Wilbur Ross Hits Canada With Soft Wood Import Tariff…

How do you get congress to accept the NAFTA notification of intent letter? Why, you backstop the Canadian decision to undermine U.S. dairy farm exports by applying equity import tariffs and offsetting losses to U.S. manufacturers.

First stop, lumber mills. ie U.S. regional impacts, not coincidentally, represented by key Democrat constituents.

The congressional delegations from Washington State and Oregon happen to be mostly elected Democrats; and they happen to applaud the efforts; which means they are not able to criticize the approach. Hmm, it’s almost as if Wilburine and POTUS had a strategy or something.   Nah, couldn’t be.

(Via CNN) These are the first tariffs imposed by President Trump, who during his election campaign threatened to use them on imports from both China and Mexico. The decision on Monday is bound to lead to a standoff and could stoke fears of a trade war between the US and Canada, two of the world’s largest trade powers.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said the tariffs, or taxes, announced Monday evening were being imposed after trade talks on dairy products fell through.

“It has been a bad week for US-Canada trade relations,” Ross said in a statement. Trump’s tariffs come as the US, Canada and Mexico prepare to renegotiate NAFTA, the free trade agreement among the three countries that came into being in 1994. Trump has directed almost all of his NAFTA criticism at Mexico, which makes this decision even more surprising.

When Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau visited Trump in February, Trump said he only expected to be “tweaking” the US-Canada trade relationship.

The tariffs — also called duties — ranged from 3% to 24% on specifically five Canadian lumber companies. For all other Canadian lumber companies, there’s a nearly 20% duty imposed on exports to the US.

The five firms were: West Fraser Mills, Tolko Marketing and Sales, J.D. Irving, Canfor Corporation, and Resolute FP Canada. West Fraser Mills will pay the highest duty of 24%.

The duties were imposed to create a level playing field for American lumber companies.

U.S. lumber companies allege Canadian firms are provided with unfair subsidies by the Canadian government.

Canadian exports of softwood lumber to the U.S. were valued at $5.6 billion last year, according to the Commerce Department.

The Commerce Department said the duties are preliminary and a final determination will be made in September. The U.S. Lumber Coalition, which represents the industry, said the duties will likely take effect starting sometime next week. The Commerce Department wasn’t available to clarify. (read more)

REACTION: Senator Ron Wyden (Democrat-Oregon.), the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, applauded the Commerce Department’s decision.

“Unfairly traded softwood lumber from Canada has for decades hurt mill towns and American millworkers in Oregon and across the country,” Wyden said.

“Today’s announcement sends the message that help is on the way,” he said. (link)

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206 Responses to Wilbur Ross Hits Canada With Soft Wood Import Tariff…

  1. jdvalk says:

    So it’s been an issue for decades, Wyden? And this is the first time I remember it being addressed in a tangible way…

    Liked by 58 people

    • Beryl Bomb says:

      And on top of that, Wyden, where have you been?

      Liked by 38 people

    • WSB says:

      Hearing about it?

      Liked by 7 people

    • snailmailtrucker says:

      Ron Wyden is my Senator…what a waste !

      Liked by 9 people

      • Indimex says:

        Same here. It’s great to be represented by a New Yorker. I’m surprised he remembers we still have lumber mills in Oregon. He’s certainly done nothing significant, that I’m aware of, to foster their sustainability.

        Liked by 7 people

      • farmhand1927 says:

        His quote given here would make an excellent TV ad to run against him when he runs for reelection. Proves he’s done nothing and been rewarded for it by getting reelected in the past–the cornerstone of today’s Democrat Party. Also shows when a true leader gathers a team of experts and hard workers that ignore PC and get to work, even liberals can see the error of their ways sometimes and admit their fecklessness.

        Liked by 8 people

      • Betty says:

        I called him and all my guts would let me say was “Shame on You !” over and over again.

        Shame on him, shame on them all, democrat and republican alike.

        Liked by 4 people

    • chiefworm says:

      Don’t forget that the Feral Grubbermint has been mismanaging the forest-lands all under the guise of “protecting the environment”. Spotted Owl…I hear they taste great. Delta smelt…I hear they make good bait. All while the under-story growth builds up until a normally manageable fire explodes into a nearly unstoppable inferno (Biscuit) and then tell loggers they can’t harvest the burned trees. The Feral Grubberment was never chartered to manage state lands. For us Jeffersonian’s Wyden is a MORON.

      Liked by 36 people

      • Indimex says:

        Nailed it.

        Liked by 3 people

      • JoAnn Leichliter says:

        In one of the great ironies of “conservation,” naturalists realized a few years ago that the primary cause of the decline in Spotted Owl numbers was an increase in the number of Barred Owls in their territory. Nice to know, after the destruction of an entire industry.

        Liked by 11 people

      • farmhand1927 says:

        Spot on, chiefworm. The raging forest fires especially in the west, many that are caused by people and others that are a result of lightning strikes get out of hand due to millions of dead pines.

        The West has been ravaged by the pine beetle. Rocky Mountain Nat’l Park is a prime example. The dead wood has some very valuable uses, however. One use is it can be converted to pellets for wood stoves, but that’s been a problem because our EPA of the past had a bad attitude abt burning wood in spite of advanced technology for cleaner emissions developed by wood and pellet stove manufacturers. Also, once the beetle kills the tree the wood takes on beautiful shades of blue streaking making it highly desirable for wood paneling. When a lumber store gets some of it in stock it is quickly bought up.

        The problem has been a federal govt that restricts cutting the diseased trees down, Instead, they stand there as perfect tinder if a fire starts. Had we harvested diseased trees years ago, we could have greatly reduced the spread of the beetle and saved millions of trees. Instead, millions of acres in the high country of western states are brown where beautiful dark green pine and spruce trees once stood. Agreed, causes such as lightning strikes are nature’s way of purifying and restoring timber land but because people have built homes and communities in vast expanses of forest, being proactive in the health and management of forested areas is required.

        Another separate issue, but one of great importance was the fact that Obama took many air tankers used to fight forest fires out of service–the number decreased dramatically between his and GW Bush’s administration. Slowly, more tankers have been put back into service but in Colorado, there have been homes destroyed that might have been saved if air tankers were at the ready and if the red tape and chain of command hold-up’s that existed to get them in the air hadn’t obstructed the process.

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        • NvMtnOldman says:

          There are 24 times as much acreage burned in Nevada as in 1964, Limited grazing and the BLM arsonists and their so called “controlled burns” that always get out of hand. I always thought the BLM and Forest Service were formed to PROTEECT our forests, not destroy them. Last year they down all the evergreens in a local because , get this, “they are not natural”. There are controlled burn areas that are nothing but cheet grass and highly flammable now. It is crazy.

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        • Trumppin says:

          ^^^TRUTH ^^^^
          Living in the South Dakota Black Hills I know exactly what you are talking about!

          Liked by 3 people

      • Betty says:

        I am long past accepting “mismanagement” as a explanation for anything our government does. Everything they (our elected representatives) do is calculated to benefit THEMSELVES first, then some ONE else, OR some business group.

        They just breath a sigh of relief when we let them off the hook by saying “mismanagement” or “spineless, folders” (remember that one). Mismanagement and folding under pressure is forgivable, out and out corruption is not.

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    • Charlie says:

      Great way to start the day : )
      LOL, Pelosi! Photo needs to be front cover of “how to be liberal” book.

      Liked by 1 person

    • free2313 says:

      If both countries, Canada and US both have soft wood, dairy, beef and other similar products, why do they bother selling the same products, to each other ?
      Canada should sell their goods and services and over abundant resources to other countries around the world, just like USA does.
      That would solve the problem between Canada/US trade difficulties unfair trade deficits.

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      • Betty says:

        You have to look for who benefits from the US buying lumber from Canada.

        Liked by 3 people

      • Betty says:

        A long time ago, I read that the delta smelt was just an excuse to shut off the water to family farms that had been held for generations so that they would have go bankrupt and sell their land to corporations.

        I don’t know it that is true or not, but I bet Nancy Pelosi would know.

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      • Jenny R says:

        The dairy trade issue revolves around filtered milk — used in cheese making, has longer shelf life, U.S. producers have an inside track on producing filtered milk which led to their dominance of the market, lately Canadian producers started getting into that market and want government protections of the domestic market for this.
        The lumber issue has been a back and forth thing for years — Canada has the market dominance there and wants to keep it; U.S. logging wants a bigger share of the market.
        It’s easier to sell to each other due to distance to market/price ratio.

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  2. MakeAmericaGreat says:

    Multi-dimensional chess is best played with fellow masters.

    Like Wilburine.

    Love it. Love it.

    Liked by 40 people

  3. Sedanka says:

    Accomplished businesspersons versus political clowns. I can’t express adequately what a joy this is to watch.

    Liked by 48 people

  4. Sentient says:

    Bwahahaha. It’s strategery like this that gives me hope that some of the seemingly interventionist foreign policy statements are, indeed, 3D chess.

    Liked by 23 people

    • Remington..... says:

      What thing our “killers” work is like being in the valley of the Gods. Just for a second, just a second, think back over the last eight year. The wankers we had to put up with. What a point of reference.

      Liked by 6 people

  5. KenG says:

    hmmm
    nary a peep from the Oregonian /s

    Liked by 14 people

  6. maiingankwe says:

    I think this is great news for our lumber companies, quite fabulous really. However, I am still concerned about our dairy farmers. Early this morning I saw an interview with one of Wisconsin’s top dairy farmer and he’s expressed that Trump needs to help them before May first, otherwise, him and others will go out of business. It’s all the time they have.

    Our Wilbur wolverine has told us that their talks with Canada has fallen through with regards to our dairy farmers. Do you think Canada will change their stance? If so, don’t you think they would expect their lumber companies to receive the same percent they had before this announcement?

    Or will Canada change their minds and continue buying from our dairy farmers in hopes Wilbur and our President will just hurt their lumber companies and leave the rest alone? Will this bring them to the table in hopes of favorable or at least equal trade? So our dairy farmers won’t have to go out of business?

    Yes, I’m stuck on our dairy farmers. I spent a lot of my formative years growing up in Wisconsin, I still have family there, and it will always hold a special place in my heart. So yeah, I do worry about them.

    I’m not a chess player, so if anyone can explain how this will help our dairy farmers as well, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
    Ma’iingankwe

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    • @ maiingankwe:
      Under NAFTA, Canada taxes our dairy products up to 292%, depending on fat content.
      This is the first step in forcing the Congress to accept Sec. Ross letter of intent to renegotiate NAFTA.
      We hit them on their exports first; Congress likes that now and then will accept his letter of intent to renegotiate and our dairy products will not have the tariffs.
      Looks to me like it’s part of the strategy that all the political class screams that Pres.Trump and his Admin. are either too inexperienced or just plain stupid and cannot handle a renegotiation of NAFTA.
      But it all boils down to the UniParty fighting Pres. Trump and his Admin. to control the swamp.
      My money is on Pres. Trump and his Admin.

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      • maiingankwe says:

        Abigailstraight,
        My money is on our President too. Thank you for explaining things, I’m understanding it a bit better now. A 292% tax is highway robbery in my opinion. I had no idea.

        Thank goodness we have our President on our side. It is not only new and refreshing, it’s the way it should be.

        Thank you for not coming down on me as if I was a maroon. Wisconsin may be 4,000 miles away, but the state and her people will always be near and dear to my heart.

        You did good explaining. Be well,
        Ma’iingankwe

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        • Why thank you maiingankwe; we’re all in this together.
          No need for anyone to get all flustered and panties in a bunch over every liddle wrinkle; but these are stressful times and the country is divided more now than in some time but certainly not in history.
          There is hope but unfortunately, so much has been lost with the progressive movement taking control over the past several decades(even under so-called conservative R leadership), that I fear there is great part of our republic that will be forever lost.
          Perhaps I will be proven wrong over time.

          Liked by 1 person

          • maiingankwe says:

            I hope you will be proven wrong too. Sometimes I just have to remind myself he’s only been in office for 90 some days. He’s done amazing things for us, and he’s so dang smart. Patience is a virtue I will keep working on.

            God Bless you and everyone here. Be well, and thank you.
            Ma’iingankwe

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      • mopar2016 says:

        And the milk producers in Wisconsin hire illegal aliens to milk their cows.
        Americans won’t do it for eight dollars per hour, but the illegals will.
        If they can’t pay a living wage they need to go out of business.
        Otherwise Wisconsin will start looking like Illinois or some other third world dump.

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        • It’s the same all over but I don’t blame the farmers, I blame the damn federal government from interfering in the farmers business practices going back to the 1950’s; setting the price of milk and paying the farmers to let their land lay fallow and dictating what crops the farmers shall grow for profit and profitability. It killed many farmers, my Dad was one, and I’ll never forget or forgive the federal government for destroying the family farm, the family farmers and all that they held dear to them.
          All they had to do was let the market place work but they were smarter than the farmers.
          There was a time in this country when the family farmers took care of and provided for anyone who was hungry in this country, until the smarter people in the federal government had a better idea. That is when the middleman made all the money, the federal government gained all the control and family farm DIED.
          What we have today in this country is a federal government fueled and operated world wide agricultural conglomerate and we the stupid people are allowed to piddle-paddle, dibble-dabble in ‘hobby farming’ but don’t give away the raw milk and honey or it is fine and jail time involved.
          It’s all rotten.

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    • sundance says:

      The faster congress accepts the NAFTA intent letter, the faster the Trump administration can provide the structural relief and benefit within renegotiated trade deals.

      Remember, Trump has said he’s willing to just throw out NAFTA before he’ll allow continuance of trade policy that undermines those people you are concerned about.

      Liked by 41 people

      • WSB says:

        Bing, Bing…BOOM!

        Liked by 4 people

      • Duckman says:

        If you can get Ryanpeloski, and Mtich the cockeyed turtle to act like majority leadership, then maybe a lot could happen. They’re waiting on their bosses over at K street.

        Liked by 1 person

      • maiingankwe says:

        Thank you Sundance. You and Abigailstraight did well in explaining it better for me along with MissMarples2 shared tweet. I will definitely be passing this on to friends and family back home.

        It’s unfortunate they are being bombarded by liberal news through their news channels and newspapers. At least some know there is more than what is being said, and those numbers are always growing thanks to people like you and your fellow Treepers.

        Thank you for all that you do. This is really important to me, and I need to understand it in order to pass it on back home. Thanks for straightening out my rudder, I’m good to go.
        Be well,
        Ma’iingankwe

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      • free2313 says:

        If both countries, Canada and US both have soft wood, dairy, beef and other similar products, why do they bother selling the same products, to each other ?
        Canada should sell their goods and services and over abundant resources to other countries around the world, just like USA does.
        That would solve the problem between Canada/US trade difficulties unfair trade deficits.

        Liked by 1 person

    • missmarple2 says:

      Relax. He’s got this. (And I am beginning to think he reads this site!)

      Liked by 6 people

      • maiingankwe says:

        Thank MissMarple2, that tweet meant a lot to me, and I will pass his message on to those I know in Wisconsin. There aren’t a lot of farmers I know who do twitter, then again, times have changed. All I know is our President is well aware, more so than most and he will fight for us. God Bless him. Thank you. My heart is much steadier.
        Ma’iingankwe

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      • kimosaabe says:

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    • I can agree with you, “maiingankwe” My Grand-Father & Family were Dairy Farmers, in Wis. (Bancroft, Wis to be exact).. old German name, My Family arrived there from Prussia before WWI..
      Lost the Dairy Farm, due to NAFTA. I watched as a kid when a Tanker Truck just “dumped” Whole Milk into a ditch… That was what it was worth.. I was about 6 & 7 years old at the time, though this was “pre-NAFTA”, it was around 1970~1972..
      Used to help My Grand-Pa, “Milk” the cows, open valves etc, watch the gauges, tank(s) levels. Bail Hay to the cows, Wash down(s), shoo the cows this way or that.. Starting @ 5am every morning.. never a Day off! XD XD
      I really miss drinking that Milk, FRESH, quickly chilled on Ma corn flakes in the Early Morn after those chores were done..
      Sorry to Jack the thread folks..
      Point is OUR Dairy Farmers need help…
      I honestly miss My Grand-Pa’s Dairy Farm.. 😦

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      • Around, Bancroft, Wisconsin, I meant my Grand-Pa’s Family Farm was..

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        • maiingankwe says:

          It’s okay, as an old wisconite I knew what you meant. Bancroft is a very, common German name with money behind it. At least from what I remember. A lot of Bancroft businesses.

          Those are the best memories aren’t they? Growing up with grandma and grandpa and they giving you all of that responsibility as you were growing up. And you’re right, farmers never get a day off, not even Xmas. Those cows don’t milk themselves as I used to hear often enough.

          I grew up in central and northern Wisconsin with the central part being mostly dairy farmers. I remember those high schools having the best football teams too. Strong boys.

          Thank you for sharing your memories, I find those to be my favorite posts.

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    • farmhand1927 says:

      President Trump hosted a meeting yesterday with conservative media and he discussed the plight of the American dairy farmer. Our new Ag Secretary is finally in place so we should see some action. Citizens will likely have to lean on their elected rep’s to speed the process.

      Keep in mind, American farmers and livestock producers have already benefitted inside the First 100 Days with President Trump’s EO that returned control of water on their land back to the landowner, such as streams, springs and ponds, including stock ponds. Also, our new EPA chief is working on rolling back other obstructions to freedom and over regulation that has hampered the ag industry.

      The Swamp’s mire and muck is deep, thick and stubborn but our President has his hip waders on and he’s on the job. Some of the work won’t be accomplished as quickly as we’d like to see but the wheels are turning…. Have patience and faith.

      Liked by 7 people

      • buzzybee says:

        How true, Farmhand. Our country didn’t get into this swampy mess overnight, and we won’t get out of it overnight either. But we have a great start with a POTUS who has a great heart!

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  7. Linda says:

    This isn’t the only problem Oregon has regarding lumber, though. The thing that really shut down the lumber industry was the federal government suddenly not letting logging companies cut timber on national forest land, as they had been paying to do for decades. When most of Oregon is owned by the federal government, you can begin to understand the problem. We have mill towns all over Oregon that are almost ghost towns. And it drastically affected school funding, since part of the money paid by the industry went to schools. Oregon has never really recovered economically from that huge hit. I believe it happened during the Clinton administration.

    Liked by 23 people

    • Beenthere says:

      And then houses went down in price so that the crazy liberal and poor Californians relocated.

      Liked by 7 people

    • wheatietoo says:

      I would like to see a lot of our ‘Federal Lands’ be put up for sale.

      It is simply not fair to States where the Feral Govt is the biggest land owner.
      People may :::gasp::: at the prospect of selling off Federal Land, but we have been brainwashed to accept this situation.

      It is a way for the elitists ‘back East’ to have unfair control over our Western States.
      It smacks of being a feudal system…with Kings owning the majority of the land.

      With more land in the hands of private citizens, more Jobs will be created.
      More Jobs will create more wealth for the middle class…and more revenue for those States and for the fed treasury.

      This is something that is long overdue.

      Liked by 36 people

      • WSB says:

        Wheaton, I so agree! All…. it is governmental intervention, at its worst!

        Liked by 4 people

        • WSB says:

          Sorry, Wheatie, WordPress again!

          Liked by 1 person

          • citizen817 says:

            Oct. 13, 2010
            Meet The 25 Land Barons Who Collectively Own 1% Of America

            The 25 biggest landowners in America own 20 million acres — nearly 1% of the country — according to new data from The Land Report.

            #9 Reed Family owns 770,000 acres
            Land: 770,000 acres of timber across California, Oregon, and Washington.

            Background: After Mark Reed married the daughter of Sol Simpson at the turn of the century, the Reed family continues to operate the privately owned Simpson Investment Company that is one of the oldest forest products companies in the Pacific Northwest.

            John Malone overtook Ted Turner at #1

            Full List in the link

            http://www.businessinsider.com/biggest-landowners-america?op=1/#reed-family-owns-770000-acres-17

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          • Wheatie, I’ve been living through this since Clinton shut down the national forests. What you say is true, but here’s what you may not know, since selling federal lands to private landowners and/or state governments is not a familiar concept in the eastern US.

            Here’s how it goes: Many, many people subscribe to the statement that “these are public lands.” That means, owned by the public. That means – “ME!” I own that land and you will sell that land over my dead body! Some Oregon Congressman actually said that not too long ago.

            Too many non-Oregonians living in Portland, Eugene and Bend. How often do you think they go out and visit “their” land? How about never! The fire and logging roads have been mostly removed. This is such a mess, I weep.

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      • Bob says:

        Clinton and Obama knew if they didn’t let the loggers into the govt forest that the undergrowth would become a problem, then when the dry spell set in the forest reacted just as plan and burned and burned. Giving President Bush the younger some credit, he wanted to more and the Dems shot him down.

        Liked by 4 people

        • Old Codger says:

          For Bush the younger (and Sr. as well!) that meant “reaching out to Democrats,” which for him was like moving his hand from his right pants pocket to his left pants pocket!

          Liked by 1 person

      • NickD says:

        Sell the land and diver the funds to the big, beautiful wall!

        Liked by 5 people

      • JoAnn Leichliter says:

        The Federal Government owns about 1/3 of the United States. And if you think that means “the people” own it, just try to access some of it sometime. Much of this land needs to be returned to the States or sold to private parties. Then perhaps the remainder could be better managed, and we would be spared future federal land grabs.

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        • Deep Blue C says:

          I would add one tweak to your idea–require that the land only be sold to AMERICANS. If you haven’t noticed, China and other countries are buying up our land left and right!!!

          Liked by 17 people

          • farmhand1927 says:

            The Chinese also bought up large numbers of foreclosed homes after the housing crash. Chinese immigrants that aren’t learning English are flooding the western states, and Chinese workers obtained work visa’s in massive numbers under Obama’s Admin.

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      • Searkreb says:

        I agree, private landownership would increase property taxes and help ensure better land management practices in many cases

        Liked by 5 people

        • Yeah, Searkreb, you got that right! You should see the difference between privately and publicly-managed forestlands. Well-managed, clean, healthy trees on private land, like the Simpson land, also Weyerhaeuser, etc. vs. brush-filled, insect-infected and untended, sick trees in the national forests.

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      • Reminds Me of “District(s)” in the *Hunger Games movies*…

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      • farmhand1927 says:

        The fed’s under Obama bought up huge parcels of land that previously were privately owned to expand govt control. In the case of land auctions, it was often the Federal Gov’t that showed up armed with the biggest purse and able to make the buy, thanks to the U.S. taxpayer. All done under the guise of wanting to return land back to it’s natural state and create natural environments for wildlife. It was about taking control of as much land as possible.

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    • Plain Jane says:

      That and the spotted owls. 🙂

      Save the spotted owl. Collect a whole set.

      Liked by 5 people

      • WSB says:

        I like that one…next gas station.

        Liked by 2 people

      • Did anyone ever verify that spotted owls were endangered? Cuz libs seem to love throwing animals on the endangered list, especially when it interferes with business.

        Liked by 3 people

        • JoAnn Leichliter says:

          The actual primary cause of the decline of Spotted Owl numbers turned out to be an increase of the numbers of Barred Owls (a larger competitor) in its terrirory. That doesn’t make it less endangered, but it should give us a clue as to management–if we were dealing with rational agencies.

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          • Not that I have anything against spotted owls, but that sounds like evolution in action right there. Why aren’t liberals standing back and letting their crazy ideas run their course? You would think that they would.

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            • The unverified “reasoning” for closing down “old growth” or as some like to say “ancient” forests was the spotted owls needed old-growth forest for their breeding. Of course, that was contrary to the many observations by actual, real Oregon and Washington nature lovers who saw spotted owl nests in second and third growth forests all over. Ignored, of course.

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      • fuzzi says:

        “Save the spotted owl. Collect a whole set.”

        Hahahahaha!

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    • chiefworm says:

      Linda, the grubbermint at least used to provide payment (sort of like taxes) on the lands they held….then they decided they didn’t need to pony up. Mill towns quickly went bankrupt. County Sheriff’s Offices closed and locals started to patrol to keep the peace. The lands have always belonged to the STATE, not the Feds! Wyden should be ashamed…but alas, he is a demoncrap.

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      • no-nonsense-nancy says:

        I read a while back that when the western territories anted to become states, Teddy Roosevelt was president, the federal government stipulated that they had to relinguish a certain amount of their land to the federal government That’s how it all started. The territories must not have had very good negotiators on their side. They all got rotten deals.

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        • No nonsense, actually it was the other way around. The fed govt claimed all unclaimed land and “promised” to release it to the states when the states achieved statehood.. Didn’t happen. After all, there was forestland as far as the eye could see in all directions.

          To be fair, one reason was that loggers could cut down trees and only pay for the trees – they didn’t have to buy the land – hence no thought for the future.. This led to many trees being cut and few forest lands being replanted until the states started to require re-planting.

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      • The payments were based on logging receipts. When forests were shut down, logging was shut down, money stopped coming to counties. Another way to kill the mills and small towns, forcing people to move to the city or to Alaska.

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  8. wheatietoo says:

    Brilliant move by Sec Ross…the first of many, I am sure.

    So of course CNN immediately mentions “fears of a trade war between Canada and US”.
    Idiots.

    Hey CNN, we’ve already been in a trade war.
    With everyone!

    Every country we trade with, sticks it to us in some way.
    Our elected leaders and their toadies haven’t cared…and even worse, they have facilitated it!

    So I don’t want to hear about “trade war”.
    We’ve already been in a frigging trade war…and we’ve been getting our butts kicked.

    With Pres Trump at the helm, and commander Wilbur on the front lines, we will finally have a fighting chance.

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    • sundance says:

      …”So I don’t want to hear about “trade war”. We’ve already been in a frigging trade war…and we’ve been getting our butts kicked.”…

      That is so true. It is one of the fundamental truisms ignored by the economic deniers for decades.

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      • NickD says:

        sundance, I know you’re busy and already put so much into this refuge, but is it within your werewithal to write on the trade war that’s been waged under the radar for the last 20+ years (especially w/ NAFTA, China, etc)? Or has that already been addressed here?

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      • It’s amazing that the regulations & protections built into NAFTA haven’t been enforced from day one! It feels so good to see our government functioning in an effective & fair manner, insisting that the rules be adhered to & imposing countermeasures when they’re not.

        We don’t need new regulations, in a lot of cases, we need them enforced & administered in accordance with the rules set forth. This basic, common sense approach to everything in government will go a long way to fixing our problems. We’ve had incompetent, ineffectual, disloyal & ideological politicians, government officials and bureaucrats mismanaging and misapplying established policies and regulations for decades, in favor of other countries.

        President Obama and his Administration were the most blatant stonewallers of policy enforcement…. but really, the U. S. government, led by President Papa Bush & all of his successors, has failed the American people. Their globalist goals perverted the implementation of the real policies. How refreshing to have a true “America First” approach. We haven’t had that since the Reagan Era.

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        • Bendix says:

          Same with immigration laws, we, in many cases, need enforcement, not new laws.
          Obama also “reformed” financial crime with new laws, which basically made the crime legal.

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  9. BobBoxBody says:

    This is ultimately how Trump undermines the Lamestream Media’s nonstop propaganda. He keeps tackling issues that affect people at the most fundamental and local level. The LSM keep puking up their fake news, in the meantime, the folks at the bottom are seeing direct results from Trump’s policies. In the end, they will trust their lying eyes over what the LSM tells them.

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  10. Might be the right thing to do, but won’t help Trump politically in Oregon.
    Rural Oregon already voted for Trump.
    Urban Oregon already voted against Trump, and cutting more trees or opening mills will just make the liberals even more insane.

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  11. That strategy though… absolutely brilliant! Force Congress to move forward on NAFTA renegotiation, using policy Western Democrats can’t attack, sticking it to Trudeau, and protecting American jobs! {Claps hands} Bravo! #MoreWinning 😀 😀 😀

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  12. KevinK says:

    This action was prompted by alleged unfair dairy product trade practices by Canada:

    “Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said the tariffs, or taxes, announced Monday evening were being imposed after trade talks on dairy products fell through.”

    President Trump has called Canada’s treatment of US dairy farmers “disgraceful”

    And yet here is an interesting fact. The US EXPORTS almost six times the amount of dairy products to Canada than it IMPORTS:

    U.S. dairy EXPORTS to Canada in 2016: $670 Million (up 14% from year before)
    Source: http://www.usdec.org/research-and-data/top-charts

    U.S. dairy IMPORTS from Canada in 2016: $112.5 Million
    Source: http://aimis-simia-cdic-ccil.agr.gc.ca/rp/index-eng.cfm?report_format_type_code=21&action=gR&signature=1FE22A9D5256F814D85E96B441FDED4B&pdctc=&r=139&pTpl=1&btnDownload=View

    Why is the US beating up Canada over trade in dairy products when Canada is one of the best customer’s for US dairy products in the World? On a per capita basis Canada is the BEST customer of US dairy products. By comparison – China – with a population of over a Billion people only imports $384 Million in dairy products from the US.

    In terms of over-all trade with Canada the US enjoys a ~$10 Billion trade SURPLUS in goods and services with Canada. If only all trade relationships with the US were this good and yet President Trump described the trade relationship with Canada as a “disaster” and singled out Canada for punishment before going after Mexico or China or Korea or Japan countries for which the US has massive trade DEFICITS?

    When are import tariffs of 25% going to be slapped on products coming from Mexico for which the US has a $50 Billion trade DEFICIT? My guess is this will never happen because the products are for the most part being made by American companies that shipped jobs South. There is no way Ford, GM or Chrysler are going to stand for tariffs put on their cars coming in from Mexico. When are 25% tariff’s going to be slapped on products from China which enjoys a $340 Billion SURPLUS over the US?

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    • Summer says:

      Um… In 2014, the US goods trade deficit with Canada was $35 billion, and in 2015 — $15 billion. Are you saying we have a trade surplus now?

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      • KevinK says:

        You are forgetting SERVICES. In 2015 the US enjoyed a $11.9 Billion SURPLUS in goods and SERVICES! The “services” jobs are some of the highest paid in the area’s of IT/Business consulting etc.. Also consider among the “goods” imports from Canada are oil resources. Far better for the U.S. to import oil from Canada than Saudi Arabia – the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world

        Source: U.S. $11.9 Billion trade surplus in goods and services with Canada in 2015
        https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada

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        • KevinK says:

          From my above link:

          U.S.-Canada Trade Facts

          U.S. goods and services trade with Canada totaled an estimated $662.7 billion in 2015. Exports were $337.3 billion; imports were $325.4 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $11.9 billion in 2015.

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          • Frankly Ben says:

            Aren’t you missing the point, KevinK?

            The issue is not one of trade surpluses or deficits. The issue is what barriers are being unfairly, arbitrarily and capriciously levied by governments on the otherwise free flow of goods and services.

            Reciprocal trade policy is imminently reasonable. You don’t tax my products and I won’t tax yours. You tax mine – I will respond in kind.

            Fair’s fair, a level playing field is established and an incentive established to deal fairly and straight with one another.

            This behavior is as true for nations as it is for individuals.

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            • free2313 says:

              Free Flow of Goods and Services?
              Seriously do you really believe US would permit free flow of goods and services across their borders?
              When one speaks about monetary manipulation Americans play that game almost as expertly as the Chinese government.
              North America’s three countries either grows strong together or it will have no real power in this global nasty environment.

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              • Frankly Ben says:

                Just a definition, free2313, just a definition.

                One reason this site is so popular is the strongly-felt revulsion against the fascist alliance between international corporations and US politicians that stick it to us all on trade as well as domestic issues.

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        • NickD says:

          Maybe Trump is more interested in goods than services…he does champion blue-collar workers (ahem…Michigan…ahem…Pennsylvania…ahem…Wisconsin…ahem…Ohio…ahem)

          Liked by 2 people

          • jokin says:

            And closing in on Minnesota for 2018 and 2020.

            Liked by 2 people

          • I was gonna say, I havent heard that a heavy service based economy is a good thing. We need to be making goods too.

            Liked by 2 people

          • fred2w says:

            Sundance has made the same point in several posts that President Trump’s policies are intended to shift America back to a more beneficial goods based economy.

            Liked by 2 people

            • Bendix says:

              A country that doesn’t manufacture anything is not a secure nation.

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            • Kathy says:

              Daniel Greenfield recently captured “production” using a different lens. Once again, he truly “gets” something I see President Trump determined to fix. I won’t post a URL – still bruised from yesterday’s oops — but can offer a sampling:

              THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
              A PRODUCTION SOCIETY
              & A RATIONING SOCIETY
              by Daniel Greenfield, 23APR2017
              Freedom Outpost Dot Com

              [snippets]: “In a production society, people compete for production. In a rationing society, people compete for entitlements.” … “The production society values innovation because it is the only means of sustaining its forward momentum.” … “The rationing society however is threatened by innovation because innovation threatens its control over production.” … “Our institutions now depend on a class of managers who fill the ranks of the institutions of the public and private sector, who produce little, but whose goal is to make production completely predictable. And we are, in short, being managed to death.”

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          • PDJT is trying to bring back the “hard currency” jobs that left…By NOT focusing on Service Jobs provides the vehicle in which to jump start the state economies and in turn the WHOLE United States.

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        • Summer says:

          No, I am not forgetting services, I am simply talking about GOODS. Only goods. Because lumber and dairy ARE GOODS, not services. And there is a trade imbalance in goods. Billions of dollars kinda imbalance. Oh, and it does not even matter because the actual problem is DUMPING, here.

          Nice try, though.

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      • wheatietoo says:

        And judging by the bogus figures on Unemployment and Inflation, that the Obama administration spewed out…I would bet that those trade deficit figures were actually higher than that.

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    • Kintbury says:

      This is a bogus argument. We don’t import and export the same goods back and forth. We buy lumber, they buy dairy. We still import more than we export which needs to be adjusted. America has been on the short end of the stick long enough.

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  13. Summer says:

    I expect Principled Conservative Weasels to start b-ing about Muh Free Trade any minute now.

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  14. A2 says:

    I expect that the name ‘Wilbur’ will top the charts of US baby names, Wilburina for the fair sex.
    😀

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  15. BG2 says:

    On the same basis Airbus better watch its back.
    That “very special” multi govt subsidised entity dumps aircraft at cost plus worldwide.
    Watch the A 380 get remaindered since Emirates doesn’t want the 150 it fantasised about.

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  16. LoveofUSA says:

    The next 8 years are going to be the best years of the last 20-some years.
    It is so refreshing to be able to watch and see how politics get played out in the way it should have been doen in the first place.
    I so look forward to it, knowing it is going to benefit us and our country

    “Thank You so much, President Trump and all your cabinet.
    May the Lord watch over you all and guide you in ways with these gifts each one of you have to help make Make America Great Again. You all are so blessed and appreciated by your supporters.”

    I have hppy warm fuzzies tonight.–(whew! we really dodge that H-bullet last Nov election)

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    • Alison says:

      Ditto your feelings! Best cabinet ever. How gratifying for men like AG Sessions & Secretary Ross to have this opportunity to right so many wrongs for our country.

      Liked by 3 people

      • A2 says:

        The American people, with their great tolerance, to their credit, know a Lunatic when they see one. The Lunatic supporters know this also. They just need time to sort this out on their phones, their delusions, and accept their abject failure. It takes time, like the tides, but like the tides, it will be erased like all their footprints only to resurrected in sad movies and talking airheads.

        The rest of us will be having a laugh.

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        • LoveofUSA says:

          Good point about the tides–
          Real American people who chose to stay and wait is like a cat waiting in stillness for a mouse to move into the perfect position for the cat to pounce on–that little tip of the tail switching ever so slightly. American people will not abandon their country, no matter how desperate things get. We just wait it out and watch. This is also how we know who our anti-American enemies are here.

          And that is exactly what Donald J. Trump did. He ran for president twice, but saw problems firsthanded with the way all candidates campaigning, was being played out. He got out quickly to research ‘the Whys and the Hows’ and corrected themThe bonus?-Trump saved his own campaign money for later campaignings!! Isn’t that so like him?

          So Donald Trump jump in again in June 2015, full of confidence, knowing he has this, and reassuring us he has this, too. For me it was that magic word “WALL”, the word I had been waiting for for over 30 years.

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    • An American says:

      Love, I think the next 8 years are going to be the best since the 1950’s.

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  17. M33 says:

    I am not sure I can put “war” and “Canada” in the same sentence with “United States” without it sounding like a Kids in the Hall sketch.

    Liked by 1 person

  18. snailmailtrucker says:

    The Democrats in Oregon have Decimated the Lumber Industry here and they have gone so far as to set in place regulations for removing old growth that are Fire Hazards and actually Provide Fuel for Forest Fires !

    These Criminal Democrats running Oregon Belong in Insane Asylums !

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  19. Duckman says:

    So…..you’re saying all we have had to do for “decades” is say no and we will punish you if you don’t comply? What a concept. Seems I remember my mother telling me something like that once, er several times. Back in the day of course :/

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  20. Donna in Oregon says:

    President Trump will turn Oregon back to a red state. The more jobs, the more working people, the more Trump voters. Watch and see 🙂

    Liked by 4 people

    • fangdog says:

      The east half of Washington, Oregon and California are already “red states”. They need to make a Chile out of those three States from Mexico to Canada.

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    • I hope you are right Donna.

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    • MouseChop says:

      Portland is blue and some of Salem. The rest of the state bleeds red but never enough to change an election. I could never understand how that was possible. I can’t hold a candle to most of my fellow treepers. However, I’ve been here a few years just filling my pockets with pearls and gems of truth. Now, I have an factual based opinion on why one city like Portland, Oregon can make a red state blue.
      Donna,you will know in an instant when someone is trying to hand you a fugazi! It’s hilarious to hear the immediate volume escalate off the charts. Actually, it’s very comforting knowing this is a safe refuge for pursuing the truth.

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  21. BMG says:

    Also, key, need to eradicate the voter fraud in Oregon.

    Mr. Pence, are you on it? Next stop, 2018 elections.

    At least, give us a wink, a nod, a smile, somethin’, that you got this.

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  22. Steve in Lewes says:

    “First stop, lumber mills. ie U.S. regional impacts, not coincidentally, represented by key Democrat constituents.”
    Kind of another way to “work with” the democrats.
    Take note all you dooms-day naysayers and sometimes/Never Trumpers; “PDJT isn’t doing this, or that, or whatever..”!!!
    There’s more than one way to skin a swamp creature!!

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    • Chuck says:

      I think he is working with the voters, not the actual dems that are currently in power.

      There IS more than one way to skin a swamp creature!

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  23. NJF says:

    More winning! And “I ain’t in no ways tired yet.”

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  24. netfun says:

    I am a third generation Oregon tree farmer and logger. Canada subsidizes logs and lumber for sale to USA. Has been for decades. This affects profits for private timber owners. I was cut off from selling my logs to a local mill (a decade ago) because they had bought cheap Canadian logs to run through their mill. Do not get me started on putting down the US Forest Service. They have mismanaged our resources and caused poverty in rural Oregon. Oregon is poorly served by Sen Wyden, Sen Merkley and gov Brown.

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    • Betty says:

      Thank you for telling us your experience with Canada and the US Forest Service. For so long we have only given news that suits the powers that be. I never knew there was poverty in rural Oregon.

      I called your Senator Widen. But, even though a call or email a message arrives almost immediately, our government is still more protected/isolated from us then the English King and Parliament were from the American Colonists.

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  25. CathyMAGA says:

    Serves Canada right. You can’t send ANYTHING into Canada without the recipient having to pay a tariff on it. ANYTHING. I had an internet gift business for a long time, and I had to find a supplier in CA, because if I shipped A GIFT to CANADA, the recipient would have to pay the tariff…for a gift….

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  26. TwoLaine says:

    Wilbur. One of my favorite swine stories, EVER.

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  27. Smif says:

    Trump is great! Great to be American again. The French need to follow the leaders and stand up for themselves. Soon there will be no Germans left in Germany with the mooslum rapes and killings plus their own rabbit multiplying. Your not ‘islamaphobe’ (word made up by some college liberal democrat loser) just because you do not want to be murdered by 15th century sand people.

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  28. barton2016 says:

    I can already hear Marco Rubio and the rest of the republican scum screaming “trade war!!!”

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  29. TwoLaine says:

    Last night I accidentally happened upon Brit Hume discussing President TRUMP’s Cabinet on Bret Baier’s show. I didn’t stay long, but long enough to hear his SHOCKING evaluation. He GUSHED over the “REMARKABLE CALIBER” that TRUMP picked, to his great surprise, and said that for a 100 day evaluation he tho’t President TRUMP was doing “QUITE WELL”.

    Did anyone feel the earth shift? 😉

    #MAGA

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  30. fleporeblog says:

    This move is fantastic in so many different ways. Not only does it put pressure on congress to finally accept the 90 day letter of intent, it also sends a message to the dairy farmers in Wisconsin that I have your backs. Canada relies heavily on the export of lumber. They will realize quickly that fear-mongering doesn’t work on our Wolverines. In order to rectify this new tariff, they will give in on dairy products. The state of Wisconsin wins and realizes that the best thing they did was vote our Lion in, the state of Oregon and Washington get this temporary win which affirms to them at least our President tried where others did nothing.

    It won’t flip those 2 states in 2020. That was never the objective. It Will solidify Wisconsin in 2020 and beyond. Again, the Rust Belt will eventually start being called the “Trump Belt”. He will own it before leaving office in January 2025! I will never get tired of winning!

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  31. Frank says:

    I never imagined there would come a time when I would care what a commerce secretary does, but here we are. Wilbur Ross is a force of nature. The lowly swamp creatures don’t stand a chance against him, especially not with the rest of the Trump administration working in concert. Good times are coming.

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  32. daughnworks247 says:

    Canadian Lumber imports have been a big problem for years. Canada subsidizes this industry. Americans do not. NAFTA rules mean Canada can then sell their lumber in the USA with no tariffs.
    It wiped out the lumber towns of the northwest, upper Maine, and the southeastern pine.
    It hurts our ability to provide for our own people and remain independent.

    This is usually the modus operandi of China. Once the industry is wiped out in the USA, the government subsidies of China, or in this case Canada, are stopped. We, the USA, have no choice but to pay a higher price because we have no options. Our factories, supply chains, distribution systems, our workers, their skills, are long gone.

    Decisions made by bureaucrats in DC destroyed the lives of thousands of Americans and I guarantee there was a Canadian Lumber lobbying effort involved.

    Then, we hear the excuses – the hard sell. A think tank or a university puts out a study but the outcome is prearranged and, wait for it…….. often paid for by a contribution from the lobbying group. The university claims it’s okay for the lumber workers to be put on entitlements/welfare, because ALL Americans will enjoy lower prices. Of course, we all want lower prices. Lower prices “sounds good” and we don’t think to look further into the study. We go on with our lives, oblivious, trusting our leaders to act in our best interests — but they are not acting in our best interests.

    The study then claims the “free trade” is revenue neutral or beneficial for the USA because lower prices for lumber balance out the money we pay for entitlements to the lumber workers.
    But…..
    The study does not calculate ALL the costs.

    Of course, the “study” completely ignores the human cost of hundreds of thousands of lumber workers losing their jobs, increase in alcohol and drug abuse, suicide, divorce, domestic violence, and the impact on the kids.

    The study ignores the loss of periphery jobs created by other businesses surrounding large lumber mills. loss of restaurants, coffee shops, dry cleaners, the local dog groomer, nail salon, hardware store, dress shops, schools, police and fire departments, local hospitals, the entire infrastructure of a lumber town. PLUS, the banking cost of foreclosure on these properties, the personal loss of net worth, and the loss of municipal property taxes paid as the lumber town turns into a ghost town.

    Those who can pack up and move away often leaving behind land which has been “in the family” for generations but now owned by a faraway bank.

    And the final nail in the coffin – The “study” completely ignores what will happen when Canada STOPS subsidizing their lumber industry and lumber prices from Canada rise for ALL Americans. Note: The Chinese model for destroying an industry usually has a cycle of 20-25 years. Chinese gov’t planning thinks beyond that term, the workers who had the skill are long-retired and the distribution system or the ability to bring a product to market has decayed so much, the American industry they have attacked could never come back.

    So, the next time you hear a pundit on television screaming about “Trump’s plan will raise prices for retail, at Wal-Mart, to the exact people who voted for Trump”……. take heed. This argument is the exact same stance as a fake study/lobbyist/politician/NAFTA trade deal, killing a lumber town.

    This view is short-sighted. This policy only benefits politicians, lobbyists, and large multi-nationals. The studies are not objective and often the funding for the “study” is suspect. The overall policy is bad for America and the Trump administration is seeking to correct the problem.

    Think of long-term planning. Is it really better to pay $10 today but $20 for the rest of your life? Think about your kids or your grandchildren yet to come.
    America is out of whack, off kilter, and we need a major course-correction in trade policy.

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    • lurker99 says:

      At one time Northern Maine had Canadian Logging crews coming in, cutting trees, shipping them back into canada, then milling the wood into dimensional lumber, and finally shipping it back into the USA………..

      I bet there are many people in Maine happy with the decision to go after Irving………..

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    • EternalVigilanc3 says:

      Daughn,
      thankyou for that awesome explanation. I tried explaining this to some friends when discussig big box stores. I wasnt able to sufficiently explain it the way you just did.

      I plan to pass this along. Thnx again

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    • M. Mueller says:

      Daughtern, love this; especially “… often paid for by a contribution from the lobbying group. ” Great, clear explanation. I have saved for future ammunition. Thank you.

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  33. ensitue says:

    Canada is a socialist country, Canadians are taxed to subsidize the attack on US jobs, their lumber is shit but the big box stores buy it cheap so they can pay for ObamaCare taxes. I say we strike a deal: for every 1000 units of lumber the export to us they take in 1000 muslims. Trudie will be thrilled!

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    • free2313 says:

      So basically, you do not want to export any good or services to Canada, just your defected imports from Muslim countries, which America accepted and now wants to discard at a discount…
      Perhaps Canada could also stop the sell of Electricity to its eastern border states, that would help Canadian with cheaper electricity bills.

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      • Bert says:

        British Columbia exports a lot of electricity in the west. The profits of that do actually subsidize the bills of their residents. It does also help manage load fluctuations in the USA as BC have lots of hydro power that allows them to adjust the supply within minutes based on demand. There are some long running treaties (since 1964) about how the Columbia River power generation is shared. I believe that part is actually complied with.

        Trudeau is a major league idiot; but many, many Canadians are switched on and hate what is going on in their country.

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    • Canada for Trump!!!! says:

      You people are delusional, but why try to inject any facts in to this discussion, when Ross and Drumpf have already bought what the corporate lobbyists are selling, hook line and sinker. Canada is 1/10 the size of the US, so expecting us to have no trade surplus with a nation 10x larger only speaks to how stupid you are.

      I say, as a Canadian, I’ve had it up to here with your bullshit American attempts to define “free trade” as anything that is good only for American companies, and to hell with the rest. I say close the US/Canada border, and bar all US goods, services, and companies. Sure our economy will take a it, but then we will be free from the dictatorship of assholes like Americans. You can keep your President Neo-con Hypocrite too, as he backtracks on every election promise one by one.

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  34. barton2016 says:

    LOVE this president!! Wow haven’t ever been able to say that before. I’m 37 years old.

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  35. GiGizMe says:

    Sent from my iPhone

    >

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  36. Bert says:

    Trump to China:
    help us with North Korea & we’ll get you good deals. How about lots of cheaper wood from Canada for starters?

    Media:
    Impossible!

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