in to Mandalay Bay. The card gives a number of benefits to high rollers. The stuff that doesn’t fit is the fatigue of shooting some large caliber weapons for a 1000+ rounds. The heat, smoke, kickback, and jamming( ok plenty of weapons but he would have to discard etc.), just would beat this elderly man up. Would be important for Trump to order this investigation to be a high priority as he could demand to inform the nation ASAP. SOme logical explanation needs to be presented with evidence.

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  11. woohoowee says:

    Big money and all the different homes, etc. brings the Awans to mind.

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  12. keebler AC ovfefe says:

    13NEWS reported gunfire not from 4th nor 32nd but from the 7-10th floor. The diagrams they show are interesting in that the people affected were not near the stage closer to Mandalay but at the further edge where the parking lot is located. This means the gun fire had to travel even further.

    Here’s a bird eye view

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    • G. Combs says:

      http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/

      Mentions the need for spotters and other shooting to keep the crowd contained and packed.

      crowd control …. another reason why i don’t think the las vegas shooter acted alone ….
      i am here to say that in a crowd of 22,000 people 400 yards distance it is awfully hard to pick out individuals, let alone specific targets, or to see what the crowd is tending to do: is a group making a dash for a fence, another group on the other side of the crowd heading towards an exit, is a person in charge of security trying to marshal a portion of the crowd to follow his lead towards an exit tunnel? and, to try and watch all of this with a view to keeping everybody all gathered and grouped together so they can be fired upon is awfully tough.

      i think in order to command the crowd as he must have done, to have kept all those people in front of his rifles so that he could shoot them, demanded an awareness of what they were doing that he could not have exercised by himself.

      he had to have had help watching them. he had to have had spotters to watch the crowd, and to direct his fire to a certain portion of the crowd to keep them down, and in front of them. i watched a short film tonight of some people getting up, and edging away from where they were exposed, only to come under fire again, causing them to hit the ground and huddle in fetal positions, hoping for the best. it was the reaction you would expect of soldiers coming under artillery fire in the open, with no place to hide. if you ever watched a herd of sheep being driven by a good sheep dog, you will see the one on the outside trying to get to the safety of the inside of the flock, at the expense of crowding those out already in the center of the flock. the dog watches this, and exploits it.

      i am told by the talking heads that the shooting went on for some time, without the crowd rushing for cover. or, trying to escape the venue….”

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      • keebler AC ovfefe says:

        The gunshots from 32nd floor were extremely loud, too loud at that distance.

        Someone mentioned it’s 4 football lengths! I agree they would have needed spotters to keep it dense for shooting, but if there weren’t any real shots and people injured, then people were confused and stayed put. 500 injuries could mean a scraped knee kind and the hospital wouldn’t be able to confirm 500 flooded their emergency ward. No reports from hospitals on the extent of this massive scale. 500! No one could tell you if 58 really died or not because they’re from out of town and shipped back home for “funeral”. I didn’t see ambulances. Even the local taxi driver said it was bizarre. Definitely people were scared, but they were spooked. The photos of the area didn’t show a lot of injured or dead. I don’t know what to make of this.

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  13. Lucille says:

    Liz Wheeler has a few questions for liberals who are calling for gun control! WATCH:

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  14. Hmmmm…..now this is interesting….

    “An Iraq war veteran was in his room at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, during the October 1 massacre that left 59 people dead and over 500 injured. He has come forward with a shocking revelation about the attack, and this changes everything about what you previously heard.

    According to Daily Mail, Chris Bethel, an Iraq war veteran who was in Las Vegas for an IT convention, was in his room at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino the night that 64-year-old Stephen Paddock launched the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. Bethel’s room was just a couple of floors beneath Paddock’s, according to CBS Dallas-Fort Worth.

    During a recent interview with CBS, Bethel made a shocking revelation. Right after the shooting started, he called the police, the hotel across the street, and the Mandalay Bay front desk in a frantic attempt to tell someone exactly where the shooter was located.

    Stephen Paddock’s room was not breached until 72 minutes after the first call was made to police. Bethel wants to know why it took over an hour to take Paddock down. Police received their first report of gunfire at the music festival at 10:08 p.m.

    According to CBS Dallas-Fort Worth, Paddock’s room was not breached by Las Vegas SWAT officers until 72 minutes later. Bethel is asking why the first responding officers to Paddock’s room were not allowed to engage him.”

    http://symbolofstrength.info/2017/10/03/watch-iraq-war-veteran-staying-in-mandalay-bay-hotel-makes-shocking-revelation-about-attack/

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    • Regina says:

      and at last presser they didn’t confirm the time of SWAT entry, correct??

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    • mariner says:

      The short answer is that the SWAT doesn’t stand around a hotel waiting to be called. Its officers are off duty or have regular duties elsewhere.

      In order to be deployed first they must leave their normal duties and go to a muster point, where they will change clothes, don body armor and other gear. Then they’ll be transported to the hotel, and finally they’ll locate and breach the shooter’s suite.

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    • Archie says:

      I saw a report of a cop reporting the shooting location within 42 seconds. The cops blew it. Give the weapons to some citizens and they would have stormed the room and at least distracted the killer from killing innocents. Or, first responders and then SWAT could have thrown 100 flash bangs in a row into the hallway until they were ready for the breech. Shock and awe instead of whimper and futz around. Every cop has a rifle and a shotgun in their car. Launch a fusillade of bullets and he might have committed suicide 30 mins earlier.
      Sorry, the cops didn’t perform.

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  15. mikeydoo says:

    Can we discuss how bizarre that last press conference was? The undersheriff looked like he was going to explode.

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  16. millwright says:

    How do you “knock out” hotel windows on a high-rise hotel ? I would think they would be hardened against that very thing for a variety of safety and insurance reasons. And how do you do it so no one apparently hears it or sees it or finds fragments on the ground ?

    The more I see, hear and read the more the “official story line, the media story line, and the political story lines all stink ! Occam’s Razor logic dictates the whole thing is “too cute ” i.e. contrived .

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  17. citizen817 says:

    I’m not one who normally goes in for conspiracy theories. All signs thus far point to multiple shooters. It is possible that one of the people that were killed…was of importance to someone.
    Maybe we should be looking at the history of one of those people.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      I was on Thomas Wictor’s timeline as the audio came in. The audio is one shooter. It is very clear. Some audio shows echoes, and the echoes are always clearest in the mag-change pauses. Mag changes are around 100 rounds – ALWAYS. Pictures show 100 round mags in a STACK. The 100 round burst start up and stall with changes in fire rate, as expected for bump-fire, and the main weapon shows a bump-fire stock. One of the disinformation ops tries to pain a frequency change as two weapons, but it is not – it’s the same weapon changing frequency in the audio due to some kind of change in the sound path, such as a reflection.

      This stuff is ALL disinformation. We know what the real issue is – it’s the sketchy shooter himself, and his sketchy GF.

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      • Guy-Blanc Déploré says:

        I think you have it pretty well sorted and find myself in agreement.

        I believe some of the difference in sound people are hearing is the difference between the slap of the actual bullets hitting things, (ground, people, structures) and the report of the rifle firing or it’s echoes. Maybe even the hiss and crack of still supersonic projectiles flying mixed in there as well.

        For sure you’re right about the slightly wobbly cyclic rate caused by the bump fire, 100% I hear that too.

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  18. scarface says:

    both the shooter and his brother have a circular scar over the eyebrow similar to john McCain’s scar.

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  19. “SOTN Major Update:
    The following video presents irrefutable evidence that an automatic weapon was fired from the 4th floor, not the 32nd floor, of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino as reported by law enforcement. This, of course, means that Stephen Paddock is an FBI-selected patsy. Hence, the official narrative already begins to fall apart within 24 hours of this complex criminal conspiracy.

    False Flag Validated: Shots Fired from 4th Floor, NOT 32nd (Video proof conclusive)”

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85146

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      That site is BSing. There IS no video proof there.

      Worse still, there is no line of sight to actually snipe from the 4th floor. In fact, the 10th floor (the other major disinfo floor) is ALSO impossible to snipe from. Even the 14th floor is terrible. They don’t start getting usable until around 19 or 20, in my opinion. AND the pictures prove those windows were never breached.

      This is all disinformation. ALL. It is HILLARY-SPONSORED disinformation, just like the overblown Pizzagate stuff that was used to distract Wikileaks examination and discredit the right.

      The only good part is this. They are dumping MASSIVE disinformation because we are way way way over the target. Bust this thing, and Deep State crashes and burns. That is why we need to push like h377. We’re going to BUST THEM this time.

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  20. scott467 says:

    Daily Mail: “But he’d also secretly amassed a massive arsenal of 42 firearms.”

    _________________

    42 guns is by no means a “massive arsenal”. Many collectors have hundreds, sometimes thousands of firearms.

    Many people buy two or three of each firearm they possess. In the case of a pistol, one might be used for the range, one might be used for everyday carry, and the third is a back-up in case either of the first two need to go in for servicing / repairs, and/or used for parts.

    Many collectors have at least 3 or 4 AR15s, 3 or 4 AK47s, 3 or 4 shotguns (Remington, Mossberg, Benelli, etc.), 3 or 4 bolt action hunting rifles, assorted .22 caliber target shooting rifles, a couple of .308 AR-type rifles (look like an AR15 but a little bigger and heavier, designed to shoot the .308 round, a.k.a. AR10).

    Then you have the handguns. A couple of revolvers, a .380 pocket gun, at least several Glocks (.380 ACP, 9mm, 45 ACP being the most common calibers, multiple models for most calibers), Smith & Wesson M&P (full size, compact and subcompact M&P Shield) in several calibers, Colt 1911 (so named for the year it first went into service and still loved by many today), and on and on. You can get to 42 firearms easy, even if you just buy 4 or 5 per year, and that’s easy to do, especially if you buy two or three of the same gun as described above.

    It would only be described as a “massive arsenal” by a NY or CA or DC Leftist (reporter or politician) who knows nothing at all about guns.

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    “At least one of those was automatic, while another two had been modified with legal bump-stock devices that allows semi-automatic guns to give full-auto fire of up to 800 rounds a minute. Several had scopes, and packed military-grade ammunition.”

    _______________

    I would LOVE to know what the author means by “military-grade ammunition”.

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    “He took 23 of those guns into his Mandalay Bay suite over several days and set up two rifles on tripods at windows overlooking the Route 91 Harvest country music festival.”

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    The rifle in the photo has a TWO-pronged support near the muzzle.

    TWO = BIPOD.

    Three would be a trIpod.

    Tripods are commonly used for cameras, so they can stand alone.

    Bipods are commonly used for rifles, because the stock of the rifle acts as the third leg when it is not lifted to the shooter’s shoulder.

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    • mariner says:

      I was once acquainted with an older man who didn’t need to worry about his next meal, and he had an entire room of his house fortified for firearms storage.

      He had literally hundreds of firearms, collected over ~70 years.

      I suspect “military-grade ammunition” is media-speak for “ammunition similar in size and shape to that used in some military firearms”.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        It’s just .223 Remington / 5.56 NATO. It is basically the same round, with minor differences in standards of performance. They were developed together. Most people who shoot the round(s) use the terms interchangeably. In many cases, the “civilian” .223 round is actually more powerful or more deadly than the military round. So the use of “military” makes little sense other than politcs. Hunting rounds are generally deadlier to people, IMO. Personal defense and law enforcement rounds, deadlier still. “Military” is being used as a scare tactic, and for political ends.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Great point about bipod versus tripod. The bipod is almost a necessity for prone shooting with a .223, perhaps more so as a varmint rifle than as a military weapon. I actually favor the good old reliable “back pocket bipod” for outdoors use – just a plastic spring-loaded bipod that can be put under any gun barrel for a good resting shot. Many people now use front handles that have an internal bipod that pops out. Kinda neat trick, but I think they look ugly, personally, and are not as functional as wider dedicated bipods.

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  21. For those of you who don’t “do” FB, this is a screen-shot of a Google search done on “Stephen Paddock: What we know about Las Vegas.” The first 3 results – CNN – dated September 29; on 1430wcmy.com – dated September 29; on news.jooj.com.us – dated September 30.

    Posted by Phil Detrick with this comment: “This is how deep state works – they always screw up and post the stories with the dates before it happens….I have seen this in the past several times.”

    Also, J.B. Williams of the North American Law Center (NALC) also believes this was a false flag.

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  22. scott467 says:

    Daily Mail: “Thousands of rounds of ammunition were also found in the suite…”

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    Thousands of rounds of ammo is also common (though NOT in your hotel suite).

    Ammo is often purchased in bulk 1,000 round cases because it’s cheaper that way, and when it costs 25¢ (up to $2.00 or more for some ammo) every time you pull the trigger, most people are at least somewhat cost-conscious.

    When ammo goes on sale, maybe you buy a case (1,000 rounds). It adds up.

    If you go to the shooting range just once a month, and go through just 200 rounds each time, that’s 2,400 rounds per year. And that’s just for ONE firearm.

    If you have an AR15, an AK47, a 12-gauge shotgun, a .38 / .357 revolver, and pistols in .380 ACP, 9mm and 45 ACP, and you have ONLY one case of ammo for each, that’s 7,000 rounds of ammunition right there.

    That’s not uncommon.

    Or even double that amount.

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  23. keebler AC ovfefe says:

    The victims? Conveniently out of towners so no one can check. Listen to the strange lady being interviewed. One of the girls in the hospital has last name “Gasper”. Some kind of crazy joke going on. Where are the videos of ambulances? I hope President Trump sends someone to check out the main hospital in LV.

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    • Right Mover says:

      So what, why don’t you think the last name “Gasper” is valid? I know someone who lives three towns away from me who has that very name.

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      • keebler AC ovfefe says:

        It’s a pattern of things. Did you watch the woman being interviewed? I guess you’d call that normal too where she glances to see if the interviewer believes her tale.

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        • Right Mover says:

          Just saying that Gasper is a fairly common last name. Look it up on Anywho. There are scores of ’em. You make it sound like the name is “Art Vandelay” or something.

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    • backwoodsgirl123 says:

      That Paige Gasper looks an awful lot like the woman from Orlando that got shot in the back, and the bullet is still in her! They showed her on CBS News tonight in the hospital.

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  24. “FALSE FLAGS” are LEGAL PROPAGANDA PRODUCED by the Department of Defense

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=29475

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    • keebler AC ovfefe says:

      I’m not a 911 disbeliever but then again, I didn’t think Sandy Hook was false flag either until I saw the same crisis actors show up. That is a very enlightening read as to how and why the planners get away with it.

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      • mariner says:

        Another giveaway is the “anti-terror training” that just so happens to be a mile or so away from the scene on that exact day. It’s the excuse quick response. That happened at “Sandy Hook” too.

        I was online when the San Bernardino shooting took place, and guess what? There was an anti-terror exercise a short distance away at that exact time, and the excellent response was attributed to it.

        Within an hour or two of the shooting, one of the survivors was interviewed and she described the shooters–three young men, tall and physically fit, dressed in all-black clothing and wearing pullover masks.

        That interview aired once or twice and then disappeared forever.

        Later that day when the police cornered and killed the alleged terrorists, there were only two, one man and one woman, neither tall nor physically fit.

        And of course the calls for gun control again came thick and fast.

        Pretty well done. Somebody does the shooting, then the police get to kill the Muslim couple and crow about the contents of their apartment, and everybody goes home happy–except the people killed or injured in the holiday party shooting.

        I agree that the emerging story of Stephen Paddock get smellier by the minute.

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  25. kea25252014 says:

    This is a silly thing but he’s wearing gloves that look to be cotton. Now I know not to burn himself but did he still have both gloves on when he ‘shot’ himself OR did he take one of the gloves off? Are we sure he’s right handed? I know most people are but what a twist that would be if he was left handed. Also with the gloves my first thought was they look like cotton so it can be easily pulled onto a dead body.

    And wouldn’t he need protection for his ears?

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    • scott467 says:

      “And wouldn’t he need protection for his ears?”

      ____________

      Yes, good point.

      Even if you didn’t plan on surviving the night, he would have practically deaf (and probably in a lot of pain) after the first minute, firing weapons like that inside a closed space.

      I was just reading a well-known police/fugitive report the other day where the officer fired his Glock 21 (.45 ACP) twelve times from inside his patrol car, shooting through his own windshield, at an attacker who was firing at the officer as the attacker ran towards the patrol car.

      https://us.glock.com/products/model/g21
      (Glock 21 magazines hold 13 rounds, but apparently this officer routinely loaded only 12 rounds into his magazines)

      The perpetrator ran out of ammo at the same time as the officer did. The perp returned to his own car to get another gun, giving the officer time to get out of his vehicle and take cover (not sure why he didn’t use his vehicle as a battering ram at that point, but that’s not what he did).

      The officer eventually won the ongoing gunfight, where a total of 58 rounds were exchanged in what was claimed to be 56 seconds (IIRC, here is the article: https://americanhandgunner.com/the-lessons-of-tim-gramins/ ).

      The officer suffered permanent hearing loss in one ear, from the initial 12 shots he fired from inside the confines of his patrol car.

      Shooting several thousand rifle rounds inside a hotel room?

      If the shooter didn’t have hearing protection, I would expect him to be completely deaf by that point, and not just deaf, but probably in a lot of pain (ear drum pain).

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      • FofBW says:

        I can relate to that. Had an m60 machine gun muzzle going off a couple of feet from my ear. It HURTS!

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      • mariner says:

        Our soldiers don’t wear hearing protection either.

        In WWII they used the M-1 Garand, which fires basically a 30-06 round.

        In Viet Nam they used M-16s that fire ammunition very similar than that used in Las Vegas.

        (Of course they’re not shooting from inside a car.)

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        • scott467 says:

          Very much agreed.

          Though I would still want to wear some kind of hearing protection in the military, the decibels of sound should be considerably lower at the shooter’s ear than near (or in front of) the muzzle, when fired in an outdoor setting.

          But when weapons are fired indoors (inside a car, or inside a room, in a home or hotel) much more of that sound coming (primarily) from the muzzle end of the gun is reflected back toward the shooter.

          Like shouting inside an echo chamber, or for a more common analogy, a phone booth (remember phone booths? If not for movies, nobody today would believe they ever existed, lol!)

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          • scott467 says:

            Here’s a better example that just occurred to me.

            Set off an old inch-and-a-half firecracker in the street.

            Now go inside, into a downstairs half-bathroom for example, close the door, and set off that same inch-and-a-half firecracker.

            It’s going to sound a LOT LOUDER when that explosion goes off in the bathroom than it did outside.

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    • wheatietoo says:

      Cotton gloves…

      This would give an ‘explanation’ for lack of finger prints on weapons…if they were wiped clean.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        The glove on the left hand is essential. Even the barrel shroud will get too hot to handle with 10-30 rounds going through it. By the time the shooter got to the second 100-round magazine, it would be stove-top temperatures. This guy had obviously shot at the various machine-gun ranges in Vegas, and KNEW what it was like to run a lot of rounds through a weapon.

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          The brother admitted he had been shooting machine guns in Vegas in his second interview. If you haven’t watched it is is worth watching.

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      • georgiafl says:

        Possibly SILICONE gloves.

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  26. MfM says:

    I was just thinking about why SWAT took so long to breach his room. They were certain they had the right room, they may have even been talking to him.

    He’d stopped shooting out the windows so there was no need to rush him. They didn’t know if he’d sabotaged the doors so they were taking their time.

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  27. not sure if this has been brought up…but in the “snipers nest” cut away graphic…theres a room next door that has the word “stairs” in it….fire escape stairwell? assuming the cut away is correct…it would seem possible that if there were others involved they could have used this to get away moments before the cops arrived.

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  28. dustycowpoke says:

    What about the smoke/fire alarms in the shooter’s room? Surely, they would have gone off and alerted the front desk. I smell a fish.

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    • wheatietoo says:

      There were early reports that the fire alarm going off in that room is how the police were able to pinpoint that’s where the shooter was.

      The police chief later said he ‘didn’t know anything about that’…which was weird.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        There are supposedly smoke alarms in the rooms, and that was how they pinpointed the room, as you say. But I think they want to keep a lot of that sort of stuff secret in Vegas, so it does not surprise me that he would not answer. If they made the mistake of saying “fire alarm” instead of smoke alarm, then a classic evasion would be to say what he did – “I don’t know anything about that”. It denies on a technicality and disinvites follow-up. (I know how this stuff is done – I had “management” when I worked! 😉 )

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    • mariner says:

      They did, probably delayed by the broken windows.

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  29. wheatietoo says:

    Just In…Girlfriend of shooter is reported to be back in the US.

    Police met her at the airport.

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  30. kea25252014 says:

    I know what’s bugging me about this pic: https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/mandalay-bay-massacre-11-hotel-2.jpg

    Your moving around two rooms. The ammo is neatly pilled up. Guns are everywhere. Yet look the suitcase is in the way. You have everything ready and you don’t want to fall over a suitcase yet there it is. That looks staged.

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    • keeler says:

      Suitcase is not in the way.

      To the right of the suitcase is the leftmost broken window. You can determine this by matching the photos to the room diagram and the location of the pillars

      Suitcase—-Left Window—-Right Window. Would not have been in the way if he was moving between windows.

      Now that being said, I still think the couch was an area of activity. One photo shows a pile of throw pillows on the floor that probably were on the couch, and the curtains have been pulled from behind the couch and draped over its arm. The photos suggest he cleared the couch and used the window for something.

      He may have used this area to store magazines or firearms, but the curtain’s displacement suggests the window behind the couch was used for observation or possibly to mount some of the reported camera equipment.

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      • kea25252014 says:

        I agree with you that the couch was used. You would think that he might have barricaded the door.

        Maybe the suitcase was not in the way but just that it was there. I would have thought it would have bene put away with the pillows. You’d think he’d want everything ready to go. I don’t know I just found it odd. I mean if it had things he needed why not put it on the couch or a chair or a desk. Either way fishy story.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          The suitcase looks like it was simply “in hurried use”. He was down on the floor – possibly during a mag change – and had to grab something from the suitcase. Could have been to retrieve a pistol when he heard a knock at the door. Something like that.

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  31. wolfmoon1776 says:

    Having great experience with Cankles, Deep State, and their image disinformation campaigns (e.g., Roseburg, when they positively flooded this site), I am declaring all-out war on the disinformation they are dumping on Mandalay Bay.

    Sundance is on the right track going after the shooter, the GF, and the actual crime scene. The real evidence being reported by honest LE – that is where to focus your efforts. Follow the REAL sketchy (like Weiner/Abedin laptop), not the tantalizing “pizzagate” fake sketchy, which we can see was used to target credibility. In this case, the sketchy shooter and GF are the story. NOT crazy theories of multiple shooters analogous to the “Hillary double”.

    AVOID THE DISTRACTO.

    Remember – they had far-out theories of Hillary’s “secret scrolling lectern” in the debates, when she was actually covering up Parkinsonian pill-rolling tremor – a far worse scenario for her. STAY WITH REALITY AND WE WIN.

    Even a basic image search tells the real story on this one. There are not other “broken windows”.
    There are not even “open windows” (which is what you see in the disinfo images).

    Current and immediate pictures of the windows showed ALL INTACT except the two broken ones on the 32nd floor. They also show rather dramatically (because you can’t even see it from a distance) that the “10th floor” area is entirely worthless for sniping.

    STAY WITH THE REAL STORY.

    Here is the source of one of the FAKE images being used to distract.

    Here is a REAL NEWS photo from an Australian paper.

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  32. bessie2003 says:

    This article in the Reno Gazette-Journal says that the shooter purchased guns at a Cabela’s store in Reno as well as other stores in Mesquite, Phoenix and Utah.

    http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2017/10/03/las-vegas-shooting-paddock-purchased-guns-cabelas-near-reno/729814001/

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  33. wolfmoon1776 says:

    Thomas Wictor has an excellent thread killing all the disinformation theories they are throwing at us to keep us off the trail. I was following Wictor on Twitter as the Las Vegas events unfolded, and he was listening to audio. He called it right from the beginning. 100 round mags of AR with bump-fire stock, single shooter.

    SD is ON THE TRAIL. How do I know this? THIS SITE was called out as “fake news” on Fox News over the Puerto Rico stuff. That is how they do it – go after a DIFFERENT story to call you fake news, to avoid the story they’re actually sensitive on, which I believe is the Mandalay Bay shooter.

    SD is revealing the real sketchy, and this is scaring the left. This is definitely activating the Cankles/Brock/Podesta crew, because this disinfo is CLASSIC Obama/Hillary stuff – smells just like all their other operations.

    STAY WITH THE REAL STORY. STAY OFF THEIR DIVERSIONS.

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    • Howie says:

      This shows that his target was the Infidels inside the concert. From his perch there were many other target to shoot at but he only shot at the concert attendees.

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      Sundance is now so woke he is being linked to on Infowars.

      The fact that Fox called Sundance fake tells me without an ounce of question Fox is a compromised news source to the core.

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  34. wolfmoon1776 says:

    OK – I will caution that this is a CONSPIRACY THEORY. However, it is one of the first that I’ve seen that tries to explain the cameras. So I wanted to share it, even though I can spot 1000 holes in the story. Treat as toxic, but consider that in looking for holes, it may open up some valid questions, such as HOW and WHEN he mounted the cameras, and for what purposes.

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      Disinformation campaigns usually consider some truths (like most liars do) in an effort to obtain credibility. That way they are not easily dismissed in entirety.

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  35. The Judge says:

    MOTIVE: Professional” (?) gambler who probably had personal and financial problems with the gambling moguls. He revenges his hate for them by attacking Las Vegas, the icon of the gambling world. Wanted to disrupt LV revenue by scaring off tourists. SIMPLE.

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    • Howie says:

      Motive was to kill as many Trump voters as possible. He was a radicalized democrat. A muzz would not care who the victims voted for.

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  36. andi lee says:

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  37. Guy-Blanc Déploré says:

    Ok, I’ve just gotta get this off my chest.

    Much has been made of how many guns the guy had up there and how it was way more than he could possibly need. Wrong.

    Given the detailed planning shown in every other aspect of this attack, it seems clear the shooter understood how severely AR gas systems can heat up under sustained fire. He brought enough guns to let them COOL DOWN as he rotated through them.

    That explains the glove, too. Fire 100+ rounds sustained through an AR and you’ll be begging for an oven mitt, even with the handguard in place.
    Note the red glow of the gas tube as it heats up to the point of failure in this 56 second video:

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    • Guy-Blanc Déploré says:

      Also notice the guy in the vid keeping his hand way the hell away from the handguard, even while wearing gloves.

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      • angelwhiskers says:

        Looks like mechanics gloves. Great grip and insulated. Cotton, a plumber I used to work with would use them to solder copper joints and wipe the excess solder off as he worked. I would never uses cotton gloves when hunting , the cotton weave stretches and grip is lost.Gardening only goat skin is thin enough for delicate work even when wet. The cotton gloves seem all wrong to me.

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    • Guy-Blanc Déploré says:

      Bonus vid to check out if interested: First two mins are interesting, jump to ~7:30 to see the muzzle brake blow off & gas system melt. https://youtu.be/BSizVpfqFtw

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