President Trump Meets With Healthcare CEO’s In Advance of Congressional Speech…

Today President Donald Trump met with healthcare executives in advance of a repeal and replacement process ongoing for ObamaCare.  It is anticipated that President Trump will outline some of the healthcare measures in his upcoming speech tomorrow night to a joint session of congress.

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173 Responses to President Trump Meets With Healthcare CEO’s In Advance of Congressional Speech…

  1. Paco Loco says:

    Repeal it and get the federal government the hell out of national health insurance. Deregulate medical insurance companies and let people buy health insurance via a competitive market place.

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    • Kenneth blair says:

      I agree completely w/ your position. Americans got along for hundreds of years before the government had to step in. Plus, I don’t recall seeing it specifically included in the Constitution, and in fact the 10th Amendment should preclude gov’t involvement in this.

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      • Paco Loco says:

        Socialized Medicine is all part of the lefts plan to make everyone dependent on the government for health care (and everything else). Its a mess in the UK and in Canada. Long waits to see a doctor and limited treatment options. Trump needs to send it back to the states who can form co-ops with other states. All of the medical records keeping albatross on the backs of medical providers can be swept away as well. Keep it simple stupid.

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        • litlbit2 says:

          I would hope everyone has or are contacting their representatives requesting they get Ryan, McConnell in line with the Trump agenda!

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        • R-C says:

          I’ve said it over and over: “Once your government controls your health care, it controls YOU.”

          Liked by 17 people

        • sadsack says:

          As a Canadian, I agree with your statements.

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        • mike says:

          Medicine more socialized means more stealth programs analogous to T4 and controls that remove important choices. I’ve already dealt with cancer and old age issues in my family. Govt and insurance inspired medical interference was rife and injurious, where most patients won’t survive. Cancer and old age care are pitiful underperformers, and way overpriced in American today.

          Dump the insurance companies and give us our freedom back.

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          • WSB says:

            Yes, insurance companies are just middlemen colluding with healthcare providers to create fake bloated billing.

            I do not need insurance to go to the grocery store or to get my oil changed.

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            • Sentient says:

              Yes! It’s a criminal conspiracy under existing law for providers to issue fake bills and for insurance companies to act as though they’d paid the fake price on our behalf.

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            • filia.aurea says:

              Government health care sucks, so do the Insurance companies. How about the insurance companies pay the bills, and doctors prescribe the care? And government crony capitalists bug off? A novel idea. The groups gathered with the President don’t inspire confidence. Blue Cross, monopolistic, all set to be the single-payer provider. Kaiser Permanente, the HMO kings; selling insurance while limiting insured patients to your in house providers should be illegal, inherent conflict of interest. While I’m on the subject, WordPress also sucks. I just typed up a 2 paragraph comment and it disappeared. Oh well, move on.

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              • WSB says:

                Same kind of day! And well, yes BCBS has to be the worst one. Preset single-payer. They all got caught with their pants down!

                I hope Trump read them ALL the riot act. When I realize that if I had a healthcare savings account, I would have around $110,000 now, rather than BCBS, it makes my blood boil!

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                • filia.aurea says:

                  In NC, I’ve witnessed BCBS screw-over 2 terminally ill cancer patients with no recourse; and when you review their executives’ compensation, it’s sickening.

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                  • WSB says:

                    That’s terrible to hear. I can imagine because I have had my BCBS insurance dropped a and messed up pretty much every year since Obamacare started, and that ‘s not the exchanges, just a single person plan.

                    The savings and security we would all have just makes this all the more criminal.

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                  • filia.aurea says:

                    Yes, I detest BCBS. They have something of a monopoly in NC. One gentleman was a couple of weeks late sending in his premium, BECAUSE he was hospitalized. BCBS cashed his check. On a subsequent visit to the Doctor, he was told his insurance was not in effect. The very next day, in his mail, was a BCBS check refunding his last paid premium. I advised his family not to cash the refund check and open a complaint. I guess the thought of the ensuing rigmarole was too much to face, they chose to not follow-up. I can’t blame them, all circumstances are different. But boy, that tells you all you need know about BCBS, I would love to see them pay for their money-grubbing, underhanded tactics.

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          • singingsoul says:

            I have seen how hospital providers, doctors, insurance and meds clean older people out of all their money and home. Often it is the last 3 to 6 months of their life when they do not get better.Where is the dignity to let people go instead prolonging death into misery.

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        • annieoakley says:

          Just getting rid of the codes and paperwork and thousands of hospital administrators would save billions.

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    • R-C says:

      And, the US Constitution backs up your position. Nowhere in that document is there any authority for the federal government to rule over/mete out health care for the individual.

      The entire monstrosity is unconstitutional, the slimy Chief Justice’s opinion on the matter notwithstanding. –Actually, first he outrageously edited the legislation that was placed before him for judgment, and then he ruled on his own edits. That’s the ONLY way he could rule ‘for’ obamacare. Because…

      …It. Is. Unconstitutional.

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      • Running Fast says:

        Plus it violates common law. The government has no right to tell a private citizen when, where and how they must buy from a private company. The argument that “you will need it” is a big assumption and does not provide merits to the cause.

        Tomorrows address will be interesting for sure.

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      • filia.aurea says:

        I think of Justice Scalia’s outrage….often.

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        What part of the ACA legislation did Justice Roberts “edit?” The only thing I’ve heard of that is remotely like I think you’re referring to is the characterization of the penalty as a tax, which is not really named in the law, but was argued by the government differently, depending on whether they were presenting it in congress (it’s not a tax) or in the courts (it’s not a penalty). Roberts’ opinion/ruling has been grotesquely misinterpreted–the truth is, if you read the clear words of the opinion, that he and the other judges on the court were bound by centuries of precedent to defer to the legislative branch and uphold the action of our elected representatives, if there was any legal basis to do so. There is a statement in Roberts’ opinion to the effect of, “elections have consequences.” The law was and is a bad law, but it was craftily written to barely squeak by constitutional analysis under existing standards that are deferential to the elected representatives of congress and the POTUS. Now if you really want a more activist judiciary that doesn’t defer to our (foolishly and self-destructively) elected representatives, feel free to push for that, but we’d all be a whole lot better off just doing everything we can to get truly representative, non-uniparty reps in office. At least we’ve finally got a POTUS who’s decent.

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        • auntiefran413 says:

          First step: Term limits.

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        • spren says:

          The ACA was passed under auspices of a reconciliation bill so that it could pass by a simple majority. It was initiated in the Senate so it was unConstitutional, as reconciliation or finance bills must originate in the House. Its formulation should have been sufficient to overturn it in the Supreme Court.

          Furthermore, Roberts was on board with Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy until he did an abrupt about-face at the last minute. Those judges were completely blindsided by his change of position. Apparently, Roberts was compromised in some fashion and had to find any shred of a basis for which to allow the legislation to be upheld.

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        • R-C says:

          Nice attempt at ‘spin’ there. I’m not buying it. Roberts is a snake in a black robe.

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          • Maquis says:

            Amen. That DNC talking point tissue-thin defense foisted above could have come out of the Obama WH itself. Everything about that bill was a mendacious mauling of the Constitution and the rights of the American People. Ditto Robert’s pathetic excuse of a “decision,” editing, yes, editing, one single word of the many thousand page document in order to legitimize the utterly illegitimate.

            Elections have consequences. Yes indeed. Elect a Closeted Muslim of uncertain origin that is patently Anti-American and a committed Marxist, and you do indeed get “Consequences.”

            Thank God for DJT.

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        • Yippeekiyay says:

          Here is a link to an article that may answer your questions. As originally passed by congress, Obamacare was intended to be a mandate. It was ruled to be illegal to mandate citizens to buy anything so Roberts changed it to a tax. I don’t recall it ever going back for a vote to make that change. Pretty messed up.

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/07/01/the-supreme-courts-john-roberts-changed-his-obamacare-vote-in-may/#56fbf679d701

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    • Sentient says:

      The federal government should prosecute the lot of them for violations of the Robinson-Patman Act. No additional law is needed. Letting healthcare providers bill patients for $X while colluding (criminally conspiring) with insurance companies to settle the real cost for a fraction of the fake bill removes all price transparency, eliminates the ability of consumers to shop among providers and falsely increases the perceived value of insurance, allowing insurers to charge higher premiums than people would otherwise tolerate.

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      • Spot on! Trump’s plan had Price Transparency and breaking up the Medical Monopolies until Tom Price got a hold of it. Even Rand Paul’s bill has no Price Transparency and he wants to do away with our anti trust laws regarding HealthCare.

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        • repsort says:

          Yep. He had some very promising verbiage on his campaign website regarding this.. It’s all gone now and no mention since the election about it. I’m beginning to think he’s been convinced by somebody to allow this law-breaking to continue. To allow this financial rape of the nation to continue by the HC industry… I’m totally open to, and hoping that, the President proving me wrong on this…

          It’d take a massive set of stones to take this 4 Trillion dollar per year industry on… They suck up 1 of every 5 dollars spent. They are seriously addicted to the colossal grift and it would be seriously disruptive for a time if he were to enforce the laws and cut them down to size..

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      • repsort says:

        YES! Thank you!

        Doesn’t look like the President is interested in enforcing consumer protection laws against the medical community though. Am I wrong?

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    • Bob says:

      Remember, it wasn’t a healthcare program to begin with…it was a control the people program. Many didn’t see it coming and many still have an incorrect perception of what is needed to repeal it. People on medicare are railing that they are going to be without insurance, when Obamacare has nothing to do with medicare.

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    • Daniel says:

      I would go further than that. There are technologies out there today which are in many ways more complex than medical technology which do no require such incredible regulation and licensing. That medical care has become as advanced as it has is not due to the restrictions and requirements which have been placed on it by government and by extension, the American Medical Association. I would say get the government out of ALL of our business.

      It seems hard to imagine trusting people to do their jobs well but we do it a lot more often than we realize. He hop onto highways and travel at ridiculous speeds inside of equipment that kills a lot of people. If they were truly interested in saving lives, they would go into that quite a bit more… but then against we wouldn’t have so many cool cars on the roads.

      People would learn to better take care of themselves and people with talent would rise to the top instead of well funded people who just want to get rich being a doctor or nurse. The system is expensive because it’s expensive to enter the industry in the first place.

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    • TPW says:

      after they have tasted those higher premiums does any one expect them to substantially lower premiums even if it is warranted?……We have now lowered your premium from $1850 a month for you 2 to $1200 …….aren’t you thrilled? Well NoOOO……..I can’t even afford $400 a month…….The good news Mr and Mrs X you don’t have to buy it……..

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    • kinthenorthwest says:

      Problem is that Obamacare has already so totally screwed up medical care and medical insurance for practically everyone that was not on some type of state/federally paid insurance, including medicare.

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      • singingsoul says:

        The University my husband worked for had a top notch healthcare plan. Under Obama the university was to pay millions in benefit because of the health plane. This year they made professors pay more and less coverage. People are not happy I hear.
        This is hard for young people with children.

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    • freddiel says:

      I also agree. They can issue vouchers for the poor and they can use those to buy their own plans. That would help keep costs down for the rest of us.

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  2. Pam says:

    President Trump is right. If the ACA was allowed to implode, it would be disastrous for the dems but something needs to be done ASAP. He’s going to have to keep the pressure on the UNIparty because this issue is without a doubt a big priority.

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    • maiingankwe says:

      Pam,
      I would like to think if I was a democratic legislator and had been listening to this my hopes would rise for the American people and especially my constituents. I would be jumping to the head of the line to get this done.

      It just makes so much sense whereas the aca is a complete and utter failure and disservice to every American. Anyone who is honest with themselves has to conclude this. Unfortunately, the word honest is not in many of our politicians vocabulary. I would be naive to think so.

      It just really troubles me, and I know I have a lot naivety within, but it still really bothers me that so many are running in front of the cameras and lying to all of us by claiming this will screw up the 20 million people it has supposedly helped. How do they know this before they’ve even seen the new proposal? How many of us have been royally screwed by the aca already? We certainly don’t hear those numbers.

      Hopefully, people will wake up to the outright lies and see them for what they are, money hungry schills whose real interests are not in our best interest.

      I do love our President Trump, and it will never get old watching him make America great again. These clips have me smiling from ear-to-ear every time.

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      • mztore says:

        I’m with you. I also love our President Trump. What the sheets are screaming about is the fact that it doesn’t cost them anything, and they are afraid they will have to pay to take their little sniffling child to the doctor instead of it being free….in other words instead of you having to pay for that un-needed doctor visit.

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        • LKA in LA says:

          Yes people have been made to feel like healthcare is a right and it is not. The insurance companies are also afraid you are going to find out that you have been paying for all the illegials healthcare. Plus those who refuse to to pay but could. All the sniffeling kids have ipads.

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          • TPW says:

            Sorry…….”people have been made to feel that healthcare is a right” when our Govt representatives have been bribed by all these healthcare, drug companies, doctors and hospitals……..and were allowed favorable legislation that priced the poor, middle class out of the market then I have to disagree with you. We have a right to affordable healthcare ……..

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            • singingsoul says:

              The whole healthcare will be fair when everyone Congress included have the same healthcare not one set for middle class and one set for government employees.
              In Germany they have universal healthcare but government employees can opt out and can be in a private insurance. Private insurance is excellent.

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      • auntiefran413 says:

        “I would like to think if I was a democratic legislator and had been listening to this my hopes would rise for the American people and especially my constituents. ”

        The problem is that they do NOT listen to their constituents. They listen to the NWO party bosses!

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  3. Sure is funny to hear all those GOPes who campaigned and barked about “repealing and replacing” Obamacare all during the Primaries.

    Now many are whistling a completely different tune that is quite the opposite.

    DRAIN THE SWAMP

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  4. Pam says:

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    • Howie says:

      There is no health insurance and those are not health insurance CEO’s. Obamacare is not insurance. It is a scheme.

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    • R-C says:

      And with this meeting, President Trump is signaling that he will not be dissuaded. He’s sending the message that obamacare is going down, whether the globalist fools like it, or not.

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    • Sentient says:

      Insurance companies don’t “provide healthcare”. They skim money that’s going to healthcare providers. Very little of what they do is actual insurance for catastrophic, unexpected expenses. Whether insurance companies or the government is more efficient in the aggregate at paying medical bills is not clear. Supposedly Canada spends less on healthcare than we do. The biggest company in my state is United Health Group and arguably their “product” is nothing. I don’t want the government running any industry, but it would probably be better to have Single Payer than to allow continuation of the current conspiracy between insurers and providers.

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      • Howie says:

        No to single payer. They will control every move you make as a ‘risk factor.’

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      • Dennis Leonard says:

        Well that is one way of saying the same thing,no we do not want single payer,
        ” Supposedly Canada spends less on healthcare than we do. The biggest company in my state is United Health Group and arguably their “product” is nothing. I don’t want the government running any industry, but it would probably be better to have Single Payer than to allow continuation of the current conspiracy between insurers and providers.”

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        The only “single payer” system I want to see is the one where every single person pays for their own healthcare. If you want to band together with others to defray healthcare costs, like some Christian groups have organized to do, fine, but nothing mandated and the individual remains responsible. Just like the rule that made Jamestown a successful colony–“If you don’t work, you don’t eat [get housing, healthcare, education, recreation, etc.]! Maybe harsh for some, but if natural selection were allowed to run its course on a lot of the snowflakes and entitlement/victim whiners, there would be a whole lot fewer of them.

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        • Sentient says:

          When you “pay for your own healthcare” do you want to pay the $28,000 invoice that the hospital sends you or the $7,000 that they collect as payment in full if you have insurance? if you’re a cash buyer, you’re obligated to pay the full, FAKE bill unless the hospital reduces it out of the goodness of their heart. And if the services were something that you needed on the spot (as they often are), you don’t have the ability to shop around or travel to that cheap cash clinic in Oklahoma. I don’t want Single Payer either, but it’d be better than allowing the CRIMINAL FRAUD that we have now to continue.

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      • annieoakley says:

        VA is single payer and it is worse than United Health Care.

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    • Ploni says:

      These men have nothing to do with health.

      They manage a legalized Ponzi scheme that delivers profit margins unavailable in any other legal enterprise.

      They’ll pay out only if they have to.

      (I’ll never forget the dying guy in the Marxist Michael Moore’s “Sicko” who sought out the CEO of his HMO to deliver an invitation to his funeral.)

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  5. Pam says:

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    • mimbler says:

      I noticed he said both sides are doing it because “there’s no reason to believe everybody is not doing it”

      Typically conservatives don’t play dirty like the libs so there is a reason to believe both sides don’t do it.

      Plus, he couldn’t have done this study without noting if conservatives were paid to post bashing O’care. I suspect he knows only the left does it, and tried the usual dem approach of “everybody does it”.

      Otherwise, he would have given a concrete example of where the conservatives are doing it. I get so tired of reporters tossing off unsupported criticisms of the right,
      Mike

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  6. mazziflol says:

    Surely someone has a copy of the bill the Republicans dropped on Obama’s desk that was vetoed…I dare them… Resubmit it and see what happens.

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    • mimbler says:

      I suspect it was just a repeal, and had no replacement. I know replacing it is not terribly popular, but millions of people were dropped from their employment insurance and forced to go on Obamacare.

      Many, many of those had or have developed existing conditions which would preclude them getting insurance through no fault of their own.

      I think we owe it to those people to figure out a solution for them before cutting the cord on the Obamacare they were forced to.

      I am furious with the GOPe that had nearly 8 years to have a fully thought out bill, but apparently were just shining us on, assuming their repeal bills would always be vetoed.

      No wonder so many of them were hoping Hilliary would be elected, and allow them to go on making empty bluster for their next re-election.
      Mike

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      • rf121 says:

        “Many, many of those had or have developed existing conditions which would preclude them getting insurance through no fault of their own”. Actually when the truth finally comes out, I would say about 80% of health issues are our fault. Well to the extent we have been following the government recommended guidelines.

        We eat poorly, drink alcohol, drugs (legal or illegal), smoke and generally do a poor job of taking care of ourselves. All big pharma and medicine does is put people on the never ending treadmill of describing symptoms that get treated with a medication that cures nothing. That don’t make money if they cure you.

        If you get “sick” you are better off not eating and drink water for a week. Your body will actually cure you vice putting you on the treadmill.

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        • Sloth1963 says:

          Unless you are like me without functional kidneys in which case your prescription will just kill you. I hate to say it because I love water.

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        • I have to disagree. Someone who has seizures in which the cause is unknown (10% of all cases nationwide), need to have some type of coverage. Some can only take the brand name medication because the swing in amounts of the medication in generics is too wide for their bodies to handle. Those brand names cost on average of $800.00 for 30 pills.

          For example, the teen who develops seizures during puberty that never really go away? They need this medication for the rest of their lives.

          What do you propose they do? how is this their fault?

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        • Fe says:

          I have constant pain from nerve damage for the past 2-1/2 yrs and Hypo-thyroid since age 11. Drinking water for a week ain’t gonna cure that for me.

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      • E C says:

        Just because it wasn’t right for the government to force socialized medicine on us, doesn’t mean you wipe your hands and walk away. A number of people were harmed by the government, it’s up to the government to repair the harm.

        This bill that is law needs to be unraveled like Christmas lights. Patiently, knot by knot.

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  7. jeans2nd says:

    “despite the GOP claims to the contrary, they never actually do anything to stop the liberal policy agenda…The GOP has NO INTENTION of removing ObamaCare”

    Today – “President Trump Meets With Healthcare CEO’s In Advance of Congressional Speech…” https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/27/president-trump-meets-with-healthcare-ceos-in-advance-of-congressional-speech/

    Well done, CTH.

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  8. Alison says:

    They MUST require gov’t employees to participate in same insurance program they thrust on us. If that’s not possible because of way compensation packages are structured, they can still do two things:

    Require President, VP and EVERY current/future Congressman & Senator to participate in same plan regardless of how that immediately impacts their benefits structure.

    Restructure govt employee compensation packages & require ALL new hires to participate in same plan we have. It is NOT rocket science to calculate an equivalent salary/benefits package in order to ‘fairly’ pay new hires.

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    • Howie says:

      Open the Federal Health Insurance Plan to everyone. Simple.

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    • R-C says:

      Or, simply cancel the entire mess, entirely. (In my opinion, this solution is much more simple-and CONSTITUTIONAL.)

      Repeal obamacare. And do NOT ‘replace’. Remove the governmentally mandated impediments on purchasing health care across state lines, and get out of the way.

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      • Linda says:

        Exactly! Before Obamacare, I had good health insurance I paid $175 a month for. After Ocare, the price went up to $525 per month with less coverage and a higher deductible. Because of the economic crash of 2008, I couldn’t afford it, so I didn’t have health care coverage for years. I finally realized that I qualified for VA health care, so that’s all I have now. I have a big suspicion that more people now don’t have health care than did before.

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      • Orygun says:

        Exactly, the insurance companies will have to woo subscribers back and we will see some competition come alive. The health insurance companies won’t survive long without subscribers and they will be aggressively going after your dollars.
        Just dump ACA and most states already have their own high risk programs.

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      • DGinGA says:

        That, and initiate tort reform to keep the malpractice lawyers out of the doctors’ offices.

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    • Windy Day says:

      Yes, I’ve suggested this several times to President Trump (i.e., that Congress be made to abide by the same laws that we have to abide by). Have you suggested it to him as well? (I’m pretty sure he’s not going to wade through the comments here and see it!)

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  9. Wolfgang says:

    A Brief History of ObamaCare…

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  10. Athena the Warrior says:

    Paul and Mitch have no idea who they are dealing with.

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  11. R-C says:

    Oh, and that gem of a question from the reporter at the end:

    “Mr. President, do you support a special prosecutor on Russia?”

    Beat that drum, girl, beat that drum until your fingers bleed. (Eyes rolling here.)

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  12. Kathy says:

    MONEY DIVERTED FROM LOW-INCOME HOUSING TO KEEP OBAMACARE ALIVE
    2/27/2017 InfoWars article by Jerome Corsi

    http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-obama-illegally-robbed-fannie-freddie-to-fund-obamacare/

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  13. fleporeblog says:

    Obamacare was setup to fail bigly by 2017 and more so in 2018. President Trump is 100% correct when he states that fact. The plan was for HRC to take the country into a single payer system.

    As much as the CoC and the Uniparty want to hold onto Obamacare, they can’t. The fact that the very first EO signed by our President was for federal agencies to look out for the interest of the people over the government when it comes to enforcing Obamacare regulations was a massive dagger in its side. On February 3rd, the IRS said it will process all tax returns that leave the healthcare box empty. That means Americans are no longer having to pay that tax. That is a lot of revenue that the government will lose. As our President stated, 20 million people rather pay the penalty than participate in Obamacare. Now those 20 million no longer have to concern themselves with the penalty. Two of the CEOs went on record and thank him for doing so.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LggTvtz59ho Judge Andrew Napolitano discussing the first EO on Obamacare.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/irs-obamacare-1040-tax-form-change-trump-order-2017-2

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/02/16/irs-softens-on-obamacare-reporting-requirements-after-trump-executive-order/#6203bdada3cb

    Aetna and Humana came out 2 or so weeks ago and declared that the ACA was on its death spiral. Both were present today. One of the two is leaving it this year and the other is seriously considering leaving it in 2018. There is no way in hell that our President will throw any additional money at it. What an amazing stat our President shared when stating 1 in 3 counties only have 1 insurer. Nearly half have stopped participating in the program.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/aetna-humana-drop-merger-bid-234989

    http://insiderlouisville.com/business/aetna-still-weighing-options-in-humana-merger-case-says-obamacare-losses-worsening/

    With all that said, the Uniparty has no choice but to repeal and replace it. Once they allow folks to buy across state lines, competition will cause prices to come down. Once more and more Americans find full time jobs with healthcare, less and less Americans will need government health coverage.

    Because of what I shared above and the fact our President doesn’t need the CoC or anyone else to write the legislation and will have his folks take care of it, there is absolutely nothing and I mean nothing the Uniparty can do from stopping it!

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    • I cannot see how this allowance to purchase insurance across state lines is going to do anything.

      Each state has an insurance commissioner that approves policies in his/her state. Ànd this works because local economies are different. As example, cost of living is about 3 times higher in NYC as in Springfield, MO and this includes healthcare.

      So, the idea is that people in NYC are now allowed to get on the Web and buy a policy from a broker in Springfield MO and he will pay a third less in premiums, right?

      NO! LOL……..That premium is lower there because healthcare costs are lower there. No insurance company is going to charge you MO rates but pay out claims at NYC rates, they would be broke in a very short time……..

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    • thesavvyinvester says:

      fleporeblog. No they can’t stop it. An in an interesting twist that their will be no changes to Medicare / caid they will be preserved, well maybe preserved with a twist. One of PDJT’s 1st executive orders was to give states leeway to experiment with these (two ?) systems. At a recent Tea Party meeting a local rep who is big on Direct Primary Care noted this fact. While these programs may not change in theory at the Federal Level, giving states the ability to allow an HSA type plan that would also allow for payment of Direct Primary Care has the potential of savings that I don’t want to type, the low ball number is 20 to 30% savings, the real number is much greater. If these two are “fixed” at the state level. can you imagine the impact on the Federal Budget, in terms of getting these two out spiral mode? It is mind boggling. Simple changes to SSI such as investing in real Treasury Bill, Bonds and Notes rather than the IOU’s they are using now might give that program some breathing room. My question is can it be done via Treasury without Congresses consent…

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  14. Bob Thoms says:

    Trump needs to take the GOP leaders to the woodshed; they should have a repeal bill on his desk Day 2, with a time table for replacement.

    Instead, we are Day 40 and neither repeal or replace anytime soon.

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  15. Phil aka Felipe says:

    Too many middlemen and dead weight in both the Healthcare Industry AND Education.

    In Healthcare it is bureaucracy in both the Insurance companies and government regulators.
    In Education it is bureaucracy/teachers unions monopoly.

    Solution for both: Vouchers

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    • PAF, please reconsider vouchers for education.
      Can you think of a better way to get federal dollars into the private school system we have now? Sure has worked out well for the public school system.
      With federal dollars, comes strings, y’know. Best solution and the most constitutional is to abolish the department completely…today. With federal dollars cut off, so-called “independent school districts” and the unions will be screaming bloody murder that the world is coming to an end.

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      • kintheNW – if you retire on SS you will automatically receive Medicare Part A. If you want hosptial coverage, you have to get Medicare Part B. If you wait a few years to get Part B, you will have to pay a “penalty,” but you will still get both A and B.
        These cover just about any medical issue that might arise. I didn’t get medical care for years, but now that I need some, the Medicare insurance is adequate. Yes, I have to pay a little bit for each service and I now have to meet a “deductible,” but since that is about $200 (!), that’s not bad. Plus, you get to deduct all that stuff from your Income Taxes if you get sick enough.
        I was upset the year I didn’t get to deduct medical expenses until I realized, “But that’s a good thing! You didn’t get sick!!”

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    • laurelmarycecilia says:

      where in the Constitution does the government get the responsibility for health or education. I say stay outta both !! Is this a ‘perfect’ solution? Of course not; nothing is perfect. But the more government does for you the more government will control you. Additionally, government ‘help’ changes the psychological makeup of an independent thinking, self-reliant person into a passive, gimme more personality.

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      • AmericaFirst says:

        This is beautifully stated. Remember, the government that is big enough to give you everything is also big enough to take away everything. Although for political reasons I would have liked to see the Unaffordable Care Act finish imploding on its own before anything was done about it legislatively, since my understanding is that it began with 23 companies, and last I heard was down to 4-5, with at least one more pulling out next year. It is obvious that it is on life support, even with stealing money from Medicare.

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  16. yadent says:

    Last fiscal year the US Federal Government spent 1.417 TRILLION dollars on healthcare excluding the VA. That is an increase of 9.3% over the previous year. For at least the last 10+ years the annual growth in healthcare spending at the Federal level has averaged 8-9% increase EVERY year. Simple math should tell all that with that kind of growth the Federal budget will implode within the next 4-5 years. It’s not an insurance problem, it’s a healthcare cost problem. The medical industry (along with the education industry) is virtually immune from any antitrust law. Why is that? Why did Senator Rand Paul recently introduce legislation that would ‘officially’ grant the medical industry legal protection from such law? Unless the cost of care is effectively dealt with it won’t matter what kind of ‘plan’ is put into place. Math doesn’t give a tinker’s damn……..

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    • Somebody says:

      ^^THIS^^

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      • Exploding costs are a System problem. The System does not require the user to pay for the service (current “co-pays” and “deductibles” aside.)

        Billers (doctors, nurses, drug companies) and Payers (govt welfare programs and insurance companies) BOTH benefit when costs go up.

        Why do you think we have such YUGE medical building complexes? And such YUGE insurance company building complexes? Because each side builds in a little on the side to cover contingencies. That “little” amount adds up to Trillions of dollars!

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  17. John says:

    Trump indicated earlier that he may be open to more out-of-the-box style thinking and I’m hoping that is true. I doubt this will happen anytime soon, but I’d like to see development of Artificial Intelligence as an aid to health care professionals which could create an alternative, much cheaper option of obtaining diagnoses and prescriptions from some health care professionals below the level of MD or DO or even nurse practitioners, and that could be done at home over one’s computer through Skype or something similar. Some prescriptions may require an actual visit to the health practitioner, but maybe most of them wouldn’t. So much of the cost seems entirely unnecessary.

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  18. Paco Loco says:

    We need an across the board Reduction in Force of the Federal agencies. Downsize it and change the civil service so that workers can get fired. Now it’s “once your in, your in for life”. That’s BS. I’m also for terminating the 17th amendment and electing the Senate from the various state government assemblies. This would “localize” the corruption and States could deal with the integrity of the office holders. Clearly, The smaller the Federal government is, the better for the Republic and states rights.

    The biggest change needed is to get rid of the Federal Reserve, and debt banking. The whole shebang is one big scam and has to be replaced with sound money backed by gold. What we have now is a pending bankruptcy of the US because the 20 trillion in debt can never be repaid. The PTB will soon tank the stock market on orders from the deep state, send the economy back into recession as they are desperate to hurt Trump. The US is riding on vapors and “Katy bar the door”.

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    • So true, PL……Gold is such an economic stability factor over time.

      In the Bible days, an ounce of gold would buy a person a nice tunic and a high end pair of sandals. Today, an ounce will buy a man a quality Armini suit and a nice pair of wingtips.

      That is stability……..

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      • There is NO way we can avoid debt banking. Gold standard has nothing to do with it. As soon as the govt goes into debt, they issue “Promises to Pay” that debt back in gold … sometime. Right now they are promising to pay in paper, something my DDH thought was hilarious.

        Also, most of our economy is now on “electrons” – credit cards (whether paid off every month or not), automatic bill pay, and other forms of electronic banking.

        The PTB have no control over the market whatsoever. Yes, they can “tweak,” cause major to minor runups or drops in prices, but the market controls the market. The market is a complex mechanism – almost as complicated as the human body. Only major govt interference in market components – money, industry, rule of law, etc. will “tank the market.”

        So, stop worrying everyone. Our Pres. Trump’s got this!

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    • AmericaFirst says:

      So many things need done just to give us a small chance at continuing as a representative Republic that it doesn’t seem like 8 years is going to be enough for President Trump.

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  19. Marygrace Powers says:

    Saul Alinsky – Obama, Healthcare, and the Creation of Socialism/

    How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky/

    “There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

    1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people

    2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)

    6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.

    7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools

    8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.”

    Does any of this sound familiar?

    http://clowardandpiven.com/saul-alinsky-obama-healthcare-and-the-creation-of-socialism/

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  20. Ann says:

    X = Patients in need of medical professional services.
    Y = Medical professionals.
    Z = Payment to the medical professionals.

    Prior to the 20th century Z was worked out between X and Y. The relationship between X and Y was the full scope of “healthcare” .

    Now: Z = insurance companies (pooled $). And, Government programs like Medicare and Medicaid (tax $).

    Maybe Z should transition into the banking system, folding Health Insurance with as many of their employees that can be sustained into the financial market. Bank of America became dovetailed with the Government in Unemployment Insurance with B of A EBIT cards loaded with dollar amounts depending on the individual.

    So for poor who can’t afford, keep Medicaid (ObamaCare) with their variant subsidized levels based on income, figure out something similar to unemployment benefits EBIT card so MDs get paid quickly and fairly.

    Insurance Co. have made life TOO complicated and expensive for Doctors; they dominate in importance OVER Doctors and Nurses. Coding employment which exist for the purpose of payments made to doctors, in many cases earn MORE than health care providers. The Insurance Co. model Z need to go away. It has become a self-interested, self-perpetuating Frankenstein beholden to stock holders, CEOs, and Board-members. While many Doctors (due to Obama’s cyber-records regulations) do not even look at patients in the eyes, forced spend their entire 10-minute appointment typing on a keyboard and looking at a computer screen.

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    • 4bleu says:

      “many Doctors (due to Obama’s cyber-records regulations) do not even look at patients in the eyes, forced spend their entire 10-minute appointment typing on a keyboard and looking at a computer screen.”

      Boy howdy is that right. It’s bizarre. They’re glued to the machine. The computer demands for nit-picking trivia are more important than the human patient. It also allows mediocre medical professionals to get diplomas as they use the computer as a crutch on diagnosis, not learning it for themselves. In those cases, they put so much unnecessary info in that they can’t distinguish what’s relevant and what’s not to making a solid diagnosis. The decline in astuteness is noticeable.

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      • fred5678 says:

        SO TRUE!! On a visit to a cardiologist, his eyes were buried in the computer display of records and his partner’s 3-page write up of my x-rays and stress test, and was arguing with me about what was done!!! He finally had to admit that I was right and that I remembered details from the report that he missed when reading it as he was arguing with me!!

        Doctors are overwhelmed with paperwork and forget that the focus should be the patient.

        NEVER go into a hospital without your own personal ombudsman!!!!

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  21. 4bleu says:

    This isn’t being mentioned – Obamacare also nationalised student loans – students don’t go through banks to get loans, but through a Dept of Education monopoly. Billions in revenue through one operator instead of letting banks handle it. One would think that the Dept of Ed wouldn’t need any additional funding with that income stream running through it.

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    • thesavvyinvester says:

      What also isn’t mentioned was the destruction of catastrophic care low cost policies that a collegiate student could purchase. This was by design, again more destruction of “contract law” into a one size fits all model. Obama couldn’t have these plans, we were all Sheppard into the Qualified Plan’s with all bells and whistles and only the Gold, Silver and Bronze Options. Worse, he cost shifted these kids to the parents Employers. No one is asking what it is costing them. That in itself is a story worthy of a Pulitzer if some reporter wants to run with it…

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  22. Sentient says:

    President Trump ran on – among other things – requiring “price transparency” and allowing pharmaceutical reimportation. These were points 5 &7 of his healthcare proposals. They were taken down from the campaign website, but thankfully they’re archived here: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/HCReformPaper.pdf. See points 5 & 7.

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  23. fred5678 says:

    How refreshing – rewarding people with a photo op in the Oval Office instead of an overnight in the Lincoln Bedroom.

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  24. Howie says:

    The Republicans do not like being a majority. They like to be the minority, Whine about democrats, and get their share of the loot. The minority is their natural habitat in the swamp.

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    • Arjun says:

      Just role reversals every 4-8 years. Over Obama’s 8 years, current set of RINOs had such disregard for their base, they allowed themselves to compromised beyond a point of no return.

      Now they are stuck between a rock (donors) and a hard place (base, Trump, power).

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      • I’m not sure about that Howie and Arjun. Ryan and McConnell seem to be beginning to enjoy their new prestigious, powerful positions. And no doubt our Pres. Trump never lets them forget who got them there!
        But, sadly, they all DO have to work together to get necessary legislation passed. The clip of the two guys above tells me that they are coming along nicely. Not as fast as we’d like, of course, but they are getting there. Taking out the lumps, Pence, Priebus… all are doing their parts to get things moving..

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  25. Pam says:

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    • fred5678 says:

      Can we let Democrats stay on Obamacare and let it implode while Republicans go back to a new pre-ObamaCare-style health insurance system?? Can we build a “wall” between the two systems??

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  26. CaptainNonno says:

    I’m not sure what commenters in this thread want. Don’t want the govmnt, ok get that, but insurers.? They offer plan choices and pricing: HMO’s offer lower cost but restrictions on providers OR PPO at higher cost and you use almost any provider. Or self insure, shop around for services and catastrophic coverage only. What’s wrong with these? You can’t expect them to be non-profit but competition keeps them more honest. Government is either a greased spoon allowing unlimited service and cost or a hammer that fixes price causing service to decline. Govmnt should be out of this business except to track quality standards and maybe cost tracking.

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  30. paulraven1 says:

    First question out of their filthy mouths after the presentation, “do you support a special prosecutor for Russia?” What the hell does that even mean?

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    • AmericaFirst says:

      It means that they know that if they simply put the words out there enough, the lo-fos will believe that there is a there there. Hence the repetition of a total fabrication.

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  31. MaineCoon says:

    President Trump’s key phrase to me was “if things don’t work out I’m blaming you anyway”. The group is the major insurers. They are part of the problem and necessary for the solution. They are interacting yesterday, today & will hear PDJT’s Tuesday speech to Congress, which SD says will probably include healthcare.

    PDJT has outlined expectations. Work it out. Be a part of the solution or be blamed.

    Easy plan to understand. We’ll see if these major insurers’ CEOs get on board.

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  32. MVW says:

    Ok, nice to work out a plan to provide health care at a lower cost. One problem. The whole industry is an abject failure. Complete failure. Here’s why. The result of this system is that 50% of all Americans have one or more chronic disease and 25% have two or more chronic diseases.

    Why? Well, we practice 20th century medicine which is based on suppressing the immune system. Feel better care means suppressing the immune system. Pain management always means suppressing the immune system. This is known. This is not news.

    In the 21st century, that’s now, the Microbiome was discovered. Not heard of it? Basically, most bacteria in the body can’t be cultured and is difficult to see, many bacteria require an electron microscope to see and many bacteria are so small they pass right through a viral filter.

    How do we know they populate the body’s blood, tissue, organs, spinal fluid, brain, bone marrow, immune cells, and commonly populate cells themselves. Answer, the NHI started a project to characterize known bacteria by their DNA. Lo and behold, using modern forensic techniques, the signature of the DNA characterized bacteria were found in all of the above places.

    The point is that suppressing the immune system means the Microbiome can proliferate in people who suppress their immune system and when the whole country is engaging in it, well surprise, surprise. Chronic disease on an industrial scale.

    Ask your doctor where the Microbiome is and he will tell you about the GI tract, but not the brain, bone marrow, blood, etc. The Microbiome in the whole body is not talked about outside of research because no one knows how to measure how bad it is or what it is doing. Simple fact. It is the bugaboo researchers whisper about.

    It is the modern story of bad news is best ignored, put in a closet for the next 20 years. Maybe it will go away. And it is good for business… Man is it lucrative treating disease with palliatives. $Trillions in guaranteed repeat business. Anyone think this problem won’t grow?

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1559325816688527

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  33. SeekerOfTruth says:

    1) Obamacare was ruled a tax by the Supreme Court and must be considered in any overall tax load plan. Trump people have said an Obamacare repeal and replacement bill must be presented before tax bill presented.

    I do not think they state specifically that tax bill will not be presented until Obamacare bill is completely passed. I personally think it will be a two step graduated repeal of Obamacare as they start up the new system and submit a tax plan.

    2) For example there are some easy tax and penalty related items in Obamacare they can remove right away using Budget reconciliation process and only need simple majority in both House and Senate. The House has passed this bill 2-3 years in a row but never went anywhere because of veto threat by Obama so Senate never took up the bill.

    But now they need to get it through to Trump to sign to wipe out anything that is easy to repeal. This can be done quickly. The House already has this bill in the hopper and all budget related bills must start in the House. Then Senate simple majority to pass and Trump sign.

    Then there are some parts that need a more full Senate approval and will be harder.
    But part 2 above – the tax and penalty parts can do the following gutting much of Obamacare.
    –eliminates insurance mandates for individuals,
    –eliminates insurance mandates for companies,
    –eliminates penalties for not having insurance (notice that check box is no longer on tax forms to say you have insurance. So action already in place because they cannot track you now if you do not have insurance.)
    –eliminates medical device taxes
    –eliminates penalties for Cadillac plans.

    So anything dealing with MONEY tax of penalties can be eliminated easily using budget reconciliation and simple majority vote in both House and Senate. Trump sign.

    3) Then Leverage is needed to get them to actually do something on Obamacare so the tax plan is being stalled a little and used as a bargaining chip to get them off their 3 years butts and get the bill through the Senate. They ware to afraid to pass in Senate and have Obama veto.

    4) After part 2 above budget reconciliation tax part of Obamacare is repealed, then they will present the formal tax plan and also work on the final repeal of Obamacare.

    Bottom line:
    1) They must get passage of repealing the tax and penalty parts of Obamacare.
    2) Submit tax plan.
    3) Submit final repeal of the remaining parts of Obamacare. Even if this is not passed and repealed it will at this point completely die on its own as a new setup comes online.
    4) Paul Ryan’s donors really really want the Corporate tax rate reduction. So to get Ryan off his butt, Trump is forcing him to move Obamacare repealing bills along first. Never give the mouse the cheese first.

    long read. thanks for reading.
    Seeker,

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    • Chuck says:

      3) Submit final repeal of the remaining parts of Obamacare. Even if this is not passed and repealed it will at this point completely die on its own as a new setup comes online.

      If every part of this is not repealed it isn’t dead. Every word has to go

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  34. E C says:

    I was told by my insurance agent the reason the homeowners, auto, etc went up was because the insurance companies were spreading the healthcare risk amongst their other products. I don’t know if that is a wide known tidbit.

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    • My Dad (WW II Marine vet w/Purple Heart) always hated insurance companies. I used to hate the just because he did. Now I hate them for the reasons he did – a business model that benefits when their clients get sick, or have an accident, or die.

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  35. Ploni says:

    To continue with my medical vent, the AMA and other medical groups are in collusion with the state legislatures, the state boards of medical examiners, and the nation’s medical schools to limit the number of applicants who get accepted to become doctors.

    This way, the AMA and its friends can micro-manage the country’s physician population every few years, thus keeping competition down and pricing of medical services up.

    All in the name of governmental protection, licensing, professional integrity, etc.

    And they don’t think that we’ve caught on.

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  36. the5thranchhand says:

    Normally the average person would never, ever, bet against himself/herself. However, when you buy insurance, of any kind, that is exactly what you are doing. (i.e. betting you are going to be sick, have a catastrophe, etc., etc.!!! Isn’t this world screwed up???? Didn’t the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob say, ‘MY ways are higher that your ways’? And, ‘Is there anything too difficult for ME’?

    Oy vey!

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  37. Farmon says:

    I mentioned here last night: My health care solution of choice is a health care sharing ministry that goes by the initials SM. Check it out. It works. I underline the comments of at least a dozen Treepers before me here: Get the government out of health care. We don’t need no federal stinkin’ health care.

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  38. Phoenix says:

    Uphold USC 15 Chapter 1 laws which have existed more than 100 years. No legislative action required just an E.O. to remind gov workers to do job.

    Insurance other than catastrophic coverage is a distraction, better yet, a red herring so the people will not address actual problem which is the ongoing law breaking by entire medical industry.

    The medical industry is not exempt from laws covering collusion, deceptive pricing, monopolistic and unfair trade.

    Apply these laws and remove need for middleman.

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