Former DNI James Clapper Denies Knowledge of Manafort FISA Warrant…

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper appears on CNN last night to deny knowledge of the wiretapping of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

In March Clapper stated he would specifically have known if a FISA warrant was issued against any Trump campaign officials. Last night Clapper stated he held no knowledge of the FISA warrant. Clapper is walking through a legal minefield. WATCH:


It is important to remember that FBI Director James Comey stated on March 20th 2017 he briefed the DNI (James Clapper) and the National Security Adviser (Susan Rice) on the details of the counter intelligence operation. By all intents and appearances the statement last night by Clapper denying knowledge is essentially refuting James Comey’s earlier testimony and throwing Comey under the bus.

They both cannot be telling the truth.

Either Comey told Clapper which means Clapper is lying.  Or Comey never told Clapper, which provides evidence of the FBI collusion with the White House; and the FBI working as a rogue intelligence agency for political targeting.

In the abstract the Obama authorized wiretapping of a Trump campaign official is alarming. However when these recent revelations are added to FBI James Comey admitting to keeping the investigations hidden from congressional oversight an even more alarming picture emerges.

Watch the first 3 minutes:


Add James Clapper’s statements together with James Comey’s admissions, then overlay the unmasking requests from Susan Rice and Samantha Power and the weaponization of U.S. intelligence for political purposes becomes clear.

…But it’s actually worse. The Obama administration officials may claim they held not weaponized intent to conduct surveillance on their political opposition, but that denial runs into the reality of their prior use of the IRS to target their political opponents:

Now, ask yourself:  Why would Lois Lerner be delivering 21 CD-ROMs of data, lists of every American who joined arms with the Tea Party, to Eric Holder in the FBI ?

WASHINGTON […] “After the Justice Department turned over the database to the Oversight Committee this month in response to a subpoena, the Justice Department says it was informed by IRS officials that it contains legally protected taxpayer information that should not have ever been sent to the FBI and it now plans to return the full database to the IRS,” a statement from the oversight committee said.

According to material obtained by the committee, the IRS sent the FBI “21 disks constituting a 1.1 million page database of information from 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.”

The transaction occurred in October 2010.  (link)

Add it all up and there’s no denying the larger issues….

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332 Responses to Former DNI James Clapper Denies Knowledge of Manafort FISA Warrant…

  1. Brant says:

    I do hate to be so cynical, but I wonder if all these (and any future) MSM revelations are basically “in your face/you can’t touch us” reportage? Basically sticking out their tongue at the American people. If so, that is so very depressing. Totally totally criminal and easily RICO type charges and nothing will ever happen.

    I guess the only thing that would change it is get lots and lots of real pro America people in congress. Perhaps the AL Senate race can be a good call to arms of what will happen next year. Here’s hoping.

    Liked by 7 people

    • trialbytruth says:

      That kind of tongue wagging was hard on the French monarchs. They all ended up a head shorter. When the electorate looks like hungry wolves behind a three foot fence its a bad idea to toss fresh meat.

      Liked by 4 people

      • Problem is in all likely hood they would not get the principal actors in the conspiracy just the visible idiots.


      • JL says:

        Sadly, like the French monarchy, many Obamacrats think they are untouchable.

        That is one unhappy Clapper. Very different from March. The prospect of what is coming is weighing heavily on him. I feel pity for them. They have sown the wind.

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        • carrierh says:

          JL, please note that Clapper consistently keeps looking down which is a major sign of lying like a carpet on the floor. He knew and knows he is in deep doodoo along with Comey and why both the FBI and CIA must be cleansed or all current employees, and only the new chief of FBI to stay and help Trump locate and hire truly patriot personnel for the FBI and at the same time reduce employment where not needed staff-wise in either agency.

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    • MVW says:

      I see nothing that makes a change (Obama’s DOJ or Sessions’ DOJ) to the DOJ practice of ‘Two Tier Justice,’ one for the politically connected – thus protected from the law, the other for the politically incorrect or just poor – thus not protected by the law.

      ‘Two Tier Justice’ = Tyranny, not Government for, by, and of the People.

      At some point either the DOJ will have to fix this or DJT will have to step in and drain the Septic Swamp in his own house – Session’s DOJ.

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    • TPW says:

      What you just said is why the good citizen gets it up the rear end. If we stand by and let things go unpunished it will only get worse ….to the point of us being mere serfs. We have to make sure more people are aware then someone who has a big megaphone needs to organize an “equal justice under the law movement”. We can not just say well…we will vote out the bad vote in the good. The honest broker politician will either be corrupted or remain neutered by being left off of committees or any position of importance. Then there are the issues of Funding of Patriot candidates …rigged elections. It is so important to put a stop to this while we have Trump. Pray for that Patriot organizer with a megaphone…..our numbers and impact could be “HUGE” if only…..

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    • VVV says:

      ” Clapper is walking through a legal minefield”. With Sessions as AG he has nothing to worry about.


    • Rgeno says:

      So where is AG Sessions?


  2. Abster says:

    Obama and his posse lie so much they don’t even know when they are lying. I am so disgusted this continues and there are still no consequences.

    Liked by 3 people

    • paulyho39 says:

      I have to agree! It is beyond disgusting and disappointing! I can’t believe a WORD that Clapper says..I can’t forget the image of him before Congress rubbing his forehead and very duplicitously giving what was obviously a false answer! That is Clapper in his “can’t quite tell the truth here” persona!

      Liked by 5 people

      • nimrodman says:

        he said something like he was trying to frame the “least untruthful” answer

        Liked by 3 people

        • Abster says:

          Yes, who on earth would say that other than a professional liar. I have lost all faith and trust in these people. Thank God for President Trump.

          Liked by 2 people

          • JAG says:

            The whole cabal is “Riding the Tiger”. Once you’re on the Tigers’ back, you cannot fall off or the Tiger turns and kills you. Daniel Greenfield has an excellent article on why all the lies, deceits and witch hunts continue and why they must take DJT out. If they don’t, they are off the Tiger and it strikes with deadly accuracy.



            • Abster says:

              I always worry about President Trump’s safety. This is a breed of evil like no other. They will stop at nothing. I pray for President Trump every single day. Hope everyone here does as well.

              Liked by 10 people

            • WSB says:

              From the article:

              “The left is sitting on the biggest crime committed by a sitting president. The only way to cover it up is to destroy his Republican successor.

              A turning point in history is here.

              If Obama goes down, the left will go down with him. If his coup succeeds, then America ends.”

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              • Summer says:

                There is a snowball chance in hell the former black president would ever be allowed to go down. Not going to happen. At best, one or two henchmen would receive a slap on the wrist. Also, keep in mind that Obama used to find out about his own administration’s criminal activity from his morning newspaper. He dindu nuffin.

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      • MVW says:

        The word of one proven liar vs the word of another proven liar. Both should get jail time.

        I don’t trust the DOJ then or now. Trump I trust, nearly the only one I trust. I also trust Kelly.

        Delayed justice is only a bit better than quick, sure justice.

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      • brh82 says:

        If Sessions had earlier done anything about the major crooks, we would have lacked several important revelations that have surfaced recently. “Patience is a virtue” and we may be too hasty with damning Jeff Sessions. The revelations keep on coming, with no end in immediate sight.

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  3. Hillbillysailor says:

    To this sounds like there was a FISA warrant on Manafort. This gives him deniability on his previous statements as well as any actions. Clapper appeared to be very specific that there was not one on Trump, Trump Tower, or the Trump Campaign. The media is like, Trump lied.” They are being deliberately obtuse…at best.


  4. d2i says:

    What Trump witnessed long before he rode down the escalator at Trump Tower was there was/is a very real underground, shadow of lawless people holding the levers of power from the WH to Congress to Governors to Judges and so on. Some refer to this entity as a shadow government or the establishment or New World Order.

    This rather large group of lawyers, doctors, congress critters, judges, lobbyists, former Prez’s/VP’s and their cabinet members, nonprofit leaders, military contractors, corporate media, corporations that are now ‘people too’, bankers and more sole goal was/is to remove constitutional governance from the American landscape and replace it with their own technocratic/neoliberal/neocon form of government. PERIOD.

    This cabal exists and the sorry ‘Third Way’ LOSER was to be the one to usher in this new form of government since it is she and hubby who created, advocated and sold the vision to a bunch of folk back in the early 90’s, and as many have written this force got legs following JFK’s assassination, who hold no loyalty whatsoever to America, our founding documents, our founding forefathers nor our founders vision.

    In order for this cabal to achieve their wet dream to rule over the entirety of the world, which would eventually fall on the shoulders of their children to continue to lead, they had to break a lot of laws, ingratiate themselves via the taxpayers trough to enrich themselves, slowly water down constitutional law, destroy the cohesion of American cultural/educational/social life, reduce the number of American children being born so as to make the case for increased numbers of legal/illegal immigrants, reduce wages, increase debt and so much more.

    As Sundance has written a gazillion times Trump’s win, at least temporarily and let’s pray on bended knee permanently, thwarted this cabal’s efforts. And as SD has also said over and again there are TRILLIONS at stake. SD is spot on in his observation and analysis.

    All of this said, you don’t take down a cabal of treasonous swamp rastards overnight. You may wish for that but that is not the way law works. And to suggest AG Sessions is just sitting quietly in his office twiddling his thumbs is just silly.

    RICO, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, is the only kind of investigation that makes any sense as it relates to crippling, weeding out and thoroughly destroying this cabal. Not an investigation solely focused on one critter or another but on ALL OF THEM.

    And the only way American’s will win our country back without firing a shot is to give this time, have a great deal of faith, learn to be patient, pray, support and try as you might, trust the man you put in the White House, and vote for the individuals he is putting his weight behind in the upcoming elections.

    We didn’t get here overnight. It took decades for this cabal to solidify and implement their underhanded, sinister coup. We are living in pre revolutionary times, folks. If Trump and Team are successful in rooting out this Anti-American Pro-Globalist Cabal then we have a shot at making sure future generations of Americans can thrive as proud citizens of the USA.

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    • lastinillinois says:

      Outstanding post.

      Liked by 3 people

      • reader(UK) says:

        And the success or otherwise of Trump’s agenda will resonate and change the rest of the world. We’re praying with you daily for your President, and that God will strengthen the week knees of our political leaders on this side of the Atlantic.

        Liked by 10 people

        • d2i says:

          You are one very wise soul. Voters who put Trump into the WH on Nov 8, 2016 indeed bought the citizens of the world a wee bit of time (if not a kabosh on the entire global matrix) from the final realization of this dastardly Globalist march toward one world rule. These voters, and they are growing in number, hold the fate of this wondrous world’s future in their hands. Here’s to hoping they/we get the power they/we wield at this most critical time of humankind’s journey. I hold great faith they do…

          Liked by 2 people

        • WSB says:

          PT was signaling that in his speech at the UN yesterday. Pretty much a call to arms for other citizens under the boot of the Bilderberg Conquest.

          Liked by 4 people

    • HonorDefendBuckeye says:

      Agree with most of this. Nonetheless, little indicates that Sessions is doing more than “twiddling his thumbs.” The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

      Additionally, we still observe American rights being violated, without any punishment for the malefactors. Realistically, if one wants to inspirit the support for the clean up, there have to be tangible actions that people see, that strengthen and fortify the support for the long road ahead.

      Liked by 2 people

      • paulyho39 says:

        Amen! This Sessions is proving more and more every day to be a complete ‘LOSER’, sorry to have to say! He just can’t get up the courage to do anything really important and meaningful! What can be done if he won’t step up and take the ball?? He has been so disappointing!

        Liked by 3 people

      • dayallaxeded says:

        Maybe Sessions is the swamp dweller you and the other bashers think, but maybe you’re still somewhat under the influence of enemedia, who’re reporting the barest minimum of what DOJ has done, since Sessions was confirmed (which, you will recall, took way way too long, due primarily to Demonrat and uniparty stalling).

        Consider, if you’re looking to attack and defeat the most powerful kingdom on earth–yours is potentially the most powerful, but has been partially co-opted by the enemy. Would you broadcast your preparations to attack the enemy kingdom? Would you charge forward with attacks and criminal prosecutions without making dayum, double-super sure that your soldiers weren’t spies for the enemy? Or would you go forward with normal business, all the while hyper-vetting your personnel for loyalty and ethics, obtaining more information, analyzing for connections and evidence to use against the enemy?

        For example, are you aware of the major pedophile ring arrests made a couple of months ago? You can bet that substantial additional evidence was seized incident to those arrests that will implicate still more demons–maybe leading to someone of importance. That concept applies to every major operation on removal of MS13, infiltration of AntiFa, etc.

        If and when the strikes against the enemy kingdom begin to hit, they will have to be devastating and unanswerable by the enemies. It will take time to build those kinds of cases. Of course, my optimism could be running away with me, but knowing a bit about how legal prosecutions work, the scenario described is at least as, if not more likely than Sessions being sold out or incompetent.


    • Maquis says:

      Solid thesis, worthy hopes, plausible explanation of a Vast Anti-Constitutional Criminal Conspiracy Rollback/RollOver in-work. I share your hope & your prayer vigil.

      So say we all!

      Liked by 2 people

    • M. Mueller says:

      d2i, excellent post. Thank you.


    • Tegan says:

      Thank you for posting this positive message, d2i. We do tend to get caught up in the weeds too often.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Tejas Rob says:

      Amen d21


    • cwf60 says:

      Should the people in Alabama support this man? I hope they are smarter than that.

      Liked by 2 people

  5. Hillbillysailor says:

    To this sounds like there was a FISA warrant on Manafort…probably obtained at the state level. This gives him deniability on his previous statements as well as any actions. Clapper appeared to be very specific that there was not one on Trump, Trump Tower, or the Trump Campaign. The media is like, “Trump lied.” They are being deliberately obtuse…at best.


  6. Nchadwick says:

    I don’t remember this being a big deal, but now it seems it maybe

    JUNE 23, 2017

    The partnership was unexpected given Mr. Manafort’s early opinion of his son-in-law, as described in text messages belonging to Andrea Manafort, one of Mr. Manafort’s two daughters, which were hacked last year and posted on a website used by Ukrainian hackers. In the messages, Ms. Manafort said in 2013 that her father “wholeheartedly opposes” her sister Jessica’s marriage to Mr. Yohai, whose financial problems had deeply concerned Mr. Manafort.

    July 26, 2017 — Raid on Manafort’s home

    August 10, 2017
    Paul Manafort hiring new legal team amid Mueller probe

    Manafort had primarily been represented by Reginald Brown of WilmerHale — the same DC law firm that employed Robert Mueller until he was appointed special counsel in May to investigate allegations that Trump colluded with Russia in the election

    He will hire Miller & Chevalier, a small D.C. tax-focused law firm, to represent him, according to a report.

    Manafort had primarily been represented by Reginald Brown of WilmerHale — the same DC law firm that employed Robert Mueller until he was appointed special counsel in May to investigate allegations that Trump colluded with Russia in the election.

    The hiring of the tax-focused law firm is motivated by the financial nature of the documents taken from Manafort’s home in July, according to one person familiar with Manafort’s plans.

    I don’t remember hearing anything about Manafort’s daughter being “hacked” — and what website did this appear on ??

    Also how could the fact that at the time of raid/and investigation – Manafort was represented by the same firm that employed Mueller prior to him being appointed – not be a conflict of interest?


    • Nchadwick says:

      Found my answer to question 2 —

      Newly appointed special counsel Robert S. Mueller III will undergo a Justice Department ethics review that will examine possible conflicts of interest regarding his former law firm

      For the past three years, Mueller has been a partner in the Washington office of WilmerHale, whose attorneys represent former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Trump’s daughter Ivanka and Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law.

      Federal regulations prohibit officials from participating in matters involving their former employers for two years after joining the government unless they receive a waiver to do so.

      Bruce Berman, WilmerHale’s general counsel, said that Mueller had no involvement in the representation of Manafort, Kushner or Trump, or any client in connection with any Russia-related inquiry. The firm says there are no potential conflicts regarding Mueller’s role as special counsel, Berman said.

      If Mueller did not work for any of the three clients, then when he leaves the firm, he’s purged of any conflicts the firm has because of that work. He’s sanitized. He’s vaccinated,” said Stephen Gillers, a professor of law at New York University who specializes in legal ethics. “The public might say, ‘He was at Manafort’s firm, he has a conflict,’ ” Gillers added. “But the rule is, if he didn’t work on the Manafort matter or learn any confidential information, once he leaves it’s as though he was never there.”

      Hey if all the corrupted DC swamp says it — then that seems ethical — WOW

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      • mimbler says:

        Just another sign of DOJ being corrupt. Mueller was BFF with comey who would be part of what mueller was charged to investigate. No way that wasn’t a conflict of interest.

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  7. Michael says:

    Doesn’t matter what you deny. There are workarounds. You can even think you are turning an iphone off and get all the “normal” actions and yet it can still be active and aware.
    If you cannot remove the battery you can’t be certain it is inert.

    The only going for us is that most of us aren’t worth the effort. snicker snark

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    • Risa says:

      Perhaps we are unimportant enough to assume we aren’t worth the trouble to be surveilled. However, the IRS turning over data containing names and files on tea party folks may be an indication of how easy it is to find yourself in a category receiving a little extra attention. Why didn’t the GOP congress critters act to protect Conservatives from IRS and Lois Lerner? I believe it is because they wanted the Tea Party destroyed just as much as the Dems.

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  8. nimrodman says:

    As far as Congress investigative committees, or Sessions’ DOJ, or even Judicial Watch or others via FOIA …

    … obtaining “the database” …

    … I wonder if any of them will obtain the actual, physical “21 CD-ROMs”?

    Because when asked to turn over a “database” or a “server” or such, we’ve seen how that goes recently with Imran Awan and brothers (Nancy Frizzy-Hair’s Congressional “IT techs”).

    When commanded to turn over a copy of a server being subpoenaed, the Awans turned over a fraudulent “image” and that’s what caused Capitol Police to escalate the case and realize they have spycraft and espionage afoot.

    So let’s see the physical CD-ROMs, folks.
    Not some scrubbed and sanitized so-called “database”.

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  9. trapper says:

    Clapper stated unequivocally that he had no knowledge of a FISA warrant issued against Manafort. My gut tells me he is not lying. There was such a warrant issued against Manafort, but Clapper didn’t seek it, didn’t know about it at the time, was not informed about if by Comey, and will not let himself be drawn into it now. Comey’s in real trouble.

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  10. Laura says:

    Here’s an interesting article by Don Surber about why CNN spread the news about the wiretapping:

    He may not have thought of all possible reasons for why CNN published this, but it is an interesting read nonetheless–as are the comments.

    Liked by 3 people

  11. JimWVa says:

    Special Counsel Mueller seems to be in a unique position to make an assessment of President Trump’s motivations in the dismissal of FBI Director Comey. According to NPR, Mueller was interviewing for the FBI Director’s position with “Department of Justice” and “White House officials” prior to his appointment in May 2017 as Special Counsel by Deputy AG Rosenstein.

    The New York Times reported, from the Oval Office interview their reporters had with President Trump, that Robert Mueller met with the President to discuss Mueller being nominated by the Trump Administration to fill the vacancy in the FBI Director’s position. I’m assuming (without any special knowledge), that President Trump was as forthright with Mueller during this interview, as the President was during the NBC Lester Holt interview, as to the reasons the President removed Director Comey.

    It would also seem that Special Counsel Mueller’s most recently-reported document requests sent to the White House staff would result in disclosures of deliberations with regard to Mr. Mueller’s possible nomination to fill the Comey vacancy. To me, from what I read in the “newspapers”, the Special Counsel team is attempting to prepare a defense to a motion to dismiss a prosecution of any White House official, including the President, on the grounds that Mueller himself is a material witness to the elements of an obstruction of justice crime. Evidently Special Counsel Mueller believes either that his consultations with the DOJ, White House officials, and according to the New York Times – the President himself, immediately after the May 9th Comey removal are not material to the scope of his appointment order as Special Counsel. Either way, out of hundreds of thousands licensed criminal attorneys in the US, the selection of Mr. Mueller to investigate this case has always seemed uncalled for to me.

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    • Michael says:

      JimWVa says:

      “Either way, out of hundreds of thousands licensed criminal attorneys in the US, the selection of Mr. Mueller to investigate this case has always seemed uncalled for to me.”

      Same circle. Different Jerk.

      Liked by 5 people

    • keebler AC ovfefe says:

      The “higher ups” were determined to put corruptocrat Mueller into the WH one way or another.

      Liked by 3 people

  12. Kaco says:

    The only way to drain the swamp and reform the deep state and shadow government, we have to start with this, what’s in front of our eyes. I pray the evil is rooted out and justice is served.


  13. PDQ says:

    Oh what a tangled web we weave….


  14. scott467 says:

    “However when these recent revelations are added to FBI James Comey admitting to keeping the investigations hidden from congressional oversight an even more alarming picture emerges.”


    I can’t be any more “alarmed” than I already am.

    We blew right past DEFCON 1 during the Hussein administration. I’m at DEFCON zero.

    Shouldn’t someone with the power and authority to make ARRESTS be “alarmed”?

    Someone like… oh I don’t know… JEFF SESSIONS?

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  15. yy4u says:

    What is the surprise here? Under First Secretary Barack Obama, the United States was the United Socialist Soviet States of America – or USSSA — IRS, CIA, FBI — all were and still are politicized.

    Liked by 2 people

  16. scott467 says:

    “Add it all up and there’s no denying the larger issues….”


    What ARE the “larger issues….”?

    I mean, you know, specifically?

    What is accomplished by NOT naming the ‘larger issues’ AND the lawful penalties directly associated with those ‘larger issues’?

    Why aren’t they OPENLY discussed?

    Why all the beating around the bush, as if we are dealing with that which cannot be spoken of?

    It is maddening.

    I don’t know how you can do it.

    EXCLUSIVE: Six U.S Agencies Conspired to Illegally Wiretap Trump; British Intel Used as NSA Front to Spy on Campaign
    Posted on September 20, 2017

    “Here is what we now know, per intelligence gleaned form federal law enforcement sources with insider knowledge of what amounts to a plot by U.S. intelligence agencies to secure back door and illegal wiretaps of President Trump’s associates:

    • Six U.S. agencies created a stealth task force, spearhead by CIA’s Brennan, to run domestic surveillance on Trump associates and possibly Trump himself.
    • To feign ignorance and to seemingly operate within U.S. laws, the agencies freelanced the wiretapping of Trump associates to the British spy agency GCHQ.
    • The decision to insert GCHQ as a back door to eavesdrop was sparked by the denial of two FISA Court warrant applications filed by the FBI to seek wiretaps of Trump associates.
    • GCHQ did not work from London or the UK. In fact the spy agency worked from NSA’s headquarters in Fort Meade, MD with direct NSA supervision and guidance to conduct sweeping surveillance on Trump associates.
    • The illegal wiretaps were initiated months before the controversial Trump dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele.
    • The Justice Department and FBI set up the meeting at Trump Tower between Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner with controversial Russian officials to make Trump’s associates appear compromised.
    • Following the Trump Tower sit down, GCHQ began digitally wiretapping Manafort, Trump Jr., and Kushner.
    • After the concocted meeting by the Deep State, the British spy agency could officially justify wiretapping Trump associates as an intelligence front for NSA because the Russian lawyer at the meeting Natalia Veselnitskaya was considered an international security risk and prior to the June sit down was not even allowed entry into the United States or the UK, federal sources said.
    • By using GCHQ, the NSA and its intelligence partners had carved out a loophole to wiretap Trump without a warrant. While it is illegal for U.S. agencies to monitor phones and emails of U.S. citizens inside the United States absent a warrant, it is not illegal for British intelligence to do so. Even if the GCHQ was tapping Trump on U.S. soil at Fort Meade.
    • The wiretaps, secured through illicit scheming, have been used by U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of alleged Russian collusion in the 2016 election, even though the evidence is considered “poisoned fruit.” ”


    Why Obama Really Spied on Trump
    Obama had to spy on Trump to protect himself.
    September 20, 2017
    Daniel Greenfield

    “Obama had switched from spying on a political opponent to win an election, to spying on his successor to undo the results of the election. Abuse of power by a sitting government had become subversion of the government by an outgoing administration. Domestic spying on opponents had become a coup.

    The Democrat scandals of the past few administrations have hinged on gross violations of political norms, elementary ethics and the rule of law that, out of context, were not technically illegal.

    But it’s the pattern that makes the crime. It’s the context that shows the motive.

    Obama Inc. compartmentalized its espionage operation in individual acts of surveillance and unmasking, and general policies implemented to aid both, that may have been individually legal, in the purely technical sense, in order to commit the major crime of eavesdropping on the political opposition.

    When the individual acts of surveillance are described as legal, that’s irrelevant. It’s the collective pattern of surveillance of the political opposition that exposes the criminal motive for them.

    If Obama spied on two of Trump’s campaign leaders, that’s not a coincidence. It’s a pattern.

    A criminal motive can be spotted by a consistent pattern of actions disguised by different pretexts. A dirty cop may lose two pieces of evidence from the same defendant while giving two different excuses. A shady accountant may explain two otherwise identical losses in two different ways. Both excuses are technically plausible. But it’s the pattern that makes the crime.

    Manafort was spied on under the Russia pretext. Bannon may have been spied on over the UAE. That’s two different countries, two different people and two different pretexts.

    But one single target. President Trump.

    It’s the pattern that exposes the motive.

    When we learn the whole truth (if we ever do), we will likely discover that Obama Inc. assembled a motley collection of different technically legal pretexts to spy on Trump’s team.

    Each individual pretext might be technically defensible. But together they add up to the crime of the century.

    Obama’s gamble was that the illegal surveillance would justify itself. If you spy on a bunch of people long enough, especially people in politics and business, some sort of illegality, actual or technical, is bound to turn up. That’s the same gamble anyone engaged in illegal surveillance makes.

    Businessmen illegally tape conversations with former partners hoping that they’ll say something damning enough to justify the risk. That was what Obama and his allies were doing with Trump.

    It’s a crime. And you can’t justify committing a crime by discovering a crime.

    If everyone were being spied on all the time, many crimes could be exposed every second. But that’s not how our system works. That’s why we have a Fourth Amendment.

    Nor was Obama Inc. trying to expose crimes for their own sake, but to bring down the opposition.

    That’s why it doesn’t matter what results the Obama surveillance turned up. The surveillance was a crime. Anything turned up by it is the fruit of a poisonous tree. It’s inherently illegitimate.

    The first and foremost agenda must be to assemble a list of Trump officials who were spied on and the pretexts under which they were spied upon. The pattern will show the crime. And that’s what Obama and his allies are terrified of. It’s why Flynn was forced out using illegal surveillance and leaks. It’s why McMaster is protecting Susan Rice and the Obama holdovers while purging Trump loyalists at the NSC.

    The left’s gamble was that the Mueller investigation or some other illegitimate spawn of the Obama eavesdropping would produce an indictment and then the procedural questions wouldn’t matter.

    It’s the dirty cop using illegal eavesdropping to generate leads for a “clean” case against his target while betting that no one will look too closely or care how the case was generated. If one of the Mueller targets is intimidated into making a deal, the question of how the case was generated won’t matter.

    Mueller will have a cooperative witness. And the Democrats can begin their coup in earnest. It will eventually turn out that there is no “there” there. But by then, it’ll be time for President Booker.

    There’s just one problem.

    If the gamble fails, if no criminal case that amounts to anything more than the usual investigational gimmick charges like perjury (the Federal equivalent of ‘resisting arrest’ for a beat cop) develops, then Obama and his allies are on the hook for the domestic surveillance of their political opponents.

    With nothing to show for it and no way to distract from it.

    That’s the race against the clock that is happening right now. Either the investigation gets results. Or its perpetrators are left hanging in the wind. If McMaster is fired, which on purely statistical grounds he probably will be, and a Trump loyalist who wasn’t targeted by the surveillance operation becomes the next National Security Adviser and brings in Trump loyalists, as Flynn tried to do, then it’s over.

    And the Dems finally get their Watergate. Except the star won’t be Trump, it will be Obama. Rice, Power, Lynch and the rest of the gang will be the new Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Mitchell.

    Once Obama and his allies launched their domestic surveillance operation, they crossed the Rubicon. And there was no way back. They had to destroy President Trump or risk going to jail.

    The more crimes they committed by spying on the opposition, the more urgently they needed to bring down Trump. The consequences of each crime that they had committed spurred them on to commit worse crimes to save themselves from going to jail. It’s the same old story when it comes to criminals.

    Each act of illegal surveillance became more blatant. And when illegal surveillance couldn’t stop Trump’s victory, they had to double down on the illegal surveillance for a coup.

    The more Obama spied on Trump, the more he had to keep doing it. This time it was bound to pay off.

    Obama and his allies had violated the norms so often for their policy goals that they couldn’t afford to be replaced by anyone but one of their own. The more Obama relied on the imperial presidency of executive orders, the less he could afford to be replaced by anyone who would undo them. The more his staffers lied and broke the law on everything from the government shutdown to the Iran nuke sellout, the more desperately they needed to pull out all the stops to keep Trump out of office. And the more they did it, the more they couldn’t afford not to do it. Abuse of power locks you into the loop familiar to all dictators. You can’t stop riding the tiger. Once you start, you can’t afford to stop.

    If you want to understand why Samantha Power was unmasking names, that’s why. The hysterical obsession with destroying Trump comes from the top down. It’s not just ideology. It’s wealthy and powerful men and women who ran the country and are terrified that their crimes will be exposed.

    It’s why the media increasingly sounds like the propaganda organs of a Communist country. Why there are street riots and why the internet is being censored by Google and Facebook’s “fact checking” allies.

    It’s not just ideology. It’s raw fear.

    The left is sitting on the biggest crime committed by a sitting president. The only way to cover it up is to destroy his Republican successor.

    A turning point in history is here.

    If Obama goes down, the left will go down with him. If his coup succeeds, then America ends.

    Liked by 8 people

    • albrevin says:

      this is sick. The whole thing is sick. Our DOJ and Intel people are completely out of control.

      Liked by 7 people

    • Paco Loco says:

      Scott….Excellent post. Its not a surprise that Obama and his minions would weaponize the intelligence agencies to take down Trump and hand the election to Clinton. Obama was a fraud to begin with, hated Trump because he called him out for his fake birth certificate and throughout his presidency engaged in criminal actions usually on behalf of Soros and the globalist Cartel to destroy the USA. If ever there was a traitor to the US and the Constitution, Obama and is gangsters would be it.

      How does this horror show end? Who is holding back the DoJ from prosecuting these traitors? Sessions seems to have completely disappeared. Mueller and Rothstein need to be called out for their deception and we need to know who has been behind the scenes pulling the strings of this bogus Special Investigation. Time is critical now. Mueller’s sham wow Investigation must be terminated immediately.

      Liked by 6 people

      • scott467 says:

        “Mueller’s sham wow Investigation must be terminated immediately.”


        Mueller should be arrested with all the other coup participants.

        A) he was appointed under fraudulent means (Comey initiated the circumstances with admitted specific intent to bring about a Special Counsel)

        B) Mueller has ridiculous conflicts of interest, beginning with his cozy relationship with Comey

        C) Mueller waived any pretense of objectivity when he exclusively hired Clinton cronies and other Leftists for his ‘team’

        D) the pretense for Mueller’s entire investigation is a known and established fraud, and he knows it better than anyone. His continued pursuit is therefore a de facto effort to unseat a lawfully elected president who is guilty of no wrongdoing

        Ergo, Mueller should be arrested with all the other coup participants.

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    • ScoutBird says:

      This corruption of Federal Institutions actually began in a serious way under the Bill Clinton Administration. Investigations in Whitewater and so much else died with the death of many with knowledge in 1993 & 1994, once Bubba took the reins of power.

      Barry the First took advantage of these corrupted institutions once he began his plunderous reign of America and his push to destroy the remaining Constitutional underpinnings, such as they are, to the nation. As the American Media is also an unindicted co-conspirator, the criminals that make up today’s Democrat Party and the Republican Establishment, the people need to use 2018 to drive as many of the DC Criminal Political Class from office as possible. If we can’t get most of these clowns out of office, a 2020 election won’t natter as the country will fall to anarchy.

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  17. NJF says:

    With all the recent revelations, I’m thinking they are preparing to make a sacrifice. The first one who comes to mind is Susan Powers.

    She had zero reason for unmasking, and now we’re finding out she made over 250 requests? At least the other traitors had national security responsibilities. The majority of the requests came “at the end of Obamas term” aka the transition??? (Per FBN)

    Then I saw this earlier.

    He doesn’t provide a link, but I find him to be accurate.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Niagara Frontier says:

      What will it take for the rank and file press corps to see the light, throw off the chains, and turn on their masters? I have a sense that if that were to happen, the dominoes would start to fall more quickly than ever imagined.

      Liked by 3 people

  18. Harleyd says:

    And AG Sessions is doing what on these obvious crimes?

    It pains me to think how much money and support I gave to PDJT, given that he first appointed and now tolerates Sessions. Given how smart and forward thinking PDJT is, he had to know that appointing a swamp “insider” was a risk.

    PDJT has the table set for him here. His administration will be judged not by executive actions, which can be easily undone, but by whether or not he showed the country that the RULE OF LAW applies to everyone.

    Liked by 1 person

    • keebler AC ovfefe says:

      Imagine the kind of consult a “newbie” is getting from the left and right, ergo, Priebus and Bannon banded together to tell Trump not to fire Sessions when Sessions offered his resignation in shame the first time. By the second time when President Trump was ready to fire him, Sessions had the backing of the Swamp to stay put because it was in the Swamp’s best interest for a recused and useless AG to stay put. They probably advised Sessions to call out Charlottesville staged op as domestic terrorists and big pharma asks Sessions to put the screws on medical marijuana. Sessions just wants to keep his job now, and the Swamp is happy to assist.

      Liked by 3 people

    • mimbler says:

      In PDJT’s defense, I would say Sessions appeared to be an excellent choice. I know I thought it was a great one at the time of his selection.

      After Sessions recused himself, PDJT criticized him severely in an interview with NYT, and said he would never have picked him if he knew he would do that and that Sessions should not have taken the job knowing he was going to recuse himself.

      But…getting rid of Sessions at that point with an SC appointed almost immediately, would have been very costly for PDJT politically. And I suspect that he thought that at least Sessions would be effective where he hadn’t recused himself.

      Should mueller ever finish his persecution (unlikely), I suspect PDJT will replace Sessions. Barring that, Sessions is probably safe until PDJT has enacted enough of his agenda to be able to afford the distraction of the political attacks for firing Sessions.


      Liked by 3 people

    • TrumpsterinPa says:

      Sadly, just a guess, but it wouldn’t surprise me he’s being blackmailed. These long time Senators and congressman both R and D have skeletons in the closet…Your in the swamp that long, it has a way of corrupting. Then with the way Obama weaponized the IC….who know what dirt they have on Sessions and others. I’m not sure what DJT can and will do but I’m a firm believer when the dust settles we will see a lot of that “iceberg” and hopefully justice is served.

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  19. Paco Loco says:

    The Deep State would like Muellers Investigation to go on for years as a Sword of Damocles hanging over Trumps head. The Presidents legal team should get Mueller to show his hand. What he’s got is nothing related to the Russian collusion which was the main focus of the investigation. When that’s revealed, the public can see that it’s a witch hunt motivated by the butt hurt left who lost a sure thing election. Mueller unfortunately believes he’s untouchable and that’s what will cause a crisis of confidence when he pulls an indictment out if his ass.

    Liked by 2 people

    • If we Trump supporters ever decide that a March on Washington would be appropriate, I can imagine one of the chants about the Mueller investigation be: Shut it Down! Shut it Down!
      or how about this: Who’s got to go? Mueller’s got to go! Who’s got to go? Mueller’s got to go.


  20. wyntre says:


    Sharyl Attkisson on Hannity, tonight.

    She wrote “The Smear.”

    In this tweet she exposes Brennan as the WH advisor appointed to hunt down any journalist who wrote negative stories about The POS.

    Liked by 1 person

    • WSB says:

      2013…Sharyl had help to expose the government IP addresses, etc. Something you or I would not have, and she has a court hearing tomorrow. Four years later. How many have the stomach for that?

      Liked by 3 people

      • seekingthetruth2 says:

        I hope she survives the night.

        Liked by 1 person

      • MaineCoon says:

        4 years? I hope we see what court it is and can lend ur support of her on CTH. In a sense the timing of this bad exposure of Brennan couldn’t be better given the current atmosphere. Now regular people are being to see Brennan for the liar and criminal he was/is and this trial will excentuate the fact.

        Hey, on a bright note, maybe Sharyl can get Brennan a jail sentence where DoJ won’t. I’m all eyes on this, but I don’t have tv. Hope Treepers post the vid clips.

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  21. James says:

    What drives me up a wall is that there is no accountability. It was an endless loop of Crapper and Brennan saying “It was Russia, Russia did it, Russia hacked our election, Russia set up Donald Trump with hookers peeing on the bed Barack and Michael slept on, etc” But nobody asks them when did they find out about this, what did they do about it, did they go to Obama and tell him the very survival of our American way of life was hanging in the balance because of Putin. Nobody asks these questions. At minimum, Crapper and Brennan should be the objects of scorn and ridicule because of their criminal negligence. Of course I don’t believe anything they say.

    Liked by 4 people

  22. Convert says:

    I’m becoming more concerned, the more that comes out, that they will have Trump assassinated, now that the whole impeach/force to resign hasn’t worked. I am really concerned for him. Pray, pray. If they take him out, no matter how obviously contrived and staged, the media will make sure it’s covered up and Pence won’t be any trouble to the Swamp after witnessing it. Seriously, I would never have imagined I could be talking this way about our government and media. But here we are….

    Liked by 2 people

    • Abster says:

      This is exactly the same fear my friends and I have. These people have worked feverishly against President Trump and all those supporting him. They have tried and failed to stop our elected President from achieving goals set to get America back on track. What is left for them to do other than that. Talk about throwing our country into turmoil. I couldn’t imagine. Please continue to pray.


    • MaineCoon says:

      President Trump can never let his guard down, which he’s smart enough to know. He’s always wearing the vest. Yes, continuing to pray.


  23. Given the fact that Comey and Brennan both lies under oath, why we are not hearing about FBI picking their locks at wee hours and breaking in to their homes to arrest them?

    Liked by 5 people

    • scott467 says:

      “Given the fact that Comey and Brennan both lies under oath, why we are not hearing about FBI picking their locks at wee hours and breaking in to their homes to arrest them?”


      That is a very, very good question.

      It’s almost like there are two standards of justice.

      One for the political-class, where no crime is ever criminally investigated, much less punished, and another standard of justice for We the People — where the full force and power of the federal government is brought against citizens for even the most innocuous infraction.

      I wonder if Attorney General Jeff knows about Jim and John’s Excellent Adventure?

      As long as we’re living through farce, we might as well reference comedies.

      Liked by 1 person

      • omyword says:

        I wonder if Attorney General Jeff knows about Jim and John’s Excellent Adventure?
        Would it matter?

        Liked by 1 person

      • scott467 – “I wonder if Attorney General Jeff knows about Jim and John’s Excellent Adventure?”
        I think the correct question is –
        Why is AG Sessions turning blind eye to Jim and John’s Excellent Adventure?
        (Sorry I missed the “reference comedies” part)
        It is ironic that what the Democrats could not accomplish in terms of destroying Mr. Jeff Sessions credibility as a person and senator, he himself did it all on his own when he is appointed as AG, in probably from my POV, the most transparent administration of last 3-4 decades.
        I hope it is not cliche to quote the following (courtesy to the Twilight Zone with little bit of word play) –
        “There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and is timeless as infinity.It is a middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and a summit of his knowledge.This is a dimension of imagination. It is an area we call the Twilight Zone”. I am replacing the last two sentences as follows –
        This is a dimension of today’s reality in the United States of America. It is an area we call the United States Government and MSM.”

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        • scott467 says:

          “(Sorry I missed the “reference comedies” part)”


          No problem it was a somewhat obscure pop-culture reference. When I said “Jim (Comey) and John’s (Brennan) Excellent Adventure, it was a reference to a bad comedy from 1989 starring Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter, called “Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure“.


          “It is ironic that what the Democrats could not accomplish in terms of destroying Mr. Jeff Sessions credibility as a person and senator, he himself did it all on his own when he is appointed as AG, in probably from my POV, the most transparent administration of last 3-4 decades.”


          Well, that’s just it. It’s an either / or situation at this point.

          Either he is conducting multiple secret grand juries all over the country in preparation to indict the Penguin (Sick Hillary), the Joker (Traitor Hussein) and Lex Luthor (Soros) — and there has not been even a single leak about any of it — or he’s been on a 9 month vacation and has no intention of restoring the rule of Law or the We the People’s confidence therein.

          If there is a plausible third possibility, I would certainly like to know what it is.


          “I hope it is not cliche to quote the following (courtesy to the Twilight Zone with little bit of word play) –”


          I am reminded of the Twilight Zone on a nearly daily basis, I even referenced Rod Serling here just the other day, lol!

          For anyone who is a fan of the show, the complete series (all 156 episodes) is available on Blu-ray in outstanding restored condition, looking and sounding better than ever:


          “I am replacing the last two sentences as follows –
          This is a dimension of today’s reality in the United States of America. It is an area we call the United States Government and MSM.”



          After 8+ years of utter lawlessness, the American People are starving for a return to normalcy, to the rule of Law. We the People did what we could, overcoming incalculable odds, and won by electing DJT.

          We won.

          Yet the rule of Law has NOT been restored, in fact, for all intents and purposes, the Attorney General of the United States of America might as well have disappeared into the federal witness protection program.

          We have mayors and governors throughout that land who flagrantly violate federal immigration law, and nobody is arrested. Those same mayors and governors order the police to ‘stand down’, allowing Democrat-funded anti-fa and BLM domestic terrorist groups to RIOT and violate the CIVIL RIGHTS (and actual, Constitutional rights) of TRUMP supporters, and no arrests are made.

          Conservatives can’t even exercise their RIGHT to SPEAK without being psysically assaulted by Leftist fascist brownshirts, and those fascist brownshirts are not self-funding and self-organizing. Arrest the people behind these organizations and seize their assets, and all the chaos stops overnight. And yet no arrests are made…

          We have the publicly known crimes committed by Sick Hillary and the Clinton Pay-for-Play Slush Fund, and it is clear beyond a reasonable doubt (based solely on the facts already reported in the news) that Obama and his administration committed the most serious crimes ever committed by a sitting president.

          We won.

          Elections have consequences.

          That was nearly ten months ago.

          There are church mice who make more noise than Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III.

          I sure hope he is working himself to exhaustion on indictments and restoring the rule of Law.

          But I can’t hold my breath anymore.

          It turns out that ten months is my limit.


  24. Paco Loco says:

    Police State tactics. No due process for Manafort is egregious.

    Liked by 2 people

  25. jeans2nd says:

    Weasel words, used by DC weasels.
    When used in a DC Swamp court of law, the DC Swamp creature jury will find cause for reasonable doubt.
    Although, after Clinton’s latest thriller, those DC Swamp creatures on the DC Swamp court jury may not be so forgiving towards Comey, who will never be in a DC Swamp courtroom let alone face a DC Swamp creature jury so it matters not.

    Re: the quarterly quarterly briefing –
    Comey, 00:43 – “and that involves a briefing of the Department of Justice, I believe the DNI, and some portion of the National Security Council at the White House. We brief them before Congress is briefed.”
    1:02 – “I think that’s right. Now, that’s by practice, not by rule or by written policy.”

    “I believe the DNI…briefed before Congress…I think…practice, not rule or policy.” Weasel words.

    Around 1:43, when Comey is speaking of notifying the DNI, Comey is referring to the current DNI, Coates, and not the former DNI, Clapper. Weasel words.

    When Clapper is talking about his (Clapper’s) MTP interview in March, Clapper and Todd were initially speaking of illegal wiretaps (00:48). A FISA is, by definition, legal. Weasel words.

    Technically, Manafort was not a part of the Trump campaign when Manafort was being “wiretapped.” Weasel words.

    1:26, Todd, speaking of an FBI FISA, where Clapper denies knowledge, it was another agency such as State that had the FISA, not the FBI. Just prior, Clapper had listed some of the FISAs of which he (Clapper) would have no knowledge. Weasel words.

    1:43, Clapper states, to his (Clapper’s) knowledge, there was no FISA/wiretap of anything at Trump Tower. Again, this would be true if State or, later, Treasury, had a FISA/wiretap. Weasel words.

    And the only “wires” that were “tapped” were on the circuit boards containg the firmware in Paul Manafort’s cell, based on Manafort being Putin’s “guy” in Ukraine and therefore “counterintelligence.” Odds are the GPS on Manafort’s cell was also being utilized, said firmware being used by CIA software to access Manafort’s GPS.
    The mic on Manafort’s cell was also most likely being utilized by CIA software to access convos and any other sounds accessible by Manafort’s cell mic. Prob the cell camera as well.

    Having all this knowledge did us no good (we are all incorrigibly deplorable and stone-cold nuts, you see, and therefore we deserved it). Lord willing, some upstanding FBI and/or DOJ guy will have mercy and find a way to give the good honest people of the Tea Party a break.
    If only.

    Liked by 1 person

    • jeans2nd says:

      Don’t believe me re: Manafort’s cell?
      Hackers can now hack those infrared night-vision security camaeras to hack you.
      The good guys at Ben-Gurion Univ proved it. If a hacker can do it, so can we.

      -via Cornell-
      aIR-Jumper: Covert Air-Gap Exfiltration/Infiltration via Security Cameras & Infrared (IR)
      “attackers can use surveillance cameras and infrared light to establish bi-directional covert communication between the internal networks of organizations and remote attackers.”
      “Data can be covertly infiltrated into an organization at a rate of over 100 bit/sec per surveillance camera from a distance of hundreds of meters to kilometers away.”

      Night Vision Enabled Security Cameras Secretly Transfer Your Data

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      • jeans2nd says:

        It appears Comey did not follow FBI procedures again, re: using Manafort for the “counterintelligence investigation.”

        According to FBI procedures re: PPD-28 III(A)(1)(a)
        “When disseminating unevaluated personal information collected pursuant to section 702 of FISA, the FBI will inform the recipient that the disseminated information may contain personal information so that the recipient can take appropriate steps to protect that information.”

        Click to access ppd-28-policies-procedures-signed.pdf


        Click to access ppd-28.pdf

        Manafort – and how many others? – were obviously not informed.

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        • jeans2nd says:

          “NSA had been overcollecting in one form or another since 2004.

          the FISA Court has found five years of repeated violations in the NSA’s bulk internet metadata program…That overcollection apparently spanned five years, from 2008-2013.

          The recently retired “about” collection was another problematic collection, almost guaranteed to net purely domestic communications with its keyword searches and lack of targeting.

          When Congress passed the FISA Amendments Act in 2008, it required (that)…If prosecutors want to use “any information obtained or derived from” Section 702 in a trial, they must tell the defendant…DOJ had a policy that ensured no defendant received notice of Section 702 surveillance for nearly five years.

          Another persistent violation involves FBI’s failure to abide by its own minimization procedures requiring that the communications for targets who have been federally indicted be reviewed and, if pertaining to the charged matter, sequestered.”

          ppl are finally documenting it.
          notice it stopped in 2013. adm rogers took over nsa early 2014
          there is much, much more. ..


  26. Sharyl Atkinson in The Hill:

    “Nobody wants our intel agencies to be used like the Stasi in East Germany; the secret police spying on its own citizens for political purposes. The prospect of our own NSA, CIA and FBI becoming politically weaponized has been shrouded by untruths, accusations and justifications.”


  27. Realist says:

    Barry HUSSEIN Soetero OHOMO the LYING Document Hiding Muslim and his corrupt DemoncRAT Regime turned the alphabet organs of State in to POLITICAL weapons and they are STILL doing what they have been doing even under a new Govt, DRAIN THE SWAMP and PUNISH THE GUILTY everyone knows who they are.


  28. omyword says:

    I gotta ask. Where in the world is Waldo, aka Jeff Sessions? Why isn’t A N Y T H I N G being investigated. The high crimes are as deep as your eyeballs. And Mueller? This is pa-thetic! obamanation has all but turned the entire government into a dysfunctional cluster…..!!! Ahem! And our DOJ/FBI is asleep at the wheel.


  29. Frank says:

    Hate to see this thread end. Great summation of current evidence and the analysis by commenters lays it all out. The deductions follow the argument and the conclusions drawn and implications are truly horriifying?

    What has become of America? How will our beloved new president “be dealt with?” Of all the people we have elected, why does no one care enough to speak out and to help him save Constitutional government?


  30. jeans2nd says:

    Somewhat o/t, but related to this entire sordid affair.
    Re: this entire “Russian hacking” narrative –
    neither the NSA nor GCHQ ever investigated the source of the “Russian hacking.”
    No one has any facts explicitly pointing to Russia as the source of any of “hacking,” other than those Facebook ads very recently uncovered (which also prove exactly nothing).

    Mike Rogers Interview at the Aspen Security Forum 7222017.
    Interview with Director of GCHQ Robert Hannigan and David Ignatius.
    Adm Rogers proves himself quite adept with weasel words but, when asked a specific, direct question, will eventually tell the truth.

    “Russian hacking” is discussed in six minutes, from 6:32 to 12:32.
    Wrapped up in the six minutes is a diversion to Fox News, Fox & Friends, and Judge Andrew Napolitano, who are all identified as sources for conspiracy theories, but the main point is, no one has any evidence pointing to Russia as a source, nor has even looked for any. It just “feels” like Russia. Yup, that’s what the GCHQ guy said. “Feels.”

    11:05 David ignatious question “Did you find any evidence of Russian or allied effort to begin to churn this in the information space before it surfaced?
    11:00, 11:15 Adm Rogers “I found no basis in fact on any of this… As Robert said, this was not one in this particular instance where we opted to pursue this”

    12:12 GCHQ guy “I’ve no evidence that this was a Russian operation, it could have been some crazy conspiracy theorists”

    well, alrighty then
    nothing like a good conspiracy theory to tear one’s country to pieces


    • jeans2nd says:

      This entire forum, 1 hour 6 minutes, offers a great deal of facts and insight into how the current NSA and GCHQ directors currently operate under our own respective laws, as well as a few insights into how previous directors (George Tenet) operated in the past. Adm Rogers makes it quite clear that his agreement with the Jan 2017 intelligence report is based on the feeling that Russia had influenced our election based on past observed behavior, not that Russia had actually in fact physically penetrated any of the U.S. computer networks. What the Fake News is actually in fact doing is running propoganda, an actual influence psy-ops (my word) on the American public, imo.

      Listen and, perhaps most of all, watch, the normally impassive Adm Rogers, in a 45 second clip, 48:12 to 48:57. Watch the eyes, repeat, watch the eyes, and the set of the jaw.
      You will understand why Obama et al wanted to fire Adm Rogers, and why Pres Trump kept Adm Rogers on.

      Observation/opinion, based on recent review (listening) to several hours of Adm Rogers speeches and interviews conducted over several years – Adm Rogers consistently stresses that NSA/Cyber Command is a foreign intelligence operation, not a domestic intelligence operation, and that NSA/Cyber Command operates 100% based on the rule of American law; honesty and integrity are essential.
      doubt that holds true for the rest of the swamp
      how these ppl can do this to the American ppl is beyond comprehension
      takes a special kind of evil


      • jeans2nd says:

        Adm Rogers spoke of working often with Jeh Johnson and Gen Kelly at Homeland Security somewhere in this vid.
        Jeh Johnson also made some noise about “Russian hacking.”
        Why has Jeh Johnson not been questioned and subjected to this witchhunt?


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