*UPDATE* Another US Naval Destroyer Collides With Merchant Ship in South East Asia – Rescue and Recovery Efforts Underway…

The USS Fitzgerald collided with a merchant vessel in June of this year killing seven members of her crew.  Unfortunately today the USS John S McCain has also collides with a merchant vessel; details unknown.

Update 10:00pm EDT: Unfortunately it appears there are numerous injuries and missing sailors:

Ten sailors were missing after a Navy destroyer collided with a merchant ship east of the Singapore and Malacca Straits, authorities said Sunday.   Five sailors were injured in the collision between the USS John S. McCain and the merchant vessel, a 30,000-ton chemical and oil tanker, the Navy said in a statement.

A Navy spokesman told NBC News the incident was being treated as an accident. (link)

Original Press release from Pacific Command 7th Fleet Operations:

SOUTH CHINA SEA – The guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) was involved in a collision with the merchant vessel Alnic MC while underway east of Singapore and the Strait of Malacca on Aug. 21.

The collision was reported at 6:24 a.m. Japan Standard Time, while the ship was transiting to a routine port visit in Singapore.

Initial reports indicate John S. McCain sustained damage to her port side aft.  Search and rescue efforts are underway in coordination with local authorities. (read more)

UPDATE: Below is a picture of the Alnic MC, a Liberian flagged oil and chemical tanker:

Click Here to see Her Details

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781 Responses to *UPDATE* Another US Naval Destroyer Collides With Merchant Ship in South East Asia – Rescue and Recovery Efforts Underway…

  1. Mike diamond says:

    pray for these sailors !

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  2. nimrodman says:

    This guy had good analysis of the Fitzgerald collision, complete with tracking map (still up on his web page if you scroll down) but doesn’t have a story up yet about the latest collision. Looks like he’s concerned lately about an “Open Skies” treaty.

    I suspect he’ll have a collision story up soon, maybe tomorrow, so I’d keep an eye on his site.

    Here’s his last story on the Fitz:

    The leaked statement from the ACX Crystal’s Captain is an easily disproven lie.
    http://www.vesselofinterest.com/2017/06/the-leaked-statement-from-acx-crystals.html

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    • Wendy says:

      Wow! This is a serious issue. Druggy officers and commander can explain a lot.

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    • EV22 says:

      Codevilla is a treasure. Thanks for the link, Joe.

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    • nimrodman says:

      Sobering

      “The Navy’s report mentions the names of other officers—but not that of the OOD. Who is this officer, and why the Navy’s effort to divert attention from his identity?

      “Is he an admiral’s son, whose misdeeds are being buried as was John McCain’s responsibility in 1967 … ? Perhaps the Fitz’s OOD is a member of a politically “protected class,” despite incompetence?

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      • Y2K says:

        The CO, XO and CDMCM names are public record. You can look them up for any ship or shore base. They weren’t “released” because of the collision.

        Most likely not releasing any more information until the investigation completes.

        These investigations are legal proceedings with protocols unlike an internet blog that can wildly speculate and rush to judgement.

        All of the names will be known.

        BTW McCain had nothing to do with the 1967 USS Forrestal fire except for almost dying in it. I don’t like the guy one bit but making up “facts” or repeating easily refuted internet fables does not contribute positively to the discussion.

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        • nimrodman says:

          Thanks Y2K.

          Yeah, I had the similar thought last night that other names had not been released because the investigation was continuing and no disciplinary action had been taken against others yet, but names HAD been released for the officers removed from command. So nothing necessarily sinister that OOD not named, wouldn’t be until his discipline was decided from outcome of investigation.

          Your pointing out that the 3 officers are already public record (could be looked up on public sources, I guess, or announced in Navy press releases, or whatever) is helpful and likely the more fundamental reason.

          I apologize for the McCain statement if it’s provably false. Was simply quoting from the article.

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  3. Bob Thoms says:

    2 decades of continual warring is taking its toll…..time to bring out troops home.

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    • Wendy says:

      Thanks! Interesting the top two commanding officers are Sanchez and from Puertorico.

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    • Honest Abbey says:

      It appears that none of the top three in command of this ship spent a day at the Naval Academy.

      The 2nd in command appears to have only attained a high school education.

      How Is This Possible?!?

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    • SharonKinDC says:

      Other than the Captain who has an engineering degree, the other two have rather dubious degrees: Liberal Arts and the other Sociology and a MA in Counseling. Underwhelming.

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      • Y2K says:

        Dubious degrees?

        Some USNA graduates have similar degrees.

        Some officers attend Nuclear Power School with non STEM degrees.

        There are many career paths for motivated people to take.

        BTW, The CMDCM is an enlisted sailor, pay grade E9. He is not required to have a college degree to serve at that level. The fact that he, on his own, acquired two in the course of his career shows motivation to excel. Certainly a contributing factor to his making E9 and being in the CMD program.

        There will be plenty of issues to critique. Degrees aren’t one of them.

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        • Honest Abbey says:

          When the top 3 in command are all minorites and a disaster strikes, it might very well be the time to question their education. Granted, the ideal time would have been prior to putting them in command…..THAT could be where the problem began here (under-qualified) officers in command.

          Something went wrong, that’s for sure.

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          • Y2K says:

            Question their education? In what way? Why? Because of their skin color?

            These guys didn’t just walk onto the ship yesterday and start doing these high level jobs.

            Something went wrong but I guarantee you that it had nothing to do with their race or undergraduate studies a long time ago. LOL

            Where do some of you come up with this stuff?

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  4. distracted2 says:

    Four incidents in eight months. One is too many.

    I’m skeptical we will ever know the truth.

    Praying for the families.

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  5. A2 says:

    I am reposting and attaching a report, “Collision Safety in the Malacca Straits and Singapore Waters” the data ends in 2014 and since then the conditions highlighted have increased exponentially.

    Actual collisions accounted for 58% of the accidents and usually had to do with navigational errors.

    The Straits are very narrow, and the volume of shipping is very great.

    Prayers for the missing, may they be found.

    https://www.skuld.com/Documents/Topics/Navigation/Geographical/Collisions%20in%20the%20Malacca%20and%20Singapore%20Straits.pdf?epslanguage=en

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  6. Dale Robbins says:

    This doesn’t sound right. Twice in two months. Who’s doing what? My thoughts and prayers go out to the dead and missing sailors. Something’s fishy with how suddenly our Navy can’t avoid slamming into ships in the Pacific Ocean. These incidents seem unusual and more frequent. How do the fastest, most nimble, best instrumented, and smallest, capital ships in the US Navy keep locking horns with big, slow, lumbering commercial vessels? This isn’t supposed to happen, ever. It’s happened twice, recently. Should never happen! Lots of electronic systems and sailors on the bridge, it’s not like one guy, I can’t imagine how this could happen. Makes you wonder. They have the entire ocean to move around in and yet this is the second collision-with loss of life. Is our navy incompetent? This doesn’t make any sense. Its happened twice in two months. This is one of those things that you just know there’s something very wrong here.
    Sounds like the someone is blanking the ships radar and spoofing GPS to cause these collisions. That would be my educated guess. Look what has been happen in Cuban with our people. We are being lied to or our entire navy needs to come home and retrain. One collision is a quirk, 2 in 2 months are acts of war or an incompetent navy. Two ships lost to collisions in three months, both in Asian Pacific waters. Coincidence?

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    • Howie says:

      Total breakdown in seamanship. Who the hell are they putting in charge of our warships?

      Liked by 1 person

    • Patriot1783 says:

      I’m no expert but that’s what I first thought, a hack into system somehow otherwise incompetence or enemy within.
      Time to go back to a watch in crows nest.

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    • cali says:

      I think this collision happened in the same manner as the Fitzgerald. Naturally the Navy has to make sure that the true cause remains unreported. I have read in the Japanese news and private blogs that the Fitzgerald was rendered useless via EMT and made it a sitting duck. Whereas the ship that hit the Fitzgerald made a turn and set its sail directly at the Fitzgerald. The rest is history.
      Oddly enough this collision is in the same waters.

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  7. n1ghtcr4wler says:

    nomen est omen

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  8. Howie says:

    When at sea you do not even need radar to know you are on a collision course with another ship. Simple observation will tell you miles away. When you see another ship check the bearing. If it does not change, and range is decreasing, you are on collision course.

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    • distracted2 says:

      Perhaps they rely too much on GPS and other computer analysis but it’s not foolproof. You would think they would do both but maybe not.

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      • G. Combs says:

        Above, more than one Navy sailor stated there are at least FIVE people standing four hour watches. One man for each compass bearing and one on the bridge.

        So yes, you have eyes on the sea in ALL directions at ALL times. This was a busy shipping lanes so those sailors should have been extra alert ESPECIALLY after Fitz. collision.

        This STINKS to high heaven. Esp. the timing of it.

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  9. Howie says:

    What I liked to do is put a bearing line on my radar to the other ship. If the target remains on the line you are going to collide. It is so simple and easy.

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  10. Howie says:

    I wonder if the new social justice navy has ‘political’ officers? Making sure the crew is always in a social justice conundrum of diversity goofyness.

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  11. sundance says:

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    • wheatietoo says:

      That’s a bad ding…looks deeper, more indented than what happened to the Fitzgerald.


      ,
      Doesn’t appear to be much damage above deck, though.

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      • distracted2 says:

        Yes. And it’s not a clip as I would have expected. It was rammed. I’m not even sure it was our fault.

        I’ll admit I am suspicious but still…

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      • Y2K says:

        The lower damage that you see is caused by the bulbous bow of the tanker. The “V” notch above it on the rail is where the stem impacted. Look at the photo of the tanker in this thread and it will be apparent.

        Based on the characteristics of the lower damage and given that it is on the port side it could be assumed that the tanker was overtaking from port and was thus the giveway vessel, putting her at fault. Of course it could also appear that way due to last minute maneuvering of either or both ships.

        Rules of the Road are not absolute and in these situations both vessels are generally assigned a portion of the blame. USN has zero tolerance for collisions so careers will end.

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      • bofh says:

        Looks like a pretty symmetrical imprint of the huge bulb at/below the waterline, with a little dent from the bow itself at deck level. Which would suggest that they were squarely t-boned by the merchantman.

        Tried to cross in front of him too closely? If so, and that’s the port side, then they were on starboard, but avoiding a collision is incumbent on all vessels, regardless of status.

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        • doofusdawg says:

          Looking at the track on Zero Hedge I would imagine the container ship was on auto pilot heading northeast after leaving port. Mccain is heading southwest toward port… Helm of Mccain eventually realizes that they need to take evasive action… altering course to starboard… cuts right across path of approaching ship. What we don’t know is whether or not the container ship hit a way point that caused it to veer a little further north… I imagine this is the case. Auto pilot running the container ship and not enough experience at the helm of the Mccain. The navy should know where the shipping lanes and way points are for busy seaways. I imagine something similar happened with the Fitzgerald. Horrible accidents both… but a 600 foot navy destroyer should be able to get out of the way of a 1000 foot container ship no matter who is at fault.

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  12. benifranlkin says:

    Why is the injury to the ship it so dark and discolored? And if the tanker hit us here where the sailors sleep aren’t the missing sailors likely still right in the ship as they were on the Fitzgerald?

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  13. benifranlkin says:

    Why are our destroyers cruising very crowded shipping lanes with all these massive cargo ships? Is there some kind of military point to this? Maybe that’s what has to stop.

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    • Plato says:

      That’s not the problem, the USN operates in all maritime situations.
      The problem is on the bridge of the destroyer..
      End of story.

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      • benifranlkin says:

        ty

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        • Very true – bridge / command responsibility, period – absolute two worst things ( career ending things ) a navy ship captain can have happen to his ship in peacetime is run it aground or have a collision .

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          • Sayit2016 says:

            You are correct– for the most part a career-ender.

            My Dad was on the USS Missouri when it ran aground in January 1950 ( can you even imagine this a battleship ran a ground…she was 900 feet long) on Thimble Shoals-off the coast of Virginia, she carved a 2,500-foot long channel in the mud and ended up resting hard on the bottom, a full seven-feet above her waterline. They were trying everything to get her free– TNT her out- dig her out, tug her out—every tug on the Chesapeake was in on the action. People were writing letters from all over the country with suggestions. My Dad said after they tried to blast her out, all he could see for as far as he could see were concussed fish on their sides. They were eventually able to tug her out after removing everything that was not bolted down on the ship.

            Captain Brown was his ” relieved” command and four others were court marshaled. Admiral Smith, on the other hand survived it and went on to retire. Go figure…..

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  14. distracted2 says:

    What makes me suspicious is the timing and frequency of the last two incidents. One without the other could just be chalked up to human error. But two??? In one summer???

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    • G. Combs says:

      TWO of SIX of the ships most threatening to North Korea, China’s Attack dog?

      A China KNOWN for it’s Hacking….

      A China KNOWN for having bought and paid for the Clinton’s….

      A China just know under possible Trade sanctions/negotiations…

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      • G. Combs says:

        The Captain, Hubby’s father was a Ship’s captain during WWII for almost a decade. He NEVER had a collision or near collision and had command of several different vessels. He was merchant marine but was commandeered to carry troops for the US. (Free French from Algeria for example.)

        Ship collisions are NOT very common like auto accidents.

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  15. Bob Thoms says:

    Anyone know how morale is in the navy?

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  16. BigBlockMill says:

    It looks like we are losing destroyers. My initial reaction, months ago, was to look at North Korea and China. Suspicious cat says: since the OOD names are being withheld, I am wondering if the ships are being lost due to incompetent politically correct people in charge.

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    • georgiafl says:

      A lot of us are wondering/worrying about the effects of leftist PC on our troops. Like, maybe some transgender forgot to take his/her meds or took too many.

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  17. Bob Thoms says:

    These “mishaps” don’t enhance the confidence our allies place in our military ; nor do they put fear into our enemies.

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  18. Bob Thoms says:

    Projection of an un-defeatable Navy is weakened. Not a good thing.
    The heads of higher ups need to be held accountable……..

    These incidences are exposing problems in the policy making coming out of the Pentagon and Navy Headquarters.

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  19. yy4u says:

    Pray for the sailors. Our military deserve better than they receive.

    But the perverse side of me has to make the observation that just as Senator John McCain is a political loose cannon running ripshod over the American people so the ship that bears his name just did the same.

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  20. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-21/photos-videos-damaged-uss-john-mccain-emerge

    posted by -natashav Aug 21, 2017 11:43 AM
    Wayne Madsen Report details more information about this incident.
    (had to link zerohedge as Masden has “paid subscribing”

    “The McCain incident follows, by a week, the Navy’s decision to relieve the Fitzgerald’s Commanding Officer, Executive Officer, and Senior Master Chief Petty Officer of their duties for mistakes leading to the collision. The crew of the ACX Crystal was also blamed in the Navy’s official inquiry report into the collision. However, no blame was assigned to Fitzgerald’s sophisticated and expensive electronic systems, which should have alerted the crew of the proximity of the Crystal.

    The McCain possesses the same advanced navigational and surveillance systems as the Fitzgerald.The Navy’s official inquiry report also contains entire blacked out pages, an indication that the Navy may be covering up significant information pointing to other factors resulting in the mishap.

    There are reports from around the world of increased problems with Global Positioning Systems (GPS) that may result from electronic “spoofing” of satellite signals by hostile actors. Such spoofing attacks cause “fake” GPS signals to be transmitted.

    The Navy’s official inquiry into the Fitzgerald-Crystal collision did not delve into the points raised in our article. These included: “Why did the Fitzgerald not know of the Crystal’s close proximity via the container ship’s Automatic Identification System’s (AIS) repeated VHF radio transmissions? Although U.S. Navy ships have similar AIS systems, they often disable them when on sensitive missions. However, Navy ships routinely turn on their AIS systems when under the control systems of local vessel tracking services (VTS), such as the Tokyo Bay VTS. AIS systems are installed on some 400,000 ships, navigation buoys, lighthouses, and offshore oil drilling platforms around the world. If the Fitzgerald’s AIS was activated, there should have been a warning on both vessels of the Crystal’s close proximity. The Crystal’s AIS was squawking its location at the time of the collision, as evidenced by its track being transmitted to various websites, including Marinetraffic.com.”

    Crystal may have fallen victim to maritime cyber-hijacking of its Automatic Identification System and Electronic Chart Display and Information System (ECDIS). Some “white hat” hackers have previously hacked AIS systems, causing them to cease broadcasting their locations. In one case, hackers corrupting an AIS system managed to have a tug boat disappear from the Mississippi River. Not only did the tug disappear, but the hackers manipulated the AIS data to have it reappear on a lake in downtown Dallas, Texas. ECDIS, which replaces paper nautical charts, can also be hacked because its components of AIS, Navtex (navigational telex), radar, and depth sounders are all vulnerable to data manipulation. The satellite-based GPS has fallen victim to similar cyber-hacking attacks. In June twenty vessels in the Black Sea off the Russian city of Novorossiysk reported that their GPS systems placed them some 20 miles inland at Gelendzhik Airport in Russia.

    These same questions are germane to the collision of the McCain and Alnic MC. However, given the Navy’s traditional cover-up mode when reacting to disasters, we will likely be left with the same questions after the McCain collision board of inquiry issues its “findings.”

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    • Orygun says:

      The US had a spoofing component to our GPS signal so that by using post processing was the only way you could get accurate positions on the ground. I used to plot out the signal just for fun and it would move constantly and be as much as 1100 feet off.

      It is funny that during the Clintion era he turned that spoofing off basically giving everyone worldwide accurate positions based on our GPS before that the military only had devices that could get true positions. The Clintons were working for someone but it wasn’t us.

      The other player was the Russian GLONASS system and we had units that would read both sat systems and give you a position. You would think that the US Navy would have a system that would at least check positions between the two systems as a check on someone playing with the signal. I could see someone messing with one or the other sat systems but not both.

      The Air Force was responsible for the satellites the last time I was around and I must say they had a very lackadaisical group running it. I was not impressed by their professional attitude and that was 10 years ago.

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  21. Man with all the navigational equipment on ships these days it really makes me wonder how stuff like this happens. Was one of the Captain’s asleep or drugged up at the helm? Is there no warning system on these high priced ships? If not we should demand them because loss of life due to not having that type system or just plain negligence is inexcusable. Thoughts and prayers for the families and sailors.

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  22. oldME says:

    prayers for the lost. probably best to get this name away from the navy… on another note there sure seems to be a lot of merchant vessels crowding our grays these days – wonder if they serve the same purpose as “fishing vessels”?

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  23. Founding Fathers Fan says:

    Navy ships cannot stop on a dime nor spin out of the way. Our ships are being deliberately rammed and the media is covering it up with fake ‘news’.

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  24. My one question is to know how many collisions may have happened under Clinton and OBama administrations but were never reported? ALL catastrophes of any nature will receive full coverage with the media war. Homelessness and low morale of our military were both huge under Clinton and Obama, but no reports ever made it to the public, which allowed people to be ignorant of how these two desecrated our military and our economy.

    I’m just always suspicious when the regular media covers disasters under Trump, as if they didn’t happen under the other two goons.

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  25. S Nichols says:

    No one thinks this is hacking or intentional corruption of navigational charts/systems?

    A Navy representative was calling for review of procedures world-wide and these systems are complicated with many parts that could be exchanged for foreign rigged parts, etc.

    Personally I think there is to much reliance on computer guidance and it will lead to many deaths.

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